You are talking about a surgery that violates the standards and ethics used in all other surgeries. It also violates the Human Rights of the boy.This is something that is a personal matter and as such should be left up to the boy. It's HIS body and only HE should make the choice. In other parts of the world, men(who HAVE the choice) usually choose NOT to have the most sensitive part of their anatomy removed.
Lord Robert Winston (biologist) on an episode of "The Human Body" He wasn't promoting circumcision. In fact it wasn't even discussing it. Just stated that about 10% of males cannot fully retract their 'fs to various degrees, some at all, some to the full extent. Not I am not arguing for circumcision based on solely on that.
"Just stated that about 10% of males cannot fully retract their 'fs to various degrees" So, your idea of scientific fact is a statement from some "expert"--who did not even supply the source for his statement--THIS is what you consider SCIENTIFIC FACTS???????
@1TheLoneWolf1 Winston is a legit MD with very impressive credentials. However he is also traditional Jew raised in the orthodox tradition which does not solidify the idea that he is neutral towards infant circumcision. In fact one could make a case that his religous beliefs possibly sqew his rational concerning infant circumcision. As a general rule any practicing Jew who is an MD who is a staunch advocate of circumcision deserves increased scrutiny of thier pro circ claims.
@1TheLoneWolf1 Furthermore, if Winston did not qaulify his claim by specifically stating 10% of ADULT males, his claims are immediately suspect as until the age of 16-18 not being able to fully retract the foreskin is often not a pathalogical condition. Van Howe's article in the AAP Journal on the cost effectivness of circumcision to treat phimosis cites several studies that make Winstons claims very suspect. One large sample study put the rate of true phimosis at 1/1000
@trident3b Just as I expected, you rejected the overwhelming scientic research which proved my point. Suggesting that it was biased simply because supported circumcision. Only when you circ trolls find scientific research which benefits your argument, it's suddenly unbiased and "fact" Another reason why I won't bother debating you anymore. What's the point, when you'll believe your delusions regardless?
You keep claiming your assertions are scientific facts, but where have you even given a study to back your specious claims so they can be debated... nothing but empty claims!
"The study authors note that the rates of neonatal circumcision complications are between 0.2% and 0.6% of operations performed. The most common complications are bleeding and local infection, which are controlled with pressure and wound care or antibiotics"
@1TheLoneWolf1 'Circumcision may lead to complications, which range from minor to severe. They include easily controllable bleeding, amputation [full or partial] of the glans, acute renal failure, life-threatening sepsis &, rarely, death. The evidence of postoperative complications is unknown......cont
@1TheLoneWolf1 cont ....."The rates of complications reported in several large case series are low, from 0.2% to 0.6%.8 However, published rates range as widely as 0.06% to 55%. Williams & Kapila have suggested that a realistic rate is between 2% and 10%.
Canadian Paediatric Society Neonatal Circumcision Revisited Approved 1996 Revision in progress 2009
@1TheLoneWolf1 The complication rate you cite has been found to be suspect. Before real accurate research can be done, two problems have to be resolved. First, a comprehensive and uniform definition what constitutes a circumcision complication has to be determined and used. Second, there are immediate complications and there are long range complications both of which have to combined in order to give an accurate comprehensive picture of the real rate of circumcision complications.
@1TheLoneWolf1 There are sufficient studies which put the rate of adverse complications from circumcision much higher than the figures you give that those numbers must be held suspect. For example Williams & Kapila,Complications of circumcision 1993, found that the rate of immediate complications from circumcision range from 2% to 9% and Van Howe Variability in penile appearance and penile findings: a prospective study 1997, found that 8% of circumcised boys may develop meatal stenosis.
".The trials also found that male circumcision decreased herpes simplex virus type 2 (HSV-2) acquisition by 28% to 34% and the prevalence of human papillomavirus (HPV) by 32% to 35% in men.Among female partners of circumcised men, bacterial vaginosis was reduced by 40% and Trichomonas vaginalis infection was reduced by 48%""
"The trials enrolled HIV-negative men to circumcision on enrollment or after 21 to 24 months, and all 3 trials demonstrated that male circumcision significantly decreased male heterosexual HIV acquisition by 53% to 60%, despite differences in age eligibility criteria, urban or rural settings, and surgical procedure
", according to a review published in the January 2010 issue of the Archives of Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine.Aaron A. R. Tobian, MD, from Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, Baltimore, Maryland, and colleagues. “While the historical evidence strongly suggests that male circumcision reduces urinary tract infections and penile inflammatory disorders in infants, we reviewed the more recent evidence with regard to effects on sexually transmitted infections (STIs) in adulthood
@1TheLoneWolf1@1TheLoneWolf1 women suffer far more from urinary tract infections. Every doctor and nurse in the world will tell you that. No women are cut to prevent this. Because it’s crap. The historical "evidence" here is bogus since it must apply to the rest of the world, and it doesn't. You're sooo naive as to not notice that this is all 100% US centric to satisfy an agenda. Please provide your other sources and we’ll soon see.. Cont.
@1TheLoneWolf1 Mutilating a sexual organ with the precision of a butcher cannot & will not stop STDs, condoms will. How naive can you get? It takes an american in massive denial to make hideous claims like this. Why in Europe or elsewhere are there no cases of penile cancer? This is ludicrous! There are more chances of elbow cancer! Otherwise only Americans get penile cancer. The stuff you’re spewing is more than absurd.
@1TheLoneWolf1 There are more cases of testicle cancer, but you don’t chop them off. Why don’t you consider it? The danger is FAR higher. Quoting studies americans fabricated in Africa is useless. Everyone knows what is going on there. Also earlier on you made a massive faux par in that you admit that you had yourself cut up for hygiene reasons. What u r telling us is that you can't wash yourself!!! & so had part of your organ removed! You’re downright mad old fruit.
@1TheLoneWolf1 you've proved absolutely nothing, only babbled and swamped us with US centric bogus crap irrelevant to the rest of the world where people are left intact because NONE absolutely NONE of what you quoted is true. It's pure crap.100%!! How would you explain to billions of non US perfectly healthy men, who have & still enjoy ecstatic sex lives that they should now get their sexual organs mutilated whilst they are in PERFECT health! You're stark raving mad & dangerous!!
One last thing before I leave. You seem to be under the opinion that only the US circumcise. Canada 10-30%, Australia just over 10%
Circumcision is actually growing in the UK, as well as other EU nations, as third worlders migrate there. 25% of all males are islamic, and they circumcise. 15m Jews - cut. South Koreans, and other east asian nations are too. In fact over 2in5 males worldwide are circ'd and if no one in the US did, the numbers would only differ by small 3%.
Still trying the old "I believe, therefore it is"BS?
Here are the countries that routinely did non-religious circumcision-- with their previous high and present rates in percentages (Jews & Muslims excluded).
Yes, which is what I said, and places you missed include; many parts of south east Asia,Republic of Korea and the Philippines . southern Africa,and many islands that make up Oceania. (not including the islamic/jewish world.
"A survey of Canadian maternity practices conducted in 2006/2007 by the national public health agency found a newborn circumcision rate of 31.9%.[33] Rates varied markedly across the country, from close to zero in Newfoundland and Labrador to 44.3% in Alberta."
Also the USA stats are based on new borns circ'd in hospitals, many parents choose to use private health centers (after the new born is taken home), especially in areas where medicaid have stopped funding the procedure. The true figure is proposed to be between 10-20% higher.
The other reason for the decline is down to increasing Latin migration and birth rates *which now account for over 30% , most blacks and whites still circ'. Anyway, my point's made.
So, after the numbers game where we both have different numbers and different sources, do you honestly believe the "lemming effect" can somehow make NT infant circumcision necessary or justify it?
Do they even provide a single PROVEN benefit?
Keep desperately looking for excuses, but you still need to provide a valid REASON for it.
@1TheLoneWolf1 you're making one major faux pas after another. You can't take ethinic people who arrive in Europe demanding an operation as a stat' that suddenly suggests mainstream Europeans are increasing circ.This is grotesque! It really is ultra difficult to argue with someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. You clearly don't speak any European languages, perhaps never been here & discussed this let alone researched it.Your claims are no more than wishful thinking
@trident3b "Proof f hygene health related benefits of circumcision? I refer you to any scientific study on the subject All will admit health/hygene benefits, although they may differ on opinion whether it's worth circumcising That's subjective to individual opinion and how much you value good health and hygene over an inch of extra skin
CDC CIRCINFO - MedScope,and countless overs report health benefits
Just one source; google -"New Data Support Long-Term Health Benefits of Male Circumcision"
@1TheLoneWolf1 I'm sorry dear boy, but your comments are not only sick but laced with an ignorance & stupidity of a kind yet to be rivalled. Again, why don't you cut off anything else from your body for apparent hygiene reasons? Have your armpits gouged out to prevent the hideous stench. Saves you WASHING your armpits. 'The extra piece of skin' is a complex part of the penis containing 1000s of sexual nerve endings that all men - except you - enjoy, & protects an internal organ.
@trident3b Almost 1in10 men can't fully retract their foreskin, so it's useless during sex as it cant glide back and forth. Therefore unabable to experience the full sensations you proclaim. the nerves you talk about are on the inner folds of the fs, which are not exposed when sk cannot fully retract. Therefore, experience even less pleasure than a cut guy (according to your beliefs) .
The Finnish National Board of Health provided national case records for the year 1970 for both phimosis and paraphimosis. A total of 409 cases was reported for males 15 years and older,which represents only 2/100ths of 1% (0.023%) of the total male population in that age group. Moreover, according to Finnish authorities, only a fraction of the reported cases required surgery-- a number too small to reliably estimate.
@1TheLoneWolf1 remember that you’re talking here to a person who still has it. So you actually have the audacity to tell me what happens with the FS during sex? If there were 1in10 with the apparent problem you describe we'd hear & know about it. There is no such stat. Provide your source. It's pure crap, a lie. Stories. With a full erection no FS is gliding anymore in most cases, the underside is exposed making it even 'look' like a mutilated one exposing the Meisner corpuscles.
@trident3b So yes, just as I suspected refute and ignore scientific fact that circumcision benefits male penile health. I don't see what the point is in talking further with you or TandyKane when you ignore and dismiss scientific *facts* because it doesn't suit your opinions.
@1TheLoneWolf1 dear fellow... if they were scientific facts then the rest of the world would engage in the horrendous act. But they don't. There are no scientific facts. They are all american lies, and we don't buy them dear fellow. Just like WDM stories and lies, we don't buy them. The rest of the world has billions of intact men who reach over 80 years of age with no problems at all. These are all stories and childish myths and you have fallen for them "big time".
@trident3b "Periodically infants DIE due to this vile procedure"
Via complications of the surgery, not circumcision itself. People die during orthodontist procedures & heart operations too. Surely you suggesting us boycotting them too? Being European you're know for bad dental hygene too so I suppose that could be a possibilty.
@1TheLoneWolf1 you extreme ignoramus. Have you been to Europe? There are less Europeans in the industrialized areas with bad teeth than the poor people in the US of which you have MASSES thanks to your internal policies. Next to no people have health insurance in the US at all. And you just compared a forced non therapeutic amputation of a infant penis to a heart operation! Do you realize what you have just said, and compared? Or are you pledging for non therapeutic heart ops now?
@trident3b Further more. Yes I'm comparing a surgery of any type which benefits health. There are complications in all types of surgical procedures.
"Why don't you cut off your testicles etc" Testicles are needed foreskin is not. What billions throughout the ages, have had sex, masturbation, created new life and urinated without foreskin attached. Once again,mute point from you.
"There are complications in all types of surgical procedures."
EXACTLY--and that is why we should not be performing unnecessary procedures on infants--the INHERENT harm and risks are totally unnecessary..and frankly irrational
"EXACTLY--and that is why we should not be performing unnecessary procedures on infants"
Should I refraim from taking him to the dentist too? 0.3 - 0.6% chance of circumcision going wrong. I guess the same stats could be made for visiting the orthodontist, and other similar surgeries.
@1TheLoneWolf1 so who are you to claim that the fs is not needed? This is the peak of arrogance & ignorance! I have it, & I NEED IT because I want to keep it for all the protection & the sexual pleasures it provides. You'll stoop to cutting it off a defenceless child since it is not in a position to protest & defend itself, but you don't can't & wouldn't DARE cut it off me or another adult since we would resist you because it belongs to us & WE NEED IT & WANT IT FOR ITS FUNCTION!
@trident3b I got circumsized and im fine, people who make a big deal out of it are just fucking stupid, nothings wrong with me or any of my friends who also have been cut its simply rediculous the bullshit that comes outta peoples mouths now days, dont you think we have bigger issues in the world? Lets worry about the people being raped in other countries for being female and stop worrying about weither to cut a babies forskin off, dumbass people...
@USABonez when did you get circ'd, as a baby or by choice? The other things are possibly being dealt with in the world, but this too is a subject that should not be dropped because people like you want it dropped. The infant was born with it as I was. I know what it feels like now (ecstatic & better than without) & how it protects so I unlike you DON'T want to lose it. If someone tried to remove it I'd remove their head. If you're happy in a mutilated condition then leave this forum.
You are fine? What about the loss of up to 3/4 of your penile sensation and sensitivity? I would hardly call that "fine".
Sorry, but I don't accept relativistic morality as a justification for violating an infant's most basic right of bodily integrity--a greater evil does not erase the lesser evil.
@USABonez infact judging by your remark I'd take an educated guess & assume yours was hacked off at birth which means you can't know any better, you have learned to make do with what is left over & so it's 100% impossible for you to know what you're missing. You 'think' all is well. You get a kick out of the remains of your part & feel fine with what you have. You'd say the same if an eye had been removed. "hey dudes! I can see just fine! What's the problem with having an eye removed".
@trident3b Make due with whats left? Oh you mean my entire penis which is still pleasurable and perfectly usable?? Very good point, now instead of bitching about something that doesnt effect anyone considering this topic has never been brought up to me from people who actually HAVE been circumsized lets worry about all the starving people on the street, get of the internet and do something productive, idiot.
@USABonez well if you have your entire penis you're OK. It means you also have your foreskin since only with it is it complete. If it has been partially amputated you cannot speak of entire anymore but only partial. Some 10 to 20 or more 1000 sexually dedicated nerve endings are missing. Decapitated. Gone, forever. One can certainly make do with less, yes, but you were equipped with everything from the outset. Now it is devoid of crucial parts. Infants must keep what belongs to them.
@USABonez to make these comments takes seconds. We're all capable of doing things that are useful the rest of the time. What you're telling us is that you require hours of time to respond in this forum, & if so, perhaps you should concentrate on other things. Gen' mutilation isn't trivial, it constitutes a severe assault on other human beings with life long negative consequenses & hence it must stop. In most civilized countries this isn't debated since such a crime isn't even committed
"Oh you mean my entire penis which is still pleasurable and perfectly usable?? " You seem confused--thinking that your remaining penis is a complete penis and is fully functional? It is not..you have lost the most sensitive part.. Just because you believe it is complete--nature and reality states otherwise.
@trident3b Oh and one last thing, aint it funny how a slut can argue women rights about abortion but when the same HYPOCRITES talk about circumsision its not longer about "rights" its attacking a child? But we dont put the same standards on attacking a fetus? Just do yourself a favor and shut your mouth because if this conversation continues im gonna have to make you feel bad, now if you'll excuse me I got better things to do with my life than talking to an idiot, like feedin the homeless.
@USABonez I invite you to attempt to make me and others 'feel bad'. You can't win since the initial assault on a defenceless infant that destroys it's sexuality will never constitute a rational argument such that it can make me or others 'feel bad'. Those who commit such atrocities to their children should, at the very least, 'feel bad'. Comparing the partial destruction of a born child's sexual organ to abortion is a ludicrous comparison. Abortion is a totally different subject.
@USABonez at least your feeding the homeless is applaudable. The world would be a better place if MANY prob's could be dealt with. A gov' system that really does care for its people (the US does not as can be seen by the need of your efforts & help as you describe) as well as also leaving infants intact i.e. not unnecessarily mutilating them leaving them irreparably damaged for the rest of their lives, would be better. Homelessness, starvation, Gen Mutilation etc. all of it must stop!
@Tandykane Missing nerves? No I just cant stand stupidity and you're the one who is stupid enough to argue instead of taking action and doing something productive with your life, so good job you're officially a loser, btw its spelled card and dude, nice job on spelling.
@Tandykane btw unless you have something worth substance to say future comments will be ignored, I dont have time to argue with a self rightous idiot on youtube about something this pointless who refuses to get off there ass and do something about the issues in the world, goodbye.
I should clarify before I leave , the damage is usually between the frenulum and the foreskin. Many frenulums are significant in length to support full gliding in intercourse, therefore occasionally tearing, taking weeks to heal.
And for someone who's uncut and according to his own "medical claims posts" should be satisfied being uncut, more than a cut guy being cut, he's so bitter and seems so depressed about it. Go figure.
I mean he's obsessed with circumcision. A normal satisfied uncut guy wouldn't be, surely.
Tandyboy also likes to post medical surveys that agree with his opinion, but when I countered them in the past, he called them either biased or simply ignored them. Which is exactly what you can expect from someone ignorant and bitter from his childhood.
I stopped replying to his silly posts, so he started posting totally bogus stats about how many are cut worldwide/ how many are satisfied etc. To try get me to reply. He really is a pathetic attention seeker. Lol.
"Anyways, good luck with the toll. Though if I would you I'd do what I do and ignore his attention seeking." Thanks for the advice--but hardly compelling from someone with NO evidence.
Yes, we are impressed with your attempted dismissal by claims of bias, but sadly you have never been able to disqualify them with proof that bias has affected the conclusions.
Bitter from childhood? ANYthing other than assumptions to back up this claim?
I wasn't circumcised as a baby so I can compare sex both cut, and uncut.
I know from personal experience I'm not losing out in sensations during sex. Sure the gliding isn't present but the pressure, and pleasure on the glans is far greater, blowjobs are more fun and I can go rougher because their's no foreskin to damage.
Handjobs aren't as fun. But I'm married, I don't need handjobs :D
@1TheLoneWolf1 ha ha ! Did you see this one guys comment:"I'm not circumcised so I don't need blowjobs"? I mean really, nobody needs one ,they're just fun as hell to get!
@reyjalapeno Yeah, a lot of what he says his bullshit. I stopped replying to it
We have different opinions neither of us are going to agree with the others so I see no point wasting more time on him. I'm glad to be cut. I've had experience being both cut and uncut ,
He says I have a loss of sensitivity.I'll tell you now if the sensation was any greater, I wouldn't enjoy it. It's just perfect. And if that's 'mutilation'? I for one am glad to be 'mutilated' then LOL!
You never saw the Laumann study that showed that cut men resort to more varied sexual practices..
"As shown in Table 4, NHSLS data indicate that circumcised men engage in a somewhat more elaborated set of sexual practices than do men who are not circumcised. For each of the practices examined, lifetime experience of various forms of oral and anal sex and masturbation frequency in the past year, circumcised men engaged in these behaviors at greater rates.
And what you said about him how he's just like an impertinent teenager is also true.
To me he sounds like someone who's bitter because he was teased at school for looking different to the rest of his peers, and he now gets a thrill out of calling nearly half of all men on the planet mutilated. . If that was the case, circumcision wouldn't be the most popular cosmetic procedure on the planet.
then can you provide a LOGICAL and evidenced-based explanation as to HOW and WHT the loss of up toi 3/4 of your penile sensation and sensitivity CANNOT result in a loss of pleasure.
Especially in the light of there being far fewer and almost no specialized nerves in the glans.
@1TheLoneWolf1 of course you're entitled to your opinion. If you're not losing out on sensations then u didn't perceive them in the first place & so one must assume yours was defect from the outset in as much as your 1000s of fs nerve endings didn't work. I don't believe u simply because the overwhelming majority (BILLIONS of men) DO enjoy the fs sensations. You're most likely in denial (who would admit to an error). Mine feels simply ecstatic meaning I'd NEVER have it removed.
@trident3b LOL You're about as bad as Tandyboy discrediting one's opinion. My foreskin was normal. I had the prodedure done for the hygene and health benefits which are a proven fact. To say that my own experience is irrelevant, is just a dirty cheap shot. I can do just the same back and call your own insufficient because you haven't been circ'd. "overwhelming majority are uncut" I'd hardly call 3 in 5 a overwhelming majorty. A majority btw that's decreasing as we speak.
@1TheLoneWolf1 most of the world is not mutilated, if you deny that you are misguided to a spectacular degree. Europe (500 mil people) Russia just about everywhere except the religiously motivated, americans and demented Filipinos, are in a normal condition non mutilated condition with fully functional normal sexual organs as nature had intended them to be.
@1TheLoneWolf1 "I had the prodedure done for the hygene and health benefits which are a proven fact" Proven fact??!! Supply the evidence! You can't, there is none since it is pure fiction. Periodically infants DIE due to this vile procedure. Is that healthy? No one should ever die as a result of non therapeutic permanently damaging cosmetic surgery, especially when done to defenceless infants. You just enjoy your self chosen mutilated state & please stop suggesting it to others!!
@trident3b cont -A majority that's decreasing as circ;d rates are increasing drastically across the African continent, and also along with the rising islamic birthrate (which is the highest birthrate in the world)
But all said and done, none of that matters. I don't see the point to this debate, if you're anti circumcision/hygene, don't circumcise, pretty simple really.
@1TheLoneWolf1 I'm certainly not anti hygiene! I'm VERY much for it, but decapitation of crucial body parts is not a method of hygiene, washing is! Women suffer far more in that department but nothing or theirs is gouged out to save on personal hygiene. You might as well have your armpits removed to then since if you don't shower the stench as a result of bacteria can be noticed by people standing 2 feet away! The hygiene argument is more than ultra grotesque. Are you american?
"don't believe u simply because the overwhelming majority (BILLIONS of men) DO enjoy the fs sensations"
Just like the overwhelming majority of circumcised males enjoy their sensations during sex. Mute point on your behalf. As I've said previously, I was uncut and my fs worked fine. So yes my experience is valid. cut feels better. End of story. Dont agree? Fine but stop telling me my own experience is wrong. Mute point.
@1TheLoneWolf1 If cut feels better why are so many american men trying to "get it restored". There are loads of reports of people who were coerced into getting it done later & bitterly regret it. Losing 1000s of sexual nerve endings & drying out an internal organ cannot be better. You stick with your condition then and stay away. Why are YOU here trying to promote an atrocity? If you think you're ok, fine, but infants MUST be left intact and not be mutilated. That penis is theirs.
"Just like the overwhelming majority of circumcised males enjoy their sensations during sex." Yes, and that overwhelming majority have never known the pleasure of an intact penis--ignorance is bliss, denial is divine, and CHOSEN ignorance is a religious experience.
HOW can it feel better with the loss of the majority of penile nerves and almost all of the specialized nerves?--please provide to support your claim.
And finally. As I've said to your bitter friend below. We'll never agree. So I see no point in carrying on a worthless discussion on YT when I could be doing more worthwhile things in evenings off from work. Don't like circumcision? Fine don't do it to yourself, or your sons. Quit pissing and moaning around youtube on a insignificant topic.
One would think circumcision & foreskin was the most important event in the world right now, the way you trolls moan about it. Laters!
"One would think circumcision & foreskin was the most important event in the world right now, the way you trolls moan about it. Laters!" So the basic human right of bodily integrity is not worth defending?
@1TheLoneWolf1 There are plenty who had it done later & they bitterly regret it (see 'circumsized at 18' on YT). Also I find your descriptions suspect. "can go rougher"? So you smash away like a rabbit? A keratinized penis & the lack of 1000s of nerve endings is tantamount to better sex? Who are you trying to kid (except yourself)? Damage to the f’skin? We NEVER hear of damage to the fs here in Europe. Why would a fs get "damaged" during sex with a lubricated woman? Most bizarre!
So, a serious question which you then dismiss frivolously.
Hi. I'm a guy. I think I can probably speak for all guys when I say *we* are the ones who should be deciding what our penises look like, not you. They're not for you. They're ours. Please remember this the next time some dilweed Republican tries to pass a law regulating what you can do with your uterus. THIS IS THE SAME EVIL SHIT. Dumbasses.
And finally, the glans and inner skin folds in an uncut member are far more moist, creating a breeding ground for bacterial, viral and other forms of infection to grow such as STIs / STDs, HIV in hetrosexual couplings, odure, urinary tract infections, also more likely to injure during sex. is This enough to consider circumcision? We're not going to agree on it that's obvious so there's no point in carrying on this discussion. My penis does what it's supposed to & is healthy and clean too :).
@alnot01 "nearly all mammals have some sort of sheath for the tip of their penis"
Which rolls back permanently when preparing for, and during intercourse There's no sexual benefits for their sheath In fact it's sole purpose is to protect their glans in the wild "Hence it presumptuous to prune the penis given the current state of knowledge"
I agree You made the presumption and I corrected you on it The human body's still evolving excessive body hair was once considered natural too.
I HATE being circumcised! I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT!!!! dont cut your kid!!! because you dont know if theyll be happy with it!! LET THEM MAKE THE CHOICE!!! you dont want your kid to hate you for this do you???
The foreskin contains more nerve endings than any other part of the penis, that's just fact. In the largest study on circumcision in South Korea, Seoul University found 33% of men who were circumcised reported difficulty attaining sexual gratification, 63% said masturbation less enjoyable, and 11% had "frequent" orgasm difficulties.
(source: Kim and Peng, Seoul University, 2004)
Ladies, what to know what it feels like? Your clitoral hood is anatomically analogous.
WOW..I don't even know what to say..I'm stunned at your "views" expressed in this video, mainly because you're basing your opinions on appearance.
I think you should both do some research on the subject before you make such a foul video.
Elephant truck (sulk) vs. mushroom (smile) = What the hell? Have you considered ANYTHING else in regards to circumcision besides appearance? Obviously not.
You're not only offensive and disappointing, but incredibly uneducated about this. Horrible.
@AprilBaby2011 : Agreed. And the job of the penis is not to LOOK good but to FEEL good. It is not eye candy for horny women. Which means that having a competent opinion about cut and uncut requires bonking several guys of each kind, without a condom. Not a lifestyle I can endorse, but hey, good data doesn't come cheap...
seriously? no one has the right (or they should realize they don't) to cut the genitalia of another person's body! the idea that somehow a mans penis is not perfect just as he is born makes me sick..wake up and STOP HARMING people, babies no less! ugh!!
Apparently these ladies have not looked at their own vaginas. Vaginas are fuckin scary. They have folds, skin over skin wrapped in more skin. Then some women fail to realize that a penis is just a giant clit. So if you believe it is ok to cut the foreskin of men then you also would be ok cutting the hood of the clit. BTW i have never seen yeast infection medication for men. Only women. How gross are Vaginas that they get infected and smell like fish? Circumcision is wrong...period.
@ThingsThatVexMe : the seeming logic here, however despicable, is accepted in many parts of sub-Saharan Africa and in some other Moslem parts of the world. The mindset that deems the foreskin vile easily concludes that the clit hood or inner lips are also vile. Then of course there is the notion that sexual desire disgraces a woman (go figure!?!) and so we cut out her clitoris before she marries. The strong urge to carve the genitalia shows how perverted humans can be.
Dumb whores!!! They should mutilate themselves immediately,like all women supporting the mutilation of infants,otherwise shut the fuck up,because they have no right to advocate mutilation on other than themselves!
Also wiki states around 33%, not that I base too much trust on wiki itself, but it does cite several sources, now seriously, this is my last post. I really don't care one way or another, unlike you.
Sorry, but the "lemming" argument certainly does nothing for your argument.
There will always be stupid, ignorant, superstitious people. but regardless of the numbers of them, it hardly justifies the senseless mutilation of children..
If you can come up with a rational ethical justification for the genital mutilation of helpless children, you might have an intelligent argument.
@1TheLoneWolf1 If someone has the cast of mind as Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens, that's it, end of subject! It's all a delusion, and the Prof. Tandykane Foundation for Enlightening People Stupider Than Prof. Tandykane has just proved by statistics that people who go against the accepted anti-stance know little about the argument and somehow don't believe what they think either.
This is so typical of many circumcisers, they cannot rationally defend their obsession with infant mutilation, and cannot refute the evidence, so they must resort to ad hominem attacks and childish attempt at character assassination--
Character assassination is the last refuge of the incompetent.
@Tandykane Just to be clear, You have'nt any character to attack, You are just a strange little troll who knows a lot about foreskin but not much about anything else.Its interesting to note that 90% of your clever things to say are in fact things people have said to you over time,Empirical evidence is clear:90% of people think you are a jerk. And please, don't bother trying your"its about protecting children shtick,everybody knows thats not why you are here.You're just plain weird.
@Tandykane Youre such a child.there's no point in discussing anything with you,I only have some small difficulty with bullshit which you happen to be full of.if it makes you feel any better those girls did'nt reject you because of your foreskin,that was just their excuse,they did it because you are a grade A jerk.
@Tandykane You are the one who went there first and they actually are'nt insults ,they are scientific facts based on a study of you. I notice that just like an impertinent teenager,you simply must have the last word even if its no better than a eloquent "Nyah nyah nyah"My post was'nt adressed to you anyway, so please annoy somebody else,thank you ever so much.
So, again, I reiterate, since you have no scientific data to support your claims, you need to resort to character assassination--which is the last refuge of the incompetent..
And as for a "scientific analysis" of me, what evidence is this "analysis based on?
@Tandykane Don't fret,Im sure You'll be able to use it a little later sometime on someone else.Heres another long as Im here: Youre an ass.hahahahahahahaha, sorry its just that intelligent repartee is impossible with a loon such as yourself that this is the only thing you are any good for.Oh yeah and you post like a fag"have problems with facts much?" hahahahahahaha. what a f*kin schmuck.
So, your idea of an intelligent debate is an insult smack down? Too bad you cannot engage in a logical, evidence-based discussion..and this from one who complains about others being trolls? Gotta love the projection.
@Tandykane No,my idea of an intelligent debate is talking to someone other than you.And remember:they arent insults they are facts,based on a comprehensive study in a controlled enviroment: " A-holes on Youtube:Fact or fiction? by Drs. Chili and pepper"
So you deny the fact that muslims make up 1/4 of the world population? Its a fact. I dont like the religion, or any religion, but the fact is they breed more than anyone else, hence the rising circumcision rates.
Last reply. Seriously dude you need help, but I'll answer this one before I leave.
Muslims alone ;25% of new born males are muslim. 5% males born are Jewish. Add the Phillipines, and some parts of Asia where circumcision cultures are also dominant, Then Europe where it's around 3% You get a figure between 30 and 40% Or roughly 2 in 5 newborns.
@1TheLoneWolf1 : Jews are 0.3% of the human race. Muslims 20%. Korea & Philippines circumcise, as do many Polynesian and African tribes. 30% of the human race at most, says the WHO. The only societies with a high standard of living where routine circ is the norm are South Korea... and USA.
1 in 4 humans (1.75bn) call themselves muslims. I'm pretty sure that adds to 25% unless my math is wrong.
Also when you look back in history, most of the big civilisations at their peak. practiced circumcision
ie The British empire at it's peak early-mid 20th C. The Arab lands when they lead the world in medicine in the early centuries AD even before the spread of islam.
Theres evidence also to suggest it was common practice in Ancient Egypt Also the US at it's peak mid 20th C
I really don't care one way or another. I'm not going to spend my free time justifying someone I'm more or less neutral on.
However to call it mutilation and suggest that over 1 in 3 men worldwide are somehow 'broken' because they lack and peice of wrinkly skin is ridiculous.
Circumcision predates modern religion, and has at some point being at least common in most high civilisations.
If you don't like it, don't cut your kid, regrow your foreskin, quit moaning.
Sorry, but irrational excuses do not a justification make.. Neither does ignorance--educate yourself on the subject and rational people are not blase about harming children..
Cut men have a damaged penis..with a loss of up to 3/4 of their sensation and sensitivity:
Fine-touch pressure thresholds in the adult penis Morris L. Sorrells, James L. Snyder, Mark D. Reiss 2 0 07 BJU INTERNATIONAL 2007
Here we go, the anti-circ troll with multiple accounts speaks once again.
You claim I'm speaking irrational? You speak purely based on an emotional context.
There have been many many studies throughout the ages that suggest various healthy benefits to circumcision.
You should take my advise and seek help for your insecurities. It's obviously a major issue for you. Don't pin it on activism, I see through the excuses. As I said previously, It's not an issue for me,
And you very conveniently ignore than MANY research studies which suggest health benefits for both man and partner. Also the research (posted on CDC) which suggests an INCrease in sensitivity for circumcised males.
You appear to only accept the evidence that agrees with your opinion.
Your comment on *projection* it's self evident that it's a personal issue for you. You were either teased for being uncut, or one of the unfortunate few who had a botched circumcision.
And that really was my last comment regardless of how ridiculous and incorrect your next post is.
I hate getting tied down and debating with ignorant people, who can't see past their own nose.
It's pointles, and the circumcision dabate is kind of boring, even if medically necessary, I don't want to spend my full evenings after work discussing it.
@Tandykane You're beginning to sound like a parrot again Tandy. Can't you get over the fact that not many people actually agree with you?
Repeating the same tired old prejudices ad nauseam does not make your case any stronger, it just makes you look foolish. Snyder and Reiss.....Sneider and Reiss........Sorrells and O'Hara.....Sorrell's and O'Hara................zzzzzzz
And finally, I'll reiterate for the flast time. I DON'T CARE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
I recognise there are health benefits inline with circumcision. Which is why my three sons,(and any future ones) have had the procedure.
But I won't piss and moan around on youtube on an issue which really isn't relevant to me. Everyone I know has had it done, and to call us 'broken' men (for a lack of an inch of skin) is a great joke. One to tell the guys down at the bar this evening.
@1TheLoneWolf1 : If you were neutral, you would not bother to comment. I never say "mutilate." I have nothing to regrow. Some circumcised men are damaged, many aren't. The damage often does not set in until 50 or later, when aging is blamed. Many great civilisations (Japan, China, Germany, Greece, Rome, UK during the Industrial Revol., the American Founding Fathers, Genghis Khan) did not circumcise.
"If you were neutral, you would not bother to comment"
True, My original comment was to point out a misconception made by someone a while back.
This will be my last comment on the matter. What's your point on the age of muslim circumcision? How does this affect the numbers of circumcised males in the world? Which was the point I was originally making. cont>>>
These girls have an IQ of 130... combined.
CountWestwest 3 days ago
You are talking about a surgery that violates the standards and ethics used in all other surgeries. It also violates the Human Rights of the boy.This is something that is a personal matter and as such should be left up to the boy. It's HIS body and only HE should make the choice. In other parts of the world, men(who HAVE the choice) usually choose NOT to have the most sensitive part of their anatomy removed.
lochinvar00465 4 days ago
If men are not suposed to have foreskin we would be born with out it
84bayouboy 1 week ago 2
uninformed women. end of story.
magnagei 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 what is your source for your one in ten claim?
neechee5150 1 week ago
@neechee5150
Lord Robert Winston (biologist) on an episode of "The Human Body" He wasn't promoting circumcision. In fact it wasn't even discussing it. Just stated that about 10% of males cannot fully retract their 'fs to various degrees, some at all, some to the full extent. Not I am not arguing for circumcision based on solely on that.
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
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@1TheLoneWolf1
"Just stated that about 10% of males cannot fully retract their 'fs to various degrees" So, your idea of scientific fact is a statement from some "expert"--who did not even supply the source for his statement--THIS is what you consider SCIENTIFIC FACTS???????
Tandykane 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 Winston is a legit MD with very impressive credentials. However he is also traditional Jew raised in the orthodox tradition which does not solidify the idea that he is neutral towards infant circumcision. In fact one could make a case that his religous beliefs possibly sqew his rational concerning infant circumcision. As a general rule any practicing Jew who is an MD who is a staunch advocate of circumcision deserves increased scrutiny of thier pro circ claims.
neechee5150 6 days ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 Furthermore, if Winston did not qaulify his claim by specifically stating 10% of ADULT males, his claims are immediately suspect as until the age of 16-18 not being able to fully retract the foreskin is often not a pathalogical condition. Van Howe's article in the AAP Journal on the cost effectivness of circumcision to treat phimosis cites several studies that make Winstons claims very suspect. One large sample study put the rate of true phimosis at 1/1000
neechee5150 6 days ago
@trident3b Just as I expected, you rejected the overwhelming scientic research which proved my point. Suggesting that it was biased simply because supported circumcision. Only when you circ trolls find scientific research which benefits your argument, it's suddenly unbiased and "fact" Another reason why I won't bother debating you anymore. What's the point, when you'll believe your delusions regardless?
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1
You keep claiming your assertions are scientific facts, but where have you even given a study to back your specious claims so they can be debated... nothing but empty claims!
Tandykane 1 week ago
To Tandykane's earlier point about circumcised males practicing "weird sexual habbits"
"They add that there was no evidence of change in sexual behavior after circumcision in the African randomized controlled trials."
Now I'm done. Goodbye, and happytrolling :)
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
"The study authors note that the rates of neonatal circumcision complications are between 0.2% and 0.6% of operations performed. The most common complications are bleeding and local infection, which are controlled with pressure and wound care or antibiotics"
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 'Circumcision may lead to complications, which range from minor to severe. They include easily controllable bleeding, amputation [full or partial] of the glans, acute renal failure, life-threatening sepsis &, rarely, death. The evidence of postoperative complications is unknown......cont
neechee5150 6 days ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 cont ....."The rates of complications reported in several large case series are low, from 0.2% to 0.6%.8 However, published rates range as widely as 0.06% to 55%. Williams & Kapila have suggested that a realistic rate is between 2% and 10%.
Canadian Paediatric Society Neonatal Circumcision Revisited Approved 1996 Revision in progress 2009
neechee5150 6 days ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 The complication rate you cite has been found to be suspect. Before real accurate research can be done, two problems have to be resolved. First, a comprehensive and uniform definition what constitutes a circumcision complication has to be determined and used. Second, there are immediate complications and there are long range complications both of which have to combined in order to give an accurate comprehensive picture of the real rate of circumcision complications.
neechee5150 6 days ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 There are sufficient studies which put the rate of adverse complications from circumcision much higher than the figures you give that those numbers must be held suspect. For example Williams & Kapila,Complications of circumcision 1993, found that the rate of immediate complications from circumcision range from 2% to 9% and Van Howe Variability in penile appearance and penile findings: a prospective study 1997, found that 8% of circumcised boys may develop meatal stenosis.
neechee5150 6 days ago
".The trials also found that male circumcision decreased herpes simplex virus type 2 (HSV-2) acquisition by 28% to 34% and the prevalence of human papillomavirus (HPV) by 32% to 35% in men.Among female partners of circumcised men, bacterial vaginosis was reduced by 40% and Trichomonas vaginalis infection was reduced by 48%""
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
"The trials enrolled HIV-negative men to circumcision on enrollment or after 21 to 24 months, and all 3 trials demonstrated that male circumcision significantly decreased male heterosexual HIV acquisition by 53% to 60%, despite differences in age eligibility criteria, urban or rural settings, and surgical procedure
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
", according to a review published in the January 2010 issue of the Archives of Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine.Aaron A. R. Tobian, MD, from Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, Baltimore, Maryland, and colleagues. “While the historical evidence strongly suggests that male circumcision reduces urinary tract infections and penile inflammatory disorders in infants, we reviewed the more recent evidence with regard to effects on sexually transmitted infections (STIs) in adulthood
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 @1TheLoneWolf1 women suffer far more from urinary tract infections. Every doctor and nurse in the world will tell you that. No women are cut to prevent this. Because it’s crap. The historical "evidence" here is bogus since it must apply to the rest of the world, and it doesn't. You're sooo naive as to not notice that this is all 100% US centric to satisfy an agenda. Please provide your other sources and we’ll soon see.. Cont.
trident3b 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 Mutilating a sexual organ with the precision of a butcher cannot & will not stop STDs, condoms will. How naive can you get? It takes an american in massive denial to make hideous claims like this. Why in Europe or elsewhere are there no cases of penile cancer? This is ludicrous! There are more chances of elbow cancer! Otherwise only Americans get penile cancer. The stuff you’re spewing is more than absurd.
trident3b 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 There are more cases of testicle cancer, but you don’t chop them off. Why don’t you consider it? The danger is FAR higher. Quoting studies americans fabricated in Africa is useless. Everyone knows what is going on there. Also earlier on you made a massive faux par in that you admit that you had yourself cut up for hygiene reasons. What u r telling us is that you can't wash yourself!!! & so had part of your organ removed! You’re downright mad old fruit.
trident3b 1 week ago
@trident3b
And last but not least it's rapidly growing across the African content too.
That really is all I have to say. To me it's like arguing about; "which is better? Tea of coffee?" I prefer coffee, but heh SO WHAT?
Goodbye.
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
Now, I really have said and proved all I needed to on the matter.
You most likely already knew of the health benefits of circumcising. Or maybe you're just ignorant to the information out there.
I don't mind that you disagree with me. That's fine. We'll agree to disagree on this unimportant issue. You should afford me the same courtesy.
As I said, don't like circumcision? Fine don't do it! Quit moaning to everyone else who disagrees with your *opinion* on the matter.
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 you've proved absolutely nothing, only babbled and swamped us with US centric bogus crap irrelevant to the rest of the world where people are left intact because NONE absolutely NONE of what you quoted is true. It's pure crap.100%!! How would you explain to billions of non US perfectly healthy men, who have & still enjoy ecstatic sex lives that they should now get their sexual organs mutilated whilst they are in PERFECT health! You're stark raving mad & dangerous!!
trident3b 1 week ago
@trident3b
One last thing before I leave. You seem to be under the opinion that only the US circumcise. Canada 10-30%, Australia just over 10%
Circumcision is actually growing in the UK, as well as other EU nations, as third worlders migrate there. 25% of all males are islamic, and they circumcise. 15m Jews - cut. South Koreans, and other east asian nations are too. In fact over 2in5 males worldwide are circ'd and if no one in the US did, the numbers would only differ by small 3%.
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1
Still trying the old "I believe, therefore it is"BS?
Here are the countries that routinely did non-religious circumcision-- with their previous high and present rates in percentages (Jews & Muslims excluded).
Aust: 55 - 10
UK: 55 - <1
US: 90 - 53 (33, if you believe the CDC)
NZ: 90 - <1
Can: 45 - 10
Tandykane 1 week ago
@Tandykane
Yes, which is what I said, and places you missed include; many parts of south east Asia,Republic of Korea and the Philippines . southern Africa,and many islands that make up Oceania. (not including the islamic/jewish world.
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
@Tandykane
Your info on Canada is contradictory.
"A survey of Canadian maternity practices conducted in 2006/2007 by the national public health agency found a newborn circumcision rate of 31.9%.[33] Rates varied markedly across the country, from close to zero in Newfoundland and Labrador to 44.3% in Alberta."
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
@Tandykane and Australia 13% please don't post misleading facts, like you usually do.
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1
In parts of Australia it's rising as well.
"New South Wales, rates have risen from 13% in 1999 to 18% in 2009"
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
@Tandykane
Also the USA stats are based on new borns circ'd in hospitals, many parents choose to use private health centers (after the new born is taken home), especially in areas where medicaid have stopped funding the procedure. The true figure is proposed to be between 10-20% higher.
The other reason for the decline is down to increasing Latin migration and birth rates *which now account for over 30% , most blacks and whites still circ'. Anyway, my point's made.
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1
So, after the numbers game where we both have different numbers and different sources, do you honestly believe the "lemming effect" can somehow make NT infant circumcision necessary or justify it?
Do they even provide a single PROVEN benefit?
Keep desperately looking for excuses, but you still need to provide a valid REASON for it.
Tandykane 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 you're making one major faux pas after another. You can't take ethinic people who arrive in Europe demanding an operation as a stat' that suddenly suggests mainstream Europeans are increasing circ.This is grotesque! It really is ultra difficult to argue with someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. You clearly don't speak any European languages, perhaps never been here & discussed this let alone researched it.Your claims are no more than wishful thinking
trident3b 4 days ago
@trident3b "Proof f hygene health related benefits of circumcision? I refer you to any scientific study on the subject All will admit health/hygene benefits, although they may differ on opinion whether it's worth circumcising That's subjective to individual opinion and how much you value good health and hygene over an inch of extra skin
CDC CIRCINFO - MedScope,and countless overs report health benefits
Just one source; google -"New Data Support Long-Term Health Benefits of Male Circumcision"
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 I'm sorry dear boy, but your comments are not only sick but laced with an ignorance & stupidity of a kind yet to be rivalled. Again, why don't you cut off anything else from your body for apparent hygiene reasons? Have your armpits gouged out to prevent the hideous stench. Saves you WASHING your armpits. 'The extra piece of skin' is a complex part of the penis containing 1000s of sexual nerve endings that all men - except you - enjoy, & protects an internal organ.
trident3b 1 week ago
@trident3b Almost 1in10 men can't fully retract their foreskin, so it's useless during sex as it cant glide back and forth. Therefore unabable to experience the full sensations you proclaim. the nerves you talk about are on the inner folds of the fs, which are not exposed when sk cannot fully retract. Therefore, experience even less pleasure than a cut guy (according to your beliefs) .
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1
Wrong, as usual..
The Finnish National Board of Health provided national case records for the year 1970 for both phimosis and paraphimosis. A total of 409 cases was reported for males 15 years and older,which represents only 2/100ths of 1% (0.023%) of the total male population in that age group. Moreover, according to Finnish authorities, only a fraction of the reported cases required surgery-- a number too small to reliably estimate.
Tandykane 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 remember that you’re talking here to a person who still has it. So you actually have the audacity to tell me what happens with the FS during sex? If there were 1in10 with the apparent problem you describe we'd hear & know about it. There is no such stat. Provide your source. It's pure crap, a lie. Stories. With a full erection no FS is gliding anymore in most cases, the underside is exposed making it even 'look' like a mutilated one exposing the Meisner corpuscles.
trident3b 4 days ago
@trident3b So yes, just as I suspected refute and ignore scientific fact that circumcision benefits male penile health. I don't see what the point is in talking further with you or TandyKane when you ignore and dismiss scientific *facts* because it doesn't suit your opinions.
Goodbye
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1
Provide me a SCIENTIFIC fact proving a benefit for circumcision, not some questionable statistical "medical science" study..
THIS requires that you provide empirical evidence to support the claims.
Tandykane 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 dear fellow... if they were scientific facts then the rest of the world would engage in the horrendous act. But they don't. There are no scientific facts. They are all american lies, and we don't buy them dear fellow. Just like WDM stories and lies, we don't buy them. The rest of the world has billions of intact men who reach over 80 years of age with no problems at all. These are all stories and childish myths and you have fallen for them "big time".
trident3b 4 days ago
@trident3b "Periodically infants DIE due to this vile procedure"
Via complications of the surgery, not circumcision itself. People die during orthodontist procedures & heart operations too. Surely you suggesting us boycotting them too? Being European you're know for bad dental hygene too so I suppose that could be a possibilty.
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1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 you extreme ignoramus. Have you been to Europe? There are less Europeans in the industrialized areas with bad teeth than the poor people in the US of which you have MASSES thanks to your internal policies. Next to no people have health insurance in the US at all. And you just compared a forced non therapeutic amputation of a infant penis to a heart operation! Do you realize what you have just said, and compared? Or are you pledging for non therapeutic heart ops now?
trident3b 1 week ago
@trident3b Further more. Yes I'm comparing a surgery of any type which benefits health. There are complications in all types of surgical procedures.
"Why don't you cut off your testicles etc" Testicles are needed foreskin is not. What billions throughout the ages, have had sex, masturbation, created new life and urinated without foreskin attached. Once again,mute point from you.
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1
"There are complications in all types of surgical procedures."
EXACTLY--and that is why we should not be performing unnecessary procedures on infants--the INHERENT harm and risks are totally unnecessary..and frankly irrational
Tandykane 1 week ago
@Tandykane
"EXACTLY--and that is why we should not be performing unnecessary procedures on infants"
Should I refraim from taking him to the dentist too? 0.3 - 0.6% chance of circumcision going wrong. I guess the same stats could be made for visiting the orthodontist, and other similar surgeries.
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1
0.3 - 0.6 % complication rate? Where do you get this number?
Again, can you prove that NT infant circumcision IS necessary?
Tandykane 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 so who are you to claim that the fs is not needed? This is the peak of arrogance & ignorance! I have it, & I NEED IT because I want to keep it for all the protection & the sexual pleasures it provides. You'll stoop to cutting it off a defenceless child since it is not in a position to protest & defend itself, but you don't can't & wouldn't DARE cut it off me or another adult since we would resist you because it belongs to us & WE NEED IT & WANT IT FOR ITS FUNCTION!
trident3b 4 days ago
@trident3b I got circumsized and im fine, people who make a big deal out of it are just fucking stupid, nothings wrong with me or any of my friends who also have been cut its simply rediculous the bullshit that comes outta peoples mouths now days, dont you think we have bigger issues in the world? Lets worry about the people being raped in other countries for being female and stop worrying about weither to cut a babies forskin off, dumbass people...
USABonez 3 days ago
@USABonez when did you get circ'd, as a baby or by choice? The other things are possibly being dealt with in the world, but this too is a subject that should not be dropped because people like you want it dropped. The infant was born with it as I was. I know what it feels like now (ecstatic & better than without) & how it protects so I unlike you DON'T want to lose it. If someone tried to remove it I'd remove their head. If you're happy in a mutilated condition then leave this forum.
trident3b 3 days ago
@USABonez
You are fine? What about the loss of up to 3/4 of your penile sensation and sensitivity? I would hardly call that "fine".
Sorry, but I don't accept relativistic morality as a justification for violating an infant's most basic right of bodily integrity--a greater evil does not erase the lesser evil.
Tandykane 3 days ago
@USABonez infact judging by your remark I'd take an educated guess & assume yours was hacked off at birth which means you can't know any better, you have learned to make do with what is left over & so it's 100% impossible for you to know what you're missing. You 'think' all is well. You get a kick out of the remains of your part & feel fine with what you have. You'd say the same if an eye had been removed. "hey dudes! I can see just fine! What's the problem with having an eye removed".
trident3b 3 days ago
@trident3b Make due with whats left? Oh you mean my entire penis which is still pleasurable and perfectly usable?? Very good point, now instead of bitching about something that doesnt effect anyone considering this topic has never been brought up to me from people who actually HAVE been circumsized lets worry about all the starving people on the street, get of the internet and do something productive, idiot.
USABonez 3 days ago
@USABonez well if you have your entire penis you're OK. It means you also have your foreskin since only with it is it complete. If it has been partially amputated you cannot speak of entire anymore but only partial. Some 10 to 20 or more 1000 sexually dedicated nerve endings are missing. Decapitated. Gone, forever. One can certainly make do with less, yes, but you were equipped with everything from the outset. Now it is devoid of crucial parts. Infants must keep what belongs to them.
trident3b 2 days ago
@USABonez to make these comments takes seconds. We're all capable of doing things that are useful the rest of the time. What you're telling us is that you require hours of time to respond in this forum, & if so, perhaps you should concentrate on other things. Gen' mutilation isn't trivial, it constitutes a severe assault on other human beings with life long negative consequenses & hence it must stop. In most civilized countries this isn't debated since such a crime isn't even committed
trident3b 2 days ago
@USABonez
"Oh you mean my entire penis which is still pleasurable and perfectly usable?? " You seem confused--thinking that your remaining penis is a complete penis and is fully functional? It is not..you have lost the most sensitive part.. Just because you believe it is complete--nature and reality states otherwise.
Tandykane 2 days ago
@trident3b Oh and one last thing, aint it funny how a slut can argue women rights about abortion but when the same HYPOCRITES talk about circumsision its not longer about "rights" its attacking a child? But we dont put the same standards on attacking a fetus? Just do yourself a favor and shut your mouth because if this conversation continues im gonna have to make you feel bad, now if you'll excuse me I got better things to do with my life than talking to an idiot, like feedin the homeless.
USABonez 3 days ago
@USABonez I invite you to attempt to make me and others 'feel bad'. You can't win since the initial assault on a defenceless infant that destroys it's sexuality will never constitute a rational argument such that it can make me or others 'feel bad'. Those who commit such atrocities to their children should, at the very least, 'feel bad'. Comparing the partial destruction of a born child's sexual organ to abortion is a ludicrous comparison. Abortion is a totally different subject.
trident3b 2 days ago
@USABonez at least your feeding the homeless is applaudable. The world would be a better place if MANY prob's could be dealt with. A gov' system that really does care for its people (the US does not as can be seen by the need of your efforts & help as you describe) as well as also leaving infants intact i.e. not unnecessarily mutilating them leaving them irreparably damaged for the rest of their lives, would be better. Homelessness, starvation, Gen Mutilation etc. all of it must stop!
trident3b 2 days ago
@USABonez
Geez, now we try to introduce the abortion canard--sorry dud, but take it to an abortion forum--here we are discussing male circumcision.
You gonna make US feel bad? With the missing nerves, it is YOU that is already feeling poorly.
Tandykane 2 days ago
@Tandykane Missing nerves? No I just cant stand stupidity and you're the one who is stupid enough to argue instead of taking action and doing something productive with your life, so good job you're officially a loser, btw its spelled card and dude, nice job on spelling.
USABonez 2 days ago
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trident3b 1 day ago
@USABonez
Missing nerves? afraid so:
BRITISH JOURNAL OF UROLOGY, Volume 77, Pages 291-295,February 1996.
The prepuce: Specialized mucosa of the penis and its loss to circumcision
by J.R. Taylor, A.P. Lockwood and A.J. Taylor
Missing sensations and sensitivity? Afraid so:
Fine-touch pressure thresholds in the adult penis Morris L. Sorrells, James L. Snyder, Mark D. Reiss 2 0 07 BJU INTERNATIONAL 2007
Nice insults and name-calling--come back when you have some facts.
Tandykane 1 day ago
@USABonez
"btw its spelled card and dude, nice job on spelling." LOL, look up "canard", and yes you are a dud--as in a failed bullet.
BTW, what makes you assume that I do not engage in other intactivist activities?
Tandykane 1 day ago
@Tandykane btw unless you have something worth substance to say future comments will be ignored, I dont have time to argue with a self rightous idiot on youtube about something this pointless who refuses to get off there ass and do something about the issues in the world, goodbye.
USABonez 2 days ago
I should clarify before I leave , the damage is usually between the frenulum and the foreskin. Many frenulums are significant in length to support full gliding in intercourse, therefore occasionally tearing, taking weeks to heal.
Laters! :)
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
And for someone who's uncut and according to his own "medical claims posts" should be satisfied being uncut, more than a cut guy being cut, he's so bitter and seems so depressed about it. Go figure.
I mean he's obsessed with circumcision. A normal satisfied uncut guy wouldn't be, surely.
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1
yet more EVIDENCE you have to deal with:
A Preliminary Poll of Men Circumcised in Infancy or Childhood
T. Hammond, BJU International (83, Suppl. 1), p. 85-92, January, 1999 circumcised intact
Satisfied 38% 78%
Dissatisfied 20% 3%
Ambivalent 41% 17%
Tandykane 1 week ago
@reyjalapeno
Tandyboy also likes to post medical surveys that agree with his opinion, but when I countered them in the past, he called them either biased or simply ignored them. Which is exactly what you can expect from someone ignorant and bitter from his childhood.
I stopped replying to his silly posts, so he started posting totally bogus stats about how many are cut worldwide/ how many are satisfied etc. To try get me to reply. He really is a pathetic attention seeker. Lol.
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
@reyjalapeno
Anyways, good luck with the toll. Though if I would you I'd do what I do and ignore his attention seeking.
Stay safe :)
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
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@1TheLoneWolf1
"Anyways, good luck with the toll. Though if I would you I'd do what I do and ignore his attention seeking." Thanks for the advice--but hardly compelling from someone with NO evidence.
Tandykane 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 good Idea, lets go get our GFs to give us a BJ! Hahahaha!
reyjalapeno 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1
Yes, we are impressed with your attempted dismissal by claims of bias, but sadly you have never been able to disqualify them with proof that bias has affected the conclusions.
Bitter from childhood? ANYthing other than assumptions to back up this claim?
Tandykane 1 week ago
His Body, HIS choice. Leave those penises alone. You want to cut some genitals? Go cut your own. Quit forcing cosmetic genital cutting on infants.
JaelynSmith89 1 week ago
@JaelynSmith89 to the point. Totally agree.
trident3b 1 week ago
@trident3b
I wasn't circumcised as a baby so I can compare sex both cut, and uncut.
I know from personal experience I'm not losing out in sensations during sex. Sure the gliding isn't present but the pressure, and pleasure on the glans is far greater, blowjobs are more fun and I can go rougher because their's no foreskin to damage.
Handjobs aren't as fun. But I'm married, I don't need handjobs :D
Anyway, I've said all I needed to on the matter.
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 ha ha ! Did you see this one guys comment:"I'm not circumcised so I don't need blowjobs"? I mean really, nobody needs one ,they're just fun as hell to get!
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1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
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@reyjalapeno Yeah, a lot of what he says his bullshit. I stopped replying to it
We have different opinions neither of us are going to agree with the others so I see no point wasting more time on him. I'm glad to be cut. I've had experience being both cut and uncut ,
He says I have a loss of sensitivity.I'll tell you now if the sensation was any greater, I wouldn't enjoy it. It's just perfect. And if that's 'mutilation'? I for one am glad to be 'mutilated' then LOL!
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
@reyjalapeno
You never saw the Laumann study that showed that cut men resort to more varied sexual practices..
"As shown in Table 4, NHSLS data indicate that circumcised men engage in a somewhat more elaborated set of sexual practices than do men who are not circumcised. For each of the practices examined, lifetime experience of various forms of oral and anal sex and masturbation frequency in the past year, circumcised men engaged in these behaviors at greater rates.
Tandykane 1 week ago
@reyjalapeno
And what you said about him how he's just like an impertinent teenager is also true.
To me he sounds like someone who's bitter because he was teased at school for looking different to the rest of his peers, and he now gets a thrill out of calling nearly half of all men on the planet mutilated. . If that was the case, circumcision wouldn't be the most popular cosmetic procedure on the planet.
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1
Again with the complete inability to refute the evidence, so character assassination is the game plan?
And I hate to tell you but rebuttal by assumptions is hardly credible.
The most popular cosmetic practice in the world? is this by choice, or by force?
Tandykane 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1
then can you provide a LOGICAL and evidenced-based explanation as to HOW and WHT the loss of up toi 3/4 of your penile sensation and sensitivity CANNOT result in a loss of pleasure.
Especially in the light of there being far fewer and almost no specialized nerves in the glans.
Tandykane 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1
"I can go rougher"
Sure you can, and more importantly NEED it due to loss of sensation, but this is what knowing women do NOT like..
BJU INTERNATIONAL, Volume 83, Supplement 1, Pages 79-84,January 1, 1999.
The effect of male circumcision on the sexual enjoyment of the female partner.
K. O'HARA and J. O'HARA
Tandykane 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 of course you're entitled to your opinion. If you're not losing out on sensations then u didn't perceive them in the first place & so one must assume yours was defect from the outset in as much as your 1000s of fs nerve endings didn't work. I don't believe u simply because the overwhelming majority (BILLIONS of men) DO enjoy the fs sensations. You're most likely in denial (who would admit to an error). Mine feels simply ecstatic meaning I'd NEVER have it removed.
trident3b 1 week ago
@trident3b LOL You're about as bad as Tandyboy discrediting one's opinion. My foreskin was normal. I had the prodedure done for the hygene and health benefits which are a proven fact. To say that my own experience is irrelevant, is just a dirty cheap shot. I can do just the same back and call your own insufficient because you haven't been circ'd. "overwhelming majority are uncut" I'd hardly call 3 in 5 a overwhelming majorty. A majority btw that's decreasing as we speak.
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 most of the world is not mutilated, if you deny that you are misguided to a spectacular degree. Europe (500 mil people) Russia just about everywhere except the religiously motivated, americans and demented Filipinos, are in a normal condition non mutilated condition with fully functional normal sexual organs as nature had intended them to be.
trident3b 1 week ago
@trident3b
I thought the definition of a troll was someone who posted to disrupt.
Lone wolf seems to think a troll is anyone who refutes his subjective beliefs with evidence.
Tandykane 1 week ago
@Tandykane indeed. What can I say. Typical.
trident3b 1 week ago
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@1TheLoneWolf1
"My foreskin was normal. I had the procedure done for the hygene and health benefits which are a proven fact."
PROVEN? Can you provide a single scientifically PROVEN benefit?
Intact numbers are decreasing? Not in non-religious instances..
Here are the countries that routinely did non-religious circumcision-- with their previous high and present rates
Aust: 55 - 10
UK: 55 - <1
US: 90 - 53 (33, if you believe the CDC)
NZ: 90 - <1
Can: 45 - 10
Tandykane 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 "I had the prodedure done for the hygene and health benefits which are a proven fact" Proven fact??!! Supply the evidence! You can't, there is none since it is pure fiction. Periodically infants DIE due to this vile procedure. Is that healthy? No one should ever die as a result of non therapeutic permanently damaging cosmetic surgery, especially when done to defenceless infants. You just enjoy your self chosen mutilated state & please stop suggesting it to others!!
trident3b 1 week ago
@trident3b cont -A majority that's decreasing as circ;d rates are increasing drastically across the African continent, and also along with the rising islamic birthrate (which is the highest birthrate in the world)
But all said and done, none of that matters. I don't see the point to this debate, if you're anti circumcision/hygene, don't circumcise, pretty simple really.
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 I'm certainly not anti hygiene! I'm VERY much for it, but decapitation of crucial body parts is not a method of hygiene, washing is! Women suffer far more in that department but nothing or theirs is gouged out to save on personal hygiene. You might as well have your armpits removed to then since if you don't shower the stench as a result of bacteria can be noticed by people standing 2 feet away! The hygiene argument is more than ultra grotesque. Are you american?
trident3b 1 week ago
@trident3b
"don't believe u simply because the overwhelming majority (BILLIONS of men) DO enjoy the fs sensations"
Just like the overwhelming majority of circumcised males enjoy their sensations during sex. Mute point on your behalf. As I've said previously, I was uncut and my fs worked fine. So yes my experience is valid. cut feels better. End of story. Dont agree? Fine but stop telling me my own experience is wrong. Mute point.
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 If cut feels better why are so many american men trying to "get it restored". There are loads of reports of people who were coerced into getting it done later & bitterly regret it. Losing 1000s of sexual nerve endings & drying out an internal organ cannot be better. You stick with your condition then and stay away. Why are YOU here trying to promote an atrocity? If you think you're ok, fine, but infants MUST be left intact and not be mutilated. That penis is theirs.
trident3b 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1
"Just like the overwhelming majority of circumcised males enjoy their sensations during sex." Yes, and that overwhelming majority have never known the pleasure of an intact penis--ignorance is bliss, denial is divine, and CHOSEN ignorance is a religious experience.
HOW can it feel better with the loss of the majority of penile nerves and almost all of the specialized nerves?--please provide to support your claim.
Tandykane 1 week ago
@trident3b
And finally. As I've said to your bitter friend below. We'll never agree. So I see no point in carrying on a worthless discussion on YT when I could be doing more worthwhile things in evenings off from work. Don't like circumcision? Fine don't do it to yourself, or your sons. Quit pissing and moaning around youtube on a insignificant topic.
One would think circumcision & foreskin was the most important event in the world right now, the way you trolls moan about it. Laters!
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
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@1TheLoneWolf1
"One would think circumcision & foreskin was the most important event in the world right now, the way you trolls moan about it. Laters!" So the basic human right of bodily integrity is not worth defending?
Tandykane 1 week ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 There are plenty who had it done later & they bitterly regret it (see 'circumsized at 18' on YT). Also I find your descriptions suspect. "can go rougher"? So you smash away like a rabbit? A keratinized penis & the lack of 1000s of nerve endings is tantamount to better sex? Who are you trying to kid (except yourself)? Damage to the f’skin? We NEVER hear of damage to the fs here in Europe. Why would a fs get "damaged" during sex with a lubricated woman? Most bizarre!
trident3b 1 week ago
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@trident3b
First of all, my last comment on this. seriously it's like arguing over which color is best.
I do not smash away like a rabbit. My point was something 10% of uncut guys suffer fs related injuries a year, I don't have to worry about that.
yes some guys who got cut later in life regret, probably due to how well the procudure was done, rather than circ' itself.
"Damage to the f’skin? We NEVER hear of damage to the fs here in Europe." Look it up on google. It's a fact.
1TheLoneWolf1 1 week ago
So, a serious question which you then dismiss frivolously.
Hi. I'm a guy. I think I can probably speak for all guys when I say *we* are the ones who should be deciding what our penises look like, not you. They're not for you. They're ours. Please remember this the next time some dilweed Republican tries to pass a law regulating what you can do with your uterus. THIS IS THE SAME EVIL SHIT. Dumbasses.
nfinn42 1 week ago
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And finally, the glans and inner skin folds in an uncut member are far more moist, creating a breeding ground for bacterial, viral and other forms of infection to grow such as STIs / STDs, HIV in hetrosexual couplings, odure, urinary tract infections, also more likely to injure during sex. is This enough to consider circumcision? We're not going to agree on it that's obvious so there's no point in carrying on this discussion. My penis does what it's supposed to & is healthy and clean too :).
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@alnot01 "nearly all mammals have some sort of sheath for the tip of their penis"
Which rolls back permanently when preparing for, and during intercourse There's no sexual benefits for their sheath In fact it's sole purpose is to protect their glans in the wild "Hence it presumptuous to prune the penis given the current state of knowledge"
I agree You made the presumption and I corrected you on it The human body's still evolving excessive body hair was once considered natural too.
1TheLoneWolf1 2 weeks ago
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1TheLoneWolf1 2 weeks ago
I HATE being circumcised! I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT!!!! dont cut your kid!!! because you dont know if theyll be happy with it!! LET THEM MAKE THE CHOICE!!! you dont want your kid to hate you for this do you???
EATFLUFFYBUNNY 2 weeks ago
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The foreskin contains more nerve endings than any other part of the penis, that's just fact. In the largest study on circumcision in South Korea, Seoul University found 33% of men who were circumcised reported difficulty attaining sexual gratification, 63% said masturbation less enjoyable, and 11% had "frequent" orgasm difficulties.
(source: Kim and Peng, Seoul University, 2004)
Ladies, what to know what it feels like? Your clitoral hood is anatomically analogous.
tipoomaster 2 weeks ago
Morons!
FireProf1 3 weeks ago
WOW..I don't even know what to say..I'm stunned at your "views" expressed in this video, mainly because you're basing your opinions on appearance.
I think you should both do some research on the subject before you make such a foul video.
Elephant truck (sulk) vs. mushroom (smile) = What the hell? Have you considered ANYTHING else in regards to circumcision besides appearance? Obviously not.
You're not only offensive and disappointing, but incredibly uneducated about this. Horrible.
AprilBaby2011 1 month ago
@AprilBaby2011 : Agreed. And the job of the penis is not to LOOK good but to FEEL good. It is not eye candy for horny women. Which means that having a competent opinion about cut and uncut requires bonking several guys of each kind, without a condom. Not a lifestyle I can endorse, but hey, good data doesn't come cheap...
alnot01 2 weeks ago
seriously? no one has the right (or they should realize they don't) to cut the genitalia of another person's body! the idea that somehow a mans penis is not perfect just as he is born makes me sick..wake up and STOP HARMING people, babies no less! ugh!!
private parts are private property!!
oh2love4love 1 month ago
This video is pure stupidity. Tell you what, screw whatever kind of penis you want, but don't tell mothers to cut their babies.
frowniebrown86 1 month ago 10
Apparently these ladies have not looked at their own vaginas. Vaginas are fuckin scary. They have folds, skin over skin wrapped in more skin. Then some women fail to realize that a penis is just a giant clit. So if you believe it is ok to cut the foreskin of men then you also would be ok cutting the hood of the clit. BTW i have never seen yeast infection medication for men. Only women. How gross are Vaginas that they get infected and smell like fish? Circumcision is wrong...period.
ThingsThatVexMe 1 month ago
@ThingsThatVexMe : the seeming logic here, however despicable, is accepted in many parts of sub-Saharan Africa and in some other Moslem parts of the world. The mindset that deems the foreskin vile easily concludes that the clit hood or inner lips are also vile. Then of course there is the notion that sexual desire disgraces a woman (go figure!?!) and so we cut out her clitoris before she marries. The strong urge to carve the genitalia shows how perverted humans can be.
alnot01 2 weeks ago
Dumb whores!!! They should mutilate themselves immediately,like all women supporting the mutilation of infants,otherwise shut the fuck up,because they have no right to advocate mutilation on other than themselves!
superesterhazy 1 month ago 29
Also wiki states around 33%, not that I base too much trust on wiki itself, but it does cite several sources, now seriously, this is my last post. I really don't care one way or another, unlike you.
Get over yourself.
1TheLoneWolf1 1 month ago 3
@1TheLoneWolf1
Sorry, but the "lemming" argument certainly does nothing for your argument.
There will always be stupid, ignorant, superstitious people. but regardless of the numbers of them, it hardly justifies the senseless mutilation of children..
If you can come up with a rational ethical justification for the genital mutilation of helpless children, you might have an intelligent argument.
Tandykane 1 month ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 If someone has the cast of mind as Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens, that's it, end of subject! It's all a delusion, and the Prof. Tandykane Foundation for Enlightening People Stupider Than Prof. Tandykane has just proved by statistics that people who go against the accepted anti-stance know little about the argument and somehow don't believe what they think either.
TheTradWarrior 2 weeks ago
@TheTradWarrior
This is so typical of many circumcisers, they cannot rationally defend their obsession with infant mutilation, and cannot refute the evidence, so they must resort to ad hominem attacks and childish attempt at character assassination--
Character assassination is the last refuge of the incompetent.
Tandykane 2 weeks ago
@Tandykane Just to be clear, You have'nt any character to attack, You are just a strange little troll who knows a lot about foreskin but not much about anything else.Its interesting to note that 90% of your clever things to say are in fact things people have said to you over time,Empirical evidence is clear:90% of people think you are a jerk. And please, don't bother trying your"its about protecting children shtick,everybody knows thats not why you are here.You're just plain weird.
reyjalapeno 1 week ago
@reyjalapeno
Having difficulty with facts and evidence much?
Tandykane 1 week ago
@Tandykane Youre such a child.there's no point in discussing anything with you,I only have some small difficulty with bullshit which you happen to be full of.if it makes you feel any better those girls did'nt reject you because of your foreskin,that was just their excuse,they did it because you are a grade A jerk.
reyjalapeno 1 week ago
@reyjalapeno
So, you still have no evidence or logic to the discussion, and the best you have to offer is childish insults and name-calling..we get it already.
Tandykane 1 week ago
@Tandykane I personally found it a very mature and well put insult! and it suits you to a "T"!
reyjalapeno 1 week ago
@reyjalapeno
then I guess we differ on the concept of "mature", AND insults in place of content is, in MY opinion, not very mature.
Speaking of well-mannered posting, ever think of trying it yourself instead of childish taunts and name-calling?
Tandykane 1 week ago
@Tandykane You are the one who went there first and they actually are'nt insults ,they are scientific facts based on a study of you. I notice that just like an impertinent teenager,you simply must have the last word even if its no better than a eloquent "Nyah nyah nyah"My post was'nt adressed to you anyway, so please annoy somebody else,thank you ever so much.
reyjalapeno 1 week ago
@reyjalapeno
So, again, I reiterate, since you have no scientific data to support your claims, you need to resort to character assassination--which is the last refuge of the incompetent..
And as for a "scientific analysis" of me, what evidence is this "analysis based on?
Tandykane 1 week ago
@Tandykane as I've said, you've yet to display any character . cant shoot whatis'nt there.
reyjalapeno 1 week ago
@reyjalapeno
"you've yet to display any character "
Now to the "too cute" phase?
Tandykane 1 week ago
@Tandykane Don't fret,Im sure You'll be able to use it a little later sometime on someone else.Heres another long as Im here: Youre an ass.hahahahahahahaha, sorry its just that intelligent repartee is impossible with a loon such as yourself that this is the only thing you are any good for.Oh yeah and you post like a fag"have problems with facts much?" hahahahahahaha. what a f*kin schmuck.
reyjalapeno 1 week ago
@reyjalapeno
So, your idea of an intelligent debate is an insult smack down? Too bad you cannot engage in a logical, evidence-based discussion..and this from one who complains about others being trolls? Gotta love the projection.
Tandykane 1 week ago
@Tandykane No,my idea of an intelligent debate is talking to someone other than you.And remember:they arent insults they are facts,based on a comprehensive study in a controlled enviroment: " A-holes on Youtube:Fact or fiction? by Drs. Chili and pepper"
reyjalapeno 1 week ago
Actually it's between 30 and 40% newborns are circumcised. Rising with the rising islamic birth rate.
1TheLoneWolf1 1 month ago
@1TheLoneWolf1
Sure, and there IS a Santa Claus. Muslims may breed like rabbits, but not nearly enough to double the circumcision rate.
Tandykane 1 month ago
@Tandykane
So you deny the fact that muslims make up 1/4 of the world population? Its a fact. I dont like the religion, or any religion, but the fact is they breed more than anyone else, hence the rising circumcision rates.
1TheLoneWolf1 1 month ago
@1TheLoneWolf1
Do your math, you will find it is about 20%, and no matter how fast they breed they cannot account for 40%.
Tandykane 1 month ago
@Tandykane
Last reply. Seriously dude you need help, but I'll answer this one before I leave.
Muslims alone ;25% of new born males are muslim. 5% males born are Jewish. Add the Phillipines, and some parts of Asia where circumcision cultures are also dominant, Then Europe where it's around 3% You get a figure between 30 and 40% Or roughly 2 in 5 newborns.
1TheLoneWolf1 1 month ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 : Jews are 0.3% of the human race. Muslims 20%. Korea & Philippines circumcise, as do many Polynesian and African tribes. 30% of the human race at most, says the WHO. The only societies with a high standard of living where routine circ is the norm are South Korea... and USA.
alnot01 2 weeks ago
@alnot01
1 in 4 humans (1.75bn) call themselves muslims. I'm pretty sure that adds to 25% unless my math is wrong.
Also when you look back in history, most of the big civilisations at their peak. practiced circumcision
ie The British empire at it's peak early-mid 20th C. The Arab lands when they lead the world in medicine in the early centuries AD even before the spread of islam.
Theres evidence also to suggest it was common practice in Ancient Egypt Also the US at it's peak mid 20th C
1TheLoneWolf1 2 weeks ago
@1@alnot01
I really don't care one way or another. I'm not going to spend my free time justifying someone I'm more or less neutral on.
However to call it mutilation and suggest that over 1 in 3 men worldwide are somehow 'broken' because they lack and peice of wrinkly skin is ridiculous.
Circumcision predates modern religion, and has at some point being at least common in most high civilisations.
If you don't like it, don't cut your kid, regrow your foreskin, quit moaning.
1TheLoneWolf1 2 weeks ago
@1TheLoneWolf1
Sorry, but irrational excuses do not a justification make.. Neither does ignorance--educate yourself on the subject and rational people are not blase about harming children..
Cut men have a damaged penis..with a loss of up to 3/4 of their sensation and sensitivity:
Fine-touch pressure thresholds in the adult penis Morris L. Sorrells, James L. Snyder, Mark D. Reiss 2 0 07 BJU INTERNATIONAL 2007
Tandykane 2 weeks ago
@Tandykane
Here we go, the anti-circ troll with multiple accounts speaks once again.
You claim I'm speaking irrational? You speak purely based on an emotional context.
There have been many many studies throughout the ages that suggest various healthy benefits to circumcision.
You should take my advise and seek help for your insecurities. It's obviously a major issue for you. Don't pin it on activism, I see through the excuses. As I said previously, It's not an issue for me,
1TheLoneWolf1 2 weeks ago
@1TheLoneWolf1
Trying the emotional crap--into projection much?
Then wander into the amateur psychobabble crap--into projection much?
Multiple accounts? Into projection much?
You seem into a lot of projection--too bad you are not into evidence and facts as much.
Tandykane 2 weeks ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 Ha-ha! Well said, Lone Wolf. Bullies and trolls like this need to be stood up to.
TheTradWarrior 2 weeks ago
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1TheLoneWolf1 2 weeks ago
@1TheLoneWolf1
"And to suggest that almost half of all men throughout the last 4,000 years is in some way damaged is ridiculous and hilarious."
Not a suggestion, but a scientific FACT...
Fine-touch pressure thresholds in the adult penis Morris L. Sorrells, James L. Snyder, Mark D. Reiss 2 0 07 BJU INTERNATIONAL 2007
Yes, there are some mental issues, but I think they belong with those obsessed with mutilating infants for no rational reason.
Tandykane 2 weeks ago
@Tandykane
And you very conveniently ignore than MANY research studies which suggest health benefits for both man and partner. Also the research (posted on CDC) which suggests an INCrease in sensitivity for circumcised males.
You appear to only accept the evidence that agrees with your opinion.
Your comment on *projection* it's self evident that it's a personal issue for you. You were either teased for being uncut, or one of the unfortunate few who had a botched circumcision.
1TheLoneWolf1 2 weeks ago
@1TheLoneWolf1
So, you claim there are questionable & flawed studies and believe you have settled the discussion?
Would it be asking for too much for you to present hard evidence that these "benefits"
are seen in the real world?
HOW can there be an INCREASE in sensitivity with missing nerves? ANY logical and evidence to explain this?
But thanks for the amateur psychobabble.
Tandykane 2 weeks ago
@1TheLoneWolf1
"suggest"
We are talking about forced mutilation of children, and the best you have is "suggest"--I would think rational people would demand PROVEN.
Tandykane 2 weeks ago
@Tandykane
And that really was my last comment regardless of how ridiculous and incorrect your next post is.
I hate getting tied down and debating with ignorant people, who can't see past their own nose.
It's pointles, and the circumcision dabate is kind of boring, even if medically necessary, I don't want to spend my full evenings after work discussing it.
1TheLoneWolf1 2 weeks ago
@1TheLoneWolf1
"I hate getting tied down and debating with ignorant people, who can't see past their own nose."
Funny that was my thoughts exactly since I seem to have evidence, and you have none.
Tandykane 2 weeks ago
@Tandykane You're beginning to sound like a parrot again Tandy. Can't you get over the fact that not many people actually agree with you?
Repeating the same tired old prejudices ad nauseam does not make your case any stronger, it just makes you look foolish. Snyder and Reiss.....Sneider and Reiss........Sorrells and O'Hara.....Sorrell's and O'Hara................zzzzzzz
TheTradWarrior 2 weeks ago
@TheTradWarrior
ZZZ? Is this an attempt to hide the fact that you have nor cogent rebuttal? How childish!
A published scientific study is a "prejudice"? No wonder you advocate circumcision, you don't even recognize what is evidence.
Tandykane 2 weeks ago
@Tandykane
And finally, I'll reiterate for the flast time. I DON'T CARE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
I recognise there are health benefits inline with circumcision. Which is why my three sons,(and any future ones) have had the procedure.
But I won't piss and moan around on youtube on an issue which really isn't relevant to me. Everyone I know has had it done, and to call us 'broken' men (for a lack of an inch of skin) is a great joke. One to tell the guys down at the bar this evening.
1TheLoneWolf1 2 weeks ago
@1TheLoneWolf1
"I recognise there are health benefits inline with circumcision. Which is why my three sons,(and any future ones) have had the procedure."
REALLY, would you share with us those PROVEN benefits you believe exist? Or are they merely a belief on your part--and an excuse for your actions?
"(for a lack of an inch of skin)" Ignorant much?
BRITISH JOURNAL OF UROLOGY, Volume 77, Pages 291-295,February 1996.
Ignorance is bliss! Bliss away!
Tandykane 2 weeks ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 : If you were neutral, you would not bother to comment. I never say "mutilate." I have nothing to regrow. Some circumcised men are damaged, many aren't. The damage often does not set in until 50 or later, when aging is blamed. Many great civilisations (Japan, China, Germany, Greece, Rome, UK during the Industrial Revol., the American Founding Fathers, Genghis Khan) did not circumcise.
alnot01 2 weeks ago
@alnot01
"If you were neutral, you would not bother to comment"
True, My original comment was to point out a misconception made by someone a while back.
This will be my last comment on the matter. What's your point on the age of muslim circumcision? How does this affect the numbers of circumcised males in the world? Which was the point I was originally making. cont>>>
1TheLoneWolf1 2 weeks ago