Intelligent Design and Creationism/Evolution Controversy

[BillSmithinSiheung]

Mogley52 went to Bob Jones University. Pathetic.

[lexdimond1]

What about the gravity / strong man holding the earth controversy?

[1tabligh]

What is called science by the *science-worshippers* of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality*, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.

All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.

[rayoat]

Controversy? These isnt 1, evolution works.

[AntiChrista4WPeace]

DARwin saw in an ape, Marilyn Monroe.

[TChapman500]

@7:42

You are twisting our words to mean something completely different than what they are intended to mean. Yes it's only Creation or evolution, but we do need positive evidence for Creation, and we have evidence for creation. If you're going to play along with us, play fair and don't twist our words, which so far, you've done through this entire video.

[TheScienceFoundation]

@TChapman500 'we have evidence for creation'

Such as?

[TChapman500]

@TheScienceFoundation I send you a PM with some resources.

[TheScienceFoundation]

@TChapman500 I think you're misunderstanding what a theory is in science. A theory isn't a claim or assertion. To be considered a theory, creationism would require a workable hypothesis, testable mechanisms and useful falsifiable predictions. None of which has been provided.

[TChapman500]

Evolution is taught as a fact by means of brainwashing people with false information and censoring information to make sure it can't refute evolution.

There are several creation theories out there. Only one is supported by the creation model. God created everything at once, in perfect condition, but sin destroyed the perfection.  That's the only creation theory supported by the model. Other creation theories are examined and rejected by the creation model.

[TheScienceFoundation]

@TChapman500 So what is the creation theory and which part of biodiversity does it empirically explain which evolution doesn't or not as well?

[majinvi74]

evolution theory,

creation theory

i.d theory

there all theories so i say teach em all, but change i.d theory to less adding biblical ideas cus thats why theres a creation theory.

[TomFynn]

@majinvi74 Evolution is a fact in the same way as gravity is fact.

ID (which is nothing but creationism relabeled) is not a theory. It is a faith.

[Mogley52]

Once there is a complete and living cell then the genetic code (or program) and biological mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells with their own DNA and protein molecules. The problem is how did DNA, proteins, and life come about when there was no already existing directing code and mechanisms in nature. (From the Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM).

[TheScienceFoundation]

@Mogley52 That doesn't 'refute atheism' in any way. It's just an argument from incredulity and one pretty lacking in the last 50 years of biochemical research knowledge.

[lapmarty]

@Mogley52 that is idiotic, you miss some information dig a bit deeper and youll find it,

how can water exist when there was no water, we know that water is h2o, so before water there was hydrogen and oxygen, same for dna, primitive cell didnt reproduce, but dna trought duplication began, and since it is a selfish process it have since duplicate itsef ots of nonsence in what you say

[wr4id619]

There is no controversy. Just the stubborness and idiocy of some people.

[MrBaniboy]

"God is a serial creator", I was expecting "serial killer" when I heard serial. I'm a cereal creator myself, too!

[820423]

The arrows in the bullseyes, at around 45min in, would make me believe Disney's Robin Hood was true, and that we should force a disarm procedure amongst all local foxes, and tax all lions equally.

[thraxman]

Great video, Dr. Scott is brilliant speaker.

[Daibhidh464]

I'm a creationist and I don't believe God created everything in their present form. I don't believe He created a poodle and I don't believe He created man as he currently looks, but I do believe God created the prehistoric creatures according to their kinds, so that elephants came from mammoths and poodles came from ancient wolf like dogs. But I don't believe once upon a time, a long long time ago, that some pus evolved into something which evolved into something, etc, etc, etc.

[TheScienceFoundation]

@Daibhidh464 'but I do believe God created the prehistoric creatures according to their kinds'

Evidence? 'But I don't believe once upon a time, a long long time ago, that some pus evolved into something which evolved into something,'

Neither do I nor anyone I know, but thanks for clearing that up.

You seem to be under the impression that simply believing or not believing something makes it true or untrue

[Daibhidh464]

@TheScienceFoundation, I believe = I'm of the opinion that. Opinions don't make anything true or untrue, that's why there is objection truth outside of our own opinions.

[TheScienceFoundation]

@Daibhidh464 Well we're talking science here.

[endthedisease]

There really isn't any evolution/creationism controversy anymore. Evolution has won.

[TheScienceFoundation]

@endthedisease True, but there is still some political clamor aimed at the right in order to try to shoehorn ID/creationism into public schools.

[FiverBeyond]

@endthedisease

It's only won on the scientific forum. There's still a big debate in the common public (sadly), and a very powerful group of people who are trying to make it a political debate as well.

[PinkProgram]

Why is this allowed to be an issue? ID and creationism is not science. If humans were created by an intelligent agent then that agent deserves to be slapped for incompetence ^_^

[RDoubleSCo]

@PinkProgram Well saying God did it or saying a Big Bang (both haven't and can never be proven) is not science, its a faith. You need to believe that it happen. You can't prove the big bang, also there this thing called the horizon problem that disproves the big bang. look it up

[LogicalThinker667]

@RDoubleSCo i don't see what the Big bang has to do with Evolution

[riotguards]

@RDoubleSCo you just provided your own fallacy since you claim that the "horizon problem" without providing creditable links, etc, etc

[PinkProgram]

@RDoubleSCo who says I believe anything. Current hypothesis backed by data is two or more 11 dimensional membranes colliding to form a 10 dimensional bubble. From the perspective of a 4 dimensional axis it appears to be a linear expansion but is actually a spheroid.

[DasKrabbe]

@PinkProgram

M-theory is not backed by data.

[PinkProgram]

@DasKrabbe so then what do you think is backed by the data? I don't make claims without good reason.

[LeksServices]

@RDoubleSCo - What does cosmology and astrophysics have to do with evolutionary biology? Are you telling me you ask your mechanic if that lump on your skin is cancerous, and expecting him to give you not only a competent answer but reasonably effective treatment?

[TheGodlessGuitarist]

@RDoubleSCo

"You can't prove the big bang"

That's just silly. If a man appears at your front door claiming that he beamed there from out of space, but you look behind him and see footprints in the snow leading to your front door which mach the size of his shoes and the tread pattern, are you seriously saying that to conclude he lied and actually walked to your door would be a faith based position?

There is no 'horizon problem' for Big Bang theory, if only you would take the time to learn!

[saxmanchiro]

I hope the NCSE is keeping an eye on Oklahoma.