You are talking rubbish. Muslim lands have had Christians for 1400 years. 10% of egypt is Christian. In fact, the Muslim world has a better record of treating minorities, than europe's anti-semitic/anti-black, anti-gypsy (and now anti-Muslim) past. Go study history, then come back and talk.
I think many people confuse multiculturalism with mass immigration and the elimination of local culture ... multiculturalism CAN be a good thing, if you think it is rubbish, it's because you have accepted so many immigrants in such a short span of time, that it has effectively lead to "segraculturalism"
Education and religion should be separate. Religion is a private personal matter - learning is public matter. My school wasn't religious - thank goodness. I chose to go to Church and study faith outside of school. This is so important - as children should grow up and choose how they wish to believe. We shouldn't be taught to believe in god - we should choose to!! We need our children to mix - not be separated on the basis of faith.
@Stampeds1lent It is - I was nearly kidnapped by 4 Morrocans in Brussells, Belgium - I'm not the only one. I remember being in Belgium when it was safe and I could travel there alone - It is now a dangerous place where I am scared to go as a woman. Most Europen cities have significant areas which are now serious ghettos. I used to love traveling around Europe alone - its no longer safe to do this as I get harrassed by men constantly - mainly Turkish, Morrocan men.
multiculturism does not work!!! it hasnt it doesnt it wont i find britain is tolerant to other cultures but it is those cultures that dont tolerate britain and they dont want to follow the laws of our land they want the law of there own land here therefore british nationals are getting angry at other cultures for their disrespect of our country and theres your rift!! as for faith schools i went to a church school and it was full of athiests and other cultures and religions so im all for faith.
when people say multiculturalism is bad, do they mean like it is bad for people of different races to come and live in the same place? say, if we are to abandon multiculturalism, does it mean we are to kick out all the non white people in countries such as the UK? or,,, does it just mean, different cultures can not be easily coped with each other, and all the races should adopt one culture if they are to live in that particular place?
Never,Not once throughout history has a Muliticutrul country worked.It may work for a while but then it is fact as history has proven there will be bloodshed..Its just a matter of time for the modern western world..All races are differant,Its not just skin colour... Accept it.
For example look at the way that Asian girls in the clip is all over her White boyfriend(calm- down dear he is not going to runaway). That guy perhaps has a penchant towards Asian girls and thinks that all Asian girls have to act like her and have their tongue up his arse!Unfortunately Labour government went too far by giving too much freedom to newcomers and providing them with translators so their English remains zero;and it became I can get away with whatever I want. Brittain needs Sarkosy.
Multi Culturalism in Uk is nothing but a money making project. People of West go on about anticapitalism nowadays and how capitalism is not working. Then tell me how how the owners of these Kebab shops and chicken take away shops all drive a BMW and MERC. You don't see them complaining!Another problem with multiculturism us that a certain person of a race becomes a blue-print for other ethnics in Western people's eyes and start to compare you to other arse licking or arrogant ethnics..
Multiculturalism would be wonderful, if everyone would be more logical... If you are willing to accept a freedom, duty comes along with it. Duty to not obstruct other peoples freedom. Its that simple. In multicultural society bigotry has no place. Let alone for bigoted judgment. Freedom and solidarity are basic principals of humanity... regardless of nation, race or faith. Those principals unite EVERYONE. And they should be core of multiculturalism. I dont see any reason to dismiss it.
@CatherineDeLancret Being American I'm probably going to view this differently, but to me I don't see why multiculturalism is the opposite of western civilization. In the US we're a multicultural western civilization. Western civilization favors the individual and democracy. These also involve equality. Multiculturalism promotes equality, no?
@MeganHP13 Because your flooding the country with tens of millions of foreigners with different cultures and beliefs who are going to inherit your nation. Multiculturalism = Genocide. Europeans are being replaced in their own civilization. White Americans are going to be minorities in 20-30 years, same with England.
@CatherineDeLancret "Genocide: the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group". This isn't deliberate. And last time I checked we still have a large white majority, so I can assure you that white Americans definitely are not going to disappear in 20-30 years. Try 2000 to 3000 as a rough estimate.
@MeganHP13 Yes it is. Multiculturalism didn't accidentally happen. Our governments opened the flood gates without a vote or referendum and continue to do so against the best interest of Whites. White Americans will be a minority in their country by 2042 according to US government projection. Your not paying attention!
@CatherineDeLancret I don't know about Britain, but we welcome immigrants here. Multiculturalism has been a part of our country since we became a country. I don't really see what other races are going to do to you. How does an influx of immigrants hurt the "whites"? White americans: 197 million, or 63.7% of the US pop. Next largest Hispanics: 50 million, or only 16.3% So unless 100 million Hispanics show up in 30 years(highly unlikely), I think white Americans are fine.
@MeganHP13 I'm English, In England. It 'hurts' when, in front of the missus, I'm spat at and threatened with death in the street because I'm white.
We've recently moved to the city because of my work and we made a horrible mistake in the neighbourhood we chose to move to. My chance of dying brutally has shot up since moving here. I'm wanting to move back but my boss can't get me my old job back for the foreseeable future and I'd also have to accept less money. It also feels like giving in.....
@MeganHP13 England is a White country and has been so for thousand of years. Take a look at South Africa, that is the future for Europeans if they don't wake up to themselves. We account for 8% of the entire planet but seem to think the other 92% have the right to our countries. Yes. By 2042, by massive foreign immigration and high birth-rates of Non-Whites.
@CatherineDeLancret South Africa? That was originally all black? I think everyone has a right to immigrate wherever they want. And who cares if "whites are dying". Why is it a bad thing? It isn't genocide. I really don't see the problem.
@MeganHP13 Yes and look at how Whites are treated. Not against the will of the people in that country. Uh who cares if your race is dying? Are you kidding me?!
@CatherineDeLancret "Look at how Whites are treated" Haha was that a joke? They're treated like god damn royalty. And frankly no I don't care. Every race will die off eventually. Besides, there aren't many differences between white people and others. Try to think of it as one human race, not a whole bunch of separate races.
@MeganHP13 Are you retarded. There is a genocide take place against the White farmers it's up to stage 6 of 8. How insane do you have to be that you don't even care what happens to your own people? Foreigners LOVE self hating Whites, they have their own countries.
@CatherineDeLancret I'm pretty sure earlier I gave you the definition of genocide, go look. This is not genocide. I'm not a self-hating white, I'm just open to other races.
@MeganHP13 Is that why Asians; African; MiddleEasterns are and have been using whitening creams?! Reading an article about making the James Bond Film Octopussy in India mentione d how Indians touched white actors and actresses as they went by in the streets to bring them luck!? Another article in Africa they kill and eat Albino people to bring them good fortune!? They found a tribe in Africa 5 years ago who had a large picture of blue eyed blond hair Prince Philip of UK as their God.
@clance2002 Is that supposed to be directed at me? I said whites were treated like royalty. I'm not disagreeing with you, although I don't really get what you were trying to say.
@CatherineDeLancret Then I suggest you Whites start dropping babies, it's not non-Whites fault you Whites aren't having more babies with each other.You got 30 more years so get out there and get to Fucking.
Wake up! Especially you young folk who have been so thoroughly indoctrinated that we are "all the same" and "all equal". The reality is: we are not! These savages are revelling in their seventh century tent religion and will show no mercy to any of you when they form a majority. Get real and soon.
The failure of multicultralism is that different cultures have been deliberately smashed together by politicians, yet, instead of leaving us to intergrate, they are insisting that each culture should maintain its own seperate identity. Thats just fucking nuts. How the hell are we going to intergrate with one another if political rhetoric perpetuates division...the liberal left have totally fucked us all in the U.K. Never forgive, or forget what they have done
I think if all ethnic groups kicked out from Bretain,do u know what will happen in the future? ofcourse Bretain will fall dramaticaly loosing its economical,political,and stratigical position among the world,it will be bloody crisis man! think about it logicaly?
The jews are the ones behind multiculturalism,political correctness and open border policies in Europe and America with the intent of flooding our countries with millions of third worlders and destroying the European race...
people say remember our past, our past is who we are...we need to make ourselves, ok our past is pretty good, the legends of the Romans, Vikings etc, but we need to give as much input as they have to our society. What will our generation be remembered as ? those who couldnt let the past go ? or those who united cultures and religions, and held in thought that we are all human beings of the same race, and its time to help eachother live, long, happy lives
@Stampeds1lent I don't think when anyone voted for any politician they voted for mass, uncontrolled imigration. Turning parts of the UK into practically foreign cities. The white people who are angry at multiculturalism in places like Bradford aren't racist at all. All these people saying it's a good thing most likely haven't experienced what's actually happened in some places. If they were literally the only white person left in their hometown they'd quickly change their minds.
with regards to people being allowed to wear symbols in public, what if someone wanted to wear a swastika? they'd be condemned and accused of being a nazi when that isnt neccessarily the case as the swastika has much deeper roots than nazism. Why is it that some symbols in society are tolerated and others are not? if religions are allowed to wear things that represent them, then what about people from other groups?
@KrazyChick17 I think it comes down to what they are believed to represent. Most people don't know the swastikas roots and wearing one is little different to sporting a charlie chaplin 'tash and getting anti-nazi attention for it.
As for religions icons and attire, I would like to see them get proportional attention... that being tolerated (wear whatever you like), but openly ridiculed for the insanity they represent. That goes for all icons, be it Cross, Burka or Colander.
@KrazyChick17 It's not the symbols themselves, it's the things that they represent. Although the swastika has it's roots in Hinduism, people associate it to Nazism for obvious reasons. And as the secular world is beginning to realise, religion does nothing but seperate people. Religious symbols are beginning to be associated with oppression, and it won't be long till they are banned in public places. And good riddance.
@Dave25892 I'm for certain religious symbols such as the cross and I could perhaps tolerate the headscarf (as long as non muslim kids were allowed to wear hats into class and cover their heads too). But I am most definately anti-burka. Why is it that a woman in a burka can walk into a bank or shop and not get told to remove it, when a person in a hoodie will be asked to take it off so that "their face can be seen". Your seeing less face in a burka!
Why is a piece of cloth on somebody's head such a big bloody problem?
Get a life people.
If you really wanted to help those who are 'being forced to wear it,' you would. But you don't. Instead you choose to patronise those who FREELY decide to wear it.
@PointBlanc7 Are you actually kidding? A piece of cloth on somebody's head not only conceals someone's identity and invokes feelings of suspicion and fear amongst others. 'What have they got to hide?', people often think. The context in which people 'freely' chose to wear coverings are often incredibly oppressive. I mean of course muslim women want to please their peers, but how many non-muslims chose to wear it? They have been indoctrinated into thinking it's 'good' to wear it.
What do you think one can hide under a headscarf? A samurai sword?
Don't you think it's somewhat patronising, assumptious and generalising to say EVERY SINGLE woman with a headscarf on has been 'indoctrinated?' So if I say I wear a headscarf out of my free choice, are you telling me I am lying?
And are you actually suggesting that a person would chose 'pleasing their peers' and getting attacked by everyone else, over not having to deal with any of that?
@PointBlanc7 A headscarf hides an identity. When something like the face/head is covered, which people are so used to see, they automatically think there must be a reason to cover it. It's human nature. And to your answer, yes. One person's free choice is another person's oppression. I don't think you are a lier you just don't realise how much of an effect your religion has had at clouding your rational judgement. And people with headscarves don't 'get attacked' at all.
Even if people's identity was shown in their hair (?!) I don't understand why you think that is a reason to force people not to wear it? I'm assuming you include NUNS in this too then?
@PointBlanc7 It does. Obviously mulim veils such as the burqa and niqab hide people's faces. With regards to headscarves people use secondary face characteristics such as hair, face shape, face size etc. to recognise and identify individuals. Why I want them banned? They hide identity, they are divisive symbols of religion, they invoke negative feelings in the other population. I could go on. And yes, of course nuns shouldn't be allowed to wear their habits.
"Oh hello. I'm banning you from wearing what you want, because that lady over there feels negative when she sees your head covered. And I can't see your face shape properly. Kbye"
@PointBlanc7 For the nth time:Nuns do not go around and argue with people. They are mostly confined to convent and they have dedicated their lives to god. Why these Hijabi muslims do the same and get confined to some building and stay there if they are that religeous and do these to please god. These hijabi girls are all over the place and you even see them snogging thier boyfriends in broad day light in Europe. Why someone who has dedicated their life to God and Qouran has to be sexual!
Also, yes my school did achieve the best results, which is why I went there, and yes faith school generally out perform state schools. But this isn't due to the religious nature of the schools, afterall believing in God doesn't somehow make you smarter (in fact I'd argue the opposite). It's because faith schools receive much more funding than regular schools, and with the better funding, comes pushy middle-class parents who want their children to do their best. It's the people, not the school.
@Dave25892 On the contraray faith schools are so suppressive that majority of students who attend them CAN NOT waite to get out of there and the only way out is to get good grades and leave the school and even their family. Majority of students from faith schools always apply to Universities away from their home town. They are the most sexually active students at Universities. You should see all these Asian girls at Universities specially the ones with Hijab, they are all after a boyfriend.
@clance2002 I wouldn't go that far. Although I appreciate that some faith schools are more forecful with the religious side of things, I can only speak from experience. Although prayers, mass and religious education were compulsary, science and religion were very much kept seperate. A lot of the pupils although were born into catholic families never really took it that seriously. I and alot of ex pupils often visit the school as the teachers were so lovely. It was an excellent school
at 30.00, I agreed with the guy with the glasses up until this point. Faith schools are inherently divisive. I spent 14 years of my childhood in catholic education and I only remember once being taught some small details of any other faith, which happened to be islam. I never met children of faith other than christianity. I realised that religion was an absolute loads of bollocks with the way they were indoctrinating children as young as four years old.
@DonAKayy And why would you tell me to do that? Are you assuming if I converted to Islam, I'd see religion is all good? Well bad news, I have read the Qur'an and it's even more disgusting than the Bible. All religion's the same, indoctrination. And faith schools do nothing but attempt to ensure the next generation is religious.
@Dave25892 You haven't studied the Quran. And fuck off racist cunt. The Muslim community on Earth has the lowest, crime, divorce rate etc. We wonder why? Israeli Jewish suicide bombers in Iraq do not count as Muslims!
@DonAKayy Unfortuately for you, I have. And why on earth are you calling me racist becuase I am criticising religion? And where on earth have you got this information from? Absolute bullshit. The Truth - Muslims oppress women, oppress sexual orietated minorities and extremist muslims give rise to terrorists!? Unfortunately all religion does this and so much more.
@Dave25892 False, all your information you get are from non-Muslims. In the Quran it says both genders should be equal and that woman of all of mankind are more important than the males. Also, it says in the Quran, if you don't follow the Religion properly, you are not considered a Muslim, no matter what you have on your government document. So if women don't cover their hair, they are not considered a Muslim until they ask for forgiveness and are forgiven.
@DonAKayy What a little pretentious religeous dictator you are! Sitting in the free democractic West and attacking people for having an opinion! Your Western intepretation of Quoran and riligeon is an evidence of how ignorant and narrow minded you are. Religeon has no place in 21st centuary Secular society because it breeds people like you who are full of hyporicy who think they know best and know it all. All these hijab business is Arabic National Costume and has nothing to do with religeon.
@DonAKayy Is this the best intelligent answer you could come up with you little religeous zealot? You just prooved my point. Nice living in the FREE DEMOCRATIC WEST isn't it? Are your parents on benefits too? You have best of the both worlds and now wants some attention because you can?Come up with more intelligent comments and don'y dismiss other people's comments if they are telling the truth and you don't like it. Europe has to stop being politically correct and show people like you the door
@clance2002 Show some respect and get your facts right. Look at the most racist people on Earth. 99% of them are white and don't follow their Religion properly or have no Religion. Strange? You are a racist. Being racist is a negative value to have. Look at the amount of innocent Muslims that were killed by the west, millions. Muslims are blamed to kill around 3000 in 9/11 and around 50 in London how ever there is no proof.US+UK killed 15000+ Afghans and 500,000+ Iraqis, all innocent.
@DonAKayy I have no idea what you mean by show some respect.As I said before in a Secular Democratic society religeon does not and should not play a role.Sorry but racism does not have colour;You should know living in Hackney how many times BLACK people have called an Asian "a Paki"!Muslims have been killed and are being killed by Muslims all the time. You my child living in the Free Democractic "White" West and having everything you want and talking shit like that. Then move to a Muslim country
@clance2002 I have never been called a Paki ever in Hackney by anyone because my generation grew up in a diverse community how ever I have been racially abuse in my life by only white people in Kent and on the internet. The majority of racist people in the western societies are white. Look at the BNP and EDL. AND WATCH THE BNP VIDS ON YOUTUBE THEY MAKE, DISGUSTING!
@DonAKayy I think you live in your own bubble and I don't know why you are in fron of the computer 24/7 and why are you not at school and where are your parental guidance? Listen I can show you evidence about racism from all sorts of communities and sects. And just because someone is speaking the truth and is not politically correct, does not make them racist! You are living almost like a parasite in the world that was developed by as you racially call them white people(christian and jews).
@DonAKayy There are good and bad in every culture and race. You can not compare all white people to BNP and EDL(now who's been racist). If white people are racist it is because they have seen racism from ethnic people towards other ethnic people.As I said before you hear black people calling Turkish and Kurdish peopel PAKI, you hear Caribeans hating Africans; You hear Bangalis hating Pakistanis. You need to leave people alone and get on with life and try and make this world a better place.
@DonAKayy What is it with you and people like you with bringing up Iraqis and MiddleEast all the time. Iraqis asked for help under Sadam, from the West. Leave Iraqis alone and stop focusing every argument with the war in Iraq and Afghanistan! Why did you not speak out when Sadam was killing his own people and Taliban were executing all the women and men who put a foot wrong. And it is not your concern if anyone follows their religeon or not; you just get on with your life.
@Dave25892 Also people that force woman to cover their hair want them to go to heaven and not get punished. Very fair argument. Islam also has proved itself to be true in the past. Science in the Quran.
@DonAKayy So if Quoran is the Knowledge then why not stick to it and why so many muslims want to go to University, Specially Western Universities and colleges. Why that girl in so called full Islamic Dress( Arab National Costume) go to a University in Bangladesh or Pakistan where he ancvestors come from and live their according to her needs??
I don't mind other culture coming in and adding to the UK, but to true to distory the very country that your trying to shaiter you then is an insult and if you don't join british societ then GET OUT.
you doknow Multiculturalism is the bedrock of britain. meening thirs not one side place that isnt affected by it. now you dont like someones freegvin right? then nazi dictatorship is not the way or govern people telling them how to live what to do is not the way. and that same aggment can be posed bk at you. if you dont like it then GET OUT. cuzz no ones braking or going gesent free law whether it be religious culturalism or otherwise
now the problem is people like. maybe you or some believe being british is being like you or someone else. this is not Multiculturalism. if someone dosnt aggre to the laws that apply to everone then theres an expison. example a person can eat pork or go with what there like or there religous dite.. courts. a person can go with british court or have it settled outside of court. schools a person can go to public or hve best for the children and go private
so who we to goven over anyone in regards to choiseing ??..
the most WE should do is close the borders and say no more.. not tell people what there should or should not do.. the problem isnt what there do.. BUT tomany comming in at once for a country thats getting brokin by this. yet there being costume and lettign um in.. why?? ...
What is mind boggling is that these people CHOSE-It was their choice-to come and live in a Western Society. If you feel so passionate about a particular religeon and (common sense)rules of the country that you have chosen to live in bothers you then there is an easy solution: get out and live in a country that adheres closely to your required needs.Fundamentalism has no place in a secular society that other people have chosen to live in. What about their rights?
@bd10casual It is all about money. Britain is the best place to live if you are from an ethnic background and even better if you are a Muslim.The government is so politically correct that they are pouring money into these made up pockets.That little girl who has taken her school to court because she wants to wear and Arabic National costume! And she is arguing with a man who is talking common sense. No wonder her brothers are trying to suppress her; She is out of control!be stoned in Saudi Araba
@clance2002 I live in Bradford (in one of the only white areas left) and a school was recently on the news which had 99% of its pupils were Muslims, i find it sickening that on this show they conclude that multiculturalism is a good thing. The parts of Bradford which are mostly Muslims have been ruined . These areas are turning into places which can be seen in third world countries they are indeed becoming ghettos, the white working class are being forgotten
@bd10casual I am studying there at the moment and I can see exactly what you mean. Although the muslims aren't the cause for the poverty, it's the area and social deprivation amongst the general population in some parts. The city isn't multicultural at all, it's bicultural. Whites and asians. The people are effectively segregated, on cultural lines. The whites resent the fact they have it into Bradistan and the asians don't want to integrate or mix and only stick their own. It's sad.
@bd10casual I have to agree - my family orignate from Bradford and were effectively moved out as they weren't welcome anymore. My mother remembers Bradford being wonderful place with many different cultures there. It is a ghetto now and I cannot go there without feeling sad. It has indeed been ruined.
@bd10casual its complete an complete insult against the UK and the nations its made up as. I will never Fly that flag ever, I fly the Russian flag before I do.
This isnt debate, its pure bias from the start! the moderators already made their minds up before the debate even began, i may not be a proffessor but this isn't debating.
Blame the governments for this farce called multiculturalism, whats happening all over Europe was happening in the USA years ago and they knew it never worked. Europe is being destroyed from within.
The debate was a farce, typical of Media Manipulation. Britain has a population of almost 60m mostly of English people. Imposing Multiculturalism on to the majority is dictatorial. People who come to this country should become British. The religion of this country is Anglican. Non Anglicans should be welcome as long as they do not impose their values onto the indigenous people, period. Those who do not like British Way of Life should leave & find pastures green elsewhere.
this is the diffrince between islam and atist secler views.. islam dos not mind simpoles ect and can torlate when one the thoer hand atistam can not also how can you asult not freedom os speech as if call your mum u your self would call it an insult not freedom.. someone to talk be my guest but to be knowing le intolret is not freedom is not religion and its not even humantry unless you beielve in nazisam of what we should and should not do.. islam is the seloson to all this
"We should all unite around the same set of common values; common language and adopt the same identity in public life." That's building the 'Tower of Babel' all over again.Napolean tried that, Alexander the great tried that, Hitler; communism tried that and all failed. Unless you love the other person; you will never tolerate him/her. Love requires a lot of humility - lots of give and take.
@lambuponthethrone Not at all. The programme is talking about everyone having a common culture, not promoting 'communism', which is something different alltogether. And people do not have to love others to be able to tolerate them. Where have you got that idea from? People are more likely to tolerate (and potentially love) those they can relate to and find similarities. With so many different cultures this is made increasingly difficult to happen.
@Dave25892 Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
@lambuponthethrone That's rubbish. Napoleon, Alexandra and Hitler were conquerors - they tried to rule over others and impose their culture on others. They invaded other countries and tried to enfore their laws. Communism on the other hand tried to bring everyone together but it required a lot of sacrafice for the common goal which people didn't like (no one wants to sacrafice something others will benefit from).
Britain is suffering from others imposing their cultures on it.
In this video; everyone seems to imply that we are different; but equal. And we should be happy with that and learn more about each other. That's how most people are. But if a group insists on calling you infidel.kaffir, bound for hell - that's hardly equality. If that wasn't the case; we wouldn't be having this debate - there would be no need. Everybody is so careful not to mention the main problem.
At 49 minute mark; our muslim friend says; islam is more than a religion.It's an ideology. When Geert Wilders, wafa sultan, brigette gabriel, ayaan ali hirsi say that; they get death threats. Islam is what it wants to be at any given moment; depending on what is most profitable.
multiculturism does not work.It's trn'd to MULTI NATIONALISM.The more you know about someone else's culture the more you start to hate them.That is why British Asians have rejected their race and identity and now have all gathered under the I AM MUSLIM UMBRELLA.A true religeous person does not need to show theur faith in clothing and attire.And the problem with Moslems are that they all seem to have hijacked another cultures attire. Some wear tuban like head gear some wear jewish style skull cap
The faithful don't like Atheists because Atheists are religions Kryptonite. Religion is a cancer on the Human spirit. Religion is a dark empty barbaric place in the minds of weak people. Knowledge and intelligence makes religion cower. Atheists run planet Earth. Atheists tolerate (for now) the faithful, We take care of them in the same light as We take care of retarded and crippled people. We do this because our morality was born from evolution. It is sound and pure. It is proven to work.
Islam is death. Islam is murder. Islam is cowardice. Islam is misogyny. Islam is oppression. Islam is rape. Islam is pedophilia. Islam is war. Islam is tyranny. Islam is a lie. Islam hates love. Islam hates pork. Islam hates Humans. Islam hates life. Islam hates peace. Islam hates Jews. Islam hates women. Islam hates knowledge. Islam hates freedom. Islam hates tolerance. Islam is an enemy of Humanity. It is a cancer on the Human spirit. Hate Islam out of existence. Its humans versus Muslims.
@699backstab Fucking racist idiot. Read the Quran. Wait, you're racist, you're not intelligent. You live in a area where people will call brown people P*akis. You are ignorant. You have no Religion yourself. You learn about Islam from non-Muslims and the Illuminati. Islam is peace. Islam preaches non voilence. In Muslim countries you will get the DEATH SENTENCE FOR KILLING OR RAPING. Islam do not like the bad Jews. Muslims are allowed to eat with a Jewish family. It's racist humans vs Muslims.
There is no god. There is no god because there is no peer reviewed, demonstrable, repeatable, empirical, scientific extraordinary evidence. Your god concept sits right beside the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny for believability. Your gullibility sits right beside that of a 5 year old child. Religion of every name kills Humans and oppresses them. Humanities first order of business in the fight to save the species is the exterminate all traces of religion at any cost. Its the only way.
@699backstab If there is no god how did this universe come to existence. Same with this: without the creator of the Television, there will be no Television.
@TheGreaterGood80 Humans weren't around then. Just because you can't see God, doesn't mean God doesn't exist. Do you need proof for everything. People like you that worship Darwin have no hearts. The worlds top scientists say there was no Big Bang and evolution. These scientists believe in God and are out of the media on purpose.
Its embarrassing being half white sometimes, don't they know there just being buried alive!! It pisses me off when they try and be smart and all econmpassing, it's sad.
Religionists are all f*****g r*****s. *Thank god* the christians are dying of old age in england. I find it hilarious the way all the varieties of abrahamic faith distort their parents views (i.e. actively take part in the evolution of their religions towards irrelevance) Grow the fuck up
muslims with her attitude should be sent somewhere that accepts this dress code (saudi for an example) - who the hell do they think they are with this arrogance that seems to make them believe they are better than others!!!
@DoctorBlissphd they mostly don't they are privately funded by religious institutions, the real question is why do we still tolerate religions not paying tax but still milking their role within society
“For barbarism is always around civilization, amid it and beneath it, ready to engulf it by arms, or mass migration, or unchecked fertility. Barbarism is like the jungle; it never admits its defeat; it waits patiently for centuries to recover the territory it has lost.”
The truth of it is this: diversity is divisive. All nations that attempted it attest to its failure. Our best safeguards against the multicultural immigration invasion that threatens us with racial/ethnic displacement, especially as First-World citizen, are the nativism (in our homelands), tribalism, endogamy, homophyly, solidarity, collective identity, exclusivity, & ethnic nationalism that non-white Westerners have. Homogenous East Asian countries are strong because they hold these values.
the only people i cant mix with asians( chinese kind ones), i mix with people by making them laugh but i can not make asians laugh. and i tried to talk about sex, love, music,sport but never working.
Why is it that everywhere the muslims are there's the same trouble . Where ever these muslims go there's conflict . Just saying . There trouble makers and peace to my christian brothers and sisters who are being herrased and killed in the middle east . One day these muslims will no longer be a threat
@mujtahid2006 How was it established mr kafiraphobe? Did they check inside their pants for pubes [Dawud 4390] and are you suggesting that all the Qurayza children sold into slavery were complicit in the so called' treachery?
They were spared simply for converting to Islam - as per Allah's instruction Qur'an 9.5 "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due,[ie become mulims] then leave their way free." Except for the women & children not considered human but booty/anfal.
@mujtahid2006 Since Muhammad [and his messenger Allah] pardoned those who embraced Islam, one can only conclude that he and his gang of marauding bandits killed non muslims [in this case 800+ unconditionally surrendered Jews] simply for being non muslims. Why else would treacherous [recently converted] jews be spared to walk away scot free?
You know very well that conversion to Islam absolves one of all sins before (just like baptism does for Christians). So some Jews converted to Islam to escape their sentences. But DID the Prophet Muhammed (saaw) give the Jews an ultimatum to convert or die? NO - I challenge you to find ANY statement attributed to the Prophet Muhammed (saaw) where we gave people the choice to convert or die? (european history is full of that).
The Jews were judged by the old testament. You'll find that that is the same criteria the Israelites used to determine who is a child and who is an adult canaanite. Secondly, you lie about women and children being not considered human. If that is so, then there wouldn't be any rights protecting them (and they were taken into care, since that was how people took responsibility of others in an age with no social wellfare system).
O.K. let's look at a different verse, which also uses the verb qatala! "faoqtuloo almushrikeena" Kill the Mushrikeen (idolaters)
Sura 9, Vers 5: Then, when the sacred months are drawn away, slay the idolaters wherever you find them...
Islam is the religion of war and violence. Killing for Allah is the best deed a muslim can do. Therefore, I reject Islam. Islam is a totalitarian, intolerant and highly divisive creed that should not be tolerated.
The problem with this debate is that all religions are treated as if they were equal. There are religious teachings that do indeed teach segregation from unbelievers and hatred for unbelievers. Islam is one such religion. So setting up Islamic schools and centers will lead to more segregation and more hatred among people.
Dictating what people in public should and shouldn't wear now? Hmm, that sounds more totalitarian and fascist to me? Ironically, that's exactly what the nazis said about Jewish clothing - strange how history repeats itself...
@mujtahid2006 Strange how people fail to recognize a totalitarian ideology in the guise of a religion. I wonder whether you would stand up for Nazis spreading their propaganda of hate. Probably not. Those are your double standards.
Sura 9, Vers 30: The Jews say, 'Ezra is the Son of God'; the Christians say, 'The Messiah is the Son of God.' That is the utterance of their mouths, conforming with the unbelievers before them. God assail them! How they are perverted!
Not all Christians or Jews, just the bad ones - here's what the Quran says about good ones:
"They are not all the same; among the followers of the scripture, there are those who are righteous.” [3:113-114].
‘Surely those who believe [i.e. Muslims] and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians, whoever believes in God and the last day and does good – they shall have no fear [of punishment] nor shall they grieve [on the day of judgement]‘. [5.69]
@mujtahid2006 The Arab original says qatalahumu Allahu, which means Allah kill them" Do you tolerate killing people for their religious beliefs? Well if not, then you are apparently against the teachings of Allah according to the Quran. I don't tolerate it. Once the people really know about the teachings of Islam, Islam will be stigmatized like fascism.
Your arguments is pathetic and inaccurate. Lets go through this. 1) The verse means "God's curse be upon them" - which is derived from the Arabic saying "God fight them". If the meaning is as you wish "God kill them", then this still means a curse, since the verse is not commanding any human to kill them, but it is rather invoking God to kill them (which God does to all humans eventually). So much for your pathetic argument. Next!
@mujtahid2006 Now, if you go into the original Arabic of 9:30 it says qatalahumu Allahu, which means may Allah kill them. These are Allah's commands. I don't tolerate killing people for religious reasons. Therefore, I do not tolerate Islam.
Qatal means Fighting - in fact, fighting is the main meaning of that word. So you are being disingenous. Secondly, the Prophet Muhammed (saaw) never killed anyone merely for being a Christian or Jew - I Challenge you, in front of all your fascist friends, to prove me wrong. Come one, tell me one case - just ONE, where the Prophet killed people for not being Muslim (i.e. refusing to convert to Islam).
@mujtahid2006 Oh yes, fighting. But it also means killing, remember? So you do need an adversary if you want a fight, right? Allah is almighty and doesn't have any adversaries. Therefore, the proper translation and meaning must be to KILL! By, the way, fighting violently for religious beliefs is intolerable. Therefore, I do not tolerate Islam
A pathetic argument. Allah does have adverseries - Kafirs (truth rejectors). Anyone can have an adversery no matter how powerful they are. So your argument falls flat on it's face. Next!
@mujtahid2006 Really, I though Allah was almighty? Why does he have to fight his adversaries then? If he is almighty no fight between him and someone else is even possible.Allah would just raise his hand or cough and the "adversary" would be dead. Therefore, kill is the proper translation.
come to our country demanding multiculturralism, but where the fuck is it in Muslim countries? scumbags. Christians are killed in their lands
Avorauk 2 weeks ago 16
@Avorauk
You are talking rubbish. Muslim lands have had Christians for 1400 years. 10% of egypt is Christian. In fact, the Muslim world has a better record of treating minorities, than europe's anti-semitic/anti-black, anti-gypsy (and now anti-Muslim) past. Go study history, then come back and talk.
mujtahid2006 2 weeks ago
I think many people confuse multiculturalism with mass immigration and the elimination of local culture ... multiculturalism CAN be a good thing, if you think it is rubbish, it's because you have accepted so many immigrants in such a short span of time, that it has effectively lead to "segraculturalism"
Byron10301 2 weeks ago
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incredibleXMan 2 weeks ago
Education and religion should be separate. Religion is a private personal matter - learning is public matter. My school wasn't religious - thank goodness. I chose to go to Church and study faith outside of school. This is so important - as children should grow up and choose how they wish to believe. We shouldn't be taught to believe in god - we should choose to!! We need our children to mix - not be separated on the basis of faith.
Judipops13 2 weeks ago
@Stampeds1lent It is - I was nearly kidnapped by 4 Morrocans in Brussells, Belgium - I'm not the only one. I remember being in Belgium when it was safe and I could travel there alone - It is now a dangerous place where I am scared to go as a woman. Most Europen cities have significant areas which are now serious ghettos. I used to love traveling around Europe alone - its no longer safe to do this as I get harrassed by men constantly - mainly Turkish, Morrocan men.
Judipops13 2 weeks ago
multiculturism does not work!!! it hasnt it doesnt it wont i find britain is tolerant to other cultures but it is those cultures that dont tolerate britain and they dont want to follow the laws of our land they want the law of there own land here therefore british nationals are getting angry at other cultures for their disrespect of our country and theres your rift!! as for faith schools i went to a church school and it was full of athiests and other cultures and religions so im all for faith.
lollylopdraws 2 weeks ago 3
so people, I'm a little confused at this point.
when people say multiculturalism is bad, do they mean like it is bad for people of different races to come and live in the same place? say, if we are to abandon multiculturalism, does it mean we are to kick out all the non white people in countries such as the UK? or,,, does it just mean, different cultures can not be easily coped with each other, and all the races should adopt one culture if they are to live in that particular place?
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YouTutorials0 3 weeks ago
Never,Not once throughout history has a Muliticutrul country worked.It may work for a while but then it is fact as history has proven there will be bloodshed..Its just a matter of time for the modern western world..All races are differant,Its not just skin colour... Accept it.
MrCrusader363 3 weeks ago
For example look at the way that Asian girls in the clip is all over her White boyfriend(calm- down dear he is not going to runaway). That guy perhaps has a penchant towards Asian girls and thinks that all Asian girls have to act like her and have their tongue up his arse!Unfortunately Labour government went too far by giving too much freedom to newcomers and providing them with translators so their English remains zero;and it became I can get away with whatever I want. Brittain needs Sarkosy.
clance2002 3 weeks ago
Multi Culturalism in Uk is nothing but a money making project. People of West go on about anticapitalism nowadays and how capitalism is not working. Then tell me how how the owners of these Kebab shops and chicken take away shops all drive a BMW and MERC. You don't see them complaining!Another problem with multiculturism us that a certain person of a race becomes a blue-print for other ethnics in Western people's eyes and start to compare you to other arse licking or arrogant ethnics..
clance2002 3 weeks ago
By having a black woman they have slapped the face of whites who built that great nation.
calihartley2010 3 weeks ago
Multiculturalism would be wonderful, if everyone would be more logical... If you are willing to accept a freedom, duty comes along with it. Duty to not obstruct other peoples freedom. Its that simple. In multicultural society bigotry has no place. Let alone for bigoted judgment. Freedom and solidarity are basic principals of humanity... regardless of nation, race or faith. Those principals unite EVERYONE. And they should be core of multiculturalism. I dont see any reason to dismiss it.
Drago19930713 3 weeks ago
@CatherineDeLancret You got my unconditional support! ;)
Ducky888888 3 weeks ago
@CatherineDeLancret Quite the opposite actually.
MeganHP13 3 weeks ago
@MeganHP13 ..... Explain.. ?
CatherineDeLancret 3 weeks ago
@CatherineDeLancret Being American I'm probably going to view this differently, but to me I don't see why multiculturalism is the opposite of western civilization. In the US we're a multicultural western civilization. Western civilization favors the individual and democracy. These also involve equality. Multiculturalism promotes equality, no?
MeganHP13 3 weeks ago
@MeganHP13 Because your flooding the country with tens of millions of foreigners with different cultures and beliefs who are going to inherit your nation. Multiculturalism = Genocide. Europeans are being replaced in their own civilization. White Americans are going to be minorities in 20-30 years, same with England.
CatherineDeLancret 3 weeks ago
@CatherineDeLancret "Genocide: the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group". This isn't deliberate. And last time I checked we still have a large white majority, so I can assure you that white Americans definitely are not going to disappear in 20-30 years. Try 2000 to 3000 as a rough estimate.
MeganHP13 3 weeks ago
@MeganHP13 Yes it is. Multiculturalism didn't accidentally happen. Our governments opened the flood gates without a vote or referendum and continue to do so against the best interest of Whites. White Americans will be a minority in their country by 2042 according to US government projection. Your not paying attention!
CatherineDeLancret 3 weeks ago
@CatherineDeLancret I don't know about Britain, but we welcome immigrants here. Multiculturalism has been a part of our country since we became a country. I don't really see what other races are going to do to you. How does an influx of immigrants hurt the "whites"? White americans: 197 million, or 63.7% of the US pop. Next largest Hispanics: 50 million, or only 16.3% So unless 100 million Hispanics show up in 30 years(highly unlikely), I think white Americans are fine.
MeganHP13 3 weeks ago
@MeganHP13 I'm English, In England. It 'hurts' when, in front of the missus, I'm spat at and threatened with death in the street because I'm white.
We've recently moved to the city because of my work and we made a horrible mistake in the neighbourhood we chose to move to. My chance of dying brutally has shot up since moving here. I'm wanting to move back but my boss can't get me my old job back for the foreseeable future and I'd also have to accept less money. It also feels like giving in.....
godkingRoss 3 weeks ago
@MeganHP13 England is a White country and has been so for thousand of years. Take a look at South Africa, that is the future for Europeans if they don't wake up to themselves. We account for 8% of the entire planet but seem to think the other 92% have the right to our countries. Yes. By 2042, by massive foreign immigration and high birth-rates of Non-Whites.
CatherineDeLancret 3 weeks ago
@CatherineDeLancret South Africa? That was originally all black? I think everyone has a right to immigrate wherever they want. And who cares if "whites are dying". Why is it a bad thing? It isn't genocide. I really don't see the problem.
MeganHP13 3 weeks ago
@MeganHP13 Yes and look at how Whites are treated. Not against the will of the people in that country. Uh who cares if your race is dying? Are you kidding me?!
CatherineDeLancret 3 weeks ago
@CatherineDeLancret "Look at how Whites are treated" Haha was that a joke? They're treated like god damn royalty. And frankly no I don't care. Every race will die off eventually. Besides, there aren't many differences between white people and others. Try to think of it as one human race, not a whole bunch of separate races.
MeganHP13 3 weeks ago
@MeganHP13 Are you retarded. There is a genocide take place against the White farmers it's up to stage 6 of 8. How insane do you have to be that you don't even care what happens to your own people? Foreigners LOVE self hating Whites, they have their own countries.
CatherineDeLancret 3 weeks ago
@CatherineDeLancret I'm pretty sure earlier I gave you the definition of genocide, go look. This is not genocide. I'm not a self-hating white, I'm just open to other races.
MeganHP13 3 weeks ago
@MeganHP13 Is that why Asians; African; MiddleEasterns are and have been using whitening creams?! Reading an article about making the James Bond Film Octopussy in India mentione d how Indians touched white actors and actresses as they went by in the streets to bring them luck!? Another article in Africa they kill and eat Albino people to bring them good fortune!? They found a tribe in Africa 5 years ago who had a large picture of blue eyed blond hair Prince Philip of UK as their God.
clance2002 3 weeks ago
@clance2002 Is that supposed to be directed at me? I said whites were treated like royalty. I'm not disagreeing with you, although I don't really get what you were trying to say.
MeganHP13 3 weeks ago
@clance2002 Hold the phone...you mean if I touch a White person I could win big in Vegas, who knew. LMAO
ToFester 3 weeks ago
@CatherineDeLancret Then I suggest you Whites start dropping babies, it's not non-Whites fault you Whites aren't having more babies with each other.You got 30 more years so get out there and get to Fucking.
ToFester 3 weeks ago
Wake up! Especially you young folk who have been so thoroughly indoctrinated that we are "all the same" and "all equal". The reality is: we are not! These savages are revelling in their seventh century tent religion and will show no mercy to any of you when they form a majority. Get real and soon.
HousecoreRitual 3 weeks ago
The failure of multicultralism is that different cultures have been deliberately smashed together by politicians, yet, instead of leaving us to intergrate, they are insisting that each culture should maintain its own seperate identity. Thats just fucking nuts. How the hell are we going to intergrate with one another if political rhetoric perpetuates division...the liberal left have totally fucked us all in the U.K. Never forgive, or forget what they have done
hanson666999 3 weeks ago
I think if all ethnic groups kicked out from Bretain,do u know what will happen in the future? ofcourse Bretain will fall dramaticaly loosing its economical,political,and stratigical position among the world,it will be bloody crisis man! think about it logicaly?
khalloud2008 3 weeks ago
if you want medical care, rob a bank for one dollar.
AlirazaTRAVEL 3 weeks ago
the british are delusional fops
feverdreams1000 4 weeks ago
The jews are the ones behind multiculturalism,political correctness and open border policies in Europe and America with the intent of flooding our countries with millions of third worlders and destroying the European race...
george564as 4 weeks ago
the religion of buying...lol
ItsJustAPlug 4 weeks ago
Great idea to use a black presenter
mustafa13113 4 weeks ago
@mustafa13113 Yes she is hot!
ZukefliJohan 4 weeks ago
Brick Lane is in LONDON. London is not representative of Britain in any way.
fenackerpan 4 weeks ago
What is being british ?
people say remember our past, our past is who we are...we need to make ourselves, ok our past is pretty good, the legends of the Romans, Vikings etc, but we need to give as much input as they have to our society. What will our generation be remembered as ? those who couldnt let the past go ? or those who united cultures and religions, and held in thought that we are all human beings of the same race, and its time to help eachother live, long, happy lives
hellowynn 1 month ago
One of the worst debates I've ever seen.
catalystleader 1 month ago
she has a tash
spursyid88 1 month ago
Some of these Mulsums don't seem to understand the concept of a "Secular society".
0111001101100001 1 month ago
at 14::00 - 14:00 I think she lost her virginity
0111001101100001 1 month ago
@Stampeds1lent I don't think when anyone voted for any politician they voted for mass, uncontrolled imigration. Turning parts of the UK into practically foreign cities. The white people who are angry at multiculturalism in places like Bradford aren't racist at all. All these people saying it's a good thing most likely haven't experienced what's actually happened in some places. If they were literally the only white person left in their hometown they'd quickly change their minds.
Dave25892 1 month ago
with regards to people being allowed to wear symbols in public, what if someone wanted to wear a swastika? they'd be condemned and accused of being a nazi when that isnt neccessarily the case as the swastika has much deeper roots than nazism. Why is it that some symbols in society are tolerated and others are not? if religions are allowed to wear things that represent them, then what about people from other groups?
KrazyChick17 1 month ago
@KrazyChick17 I think it comes down to what they are believed to represent. Most people don't know the swastikas roots and wearing one is little different to sporting a charlie chaplin 'tash and getting anti-nazi attention for it.
As for religions icons and attire, I would like to see them get proportional attention... that being tolerated (wear whatever you like), but openly ridiculed for the insanity they represent. That goes for all icons, be it Cross, Burka or Colander.
ProfessorExpert 1 month ago
@KrazyChick17 It's not the symbols themselves, it's the things that they represent. Although the swastika has it's roots in Hinduism, people associate it to Nazism for obvious reasons. And as the secular world is beginning to realise, religion does nothing but seperate people. Religious symbols are beginning to be associated with oppression, and it won't be long till they are banned in public places. And good riddance.
Dave25892 1 month ago
@Dave25892 I'm for certain religious symbols such as the cross and I could perhaps tolerate the headscarf (as long as non muslim kids were allowed to wear hats into class and cover their heads too). But I am most definately anti-burka. Why is it that a woman in a burka can walk into a bank or shop and not get told to remove it, when a person in a hoodie will be asked to take it off so that "their face can be seen". Your seeing less face in a burka!
KrazyChick17 1 month ago
Why is a piece of cloth on somebody's head such a big bloody problem?
Get a life people.
If you really wanted to help those who are 'being forced to wear it,' you would. But you don't. Instead you choose to patronise those who FREELY decide to wear it.
PointBlanc7 1 month ago
@PointBlanc7 Are you actually kidding? A piece of cloth on somebody's head not only conceals someone's identity and invokes feelings of suspicion and fear amongst others. 'What have they got to hide?', people often think. The context in which people 'freely' chose to wear coverings are often incredibly oppressive. I mean of course muslim women want to please their peers, but how many non-muslims chose to wear it? They have been indoctrinated into thinking it's 'good' to wear it.
Dave25892 1 month ago
@Dave25892
What do you think one can hide under a headscarf? A samurai sword?
Don't you think it's somewhat patronising, assumptious and generalising to say EVERY SINGLE woman with a headscarf on has been 'indoctrinated?' So if I say I wear a headscarf out of my free choice, are you telling me I am lying?
And are you actually suggesting that a person would chose 'pleasing their peers' and getting attacked by everyone else, over not having to deal with any of that?
PointBlanc7 1 month ago
@PointBlanc7 A headscarf hides an identity. When something like the face/head is covered, which people are so used to see, they automatically think there must be a reason to cover it. It's human nature. And to your answer, yes. One person's free choice is another person's oppression. I don't think you are a lier you just don't realise how much of an effect your religion has had at clouding your rational judgement. And people with headscarves don't 'get attacked' at all.
Dave25892 1 month ago
@Dave25892
'hides an identity.'
Even if people's identity was shown in their hair (?!) I don't understand why you think that is a reason to force people not to wear it? I'm assuming you include NUNS in this too then?
PointBlanc7 1 month ago
@PointBlanc7 It does. Obviously mulim veils such as the burqa and niqab hide people's faces. With regards to headscarves people use secondary face characteristics such as hair, face shape, face size etc. to recognise and identify individuals. Why I want them banned? They hide identity, they are divisive symbols of religion, they invoke negative feelings in the other population. I could go on. And yes, of course nuns shouldn't be allowed to wear their habits.
Dave25892 1 month ago
@Dave25892
"Oh hello. I'm banning you from wearing what you want, because that lady over there feels negative when she sees your head covered. And I can't see your face shape properly. Kbye"
PointBlanc7 1 month ago
@PointBlanc7 For the nth time:Nuns do not go around and argue with people. They are mostly confined to convent and they have dedicated their lives to god. Why these Hijabi muslims do the same and get confined to some building and stay there if they are that religeous and do these to please god. These hijabi girls are all over the place and you even see them snogging thier boyfriends in broad day light in Europe. Why someone who has dedicated their life to God and Qouran has to be sexual!
clance2002 1 month ago
@clance2002
'nth time'? Never talked to you before you nutter.
And yeah. I understand what you mean. Every single hijabi is like that. Obviously.
PointBlanc7 1 month ago
that fat git with the glasses wants his head punched in
jamez322 1 month ago
Also, yes my school did achieve the best results, which is why I went there, and yes faith school generally out perform state schools. But this isn't due to the religious nature of the schools, afterall believing in God doesn't somehow make you smarter (in fact I'd argue the opposite). It's because faith schools receive much more funding than regular schools, and with the better funding, comes pushy middle-class parents who want their children to do their best. It's the people, not the school.
Dave25892 1 month ago
@Dave25892 On the contraray faith schools are so suppressive that majority of students who attend them CAN NOT waite to get out of there and the only way out is to get good grades and leave the school and even their family. Majority of students from faith schools always apply to Universities away from their home town. They are the most sexually active students at Universities. You should see all these Asian girls at Universities specially the ones with Hijab, they are all after a boyfriend.
clance2002 1 month ago
@clance2002 I wouldn't go that far. Although I appreciate that some faith schools are more forecful with the religious side of things, I can only speak from experience. Although prayers, mass and religious education were compulsary, science and religion were very much kept seperate. A lot of the pupils although were born into catholic families never really took it that seriously. I and alot of ex pupils often visit the school as the teachers were so lovely. It was an excellent school
Dave25892 1 month ago
at 30.00, I agreed with the guy with the glasses up until this point. Faith schools are inherently divisive. I spent 14 years of my childhood in catholic education and I only remember once being taught some small details of any other faith, which happened to be islam. I never met children of faith other than christianity. I realised that religion was an absolute loads of bollocks with the way they were indoctrinating children as young as four years old.
Dave25892 1 month ago
@Dave25892 Read the Quran.
DonAKayy 1 month ago
@DonAKayy And why would you tell me to do that? Are you assuming if I converted to Islam, I'd see religion is all good? Well bad news, I have read the Qur'an and it's even more disgusting than the Bible. All religion's the same, indoctrination. And faith schools do nothing but attempt to ensure the next generation is religious.
Dave25892 1 month ago
@Dave25892 You haven't studied the Quran. And fuck off racist cunt. The Muslim community on Earth has the lowest, crime, divorce rate etc. We wonder why? Israeli Jewish suicide bombers in Iraq do not count as Muslims!
DonAKayy 1 month ago
@DonAKayy
How can you put words like that so casually next to 'Quran'? Please don't swear, especially not like that , I just feel like it's so wrong.
PointBlanc7 1 month ago
@PointBlanc7 It's becuase he's a disrepectful idiot, who's judgement is so clouded that he thinks any behviour is necessary to defend a book.
Dave25892 1 month ago
@PointBlanc7 Quran is a piece of crap, embryology never mentions the egg and says sperm forms a clot, even a high school kid could do better!
ZukefliJohan 4 weeks ago
@DonAKayy Unfortuately for you, I have. And why on earth are you calling me racist becuase I am criticising religion? And where on earth have you got this information from? Absolute bullshit. The Truth - Muslims oppress women, oppress sexual orietated minorities and extremist muslims give rise to terrorists!? Unfortunately all religion does this and so much more.
Dave25892 1 month ago
@Dave25892 False, all your information you get are from non-Muslims. In the Quran it says both genders should be equal and that woman of all of mankind are more important than the males. Also, it says in the Quran, if you don't follow the Religion properly, you are not considered a Muslim, no matter what you have on your government document. So if women don't cover their hair, they are not considered a Muslim until they ask for forgiveness and are forgiven.
DonAKayy 1 month ago
@DonAKayy What a little pretentious religeous dictator you are! Sitting in the free democractic West and attacking people for having an opinion! Your Western intepretation of Quoran and riligeon is an evidence of how ignorant and narrow minded you are. Religeon has no place in 21st centuary Secular society because it breeds people like you who are full of hyporicy who think they know best and know it all. All these hijab business is Arabic National Costume and has nothing to do with religeon.
clance2002 1 month ago
@clance2002 You can't even spell so your comments are not valid and will not be taken in consideration to my beliefs and my head.
DonAKayy 1 month ago
@DonAKayy Is this the best intelligent answer you could come up with you little religeous zealot? You just prooved my point. Nice living in the FREE DEMOCRATIC WEST isn't it? Are your parents on benefits too? You have best of the both worlds and now wants some attention because you can?Come up with more intelligent comments and don'y dismiss other people's comments if they are telling the truth and you don't like it. Europe has to stop being politically correct and show people like you the door
clance2002 1 month ago
@clance2002 Show some respect and get your facts right. Look at the most racist people on Earth. 99% of them are white and don't follow their Religion properly or have no Religion. Strange? You are a racist. Being racist is a negative value to have. Look at the amount of innocent Muslims that were killed by the west, millions. Muslims are blamed to kill around 3000 in 9/11 and around 50 in London how ever there is no proof.US+UK killed 15000+ Afghans and 500,000+ Iraqis, all innocent.
DonAKayy 1 month ago
@DonAKayy I have no idea what you mean by show some respect.As I said before in a Secular Democratic society religeon does not and should not play a role.Sorry but racism does not have colour;You should know living in Hackney how many times BLACK people have called an Asian "a Paki"!Muslims have been killed and are being killed by Muslims all the time. You my child living in the Free Democractic "White" West and having everything you want and talking shit like that. Then move to a Muslim country
clance2002 1 month ago
@clance2002 I have never been called a Paki ever in Hackney by anyone because my generation grew up in a diverse community how ever I have been racially abuse in my life by only white people in Kent and on the internet. The majority of racist people in the western societies are white. Look at the BNP and EDL. AND WATCH THE BNP VIDS ON YOUTUBE THEY MAKE, DISGUSTING!
DonAKayy 1 month ago
@DonAKayy I think you live in your own bubble and I don't know why you are in fron of the computer 24/7 and why are you not at school and where are your parental guidance? Listen I can show you evidence about racism from all sorts of communities and sects. And just because someone is speaking the truth and is not politically correct, does not make them racist! You are living almost like a parasite in the world that was developed by as you racially call them white people(christian and jews).
clance2002 4 weeks ago
@DonAKayy There are good and bad in every culture and race. You can not compare all white people to BNP and EDL(now who's been racist). If white people are racist it is because they have seen racism from ethnic people towards other ethnic people.As I said before you hear black people calling Turkish and Kurdish peopel PAKI, you hear Caribeans hating Africans; You hear Bangalis hating Pakistanis. You need to leave people alone and get on with life and try and make this world a better place.
clance2002 4 weeks ago
@DonAKayy What is it with you and people like you with bringing up Iraqis and MiddleEast all the time. Iraqis asked for help under Sadam, from the West. Leave Iraqis alone and stop focusing every argument with the war in Iraq and Afghanistan! Why did you not speak out when Sadam was killing his own people and Taliban were executing all the women and men who put a foot wrong. And it is not your concern if anyone follows their religeon or not; you just get on with your life.
clance2002 1 month ago
@clance2002 You don't know nothing, the US and UK government seem to be run by Jews. Research the history of the satanic Jews and Muslims.
DonAKayy 1 month ago
@Dave25892 Also people that force woman to cover their hair want them to go to heaven and not get punished. Very fair argument. Islam also has proved itself to be true in the past. Science in the Quran.
DonAKayy 1 month ago
@DonAKayy So if Quoran is the Knowledge then why not stick to it and why so many muslims want to go to University, Specially Western Universities and colleges. Why that girl in so called full Islamic Dress( Arab National Costume) go to a University in Bangladesh or Pakistan where he ancvestors come from and live their according to her needs??
clance2002 1 month ago
I don't mind other culture coming in and adding to the UK, but to true to distory the very country that your trying to shaiter you then is an insult and if you don't join british societ then GET OUT.
gooders1002 1 month ago 6
@gooders1002
you doknow Multiculturalism is the bedrock of britain. meening thirs not one side place that isnt affected by it. now you dont like someones freegvin right? then nazi dictatorship is not the way or govern people telling them how to live what to do is not the way. and that same aggment can be posed bk at you. if you dont like it then GET OUT. cuzz no ones braking or going gesent free law whether it be religious culturalism or otherwise
rudeboywaz 1 month ago
@gooders1002
now the problem is people like. maybe you or some believe being british is being like you or someone else. this is not Multiculturalism. if someone dosnt aggre to the laws that apply to everone then theres an expison. example a person can eat pork or go with what there like or there religous dite.. courts. a person can go with british court or have it settled outside of court. schools a person can go to public or hve best for the children and go private
rudeboywaz 1 month ago
@gooders1002
now its there choise that we dont like..
so who we to goven over anyone in regards to choiseing ??..
the most WE should do is close the borders and say no more.. not tell people what there should or should not do.. the problem isnt what there do.. BUT tomany comming in at once for a country thats getting brokin by this. yet there being costume and lettign um in.. why?? ...
rudeboywaz 1 month ago
what teh FUCK is this show?
halflifeproductionz 1 month ago
0:26:39 funny.LOL.
islamtogo 1 month ago
What is mind boggling is that these people CHOSE-It was their choice-to come and live in a Western Society. If you feel so passionate about a particular religeon and (common sense)rules of the country that you have chosen to live in bothers you then there is an easy solution: get out and live in a country that adheres closely to your required needs.Fundamentalism has no place in a secular society that other people have chosen to live in. What about their rights?
clance2002 1 month ago
re design the union jack.... are they taking the piss
bd10casual 1 month ago
@bd10casual It is all about money. Britain is the best place to live if you are from an ethnic background and even better if you are a Muslim.The government is so politically correct that they are pouring money into these made up pockets.That little girl who has taken her school to court because she wants to wear and Arabic National costume! And she is arguing with a man who is talking common sense. No wonder her brothers are trying to suppress her; She is out of control!be stoned in Saudi Araba
clance2002 1 month ago
@clance2002 I live in Bradford (in one of the only white areas left) and a school was recently on the news which had 99% of its pupils were Muslims, i find it sickening that on this show they conclude that multiculturalism is a good thing. The parts of Bradford which are mostly Muslims have been ruined . These areas are turning into places which can be seen in third world countries they are indeed becoming ghettos, the white working class are being forgotten
bd10casual 1 month ago
@bd10casual I am studying there at the moment and I can see exactly what you mean. Although the muslims aren't the cause for the poverty, it's the area and social deprivation amongst the general population in some parts. The city isn't multicultural at all, it's bicultural. Whites and asians. The people are effectively segregated, on cultural lines. The whites resent the fact they have it into Bradistan and the asians don't want to integrate or mix and only stick their own. It's sad.
Dave25892 1 month ago
@bd10casual I have to agree - my family orignate from Bradford and were effectively moved out as they weren't welcome anymore. My mother remembers Bradford being wonderful place with many different cultures there. It is a ghetto now and I cannot go there without feeling sad. It has indeed been ruined.
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gooders1002 1 month ago
@bd10casual its complete an complete insult against the UK and the nations its made up as. I will never Fly that flag ever, I fly the Russian flag before I do.
gooders1002 1 month ago
@bd10casual I think they were. They didn't exactly get a good reception on the show, as would happen anywhere :P
Dave25892 1 month ago
This isnt debate, its pure bias from the start! the moderators already made their minds up before the debate even began, i may not be a proffessor but this isn't debating.
LazyHarryLineup 1 month ago
Blame the governments for this farce called multiculturalism, whats happening all over Europe was happening in the USA years ago and they knew it never worked. Europe is being destroyed from within.
deeds1957 1 month ago
The debate was a farce, typical of Media Manipulation. Britain has a population of almost 60m mostly of English people. Imposing Multiculturalism on to the majority is dictatorial. People who come to this country should become British. The religion of this country is Anglican. Non Anglicans should be welcome as long as they do not impose their values onto the indigenous people, period. Those who do not like British Way of Life should leave & find pastures green elsewhere.
amoralis123 1 month ago
the advancement of scientist ideas where build upon an ideas diverse community, which is base upon different ideas.
dramese 1 month ago
this is the diffrince between islam and atist secler views.. islam dos not mind simpoles ect and can torlate when one the thoer hand atistam can not also how can you asult not freedom os speech as if call your mum u your self would call it an insult not freedom.. someone to talk be my guest but to be knowing le intolret is not freedom is not religion and its not even humantry unless you beielve in nazisam of what we should and should not do.. islam is the seloson to all this
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@rudeboywaz reading what you wrote is painful.Worst english grammar I've ever seen on youtube
TheGreaterGood80 1 month ago
Difference between religion and culture? isnt culture founded on the grounds of religion? is there something im missing ?
dawtchins 1 month ago
"We should all unite around the same set of common values; common language and adopt the same identity in public life." That's building the 'Tower of Babel' all over again.Napolean tried that, Alexander the great tried that, Hitler; communism tried that and all failed. Unless you love the other person; you will never tolerate him/her. Love requires a lot of humility - lots of give and take.
lambuponthethrone 1 month ago 3
@lambuponthethrone This people diid not limit it to their nation
laveolu 1 month ago
@lambuponthethrone Not at all. The programme is talking about everyone having a common culture, not promoting 'communism', which is something different alltogether. And people do not have to love others to be able to tolerate them. Where have you got that idea from? People are more likely to tolerate (and potentially love) those they can relate to and find similarities. With so many different cultures this is made increasingly difficult to happen.
Dave25892 1 month ago
@Dave25892 Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
marionetemanJ 1 month ago
@lambuponthethrone That's rubbish. Napoleon, Alexandra and Hitler were conquerors - they tried to rule over others and impose their culture on others. They invaded other countries and tried to enfore their laws. Communism on the other hand tried to bring everyone together but it required a lot of sacrafice for the common goal which people didn't like (no one wants to sacrafice something others will benefit from).
Britain is suffering from others imposing their cultures on it.
Lumosnight 1 month ago
In this video; everyone seems to imply that we are different; but equal. And we should be happy with that and learn more about each other. That's how most people are. But if a group insists on calling you infidel.kaffir, bound for hell - that's hardly equality. If that wasn't the case; we wouldn't be having this debate - there would be no need. Everybody is so careful not to mention the main problem.
lambuponthethrone 1 month ago
At 49 minute mark; our muslim friend says; islam is more than a religion.It's an ideology. When Geert Wilders, wafa sultan, brigette gabriel, ayaan ali hirsi say that; they get death threats. Islam is what it wants to be at any given moment; depending on what is most profitable.
lambuponthethrone 1 month ago
multiculturism does not work.It's trn'd to MULTI NATIONALISM.The more you know about someone else's culture the more you start to hate them.That is why British Asians have rejected their race and identity and now have all gathered under the I AM MUSLIM UMBRELLA.A true religeous person does not need to show theur faith in clothing and attire.And the problem with Moslems are that they all seem to have hijacked another cultures attire. Some wear tuban like head gear some wear jewish style skull cap
clance2002 1 month ago
The faithful don't like Atheists because Atheists are religions Kryptonite. Religion is a cancer on the Human spirit. Religion is a dark empty barbaric place in the minds of weak people. Knowledge and intelligence makes religion cower. Atheists run planet Earth. Atheists tolerate (for now) the faithful, We take care of them in the same light as We take care of retarded and crippled people. We do this because our morality was born from evolution. It is sound and pure. It is proven to work.
699backstab 1 month ago 2
Islam is death. Islam is murder. Islam is cowardice. Islam is misogyny. Islam is oppression. Islam is rape. Islam is pedophilia. Islam is war. Islam is tyranny. Islam is a lie. Islam hates love. Islam hates pork. Islam hates Humans. Islam hates life. Islam hates peace. Islam hates Jews. Islam hates women. Islam hates knowledge. Islam hates freedom. Islam hates tolerance. Islam is an enemy of Humanity. It is a cancer on the Human spirit. Hate Islam out of existence. Its humans versus Muslims.
699backstab 1 month ago 2
@699backstab Fucking racist idiot. Read the Quran. Wait, you're racist, you're not intelligent. You live in a area where people will call brown people P*akis. You are ignorant. You have no Religion yourself. You learn about Islam from non-Muslims and the Illuminati. Islam is peace. Islam preaches non voilence. In Muslim countries you will get the DEATH SENTENCE FOR KILLING OR RAPING. Islam do not like the bad Jews. Muslims are allowed to eat with a Jewish family. It's racist humans vs Muslims.
DonAKayy 1 month ago
There is no god. There is no god because there is no peer reviewed, demonstrable, repeatable, empirical, scientific extraordinary evidence. Your god concept sits right beside the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny for believability. Your gullibility sits right beside that of a 5 year old child. Religion of every name kills Humans and oppresses them. Humanities first order of business in the fight to save the species is the exterminate all traces of religion at any cost. Its the only way.
699backstab 1 month ago
@699backstab If there is no god how did this universe come to existence. Same with this: without the creator of the Television, there will be no Television.
DonAKayy 1 month ago
@DonAKayy there's actual evidence that a television was constructed by someone. There is zero evidence for a god
TheGreaterGood80 1 month ago
@TheGreaterGood80 Humans weren't around then. Just because you can't see God, doesn't mean God doesn't exist. Do you need proof for everything. People like you that worship Darwin have no hearts. The worlds top scientists say there was no Big Bang and evolution. These scientists believe in God and are out of the media on purpose.
DonAKayy 1 month ago
@DonAKayy In "I Slam" countries the women receive the death sentence for being raped... You are not human, you are scum.
Djursnerable 1 month ago
@Djursnerable Sorry, I was typing that late at night, people who rape in Muslim countries get the death sentence. UK? US?
DonAKayy 1 month ago
PLUS look what it's done to so called black women, wearing blonde weaves and wigs!! Total confusion.
EnglishFever 1 month ago
Its embarrassing being half white sometimes, don't they know there just being buried alive!! It pisses me off when they try and be smart and all econmpassing, it's sad.
EnglishFever 1 month ago
This is boring
demarcos69 1 month ago
@demarcos69- Yeah man you tell me some other stuff to watch dude.
shebzydon 1 month ago
One culture One Country One Religion equals One world order
demarcos69 1 month ago
Good job the green cards won the vote..
I wonder if the BBC whould have shown it if the reds had come close?
idyhot 1 month ago
Religionists are all f*****g r*****s. *Thank god* the christians are dying of old age in england. I find it hilarious the way all the varieties of abrahamic faith distort their parents views (i.e. actively take part in the evolution of their religions towards irrelevance) Grow the fuck up
SigismundHathaway 1 month ago
at school you have to wear a uniform, religious desires along with any other desires must not be represented within the school or it is biased.
lousaffire 1 month ago
muslims with her attitude should be sent somewhere that accepts this dress code (saudi for an example) - who the hell do they think they are with this arrogance that seems to make them believe they are better than others!!!
lilalipstick1 1 month ago
Why do publically funded religious schools exist?
DoctorBlissphd 1 month ago 18
@DoctorBlissphd they mostly don't they are privately funded by religious institutions, the real question is why do we still tolerate religions not paying tax but still milking their role within society
lousaffire 1 month ago
@DoctorBlissphd Because Britain doesn't have a Constitution that clearly divides religion and state. We should have one in my view...
Hereticalable 1 month ago
Secular fundamentalist is a rediculous idea.
DoctorBlissphd 1 month ago
These religious symbols seem trivial. The real problem is the government capitulating to relidiculous religious pressure.
DoctorBlissphd 1 month ago
Look. More important than any of these issues is the fact that if you look at the links to the right...cat Deeley loses it on live TV.
TheNollieheelflip360 1 month ago
“For barbarism is always around civilization, amid it and beneath it, ready to engulf it by arms, or mass migration, or unchecked fertility. Barbarism is like the jungle; it never admits its defeat; it waits patiently for centuries to recover the territory it has lost.”
-Will Durant
DewanAhsan357 1 month ago
The truth of it is this: diversity is divisive. All nations that attempted it attest to its failure. Our best safeguards against the multicultural immigration invasion that threatens us with racial/ethnic displacement, especially as First-World citizen, are the nativism (in our homelands), tribalism, endogamy, homophyly, solidarity, collective identity, exclusivity, & ethnic nationalism that non-white Westerners have. Homogenous East Asian countries are strong because they hold these values.
darrinmagnus1 1 month ago
Remember the Pan-European slogans that are our rallying cry: Your blood is your nation. A true lover of diversity is an opponent of multiculturalism.
darrinmagnus1 1 month ago
the only people i cant mix with asians( chinese kind ones), i mix with people by making them laugh but i can not make asians laugh. and i tried to talk about sex, love, music,sport but never working.
aramoist 1 month ago
Why is it that everywhere the muslims are there's the same trouble . Where ever these muslims go there's conflict . Just saying . There trouble makers and peace to my christian brothers and sisters who are being herrased and killed in the middle east . One day these muslims will no longer be a threat
MrDovahkinn 1 month ago
@mujtahid2006 How was it established mr kafiraphobe? Did they check inside their pants for pubes [Dawud 4390] and are you suggesting that all the Qurayza children sold into slavery were complicit in the so called' treachery?
They were spared simply for converting to Islam - as per Allah's instruction Qur'an 9.5 "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due,[ie become mulims] then leave their way free." Except for the women & children not considered human but booty/anfal.
peterpedant 1 month ago
@mujtahid2006 Since Muhammad [and his messenger Allah] pardoned those who embraced Islam, one can only conclude that he and his gang of marauding bandits killed non muslims [in this case 800+ unconditionally surrendered Jews] simply for being non muslims. Why else would treacherous [recently converted] jews be spared to walk away scot free?
peterpedant 1 month ago
@peterpedant
You know very well that conversion to Islam absolves one of all sins before (just like baptism does for Christians). So some Jews converted to Islam to escape their sentences. But DID the Prophet Muhammed (saaw) give the Jews an ultimatum to convert or die? NO - I challenge you to find ANY statement attributed to the Prophet Muhammed (saaw) where we gave people the choice to convert or die? (european history is full of that).
mujtahid2006 1 month ago
@peterpedant
The Jews were judged by the old testament. You'll find that that is the same criteria the Israelites used to determine who is a child and who is an adult canaanite. Secondly, you lie about women and children being not considered human. If that is so, then there wouldn't be any rights protecting them (and they were taken into care, since that was how people took responsibility of others in an age with no social wellfare system).
mujtahid2006 1 month ago
O.K. let's look at a different verse, which also uses the verb qatala! "faoqtuloo almushrikeena" Kill the Mushrikeen (idolaters)
Sura 9, Vers 5: Then, when the sacred months are drawn away, slay the idolaters wherever you find them...
Islam is the religion of war and violence. Killing for Allah is the best deed a muslim can do. Therefore, I reject Islam. Islam is a totalitarian, intolerant and highly divisive creed that should not be tolerated.
bhigr 1 month ago
The problem with this debate is that all religions are treated as if they were equal. There are religious teachings that do indeed teach segregation from unbelievers and hatred for unbelievers. Islam is one such religion. So setting up Islamic schools and centers will lead to more segregation and more hatred among people.
bhigr 1 month ago
The head scarf is the symbol of a totalitarian and undemocratic faith. It should be banned just like the swastika.
bhigr 1 month ago
@bhigr
Dictating what people in public should and shouldn't wear now? Hmm, that sounds more totalitarian and fascist to me? Ironically, that's exactly what the nazis said about Jewish clothing - strange how history repeats itself...
mujtahid2006 1 month ago
@mujtahid2006 Strange how people fail to recognize a totalitarian ideology in the guise of a religion. I wonder whether you would stand up for Nazis spreading their propaganda of hate. Probably not. Those are your double standards.
Sura 9, Vers 30: The Jews say, 'Ezra is the Son of God'; the Christians say, 'The Messiah is the Son of God.' That is the utterance of their mouths, conforming with the unbelievers before them. God assail them! How they are perverted!
bhigr 1 month ago
@bhigr
Not all Christians or Jews, just the bad ones - here's what the Quran says about good ones:
"They are not all the same; among the followers of the scripture, there are those who are righteous.” [3:113-114].
‘Surely those who believe [i.e. Muslims] and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians, whoever believes in God and the last day and does good – they shall have no fear [of punishment] nor shall they grieve [on the day of judgement]‘. [5.69]
mujtahid2006 1 month ago
@mujtahid2006 The Arab original says qatalahumu Allahu, which means Allah kill them" Do you tolerate killing people for their religious beliefs? Well if not, then you are apparently against the teachings of Allah according to the Quran. I don't tolerate it. Once the people really know about the teachings of Islam, Islam will be stigmatized like fascism.
bhigr 1 month ago
@bhigr
Your arguments is pathetic and inaccurate. Lets go through this. 1) The verse means "God's curse be upon them" - which is derived from the Arabic saying "God fight them". If the meaning is as you wish "God kill them", then this still means a curse, since the verse is not commanding any human to kill them, but it is rather invoking God to kill them (which God does to all humans eventually). So much for your pathetic argument. Next!
mujtahid2006 1 month ago
@mujtahid2006 Now, if you go into the original Arabic of 9:30 it says qatalahumu Allahu, which means may Allah kill them. These are Allah's commands. I don't tolerate killing people for religious reasons. Therefore, I do not tolerate Islam.
bhigr 1 month ago
@bhigr
Qatal means Fighting - in fact, fighting is the main meaning of that word. So you are being disingenous. Secondly, the Prophet Muhammed (saaw) never killed anyone merely for being a Christian or Jew - I Challenge you, in front of all your fascist friends, to prove me wrong. Come one, tell me one case - just ONE, where the Prophet killed people for not being Muslim (i.e. refusing to convert to Islam).
mujtahid2006 1 month ago
@mujtahid2006 Oh yes, fighting. But it also means killing, remember? So you do need an adversary if you want a fight, right? Allah is almighty and doesn't have any adversaries. Therefore, the proper translation and meaning must be to KILL! By, the way, fighting violently for religious beliefs is intolerable. Therefore, I do not tolerate Islam
bhigr 1 month ago
@bhigr
A pathetic argument. Allah does have adverseries - Kafirs (truth rejectors). Anyone can have an adversery no matter how powerful they are. So your argument falls flat on it's face. Next!
mujtahid2006 1 month ago
@mujtahid2006 Really, I though Allah was almighty? Why does he have to fight his adversaries then? If he is almighty no fight between him and someone else is even possible.Allah would just raise his hand or cough and the "adversary" would be dead. Therefore, kill is the proper translation.
bhigr 1 month ago