man i used to remember the days I would look at the water in a old FPS game and see that its just a blue carpet with no dynamic effects or any change within the water source whatsoever...
@Chrislav7 I know Microsoft makes xbox, but xbox 360`s are running Direct x10.... And if there are coming PCs with Direct x11, then ofcourse they will have different graphics. And the PCs would have better graphics.
@Fatgnomeable Right now you are right but what happens when the new consoles come out with the same internals?? Then PC's and consoles are equals EXCEPT they still have the huge ass HD, 3D, 1080i, TV's.
We PC gamers game on PC's for other reasons then graphics. We're gameplay junkies.
Nice discussion but you lost. Drop the shovel and walk away, sir.
@DecodeAGamer That is blatantly false information. When the new consoles come out they come out with the most modern technology. That's not to say they are not Quickly outdated, however. When the new Xbox 1080 or whatever comes out it will be the same tech as the best comp.
regards,
PS. I'm a PC gamer by the way. I don't much care for joysticks.
@DecodeAGamer the only "technology", that would be on par with a decent PC, would be DirectX, 360 and the PS3 both had RAM sure, but not the amount that was acceptable on even an XP based PC.
As for the GPU and CPU, neither of those were as good as CPU's that were out at the time of release.
@Chrislav7 I'm sorry, all I'm getting back for "console bullshit", in google, is "they're it r as good as PEECEEZ!", and "young one", really? You're going there up on your "I'm higher than thou" box?
Sorry, but you're still down at the bottom, young one.
@msigt740 But using DX11 to produce water simulation like that by the way of physx or tessellation you would loose more Fps than to have it simulate on DX10 or even 9. DX9 water looks this good on Crysis.
admittedly crysis water is good but not a patch on that there are by my guess the poly count is at least 50X higher, and sorry about the first comment lol it was mean but still the fact is if no dx9 or 10 game will have water like that because there is no tesselation and the producers would have to spend years rendering a repeating pattern, dx11 makes it an in engine effect that wont repeat itself or take years to be made by pro modellors
@leeoFaaneellii I used to do the same exact thing, then I spent like 300$ on a new power suply and an ATI 5750 HD 1gb card, but then I found out that my only highest setting is just high because I run XP and cant run DX 10 or 11.
Err, I'm quite sure this could not be achieved with DirectX older than 9, because their tessellation algorithms are quite wrong for this kind of graphics. It would look choppier. It wouldn't have reflections. It wouldn't move as naturally, and it wouldn't be transparent.
anything could do it, it is very possible, the only different is, this direct x can do it all in one punch, and any older direct x would have to do it step by step and it would take ass long, we are talking days for just a few frames.
am i the only one who thinks this water does not look real and does not look good?
best water i have seen was in 2002, in a short cgi film, made with dx8, and it look thousands of hours to render.
@Daputti it's NOT possible to do it all at once, as one water, but if the computer worked on it, 1 pixel at a time, pixel #1, 2 then 3, all the way to 1 million or what ever, and save each pixel 1 by one. it would be no problem to make this, you would just been a lot of memory in the 1980s
Well, similar kind of water could be made, but just because of simple limitations in the tessellation algorithm, it would be 10 times as choppy. Trust me, I've done my research on this.
Hey guys is it possible to play crysis on Dx11 because when i installed demo it said I need Dx9 and it installed it does that mean I dont have direct x 11 anymore?
@ThaMegabit if you've read the archetectural changes in the gtx480 coming out, you'd realize how far beyond it is from radeon and even the geforce 200 series. it might be a bit techy read for some people though.
@mokiesptc 5-600 dollars isn't harsh pricing. thats always been flagship prices. i paid 500 dollars even when the geforce 3 came out. i paid 500 dollars even with the geforce 6 came out. im expecting that price range, not being shocked by it.. thats always been the case. im sure they will have budget versions based on the architecture for lower budgets
ya i checked it, the tesselation doesn't work though i had to see another video to understand what it's about... cool feature... i hope they make nvidia cards to fully support dx11...
@Spellhide gtx480 coming out in march (supposedly, it could be delayed..) are full dx11 support. interesting changes to archetcture as well ( i cannot spell that word)
maeby cryengine III
DeadCry1000 3 days ago
its your card whats doing what you see
vecta9 2 months ago
its like a high class gif image lol
boypula 4 months ago
where I can download this preview???
thealmin94 5 months ago
Excuse me, I wanted to see the Direct X 11 Water Preview, all I saw was real life! :D
Narsuaq 6 months ago 6
Awesome graphics :D
kuroanid55 6 months ago
That's some sexy water.
ZeroPlasmaPulse 7 months ago
@ZeroPlasmaPulse i believe all water is sexy :)
ThDComputer 3 weeks ago
9 people can't swim
EvilKronos 7 months ago
looks like jelly
Latvietis96 7 months ago
@Latvietis96 I feel bad for people that never saw the ocean in their lifes... =/
Broax 7 months ago
@Broax it`s k
ive seen it on TV
Latvietis96 7 months ago
i feel thristy
HackHunters 8 months ago
humm... crysis water still looks better
sharinganchidori52 8 months ago
Impressive!
XxHardcorexxGamerxX 9 months ago
TROLLOLOLOL
bigfatschuh 9 months ago
смотрится конечно круто, но вода выглядит как кисель, т..е. пусть разрабы и дальше совершенствуются. А так на 5-ку для Директа 11
Tatsuhiro007 9 months ago
i give thumb down cuz i dunno how to swim
Zimba9810 10 months ago
@Chrislav7 watch?v=2WJG14uLA3k
MsCondoms 10 months ago
Yea sure, you just took a camera to the beach and filmed some real water! Right? :o
If not; how mutch CPU did the rendering of the water alone cost your pc?
Gamecreat0r 11 months ago
Its so realistic! cool!
willdobbies 11 months ago
7 people went to the toilet after seeing the water :)
varigleridante696 11 months ago
People who dislike have no money for a good pc lol
DarkSoldier1998 11 months ago
HOW THE FUCK OR WHAT CAN PEOPLE DISLIKE ON THAT VIDEO ?
Aleyhey 1 year ago
real water needs an upgrade.
AntaresBFJX 1 year ago
man i used to remember the days I would look at the water in a old FPS game and see that its just a blue carpet with no dynamic effects or any change within the water source whatsoever...
haramer95 1 year ago
THIS is why PC are better at gaming then XBOX, and other consoles.
Fatgnomeable 1 year ago
@Fatgnomeable They have the same graphics... =p Consoles might even be better with the nicer TV's and the HDMI cables and what not.
Microsoft makes Xbox *Cough Cough*
Chrislav7 11 months ago
@Chrislav7 I know Microsoft makes xbox, but xbox 360`s are running Direct x10.... And if there are coming PCs with Direct x11, then ofcourse they will have different graphics. And the PCs would have better graphics.
Fatgnomeable 11 months ago
@Fatgnomeable Right now you are right but what happens when the new consoles come out with the same internals?? Then PC's and consoles are equals EXCEPT they still have the huge ass HD, 3D, 1080i, TV's.
We PC gamers game on PC's for other reasons then graphics. We're gameplay junkies.
Nice discussion but you lost. Drop the shovel and walk away, sir.
Chrislav7 11 months ago
@Chrislav7 BUT when Direct x11 releases on PC, the Xbox will still have the old Direct x10. Visa Versa.
Fatgnomeable 11 months ago
@Fatgnomeable DX9*
DecodeAGamer 11 months ago
@Fatgnomeable the 360 is running DX9, not DX10 :)
DecodeAGamer 11 months ago
@Chrislav7 Sorry Chrislav7, but PC's will, and always will, have better graphical capabilitys compared to consoles.
Mainly due to upgrade options, an graphics settings, you will never be able to touch a PC's performance in those little boxes you have either :)
DecodeAGamer 11 months ago
@DecodeAGamer That is blatantly false information. When the new consoles come out they come out with the most modern technology. That's not to say they are not Quickly outdated, however. When the new Xbox 1080 or whatever comes out it will be the same tech as the best comp.
regards,
PS. I'm a PC gamer by the way. I don't much care for joysticks.
Chrislav7 11 months ago
@Chrislav7 it's far from "blatantly false", name me one console, TO DATE, that was more powerful than a PC.
I'll be waiting, and waiting... and waiting :)
DecodeAGamer 11 months ago
@DecodeAGamer the only "technology", that would be on par with a decent PC, would be DirectX, 360 and the PS3 both had RAM sure, but not the amount that was acceptable on even an XP based PC.
As for the GPU and CPU, neither of those were as good as CPU's that were out at the time of release.
DecodeAGamer 11 months ago
@DecodeAGamer Sir, If you would like to continue a friendly discussion with me its imperative that you read what I say correctly.
I'll repeat myself this once, When a new console comes out it has equal (This means the same) amount of technology as the modern PC of the same time.
Sorry DecodeAGamer, but you've lost this discussion. See you on the other side.
Chrislav7 11 months ago
@Chrislav7 I haven't lost anything :) again, show me a console + PC spec's from the same time the console was released.
If you knew anything about PC's, at all, you'd know that consoles haven't even touched the spec's that PC users have, higher end that is.
I'm well aware what the consoles have specification wise, but again, they haven't been anywhere near as decent as PC specs.
So, I haven't lost anything, but thanks for trying anyway.
DecodeAGamer 11 months ago
@DecodeAGamer I think you need to take a chill pill and do some research, sir =)
Please calm down and do a quick search (google perhaps?) and then get back to me ok? =) Thank you, have a great rest of the day young one.
Chrislav7 11 months ago
@Chrislav7 I'm sorry, all I'm getting back for "console bullshit", in google, is "they're it r as good as PEECEEZ!", and "young one", really? You're going there up on your "I'm higher than thou" box?
Sorry, but you're still down at the bottom, young one.
DecodeAGamer 11 months ago
@DecodeAGamer Our discussion is over.
Regards,
Chrislav7 11 months ago
@Chrislav7 Good, kid.
Regards.
DecodeAGamer 11 months ago
can i swim in?! please! :P
SexualDelirium 1 year ago
Im thirsty
LedZeppelin4ACDC 1 year ago
that 24 second clip was probley like 10 gb
PSNdomgul58 1 year ago
@PSNdomgul58 nah 24 seconds * 30fps = 720
720(p) * 1280 = 912600
720 * 912600 = 663552000 Bytes
663552000 / 1048576 = 632.8 Mb
slightlyoffbuiscuit 1 year ago
i like the part with the water
sapachino 1 year ago 53
@sapachino hahahahahaa
LordSammyfoxy 8 months ago
doesnt this water graphic used in crysis photoreal
FlatGameWalkthorughs 1 year ago
this isn't even a dx11 techdemo... i run this demo on my dx10 card
FischKopfD 1 year ago
(cough) far cry
flamingarse1 1 year ago
That have water fluid PhysX simulation?
axelvdp1 1 year ago
Stupid 'noob' question... but I have Windows 7 Pro, does DX11 come preinstalled...?
ronineditor 1 year ago
@ronineditor
Yes, that sux
Nakreb1 1 year ago
@ronineditor it all depends on your gpu..
jayten45 1 year ago
@ronineditor DX 11 must be installed seperatly but if you don't have a Radeon HD 5xxx/6xxx graphics card it won't work
MrVeening 1 year ago
@MrVeening Ooooohhh, okay... thanks for that... I'll definitely do it then.
ronineditor 1 year ago
You don't need DX 11 for it to look like that. Thats part of the CUDA SDK and runs fine on my 9500gt
SovCN 1 year ago
i love how every1s getting orgasmic over water
TheTenaciousJosh 1 year ago
I almost had a heart attack when i saw that
chaostheorehtical 1 year ago
Why don't they work on explosions now
WarIncorporated 1 year ago
he's lying to you. he was on a boat and decided to take some video
NNNNinja 1 year ago
DX10 could easily produce that.
Nintendoguy5794 1 year ago
@Nintendoguy5794
basically, shutup...dx10 sucks camel dick compared to dx11. DX11 ROCKS!!!
msigt740 1 year ago
@msigt740 But using DX11 to produce water simulation like that by the way of physx or tessellation you would loose more Fps than to have it simulate on DX10 or even 9. DX9 water looks this good on Crysis.
Nintendoguy5794 1 year ago
@Nintendoguy5794
admittedly crysis water is good but not a patch on that there are by my guess the poly count is at least 50X higher, and sorry about the first comment lol it was mean but still the fact is if no dx9 or 10 game will have water like that because there is no tesselation and the producers would have to spend years rendering a repeating pattern, dx11 makes it an in engine effect that wont repeat itself or take years to be made by pro modellors
msigt740 1 year ago
Fed up now, i want a game which looks like this and the 3dmark 11 video. Stupid xbox.
Bobzilla183 1 year ago
That water is FUCKING nice
CornerSquid 1 year ago
it looks like jelly uhh
TheBadbz 1 year ago
Crysis DX10 = this video
Spectrosypher 1 year ago
@Spectrosypher Crysis graphic engine is outdated by now, try metro 2033 to run on max with fps higher then 30 on a 30" screen ^^
dwarvmater 1 year ago
@Spectrosypher no
CornerSquid 1 year ago
that doesnt even look like real water
johnykonta57 1 year ago
@johnykonta57 why are you saying that?
oceans are very diferent in games some are dark and some are light.
its like in real life there are some water diferent colors.
thejoaomagalhaes 1 year ago
@thejoaomagalhaes just look at it. where are the waves. this is obviously an ocean.
johnykonta57 1 year ago
Meh you can tell it is not really cause of the fact there is no oil floating around
MysticalOrca 1 year ago
Wat! No tsunami?
jasper561996 1 year ago
it s very real !!!
takamaxi 1 year ago
that water sux
D4rQW4v3 1 year ago
did you see the water?
mrchickenwing98 1 year ago 2
this is freakin awesome
TheGonxaplayer 1 year ago
DirectX14= Real-World Graphics.
wariofan279 1 year ago
@wariofan279 not really... maybe particle will be smaller, maybe crysis 4 will be directx 14
quangluu96 1 year ago
@quangluu96
And What your Comment is Trying to say is....?
wariofan279 1 year ago
oh my god
;D
Snack3rS7X 1 year ago
culiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
MegaDroope 1 year ago
i love the sight of water in crysis.
i have a shitty computer but still its worth having 10 fps on high just to look at the water.
leeoFaaneellii 1 year ago 93
@leeoFaaneellii I used to do the same exact thing, then I spent like 300$ on a new power suply and an ATI 5750 HD 1gb card, but then I found out that my only highest setting is just high because I run XP and cant run DX 10 or 11.
supercj12 1 year ago
@leeoFaaneellii True that.
TheKr4ig 1 year ago
this reminds me more some jelly, not water
spajsboyz 1 year ago
Wow I really feel like a nerd just watching that
joskeeeee 1 year ago
@joskeeeee lol! :P
MegaDroope 1 year ago
ATi 4 LIFE!!!!!!!
singre88 1 year ago
@TheCheapWayGamer i don't get ur comment
Czyerx 1 year ago
Nvidia leistet echt ganze Arbeit
XxGraveStonexX 1 year ago
Even better than real water
Aboydebeat12 1 year ago
I want this as a screensaver
Flauschi13 1 year ago
it reminds me of Directx 10 Crysis water.
ShadowxXx36O 1 year ago
@ShadowxXx36O this looks much more better
AlyxVance14 1 year ago
it makes it so worth having directx 11 on cyrsis because you see this... =D 3d water...simply amasing!
Kinesis17 1 year ago
I Have direct x 11
willguitar1000 1 year ago
@willguitar1000 dont show off man
Renzokkuken08 1 year ago
@Renzokkuken08 i do though lol
willguitar1000 1 year ago
It looks better then real water :')
FAh1en 1 year ago 114
@FAh1en yeah u cant die on that
dermis89 1 year ago
@FAh1en it dont but still nice anyways
MiDnYTe25 1 year ago
@FAh1en Everything in the gaming world looks better than in Real life, also my hand looks better in 3D hehehehe!
VaygrX 1 year ago
@VaygrX Haha yeah thats true!
Muhaha epic xD
FAh1en 1 year ago
@FAh1en yeah but doest look as 'natural' as real water
Bb0oYaAhH 11 months ago
@Bb0oYaAhH Who cares? If it looks better it looks better.
Chrislav7 11 months ago
@Chrislav7 well if u want it to look better than real water, u hav to hav physics and all that crap in mind to me it looks like melted jello
Bb0oYaAhH 11 months ago
hey!! why isnt the cruise moving. gosh it looks so kick ass
TheBoboprime 1 year ago
Is that a real footage of an ocean or a dx11 preview?
i bet that if someone make the comparision i cant see which is the footage and which is a preview
nytrox84 1 year ago
I acctualy said "wow" at the water :D
AVP181 1 year ago
Please help guys will this run crysis on highest settings
Intel i5 750 2.66Ghz
4gb ddr3
500gb HDD
1gb ATi radeon 5870 gddr5
22" LCD
860wat psu
MisticEditing 1 year ago
@MisticEditing just about the highest settings :D keep the aa to 4 x since the ati radeons struggle at higher aa
amdintelxsniperx 1 year ago
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lunastwilights 1 year ago
@lunastwilights what dont u care about
MisticEditing 1 year ago
@MisticEditing Depends on your resolution, but in general, yes.
supahmanhere 1 year ago
@MisticEditing probbly i have an average comp with a geforce 220 gt i would look for the crysis demo or something to try it out
ican play at med with 20-30 fps
fuge805 1 year ago
Sorry mate... Nintendo graphics still wins. :D
Freedomfoe07 1 year ago 3
@Freedomfoe07 LOL
kalbidi 1 year ago
@Freedomfoe07 lol, PLEASE tell me you're being sarcastic
bpl0807 1 year ago
look here NVIDIA got the best graphic cards and its very good( the bad is it too expensive) AMD is slightly less but much cheaper like 50$ less
quangluu96 1 year ago
@quangluu96 No.... ati is more expensive
Dogwithagun22 1 year ago
@Dogwithagun22 The Radeon 5770 is on par with the Geforce 260 and is like $80 cheaper.
jmrwacko 1 year ago
@jmrwacko what about the 5970 and the gtx 480
Dogwithagun22 1 year ago
nvidia is bull shit and ati is bull shit XD
GMA is the best xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD joke xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDd
iron888888 1 year ago
@iron888888 LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I laughed for a whole minute. XD
I happen to be using Intel GMA 3100 right now. :D
kalbidi 1 year ago
@kalbidi dude i am joking xD
iron888888 1 year ago
Are you all stuped or waht this is not the water like in games this is the real you douchebags xDDDDDDDDDD
iron888888 1 year ago 2
@iron888888 lol noob, its dx11 get some 1337.
isitonthereenough 1 year ago
great this video made me go pee.. brb....
parzit888 1 year ago
°O° WTF?
oOMRCafshOo 1 year ago
What water is this from? A game? Or other?
Necrommancer 1 year ago
looks like crysis
thewhitezombie666 1 year ago
Any Direct X can do that!
The question is not "Can it do it"
The Question is "Can it do it at minimum 30 fps efficiently on average hardware"
A 1980s computer could do this, but at a rate of 1 frame per day.
ostapslobodian 1 year ago
@ostapslobodian lol 1980s comp at a rate of 1fpd? dude ur overreacting.. 1fpw minimum(frame per week)
parzit888 1 year ago
@ostapslobodian
Err, I'm quite sure this could not be achieved with DirectX older than 9, because their tessellation algorithms are quite wrong for this kind of graphics. It would look choppier. It wouldn't have reflections. It wouldn't move as naturally, and it wouldn't be transparent.
Daputti 1 year ago
@Daputti
anything could do it, it is very possible, the only different is, this direct x can do it all in one punch, and any older direct x would have to do it step by step and it would take ass long, we are talking days for just a few frames.
am i the only one who thinks this water does not look real and does not look good?
best water i have seen was in 2002, in a short cgi film, made with dx8, and it look thousands of hours to render.
ostapslobodian 1 year ago
@Daputti it's NOT possible to do it all at once, as one water, but if the computer worked on it, 1 pixel at a time, pixel #1, 2 then 3, all the way to 1 million or what ever, and save each pixel 1 by one. it would be no problem to make this, you would just been a lot of memory in the 1980s
ostapslobodian 1 year ago
@ostapslobodian
Well, similar kind of water could be made, but just because of simple limitations in the tessellation algorithm, it would be 10 times as choppy. Trust me, I've done my research on this.
Daputti 1 year ago
WOW!!!
EvilLamas 1 year ago
These effects are already present in CryEngine 2/3.
speedaddict2008 1 year ago
i like ATi, it makes Nvidia PhysX look wicked good......
bd3k 1 year ago
Hey guys is it possible to play crysis on Dx11 because when i installed demo it said I need Dx9 and it installed it does that mean I dont have direct x 11 anymore?
Daxter609 1 year ago
NVDIA IS FUCKING LATE, BULL SHIT!!
BUY ATI ! it's better for the price and the Newest technology is comming faster!
ThaMegabit 1 year ago 4
hahah you tell them :) Ati rulez !
djbazzmaster 1 year ago
Nvidia is shit. Xbox used nvidia and failed, now ps3 uses nvidia and UBER FAILS. NO UNIFIED SHADERS!? WTF!?!?!?!?
paulnils 1 year ago 2
Yeah man. Time to ''delete'' them (nVidia) .. lol
mathias921 1 year ago
@paulnils
How have either of them failed anyway?
Usul573 1 year ago
Had my 8800GTX for over 2 years now. I see no need to upgrade when I can play the latest games etc without ANY hinderance.
I guess it's preference, you either like big numbers or a decent card.
Stick0rz 1 year ago
@Stick0rz
Hey, the 8800 GTX, had that forever it seems, still great.
Usul573 1 year ago
ATI already support dx11 whit the Radeon HD 5XXX series. And for a REAL low price. So you GUYS dont understand. F*uck NVidia
ThaMegabit 1 year ago
@ThaMegabit if you've read the archetectural changes in the gtx480 coming out, you'd realize how far beyond it is from radeon and even the geforce 200 series. it might be a bit techy read for some people though.
PeskySaurus2 1 year ago
enfermo..........
rayandrestamarasaez 1 year ago
Fake o.O
Jairoxx4 1 year ago
Does Ati Radeon HD4650 support DX11?
ikpakje4 1 year ago
@ikpakje4 no, only dx10.1
ThaMegabit 1 year ago
i'll head GF100 (Fermi) but that's gonna be expensive based on its specs... jeezz... NVidia could be f'ed up in pricing...
mokiesptc 2 years ago
@mokiesptc 5-600 dollars isn't harsh pricing. thats always been flagship prices. i paid 500 dollars even when the geforce 3 came out. i paid 500 dollars even with the geforce 6 came out. im expecting that price range, not being shocked by it.. thats always been the case. im sure they will have budget versions based on the architecture for lower budgets
PeskySaurus2 1 year ago
really nice
nthvfs 2 years ago
WOW THATS SO REALISTIC. I think im going to quit life now lol. Sarcasm.
blackbird309 2 years ago
really cool but the problem is I HAVE A GTX 285 AND IT DOES NOT SUPPORT DIRECTX11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
chingano 2 years ago 4
wow cool.
thanks guys, really helpful.
Spellhide 2 years ago
amazing
gnnswe 2 years ago
lol 1 fps in low def
fergoway2go 2 years ago
Is that in Crysis?
djaism 2 years ago
no its just dx11 demo (i guess)
q009q009 2 years ago
im thirsty now lol
legomaniacman 2 years ago 30
@legomaniacman shut the fuck up its not funny asshole youve been trolled rolled
wtf123456789100 1 year ago
@wtf123456789100 WOOT :D
legomaniacman 1 year ago
then why the dx11 benchmark works on my
NVidia 8800 Ultra??? :|
Spellhide 2 years ago
Tesselation wont work, neither will other things but most features will work on DX10 cards.
jaju123456 2 years ago
oh, ok
anyways tesselation isn't that big'a deal right?
Spellhide 2 years ago
Its the biggest feature of DX11, check out the unigine heaven benchmark.
jaju123456 2 years ago
ya i checked it, the tesselation doesn't work though i had to see another video to understand what it's about... cool feature... i hope they make nvidia cards to fully support dx11...
Spellhide 2 years ago
The next series (Fermi) of Nvidia cards are going to support DX11.
Vire70 2 years ago
til then, nvidia is screwed :3
Czyerx 2 years ago 24
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lunastwilights 1 year ago
@Spellhide gtx480 coming out in march (supposedly, it could be delayed..) are full dx11 support. interesting changes to archetcture as well ( i cannot spell that word)
PeskySaurus2 1 year ago