I drive the JDM FD2 Type R. This is the car that has the true spirit of Honda's engineering. Stock motor making 225bhp and sounds awesome. Now that's engineering. Not getting cheap power using turbos.
What i meant is that for a car that has no torque and no turbocharger, it would still do the same quarter mile time (stock vs stock) . and btw the golf didnt win, both the cars slowed down in the end.
@rolexr 6.6 sec for the CTR and usually you get 7.2 in a gti. GTI is a much more pleasing day to day car. more comfortable to drive. CTR is basically the mean kid in the class who is good at sports. Thats how I see it.
look here you german peeter puffer the only thing that you is vw is good for is to be melted down and made into tanks!!!and where do you say that a mk6 makes 230 on a dyno stock?watch it on youtube stock its making 200hp 210tq wtf are you getting your info behind a kellogs box?type r, your talking about a motor that has yet to be boosted and stress free motor making 200hp are you serious.obious somebody does not know what they are talking about!!!
The FN2 is around 205 hp...The Mk6 GTi is around 230 hp (ON A DYNO)...The FN2 is lighter (around 100 Kg) but still, it can't match the GTi due to the power difference.
@kusmenklote187 honda engines are slow no matter how many horsepower you have my grandmas 2011 fit sport goes from 0-60 in 10.8 seconds my dads 2009 golf 0-60 in 8 seonds and my 2011 gti mk6 0-60 in 6.4 seconds....my grandmas fit is already giving her problems and shes had it for a few months! no vw today goes from 0-60 in double digits only hondas can do that plus my gti gets 50mpg and hers gets 44 so her fit is slow, ugly too, cheaply made, and not that economical sorry but i hate hondas
@gadgetguy4000 haha funny, the honda engines are so robust and best engins, you mean slow ?see the b18c engine revs over 11k RPM? sry for my bad english, we germans love honda an volkswagen
@DerHamsterHamburg honda engines are pretty relibable i gotta say but almost all hondas go from 0-60 in double digits im a german too but in canada and i love volkswagen
@DerHamsterHamburg Ich spreche Deutsch, aber sowieso gefällt mir nicht hondas überhaupt, und ich hasse Honda Civics mit einer Leidenschaft, die ich weiß nicht, warum ich gerade ich liebe zu tun Golf GTI sind sie schnell und praktisch Ich liebe sie Golfs sind erstaunlich
@gadgetguy4000 ja schön für dich=) aber glaub mir die motoren sind besser als vw, wenn du sie so hast musste keine hassprädigt hier machen, und schnneller? niemals der golf GTI TSI hat ein turbo, der civic net sie sind ziehemlich gleich schnell, trotz ohne trubo beim civic.
k20a2 is the motor from rsx s with ivtec, (inteligent variable timming economic control) to run as a 1.6 at low rpms getting more than 30mpgs when swaped into a civic increases mpg + power due to a lighter car, making 220 to the wheels, not crank, without a turbo running 12.5 on hatch and 13's on coupe without a bit of stress on a motor that has yet to be boosted. are you serious.. reliability and stress free car. boost lag? obviously someone dont know what the hell they are doing.
I guess Honda uses a special kind watered-down horses, since if two cars have 200hp and one removes luxury equipment to supposedly make it "lighter", physics dictate that the lighter car should win every time.
YouTube has tons of videos that prove that even then, GTI wins over Type-Rs
HINT: NO torque. Not before VTEC kicking in past 6,500rpm, not even after that.
and you vw vvt is old technology do your homework stupid,its i vtec wich means that that k20 will consume fuel as a 1.6L and still make 201 hp all motor
A sports cars is measured on speed, first places and 1/4 mile times, NOT on alleged economy.
A 2.0 TURBO GTI gest 21mpg in the city and a whimpy 1.6 Civic barely gets 22mpg!
You're bragging a mere 1 mpg as if that justifies 350 pounds less equipment, featureless noisy cabin and unresponsive VTEC engine that won't accelerate until you push it near the redline, just about the time you need to change gears anyway.
The 2001 "K20" engine has less torque than a 1999 VW Golf GTI 1.8 engine, and the
"supersized" 2.2 litre Type-R K20 found in European-only markets has the same torque a 1.8 GTI, only at a unusable 6750rpm, versus Golf pulling that power before 4000 rpms and 80% of it available at a mere 1,800rpms. Try to beat that.
Besides, a video's worth 1000 words, and this one clearly shows a GTI kicking a Type-Rs butt
and k20 are able to put out more than 450,is that all??you can watch them blow up a k20 w/ 42 psi. w/30 psi it was able to make well over 550 w/stock internals, show me a vw that can do that stock.vid is k20 @ 41.2 psi and you will see who makes better stock motors,germans or japs. good luck to your vw
Exact same hp, Honda's supposedly lighter and still loses.
Hint: No torque at all. Ever!
VTEC is just a 29 year-old rustic on/off valve timing gizmo and the only "high-tech" feature that Honda brags about. Even little Fiats has more refined VVT valve tech, and GTIs don't even bother mentioning they have it with a bunch of stickers as Honda does.
@flurry they were almost even and this type r is just for fukken europ. it weights almost the same like the gti and its got less torque cuz it has a non turbo engine. and the 0-100km/h time the gti is abit faster. but for me a n/a engine is more fun. and by the way look after civic type r fd2. this should be the real deal. it has not much torque but it doesnt need torque to kick a lot of vw asses.
When everybody finally decides to throw away time honored 1/4 mile races and forgoes who gets to the finish line first, in favor of subjetive "fun" and who has the most VTEC stickers, you my friend, would be a better racer than Sebastian Vettel and Honda Civic will be a much better car than the Audi Le Mans R10!
@flurry sorry but i really dont know what you trying to say...
n/a engines are way more responsive they sound better and the honda vtec's reving to over 8krpm...
for me this is more fun. i dont need torque if i dont have much weight....
when its about real racing, the formula 1...they using small engines with not much torque and almost no weight and they are fast as hell. dont you know, put power on the car and you are faster on straights, take weight from it and you're faster everywere...
This YouTube video is called "Mk5 GTI vs. the new Civic TypeR", so stick to that or open a discussion forum elsewhere.
"Better sounding" engine or flashy stickers don't win races. Formula One won't come to rescue your beloved Type-R nor erase the FACT that in the 1/4 mile it loses to an actual Grand Tourer (GTI).
As for the fun factor, I don't know about you, but watching a quiet GTI beating a noisy Type-R is fun as hell!
@flurry i dont deny the gti is faster stock but they need a turbo to get power out of the engine... for a real racer vtec has more power from the same size n/a engine... honda drivers have the option of a turbo aswell...turbo+vtec... if you buy a car to race you are most def gonna modify it... i wouldnt take a vw for racing purposes or luxury for that matter... or reliability... or fuel economy or design or value for money
Honda has option to shell $5,000 for a custom turbo job, to barely reach 300hp still with no torque plus horrible lag in addition to the already lax VTEC timing.
If a Honda driver can put that much money, so a GTI. And being Turbo-ready from the factory, a $5,000 job will make a GTI push nearly 450hp, totally reliable, not like your flimsy and already-maxed-out-from-the-factory Type-R.
GTIs have VVT+Turbo, but they don't bother showcasing the former with stickers.
@flurry i know that the gti is a bit faster on 1/4 mile and from 0-100km/h....
but for me its no wonder the europ type r weights almost the same and has 190nm the gti has 280nm.
if the civic was lighter it would be even. i wouldnt buy this type r anyway. i like the older ones much more. but dont say the gti is just a grand tourer it has at least 200 hp and the civic to doesnt matter what its called. and dont shit on me because of stickers. its not my fault when others put stickers on their cars
When facing off against a mighty VW GTI, Honda drivers always resort to impossible "if cars" that jams the horsepower of the latest european model, the weight of the earliest japanese model, the "luxury" of the american model, the economy of the hybrid, and top it off with the rock bottom price of the cheapest non-Type-R Honda Civic. You're not different with your "IF the civic was" impossible car.
@flurry but the gti needs a turbo while honda is naturally aspirated... ie honda makes better engines and car while vws use modifications on crap engines... and vws dont even handle as well...
Honda needs to remove "heavy" turbo, rubber floormats, leather trim, adjustable beams, fog lights, steel crash structure, REAL aluminum interior trim, side airbags, 100-amp alternator, heavy duty battery, etc, etc. just to make a slightly lighter car to make its put-put engines FEEL "better", but still cannot defeat a Golf GTI!
he he he!
Next time you race a GTI and lose again, tell everybody that you won on "feel" and "VTEC" stickers worth 400hp each.
heh on this video is golf 5 gti edition 30 and its faster then civic but not so much faster 230ps 300nm 1332kg 245kmh 6,3 sec 0-100kmh so all that power over the civic but only 0.3sec faster 0-100kmh and 15kmh bigger top speed its disgrace this gti should mach up with jap model civic type r its a sedan version with this specs 225ps@8000rpm STILL NO TURBO 215nm@6100rpm 1270kg with AC heh under 6sec 0-100kmh top speed unknown so honda is faster again uh its pain in the ass for other cars lol
@402roadrunner have you ever been inside of a gti? because if you had you wouldn't even be making that comparison. The mkv is twice the car the civic is and it doesn't have to sound like a fart can piece of shit to do it. If you compare the price of a type r against a dsg gti the gti wins hands down.
@hooahayes vw-volkswagen or people's car it realy means that, type R-raceing, so wtf, no coment just fact and specs, stop coment if you dont know the specs of cars, yes i have been inside of gti its shitt car o and my mama drives civic under 5 sec 0-100kmh, i dont care for magazins spec they wrighting all kind of shitt, civic typ r beats golf gti and civic typ r ITS beats golf gti mk 5, and honda dont need turbo they know THE POWER OF DREAMS hahahaha
@402roadrunner I would probably relate some facts to you if I thought you knew english. If the type-r is so great why hasn't it won any kudos? It's a boyracer car with little other utility than sounding obnoxious. The internet is littered with videos of gti's beating type-r's. Personally I'd rather have a car I can drive at civilized rpm's and still have power. And please let me know what civic your mom drives so we can all laugh at your ridiculous comment.
golf 5 gti specs are turbo dohc 4 cilinder 198ps@5100rpm 280nm@1800rpm 1200kg 7,2sec 0-100kmh 235kmh top speed with traction control, so sorry i am wrong the gti has 200ps but its slower then civic see the specs of bouth cars, civic type r specs are no turbo dohc 4 cilinder 197ps@7400rpm 196nm@6500rpm 1204kg 6,6sec 0-100kmh 235kmh top speed so on this vid is golf tunned or bad civic driving
@402roadrunner oh and you should read what the gti will actually do 0-100kph in. VW rates the gti at 7.0sec 0-60mph, every car magazine that has driven the car has done it in under 6.5. Some as low as 6.1 bone stock. The proof is in the pudding, your honda is getting owned.
older civic is faster then gti v, this is bad driveing in honda, its small diference type r vs gti, i think the civic's are better it has 200ps no turbo and gti has 230ps turbo and its still close race, one that make error loses, sorry for my english
People who own hondas are typically stupid. Known fact. Proven fact. By the retards commenting on this video. Vw's 2.0 is by far a better engine. Turbo-fancy valve timing in which Vw implements in there engine to a point. Honda boys do your research, especially when all the videos are of you loosing.
@davieclauss you`ve got no plan. i drove both cars. my friend owns an type r championship white edition and can definitly say, that they the type r is much better in cornering and accelerating as the GTI. That`s fact! By the way. Btw.... i am a student and i owned a civic before.... soooo. Am i stupid? NO! What about u tough guy?
I drive an ep3. I love it! To be honest, there's too many standard Golfs out there! It's ruined the VW brand. In fact, Audi have gone down the same route... Shame really, over commercialised by buyers who know nothing about the car; just 'I see it everywhere, it's nice'. When do you ever see a Ep3 Type R in Britain?? :)
If you want a car that gives you most fun go for a Honda. You can drive daily and go hard cornering ;) Its always nice to see some "drag" sprints. But if you go to the circuit Honda > VW all the time ;)
@Boogiemanz Except that's not true at all. And when you buy a Honda, you end up with a Honda. Hondas A-B cars, there's honestly no fun involved with them at all unless it's an S2000.
@Boogiemanz I have driven both. The SI feels very, very slow unless you're revving the shit out of it. Not that way with a GTI, loads of torque down low (I would know, I own one, picked it over the Honda).
Your comparing a GTI with turbo vs and Civic Si non turbo. Having almost the same ammount HP only diffrence is 2hp. And they only achieved that with the original engine that has 150Hp just put an turbo on it.
You should compare the Gti with the CTR Japanese and then you will have equals ;)
@Boogiemanz You're really ignorant if you think they used the old 2.0 N/A engine and stuck a turbo on it. Plus, horsepower sells cars, torque wins races. Honda is worse than VW at almost everything except reliability. Let's see enjoyability - VW, interior quality - VW, Other companies owned - VW. I can keep going. Oh yeah, you also don't have a bunch of faggot ricers that rice out VWs.
@Boogiemanz idk hes correct about the fact that the vdub has tons of torque down low... and torque moves the car... not horse power... i would have to agree that vw is more superior than honda... american dubbing that is... its totally different comparing european dubbing to american dubbing....
I'm trying to decide between a GTI or Civic SI. I don't have any loyalties though honda seems to have had a better track record for reliability. I do like the feel and looks of the VW better, but didn't VW have a bad track record for electrical and break downs with expensive repairs? And is the fact that VW's are assembled in Mexico and hondas in USA have a real bearing on quality?
@ooSilverSurferoo VW has all electrical kinds worked out of the mk5's and same mk6, they also have AMAZING warranties so even if something goes wrong you dont have to pay for it. I have daily driven a stage 2 mk5 gti for 3 years and iv driven it HARD and the only thing thats ever gone wrong was a coil going out...200 bucks to replace outside of the dealership... If youre looking for the car you can mod the best for the least amount of money and some decent torque GTI is the only way to go.
@diettmann can u give me an example? I will give u one a bmw m6 which is a 5.0 v10 does 0-60 in 4.6 (rwd) and an evo 8 mr fq 400 2.0 twin turbo supercharged does 0-60 in 3.5 ( awd) and if you watch some videos online you will see german cars getting destroyed on tracks and on straights. Not only that the best drift cars are awd and most of them are Japanese cars. Rwd cars are much harder to handle and are dangerous when driving fast and Awd cars are much more easier to handle.
@JeezyRyder so srry to burst ur bubble cause im an evo owner but formula D rules state ur car must be rear wheel drive.... also awd cars are HARDER to drift due to the high amounts of grip. FOR example i just got new rubber on my car, wanted to take em for a spin in a parking lot. 70 mph around a 90 degree turn and hardly and sliding, tho alot of squeiling. rear wheel cars for drift. awd for grip.
@specialdeathx u should try putting slicks on ure evo and drift as formula d are considering changing form fwd and rwd to awd with slick tyres and my point was that although high perfomance german cars are mostly rwd they dont get used in drifting Jap cars do with have been converted to rwd as they are the Mothers of drifting and i will let u know when formula d change their rules very soon
@specialdeathx r u should try putting slicks on ure evo and drift as formula d are considering changing form fwd and rwd to awd with slick tyres and my point was that although high perfomance german cars are mostly rwd they dont get used in drifting Jap cars do with have been converted to rwd as they are the Mothers of drifting and i will let u know when formula d change their rules which will be every soon
@JeezyRyder jeezy u dont kno what ur talking about NO cars in formula d are Front wheel drive, u CANT drift front wheel drive cars SMFH!. and NO they are not changing the rules u wanna kno why, drifting is judged on Angle, thats how sideways the car can get, speed, which is how fast the car goes, line, which is the path that take, and overall impact. the fact of the matter is u CANT get the angle in a 4wd car so stfu
@specialdeathx may be wanna try typing in 4wd drift subaru in youtube and in formula d their r both fwd and rwd please do some more research before u comment next time
@JeezyRyder hey dumb fuck look up the formula drift car specifications and rules it STATES and i QUOTE " Although Formula D does not permit Front-wheel drive cars, it does allow front-wheel drive cars to be converted to rear wheel drive, one example of this is Ken Gushi's rear wheel drive Scion tC.Unlike the D1 series, in which the cars are numbered according to the driver's ranking, drivers in Formula D are given fixed numbers for their cars." so stfu and do UR research and dont argue with me
@specialdeathx lol mate it looks like youve done a copy and paste job from wikipedia maybe u should read the latest car magizines and at your level it would be best to start with maxpower and please dont post back because i dont have time to argue with people like u who know about car ha ha ha ( only dicks reply back to this)
@JeezyRyder that was straight from the formula Drift website -_- and i guess im a dick then.... and i dont NEED to read magazines i GO drifting and u CANT drift in a front wheel drive car u moron u dont NEED power in a drift car, what u need is a light car with rear wheel drive and enough tq to get the wheels loose. JEZUS why is everyone on youtube so FUCKING stupid?!?!?!
@diettmann and as far as ur statement goes. false. i destroy beemers, mercs, audis, u name it. german cars are nice but theyre on the same lvl as every other major car manufacturing country
Have u ever seen what the NEW NISSAN GTR IS CAPABLE OF DOING TO A TRACK? HAVE U EVER SEEN WHAT A SIERRA RS COSWORTH CAN DO AROUND A TRACK? HAVE U EVER SEEN WHAT A MITSUBISHI EVO 8 FQ MR400 CAN DO AROUND A TRACK? AND I THINK WE HAVE ALL SEEN WHAT A BUGATTIi VEYRON CAN DO AROUND A TRACK AND NOT ONE OF THE CARS U LISTED ARE GERMAN
German cars are made to go fast on a straight and they look good inside and outside. Jap cars are just purely built to race with as most jap cars are good track cars unlike 2wd and rear wheel drive German cars. Personally to race i would get a jap car and to cruise around looking good i would go for a German car.
@ronkerjake i think u should do your research and then tell me whats the best rear wheel drive car and then i will name u the best 4 wd car and it will be 100 times better than what u say
@hondavtec25 haahha what?!? and why everybody compare supra vs m3? supra (2x turbo engine) and m3 (atmospheric engine)... screw you bitch, your fucking honda losed soo shut the fuck up!
Man, why are people always hating on one type of car or another? I love all cars and think they're awesome. I like Japanese cars, Euro cars, and American cars... They're all fun in their own way.
In AUS, on road costs of these cars is very different. Civic Type R always had $39990 drive away and you could easily get $37000. (I nearly bought one). GTi with a few nice options on it, $53500 for the one I wanted, and as high as $61000 fully optioned. Different class of cars. VW = German build and finish Honda = Pokemon plastic techno thrills
In AUS, on road costs of these cars is very different. Civic Type R always had $39990 drive away and you could easily get $37000. (I nearly bought one). GTi with a few nice options on it, $53500 for the one I wanted, and as high as $61000 fully optioned. Different class of cars. VW = German build and finish Honda = Pokemon plastic techno thrills
@jasonf81 because the golf is faster. lmao those shitty ass honda's are not in a vw's league. vw is parted with audi and a honda verse a audi.... what a joke. so it runs in the family. (:
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No, the GTI(manual) weighs about the same as a Type R.around 1345kgs.
YOU don't know anything about TYPE Rs You never had them in your country and that's why you've been brainwashed into believing that GTIs are performance machines.
GTIs have to be chipped or have the "Nancy" boy DSG transmission to have ANY credibility.,
@hondacar Amen on that brother =) jajaja AMEN on that! :S i will never say that better than you JAJAJA i respect type Rs althought i own a r26 megane :P but yeah overrated crap boxes! =)
@horse6581 Honda stock cant beat a stock vw easy dnt need a speech for a honda fanboy
BitchIAintStupid 2 weeks ago
@rolexr Well ur are in germany where vws are made to to japan nd see a vw i doubt it
BitchIAintStupid 2 weeks ago
I drive the JDM FD2 Type R. This is the car that has the true spirit of Honda's engineering. Stock motor making 225bhp and sounds awesome. Now that's engineering. Not getting cheap power using turbos.
blacksir1974 2 months ago
Type r never made for sprints. Challange one around a race track and you will be even more fucked..
gangstahboyy 2 months ago
@gangstahboyy same goes for the MK3 really.. those hatchbacks are designed for making tight turns.
kannabiz420 2 months ago
the "virtually torqueless" car jus smoked a 2.0 turbo charged "torquefull" car buhahahaha
hotguy37333 4 months ago
@hotguy37333 Are you blind or just retarded lol?
MrAdzCM 4 months ago
@MrAdzCM
What i meant is that for a car that has no torque and no turbocharger, it would still do the same quarter mile time (stock vs stock) . and btw the golf didnt win, both the cars slowed down in the end.
hotguy37333 4 months ago
this is the type R that no one cares about outside of europe. doesnt deserve the Type R badge should jus be EuroR
ricebag 4 months ago
both cars have stock a acceleration of 7 seconds for 0-100 km/h. So what....
it´s just a matter of taste and that´s it. You can mod a GTI much easier to
more power. I have a Type R because it´s designs and that circumstance that
here in germany you can see a Golf on every corner. The Golf is in overall view the better car, but that counts not so much for me!!!
rolexr 4 months ago 4
@rolexr 6.6 sec for the CTR and usually you get 7.2 in a gti. GTI is a much more pleasing day to day car. more comfortable to drive. CTR is basically the mean kid in the class who is good at sports. Thats how I see it.
iSimonShow 1 month ago
look here you german peeter puffer the only thing that you is vw is good for is to be melted down and made into tanks!!!and where do you say that a mk6 makes 230 on a dyno stock?watch it on youtube stock its making 200hp 210tq wtf are you getting your info behind a kellogs box?type r, your talking about a motor that has yet to be boosted and stress free motor making 200hp are you serious.obious somebody does not know what they are talking about!!!
horse6581 5 months ago 4
The FN2 is around 205 hp...The Mk6 GTi is around 230 hp (ON A DYNO)...The FN2 is lighter (around 100 Kg) but still, it can't match the GTi due to the power difference.
jimvtecgreece 6 months ago
i drive a vw and my granny drives a v-tech :) also i mow the lawn with one too :D
gadgetguy4000 6 months ago
@gadgetguy4000 whats v-tech?
kusmenklote187 6 months ago
@kusmenklote187 the motor which honda makes so its their own and it sucks jsyk :)
gadgetguy4000 6 months ago
@gadgetguy4000 yeah that makes sense...
kusmenklote187 6 months ago
@kusmenklote187 HAHA jw is that sarcasm? its kinda hard to tell by reading...
gadgetguy4000 6 months ago
@gadgetguy4000 yeah sorry but first of all, its vtec and not v-tech
2nd, vtec is not an engine but variable valve timing :)
3rd, honda engines are actually really good and have better performance then vw engines.
but vw engines are better when used in 'normal' conditions
i have owned a seat and an audi before and i now drive a honda crx and i can honestly say that i would never want to go back to vw group again
kusmenklote187 6 months ago
@kusmenklote187
Both great cars, I've got a mk6 GTI now and use to drive Honda civic type r,
I'd pick VW everytime.
boon111 6 months ago
@kusmenklote187 honda engines are slow no matter how many horsepower you have my grandmas 2011 fit sport goes from 0-60 in 10.8 seconds my dads 2009 golf 0-60 in 8 seonds and my 2011 gti mk6 0-60 in 6.4 seconds....my grandmas fit is already giving her problems and shes had it for a few months! no vw today goes from 0-60 in double digits only hondas can do that plus my gti gets 50mpg and hers gets 44 so her fit is slow, ugly too, cheaply made, and not that economical sorry but i hate hondas
gadgetguy4000 6 months ago
@gadgetguy4000 haha funny, the honda engines are so robust and best engins, you mean slow ?see the b18c engine revs over 11k RPM? sry for my bad english, we germans love honda an volkswagen
DerHamsterHamburg 6 months ago
@DerHamsterHamburg honda engines are pretty relibable i gotta say but almost all hondas go from 0-60 in double digits im a german too but in canada and i love volkswagen
gadgetguy4000 6 months ago
@gadgetguy4000 me to, but i have civic coupe, its a grat car=) wieso sprechen wir kein deutsch?^^
DerHamsterHamburg 6 months ago
@DerHamsterHamburg Ich spreche Deutsch, aber sowieso gefällt mir nicht hondas überhaupt, und ich hasse Honda Civics mit einer Leidenschaft, die ich weiß nicht, warum ich gerade ich liebe zu tun Golf GTI sind sie schnell und praktisch Ich liebe sie Golfs sind erstaunlich
gadgetguy4000 5 months ago
@gadgetguy4000 ja schön für dich=) aber glaub mir die motoren sind besser als vw, wenn du sie so hast musste keine hassprädigt hier machen, und schnneller? niemals der golf GTI TSI hat ein turbo, der civic net sie sind ziehemlich gleich schnell, trotz ohne trubo beim civic.
DerHamsterHamburg 5 months ago
Golf have 226hp?
plakon 6 months ago
k20a2 is the motor from rsx s with ivtec, (inteligent variable timming economic control) to run as a 1.6 at low rpms getting more than 30mpgs when swaped into a civic increases mpg + power due to a lighter car, making 220 to the wheels, not crank, without a turbo running 12.5 on hatch and 13's on coupe without a bit of stress on a motor that has yet to be boosted. are you serious.. reliability and stress free car. boost lag? obviously someone dont know what the hell they are doing.
horse6581 6 months ago
I guess Honda uses a special kind watered-down horses, since if two cars have 200hp and one removes luxury equipment to supposedly make it "lighter", physics dictate that the lighter car should win every time.
YouTube has tons of videos that prove that even then, GTI wins over Type-Rs
HINT: NO torque. Not before VTEC kicking in past 6,500rpm, not even after that.
[V]irtually
[T]orqueless
[E]conomy
[C]ar
flurry 6 months ago
and you vw vvt is old technology do your homework stupid,its i vtec wich means that that k20 will consume fuel as a 1.6L and still make 201 hp all motor
horse6581 6 months ago
A sports cars is measured on speed, first places and 1/4 mile times, NOT on alleged economy.
A 2.0 TURBO GTI gest 21mpg in the city and a whimpy 1.6 Civic barely gets 22mpg!
You're bragging a mere 1 mpg as if that justifies 350 pounds less equipment, featureless noisy cabin and unresponsive VTEC engine that won't accelerate until you push it near the redline, just about the time you need to change gears anyway.
flurry 6 months ago
"K20" stands for 2.0-2.2 litres, never "1.6"!
The 2001 "K20" engine has less torque than a 1999 VW Golf GTI 1.8 engine, and the
"supersized" 2.2 litre Type-R K20 found in European-only markets has the same torque a 1.8 GTI, only at a unusable 6750rpm, versus Golf pulling that power before 4000 rpms and 80% of it available at a mere 1,800rpms. Try to beat that.
Besides, a video's worth 1000 words, and this one clearly shows a GTI kicking a Type-Rs butt
Who's the stupid now?
flurry 6 months ago
after you watch that you can be the judge, and by the way that k20 put out 588 whp w/ stock internals.
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horse6581 6 months ago
and k20 are able to put out more than 450,is that all??you can watch them blow up a k20 w/ 42 psi. w/30 psi it was able to make well over 550 w/stock internals, show me a vw that can do that stock.vid is k20 @ 41.2 psi and you will see who makes better stock motors,germans or japs. good luck to your vw
horse6581 6 months ago
watch this vw lovers@ k20 all motor vs gti pr vs usa 2010,and dont forgetyour tubos bro and popcorn
horse6581 6 months ago
GTIs rule!
Exact same hp, Honda's supposedly lighter and still loses.
Hint: No torque at all. Ever!
VTEC is just a 29 year-old rustic on/off valve timing gizmo and the only "high-tech" feature that Honda brags about. Even little Fiats has more refined VVT valve tech, and GTIs don't even bother mentioning they have it with a bunch of stickers as Honda does.
(V)irtually
(T)orqueless
(E)conomy
(C)ar
flurry 7 months ago
@flurry they were almost even and this type r is just for fukken europ. it weights almost the same like the gti and its got less torque cuz it has a non turbo engine. and the 0-100km/h time the gti is abit faster. but for me a n/a engine is more fun. and by the way look after civic type r fd2. this should be the real deal. it has not much torque but it doesnt need torque to kick a lot of vw asses.
99Lezard99 7 months ago
@99Lezard99
When everybody finally decides to throw away time honored 1/4 mile races and forgoes who gets to the finish line first, in favor of subjetive "fun" and who has the most VTEC stickers, you my friend, would be a better racer than Sebastian Vettel and Honda Civic will be a much better car than the Audi Le Mans R10!
VTEC just kicked in YO!
flurry 7 months ago
@flurry sorry but i really dont know what you trying to say...
n/a engines are way more responsive they sound better and the honda vtec's reving to over 8krpm...
for me this is more fun. i dont need torque if i dont have much weight....
when its about real racing, the formula 1...they using small engines with not much torque and almost no weight and they are fast as hell. dont you know, put power on the car and you are faster on straights, take weight from it and you're faster everywere...
99Lezard99 7 months ago
@99Lezard99
This YouTube video is called "Mk5 GTI vs. the new Civic TypeR", so stick to that or open a discussion forum elsewhere.
"Better sounding" engine or flashy stickers don't win races. Formula One won't come to rescue your beloved Type-R nor erase the FACT that in the 1/4 mile it loses to an actual Grand Tourer (GTI).
As for the fun factor, I don't know about you, but watching a quiet GTI beating a noisy Type-R is fun as hell!
flurry 7 months ago
@flurry i dont deny the gti is faster stock but they need a turbo to get power out of the engine... for a real racer vtec has more power from the same size n/a engine... honda drivers have the option of a turbo aswell...turbo+vtec... if you buy a car to race you are most def gonna modify it... i wouldnt take a vw for racing purposes or luxury for that matter... or reliability... or fuel economy or design or value for money
35dasher 7 months ago
@35dasher
Honda has option to shell $5,000 for a custom turbo job, to barely reach 300hp still with no torque plus horrible lag in addition to the already lax VTEC timing.
If a Honda driver can put that much money, so a GTI. And being Turbo-ready from the factory, a $5,000 job will make a GTI push nearly 450hp, totally reliable, not like your flimsy and already-maxed-out-from-the-factory Type-R.
GTIs have VVT+Turbo, but they don't bother showcasing the former with stickers.
heh heh heh
flurry 7 months ago
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horse6581 6 months ago
@flurry i know that the gti is a bit faster on 1/4 mile and from 0-100km/h....
but for me its no wonder the europ type r weights almost the same and has 190nm the gti has 280nm.
if the civic was lighter it would be even. i wouldnt buy this type r anyway. i like the older ones much more. but dont say the gti is just a grand tourer it has at least 200 hp and the civic to doesnt matter what its called. and dont shit on me because of stickers. its not my fault when others put stickers on their cars
99Lezard99 6 months ago
@99Lezard99
When facing off against a mighty VW GTI, Honda drivers always resort to impossible "if cars" that jams the horsepower of the latest european model, the weight of the earliest japanese model, the "luxury" of the american model, the economy of the hybrid, and top it off with the rock bottom price of the cheapest non-Type-R Honda Civic. You're not different with your "IF the civic was" impossible car.
GTI stands for:
Volkswagen = Grand Touring Injected
Honda VTEC = Get Turbo, Idiot
flurry 6 months ago
@flurry but the gti needs a turbo while honda is naturally aspirated... ie honda makes better engines and car while vws use modifications on crap engines... and vws dont even handle as well...
35dasher 7 months ago
@35dasher
Honda needs to remove "heavy" turbo, rubber floormats, leather trim, adjustable beams, fog lights, steel crash structure, REAL aluminum interior trim, side airbags, 100-amp alternator, heavy duty battery, etc, etc. just to make a slightly lighter car to make its put-put engines FEEL "better", but still cannot defeat a Golf GTI!
he he he!
Next time you race a GTI and lose again, tell everybody that you won on "feel" and "VTEC" stickers worth 400hp each.
VTEC just kicked in YO!
flurry 7 months ago
The thing is this Civic would have been heavily modified and the Golf would still beat it just running stock..
BeExperienced 7 months ago
@BeExperienced
Sure...In your dreams..
Ximon1986 7 months ago
cool race, but put that honda up against Golf R. cyyyya ;-)
AndreasFalk8 8 months ago
Do people not realise that it depends whether this a DSG or manual GTI, because the DSG kicks the manuals butt.
birdman3120 8 months ago
heh on this video is golf 5 gti edition 30 and its faster then civic but not so much faster 230ps 300nm 1332kg 245kmh 6,3 sec 0-100kmh so all that power over the civic but only 0.3sec faster 0-100kmh and 15kmh bigger top speed its disgrace this gti should mach up with jap model civic type r its a sedan version with this specs 225ps@8000rpm STILL NO TURBO 215nm@6100rpm 1270kg with AC heh under 6sec 0-100kmh top speed unknown so honda is faster again uh its pain in the ass for other cars lol
402roadrunner 8 months ago
@402roadrunner have you ever been inside of a gti? because if you had you wouldn't even be making that comparison. The mkv is twice the car the civic is and it doesn't have to sound like a fart can piece of shit to do it. If you compare the price of a type r against a dsg gti the gti wins hands down.
hooahayes 7 months ago
@hooahayes vw-volkswagen or people's car it realy means that, type R-raceing, so wtf, no coment just fact and specs, stop coment if you dont know the specs of cars, yes i have been inside of gti its shitt car o and my mama drives civic under 5 sec 0-100kmh, i dont care for magazins spec they wrighting all kind of shitt, civic typ r beats golf gti and civic typ r ITS beats golf gti mk 5, and honda dont need turbo they know THE POWER OF DREAMS hahahaha
402roadrunner 7 months ago
@402roadrunner I would probably relate some facts to you if I thought you knew english. If the type-r is so great why hasn't it won any kudos? It's a boyracer car with little other utility than sounding obnoxious. The internet is littered with videos of gti's beating type-r's. Personally I'd rather have a car I can drive at civilized rpm's and still have power. And please let me know what civic your mom drives so we can all laugh at your ridiculous comment.
hooahayes 7 months ago
@402roadrunner Your English is fucking terrible bro, I didn't get a word of that.
S1ppy 7 months ago
@S1ppy sorry
402roadrunner 7 months ago
@402roadrunner the fact that you apologized made me feel bad :<
S1ppy 7 months ago
golf 5 gti specs are turbo dohc 4 cilinder 198ps@5100rpm 280nm@1800rpm 1200kg 7,2sec 0-100kmh 235kmh top speed with traction control, so sorry i am wrong the gti has 200ps but its slower then civic see the specs of bouth cars, civic type r specs are no turbo dohc 4 cilinder 197ps@7400rpm 196nm@6500rpm 1204kg 6,6sec 0-100kmh 235kmh top speed so on this vid is golf tunned or bad civic driving
402roadrunner 8 months ago
@402roadrunner oh and you should read what the gti will actually do 0-100kph in. VW rates the gti at 7.0sec 0-60mph, every car magazine that has driven the car has done it in under 6.5. Some as low as 6.1 bone stock. The proof is in the pudding, your honda is getting owned.
hooahayes 7 months ago
older civic is faster then gti v, this is bad driveing in honda, its small diference type r vs gti, i think the civic's are better it has 200ps no turbo and gti has 230ps turbo and its still close race, one that make error loses, sorry for my english
402roadrunner 9 months ago
@402roadrunner Wrong, the GTI has 200ps, the 30 edition GTI has 230ps.
birdman3120 8 months ago
Lol honda vs gti vids , I still haven't seen a video where the dub has lost
Vw>honda everytime!
Don't blame it on the turbo either , go spend 4k on a turbo and fit it to your bolt on civic , while I go stage 1 and still win
Joshuabrutl 9 months ago
People who own hondas are typically stupid. Known fact. Proven fact. By the retards commenting on this video. Vw's 2.0 is by far a better engine. Turbo-fancy valve timing in which Vw implements in there engine to a point. Honda boys do your research, especially when all the videos are of you loosing.
davieclauss 9 months ago
@davieclauss you`ve got no plan. i drove both cars. my friend owns an type r championship white edition and can definitly say, that they the type r is much better in cornering and accelerating as the GTI. That`s fact! By the way. Btw.... i am a student and i owned a civic before.... soooo. Am i stupid? NO! What about u tough guy?
Zerebo1 9 months ago
I drive an ep3. I love it! To be honest, there's too many standard Golfs out there! It's ruined the VW brand. In fact, Audi have gone down the same route... Shame really, over commercialised by buyers who know nothing about the car; just 'I see it everywhere, it's nice'. When do you ever see a Ep3 Type R in Britain?? :)
oAlmostFamous 9 months ago
@1337chsacker vr6 suck dick of a vtec u mean?
afterlyfe33 9 months ago
@1337chsacker
If only it was a VR6..... MK5 GTI is 2.0L Turbo...
daver18qc 10 months ago
that honda has 200bhp.. that golf is the edition 30. it has 230 bhp..
Hypster123 10 months ago
honda>vw
zwijndrechtfilmcrew 11 months ago
@zwijndrechtfilmcrew yeahhh because this race sure supports your opinion
r3rum 9 months ago
jap scrap
Gaelicfella2011 11 months ago
Drag race: turbo > NA
Fearrange 11 months ago
If you want a car that gives you most fun go for a Honda. You can drive daily and go hard cornering ;) Its always nice to see some "drag" sprints. But if you go to the circuit Honda > VW all the time ;)
Boogiemanz 11 months ago
@Boogiemanz Except that's not true at all. And when you buy a Honda, you end up with a Honda. Hondas A-B cars, there's honestly no fun involved with them at all unless it's an S2000.
lamborghiniexotics 11 months ago
@lamborghiniexotics
I think you have never driven both.. And seeing your name we cant realy take you serious.
VW diesel is fun for A-B for the milleage. Honda is fun all the time ;)
Go to your local Honda dealer and ask a test drive in a CTR go some cornering and rev it to 9000RPM's
Boogiemanz 11 months ago
@Boogiemanz I have driven both. The SI feels very, very slow unless you're revving the shit out of it. Not that way with a GTI, loads of torque down low (I would know, I own one, picked it over the Honda).
lamborghiniexotics 11 months ago
@lamborghiniexotics
Your comparing a GTI with turbo vs and Civic Si non turbo. Having almost the same ammount HP only diffrence is 2hp. And they only achieved that with the original engine that has 150Hp just put an turbo on it.
You should compare the Gti with the CTR Japanese and then you will have equals ;)
Still the Honda > VW on every front :D
Boogiemanz 11 months ago
@Boogiemanz You're really ignorant if you think they used the old 2.0 N/A engine and stuck a turbo on it. Plus, horsepower sells cars, torque wins races. Honda is worse than VW at almost everything except reliability. Let's see enjoyability - VW, interior quality - VW, Other companies owned - VW. I can keep going. Oh yeah, you also don't have a bunch of faggot ricers that rice out VWs.
lamborghiniexotics 11 months ago
@lamborghiniexotics
Come to europe maybe come to germany or anything arround those country's
VW are the Rice cars of today :D
Boogiemanz 11 months ago
@Boogiemanz Maybe I'll see that this summer when I go to Germany for a month. Only cars riced out here are cheap Chevrolets, Hondas and Toyotas.
lamborghiniexotics 11 months ago
@lamborghiniexotics
Thats why... you have an opinion about a brand that isnt even populair in your country.
You talk about how great the car is when your comparements arent even relevant...
1 on 5 people ride a VW here.. and most are totaly bumper cars
Boogiemanz 11 months ago
@lamborghiniexotics
O btw lambo boy..
i done the research about 0-100 (km/h)
Honda civic type R EP3 JDM 6.2
VW Golf 2.0 TSFI GTI (so the turbo lol) 6.9
Aaaaaaah :( now also look on how good both are on the track.. Stop posting bullshit like VW is so great.
I know both cars realy well, If you like interior dont buy a vw or a honda go for and Audi its same engine just nicer interior lol...
Then i would recommend Audi S3
Boogiemanz 11 months ago
@Boogiemanz VW is known for understating their cars' 0-60 times. Honda is actually known for doing the exact opposite.
lamborghiniexotics 11 months ago
@Boogiemanz idk hes correct about the fact that the vdub has tons of torque down low... and torque moves the car... not horse power... i would have to agree that vw is more superior than honda... american dubbing that is... its totally different comparing european dubbing to american dubbing....
r3rum 9 months ago
@lamborghiniexotics
Ok mr expert here you go
2.0 FSI* 1.984 cm³ 4-in-lijn 16V 150 pk 200 Nm 2004 - 2007 (n/a)
2.0 TFSI GTI 1.984 cm³ 4-in-lijn 16V 200 pk 280 Nm 2004 - 2008 (turbo)
Boogiemanz 11 months ago
I'm trying to decide between a GTI or Civic SI. I don't have any loyalties though honda seems to have had a better track record for reliability. I do like the feel and looks of the VW better, but didn't VW have a bad track record for electrical and break downs with expensive repairs? And is the fact that VW's are assembled in Mexico and hondas in USA have a real bearing on quality?
ooSilverSurferoo 1 year ago
@ooSilverSurferoo VW has all electrical kinds worked out of the mk5's and same mk6, they also have AMAZING warranties so even if something goes wrong you dont have to pay for it. I have daily driven a stage 2 mk5 gti for 3 years and iv driven it HARD and the only thing thats ever gone wrong was a coil going out...200 bucks to replace outside of the dealership... If youre looking for the car you can mod the best for the least amount of money and some decent torque GTI is the only way to go.
alexptry 11 months ago
@ooSilverSurferoo The GTI is actually the last VW sold in America that's still built in Wolfsburg, Germany along with the Golf/Rabbit.
lamborghiniexotics 11 months ago
dude german cars beat all hands down whether it be awd rwd fwd doesnt matter
diettmann 1 year ago
@diettmann can u give me an example? I will give u one a bmw m6 which is a 5.0 v10 does 0-60 in 4.6 (rwd) and an evo 8 mr fq 400 2.0 twin turbo supercharged does 0-60 in 3.5 ( awd) and if you watch some videos online you will see german cars getting destroyed on tracks and on straights. Not only that the best drift cars are awd and most of them are Japanese cars. Rwd cars are much harder to handle and are dangerous when driving fast and Awd cars are much more easier to handle.
JeezyRyder 1 year ago
@JeezyRyder so srry to burst ur bubble cause im an evo owner but formula D rules state ur car must be rear wheel drive.... also awd cars are HARDER to drift due to the high amounts of grip. FOR example i just got new rubber on my car, wanted to take em for a spin in a parking lot. 70 mph around a 90 degree turn and hardly and sliding, tho alot of squeiling. rear wheel cars for drift. awd for grip.
specialdeathx 1 year ago
@specialdeathx u should try putting slicks on ure evo and drift as formula d are considering changing form fwd and rwd to awd with slick tyres and my point was that although high perfomance german cars are mostly rwd they dont get used in drifting Jap cars do with have been converted to rwd as they are the Mothers of drifting and i will let u know when formula d change their rules very soon
JeezyRyder 1 year ago
@specialdeathx r u should try putting slicks on ure evo and drift as formula d are considering changing form fwd and rwd to awd with slick tyres and my point was that although high perfomance german cars are mostly rwd they dont get used in drifting Jap cars do with have been converted to rwd as they are the Mothers of drifting and i will let u know when formula d change their rules which will be every soon
JeezyRyder 1 year ago
@JeezyRyder jeezy u dont kno what ur talking about NO cars in formula d are Front wheel drive, u CANT drift front wheel drive cars SMFH!. and NO they are not changing the rules u wanna kno why, drifting is judged on Angle, thats how sideways the car can get, speed, which is how fast the car goes, line, which is the path that take, and overall impact. the fact of the matter is u CANT get the angle in a 4wd car so stfu
specialdeathx 1 year ago
@specialdeathx may be wanna try typing in 4wd drift subaru in youtube and in formula d their r both fwd and rwd please do some more research before u comment next time
JeezyRyder 1 year ago
@JeezyRyder hey dumb fuck look up the formula drift car specifications and rules it STATES and i QUOTE " Although Formula D does not permit Front-wheel drive cars, it does allow front-wheel drive cars to be converted to rear wheel drive, one example of this is Ken Gushi's rear wheel drive Scion tC.Unlike the D1 series, in which the cars are numbered according to the driver's ranking, drivers in Formula D are given fixed numbers for their cars." so stfu and do UR research and dont argue with me
specialdeathx 1 year ago
@specialdeathx lol mate it looks like youve done a copy and paste job from wikipedia maybe u should read the latest car magizines and at your level it would be best to start with maxpower and please dont post back because i dont have time to argue with people like u who know about car ha ha ha ( only dicks reply back to this)
JeezyRyder 1 year ago
@JeezyRyder that was straight from the formula Drift website -_- and i guess im a dick then.... and i dont NEED to read magazines i GO drifting and u CANT drift in a front wheel drive car u moron u dont NEED power in a drift car, what u need is a light car with rear wheel drive and enough tq to get the wheels loose. JEZUS why is everyone on youtube so FUCKING stupid?!?!?!
specialdeathx 1 year ago
@diettmann and as far as ur statement goes. false. i destroy beemers, mercs, audis, u name it. german cars are nice but theyre on the same lvl as every other major car manufacturing country
specialdeathx 1 year ago
Have u ever seen what the NEW NISSAN GTR IS CAPABLE OF DOING TO A TRACK? HAVE U EVER SEEN WHAT A SIERRA RS COSWORTH CAN DO AROUND A TRACK? HAVE U EVER SEEN WHAT A MITSUBISHI EVO 8 FQ MR400 CAN DO AROUND A TRACK? AND I THINK WE HAVE ALL SEEN WHAT A BUGATTIi VEYRON CAN DO AROUND A TRACK AND NOT ONE OF THE CARS U LISTED ARE GERMAN
JeezyRyder 1 year ago
@JeezyRyder wrong veyron is german
despitetheloss 1 year ago
@despitetheloss lol i know its german what i said was not one of the cars the other guy has listed is german
JeezyRyder 1 year ago
pretty good race
GraveDiggerIII 1 year ago
I own a gti mkv but god danm man that K20 is some evil shet when tuned.
alondrapr2002 1 year ago
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Haha there is nothing good about any Civic.. lol
ajsullyvincennes 1 year ago
German cars are made to go fast on a straight and they look good inside and outside. Jap cars are just purely built to race with as most jap cars are good track cars unlike 2wd and rear wheel drive German cars. Personally to race i would get a jap car and to cruise around looking good i would go for a German car.
JeezyRyder 1 year ago
@JeezyRyder rear wheel drive cars are like... the best track cars...
ronkerjake 1 year ago
@ronkerjake i think u should do your research and then tell me whats the best rear wheel drive car and then i will name u the best 4 wd car and it will be 100 times better than what u say
JeezyRyder 1 year ago
@JeezyRyder thats hilarious man it really is. have you ever seen what a corvette can do on a track? formula 1? gumpert apollo s? ferrari? ill stop
ronkerjake 1 year ago
These fuckin' rice lovers are just jelous...they can't handle the truth. Das Auto mothafukars!
Pikudo64 1 year ago
The Civic must have some mods, otherwise, it would be left behind by a football field or more.
Pikudo64 1 year ago
golf is turbo ....honda not turbo .....Stupid(Weak) match .We can not compared a turbo engine and an atmospheric engine it is impossible
hondavtec25 1 year ago
@hondavtec25 haahha what?!? and why everybody compare supra vs m3? supra (2x turbo engine) and m3 (atmospheric engine)... screw you bitch, your fucking honda losed soo shut the fuck up!
dsito2 1 year ago
The GTI won
xxcanzxx 1 year ago
Honda = more reliable. Japanese build quality ftw!
avanzatotrxx 1 year ago
@avanzatotrxx (Honda = more reliable. Japanese build quality ftw!) What? You got to be kidding me... You clearly never owned a VW.
Ky7yL 1 year ago
Man, why are people always hating on one type of car or another? I love all cars and think they're awesome. I like Japanese cars, Euro cars, and American cars... They're all fun in their own way.
grado1000 1 year ago
the civic is 5 grand less, its faster ( prooved by top gear ) is more reliable, its got a bigger boot. and in my opinion better looking.
vteckicksarse 1 year ago
@vteckicksarse interior is amazing
quatroportte 1 year ago
@quatroportte agreed!
vteckicksarse 1 year ago
golf better in every way...nuff said...
kemp1011984 1 year ago
@kemp1011984
except interior....and quality...and price...
quatroportte 1 year ago
stock?
178675907 1 year ago
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In AUS, on road costs of these cars is very different. Civic Type R always had $39990 drive away and you could easily get $37000. (I nearly bought one). GTi with a few nice options on it, $53500 for the one I wanted, and as high as $61000 fully optioned. Different class of cars. VW = German build and finish Honda = Pokemon plastic techno thrills
Mailme81 1 year ago
In AUS, on road costs of these cars is very different. Civic Type R always had $39990 drive away and you could easily get $37000. (I nearly bought one). GTi with a few nice options on it, $53500 for the one I wanted, and as high as $61000 fully optioned. Different class of cars. VW = German build and finish Honda = Pokemon plastic techno thrills
Mailme81 1 year ago
@Mailme81
VW = German build and finish and owners have 2nd home for their cars at the dealers service department.
hondacar 1 year ago
Every video I see with these cars racing the golf is always faster.
jasonf81 1 year ago
@jasonf81 because the golf is faster. lmao those shitty ass honda's are not in a vw's league. vw is parted with audi and a honda verse a audi.... what a joke. so it runs in the family. (:
Mk3slammed 1 year ago
VW GOLF is the best hatchback ever
hosm3m6 1 year ago 9
if the gti had dsg he would of gotten smoked really badd =D
HylianFury 1 year ago
@HylianFury umm r you crazy? dsg is faster then any drive in a manuel gearbox...
blindrawing 1 year ago
whoever buys the new type r's are fucking retarded!
Ramos13192 1 year ago
on paper these cars are about the same.
VW 0-60 6.6s or with DSG 6.4s
Honda 0-60 6.4s
Vw must have had DSG gearbox and honda driver must suck.
Veedub 4 life
jasonf81 1 year ago
no the vw had a manual
WeNeedFoodPlease 1 year ago
that's not even a 2.0t gti that's just a regular 2.5. god rest the vr6
brochill69 1 year ago
how do you know thats not a 2.5?
and the vr6 still exists just not in gtis or jettas, its in the CC, which to me doesnt make any sense.
dividad1 1 year ago
na vs turbo????
palukas80 1 year ago
honda need to start putting turbos on there type r, golf rules
jasonf81 2 years ago
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The EP3 Type R is faster than that ugly piece of crap. -_-
meatdept 2 years ago
GTI FTW!
mikethebeast1012 2 years ago 5
pretty even race considering one is turbocharged.
sh1ftn 2 years ago
@sh1ftn The GTI also weighs 500 lbs more. Throw a couple of fatties in the back seat of the Civic and see how it does in that race.
theeponym 2 years ago
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No, the GTI(manual) weighs about the same as a Type R.around 1345kgs.
YOU don't know anything about TYPE Rs You never had them in your country and that's why you've been brainwashed into believing that GTIs are performance machines.
GTIs have to be chipped or have the "Nancy" boy DSG transmission to have ANY credibility.,
Overrated 1970's crap boxes!
hondacar 2 years ago
yeah thats why that gti just shit on that type r, good one
coecoepuff2 2 years ago
You GTI fanbois just will not admit that a NA engine will easily keep up with the inferior VW turbo engine.
In some clips I've seen,the Type R has won against the manual GTI.
hondacar 2 years ago
it's got vtec, that's not really NA. If the honda didnt have vtec it would be way slower.
jasonf81 1 year ago
@hondacar and in those few and rare clips, if there are even THAT many, the vw driver sucked and/or the civic was modded.
VoR8705 1 year ago
@hondacar oh and GTI fanbois? your screen name is hondacar you fucking troll!
VoR8705 1 year ago
@VoR8705
It's Youtube you moron!.It's not a mutual admiration society site for VWs.
hondacar 1 year ago
@hondacar my comment = over your head / your intellect
VoR8705 1 year ago
@hondacar Amen on that brother =) jajaja AMEN on that! :S i will never say that better than you JAJAJA i respect type Rs althought i own a r26 megane :P but yeah overrated crap boxes! =)
skfalco 1 year ago
Personaly, I think Type R is better because, it is N/A 2L, compare to GTI Turbo 2L
tamatama14 2 years ago
Fn2 type r is faster and better type r ever moterfucers..Civic ftw..
Vroumvroumhehe 2 years ago
the FN2 isnt as good as the EP3
first off, the chassis and suspension setup is poor (simply to cut costs) and it only has 1bhp more from that K20A (but a lot more weight)
if you would like me to continue, please ask...
quadman309 2 years ago
My Grandmother's Camry > both
dunkchamp 2 years ago
GTI>CIVIC
turbonite21 2 years ago 5
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CIVIC>GTI
hondacar 2 years ago
Golf GTI AWESOME!!
lilshinkyxD 2 years ago 3
I'm buying one soon... a used one... 2003 -2005.
Limbsy 2 years ago
of course the gti won lol
mikethebeast1012 2 years ago 3
is it just me or does any civic nowadays look sooo gay
bajachicken 2 years ago 42
lol like the rest looked any better? this one is the superior "cockroach" going on...the older ones were ants..
WeNeedFoodPlease 1 year ago
@bajachicken They always have lol
zomg222 1 year ago
@bajachicken they always did
jf61234 1 year ago
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Man...FF cars are slow. Don't care who's faster. They are both shopping trolleys.
sleepyf1 2 years ago