15 Segundos -Cidade de Sderot sob o ataque de misseis

[Shoyer01]

Excellent video which shows what we face...

[Frankycent1]

well its really horrible what happens...but be true...it wouldnt be like this if the israelish people wouldnt have come to this country

[AhazAlford]

Actually, when the first Jewish settlers began arriving in Palestine the Arabs and Muslims welcomed them. The two ethnic groups actually prospered together because they came from backgrounds that were complimentary. The Arabs wanted to sell land and move to the cities, the Jews wanted to buy land. The problem started in 1967 after the 6 day war when Israel occupied Gaza, Westbank, and Sinai.-

[AhazAlford]

In 2005, however, Israel attempted to return the captured territories. They removed 8,000 Israelis from Gaza, removed military persons and installations in Gaza, began taking steps toward the removal of the barrier, and began dismantling settlements in the Westbank. The Palestinians returned the favor by reducing rocket fire by 98%.-

[AhazAlford]

But in early 2006 Hamas won a majority seats in the Palestinian parliament. Bolstered by their victory they began expelling democratically elected Fatah members and slaughtering anyone who did not support them. They illegally kidnapped Gilad Shalit, an Israeli, and Israel demanded he be returned to his family. When Hamas refused and starting making demands Israel responded with Operation Summer Rains-

[AhazAlford]

In this operation Israel broke international law and destroyed Gazas only power plant. The Palestinians were so hurt by this that they began supporting Hamas war and thus you have an increase of rocket fire that eventually culminated in Operation Cast Leadwhich brought MORE rocket fire.

[Shoyer01]

@Frankycent1 So right! As your grandparents in Germnay really treated them nice, ha? ;-) I'm sure that even today some Germans ask themselves how come Hilter didn't finish his Job.

[Frankycent1]

@Shoyer01 sure, there are always some idiots in the world but germany

was destroyed and devided in two parts from americans and russian people,

so they couldn´t continue to do this shit...

and who says, that even after all this shit.. the jewish people are allowed

to go to another country and simply take it?

ps: whats about the black people, should they take the work

back, that they did for the white man, when they were slaves

like the jewes took "their" country?

[Shoyer01]

@Frankycent1 Idiots? 6 million jews and homosexuals and gypsys and others?

Our defenition to idiots I think is quite different. Please tell me how the German people just stood and salute the "idiot" and helped him to kill so many people? Germany doesn't have any right to lecture others about human rights or anything else.

To the point, THERE WAS NO PALESTINE STATE that the jews came and took. This was an English colony and Turkish before. The UN decided the it's goanna be jewish state.

[Frankycent1]

@Shoyer01

you know what i mean with "idiot", my english isn´t well, so i´m

not able to say everything how i would like to, sorry for this.

...but who sais that the english people have the right to do this? are they god? do they have the right to give the jewish people a whole country

(or colony) with millions of people in it? well offical it´s legal but

are colonies themselves right?

[Frankycent1]

@Shoyer01

if you say yes then you aren´t better than

the germans who helped hitler, but if you say no, then

you´ve got a problem:

then whole europe and the usa are not alowed to say anything about human rights!

and what is the UN without those states? nothing!

[Shoyer01]

@Frankycent1 Watch this video and tell me what the UN worth?

watch?v=obUhOcTSD1I

[Frankycent1]

@Shoyer01 yes the un is crab.

and thats what i mean... the germans have done horrible things,

but all the others too, the colonies got free AFTER the 2. world war

(in the war the africans had to fight and die for the countrys who

punished and killed them) so what i don´t understand is: why are ONLY

the germans the bad guys...why did everyone forget about that?

is it because the africans weren´t killed an punished as fast as the jewes?

they were punished over generations.

[Shoyer01]

@Frankycent1 There are many problems in this world in many places. When the UN was established it was suppose to have a meaning and goals. But naturally, what happened is that the hostility between the countries moved to a different place. AND PEOPLE ARE STILL DYING. But back to our subject and facts.

1. Israeli was established as a jewish country by the UN.

2. Palestinians were offered for a country too. They declined

3. Read about camp david in year 2000 - what israel offered. sill declined

[Frankycent1]

@Shoyer01 1. but that brings me back to the question: why?

the war was over and the countries who killed the jewes were destroyed,

so why did the UN do this? the one war ended, but with the decision of the

UN there began another one.

2.+3. what would you do if some guy who live on the other side of the world

would decide that you have to leave your home, because others should get

it? and living in a camp? you put refugees in camps but this country is

their home, why should the act like refugees?

[Shoyer01]

@Frankycent1 The arab refugees has a state... it's called Jordan. 90% of Jordan population is Palestinians... did you know that? please find some information. You can find it also on this show:

ctstv.com/ontario/player.php?c­tsvidID=17133&show=On

What is your solutions for the Jews? go back to europe where they were murdered? If you were a jew... what would you do and what would you expect the world to do for you?

[Frankycent1]

@Shoyer01 The Jews were clever and educated people, they would have found everywhere in the world her place and to have without fear of infringements because the world would not venture such a mistake (at least the Jews concerning) any more. And yes, for sure i would expect the world to do sth. and i would have been very happy about getting a own country,,,but:

What whould you do as palestinian, if you were banned because auf those people and there wouldn´t be a chance to get your home back?

[Shoyer01]

@Frankycent1 Is that so? Every year Israel count the number of antisemi events in the world and every year you can see it's more and more... jews don't have to be afraid?

I always hear people in europe complaining about the situation of the palestinians... but they never have nothing to say about the jews problem. I wonder why...

I want to remind that UN decided in 1947 to establish a jewish state... and you are questioning it.

What's your solutions for the jews?

[Frankycent1]

@Shoyer01 here´s my solution:

they should live like any other human on earth! don´t act like it isn´t possible,even after everthing that happened they have to live on

it sounds hard but it is possible they should stop excluding

themselves and fight for a good life! they allready have got rights,

they only need respect and if you look at them today(news), the only thing you can see is death and this

doesen´t deserve any respect(but i know it´s the fault of the UN, this shouldhave never happen)

[Shoyer01]

@Frankycent1 I'm sorry, but you don't understand the conflict. Please tell me if you think that Israel (as a jewish state) should live next to a palestinine state or Israel should be an Arab country as Hamas demands.

What do you think is right?

[Frankycent1]

@Shoyer01 i do understand the conflict and my 1. statement shows exactly

what i think about this situatoin.

i think that you don´t want to accept my answer: it says, that NOW it´s allready to

late, the jewes won´t go away and the palestinans will continiue to attack

israel...sad , but the truth. maybe one day, after thousends of dead people

and long years of war, they will find their peace ;-)

[Shoyer01]

@Frankycent1 The fact that you and your Kanzler accepts the attacks on Israel is very sad. The fact that Germany is willing to sit in the UN next to Ahmadinijad which has the same belifes as Hitler is very sad... The way the world treats Israel is sad, after Israel offered the Palestinians 90% of west bank, east Jerusalem and Gaza back.

[Frankycent1]

@Shoyer01 well the world at all is sad! you aren´t and won´t be able to

make everyone happy and there will always be another fight. there are things, that can´t be changed, so the people do their best to do not the same mistakes aggain.

[Shoyer01]

@Frankycent1 That's what you think? That the world is a sad place so we can seat quitely and not do anything? Last time it ended by 50 million people killed, 6 million of them jews.

I'll tell you what I as a jew happy to see... I'm happy to see how the turks and other muslims are taking over europe. And one day... not so far away... your rights as a german citizen will somehow desapre.

[Frankycent1]

@Shoyer01 well thats another view^^

(i am half african and i am a muslim, so...well this way wouldn´t end that bad for me)

but this shows me, that you kind of hate germans...forgive man, forgive...

how i already said the africans were treated like dirt..and this hundreds of years

and i´m shure that more africans died that jewes (even if from hunger because of the white man took everything) and this prozess is still going on... but they

have to live one you know...for them its even harder :,-(

[Frankycent1]

@Shoyer01 so lets stop this discussion right here (were turning into circle)

it was a nice discussion and i hope, that you don´t hate me now bye ;-)

[Shoyer01]

@Frankycent1 ok, I'll end it by saying that I don't hate anyone. The company I'm partner of is working directly with German company and I'm there very month. However, we cannot forget what happened in the past and we need to be aware of the future. Israel was established by the UN in 1947 as a jewish state next to the palestinian state. For some reason they didn't accepet it. I hope they will in the future. Till then, the IDF will be here to protect us. Shalom from Israel.

[TheRedLuigi]

@Shoyer01

1. Dont campare the media today to teh media70 Years ago. There was no free radio, newspapers or television. The majority of germans didnt know what was happening to the jews, homosexuals and gypsis. And thso who know where eather rasists themselfes, to afraid to do somethign against it or actually stood up against this and where killed.

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2. germany HAS teh right to lecture others about human rights. No one is responsible for teh actiosn of their ancestors. period

[caparoni]

well said :)

AM ISRAEL CHAI !