You would really have to be drunk for that to stop you from getting a takedown. If I were to attempt a double leg or single leg takedown, I would not be coming at you slowly and my momentum would not be easy to shift like it was there. The momentum would continue whether your hand was on my head or not and I would take you down. The real secret to not getting taken down is not "simple", it's sprawling and it's exactly what MMA fighters who want to stay standing use to stop a grappler themselves.
the best way to defend against this, is to simply tell the man, that if if lays a hand on you, he's risking possibly hurting you, without knowing if you'll suffer a serious injury. If that were to happen, he would be interfering with the ***** ******* business. They can't have one of there men in the hospital, putting them behind. He would have to live in hiding. Would he want that? Then you walk away, n still find out where he lives, through plate numbers, or so on. send him an eyeball.
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What a joke! This clown said it best, "works against drunks", because that's the ONLY person you can probably pull it off on, you will NEVER pull it off on a sober guy, let along a grappler who knows what he's doing, fukc it, even a average UFC fan would destroy this guy and take him down and slam him. @Cqctraining Delete these videos, close your account and hang yourself! You're selling fried ice-cream, and ain't nobody buying it.
The attacker in blue isn't reacting to the pushing on the head. He is going to his knee then back by himself. Basicly you train like this you don't train to full push them.
I know looking at the comments this might be the least of a worry, but keep this in mind. Because I've found this out in my training.
@bushidolovecock - true. Of course this could be trained much more realistically, but this grappling move was slowed down for camera field of view and instruction. I'll admit it's harder to pull off at full speed, but moving your body to the side at the same time makes it easier and even if you don't get it right, it takes you out of the direct line of attack which also helps. Thanks for your input.
@cqctraining Fair enough we agree. I train in a move like this. But I find I always need to keep in mind to use push on their resistance. And some times ppl don't resist in training though.
The context in which you present this technique is what invites the criticism. Your attacker would have to be beyond "drunk" and close to unconsciousness, in which case simply sidestepping or any number of other techniques would work because the guy is just a takedown waiting to happen. Hooking the arm and stuffing the head works, but it works better if it is at least practiced athletically instead of just standing there.
@Fletch828 - you're correct. Very good assessment. Don't really care about criticism....love constructive conversation and feedback though. Intelligent debate is always welcome and I love to hear other opinions and ideas so keep 'em coming.
Ive done this in real-life a couple times. I prefer to put my hand on the back of the neck because i feel when pushing down on the head you have to push down further because they can sink their head down because the joints in their neck still have spece to move downwards. If you push directly from the neck they dont really have much room to bend downwards so they fall with the technique. Great technique.
@deathstick45 - Because wrestlers possess superhuman fighting powers? Body mechanics are body mechanics. Leverage is leverage. Any technique must be practiced in order to become truly proficient in it so if you're saying that wrestlers are "better" at taking someone down, then sure, it's going to be more challenging...but not if you train with this technique.
(BTW - this grappling move also may "not work at all" against ninjas, Bas Rutten, zombies and leprechauns.)
Oh god where do i start? well for one a wrestler would have proper form on a double leg takedown (which i assume your 'wrestler' is trying to do), which means his elbows would be in (meaning you couldnt hook it), and a little pressure on the head would be negated by proper posture. Secondly any wrestler worth his salt would hit that double quicker than you could react. we train this for hours on end on a daily basis. Thirdly, your little 'technique' leaves the wrestler at your feet
which is a terrible place for you since he can just finish you with a low single or work his way up to what ever he wants. Trust me when i say you are not getting that leg free from someone who knows what they are doing. OH YEAH! and i might add that while wrestlers might not be superhumans they tend to be in phenomenal shape. It is after all our passion to pick up dudes and throw them through the air.
@deathstick45 - Good explanation. I actually agree with you, but that's true in any street fight. The Average Joe facing ANY fighter (boxer, wrestler, etc.) who's experienced to the level you're talking about is at a serious disadvantage. That's why we train these techniques - to be skilled in self defense so vs. a wrestler (for example) we may use this grappling move (which CAN work) and have a chance, right? Skill vs. skill - be better than your attacker (wrestler or not).
Im just go ahead and suggest you revise your technique and make a new video. First of all the guy taking a shot in this video is doing a lot of things wrong. i understand this is purely demonstrative but that shot was a bit insulting to wrestlers in general. In my opinion instead of emphasizing specific technique on wrestlers you should stress concepts. For example dont stand straight up, and dont tie up with your opponent.
@deathstick45 Why do you keep referring to wrestlers? It's makes no fucking sense. A normal person isn't going to be a fucking wrestler, and even if they are moderate in that sport this tech would work against them because they don't expect a nobody to use it against them. You need to stop giving the attacker too much credit. If he tried this on an MMA fight I bet you money it would work because the trained professional isn't expecting him to counter, unlike their profession.
theres simply to much depth in technique within wrestling for you to counter things on a technique by technique basis. And in regards to the technique itself if you want to improve it take a look at what a lot of the techniques wrestlers use. Simply sprawling on your oppenent is by far the best defense. leaving your legs exposed like that will have disastrous consequences.
@deathstick45 - In other comments I state the sprawl as a grappling move is recommended. There's no one technique that's "better" than another. Whatever grappling move you can become proficient in and use when you need it is the "best" self defense technique. I have another self defense video that even shows what to do if you're already being tackled and can't sprawl. This isn't insulting to wrestlers. It's not an "I can beat anyone up" 100% move - just another grappling move you can use.
@cqctraining I personally am a wrestler and I do MMA. I am pretty certain this would not stop my takedown as I don't shoot with my arms in airplane mode (I keep my elbows tight and in) I lower my level too far to reach under me without doing MORE than a simple bend over. A sprawl is the best solution for a double-leg.
@deathstick45 How many hard training, and physically fit wrestlers are out mugging people on a daily basis? This is self-defense techniques, not wrestling in a ring techniques. For the average Joe versus the average attacker, this is more than sufficient.
@punchdrunkatheist Considering how many high schools and colleges in America that have had wrestling programs for decades, quite a bit. You cant assume that someone attacking you is an average joe. Prepare for the worst hope for the best. This video does not prepare for the worst. quite the opposite actually.
@cqctraining Guess what, wrestlers are training strength and cardio constantly. Use techniques that harness leverage a lot better than this video technique does. Spend hours a day hurling other full grown men through the air, and compete against tough competition very often. You present this move like its gonna stop a wrestler 100% of the time, it wont. to the people reading this comment, if you want to learn how to stop a wrestler, learn from a wrestler. They know what they are talking about.
@vincentrich the guy in the blue shirt is not a good example of how a wrestler would react. Even if you got them down on the ground with this technique a wrestler still has a very large toolbox to work with. If anything you're in more trouble. Wrestlers are used to long grueling chess matches of strength, technique, speed, and stamina, where the ultimate goal is to physically dominate. Pushing down on the neck is not enough to stop that.
I hear you, but how many seasoned wrestlers do you expect to rumble with in a bar/street fight? With a good system, you could destroy most average guys without being the biggest or strongest guy around.
@zip0vid - The sprawl is another great option as a grappling technique. The only thing I don't like about it is that it also puts you on the ground in with your attacker and I normally don't like to turn a stand up fight into a ground fighting scenario.
The sprawl DEFINITELY has a place as a grappling move in a groundfighting technique arsenal though.
@happykillmore88 - Definitely like the knee to face as a grappling move counterattack. I've not found the same thing though with drunk wrestlers.
When I've been in real fights with drunks, they telegraph their punch more readily and they move in slow motion. The drunker someone is, the easier they harder they are to talk down...but the easier they are to take down. ;-)
Uhh IDK about all the rest of you, but this really wouldn't work @ full speed. If the guy is smaller than you sure, but not when he's much larger. and if he has his elbows pulled tight, then its gonna be really hard to get that hook in. Besides if you have that hook in a knee to the face is a great way to go, cause its a more natural motion than this.
@TheChristianTKDGuy - the move itself actually works very well. The main problem is that in a real street fight, your reaction time makes this difficult to pull off. If someone is trying a grappling move from a bit of a distance in a fight, it's easier, but it still takes time.
In a close quarters combat fight though, it's a tough technique to catch mid-move and use against the attacker.
I've used this one time but the guy was drunk and he was moving in slow motion ;-) - But it does work.
@cqctraining Gotcha, the concept is good. using each side of the body to turn him and redirect. Just not applicable for very fast people or close quarters.
@TheChristianTKDGuy - I would definitely agree with that TheChristianTKDGuy. Speed is of the essence and there is a "oops - too late!" point in your opponent's tackle. You definitely need lots of self defense tools in your belt.
I have another video on my channel for the "too late" factor that works as well. It's called "Close Combat Ground Fighting - Defeating A Takedown"
Feel free to leave any professional comments on that video as well.
@a1b26442 - Size isn't the issue. The self defense technique itself doesn't require strength or size. In actual fights, a 280 lb guy isn't likely to go at you this way. They're instinct is to punch, not pull a grappling move. They're typically strikers because they know they can throw a punch like a freight train so that's what they go for.
And yes...drunk guys actually do move slower and I've used this self defense technique against one person and he was drunk (made it easier).
You would really have to be drunk for that to stop you from getting a takedown. If I were to attempt a double leg or single leg takedown, I would not be coming at you slowly and my momentum would not be easy to shift like it was there. The momentum would continue whether your hand was on my head or not and I would take you down. The real secret to not getting taken down is not "simple", it's sprawling and it's exactly what MMA fighters who want to stay standing use to stop a grappler themselves.
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the best way to defend against this, is to simply tell the man, that if if lays a hand on you, he's risking possibly hurting you, without knowing if you'll suffer a serious injury. If that were to happen, he would be interfering with the ***** ******* business. They can't have one of there men in the hospital, putting them behind. He would have to live in hiding. Would he want that? Then you walk away, n still find out where he lives, through plate numbers, or so on. send him an eyeball.
Pyxo8888 2 months ago
also you would need to sprawl
JUKEBOXX1990 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
its not that easy..lol
JUKEBOXX1990 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
why don´tcha just knee him in the head?? instant knockout and u wont even break a sweat
HupfDole87 3 months ago
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What a joke! This clown said it best, "works against drunks", because that's the ONLY person you can probably pull it off on, you will NEVER pull it off on a sober guy, let along a grappler who knows what he's doing, fukc it, even a average UFC fan would destroy this guy and take him down and slam him. @Cqctraining Delete these videos, close your account and hang yourself! You're selling fried ice-cream, and ain't nobody buying it.
MotherIand 4 months ago
The attacker in blue isn't reacting to the pushing on the head. He is going to his knee then back by himself. Basicly you train like this you don't train to full push them.
I know looking at the comments this might be the least of a worry, but keep this in mind. Because I've found this out in my training.
bushidolovecock 7 months ago
@bushidolovecock - true. Of course this could be trained much more realistically, but this grappling move was slowed down for camera field of view and instruction. I'll admit it's harder to pull off at full speed, but moving your body to the side at the same time makes it easier and even if you don't get it right, it takes you out of the direct line of attack which also helps. Thanks for your input.
cqctraining 6 months ago
@cqctraining Fair enough we agree. I train in a move like this. But I find I always need to keep in mind to use push on their resistance. And some times ppl don't resist in training though.
bushidolovecock 6 months ago
The attacker in blue isn't reacting to the pushing on the head. He is going to his knee then back by himself.
Basicly you train like this you don't train to full push them.
I know looking at the comments this might be the least of a worry, but keep this in mind.
bushidolovecock 7 months ago
The context in which you present this technique is what invites the criticism. Your attacker would have to be beyond "drunk" and close to unconsciousness, in which case simply sidestepping or any number of other techniques would work because the guy is just a takedown waiting to happen. Hooking the arm and stuffing the head works, but it works better if it is at least practiced athletically instead of just standing there.
Fletch828 7 months ago
@Fletch828 - you're correct. Very good assessment. Don't really care about criticism....love constructive conversation and feedback though. Intelligent debate is always welcome and I love to hear other opinions and ideas so keep 'em coming.
cqctraining 6 months ago
Nothing works against Bas Rutten lol
wixxnelke 8 months ago
It's like suggesting a boxer cannot be KO'd outside the ring.
kikook222 11 months ago
Ive done this in real-life a couple times. I prefer to put my hand on the back of the neck because i feel when pushing down on the head you have to push down further because they can sink their head down because the joints in their neck still have spece to move downwards. If you push directly from the neck they dont really have much room to bend downwards so they fall with the technique. Great technique.
DeltaMartialArt 11 months ago
@DeltaMartialArt - Great input an real world experiences! Thanks for adding to the conversation!
cqctraining 6 months ago
@deathstick45
i agree with you
hookem6908 1 year ago
against a real wrestler this wouldnt work at all
deathstick45 1 year ago
@deathstick45 - Because wrestlers possess superhuman fighting powers? Body mechanics are body mechanics. Leverage is leverage. Any technique must be practiced in order to become truly proficient in it so if you're saying that wrestlers are "better" at taking someone down, then sure, it's going to be more challenging...but not if you train with this technique.
(BTW - this grappling move also may "not work at all" against ninjas, Bas Rutten, zombies and leprechauns.)
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Oh god where do i start? well for one a wrestler would have proper form on a double leg takedown (which i assume your 'wrestler' is trying to do), which means his elbows would be in (meaning you couldnt hook it), and a little pressure on the head would be negated by proper posture. Secondly any wrestler worth his salt would hit that double quicker than you could react. we train this for hours on end on a daily basis. Thirdly, your little 'technique' leaves the wrestler at your feet
deathstick45 1 year ago
@cqctraining
which is a terrible place for you since he can just finish you with a low single or work his way up to what ever he wants. Trust me when i say you are not getting that leg free from someone who knows what they are doing. OH YEAH! and i might add that while wrestlers might not be superhumans they tend to be in phenomenal shape. It is after all our passion to pick up dudes and throw them through the air.
deathstick45 1 year ago
@deathstick45 - Good explanation. I actually agree with you, but that's true in any street fight. The Average Joe facing ANY fighter (boxer, wrestler, etc.) who's experienced to the level you're talking about is at a serious disadvantage. That's why we train these techniques - to be skilled in self defense so vs. a wrestler (for example) we may use this grappling move (which CAN work) and have a chance, right? Skill vs. skill - be better than your attacker (wrestler or not).
Good stuff man!
cqctraining 1 year ago
@cqctraining
Im just go ahead and suggest you revise your technique and make a new video. First of all the guy taking a shot in this video is doing a lot of things wrong. i understand this is purely demonstrative but that shot was a bit insulting to wrestlers in general. In my opinion instead of emphasizing specific technique on wrestlers you should stress concepts. For example dont stand straight up, and dont tie up with your opponent.
deathstick45 1 year ago
@deathstick45 Why do you keep referring to wrestlers? It's makes no fucking sense. A normal person isn't going to be a fucking wrestler, and even if they are moderate in that sport this tech would work against them because they don't expect a nobody to use it against them. You need to stop giving the attacker too much credit. If he tried this on an MMA fight I bet you money it would work because the trained professional isn't expecting him to counter, unlike their profession.
kikook222 11 months ago
@cqctraining
theres simply to much depth in technique within wrestling for you to counter things on a technique by technique basis. And in regards to the technique itself if you want to improve it take a look at what a lot of the techniques wrestlers use. Simply sprawling on your oppenent is by far the best defense. leaving your legs exposed like that will have disastrous consequences.
deathstick45 1 year ago
@deathstick45 - In other comments I state the sprawl as a grappling move is recommended. There's no one technique that's "better" than another. Whatever grappling move you can become proficient in and use when you need it is the "best" self defense technique. I have another self defense video that even shows what to do if you're already being tackled and can't sprawl. This isn't insulting to wrestlers. It's not an "I can beat anyone up" 100% move - just another grappling move you can use.
cqctraining 1 year ago
@cqctraining Hahahaha Nice Reply.
katzmun19 1 year ago
@cqctraining epic response
othus123 6 months ago
@cqctraining I personally am a wrestler and I do MMA. I am pretty certain this would not stop my takedown as I don't shoot with my arms in airplane mode (I keep my elbows tight and in) I lower my level too far to reach under me without doing MORE than a simple bend over. A sprawl is the best solution for a double-leg.
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@deathstick45 How many hard training, and physically fit wrestlers are out mugging people on a daily basis? This is self-defense techniques, not wrestling in a ring techniques. For the average Joe versus the average attacker, this is more than sufficient.
punchdrunkatheist 7 months ago
@punchdrunkatheist Considering how many high schools and colleges in America that have had wrestling programs for decades, quite a bit. You cant assume that someone attacking you is an average joe. Prepare for the worst hope for the best. This video does not prepare for the worst. quite the opposite actually.
deathstick45 3 months ago
@deathstick45
Why would a real wrestler be lunging towards someone in a street-fight?
vincentrich 7 months ago
@cqctraining Guess what, wrestlers are training strength and cardio constantly. Use techniques that harness leverage a lot better than this video technique does. Spend hours a day hurling other full grown men through the air, and compete against tough competition very often. You present this move like its gonna stop a wrestler 100% of the time, it wont. to the people reading this comment, if you want to learn how to stop a wrestler, learn from a wrestler. They know what they are talking about.
deathstick45 3 months ago
@vincentrich the guy in the blue shirt is not a good example of how a wrestler would react. Even if you got them down on the ground with this technique a wrestler still has a very large toolbox to work with. If anything you're in more trouble. Wrestlers are used to long grueling chess matches of strength, technique, speed, and stamina, where the ultimate goal is to physically dominate. Pushing down on the neck is not enough to stop that.
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@deathstick45
I hear you, but how many seasoned wrestlers do you expect to rumble with in a bar/street fight? With a good system, you could destroy most average guys without being the biggest or strongest guy around.
vincentrich 3 months ago
why not sprawl?
zip0vid 1 year ago
@zip0vid - The sprawl is another great option as a grappling technique. The only thing I don't like about it is that it also puts you on the ground in with your attacker and I normally don't like to turn a stand up fight into a ground fighting scenario.
The sprawl DEFINITELY has a place as a grappling move in a groundfighting technique arsenal though.
cqctraining 1 year ago
I've always found kneeing them in the face works well..
ataraxic89 1 year ago
@ataraxic89 exacly
CrimsonGetsu 1 year ago
throwing a knee into his head is going to be more reliable, and fyi at the right alcohol levels a wrestler is going to much better at those takedowns
happykillmore88 1 year ago
@happykillmore88 - Definitely like the knee to face as a grappling move counterattack. I've not found the same thing though with drunk wrestlers.
When I've been in real fights with drunks, they telegraph their punch more readily and they move in slow motion. The drunker someone is, the easier they harder they are to talk down...but the easier they are to take down. ;-)
cqctraining 1 year ago
its called the cow catcher and i would not suggest using it not a reliable move at all.
teamrosalie21 1 year ago
Uhh IDK about all the rest of you, but this really wouldn't work @ full speed. If the guy is smaller than you sure, but not when he's much larger. and if he has his elbows pulled tight, then its gonna be really hard to get that hook in. Besides if you have that hook in a knee to the face is a great way to go, cause its a more natural motion than this.
TheChristianTKDGuy 1 year ago
@TheChristianTKDGuy - the move itself actually works very well. The main problem is that in a real street fight, your reaction time makes this difficult to pull off. If someone is trying a grappling move from a bit of a distance in a fight, it's easier, but it still takes time.
In a close quarters combat fight though, it's a tough technique to catch mid-move and use against the attacker.
I've used this one time but the guy was drunk and he was moving in slow motion ;-) - But it does work.
cqctraining 1 year ago
@cqctraining Gotcha, the concept is good. using each side of the body to turn him and redirect. Just not applicable for very fast people or close quarters.
TheChristianTKDGuy 1 year ago
@TheChristianTKDGuy - I would definitely agree with that TheChristianTKDGuy. Speed is of the essence and there is a "oops - too late!" point in your opponent's tackle. You definitely need lots of self defense tools in your belt.
I have another video on my channel for the "too late" factor that works as well. It's called "Close Combat Ground Fighting - Defeating A Takedown"
Feel free to leave any professional comments on that video as well.
Thanks brother!
~ Jeff
cqctraining 1 year ago
what if the person mush bigger then you and using all his body weight
chess9920012002 2 years ago
what is this grab called?
lyconthrop 2 years ago
ok ok but i dont think the drunk guy going to be moveing in slowmo let us see u do that to a 280 lb guy when hes runing at you at full seed
a1b26442 2 years ago
@a1b26442 - Size isn't the issue. The self defense technique itself doesn't require strength or size. In actual fights, a 280 lb guy isn't likely to go at you this way. They're instinct is to punch, not pull a grappling move. They're typically strikers because they know they can throw a punch like a freight train so that's what they go for.
And yes...drunk guys actually do move slower and I've used this self defense technique against one person and he was drunk (made it easier).
cqctraining 1 year ago