My opinion is this. Marriage is between a male/female(i say that because I even think polygamy is normal(it's been praticed for a LONG time) having said tha I think the state should get completuly out of marriage..that way gays can get "married" but people wouldn't legally be forced to recoginze it. That is my issue..i don't want gov forcing me to recoginze gay marriage
Hey, message to all religious people who believe being gay is a sin. Why don't you just go kill them all? It won't matter. Everyone knows you want to. The only reason is because murder is a 'sin' . Stop getting seduced into religion, get some air, and stop wasting your time.
religion in this situation is hurting more then it is helping.
lesbians and gay's already have children but those poor kids will loose a mother or father forever if they split like heterosexual's or worst one parent dies. the other parent wont be able to keep the child!! Plus Prop 8 was creating a stigma that children pick up and take to school where they inflict pain on other children who go to commit suicide! no on H8 will protect children more then Yes.
In Primary school (from age 4-11) I was MADE to pray in school in the morning with the class. It's not like the school was a religious school, just a regular school. Now, we were TOLD that God existed as a fact by the teachers (the ones who were religious). I'm sorry, but if that's allowed in a public, non-religious school, then same sex relationships should NOT be hidden from the children. Actually, teaching about it at a younger age would eliminate MUCH of the hate and discrimination! Good vid
Bob + Jim = No children to pay taxes and pay SSI checks.
Bob + Sally = New tax payer to support paying SSI checks
Get everybody married to each of the same sex. You get a country that will fall when there is not enough of replacement people to pay taxes. If your on SSI you better get the gay fellowers to not marry and not have enough replacement people to pay taxes.
You say the institution of marriage is ruined by two people loving each other. You do realize, however, that your being straight or gay is an accident. If you gain a sense of pride in the institution of marriage being straight, you are gaining pride from an accident. You can only be proud of that which you earn through virtuous action, not accidental compatibility.
your right but i was just commenting on the actual kid part.
Marriage i feel shouldt be allowed because it was a religious founded ceremony and they deserve to keep the ceremony the way they want. Marriage is open to everyone
if you do it for what it was meant for; the union between a man and women.
big difference between same-sex marriage and murder. i believe in laws that protect others but SSM does NOT effect ANYBODY but the people getting married.
you're young so ill let it slide...but why don't you try researching the history of marriage instead of just what your religion brainwashed you into believing
btw check your definition of pagan. pagan refers to polytheistic faiths (multiple gods) so this would exclude monotheistic religions...like christianity.
i didn't mean religion would change their view and that's not what marriage equality wants either. but you will see a major change in the states and even federal laws.
and i never said you were wrong. i said marriage is not exclusive to religion.
i doubt it, because i personally think it is unconstitutional of what the gays are doing along with the majority of the country, so if that happened people wouldnt give up.
No but it is exclusive to a man and a women because thats the whole point of it.
@ourhero100: Want to talk about the Constitution? First, there is nothing in the Constitution that says marriage is only between a man and a woman. So gays aren't doing anything unconstitutional. However, you should study the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution. It says that everyone should be equally protected under the law. By denying gays the same rights, you ARE going AGAINST the Constitution. You're saying, gays don't deserve the same rights as you.
There is nothing in the constitution that says anything about marriage so therefore gays cant say its unconstitutional not to allow them to be married in their own special way.
Gays have the exact same rights as everyone else, anyone is allowed to marry ANYONE OF THE OPPOSITE GENDER. No one, not even our president is allowed to marry anything other. Gays arent being denied their just not willing to be married by the way provided.
@ourhero100: Look, I realize you're young and experienced, so I'll try to explain again. The Equal Protection Clause means that everyone must be treated equally under the law. As you surely know, gays aren't attracted to the opposite sex, either sexually or romantically. Therefore, the fact that they can marry someone of the opposite sex is meaningless-- and you KNOW that. Because of the Equal Protection Clause, we deserve to be treated equally & have our love recognized too. Capisce?
How is it marriages fault that people who are gay are attracted to someone outside of what marriage is? Is it discrimination that i cant park in handicap parking because im in good physical condition? Is it discrimination that i cant use the womens restroom because im a man? No, same with marriage, although with marriage everyone has the right to marry granted they marry what marriage is and what its meant for.
And marriage's purpose has nothing to do with love and thats where a lot of peope go wrong, its called classical conditioning. Love is often a catalist of love but not the purpose. Now if people remember that this topic wont even be an issue.
@ourhero100: This comment makes not sense, and neither does the previous one. The comparisions are ridiculous. Here's the deal: marriage started out as a way to control property between tribes and families. It's NOW about celebrating love & committment... and not having kids as people like you claim. Gay people's love is just as valid. Calling it civil unions isn't good enough, because it separates gays from heteros, and that's discrimination. Don't be a discriminator.
@ourhero100: Best of all, you are going to lose in the end. The nation is slowing changing their minds and realizing that gay marriage doesn't hurt anyone. Already in CA, it's 50% for gay marriage and 44% against. When Prop 8 happened it was too close to call. Gay marriage is going to be a reality, whether you want to discriminate or not.
Well gay marriage has a big effect on everyone so i dont see where you are getting that. And what marriage is has never changed, and i never said it had anything to do with kids. And so if we allow gay marriage we must allow beasiality and incest as well because their love is just as valid.
And its interesting how you can find those numbers when there has been no other voting process since prop 8.
@ourhero100: Sorry kid, but you're wrong again. Beastiality & incest are illegal (NOT valid NOR love), but being gay IS LEGAL. So that argument doesn't work!
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The numbers are from a recent poll by the Public Policy Institute of CA.
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You need to study more. Marriage has changed a LOT, in many ways. Google "8 marriage types in Bible" and you'll see. Many conservatives claim that it's just for creating a family (raising kids) but that's not true. Marriage also used to require a dowry.
So your saying gay marriage is love but beastiality and icest arent? It appears to me that you are doing the same thing to them as you say i am doing to you. And you forget gay marriage is also illegal in most states.
I was never asked.
Religion isn't what makes a person believe for or against gay marriage all of the time, just throwing that out there. Okay so if you want those privs get them like everyone else.
@ourhero100: Can't you figure this out yourself? Think about it. Are there two loving human adults with beastiality? No. Incest? No, since it's usually a child who's a victim. But even adult incest is illegal because of inbreeding problems.
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Gay marriage may be illegal, but the salient point is, being GAY is NOT illegal. But incest and beastiality still are. That's why your "if we have gay marriage we must also allow beastiality and incest marriage" argument doesn't work.
So why does there have to be two loving adults in a relationship? Gays have already made it so it two loving people in a relationship rather then two loving males and females. And incest is often between brothers and sisters and they are two people. And gays cant have children or breed either so whats your point?
@ourhero100: it has to be two adults because only adults can enter into a legal agreement like marriage.
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Incest is actually NOT usually between brother and sister, it's usually between a father and daughter. But please pay attention, because I have already told you why incest is illegal between adults... because of inbreeding (look it up if you don't know what it means).
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Gays CAN have kids. A couple, friends of mine, just had a girl with a surrogate mother. Other gay couples adopt.
@ourhero100: Oh yes, we are fighting to get those privileges. But the thing is, we need all kinds of people to realize that supporting gay marriage is the right thing to do! It has been shown that marriage is a huge benefit, in many ways, not only to the individuals involved but also the general community. Churches will still be able to decide who they want to marry because religious marriage & civil marriage will remain separate. Gay marriage helps EVERYONE and is a benefit to society!.
Also loving an animal or your sister isnt illegal either, its taking action that is. And like i said earlier if it werent relavent it wouldnt have been used in the major court battle.
I voted Yes on prop 8 because the sanctity of marriage is being violated. To most people, some things are still sacred. SACRED: Things you don't degrade or spit at. We indeed respect the sanctity of marriage, YES ON 8
I voted Yes on prop 8. It is not about rights, equality or acceptance. It is about the very definition of marriage, it is more than just 2 entities loving each other.
What if a man in a gay relationship wakes up one day as a female? Would you suddenly consider him/her "qualified" to be a parent because he/she now has boobs and a vagina?
you're quite right not to want to lower kids chances. In fact you are probably right about kids chances being better. I think I was more concerned about your use of the word "imperative" - it simply isn't the case. However, child-rearing is not necessarily relevant to the debate on gay marriage. There is no stipulation as far as I remember that marriage necessary leads to procreation.
It's an intelligent man who realizes that he will give a better presentation with organized notes, as SanieClaws has done. It's a stupid man (or a conservative nut-case) who doesn't realize this.
Christians have been sued over their religious beliefs in states where gay marriage is legal and even in CA itself.
So here's the thing. If you want gay marriage so bad, AT LEAST be clear and definitive. Give religious organizations a sweeping bill of rights giving us the right the disagree on this issue without being labeled bigots and having our careers threatend. THANK YOU.
That's without mentioning that children should have a mom and a dad, but whatever.
And you're saying that its either their marriage, or our freedom of religion (which is a first amendment right). Sorry. Gotta side with myself on that one. Myself and all other Christians, not to mention Muslims, Hindus, and Jews.
And another thing. I'm sure you wouldn't object soooo much if we decided to "discriminate" (or believe against. that's really all it is.) marrying fathers and daughters.
@whatevalife6: Christians haven't been sued over their religious beliefs, that's a blatant lie. They have been sued for discrimination when appropriate.
whatevalife6...you just shouldn't talk about this subject anymore because im pretty sure that after reading this, even yes on prop 8 people would start saying no on 8 just because of how stupid you just made them all look.
you make me sick!im jenjen (my nickname) from england, im homo, i don't have a partner and i have dislike of the church of england because they discriminate against people who aren't with them. ITS THE FUCKING KKK AL OVER AGAIN YOU BLOODY PREACHING DUMBASS!!!!!
Do you know that the UN wants to force parenting laws to govern over our children...giving them power to control religion in our country. Would you give up your sovereighty?? Would you sell your desire to be gay for sovereighty...to dominate over Christians?
Dude chill with the fox news crap, I saw that report and it is horribly bieased and taken out of context. Having said that lets say hypothetically it does get signed, and it means what fox says it means. IT WILL NEVER BE ENFORCED. Fox, CNN, and MSNBC all preach hate and fear so anything you hear from any of those stations is going to be horribly biased. You seriously have no idea what your talking about or what the
So if you've seen the legislation and actually know how to read you would know it's not taking any rights away from parents. The government wont control your kids religion, or spanking, or any other idea you wish to teach them.
It's easy to pick and choose morality and to tell God that what we want is more important then his laws. I'm thankful the churches supported 8. You are right that money would be better spent on the hungry and on education; however, a judge decided to take the laws into his own hands instead of listening to the majority of people in California.
There actually is MORE violence in the gay community. I don't mind that you have your legal ways to unite. However, I DO NOT want your indoctrination in MY childs classroom!
NO I am talking about real world studies, not theory. If you're talking about domestic violence or psychological abuse show how this occurs MORE in homosexual relationships than heterosexual relationships, especially since homosexual relationships in this country are but a fraction compared to heterosexual ones.
Interesting that you need to look and dig for facts on something that should seem so overwhelmingly obvious seeing as people have already voted in the negative. It's like "go ahead and vote no on it now and we will try to find detrimental data and facts on it later". You can blatantly say things like "There is MORE violence in homosexual societies" but when asked to back that up all you get is "well I will have to get back to you on that".
I believe that the indoctrination of heterosexual relationships (being the only form of love) in the classroom results in the disproportionate amount of gay people who suffer from depression (particularly during adolescence when they usually realise their sexuality). You have no idea what it's like having to "realise" that you're gay. It's not being gay that's bad, it's thinking that you're the only one in the whole world because it's been hidden from you since you were a child.
... Where did you get that from? You seriously don't believe that environmental factors contribute to mental health? What about when a loved one dies? are you going to tell the grieving family to "take personal responsibility" for the way they feel, or are they allowed to say that the death of their loved one is causing them to feel bad? I agree that you have to work things through yourself to move on but you can absolutely attribute depression to certain factors. Any psychologist can tell you.
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Well, you want to "change" the world that you blame homosexual depression on. The world is wrong to you that believes homosexuality is a sin. You want to brain-wash the next generation of youth so homosexuals aren't depressed? You want ethics and morals out of schools, because "they" contribute to homosexuals being depressed? Tell me, if there were a pill that would cure homosexuality, if it is not a choice, but a medical condition like you claim, would you take it?
I want purely irrational Christian (and other religious) morals to be kept away from children until they are old enough to make up their own minds. I'm not calling for homosexuality 101 to be taught to kindergarten students. I simply think that it's hypocritical for people like you to condemn the children's exposure to homosexuality when they are clearly bombarded with images of conservative relationships from day one. It's double standards at it's worst.
Good point I agree, no one gets mad when kids see heterosexuality everyday, and who seriously thinks that homosexuality is something kids can learn and become by being exposed to it lol That's not how sexuality works or how kids develop.
I never claimed that homosexuality was a medical condition, you're confused. However, i would absolutely not take a magic pill that changed my sexuality from gay to straight. I am in a relationship with somebody i love and value more than i value the way conservative, irrational members of society choose to see me.
Do you believe that exposing kids to different groups in society is "brain washing"?
I'm saying that hiding them away from life is going to hurt many of them later on.
How bout the 11 year old boy who 12 days ago hung himself because his football team was making fun of him because he was flamboyant? That was not his fault at all, kids of his age are struggling to deal with the emotional rollercoaster their body is going through. Take all of that then throw in the fact that he is being made fun of for being gay?
The weak have always been teased. It is human nature. Gays do have a higher rate of depression. Boys on football teams, tease the weak, as it weeds out weakness. I don't condone that...that is the way it is. If you have an injury on the a football team, do you know what happens if you are taped up? The opposing side hits the injury. You cannot change the world to suit you. You have to chose happiness.
Isn't god just another choice? Your absolutly right about the morals though, which can be taught without god. I'm always shocked how people assume these go together, like all atheists are racists or something. If the bullies (based on statistical data most of which are from religious families) were actually taught morals like love thy neighbor, and hate the sin not the sinner, then yea maybe he wouldn't have killed himself.
I have been the object of teasing growing up...and it was no fun. Suicide is something else. Depression is a symtom of being gay. Allowing an 11 year old to think that he was gay is a sin.
Dude seriously get off the religious high. Speeding is a sin, lying is a sin, masturbation is a sin, covetry, gossip, contempt, malice, greed, sloth, gluttony, yet no one cares about those. How bout this, of all religious groups (atheists included) Evangelicals and baptists have the highest divorce rates (a sin) and remarriage is adultry (7th commandment). Most of the "sins" I listed you've probably commited. Matthew 5:21-28 says all sins are equal, and isn't it only god who can judge?
Depression is not a symptom of being gay since gay is not an infectious disease. Allowing an 11 year old to KNOW he's gay is not a sin. If god really made us in his own image, he's gotta be at least bicurious. Seriously dude I'm not religious so saying it's a sin does nothing but irritate me. Please come up with a valid point other than "the bible said so", otherwise this conversation is over. Take a break from your teaching and read Matthew 7, particularly verse 5.
Gays have higher rates of depression..because it is wrong. I'm not going to sell you the brainwashed BS the gay community is pushing. An 11 year old needs direction....it's called parenting.
His wisdom if faulted. Homosexuality doesn't cause depression, the feeling of insecurity due to not being able to tell your friends your true feelings without a dire consequence does. You can disagree with homosexuality all you want, but you definetly need to teach children to not make fun of them... it's called parenting. You don't have to like them, you don't have to approve of them, but don't teach that it's ok to hate them when you are just as guilty as they are.
There are studies and statitstics that would disagree with your position with rates of depression among homoesexuals. I am not aware of any parents teaching children to tease...not now..and not when I was growing up. However, teaching children that being gay is wrong...is our right to religious freedom. I actually am for tolerance..but honestly, I can't see that is is recipricated in the gay community.
That arguement could be made in both cases since what you see on TV will always be the extremists. You want to see fanatic christians watch a you tube clip called "jesus camp". I understand that alot of christians are tolerant, just as alot of gays are religious. My problem comes when religious people condemn gays for "their sins" without failing to realize that the act of condemning someone is a sin. The holier than thou attitude is a real turn off.
No..I'm not talking about TV .... if you dig..it is online in scientific studies. Right to free speech to condemn a sin is a right to free speech and a right to freedom of religion....so before you throw out our freedoms for your "feelings," I suggest you consider the precedednt you would set.
The whole depression thing makes sense if you think about it. Homosexuals (male and female) have a different sized hypothalamus and amygdala, both play a strong role in emotions, that doesn't mean that their gayness causes their depression (doesn't mean it doesn't either). As far as the rest of your comment went it doesn't make the slightest bit of sense so I'm not even going to try to answer whatever it is you are trying to say.
1. Duuude. NOT a bigot. haha i'm a dyke. I was joking, clearly.
2. The bible contains many wonderful stories, and can help people live better lives. When people use anything to start snipping away at the rights of others, though, then it becomes tainted.
It's like saying, I was born to do drugs. We can control our behavior. We can control our thoughts. There are lots of men that could have been gay, but chose otherwise. How can you be so sure you aren't conditioned by popular thinking? Some men are molested as boys, some boys have over- controlling mothers and neglectful fathers, some may have had a genetic issue, but with all the things to help in that area, why not please God and be straight.
not everyone is christian. and not everyone believes what you believe. you cannot just make your beliefs the law, like this proposition is suggesting. it's been scientifically proven that men and women are born homosexual. although christianity has the ability to defy science and fact, it really shouldn't be the law..
What about the relationships of the children of the future. If you normalize a relationship, you are asking them to question themselves. If you have a boy from an over-bearing mother and an absent father, you will have someone that will question himself and be seeking male attention. This combination of questioning and seeking male attention could lead to a man chosing to be gay. We shouldn't question ourselves, but be praying for God's guidance and reading the Bible to know Him.
I understand your thinking, but that's not how it works. You don't choose to be gay. It's illogical. Why would anybody choose to be part of a minority that is so persecuted? People want and try as hard as they possibly can to be straight, but if that just is not possible because that's not the way God made you, then you admit that you're gay so that you can find a loving partner. It's a last resort because it's a MUCH harder life to face such oppression.
You tolerate a barking dog. You tolerate a leaky faucet. Gays don't need tolerance. They need to maintain their basic, fundamental civil rights that were stripped away from them.
Religious freedom? Passing prop 8 took away religious freedom! It imposed the religious beliefs of some on people who do not share those beliefs.
It's not uncommon for women to pray for a future daughter-in-law, that hasn't met her son and pray for the grandchildren that haven't been a glimmer in the eye. God says the people are saved have their names written in The Book of Life. Time is irrelevent to God. I want my children's children blessed. I'll pray for them before I know who they are. Without God's blessings, we are all lost.
..great video...how ironic that the mormon church whose very founders joseph smoth and brigham young distorted old testament narrative to justify immorality (polygamy) and racism against blacks should sit in judgment on ANYONE...
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
If you don't believe in gay marriage then don't marry someone of the same gender as you. If you don't believe in incest, then don't marry your sister, simple as that. Let others live there lives how they want to.
So by that rational you would allow someone to marry a child (tribal law) or 50 year old Polygamists to marry seven x 16 year old girls (16 is the age of consent).
Yes, thankfully those of us who represent equality, reason, and respect for human dignity aren't responsible for Prop 8.
Marriage isn't necessarily a religious ceremony, I can go to city hall and get a marriage certificate. You and your churches need to BUTT OUT of other peoples' private lives.
And if by "unnatural" you mean "not occurring in nature", then you're wrong. 10% of any given population is homosexual, including animals, so your argument holds no water.
You seem to be missing my point. You asserted that homosexuality is "unnatural". I have shown you that it is, in fact, natural in that roughly 10% of any given population on earth is oriented that way. That's a fact you can ignore if you choose, but it is still a fact.
And even if it was "unnatural", how is that morally wring? Flying in a plane is "unnatural", breast implants are "unnatural", dying your hair is "unnatural". Are those immoral as well?
Humans do rape & kill, but it is Immoral, even though it takes place in nature.
Homosexual % is more like 1-3%
Flying - Not immoral, Breast implants - border line, dying hair - No.
I wish Gays all the happiness in the world, but the fact remains that I will always be opposed to Gay 'Marriage'. Live together the rest of your lives if you must, write a will, but marriage is off limits.
Society has reached a consensus that raping and killing is generally wrong, because these activities are done without the consent of the other party. Homosexuality is not an ativity, it is an orientation. And the relationships it entails are consensual.
Homosexuality is more like 12% - 13%, but it depends on how you define "homosexuality".
Homosexuality is not a pathology, nor is it unnatural.
I do Understand Lust, and sexual immorality. Before I became a Christian I was known as the Sick man of Asia, because of my insatiable sexual appetite.
I owned brothels and was a drug dealer, stand over man and debt collector. I also worked in the Gay clubs(security & drug dealing). I admit that I was sexually immoral, but I was able to draw the line when it came to the same sex.
Are gay people unable to fight off the sexual urges that they feel towards other people of the same sex?
Yes, I guess gays are sometimes unable to "fight off" the sexual urges they feel toward certain individuals they are attracted to, who happen to be members of the same sex, in the same way that you are unable to "fight off" sexual urges you feel toward certain members of the opposite sex. So what? They like men, you like women. Big deal. Who cares.
PS - Congrats on leaving your life of partying hard behind, but I suspect you were able to "draw the line" at men because you are heterosexual.
This young guy has THOUGHT THIS OUT. Congratulations! He is correct, if you let gays marry you MUST let anyone or any group of people to marry each other, couples can marry, a man can marry as many women as he wants to. You also must let 6 women all marry each other, cousins can marry cousins, brothers marry sisters, people marry their pets if they want to. Even MORE stupid is the crying idiots (Keith Olbermann) equating homo marriage with interracial marriage = dumb.
This is a typical slippery-slope fallacy. "Oh if we allow gay marriage, then people will want to marry their pets!". Give me a break. Marriage should be between two consenting adults, simple as that.
I'd rather ban divorce...since apparently we're trying to marry the Constitution to the Bible now. Let's also stone children who do not honor their parents and abide by the biblical passages on slavery. But divorce is the crucial one. Let's stop that abomination right now, before it gets taught in schools and children start wanting to grow up and be divorcees!!!
Oh, absolutely! It is HIGH time we went after those damned single parents too: let's introduce some legislation to make absolute sure that kids are taken away from single moms and single dads and given to normal families. Trouble with that, tysonschwab, is that the definition of "normal" families has already changed so much, that the traditional variety is now a minority. Divorce, spousal abuse, child abuse, neglect. Your system is already screwed. Don't count gays out. We make great parents.
Just like when YOU said every child deserves a mom and dad, Tysonschwab had this same argument a week ago. What it has to do with prop 8 is this: religious zealots are not going after single parents (yet). They're so concerned "about the kids" (which is the issue that has NOTHING to do with prop 8)...but apparently SOME families not having both sexes serve as parents are okay while others are not. I am illustrating - quite clearly - that there is an obvious bias in the argument.
Gay marriage does not naturally produce children. Gay couples can adopt regardless of whether they are married. So gay marriage has nothing to do with children having a mom and a dad. Prop 8 is pure discrimination. There's no getting around that.
Hm, now that they've retroactivaly FORBIDDEN gay marriage (which was previously allowed), aren't we on a "slippery slope" that will end up banning interracial marriage and other unions that are currently legal?
Yes you are right that a gay marriage means nothing to me and my own marriage, I could frankly care less. But the question of polygamy is a valid one. Even the Bibles biggest names had multiple wives, why should we NOT allow polygamy? Is a loving relationship is all that is required because it is possible to love more than one person. If we tear down a definition, then it becomes a precedent for every groups position, Vote NO on prop 8, make sure you're consistent thought, support polygamy too.
To the supporters of prop 8 that do not think they are discriminating.
I live in Virginia, and in my state it was illegal for me a black man to marry a white woman until the mid 1970s. when the law was overturned still more than 50% of the population opposed it, but the courts recognized the injustice the law was doing, the point of democracy is majority rule with minority rights, and prop 9 takes away the rights of the LGBTQ community. Do what's right california, stop prop 8
My opinion is this. Marriage is between a male/female(i say that because I even think polygamy is normal(it's been praticed for a LONG time) having said tha I think the state should get completuly out of marriage..that way gays can get "married" but people wouldn't legally be forced to recoginze it. That is my issue..i don't want gov forcing me to recoginze gay marriage
ubermisogynist 2 weeks ago
You know, I think the world would be MUCH BETTER if everyone is bisexual :)
BROADCASTRECAPTV 9 months ago
@BROADCASTRECAPTV or we could say world would be a better place if gays didn't exist.
ubermisogynist 2 weeks ago
Hey, message to all religious people who believe being gay is a sin. Why don't you just go kill them all? It won't matter. Everyone knows you want to. The only reason is because murder is a 'sin' . Stop getting seduced into religion, get some air, and stop wasting your time.
metallicaownsme 11 months ago
i love you! you make so much sense.
IwantYourEverything 1 year ago
religion in this situation is hurting more then it is helping.
lesbians and gay's already have children but those poor kids will loose a mother or father forever if they split like heterosexual's or worst one parent dies. the other parent wont be able to keep the child!! Plus Prop 8 was creating a stigma that children pick up and take to school where they inflict pain on other children who go to commit suicide! no on H8 will protect children more then Yes.
wetdream09 1 year ago
In Primary school (from age 4-11) I was MADE to pray in school in the morning with the class. It's not like the school was a religious school, just a regular school. Now, we were TOLD that God existed as a fact by the teachers (the ones who were religious). I'm sorry, but if that's allowed in a public, non-religious school, then same sex relationships should NOT be hidden from the children. Actually, teaching about it at a younger age would eliminate MUCH of the hate and discrimination! Good vid
rossgardiner 1 year ago
Bob + Jim = No children to pay taxes and pay SSI checks.
Bob + Sally = New tax payer to support paying SSI checks
Get everybody married to each of the same sex. You get a country that will fall when there is not enough of replacement people to pay taxes. If your on SSI you better get the gay fellowers to not marry and not have enough replacement people to pay taxes.
turtle4aire 1 year ago
@turtle4aire you forgot atleast one Bob + Sally + deciding not to have a child = no children to pay taxes and pay SSI checks.
idaman12345 1 year ago
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are you reading off cue cards or something?
"Name one thing thats been ruined by two people loving each other.....when same sex marriage was made legal.."
The institution of marriage thats what.
4everCTR 1 year ago
@4everCTR
Yes, I'm reading prepared words.
You say the institution of marriage is ruined by two people loving each other. You do realize, however, that your being straight or gay is an accident. If you gain a sense of pride in the institution of marriage being straight, you are gaining pride from an accident. You can only be proud of that which you earn through virtuous action, not accidental compatibility.
SanieClaws 1 year ago 6
@4everCTR - Oh well, get over it, Prop 8 was overturned today!
LibertyObserver 1 year ago
@4everCTR There's no such thing as an "Institution of marriage" other than in Bible thumpers rhetoric.
Marriage is a Pagan ceremony, pre-dating the Bible, just as Christmas, Easter and Crucifiction, are also Pagan, adopted by Christianity.
osummuso 1 year ago
dont waste your time on these pro gay nuts, we just got to keep fighting the fight and stay positive :)
kellyannabama 11 months ago
It's not PREPOSITION 8.
Idiot.
DizzyDerwish 1 year ago
LMAO...I had to comment on the title of this vid. "Where do we draw the line"...you can't draw a line in a free society.
gskrptr 2 years ago
@ gskrptr...
Your right so lets make murder legal as well.
@ jhvscs...
your right but i was just commenting on the actual kid part.
Marriage i feel shouldt be allowed because it was a religious founded ceremony and they deserve to keep the ceremony the way they want. Marriage is open to everyone
if you do it for what it was meant for; the union between a man and women.
ourhero100 2 years ago
@ ourhero100...
big difference between same-sex marriage and murder. i believe in laws that protect others but SSM does NOT effect ANYBODY but the people getting married.
gskrptr 2 years ago
@ jhvscs...
the history of marriage has not been exclusive to religion.
in addition a wedding is strictly ceremony...just symbolic...its not legal without a marriage license from the state
so everyone who is religious can have your ceremony but let everyone else regardless of gender or sexual preference get a marriage license.
gskrptr 2 years ago
but what marriage is is a union between a man and a women. IF there are two people of the same gender trying to marry its just not marriage.
Remember if you want to play tag you got to play by the rules =)
ourhero100 2 years ago
you're young so ill let it slide...but why don't you try researching the history of marriage instead of just what your religion brainwashed you into believing
gskrptr 2 years ago
marriage was founded by pagans. The definition of pagans being every religion other then muslim.
ourhero100 2 years ago
so then how come non-religious people can marry. why don't you ban them too?
gskrptr 2 years ago
because like i said marriage is open to everyone, religious or not. If you follow what marriage is you can be married.
ourhero100 2 years ago
well its about to change...sorry
btw check your definition of pagan. pagan refers to polytheistic faiths (multiple gods) so this would exclude monotheistic religions...like christianity.
gskrptr 2 years ago
um its not about to change.
There are millions of definitions of pagans, so its hard to say. And even if polytheistic faiths is still religon.
ourhero100 2 years ago
i predict in the few years you will see a drastic change.
and the earliest recording of marriage was in hammurabi's code and yes he was a pagan (polytheistic)
gskrptr 2 years ago
Why, religion will never change their views on it, and there are plenty of athiests out there as well who dont agree in gay marriage.
Hammurabis code was one of the oldest recordings yes, proving my point. Religion.
ourhero100 2 years ago
i didn't mean religion would change their view and that's not what marriage equality wants either. but you will see a major change in the states and even federal laws.
and i never said you were wrong. i said marriage is not exclusive to religion.
gskrptr 2 years ago
i doubt it, because i personally think it is unconstitutional of what the gays are doing along with the majority of the country, so if that happened people wouldnt give up.
No but it is exclusive to a man and a women because thats the whole point of it.
ourhero100 2 years ago
@ourhero100: Want to talk about the Constitution? First, there is nothing in the Constitution that says marriage is only between a man and a woman. So gays aren't doing anything unconstitutional. However, you should study the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution. It says that everyone should be equally protected under the law. By denying gays the same rights, you ARE going AGAINST the Constitution. You're saying, gays don't deserve the same rights as you.
Kaileo1 1 year ago
@Kaileo1
There is nothing in the constitution that says anything about marriage so therefore gays cant say its unconstitutional not to allow them to be married in their own special way.
Gays have the exact same rights as everyone else, anyone is allowed to marry ANYONE OF THE OPPOSITE GENDER. No one, not even our president is allowed to marry anything other. Gays arent being denied their just not willing to be married by the way provided.
ourhero100 1 year ago
@ourhero100: Look, I realize you're young and experienced, so I'll try to explain again. The Equal Protection Clause means that everyone must be treated equally under the law. As you surely know, gays aren't attracted to the opposite sex, either sexually or romantically. Therefore, the fact that they can marry someone of the opposite sex is meaningless-- and you KNOW that. Because of the Equal Protection Clause, we deserve to be treated equally & have our love recognized too. Capisce?
Kaileo1 1 year ago
@Kaileo1
How is it marriages fault that people who are gay are attracted to someone outside of what marriage is? Is it discrimination that i cant park in handicap parking because im in good physical condition? Is it discrimination that i cant use the womens restroom because im a man? No, same with marriage, although with marriage everyone has the right to marry granted they marry what marriage is and what its meant for.
ourhero100 1 year ago
And marriage's purpose has nothing to do with love and thats where a lot of peope go wrong, its called classical conditioning. Love is often a catalist of love but not the purpose. Now if people remember that this topic wont even be an issue.
ourhero100 1 year ago
@ourhero100: This comment makes not sense, and neither does the previous one. The comparisions are ridiculous. Here's the deal: marriage started out as a way to control property between tribes and families. It's NOW about celebrating love & committment... and not having kids as people like you claim. Gay people's love is just as valid. Calling it civil unions isn't good enough, because it separates gays from heteros, and that's discrimination. Don't be a discriminator.
Kaileo1 1 year ago
@ourhero100: Best of all, you are going to lose in the end. The nation is slowing changing their minds and realizing that gay marriage doesn't hurt anyone. Already in CA, it's 50% for gay marriage and 44% against. When Prop 8 happened it was too close to call. Gay marriage is going to be a reality, whether you want to discriminate or not.
Kaileo1 1 year ago
@Kaileo1
Well gay marriage has a big effect on everyone so i dont see where you are getting that. And what marriage is has never changed, and i never said it had anything to do with kids. And so if we allow gay marriage we must allow beasiality and incest as well because their love is just as valid.
And its interesting how you can find those numbers when there has been no other voting process since prop 8.
ourhero100 1 year ago
@ourhero100: Sorry kid, but you're wrong again. Beastiality & incest are illegal (NOT valid NOR love), but being gay IS LEGAL. So that argument doesn't work!
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The numbers are from a recent poll by the Public Policy Institute of CA.
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You need to study more. Marriage has changed a LOT, in many ways. Google "8 marriage types in Bible" and you'll see. Many conservatives claim that it's just for creating a family (raising kids) but that's not true. Marriage also used to require a dowry.
Kaileo1 1 year ago
@Kaileo1
So your saying gay marriage is love but beastiality and icest arent? It appears to me that you are doing the same thing to them as you say i am doing to you. And you forget gay marriage is also illegal in most states.
I was never asked.
Religion isn't what makes a person believe for or against gay marriage all of the time, just throwing that out there. Okay so if you want those privs get them like everyone else.
ourhero100 1 year ago
@ourhero100: Can't you figure this out yourself? Think about it. Are there two loving human adults with beastiality? No. Incest? No, since it's usually a child who's a victim. But even adult incest is illegal because of inbreeding problems.
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Gay marriage may be illegal, but the salient point is, being GAY is NOT illegal. But incest and beastiality still are. That's why your "if we have gay marriage we must also allow beastiality and incest marriage" argument doesn't work.
Kaileo1 1 year ago
@Kaileo1
So why does there have to be two loving adults in a relationship? Gays have already made it so it two loving people in a relationship rather then two loving males and females. And incest is often between brothers and sisters and they are two people. And gays cant have children or breed either so whats your point?
ourhero100 1 year ago
@ourhero100: it has to be two adults because only adults can enter into a legal agreement like marriage.
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Incest is actually NOT usually between brother and sister, it's usually between a father and daughter. But please pay attention, because I have already told you why incest is illegal between adults... because of inbreeding (look it up if you don't know what it means).
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Gays CAN have kids. A couple, friends of mine, just had a girl with a surrogate mother. Other gay couples adopt.
Kaileo1 1 year ago
@ourhero100: Oh yes, we are fighting to get those privileges. But the thing is, we need all kinds of people to realize that supporting gay marriage is the right thing to do! It has been shown that marriage is a huge benefit, in many ways, not only to the individuals involved but also the general community. Churches will still be able to decide who they want to marry because religious marriage & civil marriage will remain separate. Gay marriage helps EVERYONE and is a benefit to society!.
Kaileo1 1 year ago
@Kaileo1
Also loving an animal or your sister isnt illegal either, its taking action that is. And like i said earlier if it werent relavent it wouldnt have been used in the major court battle.
ourhero100 1 year ago
@ourhero100: What major court battle?
Kaileo1 1 year ago
I voted Yes on prop 8 because the sanctity of marriage is being violated. To most people, some things are still sacred. SACRED: Things you don't degrade or spit at. We indeed respect the sanctity of marriage, YES ON 8
richyncali 2 years ago
I voted Yes on prop 8. It is not about rights, equality or acceptance. It is about the very definition of marriage, it is more than just 2 entities loving each other.
simplelifedream 2 years ago
i voted yes on prop 8 as well. When i child is growing up in a family it is imperative that they have both a father and mother.
ourhero100 2 years ago
What if a man in a gay relationship wakes up one day as a female? Would you suddenly consider him/her "qualified" to be a parent because he/she now has boobs and a vagina?
MikuruBeamu 2 years ago
how dare you say something like that. Many fine people have been raised in single parent families. It is not imperative
jhvscs 2 years ago
but the percentage of success goes up 10 fold when there is both a mother and father in a relationship.
ourhero100 2 years ago
that does not make it imperative
jhvscs 2 years ago
but why would you want to lower kids chances?
ourhero100 2 years ago
you're quite right not to want to lower kids chances. In fact you are probably right about kids chances being better. I think I was more concerned about your use of the word "imperative" - it simply isn't the case. However, child-rearing is not necessarily relevant to the debate on gay marriage. There is no stipulation as far as I remember that marriage necessary leads to procreation.
jhvscs 2 years ago
i totally agree simplelifedream...
ourhero100 2 years ago
Wow, you try to sound smart, so I guess everything you've said must be true.
richyncali 2 years ago
Correct.
MikuruBeamu 2 years ago
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richyncali 2 years ago
haha, what a self-indulged yuppie. He is reading a script, he couldn't even speak freely. A classic liberal "rebuttal"
Chessjock 2 years ago
It's an intelligent man who realizes that he will give a better presentation with organized notes, as SanieClaws has done. It's a stupid man (or a conservative nut-case) who doesn't realize this.
Kaileo1 2 years ago 3
This is directed at you, Chessjock.
Kaileo1 2 years ago
its so easy to say when you're getting boned in the ass.......
rudyinthe505 2 years ago
Christians have been sued over their religious beliefs in states where gay marriage is legal and even in CA itself.
So here's the thing. If you want gay marriage so bad, AT LEAST be clear and definitive. Give religious organizations a sweeping bill of rights giving us the right the disagree on this issue without being labeled bigots and having our careers threatend. THANK YOU.
That's without mentioning that children should have a mom and a dad, but whatever.
whatevalife6 2 years ago
It's like you're saying, "C'mon, gays. You can have marriage if you give certain groups the right to discriminate against you."
Do you realize that?
SanieClaws 2 years ago 7
And you're saying that its either their marriage, or our freedom of religion (which is a first amendment right). Sorry. Gotta side with myself on that one. Myself and all other Christians, not to mention Muslims, Hindus, and Jews.
And another thing. I'm sure you wouldn't object soooo much if we decided to "discriminate" (or believe against. that's really all it is.) marrying fathers and daughters.
whatevalife6 2 years ago
@whatevalife6: Christians haven't been sued over their religious beliefs, that's a blatant lie. They have been sued for discrimination when appropriate.
Kaileo1 1 year ago
@whatevalife6
whatevalife6...you just shouldn't talk about this subject anymore because im pretty sure that after reading this, even yes on prop 8 people would start saying no on 8 just because of how stupid you just made them all look.
Lostxfame 1 year ago
if "God" doesnt want people to be gay then why are gay people born gay...
erik95cum 2 years ago
you make me sick!im jenjen (my nickname) from england, im homo, i don't have a partner and i have dislike of the church of england because they discriminate against people who aren't with them. ITS THE FUCKING KKK AL OVER AGAIN YOU BLOODY PREACHING DUMBASS!!!!!
neonblast 2 years ago
great video.... i don't want gays to be able to get married.... screw that....
adamlrhodes 2 years ago
This vid is about letting gays marry dumbass
ShadowWintyr 2 years ago
hes saying gays should be able to marry
J3sSKl3In 2 years ago
Do you know that the UN wants to force parenting laws to govern over our children...giving them power to control religion in our country. Would you give up your sovereighty?? Would you sell your desire to be gay for sovereighty...to dominate over Christians?
CalifSunshine2008 2 years ago
Dude chill with the fox news crap, I saw that report and it is horribly bieased and taken out of context. Having said that lets say hypothetically it does get signed, and it means what fox says it means. IT WILL NEVER BE ENFORCED. Fox, CNN, and MSNBC all preach hate and fear so anything you hear from any of those stations is going to be horribly biased. You seriously have no idea what your talking about or what the
Syst3m04 2 years ago
I saw that on Fox too...months after I've seen the legislation.
CalifSunshine2008 2 years ago
So if you've seen the legislation and actually know how to read you would know it's not taking any rights away from parents. The government wont control your kids religion, or spanking, or any other idea you wish to teach them.
Syst3m04 2 years ago
The UN would seek control for Americans to answer to them... on spankings and religion.
CalifSunshine2008 2 years ago
Dude, when you actually start to post intelligently I'll start to respond again, but until then I'm just wasting my time.
Syst3m04 2 years ago
It's easy to pick and choose morality and to tell God that what we want is more important then his laws. I'm thankful the churches supported 8. You are right that money would be better spent on the hungry and on education; however, a judge decided to take the laws into his own hands instead of listening to the majority of people in California.
CalifSunshine2008 3 years ago
There actually is MORE violence in the gay community. I don't mind that you have your legal ways to unite. However, I DO NOT want your indoctrination in MY childs classroom!
CalifSunshine2008 3 years ago
"There actually is MORE violence in the gay community"
That's an interesting claim. Can you cite any data to back that up? I'm honestly just curious because I have never heard that before.
cactuslightpole 3 years ago 3
Heterosexism is the belief that heterosexuality is the only preferred
or right form of relationship. Heterosexism may result in anti-gay
discrimination or hate violence from those who are not gay-identi-
fied. Same sex batterers employ heterosexism as a means to control
their partners' choices of clothing, self-expression and even who the
victim can socialize with.
CalifSunshine2008 3 years ago
Batterers exploit the potential for hetero-
sexist discrimination and homophobic bias to convince their victims
that no one will help them and that going outside of the relationship
will result in abuse and injury by neighbors, family, police, medical
providers and others.
CalifSunshine2008 3 years ago
NO I am talking about real world studies, not theory. If you're talking about domestic violence or psychological abuse show how this occurs MORE in homosexual relationships than heterosexual relationships, especially since homosexual relationships in this country are but a fraction compared to heterosexual ones.
cactuslightpole 3 years ago
I was looking for facts and found theory I thought was interesting. Got a few things going at the moment, but I will find more.
CalifSunshine2008 3 years ago
Interesting that you need to look and dig for facts on something that should seem so overwhelmingly obvious seeing as people have already voted in the negative. It's like "go ahead and vote no on it now and we will try to find detrimental data and facts on it later". You can blatantly say things like "There is MORE violence in homosexual societies" but when asked to back that up all you get is "well I will have to get back to you on that".
cactuslightpole 3 years ago
I believe that the indoctrination of heterosexual relationships (being the only form of love) in the classroom results in the disproportionate amount of gay people who suffer from depression (particularly during adolescence when they usually realise their sexuality). You have no idea what it's like having to "realise" that you're gay. It's not being gay that's bad, it's thinking that you're the only one in the whole world because it's been hidden from you since you were a child.
ffliz217 3 years ago
Depression is something, you have to own and take personal responsibility for...you can't blame others for something going on in your own head.
CalifSunshine2008 3 years ago
... Where did you get that from? You seriously don't believe that environmental factors contribute to mental health? What about when a loved one dies? are you going to tell the grieving family to "take personal responsibility" for the way they feel, or are they allowed to say that the death of their loved one is causing them to feel bad? I agree that you have to work things through yourself to move on but you can absolutely attribute depression to certain factors. Any psychologist can tell you.
ffliz217 3 years ago
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Well, you want to "change" the world that you blame homosexual depression on. The world is wrong to you that believes homosexuality is a sin. You want to brain-wash the next generation of youth so homosexuals aren't depressed? You want ethics and morals out of schools, because "they" contribute to homosexuals being depressed? Tell me, if there were a pill that would cure homosexuality, if it is not a choice, but a medical condition like you claim, would you take it?
CalifSunshine2008 3 years ago
I want purely irrational Christian (and other religious) morals to be kept away from children until they are old enough to make up their own minds. I'm not calling for homosexuality 101 to be taught to kindergarten students. I simply think that it's hypocritical for people like you to condemn the children's exposure to homosexuality when they are clearly bombarded with images of conservative relationships from day one. It's double standards at it's worst.
ffliz217 3 years ago 10
@ffliz217
Good point I agree, no one gets mad when kids see heterosexuality everyday, and who seriously thinks that homosexuality is something kids can learn and become by being exposed to it lol That's not how sexuality works or how kids develop.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
I never claimed that homosexuality was a medical condition, you're confused. However, i would absolutely not take a magic pill that changed my sexuality from gay to straight. I am in a relationship with somebody i love and value more than i value the way conservative, irrational members of society choose to see me.
Do you believe that exposing kids to different groups in society is "brain washing"?
I'm saying that hiding them away from life is going to hurt many of them later on.
ffliz217 3 years ago 2
How bout the 11 year old boy who 12 days ago hung himself because his football team was making fun of him because he was flamboyant? That was not his fault at all, kids of his age are struggling to deal with the emotional rollercoaster their body is going through. Take all of that then throw in the fact that he is being made fun of for being gay?
Syst3m04 2 years ago
The weak have always been teased. It is human nature. Gays do have a higher rate of depression. Boys on football teams, tease the weak, as it weeds out weakness. I don't condone that...that is the way it is. If you have an injury on the a football team, do you know what happens if you are taped up? The opposing side hits the injury. You cannot change the world to suit you. You have to chose happiness.
CalifSunshine2008 2 years ago
That's alot different for an 11 year old child.
Syst3m04 2 years ago
Teaching the 11 year old that he has too many choices may lead to his depression. Teaching morals and the child about God may have saved his life.
CalifSunshine2008 2 years ago
Isn't god just another choice? Your absolutly right about the morals though, which can be taught without god. I'm always shocked how people assume these go together, like all atheists are racists or something. If the bullies (based on statistical data most of which are from religious families) were actually taught morals like love thy neighbor, and hate the sin not the sinner, then yea maybe he wouldn't have killed himself.
Syst3m04 2 years ago
I have been the object of teasing growing up...and it was no fun. Suicide is something else. Depression is a symtom of being gay. Allowing an 11 year old to think that he was gay is a sin.
CalifSunshine2008 2 years ago
Dude seriously get off the religious high. Speeding is a sin, lying is a sin, masturbation is a sin, covetry, gossip, contempt, malice, greed, sloth, gluttony, yet no one cares about those. How bout this, of all religious groups (atheists included) Evangelicals and baptists have the highest divorce rates (a sin) and remarriage is adultry (7th commandment). Most of the "sins" I listed you've probably commited. Matthew 5:21-28 says all sins are equal, and isn't it only god who can judge?
Syst3m04 2 years ago
God wanted us to know his word...and his wisdom and utter it.
CalifSunshine2008 2 years ago
Depression is not a symptom of being gay since gay is not an infectious disease. Allowing an 11 year old to KNOW he's gay is not a sin. If god really made us in his own image, he's gotta be at least bicurious. Seriously dude I'm not religious so saying it's a sin does nothing but irritate me. Please come up with a valid point other than "the bible said so", otherwise this conversation is over. Take a break from your teaching and read Matthew 7, particularly verse 5.
Syst3m04 2 years ago
Gays have higher rates of depression..because it is wrong. I'm not going to sell you the brainwashed BS the gay community is pushing. An 11 year old needs direction....it's called parenting.
CalifSunshine2008 2 years ago
His wisdom if faulted. Homosexuality doesn't cause depression, the feeling of insecurity due to not being able to tell your friends your true feelings without a dire consequence does. You can disagree with homosexuality all you want, but you definetly need to teach children to not make fun of them... it's called parenting. You don't have to like them, you don't have to approve of them, but don't teach that it's ok to hate them when you are just as guilty as they are.
Syst3m04 2 years ago
There are studies and statitstics that would disagree with your position with rates of depression among homoesexuals. I am not aware of any parents teaching children to tease...not now..and not when I was growing up. However, teaching children that being gay is wrong...is our right to religious freedom. I actually am for tolerance..but honestly, I can't see that is is recipricated in the gay community.
CalifSunshine2008 2 years ago
That arguement could be made in both cases since what you see on TV will always be the extremists. You want to see fanatic christians watch a you tube clip called "jesus camp". I understand that alot of christians are tolerant, just as alot of gays are religious. My problem comes when religious people condemn gays for "their sins" without failing to realize that the act of condemning someone is a sin. The holier than thou attitude is a real turn off.
Syst3m04 2 years ago
No..I'm not talking about TV .... if you dig..it is online in scientific studies. Right to free speech to condemn a sin is a right to free speech and a right to freedom of religion....so before you throw out our freedoms for your "feelings," I suggest you consider the precedednt you would set.
CalifSunshine2008 2 years ago
The whole depression thing makes sense if you think about it. Homosexuals (male and female) have a different sized hypothalamus and amygdala, both play a strong role in emotions, that doesn't mean that their gayness causes their depression (doesn't mean it doesn't either). As far as the rest of your comment went it doesn't make the slightest bit of sense so I'm not even going to try to answer whatever it is you are trying to say.
Syst3m04 2 years ago
There has always been temptations for all us are born with original sin. God expects more...he expects us to follow his laws.
CalifSunshine2008 2 years ago
The gays are coming with their strap-ons and their astroglide. RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! DON'T FORGET THE BIBLE.
rockyraccoon44 2 years ago
The bible is one of the biggest scams in the history of humanity. It is a waste of paper. You are a bigot......
TheManInTheMasks 2 years ago 2
1. Duuude. NOT a bigot. haha i'm a dyke. I was joking, clearly.
2. The bible contains many wonderful stories, and can help people live better lives. When people use anything to start snipping away at the rights of others, though, then it becomes tainted.
rockyraccoon44 2 years ago
Agreed, if that 's your thing then that's your thing. I think that religion in general is a sham, but some people need it for hope.....
TheManInTheMasks 2 years ago
i don't understand how people can bring religion into this.
an older version of the bible placed women as second class citizens, and had numerous bible verses about how to treat your slaves.
if you want to base your vote on the bible, you really shouldn't leave anything out. let's go back to the rich white man culture. :)
spencerdeanbitch 3 years ago 4
It's like saying, I was born to do drugs. We can control our behavior. We can control our thoughts. There are lots of men that could have been gay, but chose otherwise. How can you be so sure you aren't conditioned by popular thinking? Some men are molested as boys, some boys have over- controlling mothers and neglectful fathers, some may have had a genetic issue, but with all the things to help in that area, why not please God and be straight.
CalifSunshine2008 3 years ago
not everyone is christian. and not everyone believes what you believe. you cannot just make your beliefs the law, like this proposition is suggesting. it's been scientifically proven that men and women are born homosexual. although christianity has the ability to defy science and fact, it really shouldn't be the law..
spencerdeanbitch 3 years ago
so why aren't you pleasing god who i think created intelligence and use that blob of mush that might have at one time BEEN A BRAIN CALIFSUNSHINE!!
obamawill2008 3 years ago
What about the relationships of the children of the future. If you normalize a relationship, you are asking them to question themselves. If you have a boy from an over-bearing mother and an absent father, you will have someone that will question himself and be seeking male attention. This combination of questioning and seeking male attention could lead to a man chosing to be gay. We shouldn't question ourselves, but be praying for God's guidance and reading the Bible to know Him.
CalifSunshine2008 3 years ago
I understand your thinking, but that's not how it works. You don't choose to be gay. It's illogical. Why would anybody choose to be part of a minority that is so persecuted? People want and try as hard as they possibly can to be straight, but if that just is not possible because that's not the way God made you, then you admit that you're gay so that you can find a loving partner. It's a last resort because it's a MUCH harder life to face such oppression.
drewj1969 3 years ago 2
Where did tolerance get us...just to another door where family values and religous freedom are not respected.
CalifSunshine2008 3 years ago
You tolerate a barking dog. You tolerate a leaky faucet. Gays don't need tolerance. They need to maintain their basic, fundamental civil rights that were stripped away from them.
Religious freedom? Passing prop 8 took away religious freedom! It imposed the religious beliefs of some on people who do not share those beliefs.
drewj1969 3 years ago
We have exactly the same opinion on the opposite point of view.
CalifSunshine2008 3 years ago
Get back to traditional values or the future generations will never receive God's blessings.
CalifSunshine2008 3 years ago
Future generations don't want God's blessings. Did you ever think of that?
illusion1212007 3 years ago
and your point is what illusion??!!
obamawill2008 3 years ago
It's not uncommon for women to pray for a future daughter-in-law, that hasn't met her son and pray for the grandchildren that haven't been a glimmer in the eye. God says the people are saved have their names written in The Book of Life. Time is irrelevent to God. I want my children's children blessed. I'll pray for them before I know who they are. Without God's blessings, we are all lost.
CalifSunshine2008 3 years ago
NO ON 8
mazuine 3 years ago
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..great video...how ironic that the mormon church whose very founders joseph smoth and brigham young distorted old testament narrative to justify immorality (polygamy) and racism against blacks should sit in judgment on ANYONE...
dimtry19 3 years ago
Romans 1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
superchick79 3 years ago
What, you're justifying your own bigotry by quoting bigotry from the Bible? LOL!
FYI many of us do not consider the Bible to be "the word of God", so don't force your religious beliefs on us.
NavajoJoe66 3 years ago
If you don't believe in gay marriage then don't marry someone of the same gender as you. If you don't believe in incest, then don't marry your sister, simple as that. Let others live there lives how they want to.
malcb001 3 years ago
'Let others live there lives how they want to.'
So by that rational you would allow someone to marry a child (tribal law) or 50 year old Polygamists to marry seven x 16 year old girls (16 is the age of consent).
Where would you draw the line.
PottersHouseOz 3 years ago
We draw the line at defining marriage as a union between two consenting adults regardless of whether they are hetero or homo. Simple as that.
NavajoJoe66 3 years ago
Well thankfully YOU don't make the rules.
Marriage is a religious ceremony, if you want no part of religion, then why do you want to partake in a sacred religious ceremony?
The only reason is the tax benefits. Same sex relationships are unnatural.
PottersHouseOz 3 years ago
Yes, thankfully those of us who represent equality, reason, and respect for human dignity aren't responsible for Prop 8.
Marriage isn't necessarily a religious ceremony, I can go to city hall and get a marriage certificate. You and your churches need to BUTT OUT of other peoples' private lives.
And if by "unnatural" you mean "not occurring in nature", then you're wrong. 10% of any given population is homosexual, including animals, so your argument holds no water.
NavajoJoe66 3 years ago
Just because animals do it doesn't make it right. The Praying mantis rips the head of the male during intercourse than cannibalises the body.
Other animals rape and kill, we are human, very different to animals. So it is your argument that holds no weight.
PottersHouseOz 3 years ago
And humans don't rape and kill?
You seem to be missing my point. You asserted that homosexuality is "unnatural". I have shown you that it is, in fact, natural in that roughly 10% of any given population on earth is oriented that way. That's a fact you can ignore if you choose, but it is still a fact.
And even if it was "unnatural", how is that morally wring? Flying in a plane is "unnatural", breast implants are "unnatural", dying your hair is "unnatural". Are those immoral as well?
NavajoJoe66 3 years ago
pUTTING YOUR PENIS INTO ANOTHER MANS ANUS IS DISGUSTING. (oops caps lock)
It was not ment for that purpose. Man has a partner, is is woman.
I don't understand 'Gay Love' so please excuse my ignorance on the subject, but I love my best mate, but I don't want to have sex with him.
PottersHouseOz 3 years ago
To answer your comments:
Humans do rape & kill, but it is Immoral, even though it takes place in nature.
Homosexual % is more like 1-3%
Flying - Not immoral, Breast implants - border line, dying hair - No.
I wish Gays all the happiness in the world, but the fact remains that I will always be opposed to Gay 'Marriage'. Live together the rest of your lives if you must, write a will, but marriage is off limits.
It is something that I personally hold sacred.
And so does 52% of Cali's.
PottersHouseOz 3 years ago
In response to your answers:
Society has reached a consensus that raping and killing is generally wrong, because these activities are done without the consent of the other party. Homosexuality is not an ativity, it is an orientation. And the relationships it entails are consensual.
Homosexuality is more like 12% - 13%, but it depends on how you define "homosexuality".
Homosexuality is not a pathology, nor is it unnatural.
Gays consider marriage sacred, too.
NavajoJoe66 3 years ago 2
Gee, maybe because you're heterosexual? Just a guess.
NavajoJoe66 3 years ago
I do Understand Lust, and sexual immorality. Before I became a Christian I was known as the Sick man of Asia, because of my insatiable sexual appetite.
I owned brothels and was a drug dealer, stand over man and debt collector. I also worked in the Gay clubs(security & drug dealing). I admit that I was sexually immoral, but I was able to draw the line when it came to the same sex.
Are gay people unable to fight off the sexual urges that they feel towards other people of the same sex?
PottersHouseOz 3 years ago
Yes, I guess gays are sometimes unable to "fight off" the sexual urges they feel toward certain individuals they are attracted to, who happen to be members of the same sex, in the same way that you are unable to "fight off" sexual urges you feel toward certain members of the opposite sex. So what? They like men, you like women. Big deal. Who cares.
PS - Congrats on leaving your life of partying hard behind, but I suspect you were able to "draw the line" at men because you are heterosexual.
NavajoJoe66 3 years ago
True, I am Hetero.
I am able to fight off sexual urges towards other women. They are very attractive but I Love my wife, so I am able to control my sexual being.
PottersHouseOz 3 years ago
This young guy has THOUGHT THIS OUT. Congratulations! He is correct, if you let gays marry you MUST let anyone or any group of people to marry each other, couples can marry, a man can marry as many women as he wants to. You also must let 6 women all marry each other, cousins can marry cousins, brothers marry sisters, people marry their pets if they want to. Even MORE stupid is the crying idiots (Keith Olbermann) equating homo marriage with interracial marriage = dumb.
LatinSkinz 3 years ago
This is a typical slippery-slope fallacy. "Oh if we allow gay marriage, then people will want to marry their pets!". Give me a break. Marriage should be between two consenting adults, simple as that.
NavajoJoe66 3 years ago
yes on 8!
longbeachlt 3 years ago
dude,get a life!
rawrxxter 3 years ago
Where´s offmytail?
pablomra 3 years ago
i petition to start proposition 88 banning marriage.
nochance101 3 years ago
I'd rather ban divorce...since apparently we're trying to marry the Constitution to the Bible now. Let's also stone children who do not honor their parents and abide by the biblical passages on slavery. But divorce is the crucial one. Let's stop that abomination right now, before it gets taught in schools and children start wanting to grow up and be divorcees!!!
robbjmc 3 years ago
Every child deserves a DAD and a MOM, so dont screw the system!
tysonschwab 3 years ago
Shut Up!
miketimmons98 3 years ago
Oh, absolutely! It is HIGH time we went after those damned single parents too: let's introduce some legislation to make absolute sure that kids are taken away from single moms and single dads and given to normal families. Trouble with that, tysonschwab, is that the definition of "normal" families has already changed so much, that the traditional variety is now a minority. Divorce, spousal abuse, child abuse, neglect. Your system is already screwed. Don't count gays out. We make great parents.
robbjmc 3 years ago
what does this have anything to do with prop 8
anointedlana 3 years ago
Just like when YOU said every child deserves a mom and dad, Tysonschwab had this same argument a week ago. What it has to do with prop 8 is this: religious zealots are not going after single parents (yet). They're so concerned "about the kids" (which is the issue that has NOTHING to do with prop 8)...but apparently SOME families not having both sexes serve as parents are okay while others are not. I am illustrating - quite clearly - that there is an obvious bias in the argument.
robbjmc 3 years ago
Gay marriage does not naturally produce children. Gay couples can adopt regardless of whether they are married. So gay marriage has nothing to do with children having a mom and a dad. Prop 8 is pure discrimination. There's no getting around that.
drewj1969 3 years ago
Hm, now that they've retroactivaly FORBIDDEN gay marriage (which was previously allowed), aren't we on a "slippery slope" that will end up banning interracial marriage and other unions that are currently legal?
Werebat 3 years ago
Perfectly said, my friend.
zedpuss 3 years ago
this just goes to show that the uneducated, extreme liberals and left-wings, and homosexuals are not the only ones supporting this! go no on prop 8!
SharkaIsGayy 3 years ago
amen to you^^ (unless it offends you^^) very well said and i agree with everything you say..it doesn't affect people aready married
SailorVegaOfWind 3 years ago
Yes you are right that a gay marriage means nothing to me and my own marriage, I could frankly care less. But the question of polygamy is a valid one. Even the Bibles biggest names had multiple wives, why should we NOT allow polygamy? Is a loving relationship is all that is required because it is possible to love more than one person. If we tear down a definition, then it becomes a precedent for every groups position, Vote NO on prop 8, make sure you're consistent thought, support polygamy too.
guitardds 3 years ago
I'm sorry i meant prop 8, not prop 9
JimG1986 3 years ago
To the supporters of prop 8 that do not think they are discriminating.
I live in Virginia, and in my state it was illegal for me a black man to marry a white woman until the mid 1970s. when the law was overturned still more than 50% of the population opposed it, but the courts recognized the injustice the law was doing, the point of democracy is majority rule with minority rights, and prop 9 takes away the rights of the LGBTQ community. Do what's right california, stop prop 8
JimG1986 3 years ago
Hey Shatner!
fieldofart 3 years ago