The quality of U.S. education

[PaleoAthletics]

Maybe some of you educated people can mention the fact that: FOOD CREATES YOUR DAMN BRAIN!!!! ARGUE THAT AND YOU DIDN'T EAT GOOD FOOD. WHY DO WE FEED OUR KIDS CRAP AND EXPECT THEM TO HAVE A BRAIN?????????????????????????­???????????

[pneumatictrousers]

@PaleoAthletics We use to but interest groups raised the government boogie man again so we allowed the free market to handle it. So Pepsi Co and Coke Co would bid for monopolistic dominance on campuses excluding the other. I asked why was there no more healthy food and was told that kids love fat and sugar and that is what they choose. Anyone who brought up that children should have some sort was balanced diet was considered a socialist against the free market, even though it didn't really exist

[heartfire451]

The public education system is a indoctrination program. Yes, kids need to learn to read and write. From there on though, most other things they can learn on their own if they wish. The schools teach a false version of history, science from a very narrow perspective, a false version of civics, the math methods are overcomplicated and suck, they are removing music programs and all things engaging the right brain. It is truly a worker bee training center for stamping out pinheads.

[justiceforkidsnow]

Columbus Ohio City Schools is now under investigation for Criminal Fraud in the NCLB TUTORING PROGRAM - check out the videos on "justiceforkidsnow".

[oswald1973]

@GlamoursFever, it takes two hands to clap.... or three... teachers, students... and parents.

[nazar786123]

@UncleJoey12 fuck you

[dragonamt]

Most of the interesting and applicable things I have learned in my life are outside of the classroom, the foundation was certainly there, but once one gets into higher education in the United States everything is a diploma mill, if you want to get anything out of your classes you have to go above ad beyond the work given because it is almost all just busy work that is time consuming and teaches very little of value. Even AP and honors classes won't prepare you for college either.

[Jospehporta]

@fasfsdfasd BULLSHIT, I've seen plenty of white kids at university who can barely add 2 and 2 together.

[Robloxsaltytaco1234]

I teach myself. All of my teachers act retarded. I like to have fun every now and then, but seriously the education just fails.

[tatometal]

Even thou most 17 year old's act stupid as hell I think they shouldn't be called kids cause the know the difference between right and wrong the society just like to treat them like babies

[returnoftheramble3]

it's because we teach everyone. We're the most educated nation, don't be fooled.

[mrcrysis456]

You gotta go out there if you want to learn something. Learning is more than just reading books. Educate yourself.

[ThirstyDad65]

the chinese education system is a disaster. the kids don't know what they're doing; it's 100% rote memorization

[ogicabp4u]

@ThirstyDad65 Its NOT rote memorization its systematic intelligence and it is what is 'IN" your computer. Without the Chinese and the S.Koreans your computer RAM would be Way more expensive...so don't knock it....they can refine , reduced and reproduce far more efficiently than western nations. They just have a different type of intelligence and skill. That's why western education is in trouble because the Ben Steins of this world FAIL to recognize this. Intellect has many forms.

[xiongmu]

"better education" is grossly oversimplified but he does make some good points. A lot of kids in China do better in math and science than American children but they aren't much good at critical thinking or questioning their own system. The US just needs to re-emphasize math and science and it will be just fine. Besides, given time, the Chinese will get lazy as their material life improves.

[returnoftheramble3]

@xiongmu the US just needs to throw us out after 8th grade if we're workers. Every new school after elementary should have an entrance test.

[FRSFreeStateNow]

The main problems with Public Education in America is that are priorities are mixed up. Schools are given Students based on their location instead of the job they do Educating. And Educators are paid based on their Time of Service instead of the job that they do Educating. As well as not having Competition and Choice in Public Education. Parents are forced to send their kids to Schools based on where they live instead of what they feel is the best Schools for their kids.

[PRESTOSAURUSREX]

I don't hate America, I'm American, but I'm starting to question how much longer we'll be considered the "best of the world".

[JayBeTheOne]

@PRESTOSAURUSREX not for long. Every thing comes to a end eventually

[Ngelcanfly]

Every time you tell an American kid to do his/her homework, you would expect to see eye rollings, talking back, and or procrastination. I was guilty of it too while growing up. In China, doing homework shouldn't need to be reminded.

[893160007]

the problem isn't study time

people have to have a fuckin life

the problem is the system isn't about learning but can you be programed their way

[samten10a]

@893160007

PROGRAMED their way what is their way?

If you mean to sit quietly so not to disturb others.

To learn math, science, english, chemistry, physics, computer. To ask question that pertain to subject matter. [Hopefully the teacher will know what is being taught so can answer the questions]. To do assigned work that pertain to the subject matter.

[samten10a]

@893160007

PROGRAMED their way what is their way?

If you mean you have to follow rules, regulations that you don’t approve of. Like : clothing, dress code, tattoos, piercing, fighting , calling people manes, showing affection, harassment, disrespect of teachers, cell phones, np3 players.

[893160007]

@samten10a

I mean to learn (what they want) the way they want you to learn

school grades have nothing to do with intelligence

[swiftyuki]

SLHS introduced this today. it's interesting how people live isn't it? i would know.... travelling to other places is sometimes like going to another world.

[tennismaster3211]

india fails to teach creativity instead they are just book worms. I have been there and seen it.

This is where America succeds and thats why America is the best.

[thamade]

i study in america and i dont see myself being able to participate in much creativity

[tangerinegirl59]

Carmel is one of the best schools in the state, but it isn't the best in the country, not at all. It's a public school, however you look at it. The people who made this documentary chose an average school compared to the rest of the country.

Very interesting that many in India are going into engineering...

[paisleyyama]

@tangerinegirl59 The problem is there are only so many engineering jobs. There will be a lot of competition to get these jobs and those who don`t are left in the dust. I know an Indian man who is an engineer but ended up coming to come to Japan illegally & to do manuel labor b/c he couldn`t get an engineering job. There should be encouragement to seek an edu. in all areas no just one.

[tangerinegirl59]

@paisleyyama

Yeah, I agree.. so much competition will cause a lot of people not to get the job/quality of a job that they want... and even with a lot of work too..

[samten10a]

@paisleyyama In 50 years there will not be a manufacturing plant in the USA they will be all over seas. Unless shipimg raise the price to where it is cheaper to build here.

The only jobs will servicing the junk that is built some were else. The way most of it built it is cheaper just get a new one.

[samten10a]

@paisleyyama In 50 years there will not be a manufacturing plant in the USA they will be all over seas. Unless shipimg raise the price to where it is cheaper to build here.

The only jobs will servicing the junk that is built some were else. The way most of it built it is cheaper just get a new one.

[paisleyyama]

@samten10a I don`t think shipping is the answer. Shipping prices have steadily been rising for decades & other countries can always say "we`ll ship for less". The problem is more complex. By shipping jobs overseas, it`s better for the business that can bypass some stiff regulations and taxes. Other countries offer better deals to the corporations & businessmen are like wise shoppers, they look for the best deal. America is offering bad deals to businessmen so they take their biz elsewhere.

[RoniCMaster]

@tangerinegirl59 They also chose average schools for students from the other 2 countries, so it evens out.

[PseudoSenator]

3:22 showcases such hilarity that it makes me believe the Chinese aren't as advanced as we fear. :P Only kidding. In truth, there is a very serious crisis that I think must be adressed by President Obama. Our school year should be lengthened to 230 days in my opinion.

[OhNoeAmanda]

US looks for the easy wayy out for everything

[PseudoSenator]

@OhNoeAmanda

 How do you figure?

[curiousEGM]

"when Sputnik went over in 1959"? WTH?

Ever hear of October 4, 1957? I happen to think that things are better when they are accurate. Accurate enough to warrant the assumption a national educational system is truly in jeopardy of teachings its students with vagueness of content to control their minds and futures. Is that where we have been headed for so long? Maybe?

[AumOrOm]

In India you have to study hard,real hard.

You should be focused,attentive,smart grasping power to stand apart .

If not focused in studies u have to find out other way to survive immediately otherwise cann't compete with others

[NWOSupporter2012]

You have to educate yourself,to be truly illuminated Get a degree for the title if required, but most educational programs are lacking in real skills. College in most cases is just a place for parties and people to not earn the skills to become productive,at least in America.

[silentsoliloquy82]

Those are the foolish morons who do not take their studies seriously. As my mother always said you have be attentive and apply yourself. Being a studious and conscientious student does pay off. (That does not mean obsessive studying 24/7 and skipping meals, lol.)

[silentsoliloquy82]

*to be

[NegativeCreepBP]

Pretty sure school is called liberal indoctrination... I agree, being self taught is the way to go.

[DanMorgan98]

lol. You are obviously someone that has never gone to school.

[abedbae]

i waste tons of time! fuck it in the US if your a guy join the core and if your a girl be a pornstar you will make it far !

I think you just summed up the modern post high school lives of many late teens.

[normant7703]

This documentary is deeply flawed and totally wrong.

Even India and Chinese had a good education and speak English

Their mentality is different. Once their live in U.S they will get burn.

America China and India has different system daily living.

U.S way more advance them any country.

[abhinavc]

First, I am an indian. So, indians, don't go after me.

Second, I have a masters from a top university in the US.

This documentary is deeply flawed. The producer has picked two kids from upple middle class backgrounds who are not at all representative of India. I am from that background and I can tell you, we do not constitute the masses. Education in the US is taken very seriously and I have come to realize that it is not quantity but quality that matters.

[svtuition]

Dear friend ,

Education is the way of enjoy with learning and it is not matter of comparison , because Education is universal and Good Education is one not more or in varity . In India our saints Educates us in Simple three formula

1. In morning time remember God

2. After this do your duty

3. After this eat food with our friends , brothers and relatives . I think Guru system is the best quality of Education Which was providing in ancient India

[scata99]

I wasted most of my time in high school. I studied the night before tests and completed assignments the day before in a rush yet managed to crank out A's and B's at a private school. The international students from china and korea mocked the curriculum as being too easy.

[scottylovesdebby]

i waste tons of time! fuck it in the US if your a guy join the core and if your a girl be a pornstar you will make it far !

[SArmst2547]

Prior to Abraham Lincoln, America prided itself in being the only democracy in the world with near-universal literacy, almost all of which was arrived at individually through self-tutorial or quasi-private school (see Gary Wills, Lincoln at Gettysburg). What has happened to gut American public educcation? Is our situation a residual of the Know-Nothing movement? Whatever has caused this mess, American education needs help!

[Fike2308]

A lot of Chinese students spend their time:

(1) Sleeping

(2) On-Line

(3) Playing Basketball

(4) Finding creative ways to avoid studying

[sargon08]

the real problem with Education is what i call zooning !! see in country like belgium you can take your kid to any school and the gov will pay for it !! in the U.S the gov will not do that becouse of the Teachers Union !! you can take it only to schools in your Zoon keeping black and latin and poor white in bad schools !! and it dosnt start in hight school !! it start in the Primary school

[xingfenzhen]

Don't wonna sound too picky, but Sputnik is in '57. In '59 there is Luna, the first satellite to orbit the moon. Not nearly as famous as Sputnik, but it does let Russian names all the crater on the dark side of the moon.

[crypticlife]

Fortunately for us, India and China have their own issues. However, they are working on them.

The US should have *unquestionably* the best educational system in the world; we should be as far ahead educationally as we are militarily. Our system now is inflexible and stagnant.

[keulekavlinski]

...but if you would have a better education, would you still have enough money for the military stuff? and furthermore would there be someone left who still is dumb enough to join it??

[warwar33]

World is getting smaller every day and Americans no longer can compete with smarter outsiders. The educational system of United Estate is flailing the American people. I believe this was a plan by British. I truly believe America will become the biggest third world country in the world before it rise up again which I do not believe it would happen in the next 20 years if our planet still exist. Hollywood is the reason of our present and future misery. Hollywood is the Satan's headquarter.

[lurner26]

Readmore... Have you ever taught in a US public school? I have and the students are simply not prepared either intellectually or emotionally for an adult life.

[youtootube99]

lurner, are you even 30? I grew up in a different era, and I agree with you. Public chools in the US today are purposely dumbing down the kids. That's because the govt wants unthinking worker bees that don't question authority. Do you have a solution? If you don't your wasting my time.

[lurner26]

In response to your question: "lurner, are you even 30?" I am 46.

[readmorephilosophy]

Dear lurner26,

Thank you for your question. I have taught in private school and in private settings.  I also have grown children and am aware of the problems you cite through their experience and through colleagues - professionals in teaching/policy/curriculum development arenas in the public school setting.

I agree in some senses with your remarks. Mr. Compton's film is not a helpful effort however, in that it propagates narrow spectrum global framings of class and opportunity.

[KRE14]

I'm sorry, not to oppose in any rude way. Yet, no matter what ype o environment one is in when being educated whther it's public schools systems, Private school systems or home schooling, it all depends on the student. The student makes best of their environment and their resources and if this doesn't work, the student must do more for him, or herself. It's not all to be blamed on the school systems, but also on the effort of the student.

[asdfgoogle]

I just got out of HS a few years ago. I was always a top learner through elementary and middle school. I honestly NEVER EVER studied in elementary or middle school, and HS was a change. HS was the first time I ever wrote a note and studied in my entire life.

Our school systems don't push us and therefor put us in a position to where we're not ready. We get forced into 8 semesters of English. I honestly had to take English classes of Physics and Biology. True fucking story.

[asdfgoogle]

I'm sorry, I meant Chemistry, not biology.

[nekotheninja]

that's because nobody has prepared them, there is no respect in public schools, and no creative freedom. without those two CRITICAL requirements, nobody is ever going to learn squat.

[scata99]

Its the fault of kids not the educators. American kids don't give a rats ass about education, they just do whatever they need to do to get an acceptable grade without caring if they learn anything in the process. They aren't interested in academics, they care more about whats going on friday night and video games.

[silentsoliloquy82]

Generalisation.

[oswald1973]

@lurner26 as a university professor and coming from an Asian country, grew up poor and not with any spoon in my mouth... there are strengths and weaknesses of all education systems, creativity versus hardwork... China and India are learning from the US, just like US should learn from China and India.

[Gasparro18]

@oswald1973 This is what I see as a problem in our education system. It's just the kids wanting to slack off and some of its the teachers. I think we need to quit raising the stakes when its comes to education. Like No Child Left Behind. It doesn't accomplish anything. Since the U.S. is cutting back on education how is the U.S. gonna fund NCLB now? Are the kids doing it to be successful or are they doing it to get funding?

[readmorephilosophy]

John Ralston Saul has called Friedman's The Earth is Flat an "embarrassing self help tract." Saul's book Voltaire's Bastards should be basic reading.

For a withering critique of India's failed education system, read chapters 3 & 8 of Martha Nussbaum's The Clash Within.

Resist the unexamined and silly ideas that are marketed in films like Two Million Minutes and books like The Earth is Flat. They are puffery - cash cows for their proprietors.