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  • Sure I can translate-there saying Mohammad was a mass murdering slave owning wife beating war mongering child screwing pedophile false prophet- then I thing he ask her for a beaner after the show.

  • they are afraid to post in english or translate. then the truth would be exposed. their belief is surrender or die.

  • this girl hijab orange is true female muslim, i see many tim watch programe with english subtitle nfor long ago

  • PLEASE TRANSLATE THE VIDEO.

  • in muslim calture women are treated like meat not humans at all. This is why many people are converting. infact 80% of them are females.

  • this video makes me want to go to the bathroom and take a big muslim.

  • They are not Muslim clerics .

  • EVERY VIDEO THAT SHOWS THIS STUFF, EVERY COUNTRY TOO CANNOT ALL BE WRONG. THIS RELGION IN IT'S MANY SHADES AND DEGREES SI NOT FOR MY SISTA AND YOUNG FEMALE CHILDREN EITHER. MEN HAVE EGOS THAT LIKE POWER, CONTROL AND DAM, THIS WHOLE PLANETS NEEDS MORE MONEY. BUT THESE HUMAN RIGHTS THAT GET OUT OF HAND FOR "RELGION rEASONS" OH HELL NO GIRL NOT FOR ME NOT FOR MY DAUGHTERS EITHER. NOT MY MAMA EITHER. THSI IS BS AND EVIL IN EXTREME

  • These are nopt muslim clerics you stupid twat!4

  • Qu ran repetitive FACT

    no context FACT

    no chronology FACT

    much incomprehensible FACT

    validates hate, violence, discrimination FACT

    poorly recalls old testament stories, and older texts FACT

    stolen christian hymns,(most word for word). FACT

    believed translated as a liturgy by most unbiased scholars, probably not even in arabic! and passed on to a homophobic,backward, illiterate, jew and woman hater with a personality disorder and terrible memory FACT :-)

  • hum? I can say the same about the bible. I am sure if the Hebrews were still in existence they would say the same about the Christians....

  • new testament jew hater? woman hater? terrible memory? homophobic? Validates hate ? violence? discrimination? no pretense bout the gospels either? so....................
  • I need you to write complete sentences, what are you trying to say dude? Spit it out.

  • one of the worst thing in this world today... islam...

  • the worst thing is an opinion without facts.

  • If she is covering her whole body and hair to be conservative and to not attract men, and because she is pround and respectfull of who she is, how come her face is full of makeup?

  • how you dare to insult her?

    Who are you???

  • Im not insulting im just asking a simple question. Why do Islamic women wear make up, does it not defeat the purpose of wearing a hijab? If they wear hijab to please Allah, then why have a face full of makeup, to attract men?, or to look beautiful for who? To feel good about themselves? but i thought hijab was worn by women who are proud of their natural inner beauty that Allah gave to them.... and i thought they wanted to be modest about their appearance?

  • They generally do not wear makeup. Its  just like you find the more orthodox Christian women covering their hair while generally secular women of the same faith don't cover.

    Women are exposed to the same fashion madness where ever you go.

  • That is true generally they dont. The question is directed to the women who do, im trying to point out that it creates a confusing representation of the women and hijab.

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  • (هو الذي أنزل عليك الكتاب منه آيات محكمات هن أم الكتاب وأخر متشابهات فأما الذين في قلوبهم زيغ فيتبعون ما تشابه منه ابتغاء الفتنة وابتغاء تأويله وما يعلم تأويله إلا الله والراسخون في العلم يقولون آمنا به كل من عند ربنا وما يذكر إلا أولو الألباب

  • 5:33 - The cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides as punishment, stoning a new mother, torturing until people and animals (Halal Slaughter - killing is inhumane) die a slow death, suppressed freedom of religion, rape, death to apostates. I wud expect much better from someone who was supposedly guided by the creator of the universe. Instead, Muhammad has proven that he was guided by an evil force.

    HIS SOLUTIONS WERE NOT AWE INSPIRING! His solutions were VIOLENCE, TORTURE and DEATH!

  • Death by Stoning: the Bible vs the Quran

    1.For touching Mount Sinai Exodus 19:13

    2.For taking "accursed things" Joshua 7:1-26

    3.For cursing or blaspheming Leviticus 24:16

    4.For adultery (including urban rape victims who fail to scream loud enough) Deuteronomy 22:23-24

    5.For animals (like an ox that gores a human) Exodus 21:28

    6.For a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night Deuteronomy 22:13-21

    7.For worshiping other gods Deuteronomy 17:2-5

  • 8.For preaching the wrong religion Deuteronomy 13:5-10

    9.For disobeying parents Deuteronomy 21:18-21

    10.For witches and wizards Leviticus 20:27

    11.For giving your children to Molech Leviticus 20:2

    12.For breaking the Sabbath Numbers 15:32-56

    13.For cursing the king 1 Kings 21:10

  • Stoning does not appear in the quran, its a tradition from the Hebrews.

  • but isnt it yet another FILTHY direction by your prick mohammed

    and do muslim females get STONED whilst the pious muslim ghoulls enjoy throwing the stones...yes or no

  • Achan ... took of the accursed thing. ... And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. ... So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger. Joshua 7:1-26

    And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. Leviticus 24:16

  • If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24

  • on a par with the filth/barbarity of islam isnt it...re STONING to death, MURDER for non belief, children denied childhoods,

    religions have SO MUCH to answer for....and what stuns me is that people believe both bible and koran with the NONSENSE/MYTHS/DECEIT in both

  • @noreason2cry ( ye shall stone them with stones that they die ) Reply- Jhn 8:7 So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first." Jhn 8:9 Then those who heard [it], being convicted by [their] conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest [even] to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. .....

  • @noreason2cry (CONT.)  Jhn 8:10 When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, "Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?" Jhn 8:11 She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said to her, "Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more." Jhn 8:12 Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life."

  • If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned. Exodus 21:28

  • And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21

  • yes, how 'alike' both religions are arent they...obsessed with ownership of females, virgnity, punishments and the most obsecene immorality re the human misery they cause

    LOOK at islam...most of the world view it as UTTERLY REPULSIVE

    christianity has a dirty dark past....but has reformed...whereas islam is STUCK in the dirty dark past to this very day

  • An english translation would be a good thing!

  • Islam teaches how to beat your wife. It's imperfect, soiled, clearly not frm God. It bears the fruit of death. Muslim MEN should take responsibility of their actions and temptations and stop making excuses about what women are wearing. That is like me saying, I saw someone with a needle so then it was inviting to go shoot up some heroin in my arm. Why are muslim women raped all the time? Many stay SILENT! I thought by wearing robes wud prevent these crimes? Obviously Sharia system isn't working.

  • Islam is full of contradictions; read the Hadith and you'll find them easily. Quran is an instrument of death. There are good reasons why some 99% of the world's leading Physicists are Atheists.

    The claim of science in quran is only a fantasy in the minds of islamists. Islam is not a religion of peace and enlightenment, the quran makes that abundantly clear. Especially, it is not a religion of enlightenment. As an example, the dialogues of Plato contain far greater wisdom than the EVIL QURAN.

  • give an example of a contradiction (if there are any) in the quran?

  • There are many, however, I'll give you a one that stands out most as its also a mathematical error.

    Allah's day is equal to how many human years?

    In Madinah, Sura Al-Hajj 22:47 and Makkah, Sura As-Sajdah 32:5 Allah's day is equal to 1,000 human years.

    OR...

    In Makkah, Sura Al-Ma`arij 70:4, Allah's day is equal to 50,000 human years.

    This is a clear contradiction.

  • day in arabic has more than one meaning!

    day 24 hours!

    or day an epoch (long period of time)

    like when the quran, as well as the bible says God created the heavens and earth in six days! in the quran it means 6 epochs very long periods of time! however in the bible it refers to day and night ie 6 earthly days of 24 hour which is wrong.

    thats besides the point. anyway, a day is a epoch! so depending on the verse maarij talks about angels raising up in an epoch worth 50,000 earthly years

  • however sura hajj and sajda do not talk about angels raising up..

    "All matters are controlled by Him.."

    ".. A day of your Lord is like a thousand of your years"

    so u need to know what God (Allah) is talking about when hes telling us the time period! because the time period (days) for different things are different!

    no contradiction.

    also u could say that these are long periods of times and they are metaphoric times not litteral some people would use this argument! but its not a contradiction

  • Hahaha, i guess I'll give you that one since no one can even prove if this fucking allah character even exists and where leave alone knowing how many human years are equivalent to his/her one day in whatever planet it lays its nest.

    Who has to be blamed for BELIEF AND DISBELIEF?

    (6:12)

    "It is they who have lost their own souls, that they will not believe"

    OR

    (10:100)

    "No soul can believe except by the will of Allah"

    There'll be plenty more to come if you dont shut up.

  • Allah said women are the property of their male ruler so under Islamic law, as described in the Koran, it is a man's right to demand sex from his wife whenever he feels like it.

  • u seem to be confused.. that is not a contradiction u need to understand what the word "will of God (Allah) means"!

    but it seems that u do not want to learn all you want to do is use offensive language so I wont bother explaining..

    if u want to do something benificial and constructive and informative search and watch here on youtube the following and tell me what you think

    " A Jew explains why Allah is the one and only God "

    " The truth is Allah a moon god ? Catholic priest answers "

    peace

  • Does Allah forgive shirk?

    Sura 4:48, 116

    No

    OR

    Sura 4:153, 25:68-71

    Yes

    How many days did Allah need to destroy the people of Aad?

    Sura 54:19 - One day

    OR

    Sura 41:16 & 69:6,7 - several days

  • u idiottt... read the quran properly.. and with comments... he forgave bani israel..- the children of israel... moses people they were forgiven they wer exalted that far to b forgiven.. aint u read their story properly? how they kept on being disobdient and god kept on forgiving them fool fool... and u talk bout uve studied the quran properly...

  • 54:19 .... verily, we sent against them a furious wind of harsh voice on A day of evil omen and CONTINOUS calamity

    it started on a bad day and was a continous calamity and the other ayats state it carried on for more days... ur jus contradicting none but urself and ur intelligence...

  • Who brings the revelation from Allah to Muhammad?

    Sura 2:97 - The Angel Gabriel

    OR

    Sura 16:102 - The Holy Spirit

    Who takes people's souls at death?

    Sura 32:11 The angel of death

    Sura 47:27 The angels (plural)

    OR

    Sura 39:42 "It is Allah that takes the souls at death"

  • Which was created first, the heavens or the earth?

    Sura 2:29 says the earth was created first and then heaven.

    OR

    Sura 49:27-30 says the heaven was created first and then the earth was created.

    How many days did creation take?

    Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 all clearly state that God created "the heavens and the earth" in six days.

    OR

    Sura 41:9-12, the detailed description of the creation procedure, add up to eight days.

  • How many angels were talking to Mary?

    In Sura 3:42, 45 SEVERAL angels appear to Mary in the annunciation of the birth of Jesus.

    OR

    In Sura 19:17-21 only ONE angel appears to the virgin Mary.

    How many wings do angels have?

    Sura 35:1 Angels have 2, 3, or 4 pairs of wings

    OR

    The angel Gabriel had 600 wings. (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 455)

  • 2,3,4 pairs of wings... VERILY ALLAH ADDS TO HIS CREATION AS HE PLEASES.... as in he can increase it if he wills.. do humans come all at 5 foot tall? or are we at 6 feet.. 5;5 5;6??

  • Who misleads people? Satan or Allah?

    (4:119-120)

    "I will mislead them, and I will create in them false desires....." (says Satan)

    "Satan make them promises and creates in them false hopes...." (vouched by Allah)

    OR

    (16:93)

    "If Allah so willed, He could make you all one people. But He leaves straying whom He pleases and He guides whom He pleases ...."

    CONTRADICTIONS!!!

  • EVIL AND GOOD: Where do they come from?

    While one verse says that both Evil and Good issue from Allah, the very next verse says only Good comes from Allah!

    (4:78)

    ".... If some good befalls them, they say "This is from Allah". But if evil, they say "This is from thee" (O prophet). Say: "All things are from Allah....."

    OR

    (4:79)

    "Whatever good, (O man!) happens to thee, is from Allah. But whatever evil happens to thee, is from thyself"

    CONTRADICTIONS!!!

  • no happens mate...whatever good reaches u ... and whatever evil befalls... its futur tenses... meaning hell and heaven... if its good... heaven... heaven is from allah... evil .. u go to hell because of ur evil deeds and actions- GET A PROPA TRANSLATION FIRST MATE arabic is a very complex language to translate to english perfectly

  • There is no afterlife. Maybe there is, perhaps there isnt. It is up to YOU to prove your rediculous claim and you hopelessly cannot: but making absolute statement with no evidence makes you sound like a vapid, bourgeoisie nihilist; the kind who was manipulated & recruited into the very death cult a 7th C Arab Tribal Warlord started off. Address the facts sir, you have none.

  • ur jus foolish .. aint studied the quran properly mayb the english is too high level for u? ur name makes u soudn indian neways so i dnt blame u .. watch dr.zakir naiks video online plus i dare u come to a mosque and say these things instead of hiding behind ur comp OR if ur sooooo well versed in the quran y not hav a debate with an islamic scholar?

  • Islam is purely speculation, it makes vague statements that cud be applied to almost anything.

    There are many scientific inaccuracies i.e.:

    * Flat earth

    * Earth stands still and sun rotates around the earth

    * "Let man consider from what he is created! He is created frm an emitted fluid that is produced frm between the loins and the ribs. "

    * "He is withholding the sky in a way that it cannot fall down on the earth without His permission; surely, Allah is very kind & merciful to mankind."

  • u liar... it doenst say newer the earth is flat... it doesnt say the earth stands still either.. i think ur gettin christian philosphy mixed with islam .... did u ever think botu the way allah is holding the sky from us? thRU SCIENCE u spaz...

  • From submission dawt 0rg:

    [79:30] He made the earth egg-shaped.

    The Earth is not shaped like an "EGG". It is shaped like a "BALL."

    That's far from spherical. A flat land... in the shape of an egg... interesting. You're right, the Quran is SCIENTIFICALLY SOLID!

  • ARABIC WORD USED IS DAHAHA.. i jus xplained this u idiot... dahaha is the egg of an OSTRICH... and the earth aint shaped like a ball u spaz... its spherical... OSTRICH EGG IS SPHERICAL google it.....

  • MUHAMMAD WAS A PLAGIARIST:- The Arabic word for egg is "Baidah " and NOT "Dahiyah ". There is NO such Arabic word as " Dahiyah ". "Dahaahaa" actually means " FLATTEN ". And the concise meaning of Dahaahaa is Spread out like a carpet and Flattened. This points to a clear scientific error in the Quran. The word Dahiyah is a word that comes from one of the NON-Arab tribes of North Africa. It is definitely NOT an Arabic word and NOT a word that comes from the Arabian Peninsula or Muhammad's tribe.

  • MUHAMMED PBUH was not a plagiarist.. may allah bring u famine ... and wud u kno better or an arab person? like i told u ... arab words can hav more then one meaning so goin on the net and checking it out wont give u the correct info ... Dahaha can mean the egg of an ostrich or sum translate it ass.. allah flattend the earth ... OR sum translate it as SPREAD the earth ... spread as in... inside the world inside the atmosphere so not the hole world LIEK I TOLD U ARABIC WORDS CAN HAV MANY MEANINGS

  • If Allah is ALL KNOWING why the verses: 36:38, 39:5, 13:2, 21:33, 35:41, 27:61, 31:10 Which leads to the statement that the earth is FLAT like a "carpet (haven't seen a spherical carpet yet)" and is balanced by mountains !!! Who is Lying !?! God who Created the Heavens and the Earth !?! The Arch Angel !?! or illiterate Muhammad !?! The argument that God is so loving that he did not want to upset his cruel and sensitive subject; Lunatic Muhammad, and tell him the truth, does NOT hold any water !!

  • Here's the *real* Qur'an, Sura 1:1 "Muhammad was a false prophet, both deceived and deceiving. Believe his testimony at your own peril."

    Quran is 2/3 Bible, so Xtianity has 2/3 to be blamed for the fucked-up-ness of Islam.

    It's funny YOU muslims criticize the Bible. Without christinaity there wud be no Islam! Muhammad invented Islam to counter Xtianity, so it wud not spread in the Middle East. Thus, KSA outright forbids Christianity. As Belloc classifies Islam began as a Christian heresy.

  • IF UR SO CERTAIN THAT UR CORRECT BOUT ISLAM THEN GO ... GO OUT IN THE WORLD AND UN-CONVERT MUSLIMS... lets see how succesful ull b

  • Look dude, I do not judge Islam by what it says but by what it does. It seems to be all ignorance, arrogance, death threats, violence resulting in bloodshed or softer violence like rioting & protests calling for murder. Islam is only held together by violence. If the "leaders" of the Muslim world gave every Muslim a chance to denounce Islam without retribution, Islam would fade like the Crescent Moon God worshiping cult that spawned it. Islam will not rule the world. It cannot even rule itself.

  • its not violence ,u havent studied islam properly, islam teaches kindness and peace , the prophet forbade fighting... check the hadith the prophet onli fought at times of war, the extremist are the ones bringing this violence - im not a supporter of it they hav gone astray , not the hole muslim nations fault same way as u cant blame all of humanity for scientology , conquest of makkah - our troops outnumbered those of makkah, the prophet cud hav orderd their death but no he left them.

  • Islam's main drawbacks are the rigidity of a dead prophet and his unchanging works. Quran 8:55 The worst BEASTS in Allah's sight are the non-Muslims. According to your Racist Quran. Dhimmi, anyone? You dont have to apologize for ur true believers. They cant be sent to hell for doing crimes as the prophet did himself. I think ur one of those in the Quran who made excuses to stay behind instead of slaying and being slain for Allah to spread Islam to the point that no other system ceases to exit.

  • no im not the ones hus stayed.. there is no JIHAD ( holy fighting) goin on at the moment ... its onli jihad if its totally in allahs cause and i dnt kno the exact criteria wer it is war for allah ... taliban - al-qaeda... are rong they are not doin jihad at all.. inshallah i await for the mahdi and then u will see truth

  • Just since 9/11, 40,000 ppl have died in Islam sponsored terrorist acts. Just look at the piles of dead bodies, that's the fruit of Islam. Innocent 'infidel' blood speaks louder than Muslim rhetoric & circular reasoning. Anyone with eyes can see the more dense the Muslim population in a country, the more chaos and death: Pakistan, Iran, Bosnia, Kosovo. We see women honor raped, burned alive for wearing lipstick, teenage boys hung until dead for being gay. Muslims kill those who criticize Islam.

  • like i sed thats the bad seeds from muslims that dnt hav too much knowledge and go to extreme lengths.. i dnt support terrorist acts.. its not part of islam

  • So far, nothing even vaguely resembling rebuttal from you. You dont have to be bred bourgeois to exalt the false consciousness that leads you, a working class man, to defend the system of control they exert on the masses via propaganda, censorship & repetition.

  • I'm well versed in the Quran. I have studied it. I know it. And for you to sit there and type 'there are no contradictions in the Quran' is like me sitting here typing 'there are no craters on the moon.' I've had my say, and I feel I've proven my point. By all means, worship away. But I choose not to worship or believe based on fact, reason, analysis and logic.

  • Nobody with common sense believes in any god. There's as much evidence for Horus, Brahma, Shamash, YHWH, Thor, Ba'al, Lucifer, Vaheguru, Triad, Jesus, Anahita, Minerva, Vishnu, Tinia, Tammuz, El, Wotan, Zeus, Osiris, Atargatis, Mithra, Jupiter, Apollo, Athena, and Poseidon as there is for Al-ilah (Allah / Hubul). Zero.

    Islam is nothing more than a lose plagiarism of Christianity and Judaism. Your religion is pathetic.

  • ch 79 .. vs 30 ... in arabic the word used to describe the shape of the earth is DAHAHA... this word specifically means the egg of an ostrich... look at an ostrich egg very spherical... the quran states this 1400 years ago.. scientiest onli discovered recently the earth is spherical..

    ch 21 vs 30 .. and we have made from water every living thing. will they not then believe? ... isnt is scientific fact that every biologically living thing is mostly made of water? quran states this 1400 years ago

  • Who has to be blamed for the wrongs done?

    From verses 35:8, 16:93, 74:31, 2:142, we learn that it is Allah who has to be blamed for all the misguidance. While other verses hold man himself responsible for the wrongs done (30:9, 4:79).

    (35:8)

    "Allah leaves stray whom He wills and guides whom He wills"

    OR

    (30:9)

    "It was not Allah who wronged them, but they wronged their own souls"

    CONTRADICTIONS!!!

  • why have the title of this clip in english if all we hear is: "balajaiere lalala heriejjjjtais gggggrrrrr  rrrrppp!!!

  • i m sory but can some 1 translate this in english but the true translation please.

  • I went back and re-read the comments of this dialog some comments are missing, some have been added later and the order of the comments has changed. making it difficult for someone to follow the dialog.

  • Who's Erasing my comments?  Sura 3:54 says that Allah "makara." The Arabic word makara means to deceive, The Arabic Bible in Genesis 3:1 uses the same word for satan. John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

  • Translations of the New Testament into Greek, then Latin, then Middle English, and then Modern English progressively lost more and more of the nuances of the Aramaic. Check it against the Bible and quran and see for yourself. (link) aramaicpeshitta(dot)com/Aramai­cNTtools/Khabouris/intro(dot)h­tm

  • The Khaburis Manuscript is a copy of a second century New Testament, which was written in approximately 165 AD.the Bishop certified (with his inverted signature and seal) that the Khaburis was a faithful copy of the second century original. Of particular interest, is the fact that the Khaburis is written entirely in Aramaic, the tongue of YShua, otherwise popularly known as Jesus, the Nazarite.

  • There are clear verses and not parables. Read again.

    Sura 3:55 says Followers of Jesus are superior than disbelievers about His death before being raised to God. Followers of Jesus are known as Christians (Acts 11:26). Muhammad said in Sura 3:3 Quran confirmed the truth of the Torah (Book of Moses) and the Injeel(Gospel Of Jesus).

    Sura 3:56 As for those who disbelieve (to follow Jesus) I shall chastise them with a heavy chastisement in the world and the Hereafter; and they will have no helpers.

  • Sura 3:55 (Khalifa) Thus, GOD said, "O Jesus, I am terminating your life, raising you to Me.."

    Sura 3:55 was written in the context of Sura 3:3 to confirm the Gospel (Injeel). The Gospel of Jesus in the Bible says Jesus was crucified and died for our sins. He was raised the third day triumphed over death.

    Followers of Jesus told in Sura 3:55 are superior than Muslims. Muslims cannot interpret scripture due to Sura 10:94 as Allah did not give the gift of interpretation of scripture to Muhammad.

  • (cont.)

    During the Second Gulf War, the Iraqi Information minister justified his false reports of Iraqi victories by quoting Sura 3:54, saying that "Allah was the best of deceivers". So this is how this Muslim applied this word and this verse.

  • There's two different interpretations of that verse. (Jeremiah 8:8) but as you know; The quran is based on the books of the New and old Testament only twisted with additions and deletions. Even Sura's missing. VISIT MY PAGE!!!Click on corrupted quran. Sura 3:54 says that Allah makara. The Arabic word makara means to deceive.The Arabic Bible in Genesis 3:1 uses the same word for Satan.

  • God sent down another revelation, the Quran, and promised to protect it from corruption.

    (1) There are misprints in both. Where is it clearly stated in the Bible that it is not the pure unchanged teaching of the Prophets?

    (2) you say your allah promises to protect the quran from corruption. I HAVE PROOF OF CORRUPTED QURANS, not just misspellings but total meaning changes.We will see if he kept his promise I will post on my site. going to do that know.

  • "Where is it clearly stated in the Bible that it is not the pure unchanged teaching of the Prophets?" 8 How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?

  • That's in Jeremiah ch. 8

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    I believe, and Islam teaches, that the revelation given to Abraham (scrolls), Moses (Torah), David (Zabur), and Jesus (Injil) were divine inspiration from God. Yet what you have today that you call the Bible is not the pure unchanged teachings of the prophets. This is stated clearly in the Bible and the Quran.

  • I would feel as though my child was lost and misguided, I would still love and pray for my child.

    How would you feel if your child became Christian? Would you kill the child?

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  • Ok, help me understand this. You distrust the Old Testament, and the New Testament but believe and quote the quran. How did the quran come to be?

  • I believe, and Islam teaches, that the revelation given to Abraham (scrolls), Moses (Torah), David (Zabur), and Jesus (Injil) were divine inspiration from God. Yet what you have today that you call the Bible is not the pure unchanged teachings of the prophets. This is stated clearly in the Bible and the Quran. God sent down another revelation, the Quran, and promised to protect it from corruption.

  • I agree there are things lost in translation, and false doctrine out there but, obviously Abraham, Moses, David, or Jesus were not around during the origination of the quran and you said the Old Testament or The New Testament cannot be trusted even though must research has been done to make the Bible more credit worthy than the quran.Again, HOW DID THE QURAN COME TO BE IN WRITTEN FORM FOR YOU TO READ.

  • The Quran was written and memorized during the life of Muhammad, by known scribes, not nearly a century after his death by nameless individuals. It was compiled into one manuscript by his companions shortly after his death, not by people who never met him four centuries later. Really, when it comes to textual criticism you cannot compare the Bible and the Quran.

  • One of the names of the Quran is "Al Furqan" meaning "The Criterion". It was sent as a criterion to distinguish what is the true word of God from what was man's corruption.

    The books before the Quran were sent to specific peoples and not for all mankind. Hence Jesus states he was only sent to Bani Israil. Then the last revelation, the Quran, was sent as a guide for all humanity. Therefore God protected in a way that he didn't do for the previous revelations.

  • well I beg to differ. Not wanting to argue please check my site for more info. I will send you proof of your misinformation via email and anyone else that wants it. Too lengthy to put here.

  • Oh, I understand you. You got confused. Isa. 9:6-7 is a prophesy of the coming messiah not Isaac. Those were two separate questions. But while were on it and you did not answer the question of how muhammed was entitled to the covenant of God given to Isaac. Then please, explain Isa.9:6-7.

  • The point is the Old Testament, where you get your information about the covenant, cant be trusted. The covenant was with Abraham and his offspring, including Ismail, except the wrongdoers:

    And (remember) when the Lord of tried him with (certain) Commands, which he fulfilled. He (Allâh) said (to him), "Verily, I am going to make you a leader (Prophet) of mankind." said, "And of my offspring (to make leaders)." (Allâh) said, "My covenant includes not wrongdoers." (Quran 2:124)

  • That should say "The Lord of Abraham"

  • How does that answer any of my questions?

  • (cont.) Jesus, the most famous Jew in history, He is even in the quran, and revered but lied about. Again by who's authority did muhammed recieve the covenant, to be entitled remember, he is of the uncovenanted seed? Jesus is seed of the covenant and explains how we receive it and all my previous questions in the New Testament.

  • (CONT.)Why also, does the qur'an read that Jesus has the second coming and will lead. Why not muhammed? Take note of this verse; "They [the Jews] are the heirs of Hell.... They will spare no pains to corrupt you. They desire nothing but your ruin. Their hatred is clear from what they say ... When evil befalls you they rejoice." Ibid. [Surah 111, v. 117-120]

  • (cont.)Gen 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

    Gen 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year. JESUS IS OF ISAAC. How then would muhammed receive the covenant, except through the CHRIST JESUS?

  • Unfortunately the Old Testament is not a reliable record concerning Ishmael and Issac.

  • That's it. That's your all inspired allah's wisdom? What about my other question's? What about the New Testament, written shortly after the Crucifixion, death, and resurrection of Jesus, by apostles whom witnessed the life of Jesus. Yet, you want me to believe the quran that was written about 700 years later, revealed by one man, who was not a witness to anything except, a voice in his head. Could it have been satan lying to him. I do not wish to hurt or offend you. Just wanted to get answers.

  • In Gen 16:16

    Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore him Ishmael.

    Then in Gen 21:5

    Abraham was a hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him.

    So, according to these verses, Ismail was 14 years older than Isaac.

    Then later in chapter 21, after the weaning of Isaac, it talks about Abraham sending Hagar and Ismail away. Now at this point, according to the earlier verses, Ismail should be at least 16 years old. In Biblical times, he would have been considered an adult. With me?

  • Yet in verses 14 and 15, he is described as an infant:

    14 And Abraham arose up early in the morning, and took bread and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away; and she departed, and strayed in the wilderness of Beer-sheba.

    15 And the water in the bottle was spent, and she cast the child under one of the shrubs.

    How could Hagar carry a 16 year old man on her shoulder and cast him under a shrub?

  • What is obvious is that this verse is describing a baby. So either the verse is wrong, or the sequence of events got mixed up. Either way, the point is that because of the mistakes in the story of Ishmael and Isaac the Bible cannot be trusted as an authentic source.

  • About the new testament, it's unfortunate that the authorship of many books are questionable. The only parts that we know for sure who the author was are the letters of Paul. The oldest, Mark, was written more than 70 years after Christ ANONYMOUSLY. Similarly, Hebrews is anonymous. Matthew and Luke were copied from Mark. All in Greek, which was not the language Jesus preached in.

  • New testament written shortly after Christ...?

    Can you please post the times and the full names of the authors please.

    Paul is the actual architect of modern day Christianity along with the Roman bishops of First and second Council of Nicaea. Paul was not a disciple of Christ and you will see that he was apposed by the super apostles and other Christian groups. 2 Corinthians

    He was living among Jesus, he was NEVER pointed out to be a successor.

  • (CONT.)

    Phl 2:11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    muhammad is supposed to be of Ishmael. Read this; Gen 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, [and] with his seed after him.

  • (cont) Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

    Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: (NOTICE "NAME" IS SINGULAR, REFERRING TO A TRINITY.

    Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;

  • (cont.)Isa 9:7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

  • Then can you explain this; Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

  • I see the comment from Jziadeh has been removed, how did you do that? And why did you remove it?

  • Thank you, Jziadeh, For confirming what I wrote,

    There is to be fewer Christians than Muslims.

    Matthew22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

  • I have a question for you, I hear all over the web, muslims are allowed to beat and raped women. (Meaning against her will she couldn't stop it.)WHY IS SHE PUNISHED. And why is pedophilia acceptable in islam! And don't tell me that's not true. I understand that it happens all over the world but, to accept it, that's disgusting.

  • Read What I wrote "THERE IS TO BE FEWER CHRISTIANS THAN MUSLIMS". That's one reason why Jesus, my Savior, is coming back. Read Revelation. And by the way, HE LIVES AND REIGNS FOREVER!!! HE doesn't die AGAIN after his second coming,as your FALSE docturine, the qur'an teaches. I do have my facts straight. Care to comment on the scripture, I posted below.

  • (Cont.)

    Philippians 2:10 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

    2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

    2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

    2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

  • (cont.) Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

    John14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

  • (cont.) 2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

  • There is to be fewer Christians than Muslims.

    Matthew22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

    2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

    11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ...

  • This could also be labeled to the Hindus, Buddhist.You also need to get your facts straight, for the last 2008 years there has been more Christians than Muslims.

    Muslims believe one day there will be all Muslims on this earth, before the end.

  • Pity it isn't in English.........

  • Where did you get that missionary translation? مكر

    (makara) doesn't mean deceptive. It's a verb, not an adjective and it means "plotted" or "schemed".

    YUSUFALI: And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.

    PICKTHAL: And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.

    SHAKIR: And they planned and Allah (also) planned, and Allah is the best of planners.

  • Well....the ages of Joseph and Mary have never been confirmed..and regardless, Joseph never slept with Mary. The historical age of consent in the USA is irrelevant. Even though marrying young girls was allowable in the ancient world...we have evolved. The required belief of muslims - that Mohammed's example is perfect, eternal, and to be imitated by all muslims - is no longer acceptable in this case by today's standards.

  • bigdon..when islamic clerics are teaching that sexual contact with infants/children is ok because mo did it,why would you think there would be more christian pedos than muslim deviants

    aisha was just 6yo when married...8years younger than what you quote

    re homosexuality...LEARN islamic history and you might see why you're promised "smooth pearly boys" to screw in whorehouse in sky

    arab saying "women for procreation,boys for recreation"

  • Aisha was betrothed at 6 and began to live with the Prophet at 9. If you lived in the 19th century in the US you could be legally married at 10, and no one would blame you. The enemies of Muhammad had much to say about his life, but he was never criticized for his marriage to Aisha until very modern times.

    About your homosexuality claim, it has no basis whatsoever. I have all the major books on Islamic history. Please tell me where to look.

    Arab saying that rhymes in English???

  • WRONG muham..he WAS LOATHED by many at the time because of the lowlife cruel specimen he was,but he MURDERED those whom spoke out/criticised

    and BECAUSE of what he was,to this very day millions of girls are denied rights/childhoods..FACT

    WRONG re homosexuality..the incidence is extreme in the ummah,and the disparity against the non muslim world is DUE TO UNHEALTHY REPRESSION whereby normal male/female contact is FORBIDDEN so children are easy prey!

  • Can you provide a historic reference for your claim? Even his enemies knew him to be a man of honor. Name one person who he murdered.

    What rights are muslim girls denied?

    Yes, homosexuality exists everywhere on earth. But it is forbidden in our religion. Those who commit homosexual acts are sinners like fornicators and adulterers. Is that the normal male/female interaction you are speaking of?

  • REPRESSION is unhealthy/very unnatural and WILL CAUSE implications...boys and girls growing up and mixing is NOT adultery

    explain WHY the incidence of homosexuality is higher in societies/communities where normal male to female interaction (not sinning you fool) is FORBIDDEN...deemed to be dirty/immoral

    muslim girls are denied the most basic human right of all, i.e. to be able to decide for themselves whether to even be muslim or not...same as most muslims, how sad

  • So your argument is that separation of the sexes leads to homosexuality. Do you have any statistics to prove your point?

    You cannot deny that mixing of the sexes leads to adultery/fornication, which leads to the spread of STDs, unwanted pregnancy, high abortion rates, and deviant sexual behavior.

    In America alone, up to 70% of all sexually active females have contracted an STD (mostly HPV). Thats why there are so many abstinence programs, yet when young men and women mix, sex WILL happen.

  • societies that FORBID premarital sex have higher "insensitivity/aggression/crim­e/violence/killing"..and LOOK at the ummah!!!

    When normal growing up/relationships are forbidden,then people with sexual desire WILL turn to what they can get away with...both male/female homosexuality is higher in the ummah.

    In Pakistan its certainly evident in males,Taliban have their boys,and Arabs have always liked boys!

  • Oh really? Have a look at crime statistics by country.

    Total crimes: USA #1, Saudi Arabia #48

    Not one muslim country in the top 30

    Total murders per capita: USA #5, Austrailia # 36, Saudi Arabia # 51

    Not one muslim country in the top 50

    Total rapes per capita: USA #1, Austrailia #4,

    Saudi Arabia #76, Not one muslim country in the top 30.

    Total burglaries per capita: USA #3, Austrailia #19, Saudi Arabia #64, only one muslim country in the top 30 (# 29)

    Where is the crime/violence/killing?

  • muham..re crime

    how many muslim females DARE to report being raped..yet we know its endemic..they get punished/beaten/ostracised even MURDERED for bringing shame, yep and in pakistan rape VICTIMS are imprisoned

    and in the west muslims are HUGELY overrepresented in prisons for all manner of crimes

    and do all muslim countries even keep records

    e.g. in several HONOUR KILLING is not even a crime!!! and neither is female mutilation

  • yet we know it's endimic...how, if it's not reported?

    Honor killings, another regional rather than religious problem, have no basis in Islam and also predate it.

    Look, miss, these are problems facing some Muslim countries, but not because of what Islam teaches.

    As for Muslims in American prisons, the reason why there are so many there is because MOST OF THEM CONVERT IN PRISON!!

  • the victims dont report it

    but they exist...a Dr in Karachi speaks out..in his hospital alone 100 per day,and he estimates onl 0.05% of rape is reported

    In Pakistan where rape VICTIMS are imprisoned,will rape be reported as a crime???

    wrong...its not the converts in prison which make up the massive disparity,its muslims whom go in as muslims, and there for all manner of crime

    AND rapists/pedophiles/wife beaters USE islam,mo's low behaviours,the koran,teachings as their defence in court

  • that's what u heard from the news spreaded by islam hater...all is fake...because they are AFRAID of the a TRUTH of ISLAM and QURAN

  • and I didnt say american prisons..I said western

    Look at the UK & Europe

    here we had an imam preaching in mosque that to cheat/lie/steal/defraud is quite ok when its again the "filthy infidel'

    The levels of welfare fraud,crimes of dishonesty,tax fraud (muslims dont like paying tax) are quite staggering...and in business its well known that dealing with muslims is a challenge due to dishonesty

  • that's what u heard from the news spreaded by islam hater...all is fake...because they are AFRAID of the a TRUTH of ISLAM and QURAN.away from e way of GOD and accompany them to be burnt in HELL with them on the judgement day untul forever..

  • muhamj..WHY do you think you're offered as a reward "smooth pearly boys" as a reward in the whorehouse in the sky lol

    read your history again...and look up PEDERASTY

    and go to the ME or Pakistan and see muslim males having a male/boy as a way of life

    people who go to the ME are shocked at what they see...males always hitting on them!

    also,due to repression, the incidence of lesbianism is higher too

  • I'm sorry miss. Pederasty is an ANCIENT GREEK practice, not an Islamic one. Although it remained in Asia Minor after its conquest by muslims, it is PURELY cultural and TOTALLY forbidden in Islam.

    By the way, I LIVE in the middle east and my children are 110 times safer here than my hometown, Washington DC. I have never been "hit" on and never saw it happen to anyone else.

  • pederasty may well be forbidden..but thats not to say its not endemic!!!

    The taliban have their boy,mullahs rip the bottoms of smallboys with impunity,iran has the highest transgender surgery in the world, in pakistan even married male like their handsome youth...so because YOUve not been hit on you say it doesnt happen!!

    are children safer in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia than Washington DC? are they

    do your children have guaranteed rights/benefits given by the west?

  • Again, miss, I never said it doesn't happen. Yet you are implying that the religion somehow promotes it. I cannot speak for the actions of individual muslims. I can only speak of what the religion teaches.

    I've never been to Pakistan or Afghanistan, but I will assume that children there are no more at risk than neighboring non muslim countries.

    I live in Saudi Arabia. I can tell you that my daughter can walk down the street safely any time of the day or night.

  • When I move into a new neighborhood, I don't have to check the sexual offender registry to see how many sick b@stards live nearby.

    Yes, my children have the rights/benefits given to us all by the Creator of west and the east.

  • dont give me pitiful indoctrinated junk that the rights/benefits your children have in the west are due to any "creator" LOL

    they're due to adults whom vote leaders in to make laws to suit the times...to protect citizens and to guarantee equality/education/health care/justice and human rights

    and are there millions of children in islamic hell holes whom have NONE of what your children have...are there? oh yes, millions

    so WHY dont they have them..re creator lol

  • "Smooth pearly boys"

    I assume you are referring to this verse:

    [And round about them will (serve) boys of everlasting youth. If you see them, you would think them scattered pearls.] (Al-Insan 76:19)

    This is simply describing part of the beauty of paradise. There is nothing sexual here. Only a sick mind conjure up a freudian interpretation of this verse.

    Have you been to the middle east yourself, or are you regurgitating someone elses garbage?

  • muhamj..circumcision is a pagan ritual, as is fasting...and they both happen in islam

    female circumcision predates islam, yet 100 mill.muslim girls are so mutilated due to commands of imams whom teach an intact girl is a DISGRACE...and recently Yemeni Govt tried to outlaw this barbarity but who stopped them...islamic leaders!!!

  • There are two types of female circumcision. The one that is most famous it the "pharaonic" type, where the entire clitoris is removed, and the "sunnah" type, where a small portion of the clitoral hood is removed, leaving the clitoris intact.

    The first type is totally forbidden, while there is some debate over the second type. It's the "Imams" who try to convince people to abandon the pharaonic type, yet it's entrenched in the culture especially in the East Africa, where the practice is common.

  • Imams do not teach that an intact girl is a disgrace. Where did you get that?

    My wife is from the horn of Africa so I'm fully aware of the issue. You are right to be appalled by the practice as am I, yet you are wrong infer that Islam promotes the practice.

    As for male circumcision, even if it was practiced before Islam, it is an Islamic practice. The  hygienic benefits are well known so I really don't see what the problem is here.

  • Imams DO TEACH an itanct girl is a disgrace...so dont tell me they dont! This is the reason WHY so many of your girls are mutilated/harmed for life

    Its nonsense to say that boys/girls cannot mix and be friends and be healthy young people...its islamic DISHONESTY that all will be screwing..its not true

    Sex will always happens..forbidden or not..and IS IT THE WORST CRIME IN THE WORLD when a couple make love?

    is it worse than wife beating,MURDERING apostates?

  • What Imam said this? When? It's not an Islamic issue. It's a predominately East African cultural problem which predates Islam. It also is a normal practice in Ethiopia, a Christian country!

    Come on, miss. You conveniently ignored all the social problems that occur as a result of pre-marital sex. Healthy? 70 percent of the sexually active population are walking around with diseases! Many of them without even being aware! Thats healthy???

  • when imams teach an intact girl is a DISGRACE/islamic leaders prevent a Govt outlawing this filth,and 100 mill.muslim girls mutilated dont tell me it has no connection with islam

    actually, healthy sex lives make for healthy well adjusted human beings ..FACT, and whats with the 70% with diseases???

    REPRESSION is unhealthy unnatural and causes all manner of implications/harms...FACT

    why do you think sexual deviancy is as it is in the ummah? you tell me

  • You keep repeating it but haven't shown any proof. I want to know who this imam is who teaches that intact girls are a disgrace.

    Actually, the US Centers for Disease Control predict that 80% of all sexually active women would have contracted HPV by the time they reach 50.  That's only one disease. So my figure was actually conservative.

  • you tell me

    WHAT health/mental health issues are caused by:

    -girls denied childhhoods,having babies BEFORE their bodies can cope and then being ostracised because of their smell when urine/faeces leaks out of the vagina

    -wife beating/enforced inequality

    -circumcision

    -people denied the right to choose whether to even be muslim or not,forced to pretend/living a lie and in fear when they cant/dont believe DUE TO islam penalties re non belief

    -children BEATEN for not praying properly

  • No it's a great thing for a couple to make love, if they are married. Our religion teaches that for a man to make love to his wife is a gift.

    I have seen many women beaten in my life, but never by a muslim. And although the rule for killing an apostate is there, I haven't heard about it being carried out in modern times.

    If this rule is what kept muslims from apostating, you would find many muslims leaving Islam as soon as they gain refuge in a secular society.

  • actually..there are many loving couples whove raised healthy loving well adjusted families,and they dont have marriage certificate

    do you call temp marriages loving..or prostitution ceremonies performed by imams

    do you think young girls given to old men without INFORMED consent in many islamic hell holes..without love,and for use/abuse/beatings regard sex as a gift???

    millions of muslim pretend..this is a fact, and even in the west they still FEAR even families knowing..how hideous

  • Yet we find the exact opposite. Muslims are fighting to retain their Islam and freedom to practice what you call oppression. And they are inviting others, successfully, so much so that it has become the fastest growing religion in the world. Why are all these people accepting a religion so oppressive?

  • when imams teach the already impoverished they must breed more little soldiers for allah..and when I see muslims in the west say they will outbreed us and take over, boasting sounds very weak

    3 out of 4 converts leave

    and remember muslims NEVER GOT THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE "and" you wouldnt have a clue as to the level of disbelief lol

    iran knows which is why they are proposing to KILL for non belief...keep control of the masses by fear eh