Evolution Ep1: Darwin's Dangerous Idea (7/11)

[Jestlow]

Would be a horrible way to die. Killed by a C*ck joke.

[peymaania]

One must love Victorian Pens Jokes.

[zzyzx0788]

Lol penis. Funny to laymen, funny to scientists.

[gooddarkjedi]

did you know that cute little girls are called in japan monkeys. while pervest men are called apes.

[celticschampions]

eyes eyes eyes cuz baby 2nite dj got us fallin' in love again

[nanderson1965]

Awesome work on the eye simulating tests!



[acerb45666555]

ps: include "Billy Stafford" and "Paul Bernardo" to the beastie list!

[acerb45666555]

are we apes? damn straight! actually, we, or rather, others of our species are more primitive than any furry tree dwelling ape! look up, "Chopper Reid". then look up "Ken Rex McElroy", and you all know about Hitler and Stalin! the list of beastie boys is endless!

[atchisrj1]

I don't mind being an ape. It's kind of cool. If we can learn one thing from evolution it's that we can change. We can become better then what we are now. And, that is really cool.

[Asgath]

@atchisrj1 - We aren't Apes, nor did we evolve from Apes. We evolved from a common ancestor. That is to say that Humans, apes and (If I remember rightly) Orangutangs each evolved from from the same point in the tree. Not actually from Apes :)

[atchisrj1]

@Asgath Good point. Although We are apes at least that is what Professor Dawkins has said. Granted yes, we are classified as Hominids but we are very much like apes. All one needs to do is watch what politicians say about each other during election time. It's just a couple of apes hurling feces at each other. Wouldn't you agree?

[Anonie324]

Uh, we ARE apes. One cannot outgrow their ancestry, we came from apes, (The last common ancestor with chimpanzees, undoubtedly an ape, was about 6 million years ago, NOT one of the first apes) so we still are apes right now.

[atchisrj1]

@Anonie324 Isn't that what I said?

[Anonie324]

Heh, it doesn't show that I was replying only to Asgath's comment, sorry for the confusion.

[blackshoehorn]

Homo sapiens are classified as both primates and apes.

[alienisuntverus]

Darwin better be carful, that turtle can fall down and kill itself.

[PunkCabaretFTW]

It would be interesting to think that maybe ... there are things that we still can't see because our eyes still have room to be refined. :)

[castiel18BNP]

that is awesome! I like that idea man, bravo

[SilkSwe]

In fact we know this is the case since we can only see a tiny bit of the whole electromagnetic spectrum. :)

[Valmarith]

That is true but tetracromatics have a mutation of the trait that causes near sightedness, it allows them to see some of the ultraviolent spectrum normally invisible to the human eye. As a consequence they often have excellent night vision.

[325982668]

lol if i could have lived to hear darwin speak the words "enormous coiled penis" I would have lived a good life.

[HarveyBirdmanTk421]

Even intelligent men still laugh at a good penis joke.

[terisian]

True words my man XD

[Drekoguk]

So it takes less faith to believe that an unsubstantiated intelligent designer poofed all of the diversity of life into existence with no known mechanisms at some unknown time?

I'll stick to observational reality.

[darthboa85]

I do not blame anyone who disagrees with me or calls me a fanatic but i think i need even more faith to believe that men came from apes and that all living things originate from bacteria.

[D31u5i0n]

"When the truth is that faith is nothing more then the deliberate suspension of disbelief it's an act of will it's not a state of grace, it's a state of choice because without evidence you got no reason to belief apart from your wiliness to belief, so why is that worldly of respect anymore then your wiliness to poke your self in the eye with a pencil."

--Pat Condell

[NemoUtopian]

more faith?it does not seem to take much in the way of faith at all to me,we have evidence and this theory explains it best.why should it be hard to understand that men share a common ancestor with apes?we have vast physical and genetic commonalities with them and have found a great many fossils,time dated with various methods of radiometric dating,that showcase the development.

[irishmauddib]

Maybe the reason you need faith is that you do not understand what the claim actually is first.

Nothing in the theory of evolution claims we came from apes. Rather both us AND apes came from something else, an ancestor.

Maybe if you take some time and read clearer what the claims actually are you can beleive the evidence in the real claim instead of needing faith to beleive something evolution never claimed.

Good look on your quest.

[alienisuntverus]

we didn't come from apes, we came from a common ancestor.

[freethink15]

we are apes!

[blacbraun]

Speak for Myself!

[blonda33]

@freethink15

[FiverBeyond]

Hate to disagree with you, but on the contrary... the common ancestor which we share with OTHER apes was also an ape. That's why we're all together in an ape family.

It would be more correct to say that we didn't descend from modern apes, but I get your point.

[darthboa85]

To even imagine that life could be created through random mutations is...

unimaginable. How could amino acid( the basic structure of DNA) mutate if we were to assume that the first life came from bacteria? It's just hard to take in. A verse in the bible, faith is holding on to the hope which is promised and believing in what is unseen. I might sound foolish to hold on to religion in the face of evolution but i rather be foolish to men and seen and faithful to God.

[Nature9355]

the mutations are random, but the selection is not. Did you actually watch the video, or did you just comment based off the title?

[NemoUtopian]

a great many people seem to have no trouble holding on to both religion and evolution,including ken miller who is in this series.you can try and make the issue about belief in god,but it sounds far more like you need to believe that genesis is a literal story instead of a metaphorical one.

[jimbokhan]

"darthboa85" go and take some biology classes...

when you said "..How could amino acid( the basic structure of DNA)..." I really LoLed, now I know why you don't understand evolution

xD

[darthboa85]

Perhaps it is possible for nature to select and create a creature that is suited to the environment but isn't it too much to ask for it to design an eye, body, language, organs and everything through random mutations? Given that our earth is only 5 billion years old and dinosaurs only came to being about 2.3 billion years ago, i couldn't imagine that in such a short time, random mutations could construct beings that had moral values, eyes and all.

[Faidros62]

darthboa85 - 5 (or rather about 4,5) billion years are a very, very, very long time. Such a time length should not be considered as "only".

When the dinosaurs came along the eyes where already well evolved and there has been a lot of time to evolve since thet time to.

Moral values I belive are a human invetions and a later phenomena that had a boost from the cultural revolution. However moral values are not as complicated to evolve as eyes. Pastors are inventing new ones all the time.

[mightyafrowhitey]

@Faidros62 "Moral values I belive are a human invetions and a later phenomena that had a boost from the cultural revolution..."

agreed.

[jvsears]

Good point -- I suppose I would alter my question and say, I want to know WHERE our sense of wonder in the majesty of the natural world comes from.

[opaquemiasma]

This "sense" comes from comprehension. Comprehension comes from our language that unifies ideas and uses perspective. Learning that Earth is 4 billion years is just words, but if you say that if all those years were compressed into one year, humans only showed up in the last piece of a second on dec. 31 and then if you stretched out that piece into a year we only started writing in the last few seconds of that year, then you get an idea of timescale, which other animals don't comprehend.

[mightyafrowhitey]

@jvsears what do you mean where does it come from? it comes from being conscious and intelligent enough to understand just a small fraction of the unspeakably complex and enormous wonder that is existence itself.

[jvsears]

Evolution -- what a mechanism! The bit about the eye is very interesting. However, I found the comment "nature can produce an eye without a designer" rather bold... Could evolution--on its own--really create the wonder, beauty, and order found in the world around us?

[deliwrek]

Absolutely! I think they described the process quite eloquently. A slight mutation in a species might have favored them in that it caused them to see slightly sharper which enabled them to evade predators more successively than their contemporaries. Thus, having a greater chance of survival, they passed that aberrant gene onto their offspring who in turn had that same advantage of evading predators. [...]

[deliwrek]

[...] Kind of like the mutation of some of the HIV viruses that allow them to withstand certain drugs. So over time, mutations such as these led to a perfected eye.

[deliwrek]

oops, I meant to say "successfully" rather than "successively".

[cryptographix]

:-] 5 stars

[Kabane52]

cool