John McCain: Health care

[Thurm2223]

It's simple. Every citizen is given the rights in the Constitution. It is up to THEMSELVES!!!! to EARN the other privilages in life.

[aviomaster]

--- WHEN somebody rich gets sick they come to America ,,, hahahaha

McCain be ready for hanging ,, American people are going to hang you ...

[mabbott4]

what i dont understand is why dont america have free health care? i english and england get free health care and have no worrys i just dont see how hard it is to have free health care?

[csmorgan]

your just plain stupid if you think its free, no one will every work for free, especially doctors who make more money than the majority of people

[mabbott4]

but the thing is though my health IS free in my country wait times take now more than a day or half a day and its paid through the tax payers money you've been watching too much Faux News my friend

[csmorgan]

exactly! why would I want to wait for healthcare when I have it and can use it whenever I want with no wati. How is your healthcare free if its paid through tax payers? Do you not pay your taxes? If not it would be free for you. I pay for healthcare and taxes so why the hell would I want to pay for other peoples healthcare especially illegal immigrants

[mabbott4]

so you'd rather pay 30K to have surgary? but the stuff mainstream news to know whats right and whats wrong its FREE!!! and i've never really waited long at all my mother got her hand kicked by a horse and she had her reconstructed surgery for free with no wait time at all either in america that would of costed 100k i would assume NHS FTW!!!

[Colin2k41]

because the democratsis USA think if you don't deserve medicine you don't get it. thats why universal healthcare sucks

[TeddyFilmz]

Have you learned nothing from when I verbally desecrated you? I live in Canada and social health care doesnt work like if you deserve it, you get it. That would then make Social Health care no better than privatized health care. Plus McCains a fool that knows nothing and cant do anything. So sit back and shut up.

[mabbott4]

not true my friend go check out the NHS and see my point i never pay for anything and its quick so you must be stupid to believe mainstream news bullshit

[po3jax]

I'm a college student who takes anti-epileptic pills monthly and has "school health insurance" which covers, $750 worth of perscriptions. Guess what happens when the $750 runs out? I have to pay around $500 for Keppra and $ for Lexapro. My parents are 61, and 69. One is unemployed looking for a job and has no insurance while to other is technically retired and has medicade. I cant ask my mom to help, and my dad helps out when he can.I'm getting a degree to better my life--WHICH INCLUDES HEALTH!

[csmorgan]

look for natural cures instead of depending on companies poisoning you with their medications

[po3jax]

Um, I pretty sure "natural cures" won't fix epilepsy. Maybe other than not to stress out (i.e yoga, meditation), and get a decent sleep, but some of that is inevitable. I'm a big stresser--which may the cause of my epilepsy

[Hdrock6]

I say lead by example! McCain has plenty of money he can opt-out of government provided health care and buy his own insurance like he expects the rest of us to do. While he's at it, he can stop drawing social security too. If he's so adamant about his position of smaller government and less bureaucracy then he needs to walk the talk and lead by example not just rhetoric. This is why I have no respect for the crap he spews because it's just that, crap.

[rusty2b]

Employees, not employers, should deduct health insurances cost.

Health care cost would be less wild if individuals held the purse strings on health care expenses.

Individuals would still band together to get a good deal and fairness from insurers.

Our current financial mess tracks back to Congress enabling FREDDIE MAC and FANNY MAE. 2.5 trillion of easy to write (no down payment, no income proof) mortgages since 2001.

Don't expect government arranged health care to be done right.

[EndTheEcho]

Drink the Kool-Aid much?

McCain's tax credit's wouldn't be tied to health care inflation, but general, so the value of his stupid plan would diminish each and every year.

Individuals banding together? Like we do on home insurance and car insurance? Now it sounds like you are smoking something, not just drinking the Kool-Aid.

What about pre-exisiting conditions? Did you know under a group plan (through employer) insurers can't deny adoptive children insurance because of those conditions?

[rusty2b]

Read what I wrote again. Don't be drinkin' the Kool-Aid.

The only thing that McCain an I agree on is that you should get a tax break when buying your own health insurance. I advocate moving the business's tax break over to the individual.

The $5K McCain deduction doesn't make sense. Just like the ATM Tax's fixed dollar thresholds don't make sense. Probably the only thing that makes sense about fixed $ thresholds is that congress men can understand them.

[littlefun22]

What a retarded loose cannon. I say fuck this man, and his whole shitty campaign. Stupid, lying hypocrite.

[rusty2b]

Great reasoning! Watch out for Obama and his previously cozy situation with a certain Illinois hospital.

[esCX4600]

John McCain is retarded

[StewardOfEarth]

When someone rich gets sick, they get world class care.

Those with less money get herded through the healthcare system like cattle.

[rusty2b]

Whens the last time you worked for free? Most people like to get paid for their work. Becoming a doctor is not easy.... People want to work for you if you've got money. Why do you think all those foreign doctors leave their home country, friends, and family to come over here??????

[StewardOfEarth]

I volunteer my time to make my community a better place...what is your point? My life is worth nothing in the healthcare system because I earn a working class salary?

[rusty2b]

I do many things to help make the community I'm in and those I visit a better place. Its interesting that the quality of life in our communities has always depended on this sort of effort. When a health care system blossoms out of this sort of community environment then I suppose good community involvement will have health care rewards.

[rusty2b]

Maybe all those foreign workers EMPLOYED in our health care system are not necessarily a part of our community here in the States. We've stole them from other communities abroad, from other good people. Why does our community steal away other community's valued individuals.. Becoming a health care professional is hard work. I think many individuals in our society don't want to make the effort. Don't forget health care includes long hours of work. Our community is LAZY.

[rusty2b]

My point is that our community does not produce enough resources, produce them efficiently enough, and with reasonable liability. The rich will always be able to rally better resources.

[StewardOfEarth]

So you think lazy people don't deserve healthcare? Maybe we can shoot them when they get sick.

[rusty2b]

I asked a Norwegian why is everyone not utilizing public assistance since it very generously provides for you. He told me that all the lazy Nords froze a long time ago.

Lazy individuals are deserving care. The least of us will never get the care available to an individual who has gathered the "promises of service" from many.

Money is actually a "promise of service". The promises are only good while there is faith that the promise receipts will be honored.

[rusty2b]

The rich guy and the poor guy breath the same air when out and about. It is so abundant that its free. Health care is not abundant and your arguing the highest level of health care should be afforded to all.

[StewardOfEarth]

...your arguing the highest level of health care should be afforded to all.

No. McCain said we have worldclass medical care. No we don't. The rich have the very best healthcare and the rest of us have awful healthcare or none at all. You might feel that's justified, but that doesn't change what it is. John McCain wants you to believe that all Americans will have access to the best healthcare with his $5000 tax credit. Not likely.

[rusty2b]

I agree that $5000 is not enough. Hard dollar limits won't work. ie: Alternate Minimum Tax.

Everyone should be given a deduction that fits their family size and is minimally equal to a better health care package. Taking the deduction away from companies so that the deduction can be compared to personal income and cancel the deduction if your income is upper percentile.

If your income is low enough you get a rebate sent to your health insurance company to cover your premium; like food stamps.

[StewardOfEarth]

This might work for young healthy people but what about those with pre-existing conditions. Are you advocating giving them enough money for indivial health insurance? What do you propose we do about those the insurance companies won't insure? Shoot them? Employer base healthcare deals with these issues, McCain's plan does not.

[rusty2b]

Congress can just tell the insurance companies that if you want to do business in the U.S. you have to take everyone who applies and their premium can be no more than a REASONABLE % above typical. Maybe the regulation stipulates financial hardship any other charge besides typical.

Insurance company's may want a method of distributing high cost individuals amongst themselves.

[rusty2b]

Your also going to see the typical policy's cost increase.

What I don't like about the insurance policy that everyone seems to want is that an accountant is involved in the transaction of your smallest health related billing. That is a luxury. Policy's are more economical if the policy holder pays the regular costs out of pocket; unless the point is subsidizing the policy holder which is the case with some individuals.

That accountant adds some real expense to your health policy.

[StewardOfEarth]

That increases the premiums for everyone. The supposed purpose of McCain's plan is to cut cost through competition. Government regulation (price setting) diminishes the free market.

And individual policies have more administrative costs than group policies. If I pay for my healthcare and expect reimbursement, that would cost more money than doctors billing the insurance company directly.

[rusty2b]

Changing the insurance companies admission rules raises everyone's premium by including everyone. Enticing individuals to try to keep some of their premium by selecting a plan that doesn't take care of all expenses will reduce premiums (decrease insurance company bureaucracy and outlays for health services) and focus individuals on getting the most health care service for each $ paid out of pocket.

[StewardOfEarth]

So what you really want is for government pay for everyone's premium? And we all get the same coverage? I thought you felt that quality healthcare was only for the wealthy and we don't have the resources to cover everyone. It would be better to shoot those with pre-existing conditions.

[rusty2b]

I think most individuals can pay their insurance premium. Those that are not capable financially will get assistance. Those that are wealthy will not get a tax deduction on their health care expense; catching this tax income depends on moving the health care deduction from companies to individuals.

[aviomaster]

DENNIS KUCINICH  2008 ... PRESIDENT

[Atheist2007]

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