Now all this argument about whether ninja's exist or not is stupid. Ninja's did exist, they didn't use nijato as far as we can tell. So nijato are historically inaccurate (that doesn't make them any less sharp and doesn't mean that they cannot be integrated into modern swordsmanship). The fact is even within japanese history,swords of different length, shape and curvature have gone in and out of fashion a number of times. So get over yourselves and enjoy the bloody sword.
Straight bladed, square tsuba, pointed kojiri, all black "ninjato" are a work of fiction and pop culture. That does not make them any less of a weapon...just not a historical one. Shikomizue can be either curved or straight. I own a meiji era muzori katana in shikomizue fittings, so I know they exist. As far as ninja swords: shikomizue, joto, shikomizensu, shinobigatana (undersized blade in full sized fittings) all existed. Blade curve comes from differential hardening (the clay coat and quench)
A straight, differentially hardened sword is more difficult to create traditionally, though modern methods and oil quenching has made it much easier. It would be absolutely rediculous to remove the tip of a sword to shorten it. All intentional suriage blades are shortened from the back. Ninja were highly trained and paid warriors of samurai class. Iga and Koga "ninja" were peasants who used guerilla tactics to drive occupying soldiers away. 1485ad A report was made on the incident and was (c)
later misrepresented in more modern entertainment venues. The Iga and Koga "Ninja Clans" never existed. The Iga and Koga warriors did. Dr. Hatsumi Soke is the master of Togakure Ryu, much of his teaching focusing on the taijutsu aspect. He is not a ninja, he follows, represents, and teaches a very old school used by the shinobi. He, himself, is a modern martial artist and a master of his style. Simply because I am of samurai lineage and practice Tatedo Ryu swordsmanship does not make me samurai.
Because he is head of Togakure Ryu does not make him ninja. Both classes were abolished. He is a master of Togakure Ryu and shinobi arts, but he cannot be a ninja as they, in the title of ninja/shinobi no longer exist. There. Clarity. (e)
He is th Osensai of ninjitsu. Its a martial art. I happen to practice it and ive seen him once before at my first exam. We like ninjitsu plain and simple. Its mostly used for selfdefense NOT compatition becouse theres too many ILLEGAL moves in it.
Ninjato are distinguished from katana by being shorter (quick killing over duelling) and in some cases, they are katana with the ends roughlt hewn off. they may also have been straight, used less in a slashing but more of a stabbing motion, and finally you cant just tell someone's an assassin because they carried a ninjato, because its hidden in a full length sheath, ir simply hidden away.
no im not just some ninja fanboy, this is from research i did quite a while ago.
it's pretty off. ninjato weren't straight you're confusing it with a shikomizue which could appear straight but actually did have sori. straight bladed swords were outdated by the time ninja emerged
because of most "claimed" ninjas (their existence not proven historically) were peasants according to known theories.
The best metals were used for the Samurai words, and since peasants were poor,
common metal was used instead.
Which means it is harder to make curved swords of good quality, leading to straight swords as a possibility (Note: possibility, there are no facts on the subject.)
sorry your "research" is wrong, its been proven many times that it's actually harder to produce a straight sword than a curved sword, theres no historical record of swords made of anything but steel from any period in which ninja were active.
ninja weren't peasants all ninja documents list ninja as having two or more names a sign of the samurai class. go to e-budo or martial talk or kutaki no mura and find people who make their livings doing real research refute all the peasant straight sword ninja myths
since the one I talked to said that curving stresses the steel harder, making it difficult to produce with lower grade steel, which may contain impurities, which can make the steel bend out of shape when hardened.
I choose to trust the people actually making swords for a living rather than the people buying them any day.
actually the curvature is a natural part of the forging process. from the way you're speaking you're not familiar with the construction of japanese swords especially using terms like "low grade steel" what exactly does that mean low carbon content? sword steel was sword steel in japan its a very specific type. but yea i trust professors of history and people who actually deal with the antique weapons and texts left behind by the people themselves
and yes modern swordsmiths are wrong, japanese swordsmiths who forge blades in the traditional japanese style have said the curvature of the blade isa a natural product of the steel, which anyone who knows basic metallurgy will say. you're sticking to myths steve hayes started in the 80s and retracted a few years ago
no thats not true ninjas did use ninjato which were straigh. the shikomizue were used as concealed weapons so that they can defend themselves when out in the streets
guess you've never seen a real shikomizue they have sori. theres not one historical straight bladed ninjato ever found or depicted try doing real research
i have seen a shikomizue. ninjatos are straight but the one im talking about are the modern ones which is what this guy has. the one back in the ninja days were straight compared to the other swords of that era.
ninja dont exist, what are you talking about of course they exist ever hears of masaaki hatsumi and yes there is such thing as a modern ninjato i know because ive seen them
soke is not a ninja he teaches ninjutsu, there are no landesknechts in germany but there are teachers of ringen am schwert. ninja existed before not anymore just because the information is still here doesn't mean the job. only delusional people follow that ideology. soke has said himself he is not a ninja
well mabey thats true but i choose not to believe it call me delusional but since i was a child ive dreamed of one day becomeing a ninja so id like to believe that there are still ninjas out there. you just dont know cuz...their ninjas
well someone who chooses not to believe the truth would be called delusional. go join the navy if you want to pretend to be a ninja then get a woken up to the real world
yes ill go join the navy and pretend to be a ninja. dont tell me to wake up in the real world, i am aware of the real world probably more aware of it than you are. just because you have never heard of any ninja existing today doen not mean there are none.
"If you can imagine it, you can achieve it: If you can dream it, you can become it."
i still prefer the ninja-to than a shorter katana or longer wakizashi. becuz its very versitile.. and you can hang it on your back and climb stuff with it.. so yeah..
Ninjatos have never been used in history. It wouldn't make sense, if they were common for Ninjas and everyone else wouldn't have then. People would notice very easily that you were a Ninja.
Although cool, the practical Ninjato/any other straight-bladed, square-tsuba "ninja sword" are actually historically inacurate. I have been fortunate engough to see historical examples in Iga.
Actually, I agree with you. The so called "Ninjato" is not a historical blade. However, there are a lot of people using it including some koryu school. The historical ninja sword was more in the Kodashi lenth, shorter than a katana, longer than a wakisashi
Err... Guys? Any of you noticed the sword is a ninjato, not a katana? That sword is for ninja, not samurai... But still, the ninjato I am used to truly are shorter... But dudes... stop the bitching, c'mon!
lol guys why all the hate? just becuse he is a bit big dose not mean you gotta hate like that just pointing that out,
antoly700 5 months ago
Spend less time chopping stuff on your porch and more time on the treadmill.
VideoGameBandit 9 months ago
lol
almostrandom1 10 months ago
OMFG a fat ninja!
Gmeriot 1 year ago
They did, and they did exist.
Frisbee119 2 years ago
Ostia!!pero si es boriano!!
UchihaSendoh 3 years ago
Now all this argument about whether ninja's exist or not is stupid. Ninja's did exist, they didn't use nijato as far as we can tell. So nijato are historically inaccurate (that doesn't make them any less sharp and doesn't mean that they cannot be integrated into modern swordsmanship). The fact is even within japanese history,swords of different length, shape and curvature have gone in and out of fashion a number of times. So get over yourselves and enjoy the bloody sword.
kantvelink 3 years ago
see the swords sharpness did really not matter. the ninja would find use of anything as a weapon, for everything is a weapon.
masterchijuan 3 years ago
*bow* *bow again* thank you for this i've had to deal with issue myself so again thank you for that insight on this.
DarkKokoro84 2 years ago
You really have nothing better to do than put others down do you?
Haku92292 3 years ago
Straight bladed, square tsuba, pointed kojiri, all black "ninjato" are a work of fiction and pop culture. That does not make them any less of a weapon...just not a historical one. Shikomizue can be either curved or straight. I own a meiji era muzori katana in shikomizue fittings, so I know they exist. As far as ninja swords: shikomizue, joto, shikomizensu, shinobigatana (undersized blade in full sized fittings) all existed. Blade curve comes from differential hardening (the clay coat and quench)
Hyoujinsama 3 years ago 4
A straight, differentially hardened sword is more difficult to create traditionally, though modern methods and oil quenching has made it much easier. It would be absolutely rediculous to remove the tip of a sword to shorten it. All intentional suriage blades are shortened from the back. Ninja were highly trained and paid warriors of samurai class. Iga and Koga "ninja" were peasants who used guerilla tactics to drive occupying soldiers away. 1485ad A report was made on the incident and was (c)
Hyoujinsama 3 years ago
later misrepresented in more modern entertainment venues. The Iga and Koga "Ninja Clans" never existed. The Iga and Koga warriors did. Dr. Hatsumi Soke is the master of Togakure Ryu, much of his teaching focusing on the taijutsu aspect. He is not a ninja, he follows, represents, and teaches a very old school used by the shinobi. He, himself, is a modern martial artist and a master of his style. Simply because I am of samurai lineage and practice Tatedo Ryu swordsmanship does not make me samurai.
Hyoujinsama 3 years ago
Because he is head of Togakure Ryu does not make him ninja. Both classes were abolished. He is a master of Togakure Ryu and shinobi arts, but he cannot be a ninja as they, in the title of ninja/shinobi no longer exist. There. Clarity. (e)
Hyoujinsama 3 years ago
He is th Osensai of ninjitsu. Its a martial art. I happen to practice it and ive seen him once before at my first exam. We like ninjitsu plain and simple. Its mostly used for selfdefense NOT compatition becouse theres too many ILLEGAL moves in it.
Tortuganater 3 years ago
just because you cant find it doesnt mean its not there
sign989 3 years ago 4
FAIL. wtf u not ninja....
omg1836 3 years ago
huh? :|
ionfreak93 4 years ago
The style is quite alike our's in Nami School. Could you write what countey does your school situated
TestamentEX 4 years ago
Ninjato are distinguished from katana by being shorter (quick killing over duelling) and in some cases, they are katana with the ends roughlt hewn off. they may also have been straight, used less in a slashing but more of a stabbing motion, and finally you cant just tell someone's an assassin because they carried a ninjato, because its hidden in a full length sheath, ir simply hidden away.
no im not just some ninja fanboy, this is from research i did quite a while ago.
ubersum1 4 years ago
it's pretty off. ninjato weren't straight you're confusing it with a shikomizue which could appear straight but actually did have sori. straight bladed swords were outdated by the time ninja emerged
scottbaioisdead 4 years ago
Actually, according to my own research,
straight blades are actually probable,
because of most "claimed" ninjas (their existence not proven historically) were peasants according to known theories.
The best metals were used for the Samurai words, and since peasants were poor,
common metal was used instead.
Which means it is harder to make curved swords of good quality, leading to straight swords as a possibility (Note: possibility, there are no facts on the subject.)
hean8209 4 years ago
sorry your "research" is wrong, its been proven many times that it's actually harder to produce a straight sword than a curved sword, theres no historical record of swords made of anything but steel from any period in which ninja were active.
scottbaioisdead 4 years ago
ninja weren't peasants all ninja documents list ninja as having two or more names a sign of the samurai class. go to e-budo or martial talk or kutaki no mura and find people who make their livings doing real research refute all the peasant straight sword ninja myths
scottbaioisdead 4 years ago
Well, I guess modern sword smiths are wrong then,
since the one I talked to said that curving stresses the steel harder, making it difficult to produce with lower grade steel, which may contain impurities, which can make the steel bend out of shape when hardened.
I choose to trust the people actually making swords for a living rather than the people buying them any day.
You are free to choose otherwise, of course.
hean8209 4 years ago
actually the curvature is a natural part of the forging process. from the way you're speaking you're not familiar with the construction of japanese swords especially using terms like "low grade steel" what exactly does that mean low carbon content? sword steel was sword steel in japan its a very specific type. but yea i trust professors of history and people who actually deal with the antique weapons and texts left behind by the people themselves
scottbaioisdead 4 years ago
and yes modern swordsmiths are wrong, japanese swordsmiths who forge blades in the traditional japanese style have said the curvature of the blade isa a natural product of the steel, which anyone who knows basic metallurgy will say. you're sticking to myths steve hayes started in the 80s and retracted a few years ago
scottbaioisdead 4 years ago
no thats not true ninjas did use ninjato which were straigh. the shikomizue were used as concealed weapons so that they can defend themselves when out in the streets
sign989 3 years ago
guess you've never seen a real shikomizue they have sori. theres not one historical straight bladed ninjato ever found or depicted try doing real research
scottbaioisdead 3 years ago
i have seen a shikomizue. ninjatos are straight but the one im talking about are the modern ones which is what this guy has. the one back in the ninja days were straight compared to the other swords of that era.
sign989 3 years ago
theres no such thing as a modern ninjato since ninja don't exist, and i said you've never seen a real shikomizue
scottbaioisdead 3 years ago
ninja dont exist, what are you talking about of course they exist ever hears of masaaki hatsumi and yes there is such thing as a modern ninjato i know because ive seen them
sign989 3 years ago
soke is not a ninja he teaches ninjutsu, there are no landesknechts in germany but there are teachers of ringen am schwert. ninja existed before not anymore just because the information is still here doesn't mean the job. only delusional people follow that ideology. soke has said himself he is not a ninja
scottbaioisdead 3 years ago
well mabey thats true but i choose not to believe it call me delusional but since i was a child ive dreamed of one day becomeing a ninja so id like to believe that there are still ninjas out there. you just dont know cuz...their ninjas
sign989 3 years ago
well someone who chooses not to believe the truth would be called delusional. go join the navy if you want to pretend to be a ninja then get a woken up to the real world
scottbaioisdead 3 years ago
yes ill go join the navy and pretend to be a ninja. dont tell me to wake up in the real world, i am aware of the real world probably more aware of it than you are. just because you have never heard of any ninja existing today doen not mean there are none.
"If you can imagine it, you can achieve it: If you can dream it, you can become it."
sign989 3 years ago 2
ninja with ninja ken cuttin stuff = nice
iybib 4 years ago
i still prefer the ninja-to than a shorter katana or longer wakizashi. becuz its very versitile.. and you can hang it on your back and climb stuff with it.. so yeah..
ionfreak93 4 years ago
good kango gassho no kamae:P
reapermaycry 4 years ago
Ninjatos have never been used in history. It wouldn't make sense, if they were common for Ninjas and everyone else wouldn't have then. People would notice very easily that you were a Ninja.
Doyakusha 4 years ago
It looks to me like a chokuto. The modern ninjato was based on a chokuto like design. All Hollywood's doing really.
DrkRonin03 4 years ago
chokuto dont have tsubo thats a ninjato
nebuwolves 4 years ago
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daikagetora 4 years ago
Although cool, the practical Ninjato/any other straight-bladed, square-tsuba "ninja sword" are actually historically inacurate. I have been fortunate engough to see historical examples in Iga.
hangfeatphil 4 years ago
Actually, I agree with you. The so called "Ninjato" is not a historical blade. However, there are a lot of people using it including some koryu school. The historical ninja sword was more in the Kodashi lenth, shorter than a katana, longer than a wakisashi
daikagetora 4 years ago
@daikagetora Well the square guard and straight blade was for many ashigaru as well so the word did really exist
jackvenomkills 8 months ago
Err... Guys? Any of you noticed the sword is a ninjato, not a katana? That sword is for ninja, not samurai... But still, the ninjato I am used to truly are shorter... But dudes... stop the bitching, c'mon!
Kiarj 4 years ago