That looks like a really interesting exercise!!! How much weight should I actually use? Because I experienced my Jerk is pretty bad (my best Clean and Jerk is 130kg, but the clean is WAYYYY easier than the jerk!!!). So if I do this exercise with for example 150kg 3x3 would this bring me something? :)
Would appreciate if you can help me with this question.
Yea, just a little assistance exercise. Thats a good question, its difficult to say, i think the biggest consideration is the fact that the jerk isn't really executed slowely, so doing really heavy weights CAN be unnnessesary, that isnt to say that heavy dips are bad, they can be very useful. i think it depends on your specific needs and requirements.
hmm yes perhaps, you're english is fine! what is the problem with your jerk exactly?
@mikeyburger1 My problem is, that I have strong legs but my jerk is not explosive, so have problems accelerating the weight! I probably make a video today of my clean and jerk so you can watch it if you want :)
hmm sounds to me that you could do with some more "high power" exercises, very usefull particually in you're case... if done correctly, which is the hardest bit, lots of power jerks, push press, power cleans and snatch would be good ;)
Thankyou :) My best FRONT derack to my knowledge is 260 kg... sometimes just heavy loading can be benefficial, but i also do light speed stuff as well :)
You will benefit more from doing the complete ROM. I believe there is no point in doing exercises like this at your current level. But I know you are young and think it is really cool to lift those heavy weights. I was like it myself when I was younger. I doubt you will listen to this advice, but at least I tried. It is not to bash you, and I wish you the best with the continued training. Please do not defend yourself, just read my opinion. :)
@kraftsportNO It's useful to prepare his body for heavier ways to come in the future, doing that he is also helping to increase his overall strenght, so it is basically like a lil cheat to his own body. up, up, X, right, O, O, left, square, r1, O and fatality
@Yalashaska Hard to argue with keyboard warriors who only squat to get on and off the couch while playing Xbox. I did not say it was of no use to him, but methods like these should be used sparingly. :)
@kraftsportNO i think this is more like when you prepeare to a heavy overhead press that you overload the bar, hold it for a second and then deloaded it to make the press. In my bench training i do high lockouts with 160kg+ for 1 rep and just hold it for a second. This rom is mabe 5cm but it helps my overall bench press.
@tlast2O12dude That's another principle, supramaximal loading. It can give some effect immediately after because your CNS is primed to a heavier load. It can also be used at other times, but it is an exotic technique that should not be overdone. And that is the key point, many youngsters do 1/4th of the ROM with insane amounts of weights and do not do any proper training, I am not saying this is the case here, but it is very common for young and inexperienced lifters to love heavy loads.
@kraftsportNO Not everybody is a stupid keyboard warrior in youtube you stupid fuck, if I dont have any training videos doesnt mean shit, believe it or not Im a graduated personal trainer who have been training and working out since 15 yo and I can front squat 160 kg and back squat 210 and if i can't squat bigger than that it is because before i was suffering a freaking pain on my knees bacuase i had patella alta, now Im healthier and training on my strength 5 days a week, you asshole
@kraftsportNO Anyways, good for you, I can tell you don't have any single friend or anybody to film you, that tells a lot. Keep living on your youtube world, so you can show your vids to all the strangers there.Lol sorry but no vids and it didn't happen.
There is a specific reason for doing this exercise, that is correct, partly because I cant squat, mainly the purpose of this is to develop strength in the dipping motion of the jerk - as stated, as well as concentrating strongly on form and awareness of where the centre of gravity is as well as my own... so positioning is just as important, also considering this is NOT a squat, I don't consider 200 kgs very heavy, so you are correct... most people just think I'm f*cking around which is apparent
@kraftsportNO you are wrong, the top chinese weightlifters use this technique all the time after they are trained of courses, it helps prepare them for the dip and drive for the jerk. no offense but you are a powerlifter who is trying to give advice to an olympic lifter here, you front squat with your arms cross and you deadlift the sumo way. you are power lifting styled and not qualified to comment on mikey's olympic lifting
@olylifter69kg Those you refer to are advanced lifters. :) That's entirely something different. :) Every technique has its place. For young lifters full ROM is advisable imho. :)
@olylifter69kg I think some of you missedt the point. :) The point is that methods like depicted in this video should be used not so often for a lifter that is not advanced. It occur to me that Mikey likes to lift superheavy a lot, like many young lifters do. I did it myself. The time is better used doing the actual olympic lifts, or full front squats or back squats, which I am sure he does most of the time. Of course I am qualified to state my opinion, like everyone else. :)
I agree I am NOT an advanced lifter, however I am Not performing this exercise very often at all, this was most suitable at the time however, and if you read my other comments etc, I explain why I am doing it, But I appreciate your point.
And actually, i don't lift superheavy all the time, my workouts very greatly, but it depends on the exercise, 200 kgs is not heavy when you consider what Im doing, I would say 250 kg is "SUPERHEAVY" for this specific exercise. This is all about handeling et
@mikeyburger1 As long as you do not do it too often, you're all set. :) The point was that some youngsters do this all the time, ie. doing quarter squats with 440lbs, and yet cannot squat it once ATG. I see it is different with you, so good on you. Keep up the good work!
I'm a coach, don't worry, I am ALWAYS LEARNING THOUGH, and you are correct I have seen that too often, I do spend a lot of time doing the very oposite to this, occasionally de racks and core strength exercises up to 320 kgs I've done, however frequent use is VERY bad for your lifting.
Thankyou for understanding... also note this isn't a squat at all, the positioning is different.
@mikeyburger1 Of course this is not a squat. If you see in gyms all over the country. Youngsters let their ego decide and they lift too heavy weight a lot of the time. As a weightlifter, you are smarter than that. Good on you. Keep it up!
Oh yes I see it all the time, tragic isn't it? as well as damaging there knees, reduced flexibility and all sorts. Yea I was talking about the positioning :). Thankyou, you too! Please ask me if you have any concerns or worries about either myself or yourself
Thankyou, I just need to control my temper I think. Anyway I have made a Q&A section on my page, if you have any questions about me I will put them on there
Thankyou, I have VERY good reason for this... just seems some people can't read or understand very well, and assume the obvious... but it is also true handeling heavier weights IS benefficial if done correctly.
That looks like a really interesting exercise!!! How much weight should I actually use? Because I experienced my Jerk is pretty bad (my best Clean and Jerk is 130kg, but the clean is WAYYYY easier than the jerk!!!). So if I do this exercise with for example 150kg 3x3 would this bring me something? :)
Would appreciate if you can help me with this question.
Sorry for the bad english!!!
youdontfsckwithme 1 year ago
Yea, just a little assistance exercise. Thats a good question, its difficult to say, i think the biggest consideration is the fact that the jerk isn't really executed slowely, so doing really heavy weights CAN be unnnessesary, that isnt to say that heavy dips are bad, they can be very useful. i think it depends on your specific needs and requirements.
hmm yes perhaps, you're english is fine! what is the problem with your jerk exactly?
mikeyburger1 1 year ago
@mikeyburger1 My problem is, that I have strong legs but my jerk is not explosive, so have problems accelerating the weight! I probably make a video today of my clean and jerk so you can watch it if you want :)
youdontfsckwithme 1 year ago
hmm sounds to me that you could do with some more "high power" exercises, very usefull particually in you're case... if done correctly, which is the hardest bit, lots of power jerks, push press, power cleans and snatch would be good ;)
mikeyburger1 1 year ago
good work that is a lot of weight to even unrack and hold!
shootingman99 1 year ago
Thankyou :) My best FRONT derack to my knowledge is 260 kg... sometimes just heavy loading can be benefficial, but i also do light speed stuff as well :)
mikeyburger1 1 year ago
super fast dude!
tlast2O12dude 1 year ago
You will benefit more from doing the complete ROM. I believe there is no point in doing exercises like this at your current level. But I know you are young and think it is really cool to lift those heavy weights. I was like it myself when I was younger. I doubt you will listen to this advice, but at least I tried. It is not to bash you, and I wish you the best with the continued training. Please do not defend yourself, just read my opinion. :)
kraftsportNO 1 year ago
@kraftsportNO It's useful to prepare his body for heavier ways to come in the future, doing that he is also helping to increase his overall strenght, so it is basically like a lil cheat to his own body. up, up, X, right, O, O, left, square, r1, O and fatality
Yalashaska 1 year ago
@Yalashaska Hard to argue with keyboard warriors who only squat to get on and off the couch while playing Xbox. I did not say it was of no use to him, but methods like these should be used sparingly. :)
kraftsportNO 1 year ago
@kraftsportNO i think this is more like when you prepeare to a heavy overhead press that you overload the bar, hold it for a second and then deloaded it to make the press. In my bench training i do high lockouts with 160kg+ for 1 rep and just hold it for a second. This rom is mabe 5cm but it helps my overall bench press.
tlast2O12dude 1 year ago
@tlast2O12dude That's another principle, supramaximal loading. It can give some effect immediately after because your CNS is primed to a heavier load. It can also be used at other times, but it is an exotic technique that should not be overdone. And that is the key point, many youngsters do 1/4th of the ROM with insane amounts of weights and do not do any proper training, I am not saying this is the case here, but it is very common for young and inexperienced lifters to love heavy loads.
kraftsportNO 1 year ago
That is correct, and is the reason it is not overdone, But to not use it is also a disadvantage.
mikeyburger1 1 year ago
Check out some of my comments, they may answer questions you may have
mikeyburger1 1 year ago
Yes it has that principle, there are several specific reasons why I did this.
mikeyburger1 1 year ago
@kraftsportNO Not everybody is a stupid keyboard warrior in youtube you stupid fuck, if I dont have any training videos doesnt mean shit, believe it or not Im a graduated personal trainer who have been training and working out since 15 yo and I can front squat 160 kg and back squat 210 and if i can't squat bigger than that it is because before i was suffering a freaking pain on my knees bacuase i had patella alta, now Im healthier and training on my strength 5 days a week, you asshole
Yalashaska 1 year ago
@Yalashaska LOL, nice reply Mr.keyboardwarrior. :) On youtube it is all about videos. No vids and it didn't happen. ;)
kraftsportNO 1 year ago
@kraftsportNO Anyways, good for you, I can tell you don't have any single friend or anybody to film you, that tells a lot. Keep living on your youtube world, so you can show your vids to all the strangers there.Lol sorry but no vids and it didn't happen.
Yalashaska 1 year ago
@Yalashaska LOL. You're one angry young man. :) Have a nice day my friend! :)
kraftsportNO 1 year ago
@kraftsportNO I didn't curse there :) <----- stupid icon
Yalashaska 1 year ago
@Yalashaska No, you didn't good on you. I bet you curse at your Xbox though. ;)
kraftsportNO 1 year ago
@kraftsportNO I don't have any xbox vids, so there it goes your "no vids" theory, smart man
Yalashaska 1 year ago
@Yalashaska LOL. :)
kraftsportNO 1 year ago
There is a specific reason for doing this exercise, that is correct, partly because I cant squat, mainly the purpose of this is to develop strength in the dipping motion of the jerk - as stated, as well as concentrating strongly on form and awareness of where the centre of gravity is as well as my own... so positioning is just as important, also considering this is NOT a squat, I don't consider 200 kgs very heavy, so you are correct... most people just think I'm f*cking around which is apparent
mikeyburger1 1 year ago
In the comments made here
mikeyburger1 1 year ago
@kraftsportNO you are wrong, the top chinese weightlifters use this technique all the time after they are trained of courses, it helps prepare them for the dip and drive for the jerk. no offense but you are a powerlifter who is trying to give advice to an olympic lifter here, you front squat with your arms cross and you deadlift the sumo way. you are power lifting styled and not qualified to comment on mikey's olympic lifting
olylifter69kg 1 year ago
@olylifter69kg Those you refer to are advanced lifters. :) That's entirely something different. :) Every technique has its place. For young lifters full ROM is advisable imho. :)
kraftsportNO 1 year ago
@olylifter69kg I think some of you missedt the point. :) The point is that methods like depicted in this video should be used not so often for a lifter that is not advanced. It occur to me that Mikey likes to lift superheavy a lot, like many young lifters do. I did it myself. The time is better used doing the actual olympic lifts, or full front squats or back squats, which I am sure he does most of the time. Of course I am qualified to state my opinion, like everyone else. :)
kraftsportNO 1 year ago
I agree I am NOT an advanced lifter, however I am Not performing this exercise very often at all, this was most suitable at the time however, and if you read my other comments etc, I explain why I am doing it, But I appreciate your point.
And actually, i don't lift superheavy all the time, my workouts very greatly, but it depends on the exercise, 200 kgs is not heavy when you consider what Im doing, I would say 250 kg is "SUPERHEAVY" for this specific exercise. This is all about handeling et
mikeyburger1 1 year ago
@mikeyburger1 As long as you do not do it too often, you're all set. :) The point was that some youngsters do this all the time, ie. doing quarter squats with 440lbs, and yet cannot squat it once ATG. I see it is different with you, so good on you. Keep up the good work!
kraftsportNO 1 year ago
I'm a coach, don't worry, I am ALWAYS LEARNING THOUGH, and you are correct I have seen that too often, I do spend a lot of time doing the very oposite to this, occasionally de racks and core strength exercises up to 320 kgs I've done, however frequent use is VERY bad for your lifting.
Thankyou for understanding... also note this isn't a squat at all, the positioning is different.
mikeyburger1 1 year ago
@mikeyburger1 Of course this is not a squat. If you see in gyms all over the country. Youngsters let their ego decide and they lift too heavy weight a lot of the time. As a weightlifter, you are smarter than that. Good on you. Keep it up!
kraftsportNO 1 year ago
Oh yes I see it all the time, tragic isn't it? as well as damaging there knees, reduced flexibility and all sorts. Yea I was talking about the positioning :). Thankyou, you too! Please ask me if you have any concerns or worries about either myself or yourself
Mike
mikeyburger1 1 year ago
@mikeyburger1 With your attitude, you're gonna become a good lifter. Many your age refuse to listen to others. :) Have a nice day!
kraftsportNO 1 year ago
Thankyou, I just need to control my temper I think. Anyway I have made a Q&A section on my page, if you have any questions about me I will put them on there
mikeyburger1 1 year ago
Thankyou, I have VERY good reason for this... just seems some people can't read or understand very well, and assume the obvious... but it is also true handeling heavier weights IS benefficial if done correctly.
mikeyburger1 1 year ago
There is a very valid reason for this exercise, and yes I could have done 250 kg at this exercise, but that is not the point in what I'm doing....
Can you explain your point a little more precisely?
mikeyburger1 1 year ago