I gotta agree with Ben Stein on this one. He is being much more open minded than both O'Reilly and Maher. O'Reilly just wants to argue against the left and Maher just wants to argue with the right. At least Stein is trying to find some common ground by looking at the facts.
It's funny that O'Riley mocks the secular authorities. The same secular authorities that allowed catholics the freedom to prosper in a very protestant country.
it takes time. the pen that bill is holding started with carving/paintng on the walls. than a feather with ink on the side while writing on expensive paper. now, a modern pen/paper are sold in packs and for cheap. even though science can't expalin how it all began (big bang), when our technology get's better that question will be answered
We are not built to understand the true dynamics of the universe....it's like dogs trying to understanding algebra. Religion evolved out of ignorance and fear.
Funny ! Ben Stein...religion is the institution that wants to shut down objective emperical observation. Becuase a theory isn't perfect...doesn't mean an invisible man in the sky is responsible. Religion is the suspension of all critical thought becuase all the answers are laid out for us in the bible...stop thinking and read the bible. Fear drives hipocracy in the simple religious mind.
Religious people claim they know WHO and WHAT created the universe, not just any higher power. Knowing who and what created the universe is delusional nonsense ! Bill you pinhead !
Such a weak theory? It a very strong theory, YES there are holes, but the evidence supporting Evolution is astounding. Also, Evolution never mentions anything about a god or gods, it is about diversity of life and where life on EARTH began, not life in the Universe.
Ben Stein is either very stupid or wilfully bullshitting. Probably both actually.
Evolution has got nothing to do with how life was created. It's about the diversity of life. As for the 'lightning striking a mud puddle' thing - who the fuck said that? Spaz.
@Uushilumbu79 you very clearly did not understand my post, but that's OK. the problem starts when you extrapolate incorrectly, then feel that you've enough between your ears to pass sound judgment and act. re-view the vid and then examine my response using the information presented in the vid. if you still think my response was borne of fact or truth or belief, then you've some misfiring "higher level" abilities. also, do please read other responses from the same time period. thx?
Why can't we just move the scientific argument from evolution (a rather undeniable fact regarding the progression of life forms) to ---- First defining just what a living thing is, and how it went from "not life" to "life"?
Any scientist will tell you, if something not alive, somehow went "poof now I have DNA" and all life as we know it has DNA - then it had help. The theories strictly about how life began are still full of questions. I want kids to lean how to spot BS, THATS what is missing.
It is hard to believe that O'Reilley & Stein would actually go on National TV and make such uneducated statements regarding science. It's okay to not be an expert on science but if you go on TV and speak on the subject, you had better at least know what you are talking about. Embarrassing !!!
Idiot #1 complains about idoit #2 about freedom of speech & assert their unprovable BS as something we should teach our children as being true. It's not a freedom of speech problem its a freedom from bad logic, reasoning, and asserting information rather than proving it. Sorry Bill Sorry Ben just because you put your fingers in our ears whenever someone talks outside of your "beliefs" doesn't mean they are attacking you. Go on believe in unprovable theories just don't force it on our children.
what the hell was this? this is hardly what I would call news, it's just two guys confirming what they already think is true and badmouthing everybody else
Wait a second...in Expelled, Ben Stein argued that intelligent design was a scientific not a religious issue, and yet in this interview he argues that a belief in god is now relevant (even though Einstein was an atheist).
Evolution doesn't seek to explain abiogenesis (how life began), it only seeks to explain how life evolved once it was already present. How life actually began is an entirely different issue concerning physics and chemistry and has no bearing on the credibility of evolution.
@jessiessica Very well put. Typical of theists to try and muddy up the argument as they are unable to put forth a logical educated opinion on the subject
@jessiessica You're right in the beginning of the sense of the theory, but the theory that evolution began life HAS been adopted, it just never was so by Darwin himself. The scientific community does today imply that evolution began life, which was not a part of the original theory.
@Uushilumbu79 Yes, but the point Stein misses (or more likely ignores) is that even though there had to be a beginning of life, evolution isn't the field of study that relates to it. That's what abiogenesis is for.
Good grief. Science cannot acknowledge the super-natural because it cannot be tested or observed in a controlled environment. That goes against the very foundations of the scientific method. Saying that god or an intelligence did it doesn't answer any questions and there can be nothing gained from that. That isn't learning, or seeking truth.
Ben Stein is right on one point; the First Amendment gives us the freedom to say what we want (slander not included), and this freedom includes the right to vocalize whatever idiotic drivel that might pop into his little pea brain.
Before I saw him ranting about religion on YouTube, I thought he was a pretty good commentator on economics on "CBS Sunday Morning," but now I question his basic intelligence. It makes me doubt the accuracy of anything that comes out of his mouth.
Sorry, but not good enough. The Bible is not a science book, nor is it "Physics for Dummys." Its purpose is not to explain the laws of science to arrogant, Christian bashing atheist. The Bible was written in a different time for far less sophisticated people than yourself apparently. Jesus spoke in parables for a reason. Perhaps some of the Bible is written in the same manner. I really don't know, and I'm not going to pretend to. However, its purpose is clear, and its message has shown to true.
You have found ironclad evidence that disproves the existence of God? That's interesting, not to mention bold. I wasn't aware this existed; please share. Friend, my comment was not to offend but rather to express my thoughts on the matter. If you choose to go by way of modern over what you consider ancient, then by all means do so. I too have bounced back and forth from faith, so I understand you. However, I am not ignorant simply because I have Christian beliefs; I am fully aware of the facts.
@vcotham There's no proof that God doesn't exist, but there is direct proof that the Biblical God is straight up bullshit. The proof is called the Bible. If you don't believe me try reading it all the way through. It's pure fiction. There's no sign or evidence of anyone other than men contributing to this work of fantasy. There is no explanation for the laws of physics (God's true language) in the Bible, no explanation for ANY naturally occurring scientific process, yet some call it truth. Sad.
Fuck. This. Shit. I was once a devoted christain before i pursued education, and looking at this, remembering what it was like, it makes me sick. it's hard to believe, but this stuff actually makes sense to most right wing christians...how long is it going to take before we are rid of all of this?
@dson144 It will end when there are more people like you unfortunately; people who are so easily influence by the current educational authority and have become intellectually corrupted by modern ideology. Please take into consideration who is teaching you all your new found enlightenment.
@vcotham There are a lot of Christians out there with a higher education too, yet you imply that right wing Christians are ignorant in nature. Ask yourself this: has the world gotten better or worse with the regression of God.
@vcotham better to be 'corrupted' by modern ideologies than ancient ones. Better to believe in a truth that is pointed to by evidence, than faith - and if you think the evidence hasn't changed over the last 2000 years, you are the corrupted one. I appreciate the advice to question my teachers, I try to always keep that in mind. My road leading away from religion has been a long one, I wouldn't say there was anything easy about the influence at all.
@dson144 Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.
Erm, evolution explains what happened to life after it started, it has nothing to do with how life started. The only reason people say there is no Christian God is because evolution proves that man weren't created out of dust in gods image, they evolved that way.
The reason intelligent design isn't taught in schools is because there's no evidence, there no real reason to believe it's right. There's many other religion and mythological beliefs that aren't taught in school. So why should this?
nice job obliterating your public image, ben. i used to have a reasonable amount of respect for you. it's truly frightening that a man with this mindset used to work in the white house.
@022171 Really, look who's working in the White House now. You probably think they're a bunch of geniuses. Stein's image is just fine from were I'm sitting buddy.
In 1987, well known scholar & educator wrote, The Closing of The American Mind: How Higher Education Has Failed Democracy & Impoverished The Souls of American Students. Prior to this, Alfred Kinsey & his co-sexologists, financed by Rockefeller interests, co-opted science, with a goal of corrupting American culture, law & the American justice system. Kinsey, zoologist, Social Darwinist & fan of Aleister Crowley, provided him with an egineered scientific pretext, for social & political subversion.
fuck all this mindless bickering ..... how about this idea .. there's this theory and that theory ..research it for yourself and see which one YOU think makes more sense to YOU.. go with that one .. and don't try to tell the other person their psychotic for not believing what you do. "the invisible man i talk to has a bigger dick than the invisible man you talk to so i'm going to kill you now"
"Why can't you mention in Science that theologians believe their was a higher power that was responsible for the first life"
For the same reason you wouldn't mention that there are some people who believe they have been abducted by Aliens in an astronomy class.....because it's complete BOLLOCKS!!!
@estebanrey Not to mention THEOLOGIANS have no place in a science class! Someone needs to tell these guys, ID is NOT a competitive theory because it is NOT A THEORY at all.
Not testable, no evidence, not predictive.... exactly HOW is this a theory?
Dude... Both these guys don't understand... RELIGION IS NOT SCIENCE!!!! If you want to have religious "options" in public high schools, go ahead and make an ELECTIVE class, not a required class like science. Religious groups in schools are common and unpunished because they do not require that all students join. That is the "creationists" true agenda and why they are "persecuted" as Ben Stein puts it. They are trying to make religion mandatory and a very specific, religious, Christian view.
separation of church and state!! of fucking course asshole !! why would u want the pope running ur state, or whoever is in the head of the fucking american church ...
I'm not sure whether to give this a thumbs up or thumbs down. Thumbs up because it perfectly exemplifies the lunacy of these people, or thumbs down because it makes me want to punch a hole in my wall that they fill prime-time airwaves with this garbage.
This kind of broadcast is a superheavy load dragging down human progress. Organized superstition is worlds second biggest problem. Its astonishing that religion still plays a role on human lives and politics.
he still cant come up with one actual example of an expelled scientist. Abiogenesis is coming along nicely. It should be noted that its only about 50 years and probaly less that science has been able to really study the cell. Certainly Darwin had no idea of genetics or the cell. Religion has had at least 4000 years, in which time it did essentially nothing.
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
"God makes the sun rise in the morning", "The earth is in the center of the universe", "illnesses are demon-inflicted", "Snakes eat dust", "the sun travels in a boat/cart across the skies", "an alien being Created the heavens and the earth", "the earth is 6000 years old"... Religons have been right about so many things...
I don't think Darwinism trys to explain how life began or how the universe was made. What is Ben talking about? It's better to say we don't know how those things started because it's being rational. We don't know and we admit it. We may never know, but to say God did it is just plain stupidity. These guys are morons.
I don't necessarily agree with Darwinism as being a proven scientific system... but please do not equate what creationists are going through with persecution. Old White American professors do not know the meaning of true persecution
Only 2 theorys of how it began?!, but I want my theory to be taught too! cuz it's actually true! so here u have it.. Belgorg the gay, incestuous, monster baby was here before the universe began. He made sweet love to himself being that he is incestuous (not to be confused with asexual reproduction) creating the universe and everything in it in 7 milligorgs (those are the units his holyness Belgorg bestowed upon us equaling approx. 4.5 billion years) he then set the laws of physics and evolution.
These two fucking morons, i would be quite happy for them to teach in school that god created the world, IFFFF they find any evidence to support this, scientists do not try and teach kids theories which have no proof, evolution has huge ammounts of proof and now it is thought, if creationism wants to be thought then it must atleast have some proof but it does not, i could easily come up with my own magical idea and say all i want is it to be mentioned the way bill o reily wants religion to be.
why cant a made up theory like an invisible tuna sandwhich with laser vision created the earth be thought to children and then they can make up their own mind about it. i agree with bill o reilly, scientists dont know so CLEARLY the invisible tuna sandwhich theory should be atleast mentioned because it has the exact same ammount of proof as creationism, and it cant be disproven. the only diference is that a few million people sahre his views, but it has no more evidence then a tuna sandwhich god
To be fired from your job (especially as a teacher, even in a public school), denied a grant, or rejected as a scientist because you support intelligent design is perfectly okay. I fully support it. If it's a private decision, then it's not a violation of Free Speech, and if it's a public choice, then it's because you're lying to children and are a threat to science and the progression of knowledge.
No, Darwinism doesn't explain how life on Earth began; the Theory of Gravity doesn't explain why you shiver when you piss, Big Bang Theory doesn't include the 11 Herbs and Spices for delicious Colonel, and Photosynthesis doesn't explain the human tailbone. Shocker.
What idiots. Persecution of Christians? Fuck, there's no such goddamn thing in America. Christians are the socially accepted majority in 99% of all cases in America. Considering that there's no actual viable proof of creationism, I don't think you could call the theory a "card" to lay on the "academic table." O'Reilly and Stein piss me off so much. They are the scourge of the America media, along with a good half of the staff over at Fox.
The Bible clearly explains why God had to invent the bacterial flagellum and the human eye because they were too complex for evolution to produce.......can someone refer me to the places in Scripture that explains these processes?
2+2 is 3, creationism is true and cavemen used to ride to work on pet dinosaurs and mix concrete in the mouth of a pelican...I'm now gonna watch some nascar and eat some fried squirrel in my double wide
Anyone else find it strange that he criticises darwinists for using a 19th century theory in the 21st century, when he believes a book more than a millenium old?
News flash, einstein. Stein is Jewish, not Christian.
This is a beautiful movie about honest intellectualism. It's just a shame so many posters of both video and inane comments can't get their minds out of bumper sticker land and back to the business of contemplation.
Here's a hint to get you started; there are three overarching branches of knowledge. Science, logic and ethics.
Newsflash, Einstein. The Torah is over 3000 years old. My statement could have been regarding not only the bible, but the Torah, along with the Quran and Avesta, among other holy books.
There is a good reason to deny grants to people who believe in intelligent design: THEY BELIEVE IN INVISIBLE SKY FAIRIES WHO DEFY EVERY LAW OF PHYSICS!!!
Good grief, American tv, Stein shouldn't get any airtime and as for the other guy, how did he get the job in the first place? Judging by what I have seen, the American media is your own worst enemy.
@Malsipots Yeah, right. Let's censor people like Stein and O'Reilly! And by the way, any scientist who think like they do, should not be allowed to teach! Free speech in the US only for the liberals!
OH MY GOD THIS GUY FAILS SO HARD. Yes, everyone has free speech, but that doesn't mean what you say is right. Oh yeah, and "crazy liberal". Yes, us liberals are crazy!
Yes, I mean, after all what is a PhD in biology worth when you have the bible, just one interpretation of thousands of translations of an ancient codex!
"The evolution theory is such a weak theory".......ARE you kidding me?? How can someone speak about something that they have absolutely no apparent knowledge of. "Secular pinheads". O'reilly must be getting senile.
I like how Ben Stein likes to be able to use his freedom of speech, but no one else can :)
Religion has always lead to tyranny. The Dark Ages were a product of Christianity.
Just because Ben Stein and Bill O'reilly don't know how life began, doesn't mean that science doesn't. Darwin wasn't trying to answer the question of how life began, only how it became diverse.
I thought Ben Stein was intelligent. Apparently that was untrue, and "by design". When otherwise intelligent folks passionately discuss unprovable theories, it makes me cringe.
All TV and certain other news programs are guilty of violating the Journalist Code of Ethics. It is perfectly legal to report lies, distorted & slanted stories by omission of facts, etc. and all do on a regular basis. News is big corporate business, it simply must make a profit - bottom line. It isn't about truth anymore. It's about selling ads, viewer numbers, & profit.
Those who wish to report the cold, hard facts do so in other ways, not on major news programs, no exceptions.
how is a lightning strike in a puddle any less convincing then an old invisible man sitting on a cloud who invented trillions of galaxies in 7 days and only put life on one of them
Hold up... did that moron just call evolution a holdover from the Age of Imperialism? Like it's antiquated? Genesis was written in the Bronze Age, ffs!
Evolution is not an "opinion"! It's proven fact!
I'm going to go bleach my brain after watching that Retardfest. Damn.
If we mention in science classes that there may also be a Creator, can we not also suggest there is a Preserver and Destroyer ( Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva)? The Hindu creation myth is beautiful, but deserves the same status in science class as any theology - NONE!
FFS I always get annoyed when retards say einstein was religious he believed in Spinozas god which means 'god' doesnt get involved in human affairs hence not a god in the current religious sense
Dumb cunt alert x 2
Resenbrink 6 days ago
I gotta agree with Ben Stein on this one. He is being much more open minded than both O'Reilly and Maher. O'Reilly just wants to argue against the left and Maher just wants to argue with the right. At least Stein is trying to find some common ground by looking at the facts.
soberchimera61 1 month ago
HEY BEN STEIN, GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU MISINFORMED BASTARD
dopeasfuckk 1 month ago
Bad boys, bad boy, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when I come for you?
XxTheStealthyClownxX 2 months ago
Because of people like this, we are so delayed on our development as a specie.
LowresTV 2 months ago
@LowresTV
And because of morons like you evolution will go on? Don't make me laugh!
Uushilumbu79 2 months ago
@Uushilumbu79 No, I am not saying that. But it seems you are too stupid to understand. Jerk.
LowresTV 2 months ago
@LowresTV
"Jerk". Now that's the hell of an argument.
Uushilumbu79 2 months ago
I stopped listening when he said darwins theory of evolution said we evolved from monkeys.
magxsnyp3r 2 months ago
It's funny that O'Riley mocks the secular authorities. The same secular authorities that allowed catholics the freedom to prosper in a very protestant country.
corktech 2 months ago
Two pinheads don't make a "right"
georgebx 2 months ago
@georgebx
And one pinhead doesn't make a right, either.
Uushilumbu79 2 months ago
it takes time. the pen that bill is holding started with carving/paintng on the walls. than a feather with ink on the side while writing on expensive paper. now, a modern pen/paper are sold in packs and for cheap. even though science can't expalin how it all began (big bang), when our technology get's better that question will be answered
arsenalskate123 2 months ago
We are not built to understand the true dynamics of the universe....it's like dogs trying to understanding algebra. Religion evolved out of ignorance and fear.
10290gilmore 2 months ago
@VladVonThad LOL
10290gilmore 2 months ago
Funny ! Ben Stein...religion is the institution that wants to shut down objective emperical observation. Becuase a theory isn't perfect...doesn't mean an invisible man in the sky is responsible. Religion is the suspension of all critical thought becuase all the answers are laid out for us in the bible...stop thinking and read the bible. Fear drives hipocracy in the simple religious mind.
10290gilmore 2 months ago
Religious people claim they know WHO and WHAT created the universe, not just any higher power. Knowing who and what created the universe is delusional nonsense ! Bill you pinhead !
10290gilmore 2 months ago
he's the guy in the eye drops commercial!!!
cooljay305 2 months ago
Please, American Christians don't know the meaning of the world "persecuted."
dahuterschuter 2 months ago
Such a weak theory? It a very strong theory, YES there are holes, but the evidence supporting Evolution is astounding. Also, Evolution never mentions anything about a god or gods, it is about diversity of life and where life on EARTH began, not life in the Universe.
BadReligi0nFan69 2 months ago
Ben Stein is either very stupid or wilfully bullshitting. Probably both actually.
Evolution has got nothing to do with how life was created. It's about the diversity of life. As for the 'lightning striking a mud puddle' thing - who the fuck said that? Spaz.
VanderChelsea 2 months ago 2
why do i always come to this bullshit speech by bill stein
gutsandgears 2 months ago
So intelligent design accounts for both of these people?
Yep, that says a lot.
AthenaSchroedinger 4 months ago
Intelligent design... FUCKIN THING SUCKS!!
EliteDoomer 5 months ago
LIFE IS AN ACCIDENT. scientifically speaking, obviously
uyesu 5 months ago 9
@uyesu In science, there are no accidents. :)
BerretSO4 3 months ago
@BerretSO4 <the droll is strong in this one.
uyesu 3 months ago
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@uyesu lol. My point stands!! >:O :)
BerretSO4 3 months ago
@uyesu
Only you are an accident.
Uushilumbu79 2 months ago
@Uushilumbu79 you very clearly did not understand my post, but that's OK. the problem starts when you extrapolate incorrectly, then feel that you've enough between your ears to pass sound judgment and act. re-view the vid and then examine my response using the information presented in the vid. if you still think my response was borne of fact or truth or belief, then you've some misfiring "higher level" abilities. also, do please read other responses from the same time period. thx?
uyesu 2 months ago
@uyesu
I don't doubt that your life is an accident. Factually speaking the best part of you ran down your father's thigh.
nowaytogofranco 1 month ago
@nowaytogofranco adhd? the ones that respond are always the ones that refuse to pay attention. there's no other reason to bother.
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No not revenge but at least grow up and accept the difference of opinion and ideas.
allanhill1 5 months ago
Why can't we just move the scientific argument from evolution (a rather undeniable fact regarding the progression of life forms) to ---- First defining just what a living thing is, and how it went from "not life" to "life"?
Any scientist will tell you, if something not alive, somehow went "poof now I have DNA" and all life as we know it has DNA - then it had help. The theories strictly about how life began are still full of questions. I want kids to lean how to spot BS, THATS what is missing.
AMilitantAgnostic 5 months ago
It is hard to believe that O'Reilley & Stein would actually go on National TV and make such uneducated statements regarding science. It's okay to not be an expert on science but if you go on TV and speak on the subject, you had better at least know what you are talking about. Embarrassing !!!
orangemod 6 months ago
Its possible Bill grew up too close to a nuclear reactor and Ben was a neighbor lol
allanhill1 7 months ago
Idiot #1 complains about idoit #2 about freedom of speech & assert their unprovable BS as something we should teach our children as being true. It's not a freedom of speech problem its a freedom from bad logic, reasoning, and asserting information rather than proving it. Sorry Bill Sorry Ben just because you put your fingers in our ears whenever someone talks outside of your "beliefs" doesn't mean they are attacking you. Go on believe in unprovable theories just don't force it on our children.
jfdoser 7 months ago
what the hell was this? this is hardly what I would call news, it's just two guys confirming what they already think is true and badmouthing everybody else
taditoo 9 months ago
Wait a second...in Expelled, Ben Stein argued that intelligent design was a scientific not a religious issue, and yet in this interview he argues that a belief in god is now relevant (even though Einstein was an atheist).
jessiessica 10 months ago
Evolution doesn't seek to explain abiogenesis (how life began), it only seeks to explain how life evolved once it was already present. How life actually began is an entirely different issue concerning physics and chemistry and has no bearing on the credibility of evolution.
jessiessica 10 months ago 25
@jessiessica Very well put. Typical of theists to try and muddy up the argument as they are unable to put forth a logical educated opinion on the subject
allanhill1 7 months ago
@jessiessica TY - well put
AMilitantAgnostic 5 months ago
@jessiessica You're right in the beginning of the sense of the theory, but the theory that evolution began life HAS been adopted, it just never was so by Darwin himself. The scientific community does today imply that evolution began life, which was not a part of the original theory.
BerretSO4 3 months ago
@jessiessica
But without a beginning you cannot have an evolution. Got that, stupid?
Uushilumbu79 2 months ago
@Uushilumbu79 and I suppose you plan on proposing a god of the gaps argument to explain how life began?
jessiessica 2 months ago
@jessiessica
Yeah, maybe that's my plan. Got a problem with that?
Uushilumbu79 2 months ago
@Uushilumbu79 at least you're honest.
jessiessica 2 months ago
@Uushilumbu79 Yes, but the point Stein misses (or more likely ignores) is that even though there had to be a beginning of life, evolution isn't the field of study that relates to it. That's what abiogenesis is for.
MrRazorz 2 months ago
Stein looks and talks like Kissinger.
TheOzomahtli 11 months ago
Good grief. Science cannot acknowledge the super-natural because it cannot be tested or observed in a controlled environment. That goes against the very foundations of the scientific method. Saying that god or an intelligence did it doesn't answer any questions and there can be nothing gained from that. That isn't learning, or seeking truth.
luisdez81 11 months ago
Buhler? Buhler?
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Ben Stein is a lying piece of shit.
EucharistOfHypnos 1 year ago
Hurts my brain hearing Ben Stein talk.
TownCryo 1 year ago
People all over the world love people like Stein and O'Reily because they reaffirm their stereotypical views of Americans.
SmogHouseTradingCo 1 year ago
Ben Stein is right on one point; the First Amendment gives us the freedom to say what we want (slander not included), and this freedom includes the right to vocalize whatever idiotic drivel that might pop into his little pea brain.
Before I saw him ranting about religion on YouTube, I thought he was a pretty good commentator on economics on "CBS Sunday Morning," but now I question his basic intelligence. It makes me doubt the accuracy of anything that comes out of his mouth.
Impalamark64 1 year ago 2
two guys arguing about magic... "why can we talk about miracles in the biology class?" you are the pinheads
udarntors 1 year ago
Sorry, but not good enough. The Bible is not a science book, nor is it "Physics for Dummys." Its purpose is not to explain the laws of science to arrogant, Christian bashing atheist. The Bible was written in a different time for far less sophisticated people than yourself apparently. Jesus spoke in parables for a reason. Perhaps some of the Bible is written in the same manner. I really don't know, and I'm not going to pretend to. However, its purpose is clear, and its message has shown to true.
vcotham 1 year ago
You have found ironclad evidence that disproves the existence of God? That's interesting, not to mention bold. I wasn't aware this existed; please share. Friend, my comment was not to offend but rather to express my thoughts on the matter. If you choose to go by way of modern over what you consider ancient, then by all means do so. I too have bounced back and forth from faith, so I understand you. However, I am not ignorant simply because I have Christian beliefs; I am fully aware of the facts.
vcotham 1 year ago
@vcotham There's no proof that God doesn't exist, but there is direct proof that the Biblical God is straight up bullshit. The proof is called the Bible. If you don't believe me try reading it all the way through. It's pure fiction. There's no sign or evidence of anyone other than men contributing to this work of fantasy. There is no explanation for the laws of physics (God's true language) in the Bible, no explanation for ANY naturally occurring scientific process, yet some call it truth. Sad.
adepressedlife 1 year ago
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@adepressedlife UM GUYS THE BIBLE IS CRAP BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXPLAIN SCIENCE!!!
lol what? Should I start persecuting Evolution for not explaining how rain works? Or how my poop rots to nothing? Or better yet, the Origin of Life?
See the logical fallacy here?
GuitarGuy22221 1 year ago
Ben Stein is a relic whose time has passed. "Expelled" was a lie and it has been proved to be so.
MrWagman11 1 year ago
Fuck. This. Shit. I was once a devoted christain before i pursued education, and looking at this, remembering what it was like, it makes me sick. it's hard to believe, but this stuff actually makes sense to most right wing christians...how long is it going to take before we are rid of all of this?
dson144 1 year ago
@dson144 It will end when there are more people like you unfortunately; people who are so easily influence by the current educational authority and have become intellectually corrupted by modern ideology. Please take into consideration who is teaching you all your new found enlightenment.
vcotham 1 year ago
@vcotham There are a lot of Christians out there with a higher education too, yet you imply that right wing Christians are ignorant in nature. Ask yourself this: has the world gotten better or worse with the regression of God.
vcotham 1 year ago
@vcotham better to be 'corrupted' by modern ideologies than ancient ones. Better to believe in a truth that is pointed to by evidence, than faith - and if you think the evidence hasn't changed over the last 2000 years, you are the corrupted one. I appreciate the advice to question my teachers, I try to always keep that in mind. My road leading away from religion has been a long one, I wouldn't say there was anything easy about the influence at all.
dson144 1 year ago
@dson144 Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.
vcotham 1 year ago
Erm, evolution explains what happened to life after it started, it has nothing to do with how life started. The only reason people say there is no Christian God is because evolution proves that man weren't created out of dust in gods image, they evolved that way.
The reason intelligent design isn't taught in schools is because there's no evidence, there no real reason to believe it's right. There's many other religion and mythological beliefs that aren't taught in school. So why should this?
sm1tty5569 1 year ago
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3:20 ...that says it all right there Ben ...to answer your question, yes, you are wrong, and yes you are stupid.
dstachon2002 1 year ago
In order for god to be considered in any scientific "equation" we would first have to discover god and prove that he exists..
Shenanigasm 1 year ago
I love Ben Stien!
TheShymom 1 year ago
@TheShymom I like him too, but on this particular issue. He's an idiot.
Al educated, well intentioned idiot.
He has no idial what he is talking about, and says so several times though out this film.
Andrewcranky 1 year ago
nice job obliterating your public image, ben. i used to have a reasonable amount of respect for you. it's truly frightening that a man with this mindset used to work in the white house.
022171 1 year ago
@022171 Really, look who's working in the White House now. You probably think they're a bunch of geniuses. Stein's image is just fine from were I'm sitting buddy.
vcotham 1 year ago
Maybe they don't know the difference between a scientific theory and a religious belief...
WVJimbo 1 year ago 2
Wankybollocks. Utter wankybollocks.
freakystyley4000 1 year ago
In 1987, well known scholar & educator wrote, The Closing of The American Mind: How Higher Education Has Failed Democracy & Impoverished The Souls of American Students. Prior to this, Alfred Kinsey & his co-sexologists, financed by Rockefeller interests, co-opted science, with a goal of corrupting American culture, law & the American justice system. Kinsey, zoologist, Social Darwinist & fan of Aleister Crowley, provided him with an egineered scientific pretext, for social & political subversion.
Elazar40 1 year ago
fuck all this mindless bickering ..... how about this idea .. there's this theory and that theory ..research it for yourself and see which one YOU think makes more sense to YOU.. go with that one .. and don't try to tell the other person their psychotic for not believing what you do. "the invisible man i talk to has a bigger dick than the invisible man you talk to so i'm going to kill you now"
shadowlorde 1 year ago
@shadowlorde well played sir.
vcotham 1 year ago
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@shadowlorde well played sir.
vcotham 1 year ago
You people should be nicer to Stein - he is just making money! :)
vmorgun 1 year ago
@vmorgun Forget it!
decibel333 1 year ago
Wow what happened to Ben Stein? The game show was funny but this..
It's like listening to 2 idiots talk.
LikeOMG4real 1 year ago
@LikeOMG4real Not "like listening to 2 idiots"...
decibel333 1 year ago
"Why can't you mention in Science that theologians believe their was a higher power that was responsible for the first life"
For the same reason you wouldn't mention that there are some people who believe they have been abducted by Aliens in an astronomy class.....because it's complete BOLLOCKS!!!
estebanrey 1 year ago 2
@estebanrey Not to mention THEOLOGIANS have no place in a science class! Someone needs to tell these guys, ID is NOT a competitive theory because it is NOT A THEORY at all.
Not testable, no evidence, not predictive.... exactly HOW is this a theory?
decibel333 1 year ago
Bueller... Bueller?
GarrethKeenan 1 year ago 3
Dude... Both these guys don't understand... RELIGION IS NOT SCIENCE!!!! If you want to have religious "options" in public high schools, go ahead and make an ELECTIVE class, not a required class like science. Religious groups in schools are common and unpunished because they do not require that all students join. That is the "creationists" true agenda and why they are "persecuted" as Ben Stein puts it. They are trying to make religion mandatory and a very specific, religious, Christian view.
adepressedlife 1 year ago
@adepressedlife quite the contrary.
vcotham 1 year ago
@adepressedlife Another fact never mentioned by Stein or Bill for that matter is the persecution of non believers and atheists over the generations.
allanhill1 7 months ago
@allanhill1 Justifies revenge?
AMilitantAgnostic 5 months ago
ffffffffffffffffffffff
I give up...
American TV is just WRONG
no wounder Americans are stupid.
paimail21 1 year ago
I dont know who's worst ben stein or bill o'reilly
bryoneill11 1 year ago
If Ben Stein or Bill O'Reilly had to put money on which theory they believed, I think they would change their minds really quick.
MisleadGuidance 1 year ago
The film is absolutely awful. THAT should be the issue.
felldownonce1 1 year ago
separation of church and state!! of fucking course asshole !! why would u want the pope running ur state, or whoever is in the head of the fucking american church ...
stupid fuckers !!
coolchanga 1 year ago
Non-believers make me wanna puke. It's time for all of humanity to accept the Truth: GUMBY IS GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CaptainMacNasty 1 year ago
I'm not sure whether to give this a thumbs up or thumbs down. Thumbs up because it perfectly exemplifies the lunacy of these people, or thumbs down because it makes me want to punch a hole in my wall that they fill prime-time airwaves with this garbage.
siegenblahblah 1 year ago
I love seeing two ----simple-minded pieces of ignorance!!!
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klute007 1 year ago
This kind of broadcast is a superheavy load dragging down human progress. Organized superstition is worlds second biggest problem. Its astonishing that religion still plays a role on human lives and politics.
bary1234 1 year ago
Who is taking Stein's freedom away? What a fucking loony. He's almost as silly as O'Reilly.
ChesapeakeBeach 1 year ago
lawl
BadCompany98 1 year ago
Ben Stein would do ANYTHING for money..... maybe his intelligence should be redesigned??
jesusisbling 1 year ago
for pretty much every religion there's a different creation story, do we have to learn them all
EnergizerBunny804 1 year ago
@EnergizerBunny804 We shouldn't learn any. Could aswell put Lord of the Rings on the curriculum.
Gonnakillyou 1 year ago
he still cant come up with one actual example of an expelled scientist. Abiogenesis is coming along nicely. It should be noted that its only about 50 years and probaly less that science has been able to really study the cell. Certainly Darwin had no idea of genetics or the cell. Religion has had at least 4000 years, in which time it did essentially nothing.
SqueakerAlpha 1 year ago
Where does the evolution theory mention anything about life being created by lightening striking a mud puddle?
torchss 1 year ago
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
-Albert Einstein
gamesbok 1 year ago 2
secular pinheads....hahah bill is so funny when he turns up the crazy
criticaljimmk 1 year ago
deport this guy (ben stein) back to israel !
let him poison his own country and people.
he talks about freedom of speech ! yeaah right
mention the holocaust or talk about jews own most of america.\
and you see what he will say about freedom of speech!
hypocrite basterd
yordanosi 1 year ago
"God makes the sun rise in the morning", "The earth is in the center of the universe", "illnesses are demon-inflicted", "Snakes eat dust", "the sun travels in a boat/cart across the skies", "an alien being Created the heavens and the earth", "the earth is 6000 years old"... Religons have been right about so many things...
aakesson 1 year ago 2
I don't think Darwinism trys to explain how life began or how the universe was made. What is Ben talking about? It's better to say we don't know how those things started because it's being rational. We don't know and we admit it. We may never know, but to say God did it is just plain stupidity. These guys are morons.
Skull666Bones 1 year ago
We should put that guy in a zoo and feed him bananas and peanuts.
ivanlagrossemoule 1 year ago
I don't necessarily agree with Darwinism as being a proven scientific system... but please do not equate what creationists are going through with persecution. Old White American professors do not know the meaning of true persecution
ritzpolo22 2 years ago
Only 2 theorys of how it began?!, but I want my theory to be taught too! cuz it's actually true! so here u have it.. Belgorg the gay, incestuous, monster baby was here before the universe began. He made sweet love to himself being that he is incestuous (not to be confused with asexual reproduction) creating the universe and everything in it in 7 milligorgs (those are the units his holyness Belgorg bestowed upon us equaling approx. 4.5 billion years) he then set the laws of physics and evolution.
Babeman12 2 years ago
@Babeman12
omg i believe that too, yes lets get it thought in schools
PooeyBum11 1 year ago
These two fucking morons, i would be quite happy for them to teach in school that god created the world, IFFFF they find any evidence to support this, scientists do not try and teach kids theories which have no proof, evolution has huge ammounts of proof and now it is thought, if creationism wants to be thought then it must atleast have some proof but it does not, i could easily come up with my own magical idea and say all i want is it to be mentioned the way bill o reily wants religion to be.
PooeyBum11 2 years ago
why cant a made up theory like an invisible tuna sandwhich with laser vision created the earth be thought to children and then they can make up their own mind about it. i agree with bill o reilly, scientists dont know so CLEARLY the invisible tuna sandwhich theory should be atleast mentioned because it has the exact same ammount of proof as creationism, and it cant be disproven. the only diference is that a few million people sahre his views, but it has no more evidence then a tuna sandwhich god
PooeyBum11 2 years ago
god went zap zap zap and we became
bmul125 2 years ago
To be fired from your job (especially as a teacher, even in a public school), denied a grant, or rejected as a scientist because you support intelligent design is perfectly okay. I fully support it. If it's a private decision, then it's not a violation of Free Speech, and if it's a public choice, then it's because you're lying to children and are a threat to science and the progression of knowledge.
nocturnezero 2 years ago
No, Darwinism doesn't explain how life on Earth began; the Theory of Gravity doesn't explain why you shiver when you piss, Big Bang Theory doesn't include the 11 Herbs and Spices for delicious Colonel, and Photosynthesis doesn't explain the human tailbone. Shocker.
nocturnezero 2 years ago
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nocturnezero 2 years ago
Creationism is weaker than ambiogenics.
debiaptget 2 years ago
Ben Stein is more "idiot", while Bill O'Reilly is more of the ultimate alpha "arsehole"
drinkxyz 2 years ago 2
o´reilly vs stein, clash of the retards
bubbapuffpuff 2 years ago
What idiots. Persecution of Christians? Fuck, there's no such goddamn thing in America. Christians are the socially accepted majority in 99% of all cases in America. Considering that there's no actual viable proof of creationism, I don't think you could call the theory a "card" to lay on the "academic table." O'Reilly and Stein piss me off so much. They are the scourge of the America media, along with a good half of the staff over at Fox.
phantomregiment1227 2 years ago
The Bible clearly explains why God had to invent the bacterial flagellum and the human eye because they were too complex for evolution to produce.......can someone refer me to the places in Scripture that explains these processes?
Hunkola 2 years ago
"Maybe we're wrong, maybe we're stupid"
There's no maybe pal.
And btw fuckin' dickheads, they DARE say we're persecuting people... and they are Christians... and doing it with a straight face...
These two fuckers need nailing to a cross.
Oh and is it me alone who wants to repeatedly punch O'Reilly in the face every time I so much as look at him? I'm guessing not.
DeluxeSux 2 years ago
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BillKiernan 2 years ago
2+2 is 3, creationism is true and cavemen used to ride to work on pet dinosaurs and mix concrete in the mouth of a pelican...I'm now gonna watch some nascar and eat some fried squirrel in my double wide
1veritas4 2 years ago 6
Anyone else find it strange that he criticises darwinists for using a 19th century theory in the 21st century, when he believes a book more than a millenium old?
jpdidit 2 years ago 21
@jpdidit what's a millennium compared to the existence of the world or universe for that matter? It's a drop in the bucket; let it go.
vcotham 1 year ago
@jpdidit UH OH STRAW MAN ALERT
GuitarGuy22221 1 year ago
@jpdidit
News flash, einstein. Stein is Jewish, not Christian.
This is a beautiful movie about honest intellectualism. It's just a shame so many posters of both video and inane comments can't get their minds out of bumper sticker land and back to the business of contemplation.
Here's a hint to get you started; there are three overarching branches of knowledge. Science, logic and ethics.
mytruepower2 5 months ago
@mytruepower2
Newsflash, Einstein. The Torah is over 3000 years old. My statement could have been regarding not only the bible, but the Torah, along with the Quran and Avesta, among other holy books.
jpdidit 4 months ago
@jpdidit
Yeah, it could have been. Was it?
mytruepower2 4 months ago
@mytruepower2
Didn't give it much thought. All of the major creationist religions are based on primitive books.
jpdidit 4 months ago
@jpdidit
Then I salute your character for admitting that you didn't think. Thank you.
mytruepower2 4 months ago
There is a good reason to deny grants to people who believe in intelligent design: THEY BELIEVE IN INVISIBLE SKY FAIRIES WHO DEFY EVERY LAW OF PHYSICS!!!
jpdidit 2 years ago 3
These two need to die.
hislipsaremoving 2 years ago 2
DUMB AND DUMBER 2... only this time uglyer and older
charin99 2 years ago 5
Good grief, American tv, Stein shouldn't get any airtime and as for the other guy, how did he get the job in the first place? Judging by what I have seen, the American media is your own worst enemy.
Malsipots 2 years ago 32
Two words: Faux News.
nocturnezero 2 years ago
@Malsipots Not only Stein, O'Reilly neither (among many others). America's media landscape is pure horror.
Gonnakillyou 1 year ago
@Malsipots I agreee. Down with CNN & MSNBC!
vcotham 1 year ago
@Malsipots Yeah, right. Let's censor people like Stein and O'Reilly! And by the way, any scientist who think like they do, should not be allowed to teach! Free speech in the US only for the liberals!
matlalaefcm 1 year ago
@Malsipots What country are you in? Can I move in with you? Will you take me away from this place?
EucharistOfHypnos 1 year ago
this guy has never opened a real book, what an asshole.
vcepeda89 2 years ago 3
Bill O'reilly = Bozo
jeanMA999 2 years ago 4
Lightning in a mud puddle? I would laugh if it weren't so sad. Here's a hint, Bill + Ben, the flowerpot men - Read a fucking book on the subject!
LeiMagnus 2 years ago 4
Atheist conservatives must unite !!! :(
People like this make us look freaking BAD.
adrienspawn 2 years ago 3
Flat earthists are being persecuted too!
kyral210 2 years ago 6
OH MY GOD THIS GUY FAILS SO HARD. Yes, everyone has free speech, but that doesn't mean what you say is right. Oh yeah, and "crazy liberal". Yes, us liberals are crazy!
kyral210 2 years ago
Fox News is so obviously biased.
cheeseylemon 2 years ago 3
It's the darwinists that are being persecuted. And they have a right to fight back don't they?!
cheeseylemon 2 years ago
Yes, I mean, after all what is a PhD in biology worth when you have the bible, just one interpretation of thousands of translations of an ancient codex!
kyral210 2 years ago 2
"The evolution theory is such a weak theory".......ARE you kidding me?? How can someone speak about something that they have absolutely no apparent knowledge of. "Secular pinheads". O'reilly must be getting senile.
pillowbugg 2 years ago 2
I like how Ben Stein likes to be able to use his freedom of speech, but no one else can :)
Religion has always lead to tyranny. The Dark Ages were a product of Christianity.
Just because Ben Stein and Bill O'reilly don't know how life began, doesn't mean that science doesn't. Darwin wasn't trying to answer the question of how life began, only how it became diverse.
vatoencabronado 2 years ago
why cant you just mention in biology class?...wrong class dick head
RYNBNNYMN 2 years ago 2
I thought Ben Stein was intelligent. Apparently that was untrue, and "by design". When otherwise intelligent folks passionately discuss unprovable theories, it makes me cringe.
g99se9 2 years ago
All TV and certain other news programs are guilty of violating the Journalist Code of Ethics. It is perfectly legal to report lies, distorted & slanted stories by omission of facts, etc. and all do on a regular basis. News is big corporate business, it simply must make a profit - bottom line. It isn't about truth anymore. It's about selling ads, viewer numbers, & profit.
Those who wish to report the cold, hard facts do so in other ways, not on major news programs, no exceptions.
xvirg 2 years ago
Fox News + Creationism = My head hurts. These guys totally miss the point on evolution and obviously haven't dug into the real science on it.
vincentsama 2 years ago 3
how is a lightning strike in a puddle any less convincing then an old invisible man sitting on a cloud who invented trillions of galaxies in 7 days and only put life on one of them
sanman312 2 years ago
i don't believe in the deathpenalty, but this guy might be a nice sendoff for the chair
rasmAn2 2 years ago
Hold up... did that moron just call evolution a holdover from the Age of Imperialism? Like it's antiquated? Genesis was written in the Bronze Age, ffs!
Evolution is not an "opinion"! It's proven fact!
I'm going to go bleach my brain after watching that Retardfest. Damn.
megoofychick 2 years ago 2
"Darwinism" is not a theory, it's a word that some idiot creationists gave to biologists.
sillygames 2 years ago 2
If we mention in science classes that there may also be a Creator, can we not also suggest there is a Preserver and Destroyer ( Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva)? The Hindu creation myth is beautiful, but deserves the same status in science class as any theology - NONE!
timpipe 2 years ago
FFS I always get annoyed when retards say einstein was religious he believed in Spinozas god which means 'god' doesnt get involved in human affairs hence not a god in the current religious sense
Teej247 2 years ago
If you tell any religious organization that their logic is skewed or that what they are saying is ignorant, then they interpret that as persecution.
An example of persecution is when the Catholic church (the first Christians) imposed their will upon p