Wow. This is remarkable footage. Turning kicks with the hands on the deck look suspiciously like Capoeira. I know we shall never know, but given the maritime connection to Savate, I think this is a possibility - perhaps through exposure and trade, fighting men see many things. I have heard this theory before (it's not mine) - any light you could shed would be greatly appreciated.
@maskdesmith77 that guard is more effective for bare knuckle as it evovled specificly for that but wiht the glove teh evolution changed to what we have to day. hitting head was stupid and risked ur profession on it as u had a 80 % chance of breaking ur wrist and the golden button was teh solar plexus and it would ensure extreme pain, KO, plus chance ot death.
kicking was a result of fighting with a closed fist outlawed as fighting with a deadly weapon. if they outlawed kicking with feet it would have been knees and head butts ahhahaha
v.well spotted, Bruce took from all the arts but the mark of savates artistic grace plus its large variety of techniques..such as 'stop side-kicks' to the groin and knees/legs etc... remember savate developed out of practical fighting arts with the blade (fencing) which up until 150 yrs ago were used for illegal duels to the death still..
What!? I observed similarities with those high kicks you see from 0:27 onwards, some of those frames look identical to later photos of Bruce, and in general these guys fight with a very similar sort of rhythm. I had no idea Bruce sampled from this fighting tradition, he must have had an encyclopedic knowledge of the Martial Arts. Now that i watch this again i feel stupid i didn't put 2&2 together in the first place haha
Bruce took the best of everything, and many techniques in Savate, especially 'stop side kicks' etc.. were straight from that art...Yes Bruce had thousands of books on all the fighting arts, his brother was an avid fencer - from him grew an interest in fencings principles, Bruce was also an amateur HOng Kong boxing champ (not everyone knows this!), as well as studying formally wing chun with Yip Man/Wong SHun leung...the main thing is that Bruce realised the best way is 'no way' ..jst what works
I'd give up a Klondike bar to study JKD under Burton Richardson. Not sure I really like the vertical fist. Regardless, Richardson did away with the straight blast, replaced it with the boxing blast. Straight blast just seems dumb
Bruce Lee's punches were a compromise between WIng Chun vertical fist strikes and boxing punches...i find them far better and more stable on the wrists..i mean boxing style punches on the street may break your wrists (hence BRuces preference based on scientific evaluation)..
right. this is true. The rotation creates more force (is that the correct usage in a physics context?)-- this is suitable for a large glove, but not so great with bare hands.
can't say to an opponent on the street 'excuse me whilst i put my boxing wraps on'!the thing with boxing style punches is that u put all the pressure on the weakest part of the wrist - which has caused plentiful wrist breaks in karate practictioners when trying to punch someone outside of the dojo as they punch with just the two knuckles as in boxing...you need very conditioned /strong wrists etc.. to make boxing punches reliably safe..Bruce's punches were 'in between' vertical/horizontal'
cool man. studying muay thai now. Tried back in the town I was before this one. Guy was a fighter, but couldn't teach for shit. This is better. Parker criticized JKD saying that not everyone had Lee's attributes, so they couldn't make JKD work. Parker (American Kenpo Parker) confused JKD with Jun Fan kickboxing. JKD on the other hand is what works. Lovely concept
Exactly! JKD is a CONCEPT, am glad to see you understand this whereas most think it's a 'style'..It's a self development concept, for example, you could study martial arts from Egypt, Africa and Papa New Guinea but it'd still be JKD if you adapted and simplified it to make it work for you...essentially it is to constantly experiment to find what works for you and adapt 'like water' to all situations and aspects, including your own individual differences..plus 'adding whats your own'..eg=creative
No actually JKD was actually Bruce Lee's system of fighting, not a concept, which incorporated wing chun techniques, a particular stance and many philosophical and thought guidelines (for any martial artist) which you can see in his book "Tao of Jeet Kune Do". Later on he realized though, that he didn't want to create another style and then started saying JKD was just a word, and that you must be like water, take what's useful and mold it into yourself, just like he subconsciously did with JKD!
check out 'Roger La Fond' on youtube, ignoring the s'what dated boxing aspects (eg boxing looking a little dated/clumsy) you can see them practising in order, fencing, la canne(the cane/stick fighting-which is viscious and very effective), and then savate kickboxing...all part of one system, which savate is the umbrella term for..
Mmm... I thought savate derived from street fighting, from chausson, in particular. I would guess that it only became a gentlemanly sport when it became synthesized with English boxing using Marquis de Queensbury rules; fair tactics, timed rounds, etc are what characterized that style...
Ok, savate derived from chausson from the South, which apparently was influenced by sailors who went to the far East and saw sailors over there using there feet on ship to fight...and yes the ENglish influence from boxing is correct but what i meant is that, to quote Bruce Lee, Savate is 'fencing without the sword'..it was influenced refined, alongside 'la canne', and generally part of the 'fencing gentlemans art'...thats what i meant
I doubt the sailors got kicking from the far east. Accounts from Roman authorities detailed the effective kicking and punching arts of Gaulish tribes. A kick is a kick, after all. You don't have to go across the glove to learn how to do it. :)
It was attested to by the Romans: In 400AD Ammanius Marcellinus wrote about the Gauls: "'In fact a whole band of foreigners will be unable to cope with one of them in a fight, especially if he calls in his wife...poising her huge white arms, begins to rain blows mingled with kicks, like shots discharged by the twisted cords of a catapault."
Kunstdesfechtens thanks for your answer. We must consider that Terry Brown reports a passage of a satyric writing of the time. In the IV century A.D., when Marcellinus entered southern Gaul from Italy, Gauls were highly Romanised, they already had Roman arenas where learned luctatio, pancration and gladiatorial fighting systems. Before that, unfortunately, we have no proof to demonstrate that our Gauls knew the art of kicking. No statues, no writings, no paintings. It is sad.
@templarus1000 Kicking is pretty universal. People tend to throw more kicks in sparring if they're afraid of getting punched. It's basic human body mechanics. For example, I study and teach German longsword out of the manuals left by fight masters from Medieval Germany... people often say "hey, that looks like kenjutsu". However, the two arts were developed independantly, just like German kampfringen and koryu jujutsu look a lot alike, but are not related at all. :)
@Kunstdesfechtens. Interesting theory, but without data we cannot generalize. Let me say that in Gaul, archeologically or historically speaking, there is no proof of kicking methods before the Roman Era. I repeat, absolutely no evidence. On the contrary, about western longsword and eastern kenjutsu there are lots of ancient books, weapons, frescoes etc. so we can say that Europeans and Asians during the Middle Ages knew the art of fencing. I hope this helps.
Hi Templar, it's true there's no hard archeological evidience, but the idea of kicking is pretty darn basic. Might as well say that certain peoples didn't know the art of punching without hard archaelogical evidence. What we do know is that their sword making was incredibly advanced. Presumably they wouldn't bother to make fine weapons if they didn't have spend a lot of time on swordsmanship. (con't)
So, given the martial nature of European tribal cultures in general in ancient times and the emphasis on personal glory and ability in combat, it is unlikely that they would neglect anything as obvious as kicking someone when the opportunity arises. Talhoffer's manual from 1467 shows kicking the abdomen and thrusting with a longsword simultaneously, yet again well in advance of contact with Asian MA, though not ancient.
@templarus1000 Perhaps of interest is the mention in the Tain (tales of Cuchullain) that he uses a weapon "thrown with the foot". I wonder if that might actually have been reference to a foot-strike.
@Kunstdesfechtens True, but then why is kicking so under-represented in European styles. Even something like Devonshire wrestling only kicked to the legs.
@moominpic Hi there, I think the reason lies in the "civillian" nature of the art. Earlier arts were military, being the domain of the knightly classes. Both in the judicial duel and on the battlefield, grappling is much more effective due to the possibility of armour. Also, kicks in medieval martial arts don't go above the belly because when fighting trained grapplers, high kicks can get you into big trouble. When armour faded from use, extensive striking became more practical.
@Kunstdesfechtens Hi, interesting theory. However, if we consider how strong wrestling was in France, it still asks the questions of why France is the only European country with a major kicking style. I don't doubt there were kicking styles in Europe but considering the places where Savate is/was centred (Paris, Marseilles), it does suggest a wider influence. Although, that also asks why maritime nations such as Britain and Portugal don't have such styles too.
@moominpic Also remember that many indigenous European martial arts died out with the advent of reliable gunpowder weapons. We have no way of knowing what was consigned to the dustbin of history. For example, were it not for surviving technical manuals, no one today would know of the German, Italian and Iberian martial arts traditions at all.
@Kunstdesfechtens True. I suspect the answer lies midway between. Perhaps a native style was influenced by Asian styles they found abroad. Even capoeira adopted some Asian techniques. Intersting thing, in Cap there are open handed techniques and, I believe, early Savate was also noted for more open hands than fists. Bearing in mind the nature of it, I wonder if that was so you could hold an open blade in the open palm. thoughts/
@moominpic Hard to say. No one really knows. The origins of Savate are in Paris and Marseilles, we know that much apparently. Due to the use of shoes, it's not a big stretch at all to think "maybe I should be able to kick somebody in the head with these things". It ain't rocket science, and people are smart. Just because two techniques look alike doesn't mean a common heritage is present.
@Kunstdesfechtens True. Guess we'll never know for sure. Talking of shoes, have you ever seen English "purring". Two guys wear big boots and kick the hell out of each others shins. Interestingly, Devonshire wresatling also used shoes (although neighbouring Cornish didn't). Thanks for an interesting and informative discussion.
@Kunstdesfechtens but the problem is almost all roman arts and roman era greco roman era arts disappera both by law and lack of neccessity. during the dark ages empty hand fighting was useless other than combat grppling(it is uses in conjunction wiht the sword iw german school and italian). im not discrediting the european origin im merely stating that historically it would only come about during the baroque, rococco, classical, and colonial era because ti became uncommon to carry weapons
@Kunstdesfechtens (cont ) in public. and the the civlianized militray arts and foot games would lead to boxing venetian boxing and savate(not entirely french as it was dominate in the mediterrenean). in germany certain schools may even do rapid fire punches like wing chun yet not like wing chun. do i make sense?
@Kunstdesfechtens: You're absolutely right. The Greek art of Pankration also had kicking, and there are terra cotta pots with depictions of kicking in combat, and it's well documented that the Spartans used a stomping type kick in battle.
There is a snobbery and assumption in modern times amongst people who think they know about martial arts that kicking is something that is strictly East Asian. In reality, human bodies are all the same and the way we fight isn't that different at it's core.
good observation. I think I remember him saying, or maybe it was Dan Inosanto, that he directly borrow the coup de pied chasse. But there *was* viable kickboxing back then, wasn't there? have to think on that one
I am totaly agree with Hypersite , I whent on the profil of this motherfucker "Codymania1" and i see that you like to box , also you "don't read books" haha dumbass !
But you are lucky little bitch because i live in SanFrancisco and i am ready to do 55 mi to go to Vacaville and i will show you if the french boxing is gay , if you are a men , i will be waiting you on Andrews park the monday 18 at 21, i ll be waiting motherfucker so if you have balls come !
You know what codymana1 i am sad for you , and for my country because i am sure that you are american , and it's because of people like you that the rest of the world think we are dumb .
Holy shit!!!! 1894? What the fuck went wrong with the world? Doesn't look that out of place now... really incredible stuff...kind of makes the Queensbury Rules a joke lol
Why has it not evolved into a major Art..it stole the lead on many of today's Arts.....amazing...
It's sad that any time I read the words "Muay Thai" in a comment on YouTube I know there is a ninety-nine percent chance that the commenter is a 12 year old puke who knows fuck all about martial arts. Go ahead and type "Kick To The Head Knockout in MMA" into your Search box on Youtube, and you'll see that a roundhouse kick to the head is just as effective today as it was in 1894.
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actually dumbass, fuck muay thai, fuck martial arts in general, im a boxer, not a mma duche bag, and fyi, im a man, not some 12 year old poser like you
You're hilarious buddy. You're not a boxer, you're a wannabe. And you're not a man, you're a sad joke with the spelling ability of five year old. At least you admit you know nothing about martial arts.
@THEpillows100
Bruce Lee was smart and took techniques from many styles.
NateHowl 5 months ago
BOOT TO THE HEAD!
modernblacksmith 1 year ago
punch you in the balls with a baguette. end of story
zacatetas 1 year ago 2
Looks like they need to shovel more coal into the camera's engine.
gregdancingmachine 1 year ago
Wow. This is remarkable footage. Turning kicks with the hands on the deck look suspiciously like Capoeira. I know we shall never know, but given the maritime connection to Savate, I think this is a possibility - perhaps through exposure and trade, fighting men see many things. I have heard this theory before (it's not mine) - any light you could shed would be greatly appreciated.
ikemstar 1 year ago
was this style heavily influenced by fencing? the punches seem so...
maskdesmith77 1 year ago
@maskdesmith77 that guard is more effective for bare knuckle as it evovled specificly for that but wiht the glove teh evolution changed to what we have to day. hitting head was stupid and risked ur profession on it as u had a 80 % chance of breaking ur wrist and the golden button was teh solar plexus and it would ensure extreme pain, KO, plus chance ot death.
kaindrg 1 year ago
kicking was a result of fighting with a closed fist outlawed as fighting with a deadly weapon. if they outlawed kicking with feet it would have been knees and head butts ahhahaha
davidonspecialk 1 year ago
Their jabs look similar to those those lunging thrusts in fencing, thats pretty interesting :O
MartialArts4Ever 1 year ago
Супер антиквариат!
Mishenev 2 years ago
LOL at the Nokia quality video, agreed, is so crappy like Motorola crap even rofl
casser24 2 years ago
so awesome, now that is really old school :P
DensityChurch 2 years ago 2
Probably filmed with Nokia ...
kalach44300 2 years ago 21
looks like a flip book
Dragonfist12185 2 years ago
Super.
MrBINDEL 2 years ago
looks ALOT like bruce lee's jeet kune do
spacecowboy95 2 years ago
v.well spotted, Bruce took from all the arts but the mark of savates artistic grace plus its large variety of techniques..such as 'stop side-kicks' to the groin and knees/legs etc... remember savate developed out of practical fighting arts with the blade (fencing) which up until 150 yrs ago were used for illegal duels to the death still..
vincent4500 2 years ago
What!? I observed similarities with those high kicks you see from 0:27 onwards, some of those frames look identical to later photos of Bruce, and in general these guys fight with a very similar sort of rhythm. I had no idea Bruce sampled from this fighting tradition, he must have had an encyclopedic knowledge of the Martial Arts. Now that i watch this again i feel stupid i didn't put 2&2 together in the first place haha
spacecowboy95 2 years ago
Bruce took the best of everything, and many techniques in Savate, especially 'stop side kicks' etc.. were straight from that art...Yes Bruce had thousands of books on all the fighting arts, his brother was an avid fencer - from him grew an interest in fencings principles, Bruce was also an amateur HOng Kong boxing champ (not everyone knows this!), as well as studying formally wing chun with Yip Man/Wong SHun leung...the main thing is that Bruce realised the best way is 'no way' ..jst what works
vincent4500 2 years ago
I'd give up a Klondike bar to study JKD under Burton Richardson. Not sure I really like the vertical fist. Regardless, Richardson did away with the straight blast, replaced it with the boxing blast. Straight blast just seems dumb
carbonlaminate 2 years ago
Bruce Lee's punches were a compromise between WIng Chun vertical fist strikes and boxing punches...i find them far better and more stable on the wrists..i mean boxing style punches on the street may break your wrists (hence BRuces preference based on scientific evaluation)..
vincent4500 2 years ago
right. this is true. The rotation creates more force (is that the correct usage in a physics context?)-- this is suitable for a large glove, but not so great with bare hands.
carbonlaminate 2 years ago
can't say to an opponent on the street 'excuse me whilst i put my boxing wraps on'!the thing with boxing style punches is that u put all the pressure on the weakest part of the wrist - which has caused plentiful wrist breaks in karate practictioners when trying to punch someone outside of the dojo as they punch with just the two knuckles as in boxing...you need very conditioned /strong wrists etc.. to make boxing punches reliably safe..Bruce's punches were 'in between' vertical/horizontal'
vincent4500 2 years ago
cool man. studying muay thai now. Tried back in the town I was before this one. Guy was a fighter, but couldn't teach for shit. This is better. Parker criticized JKD saying that not everyone had Lee's attributes, so they couldn't make JKD work. Parker (American Kenpo Parker) confused JKD with Jun Fan kickboxing. JKD on the other hand is what works. Lovely concept
carbonlaminate 2 years ago
Exactly! JKD is a CONCEPT, am glad to see you understand this whereas most think it's a 'style'..It's a self development concept, for example, you could study martial arts from Egypt, Africa and Papa New Guinea but it'd still be JKD if you adapted and simplified it to make it work for you...essentially it is to constantly experiment to find what works for you and adapt 'like water' to all situations and aspects, including your own individual differences..plus 'adding whats your own'..eg=creative
vincent4500 2 years ago
No actually JKD was actually Bruce Lee's system of fighting, not a concept, which incorporated wing chun techniques, a particular stance and many philosophical and thought guidelines (for any martial artist) which you can see in his book "Tao of Jeet Kune Do". Later on he realized though, that he didn't want to create another style and then started saying JKD was just a word, and that you must be like water, take what's useful and mold it into yourself, just like he subconsciously did with JKD!
ExpressInside 2 years ago
check out 'Roger La Fond' on youtube, ignoring the s'what dated boxing aspects (eg boxing looking a little dated/clumsy) you can see them practising in order, fencing, la canne(the cane/stick fighting-which is viscious and very effective), and then savate kickboxing...all part of one system, which savate is the umbrella term for..
vincent4500 2 years ago 2
Mmm... I thought savate derived from street fighting, from chausson, in particular. I would guess that it only became a gentlemanly sport when it became synthesized with English boxing using Marquis de Queensbury rules; fair tactics, timed rounds, etc are what characterized that style...
carbonlaminate 2 years ago
Ok, savate derived from chausson from the South, which apparently was influenced by sailors who went to the far East and saw sailors over there using there feet on ship to fight...and yes the ENglish influence from boxing is correct but what i meant is that, to quote Bruce Lee, Savate is 'fencing without the sword'..it was influenced refined, alongside 'la canne', and generally part of the 'fencing gentlemans art'...thats what i meant
vincent4500 2 years ago
I doubt the sailors got kicking from the far east. Accounts from Roman authorities detailed the effective kicking and punching arts of Gaulish tribes. A kick is a kick, after all. You don't have to go across the glove to learn how to do it. :)
Kunstdesfechtens 2 years ago 29
Wtf? "kicking and punching" arts of Gaulish tribes??? Where did you read that? There's nothing like that!
templarus1000 2 years ago
It was attested to by the Romans: In 400AD Ammanius Marcellinus wrote about the Gauls: "'In fact a whole band of foreigners will be unable to cope with one of them in a fight, especially if he calls in his wife...poising her huge white arms, begins to rain blows mingled with kicks, like shots discharged by the twisted cords of a catapault."
Kunstdesfechtens 2 years ago
Kunstdesfechtens thanks for your answer. We must consider that Terry Brown reports a passage of a satyric writing of the time. In the IV century A.D., when Marcellinus entered southern Gaul from Italy, Gauls were highly Romanised, they already had Roman arenas where learned luctatio, pancration and gladiatorial fighting systems. Before that, unfortunately, we have no proof to demonstrate that our Gauls knew the art of kicking. No statues, no writings, no paintings. It is sad.
templarus1000 2 years ago
@templarus1000 Kicking is pretty universal. People tend to throw more kicks in sparring if they're afraid of getting punched. It's basic human body mechanics. For example, I study and teach German longsword out of the manuals left by fight masters from Medieval Germany... people often say "hey, that looks like kenjutsu". However, the two arts were developed independantly, just like German kampfringen and koryu jujutsu look a lot alike, but are not related at all. :)
Kunstdesfechtens 2 years ago 2
@Kunstdesfechtens. Interesting theory, but without data we cannot generalize. Let me say that in Gaul, archeologically or historically speaking, there is no proof of kicking methods before the Roman Era. I repeat, absolutely no evidence. On the contrary, about western longsword and eastern kenjutsu there are lots of ancient books, weapons, frescoes etc. so we can say that Europeans and Asians during the Middle Ages knew the art of fencing. I hope this helps.
templarus1000 2 years ago
Hi Templar, it's true there's no hard archeological evidience, but the idea of kicking is pretty darn basic. Might as well say that certain peoples didn't know the art of punching without hard archaelogical evidence. What we do know is that their sword making was incredibly advanced. Presumably they wouldn't bother to make fine weapons if they didn't have spend a lot of time on swordsmanship. (con't)
Kunstdesfechtens 2 years ago
So, given the martial nature of European tribal cultures in general in ancient times and the emphasis on personal glory and ability in combat, it is unlikely that they would neglect anything as obvious as kicking someone when the opportunity arises. Talhoffer's manual from 1467 shows kicking the abdomen and thrusting with a longsword simultaneously, yet again well in advance of contact with Asian MA, though not ancient.
Kunstdesfechtens 2 years ago 3
@templarus1000 Perhaps of interest is the mention in the Tain (tales of Cuchullain) that he uses a weapon "thrown with the foot". I wonder if that might actually have been reference to a foot-strike.
moominpic 1 year ago
@Kunstdesfechtens LMAO WHERE YOU FIND THAT AT!! I CANT FIND ANY SOURCE DEPICTING THAT AT ALL!!
PharaohII 1 year ago
@PharaohII Read the thread. Ammanius Marcellinus (a Roman) who referenced it in about 400 AD.
Kunstdesfechtens 1 year ago
@Kunstdesfechtens True, but then why is kicking so under-represented in European styles. Even something like Devonshire wrestling only kicked to the legs.
moominpic 1 year ago
@moominpic Hi there, I think the reason lies in the "civillian" nature of the art. Earlier arts were military, being the domain of the knightly classes. Both in the judicial duel and on the battlefield, grappling is much more effective due to the possibility of armour. Also, kicks in medieval martial arts don't go above the belly because when fighting trained grapplers, high kicks can get you into big trouble. When armour faded from use, extensive striking became more practical.
Kunstdesfechtens 1 year ago
@Kunstdesfechtens Hi, interesting theory. However, if we consider how strong wrestling was in France, it still asks the questions of why France is the only European country with a major kicking style. I don't doubt there were kicking styles in Europe but considering the places where Savate is/was centred (Paris, Marseilles), it does suggest a wider influence. Although, that also asks why maritime nations such as Britain and Portugal don't have such styles too.
moominpic 1 year ago
@moominpic Also remember that many indigenous European martial arts died out with the advent of reliable gunpowder weapons. We have no way of knowing what was consigned to the dustbin of history. For example, were it not for surviving technical manuals, no one today would know of the German, Italian and Iberian martial arts traditions at all.
Kunstdesfechtens 1 year ago
@Kunstdesfechtens True. I suspect the answer lies midway between. Perhaps a native style was influenced by Asian styles they found abroad. Even capoeira adopted some Asian techniques. Intersting thing, in Cap there are open handed techniques and, I believe, early Savate was also noted for more open hands than fists. Bearing in mind the nature of it, I wonder if that was so you could hold an open blade in the open palm. thoughts/
moominpic 1 year ago
@moominpic Hard to say. No one really knows. The origins of Savate are in Paris and Marseilles, we know that much apparently. Due to the use of shoes, it's not a big stretch at all to think "maybe I should be able to kick somebody in the head with these things". It ain't rocket science, and people are smart. Just because two techniques look alike doesn't mean a common heritage is present.
Kunstdesfechtens 1 year ago
@Kunstdesfechtens True. Guess we'll never know for sure. Talking of shoes, have you ever seen English "purring". Two guys wear big boots and kick the hell out of each others shins. Interestingly, Devonshire wresatling also used shoes (although neighbouring Cornish didn't). Thanks for an interesting and informative discussion.
moominpic 1 year ago
@Kunstdesfechtens , I agree
godawar 1 year ago
@Kunstdesfechtens but the problem is almost all roman arts and roman era greco roman era arts disappera both by law and lack of neccessity. during the dark ages empty hand fighting was useless other than combat grppling(it is uses in conjunction wiht the sword iw german school and italian). im not discrediting the european origin im merely stating that historically it would only come about during the baroque, rococco, classical, and colonial era because ti became uncommon to carry weapons
kaindrg 1 year ago
@Kunstdesfechtens (cont ) in public. and the the civlianized militray arts and foot games would lead to boxing venetian boxing and savate(not entirely french as it was dominate in the mediterrenean). in germany certain schools may even do rapid fire punches like wing chun yet not like wing chun. do i make sense?
kaindrg 1 year ago
@Kunstdesfechtens: You're absolutely right. The Greek art of Pankration also had kicking, and there are terra cotta pots with depictions of kicking in combat, and it's well documented that the Spartans used a stomping type kick in battle.
There is a snobbery and assumption in modern times amongst people who think they know about martial arts that kicking is something that is strictly East Asian. In reality, human bodies are all the same and the way we fight isn't that different at it's core.
WarriorBoy 10 months ago 2
@Kunstdesfechtens That, essentially, was my thesis statement for my term paper.
steve0281 3 months ago
good observation. I think I remember him saying, or maybe it was Dan Inosanto, that he directly borrow the coup de pied chasse. But there *was* viable kickboxing back then, wasn't there? have to think on that one
carbonlaminate 2 years ago
those boxers are died before at least 70 years ago...now they are in the worms stomacs.
meeendjusa 2 years ago
great FOOTage!
fistoffedor 2 years ago 2
I am totaly agree with Hypersite , I whent on the profil of this motherfucker "Codymania1" and i see that you like to box , also you "don't read books" haha dumbass !
But you are lucky little bitch because i live in SanFrancisco and i am ready to do 55 mi to go to Vacaville and i will show you if the french boxing is gay , if you are a men , i will be waiting you on Andrews park the monday 18 at 21, i ll be waiting motherfucker so if you have balls come !
p3x480 2 years ago
You know what codymana1 i am sad for you , and for my country because i am sure that you are american , and it's because of people like you that the rest of the world think we are dumb .
hypersite 2 years ago
looks like fencing
agentyellow34 2 years ago
Savate is actually pretty fucking brutal. It was invented to fight off pirates, you know.
xprovidence 2 years ago 5
Pretty Piere would kick these guy's arse's ;)
SirMetaKnight6 3 years ago
damn...lol
Caveman1006 3 years ago
buen video, como hubiese la oportunidad de que estos archivos sean escaneados y digitalizados para ver la técnica de los antiguos maestros de Savate
Gunsalv 3 years ago
Holy shit!!!! 1894? What the fuck went wrong with the world? Doesn't look that out of place now... really incredible stuff...kind of makes the Queensbury Rules a joke lol
Why has it not evolved into a major Art..it stole the lead on many of today's Arts.....amazing...
ReligionSux 3 years ago 5
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its jus like tai kwon do, gay
codymana1 3 years ago
nope, you got to love clueless people
cheers
fasima 3 years ago
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really, wats so great about it dumbass
codymana1 3 years ago
There's plenty great about it, question is what the hell is homosexual about kicking someone in the head? :p
Shindai 3 years ago 3
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because they kick like girls, its not like muay thai, look at these fucking frogs, the sport is gay
codymana1 3 years ago
It's sad that any time I read the words "Muay Thai" in a comment on YouTube I know there is a ninety-nine percent chance that the commenter is a 12 year old puke who knows fuck all about martial arts. Go ahead and type "Kick To The Head Knockout in MMA" into your Search box on Youtube, and you'll see that a roundhouse kick to the head is just as effective today as it was in 1894.
LouisLeMort 2 years ago 4
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actually dumbass, fuck muay thai, fuck martial arts in general, im a boxer, not a mma duche bag, and fyi, im a man, not some 12 year old poser like you
codymana1 2 years ago
You're hilarious buddy. You're not a boxer, you're a wannabe. And you're not a man, you're a sad joke with the spelling ability of five year old. At least you admit you know nothing about martial arts.
LouisLeMort 2 years ago 3
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sorry i dont dress up in pjs and yell keeyaie all day, i do a mans sport not like you and your french faggot ass savate
codymana1 2 years ago
This really great.
johjoz 3 years ago
That is so cool to see men in action that lived over a hundred years ago
eddiedaskull 3 years ago 2
Looks a lot like fencing, althought with your body.
Complicatorius 3 years ago
Excellent rarity!
Merci.
CorbusierPuche 3 years ago