All have sinned and greatly offended the holy God of the bible. The just punishment is death then hell. That's not Gods will. He suffered and died on the cross paying for the law you broke in His life's blood so He could legally dismiss your case. You must repent turn from sin and trust alone in Jesus Christ for your salvation.
Mormon haters today, oh they wish for the time of the Mobs again of the tars and feathers, oh they wish for Governor Boggs to lead them to the destruction of the saints in his extermination order, oh they wish to see the burnings of a Temple and homes, and the killings of innocent men as Joseph Smith and his Brother Hyram without trial. Oh they wish to see the raping of Mormon woman in front of there children, just like the days of old. Oh how, I wish those haters could meet PORTER ROCKWELL.
yes, it was years ago while wlater martin was alive and he began addressing the issue and was invited on TBN he and the host discussed the issue and the host agreed with him, the host later was removed and Paul Crouch made a response apparently giving his answer to Martin along with Kenneth and Gloria Copeland declaring he was a little god, Martin later passed away and since then TBN has shown their full little god colors-its amazing how large this heresy has become and how well its accepted.
I Did not hear About Dr. Walter martin Until Twenty Years After His Death But He has Bin a Blessing to me and others I now Pastors Who Still Use His Books In there Teachings and Discipleship Programs Today
@777igg I was wacthing when Paul and Jan brought him on TBN when he bold faced stopped the we are gods in their tracks -the cancelled the replay telecast on him and got rid of the host that agreed with him, then Paul Crouch got on their with Copeland and Gloria and said critque be silenced "I am a little god, copeland said yes, and Gloria smiled-they ben at it ever since-where are the men and women of God to stand against this mainstream heresy today "rise up church".
He can not possibly know what he really saying. I am Christian--which simply means that I CONFESSED MY SINS TO GOD, ACKNOWLEDGED HIS SON JESUS CHRIST AS MY SAVIOR AND WHAT HE DID ON CALVARY, BELIEVED IN MY HEART THAT I AM FORGIVING OF MY SINS AND SAVED BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST! AND YEARS AFTER THAT I RECIEVED THE HOLY SPIRIT--READ ACTS IS YOU DON'T KNOW!----SAVED-CHRISTIAN-REPENTING AND CHANGING THE WAY I THINK DAILY!
This guy calls people Cult leaders or in a Cult like he is not in one himself lol. If he is so wise he should study who wrote the gospels lol Or why did Jesus say Abiathar was king in Mark 2 when he was not at all, so here we have a problem. The Gospel of JN was wrote by a Greek who had to prove 'Christ was Deity' 100 years later lol This so called Gospel of John was wrote by some Greek we do not know.
@daytonohiofellowship No, he said that Abiathar was the high priest at the time David ate the consecrated bread. High priest- not king. You need to humble yourself and pay attention to more serious scholars who don't settle for merely mocking something, before they study it.
@daytonohiofellowship No, he said that Abiathar was the high priest at the time David ate the consecrated bread. High priest- not king. You need to humble yourself and pay attention to more serious scholars who don't settle for merely mocking something, before they study it.
the christian God YHWH has killed more than the Quran ever has. It has more killings and tells to kill for many reasons. The Christians are no better they killed 1000s in the Dark Ages lol. Guy YHWH / ALAH are Both FALSE DEITY, we have no clue who God is or even if there is one at all.
Why someone will exchange Holy Bible statement and to believe in Quran statement? Quran it is a book made in order to attack Christian and inspire hates against us. Quran came 6 century after the Holy Bible. Jesus(God's son) inspire us to love and Mohamed(Murder) ispire muslim people hate God's people. You need accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
157- and their saying: surely we have killed the messiah, isa(Jesus) son of marium(Mary), the apostle of allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and the killed him not for sure.
158- Nay! Allah took him up to himself; and Allah is mighty, wise.
159- And there is not one of the followers of the book but most certainly believes in this before his death, and on the day of resurrection he (isa) shall be a witness against them.
160- Wherefore for the iniquity of those who are jaws did we disallow to them the good things which had been made lawful for them, and for their hindering many (people) from Allah’s way.
Jesus answered: “if I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my father that glorifies me, he who you say is your god; 55- and yet you have not know him. But I know him. And if I said I do not know him I should be like you, a liar.
Do you imagine I came to give peace on the earth? No, indeed, I tell you, but rather division.52-for from now on there will be five in one house divided, three against two and two against three. 53-they will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against her mother, and mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother –in-law.
Trinity or unitarianism could be justified by the New Testament. There is a trend as the stories get thicker and heavier as they go that trinitarinism is pushed by the authors. For the gospels, Mark is a simple story about a simple man. As the stories go, Jesus' legend gets bigger and bigger until he is a virtual supergodman by the book of John.
I take what Paul says with a grain of salt. His complete lack of knowledge of Jesus' life and what he said shows the lack of credibility of Paul.
The Jewish people do not believe in polytheism, in direct contrast to traditional Christians. Sorry Christians, use whatever semantics you want- you believe in polytheism. The Jewish people don't recognize a trinity and many other Christian creations, like eternal punishment. What a vile evil being it would take to create that concept!!
What a snake oil salesman Martin is! I'm not here to defend whom he is attacking. The bible, especially the New Testament, is BULLSHIT. There may have been a Jesus and he probably was one of the MANY apocalyptic itinerant rabbis running around early 1st century Palestine. "God" didn't write it. Paul wrote most of the epistles, along the way contradicting the Old Testament and forgetting those things attributed of Jesus. Very telling since Paul supposedly hung out with zombie Jesus.
"Science"means knowledge. I back up my claim with the Bible understood spiritually and with my healing experience. "GOD is of purer eyes than to behold iniquity." Since the entire material creation opposes Spirit, the divine Principle, GOD, knows nothing human or material. But the human Jesus did know this false plane of existence in order to start its regeneration by his healing. His few followers are healers who carry on the process of redeeming the material plane through healing.
And when Allah will say: o isa (Jesus) son of marium (Mary)! Did you say to men, take me and my mother for two gods beside allah, he will say: glory be to thee, it did not befit me that I should say what I had no right to (say); if I had said it, thou wouldst indeed have known it; thou knowest what is in my mind, and I do not know what is in thy mind, surely thou art the great knower of the unseen things
1 Peter 3:15 "But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect."
Yes, there is one GOD and Jesus isn't Him/Her. The good and pure Christ Jesus was the Son of God which we all can be if we correct our thinking and demonstrate our perfect spiritual natures like Jesus scientifically taught us to do.
@Lovingvictory1 how on earth did you find anything of scientific meaning in the bible? ive read it cover to cover and never once noticed any kind of science at work....
@gamiezion Hydrological cycle Job 36: 27-18, Amos 9:6; Air has weight Job 28-25; Jet stream Ecclesiastes 1:6; Ocean currents Psalm 8:8, Isaiah 43:16. There are actually many more. If you'd like I would be more than happe to either give you links or to paste them here.
@spectersparten let me refine my qeustion: where in the bible are these events mentioned for what they are by scientific means? :) because anyone can point at something and make a sensible statement, especially in hindsight. and lets not be coy by denying the bible is incredibly vague about scientific principles at best
@gamiezion Ecc 1:6 The wind goes toward the south, And turns around to the north; The wind whirls about continually, And comes again on its circuit. Job 36:27-29 For He draws up drops of water, Which distill as rain from the mist, Which the clouds drop down And pour abundantly on man. Indeed, can anyone understand the spreading of clouds, The thunder from His canopy?
@spectersparten where does it mention the sun heating said seas, so clouds are formed, which are then carried via several distinct processes ack to the mountains?
@gamiezion Haha so are you ignoring what it does say by stating several things that it doesn't? Where in the Bible does it state the phseudostratafied epithelial cells in the throat produce mucus that prevents contaminents in the air from getting to our lungs? No where. Does that make the Bible a book whcih is not scientifically accurate in what it says given its perameters? No. :)
@gamiezion However what it does obviously say, and which no person could have known back then with their technology, were the jet stream systems of rotating air. Or that water evaporates into a gas, condenses and falls back down again as rain and, in fact, most of the water cycle. Or that, unlike the pagans of the time, the thunder comes from the clouds and not some spirit in the sky. It also mentions ocean currents which weren't discovered untill the last 200 years.
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God... 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,
John 5:17,18 - “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. Titus 2:13 - looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ
Bible verses that say Jesus is God (YHWH). Matthew 1:23 - “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.” Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
@spectersparten just to crack this verse: dont you think mary couldve cheated on josef, but didnt want to tell him, which would be why she told everyone the conception was imaculate? :)
anyway, i find it hard to believe for people who wait for sex untill marriage (if even the ancient jews and cristians did) can hold it in for the many years josef and mary were undoutedly married.
@gamiezion If you had read your bible then you would already know that Joseph was planning on divorcing her because she was pregnant but then a dream came to him in which he was told to not be affraid and to take her as his wife. In truth it has nothing to do with what Mary said.
As for the second bit I don't think I quite understand. The two eventually had other children after Jesus like James who eventaully became an apostle. Waiting till marriage it possible and that I promise you ;)
And do remember to please use Bible verses when explaining this to me because if the Bible is the Word of God, as we agree, and if it is inspired and infalible, then it should be the measure of all things.
@MrMZaccone Give me an example of it being edited, torn apart, and translated into such a questionable status that you grant it. Just curious. You see every time I've asked someone to explain things that relate to inconsistencies in the Bible they never hold water.
@spectersparten Let's start right at the biginning. Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form and void" The word translated as "was" is "hayah" from the hebrew and indicates a new condition resulting from a previous state. A better translation would be "became without form and void". Chances are if I can find a mistranslation in the second verse of genesis I can surely find a whole bunch more don't you think? Hold your water with that.
@MrMZaccone Let us examine this supposed mistranslation. From Gensis 1 to 2, God spoke the world and universe into existence. After He did so it became something without form and darkness was over the face of the deep. What is the mistranslation? God spoke it into existence and it became (therefore was) without form. Its previous state being non existence. It is translated "was" for flow and there is no contradiction of meaning. Give me another please.
@spectersparten "It's previous state being non-existence" OK, you can go back into your cuckoo clock now 'cause you're nuts. The change in meaning of this mistake is obvious in that it indicates his "creation" of the world was not from nothing to something and therefore not "creation" in the true sense. But, you go on denying any evidence at all that there could be anything here that effects your faith. That's what you people do.
@MrMZaccone You are saying that it implies a prior existence. That is your interpretation which is a misinterpretation because you do not take into context the very first verse. This is cherry picking. When read in context it reads that God spoke it into existence and what he spoke was something that was (It became or was made) without shape and void. In context, the traditional reading and interpretation holds. So please, give me another problem with the Bible.
@spectersparten No, it would appear you've missed the point entirely, although in my opinion deliberately obtuse would be a better discription. Don't worry about it. You and your imaginary friend run along and play now.
@MrMZaccone Well since there is no conclusion agreed on by us both, please move on to another "error" in the doctrine of Christ and of God. If I am "deliberately obtuse" then this is me deliberately asking you to show me wrong and being open to whatever you say but also open to wherever the truth leads. As George Washington once said, there is but one straight coarse and that is to seek truth and pursue it steadily. What do you think is true?
@MrMZaccone One final thing. If this is indeed the extent of "mistranslation"that such a wide and great number of skeptics cling to then I am all the more confident in the love of Christ for them and for myself. God bless.
I don't know about any one else, but I think a cult is a term that means something other than, those that don't agree with us about what the bible says. Just a thought.
However we find in many cases good intentions tainted by misunderstanding and misinterpretation. In some cases it is true that we find at the root an intentional or malevolent attempt to control and decieve.
However In all cases the single greatest warning sign is when we are admonished to relinquish our power of reason and intellect and simply follow without discernment. Observe the question posed at 7:13 and the answer given.
However usually we find in most cases good intentions tainted by misunderstanding and misinterpretation. In some cases it is true that we find at the root an intentional and/or malevolent attempt to control and decieve.
In all cases the single greatest warning sign is when we are admonished to relinquish our power of reason and intellect and simply follow without discernment. Pay attention to the question posed at 7:13, and the answer given.
@LDStothecore In all respect I need to ask, where, in the Bible, are we told to pray about matters such as other scriptures and different gospels. The Bible says in 2 Corinthians 11:4 bearing a different gospel (which the mormons indeed do) or a different Jesus (which the mormons most certainly do) that it is wrong. In verse 14 we read about the devil being disguised as an angel of light which bears a frightening resemblance to how the mormon doctrine was recieved. Are we to pray or to think?
@spectersparten James says if we lack wisdom, we should ask God. To me that means prayer. It doesn't say specifically what we can pray about, but we can pray for wisdom about any topic. Your angel of light referrence is way overused by all you antis. That doesn't mean that every angel is necessarily the devil.
@LDStothecore To start off, thanks for being respectful in your response haha. I would like the chapter and verse. Now let me say I don't think prayer is incorrect for it is indeed the air one should breath, but as God has said in 1Thes. 5:21 we should test every spirit. How do we test a "spirit" and what is a "spirit"? I'd suppose it to be a spiritual conviction or beliefe. To test it one asks for revelation via prayer and looks to what has already been revealed i.e. scripture.
@LDStothecore And scripturally speaking (scripture being the Bible) the Mormon scriptures (D and C, POGP, et. al.) they do not line up. The gospel spoken by the Mormons is not that of the Bible. And we are told that if someone comes preaching a new gospel, or even if it delivered by something appearing as an angel of light, we should be cautious and examine to a great detail. This, when applied to Mormon doctrine, disproves it. If you would like examples I would be happy to give some. Thanks agn
@LDStothecore Okay. One is the matter of physical evidence. The Bible is correct for one reason, because God spoke it. Since it is correct, we expect physical remnants of the events that can mark history. things like cities, countries, battle remnants, historical figures etc. The Bible stands well in this light where it can. The Book of Mormon, however, does not. The cities described are not found anywhere. The artifacts mentioned aren't seen or discovered.
@LDStothecore So another question, do you agree that there is nothing in the study of history that has shown the story of Mormon to be true? And to answer your question: Jerusalem still exists to this day, Bethlehem still exists to this day (as well as most of the old and new testament cities), there is evidence of many old and new testament people like Jesus, through Josephus and others, David and Solomon, with David's palace and the temple mount, The red sea, Egypt all exist and much more.
@spectersparten Basically all of the civilizations mentioned in the Bible, like the cannanites, the jebusites, the babylonians, the egyptians, the romans, the greeks, the jews, the persians all existed and we know that they do. You have but to google images of Rome and see the remnants of the Romans and in Greece we find the Greek ruins. In Israel we find Jewish artifacts and cities. The creation of western civilization depends on them all. If you would like to, though, we can focus on doctrine.
@spectersparten Can you prove the Red Sea was opened by Moses? Can you prove the existence of the Arc of the Covenant or the tablets Moses received? I don't need to see or touch to believe. I have faith and the Spirit. Do you not have faith?
@LDStothecore I cannot, and on this I do have faith and believe that it did. But (HUGE but) I believe this because it is reasonable to do so. The things that can be proven at this time are (ex. The red sea actually existing, the civilizations mentioned, artifacts and cities and people etc.). In this provable aspect the Bible stands firm but the BOM does not. We would expect to find the same sort of the thing with the BOM, evidence speaking, in at least a few areas, but that is not what is found.
@LDStothecore No, I'm a truth seeker. Like George Washington once said, "There is but one straight coarse and that is to seek truth and pursue it steadily." As a Christian I believe Christ is the Truth and therefore in seeking Him I will understand this world, myself, and Him all the more. Signs and wonders, these things aren't always true and can be misleading. Truth, however, is objective, yet it is tangible and if sought will also seek the one who does the seeking i.e. God answers haha :).
@LDStothecore Why is central to your faith? Because He lived a perfectly moral life and no one has ever lived better than He? This is all well and good, but what use was his living so perfectly if not to save us from something? If Jesus is our saviour, then what is He the saviour from? Please, I ask, use Bible verses, because mere opinion and philosophy is of the world and not of God. Even a satanist can live a "good moral" life, but this is nothing if a person isn't saved Rom 3:10, Isaiah 64:6.
@spectersparten I don't care if you want to fight all the time just because I am LDS. You don't use Bible references to prove the unprovable. You cannot question my allegiance to Jesus Christ. It's obvious you don't care, just want to tear people down.
@LDStothecore Friend, don't mistake my intentions. I long for Truth and I only want others to see it. This world is a battle ground and a war. In as much as a brother longs to bring his comrade through battle alive so do I long that others might become my brothers and sisters and live. Ecclesiastes says that there is a time to break down and a time to build up. Some things, like falce beliefes must be torn down so that Truth and people can be built upon the Rock of Christ.
@spectersparten You've given many scriptures, I admire your knowledge of God's word. Wondering what your interpretation of Revelations 22:18-19, may be? ie: books written in the name of God, but written by the hand of man? God bless you, you live agape!
@shadey538 My interpretation is just as plain as the text. If a person adds or subtracts anything from the word of God then they are choosing eternal seperation from God in hell (this being the curse mentioned in the text). Though man may er in his interpretation of scripture do to lack of wisdom, if the man is seeking Go truly his mistaken will be made aparent to him. However if a man's intention is to pervert the word and not seek truth, then curse... yeah. haha. Why do you ask?
@LDStothecore That's something that needs to be justified if you want other people to believe what you say or agree with it. I can justify my beliefes via His Word, being the Bible, which contains everything I believe.
@spectersparten HI, You seemed to have my question, in this reply! HIS Word, the Holy Bible, is the only I read, the only one I will seek God's knowledge from. Anything else, in my personal thoughts, has altered the true word of God. Is not of God. Will never be of God! I agree completely with you! God bless you in ALL things. I can do ALL things through Christ....oh, you know the rest!
@LDStothecore And lastly I would like to admit that yes, there are indeed some things in the Bible that cannot be proven via sciences such as objective morality or the very existence of God. But what we prove and what we can see are that there are indeed things that do exist regardless of being able to be proven scientifically. It is indeed moraly wrong to kill and that is objective. If God did exist, then we would expect to see natural signs of His existence. This in fact, is what we can prove.
@LDStothecore I did not say I could. I said I can't prove God exists. Instead I said we can prove the things that we would expect to see given that the God of the Bible would exist (ex. evidence of creation and design, the historical accounts being accurate in the ways that they can be proven, the preservation of scripture throughout time, etc evidences past given and more). Since we do find these evidences faith is also reasonable in concluding that the God of the Bible is true.
@LDStothecore If you don't agree with what I just said then please give examples of where we have found ancient cities as mentioned by the mormons. Where do we find the peoples? Why are they not mentioned in the history books? Regardless of how anti fundamentalist they have become, there is much mention of ancient Biblical cities and civilizations and artifacts. To this day many of these things still exist that are mentioned in Biblical Christianity.
@LDStothecore From the Bible. I have already given you a verse or two on Biblical teaching which contradicts that which the Bible teaches and how we shouldn't believe it. Let us turn to the claims of Mormonism. I first need to ask some questions. Do you believe that man can become a god? Do believe that as man is God once was? Do you believe that we merit God's graces and goodness by our actions and works? Do you believe the Bible is the innerant Word of God? Who is Jesus to you?
@spectersparten You have not given anything from the Bible that contradicts LDS doctrine. Jesus is my Savior. And you obviously don't understand grace and works, just like most antis. Do you even want to understand what we believe?
@LDStothecore I believe I asked what you believe. I HOPE to understand you by the answers that you would give. With the answers I could continue without assumption and without speculation and you could clear up anything that would be missunderstood by me. I really would like to know your answers to the questions. One step at a time so that we may speak clearly and with understanding. Once your done answering the questions then I can show you where the Bible may differ.
@LDStothecore They were listed below. Let me restate. Who is Jesus in your eyes? Is he the spirit brother of satan or is he almighty God from everlasting? Can man become a god? Was God (YHWH) once as man is now, created, and can man be as God (YHWH) is (creator, father, etc)? Is the Bible innerant in it's entirity? Does man merit salvation (being entry into Heaven which is eternal presence with God)? What is Heaven? If there is anything else that you would like to add, go right ahead. thanks :D!
@spectersparten It seems you only want to argue. I already told you Jesus is my Savior, the Son of God. He is our spirit brother as is Lucifer. We are all brothers and sisters. Makes perfect sense. Yes, we can have all that God has. The Bible even says so. We LDS do NOT believe our works save us, as you all like to think we believe.
@LDStothecore In a way I would like to argue my case, but not so much argue as define why I believe differently than you and this in a respectful and loving way if that's possible haha. Would you be alright with me explaining what I believe to you and why I don't agree with what you believe? I'm not going to force it on anyone. Know that my intentions are loving in that I want to express what God has said in the propper sense and to clarify what is misunderstood.
@spectersparten I am fine with that. I have just had so many bad experiences with opponents to the LDS church. Many are extremely rude, but I am fine listening or explaining my beliefs.
@LDStothecore So where, in the Bible, is this claim verified, that satan, Jesus, and mankind are all spirit brothers? To you it may, but not to me. As I read it satan fell from heaven as did those sons of God (which means angels btw not spirit children born of a spirit mother) when they supposed that they could surmount God Luke 10:18; 2 peter 2:4 and therefore they must suffer eternal seperation from God in hell Matt 25:41; Jude 6.
@spectersparten I hope you are aware that the Bible says that not everything Jesus did and said is in the Bible. Your interpretation that angels are those that fell is your opinion. No evidence of this.
@LDStothecore Friend it isn't just an interpretation, it is a logical conclusion of which the Jews of the past and now Christians maintain. The Bible verse I gave you attest to this. It takes thought to understand but it is logical when taken from an objective stand point and viewing. Show, by Biblical scripture that the devil is a spirit brother of Jesus, this would be my challenge, that and read the verses I gave you and see that it isn't opinion bu Bilical Truth.
@spectersparten What it reall takes to understand is the Spirit. Again, not all is written in the Bible. I don't know that it says that Satan is our brother, but I know by the Spirit of God that it is true. Your interpretation is just that, like I said. Deny it if you like, but just your word is not sufficient.
@LDStothecore But you see, friend, it isn't my word, but God's Word that I go by. Don't you have faith that He gave us a scripture and in that enough for us to build our faith off of? Romans 10:17 "So faith comes from hearing, and hearing from the Word of Christ.". The Spirit of God doesn't contradict Himself with the Word of God.
@LDStothecore Then just explain this verse to my by using the Word of God. John 3:18 "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the ONLY Son of God."
@LDStothecore And where is this interpretation backed up with other scripture? (I'm not denying that He was the only one of His sort... but He always is and always will be and always was haha. Since... well... Jesus is God, the Word, become flesh. Eternal YHWH in the flesh). Would you be alright with me back my claims up after you back yours up?
@LDStothecore Funny you should quote Hebrews 1. Note verse 8-9 "[8 ] But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. [9 ] You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”
So Jesus says to God that God, God's God, has anointed Him. Jesus (God) anoints God.
@LDStothecore Of equal interest is John 3:18 "[18 ] Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the ONLY Son of God." (Emphasis added respectfuly). People misinterpret "Son of God" to mean sexually reproduced and created child of God whether that be spirit or not, but the Bible does not claim this. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
@spectersparten If you don't want to believe what I do, that's up to you. You should just worship like you want and stop bashing the beliefs of others.
@LDStothecore If Christ is Truth then there is only one Way to salvation. "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father but through me." John 14:6. It's not bashing someone's beliefs, rather it is testifying to the Truth. As Martin Luther once said, God help me. Here I stand. I can do no other. Amen.
@LDStothecore I testify to the Truth which is the Word revealed in the Bible. The Truth shines into the dark and the dark has not overcome it. What you believe is not the same as the Truth. This is not my saying but the Word's. I am simply testifying of the Truth. If Love has me and there is no fear in Love then I am not to be affraid of anything. I'm not perfect but I have a mustard seed of faith. A free gift of God's. I ask questions. I knock. How about you?
@spectersparten It's funny that you people constantly attack our beliefs. The attacks started in 1820 and continue today and I assume they will never stop, but the Truth of God will never be stopped. I ask questions also, but I know where Truth is found.
@LDStothecore Yes, I know. John 21:25. This is true. However, if everything were written down, we would expect it to agree this is not what we find. More on that later.
@LDStothecore Thank you for clarifying the works thing. However, do you believe that our works are the reason why some get to be gods? Off of that, do you believe that there exist other gods, or spirit beings that inhabit the same status as the God of the old testament? Your answer with "we can have all that God has" wasn't so clear to me so I apologize. I just don't want to misinterpret you.
@LDStothecore James 2:14-26 faith without works is dead, I agree. However, this must fit in with Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:". Romans 5:1 links it together by saying that since we are saved we rejoice. This rejoicing is doing the works of God. Faith changes a man's heart creating a good and new plant that produces good fruit. It is a costly grace as Dietrich Bonhoeffer put it. Is costs us everything.
@gamiezion I'll be the first to say that yes there are many versions of the Bible (just fyi I am not LDS, not sure if you've picked that up yet). Some versions are messed up. We know they are messed up because we have ancient versions of the Bible (dead sea scrolls and the new testament) from which to determine a correct interpretation. However, there are many great Bibles out there and in fact I would say that most of them maintain the same meanings behind each verse and as a whole.
the popes would sacrifice and eat babies on the altar. this is why they say 'haBABEm papam' also, it is why catholics go to abortion clinics, to retrieve dead babies from dumpsters to send to the pope
Psalm 82:6 "I said, "You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High" and John 10:34 "Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’?"
(5:69) (Know well, none has an exclusive claim to the Truth.) For all those who believe in Allah and in the Last Day and do good deeds - be they either believers, Jews, Sabaeans or Christians - neither fear shall fall upon them, nor shall they have any reason to grieve.99
this man is so full of himself.i heard him descuss the witches.o boy did he think that only he was right.please,ok if you are against cults that kill like jim jones but paganism was way way before christianity.and the bible has many many pagan things in it.yet they keep on being in denial.
@witchcerridwen To worship the god & goddess-venus,the huntress,etc.-it's idolatry7worshipping other gods before Yawheh.They are just demons,not gods.Jesus loves witches though.Aliester Crowley & Anton Levay could have been saved.Granted,they were satanists&Levay said wiccans were cowards but still.Jesus loves you.As long as there's life in you you can be saved
@MetalEvangelion777 yahweh is just another god.a vulcanogod.and about anton la veys death bed we have a lot of stories.patricia king doesnt have a source yet she claims what his last words were.he died instantly by an accident.du to a curse that his daughter put on him.his religion is diffrent from ours so i dont really care what he thinks.read the OT and be honest is that a loving god?thats my problem with him.bb
@witchcerridwen I wasn't talking about Levay's death bed.I said he COULD have been saved if he would have repented.&God only killed like 3 ppl himself in the Old Testament besides the flood&they were evil ppl.Jesus can be found all throughout the old testament.The New Testament reveals the Old testament.I'm 50%Scandinavian Vikking&I'm Christian.satan,mankind&demons are to blame.I don't get how ppl believe in curses&Magick&gods&goddesses but not Jesus?Jesus is God Incarnate.I don't judge you btw.
Zechariah 2:10-11 (KJV) 10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, LO I COME, and I WILL DWELL IN THE MIDST OF THEE, SAITH THE LORD. 11 And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be MY PEOPLE and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD OF HOSTS HATH SENT ME UNTO THEE
I saw several lists of the top Christian apologists that have ever lived and Walter Martin (or his book Kingdom of the Cults) is always found on those lists. It is because of people willing to defend the Christian faith like him that led me out of Mormonism. He was definitely one of many faithful followers of Christ that said the Gospel was too important and precious to be hijacked by so-called Christians or Christian cults.
i have fond memories fo listening to walter martin, he definatly helped me with the understanding of the scriptures and how the cults opperate,i personly thanks the good lord for people like him who has studied to show them self approved,a true defender of the gospel.shalom.
the only difference between religion and cults is that cults tend to be new and less socially acceptable and religions have many people in their old, huge, and well funded cults.
the only difference between religion and cults is that cults tend to be new and less socially acceptable and religions have many people in their old, huge, and well funded cults.
the only difference between religion and cults is that cults tend to be new and less socially acceptable and religions have many people in their old, huge, and well funded cults.
the only difference between religion and cults is that cults tend to be new and less socially acceptable and religions have many people in their old, huge, and well funded cults.
@DIBBY40 I am not aware of any mainstream fundamentalist denomination that doesn't allow it's members to read the Bible and intrepret it for themselves .. Most, if not all, mainstream fundamentalist churchs have frequent word studies and guest speakers/teachers as well as individual Bible studies outside of the church environment ... No church I have ever attended intreperted the Bible for me ... EVERY church I ever attended strongly suggested that I study the Bible frequently and independently.
@DIBBY40 Just to set the record straight: the Watchtower Society doesn't just intrepret (reintrepret) the Bible ... C.T. Russell rewrote important sections, changed concepts and contexts .. The version of the Bible that the JWs use is nearly unrecognizable as the Bible in many verses and passages .. Charles Taze Russell had a point to make, he used a reintrepretaton of scripture to make that point .. It probably sucks to be him now.
Kingdom Of The Cults by Walter Martin; great book; exposing cults backed by Scripture.
grannygrunt1000 1 month ago
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All have sinned and greatly offended the holy God of the bible. The just punishment is death then hell. That's not Gods will. He suffered and died on the cross paying for the law you broke in His life's blood so He could legally dismiss your case. You must repent turn from sin and trust alone in Jesus Christ for your salvation.
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youneekk 4 months ago
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Mormon haters today, oh they wish for the time of the Mobs again of the tars and feathers, oh they wish for Governor Boggs to lead them to the destruction of the saints in his extermination order, oh they wish to see the burnings of a Temple and homes, and the killings of innocent men as Joseph Smith and his Brother Hyram without trial. Oh they wish to see the raping of Mormon woman in front of there children, just like the days of old. Oh how, I wish those haters could meet PORTER ROCKWELL.
scottwins2 5 months ago
yes, it was years ago while wlater martin was alive and he began addressing the issue and was invited on TBN he and the host discussed the issue and the host agreed with him, the host later was removed and Paul Crouch made a response apparently giving his answer to Martin along with Kenneth and Gloria Copeland declaring he was a little god, Martin later passed away and since then TBN has shown their full little god colors-its amazing how large this heresy has become and how well its accepted.
42cody1 8 months ago
I Did not hear About Dr. Walter martin Until Twenty Years After His Death But He has Bin a Blessing to me and others I now Pastors Who Still Use His Books In there Teachings and Discipleship Programs Today
777igg 8 months ago
@777igg I was wacthing when Paul and Jan brought him on TBN when he bold faced stopped the we are gods in their tracks -the cancelled the replay telecast on him and got rid of the host that agreed with him, then Paul Crouch got on their with Copeland and Gloria and said critque be silenced "I am a little god, copeland said yes, and Gloria smiled-they ben at it ever since-where are the men and women of God to stand against this mainstream heresy today "rise up church".
42cody1 8 months ago
@42cody1 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump brother. Thigns ahve gotten much worse.
thesacredcowtipper 8 months ago
@thesacredcowtipper so true.
42cody1 8 months ago
@42cody1 What are you trying to say here Cody? Do you watch TBN and someone said they were little gods?
Sandi216 8 months ago
what year is this
his toupee looks ridiculous
Bosley hair transplant can help and is not a cult
silentfades 8 months ago
He can not possibly know what he really saying. I am Christian--which simply means that I CONFESSED MY SINS TO GOD, ACKNOWLEDGED HIS SON JESUS CHRIST AS MY SAVIOR AND WHAT HE DID ON CALVARY, BELIEVED IN MY HEART THAT I AM FORGIVING OF MY SINS AND SAVED BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST! AND YEARS AFTER THAT I RECIEVED THE HOLY SPIRIT--READ ACTS IS YOU DON'T KNOW!----SAVED-CHRISTIAN-REPENTING AND CHANGING THE WAY I THINK DAILY!
globalhealth4 8 months ago
@globalhealth4 So, what is your objection to what Dr. Martin said in the video?
sorenkierkegaard2008 4 months ago
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@globalhealth4 So, what is your objection to what Dr. Martin said in the video?
sorenkierkegaard2008 4 months ago
@globalhealth4 So, what is your specific objection to what Dr. Martin said in the video?
sorenkierkegaard2008 4 months ago
This guy calls people Cult leaders or in a Cult like he is not in one himself lol. If he is so wise he should study who wrote the gospels lol Or why did Jesus say Abiathar was king in Mark 2 when he was not at all, so here we have a problem. The Gospel of JN was wrote by a Greek who had to prove 'Christ was Deity' 100 years later lol This so called Gospel of John was wrote by some Greek we do not know.
daytonohiofellowship 8 months ago
@daytonohiofellowship Where did you go to school?
thesacredcowtipper 8 months ago
@daytonohiofellowship No, he said that Abiathar was the high priest at the time David ate the consecrated bread. High priest- not king. You need to humble yourself and pay attention to more serious scholars who don't settle for merely mocking something, before they study it.
sorenkierkegaard2008 4 months ago
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@daytonohiofellowship No, he said that Abiathar was the high priest at the time David ate the consecrated bread. High priest- not king. You need to humble yourself and pay attention to more serious scholars who don't settle for merely mocking something, before they study it.
sorenkierkegaard2008 4 months ago
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the christian God YHWH has killed more than the Quran ever has. It has more killings and tells to kill for many reasons. The Christians are no better they killed 1000s in the Dark Ages lol. Guy YHWH / ALAH are Both FALSE DEITY, we have no clue who God is or even if there is one at all.
daytonohiofellowship 8 months ago
Why someone will exchange Holy Bible statement and to believe in Quran statement? Quran it is a book made in order to attack Christian and inspire hates against us. Quran came 6 century after the Holy Bible. Jesus(God's son) inspire us to love and Mohamed(Murder) ispire muslim people hate God's people. You need accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
PrOHomemDeDeus 9 months ago
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daytonohiofellowship 8 months ago
Did they kill Jesus? Quran:
(Surah-4-the women-vs-156)
And for their unbelief and for their having uttered against marium (Mary) a grievous calumny.
quranresponse 10 months ago
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157- and their saying: surely we have killed the messiah, isa(Jesus) son of marium(Mary), the apostle of allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and the killed him not for sure.
quranresponse 10 months ago
158- Nay! Allah took him up to himself; and Allah is mighty, wise.
159- And there is not one of the followers of the book but most certainly believes in this before his death, and on the day of resurrection he (isa) shall be a witness against them.
160- Wherefore for the iniquity of those who are jaws did we disallow to them the good things which had been made lawful for them, and for their hindering many (people) from Allah’s way.
quranresponse 10 months ago
John-ch-8-vs-54
Jesus answered: “if I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my father that glorifies me, he who you say is your god; 55- and yet you have not know him. But I know him. And if I said I do not know him I should be like you, a liar.
quranresponse 10 months ago
John-ch-10-vs-25
Jesus answered them: “I told you, and yet you do not believe. The works that I am doing in the name of my father, these bear witness about me.
quranresponse 10 months ago
John-ch-11-vs-41
Now Jesus raised his eyes heavenward and said: “father, I thank you that you have heard me.
quranresponse 10 months ago
John-ch-14-vs-28 (Jesus speaking)
Because the father is greater than I am.
quranresponse 10 months ago
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John-ch-20-vs-17(Jesus speaking)
I am ascending to my father and your father and to my god and your god.
quranresponse 10 months ago
Did Jesus come for peace?
Mattew-ch-10-vs-34
Do not think I came to put peace upon the earth, I came to put, not peace, but a sword.
35- For I cam to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother-in-law.
quranresponse 10 months ago
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Did Jesus come for peace?
Luke-ch-12-vs-51
Do you imagine I came to give peace on the earth? No, indeed, I tell you, but rather division.52-for from now on there will be five in one house divided, three against two and two against three. 53-they will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against her mother, and mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother –in-law.
quranresponse 10 months ago
Trinity or unitarianism could be justified by the New Testament. There is a trend as the stories get thicker and heavier as they go that trinitarinism is pushed by the authors. For the gospels, Mark is a simple story about a simple man. As the stories go, Jesus' legend gets bigger and bigger until he is a virtual supergodman by the book of John.
I take what Paul says with a grain of salt. His complete lack of knowledge of Jesus' life and what he said shows the lack of credibility of Paul.
huskers12306 10 months ago
The Jewish people do not believe in polytheism, in direct contrast to traditional Christians. Sorry Christians, use whatever semantics you want- you believe in polytheism. The Jewish people don't recognize a trinity and many other Christian creations, like eternal punishment. What a vile evil being it would take to create that concept!!
huskers12306 10 months ago
What a snake oil salesman Martin is! I'm not here to defend whom he is attacking. The bible, especially the New Testament, is BULLSHIT. There may have been a Jesus and he probably was one of the MANY apocalyptic itinerant rabbis running around early 1st century Palestine. "God" didn't write it. Paul wrote most of the epistles, along the way contradicting the Old Testament and forgetting those things attributed of Jesus. Very telling since Paul supposedly hung out with zombie Jesus.
huskers12306 10 months ago
"Science"means knowledge. I back up my claim with the Bible understood spiritually and with my healing experience. "GOD is of purer eyes than to behold iniquity." Since the entire material creation opposes Spirit, the divine Principle, GOD, knows nothing human or material. But the human Jesus did know this false plane of existence in order to start its regeneration by his healing. His few followers are healers who carry on the process of redeeming the material plane through healing.
Lovingvictory1 11 months ago
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Quran:
(Surah-5-the maidah-vs-116)
And when Allah will say: o isa (Jesus) son of marium (Mary)! Did you say to men, take me and my mother for two gods beside allah, he will say: glory be to thee, it did not befit me that I should say what I had no right to (say); if I had said it, thou wouldst indeed have known it; thou knowest what is in my mind, and I do not know what is in thy mind, surely thou art the great knower of the unseen things
quranresponse 11 months ago
Quran:
{Surah-112- the unity (ikhlas)-vs-1}
Say: he, Allah, is one.
2-Allah is on whom all depend.
3-he begets not, nor is he begotten.
4-and none is like him.
quranresponse 11 months ago
1 Peter 3:15 "But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect."
This I have been willing to do.
spectersparten 1 year ago
Yes, there is one GOD and Jesus isn't Him/Her. The good and pure Christ Jesus was the Son of God which we all can be if we correct our thinking and demonstrate our perfect spiritual natures like Jesus scientifically taught us to do.
Lovingvictory1 1 year ago
@Lovingvictory1 Then I ask you to back this claim up with Biblical scripture.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@Lovingvictory1 how on earth did you find anything of scientific meaning in the bible? ive read it cover to cover and never once noticed any kind of science at work....
gamiezion 11 months ago
@gamiezion Hydrological cycle Job 36: 27-18, Amos 9:6; Air has weight Job 28-25; Jet stream Ecclesiastes 1:6; Ocean currents Psalm 8:8, Isaiah 43:16. There are actually many more. If you'd like I would be more than happe to either give you links or to paste them here.
spectersparten 11 months ago
@spectersparten let me refine my qeustion: where in the bible are these events mentioned for what they are by scientific means? :) because anyone can point at something and make a sensible statement, especially in hindsight. and lets not be coy by denying the bible is incredibly vague about scientific principles at best
gamiezion 11 months ago
spectersparten 11 months ago
@gamiezion Ecclesiastes 1:7
All the rivers run into the sea,
Yet the sea is not full;
To the place from which the rivers come,
There they return again.
So please tell me, is any of this explicit enough for you? ;)
spectersparten 11 months ago
@spectersparten where does it mention the sun heating said seas, so clouds are formed, which are then carried via several distinct processes ack to the mountains?
there is nothing scientific about this verse.
gamiezion 11 months ago
@gamiezion Haha so are you ignoring what it does say by stating several things that it doesn't? Where in the Bible does it state the phseudostratafied epithelial cells in the throat produce mucus that prevents contaminents in the air from getting to our lungs? No where. Does that make the Bible a book whcih is not scientifically accurate in what it says given its perameters? No. :)
spectersparten 11 months ago
@gamiezion However what it does obviously say, and which no person could have known back then with their technology, were the jet stream systems of rotating air. Or that water evaporates into a gas, condenses and falls back down again as rain and, in fact, most of the water cycle. Or that, unlike the pagans of the time, the thunder comes from the clouds and not some spirit in the sky. It also mentions ocean currents which weren't discovered untill the last 200 years.
spectersparten 11 months ago
@spectersparten i do not see any of that in the verses... not without some imagination anyway
gamiezion 11 months ago
@gamiezion Well if you would like to understand I'd be happy to explain but I'm not going to unless you want to.
spectersparten 11 months ago
If this is what the Word says then I believe it.
spectersparten 1 year ago
Bible verses that say that there is only one God: "there is no one like Yahweh our God." Exodus 8:10
"Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other." Deuteronomy 4:39
"You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You" 2 Samuel 7:22
"you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only [monos] God?" John 5:44
"I am Yahweh, and there is none else." Isaiah 45:18
There are so many more like these verses.
spectersparten 1 year ago
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God... 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,
John 5:17,18 - “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. Titus 2:13 - looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten there are many more bible verses about Jesus being God, not A god.
spectersparten 1 year ago
Bible verses that say Jesus is God (YHWH). Matthew 1:23 - “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.” Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten just to crack this verse: dont you think mary couldve cheated on josef, but didnt want to tell him, which would be why she told everyone the conception was imaculate? :)
anyway, i find it hard to believe for people who wait for sex untill marriage (if even the ancient jews and cristians did) can hold it in for the many years josef and mary were undoutedly married.
gamiezion 11 months ago
@gamiezion If you had read your bible then you would already know that Joseph was planning on divorcing her because she was pregnant but then a dream came to him in which he was told to not be affraid and to take her as his wife. In truth it has nothing to do with what Mary said.
As for the second bit I don't think I quite understand. The two eventually had other children after Jesus like James who eventaully became an apostle. Waiting till marriage it possible and that I promise you ;)
spectersparten 11 months ago
And do remember to please use Bible verses when explaining this to me because if the Bible is the Word of God, as we agree, and if it is inspired and infalible, then it should be the measure of all things.
spectersparten 1 year ago
And yet, the bible is as questionable a book as anything he's saying is questionable. It's been torn apart, edited, translated, etc. etc. etc.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
@MrMZaccone Give me an example of it being edited, torn apart, and translated into such a questionable status that you grant it. Just curious. You see every time I've asked someone to explain things that relate to inconsistencies in the Bible they never hold water.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten Let's start right at the biginning. Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form and void" The word translated as "was" is "hayah" from the hebrew and indicates a new condition resulting from a previous state. A better translation would be "became without form and void". Chances are if I can find a mistranslation in the second verse of genesis I can surely find a whole bunch more don't you think? Hold your water with that.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
@MrMZaccone Let us examine this supposed mistranslation. From Gensis 1 to 2, God spoke the world and universe into existence. After He did so it became something without form and darkness was over the face of the deep. What is the mistranslation? God spoke it into existence and it became (therefore was) without form. Its previous state being non existence. It is translated "was" for flow and there is no contradiction of meaning. Give me another please.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten "It's previous state being non-existence" OK, you can go back into your cuckoo clock now 'cause you're nuts. The change in meaning of this mistake is obvious in that it indicates his "creation" of the world was not from nothing to something and therefore not "creation" in the true sense. But, you go on denying any evidence at all that there could be anything here that effects your faith. That's what you people do.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
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spectersparten 1 year ago
@MrMZaccone You are saying that it implies a prior existence. That is your interpretation which is a misinterpretation because you do not take into context the very first verse. This is cherry picking. When read in context it reads that God spoke it into existence and what he spoke was something that was (It became or was made) without shape and void. In context, the traditional reading and interpretation holds. So please, give me another problem with the Bible.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten No, it would appear you've missed the point entirely, although in my opinion deliberately obtuse would be a better discription. Don't worry about it. You and your imaginary friend run along and play now.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
@MrMZaccone Well since there is no conclusion agreed on by us both, please move on to another "error" in the doctrine of Christ and of God. If I am "deliberately obtuse" then this is me deliberately asking you to show me wrong and being open to whatever you say but also open to wherever the truth leads. As George Washington once said, there is but one straight coarse and that is to seek truth and pursue it steadily. What do you think is true?
spectersparten 1 year ago
@MrMZaccone One final thing. If this is indeed the extent of "mistranslation"that such a wide and great number of skeptics cling to then I am all the more confident in the love of Christ for them and for myself. God bless.
spectersparten 1 year ago
I don't know about any one else, but I think a cult is a term that means something other than, those that don't agree with us about what the bible says. Just a thought.
piercedis 1 year ago
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There is an inherent danger in cults. Absolutely.
However we find in many cases good intentions tainted by misunderstanding and misinterpretation. In some cases it is true that we find at the root an intentional or malevolent attempt to control and decieve.
However In all cases the single greatest warning sign is when we are admonished to relinquish our power of reason and intellect and simply follow without discernment. Observe the question posed at 7:13 and the answer given.
Unconsciouzone 1 year ago
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Unconsciouzone 1 year ago
There is an inherent danger in cults. Absolutely.
However usually we find in most cases good intentions tainted by misunderstanding and misinterpretation. In some cases it is true that we find at the root an intentional and/or malevolent attempt to control and decieve.
In all cases the single greatest warning sign is when we are admonished to relinquish our power of reason and intellect and simply follow without discernment. Pay attention to the question posed at 7:13, and the answer given.
Unconsciouzone 1 year ago
This idiot is either too proud or afraid to pray about the Book of Mormon.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore In all respect I need to ask, where, in the Bible, are we told to pray about matters such as other scriptures and different gospels. The Bible says in 2 Corinthians 11:4 bearing a different gospel (which the mormons indeed do) or a different Jesus (which the mormons most certainly do) that it is wrong. In verse 14 we read about the devil being disguised as an angel of light which bears a frightening resemblance to how the mormon doctrine was recieved. Are we to pray or to think?
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten James says if we lack wisdom, we should ask God. To me that means prayer. It doesn't say specifically what we can pray about, but we can pray for wisdom about any topic. Your angel of light referrence is way overused by all you antis. That doesn't mean that every angel is necessarily the devil.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore To start off, thanks for being respectful in your response haha. I would like the chapter and verse. Now let me say I don't think prayer is incorrect for it is indeed the air one should breath, but as God has said in 1Thes. 5:21 we should test every spirit. How do we test a "spirit" and what is a "spirit"? I'd suppose it to be a spiritual conviction or beliefe. To test it one asks for revelation via prayer and looks to what has already been revealed i.e. scripture.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@LDStothecore And scripturally speaking (scripture being the Bible) the Mormon scriptures (D and C, POGP, et. al.) they do not line up. The gospel spoken by the Mormons is not that of the Bible. And we are told that if someone comes preaching a new gospel, or even if it delivered by something appearing as an angel of light, we should be cautious and examine to a great detail. This, when applied to Mormon doctrine, disproves it. If you would like examples I would be happy to give some. Thanks agn
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten You will have to give examples. I know the LDS church is God's church, no doubt. And it does not contradict anything in the Bible.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore Okay. One is the matter of physical evidence. The Bible is correct for one reason, because God spoke it. Since it is correct, we expect physical remnants of the events that can mark history. things like cities, countries, battle remnants, historical figures etc. The Bible stands well in this light where it can. The Book of Mormon, however, does not. The cities described are not found anywhere. The artifacts mentioned aren't seen or discovered.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten Again, where are your examples? Also, there is much in the Bible that cannot be proven.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore So another question, do you agree that there is nothing in the study of history that has shown the story of Mormon to be true? And to answer your question: Jerusalem still exists to this day, Bethlehem still exists to this day (as well as most of the old and new testament cities), there is evidence of many old and new testament people like Jesus, through Josephus and others, David and Solomon, with David's palace and the temple mount, The red sea, Egypt all exist and much more.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten Basically all of the civilizations mentioned in the Bible, like the cannanites, the jebusites, the babylonians, the egyptians, the romans, the greeks, the jews, the persians all existed and we know that they do. You have but to google images of Rome and see the remnants of the Romans and in Greece we find the Greek ruins. In Israel we find Jewish artifacts and cities. The creation of western civilization depends on them all. If you would like to, though, we can focus on doctrine.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten Focus on doctrine first :). Again, thanks for being respectful. It is appreciated.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten Can you prove the Red Sea was opened by Moses? Can you prove the existence of the Arc of the Covenant or the tablets Moses received? I don't need to see or touch to believe. I have faith and the Spirit. Do you not have faith?
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore I cannot, and on this I do have faith and believe that it did. But (HUGE but) I believe this because it is reasonable to do so. The things that can be proven at this time are (ex. The red sea actually existing, the civilizations mentioned, artifacts and cities and people etc.). In this provable aspect the Bible stands firm but the BOM does not. We would expect to find the same sort of the thing with the BOM, evidence speaking, in at least a few areas, but that is not what is found.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten So you are a sign seeker.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore No, I'm a truth seeker. Like George Washington once said, "There is but one straight coarse and that is to seek truth and pursue it steadily." As a Christian I believe Christ is the Truth and therefore in seeking Him I will understand this world, myself, and Him all the more. Signs and wonders, these things aren't always true and can be misleading. Truth, however, is objective, yet it is tangible and if sought will also seek the one who does the seeking i.e. God answers haha :).
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten I also believe that Christ is the Truth. We LDS also seek to know Him and to become like Him. He is central to our faith.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore Why is central to your faith? Because He lived a perfectly moral life and no one has ever lived better than He? This is all well and good, but what use was his living so perfectly if not to save us from something? If Jesus is our saviour, then what is He the saviour from? Please, I ask, use Bible verses, because mere opinion and philosophy is of the world and not of God. Even a satanist can live a "good moral" life, but this is nothing if a person isn't saved Rom 3:10, Isaiah 64:6.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten I don't care if you want to fight all the time just because I am LDS. You don't use Bible references to prove the unprovable. You cannot question my allegiance to Jesus Christ. It's obvious you don't care, just want to tear people down.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore Friend, don't mistake my intentions. I long for Truth and I only want others to see it. This world is a battle ground and a war. In as much as a brother longs to bring his comrade through battle alive so do I long that others might become my brothers and sisters and live. Ecclesiastes says that there is a time to break down and a time to build up. Some things, like falce beliefes must be torn down so that Truth and people can be built upon the Rock of Christ.
In love - Jordan
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten You've given many scriptures, I admire your knowledge of God's word. Wondering what your interpretation of Revelations 22:18-19, may be? ie: books written in the name of God, but written by the hand of man? God bless you, you live agape!
shadey538 1 year ago
@shadey538 My interpretation is just as plain as the text. If a person adds or subtracts anything from the word of God then they are choosing eternal seperation from God in hell (this being the curse mentioned in the text). Though man may er in his interpretation of scripture do to lack of wisdom, if the man is seeking Go truly his mistaken will be made aparent to him. However if a man's intention is to pervert the word and not seek truth, then curse... yeah. haha. Why do you ask?
spectersparten 1 year ago
@shadey538 And I apologize, some of my spelling and wording in that wasn't the best :P.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten The truth is found in God and the LDS church is His church.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore That's something that needs to be justified if you want other people to believe what you say or agree with it. I can justify my beliefes via His Word, being the Bible, which contains everything I believe.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten HI, You seemed to have my question, in this reply! HIS Word, the Holy Bible, is the only I read, the only one I will seek God's knowledge from. Anything else, in my personal thoughts, has altered the true word of God. Is not of God. Will never be of God! I agree completely with you! God bless you in ALL things. I can do ALL things through Christ....oh, you know the rest!
shadey538 1 year ago
@spectersparten I don't have to prove what I believe. I know it to be true by the Spirit of God.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore And lastly I would like to admit that yes, there are indeed some things in the Bible that cannot be proven via sciences such as objective morality or the very existence of God. But what we prove and what we can see are that there are indeed things that do exist regardless of being able to be proven scientifically. It is indeed moraly wrong to kill and that is objective. If God did exist, then we would expect to see natural signs of His existence. This in fact, is what we can prove.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten How can you prove that God exists?
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore I did not say I could. I said I can't prove God exists. Instead I said we can prove the things that we would expect to see given that the God of the Bible would exist (ex. evidence of creation and design, the historical accounts being accurate in the ways that they can be proven, the preservation of scripture throughout time, etc evidences past given and more). Since we do find these evidences faith is also reasonable in concluding that the God of the Bible is true.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@LDStothecore If you don't agree with what I just said then please give examples of where we have found ancient cities as mentioned by the mormons. Where do we find the peoples? Why are they not mentioned in the history books? Regardless of how anti fundamentalist they have become, there is much mention of ancient Biblical cities and civilizations and artifacts. To this day many of these things still exist that are mentioned in Biblical Christianity.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@LDStothecore From the Bible. I have already given you a verse or two on Biblical teaching which contradicts that which the Bible teaches and how we shouldn't believe it. Let us turn to the claims of Mormonism. I first need to ask some questions. Do you believe that man can become a god? Do believe that as man is God once was? Do you believe that we merit God's graces and goodness by our actions and works? Do you believe the Bible is the innerant Word of God? Who is Jesus to you?
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten You have not given anything from the Bible that contradicts LDS doctrine. Jesus is my Savior. And you obviously don't understand grace and works, just like most antis. Do you even want to understand what we believe?
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore I believe I asked what you believe. I HOPE to understand you by the answers that you would give. With the answers I could continue without assumption and without speculation and you could clear up anything that would be missunderstood by me. I really would like to know your answers to the questions. One step at a time so that we may speak clearly and with understanding. Once your done answering the questions then I can show you where the Bible may differ.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten What are your questions?
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore They were listed below. Let me restate. Who is Jesus in your eyes? Is he the spirit brother of satan or is he almighty God from everlasting? Can man become a god? Was God (YHWH) once as man is now, created, and can man be as God (YHWH) is (creator, father, etc)? Is the Bible innerant in it's entirity? Does man merit salvation (being entry into Heaven which is eternal presence with God)? What is Heaven? If there is anything else that you would like to add, go right ahead. thanks :D!
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten It seems you only want to argue. I already told you Jesus is my Savior, the Son of God. He is our spirit brother as is Lucifer. We are all brothers and sisters. Makes perfect sense. Yes, we can have all that God has. The Bible even says so. We LDS do NOT believe our works save us, as you all like to think we believe.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore In a way I would like to argue my case, but not so much argue as define why I believe differently than you and this in a respectful and loving way if that's possible haha. Would you be alright with me explaining what I believe to you and why I don't agree with what you believe? I'm not going to force it on anyone. Know that my intentions are loving in that I want to express what God has said in the propper sense and to clarify what is misunderstood.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten I am fine with that. I have just had so many bad experiences with opponents to the LDS church. Many are extremely rude, but I am fine listening or explaining my beliefs.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore Thank you.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@LDStothecore So where, in the Bible, is this claim verified, that satan, Jesus, and mankind are all spirit brothers? To you it may, but not to me. As I read it satan fell from heaven as did those sons of God (which means angels btw not spirit children born of a spirit mother) when they supposed that they could surmount God Luke 10:18; 2 peter 2:4 and therefore they must suffer eternal seperation from God in hell Matt 25:41; Jude 6.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten I hope you are aware that the Bible says that not everything Jesus did and said is in the Bible. Your interpretation that angels are those that fell is your opinion. No evidence of this.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore Friend it isn't just an interpretation, it is a logical conclusion of which the Jews of the past and now Christians maintain. The Bible verse I gave you attest to this. It takes thought to understand but it is logical when taken from an objective stand point and viewing. Show, by Biblical scripture that the devil is a spirit brother of Jesus, this would be my challenge, that and read the verses I gave you and see that it isn't opinion bu Bilical Truth.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten What it reall takes to understand is the Spirit. Again, not all is written in the Bible. I don't know that it says that Satan is our brother, but I know by the Spirit of God that it is true. Your interpretation is just that, like I said. Deny it if you like, but just your word is not sufficient.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore But you see, friend, it isn't my word, but God's Word that I go by. Don't you have faith that He gave us a scripture and in that enough for us to build our faith off of? Romans 10:17 "So faith comes from hearing, and hearing from the Word of Christ.". The Spirit of God doesn't contradict Himself with the Word of God.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten I go by God's word also.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore Then just explain this verse to my by using the Word of God. John 3:18 "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the ONLY Son of God."
(John 3:18 ESV)
Then how is satan like Jesus being equally brothers?
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten We never said they were equal.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore You did say they were both sons of god. This verse explicitly says Jesus is the only Son of God. How do you interpret this?
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten He is the only Son of God in the flesh.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore And where is this interpretation backed up with other scripture? (I'm not denying that He was the only one of His sort... but He always is and always will be and always was haha. Since... well... Jesus is God, the Word, become flesh. Eternal YHWH in the flesh). Would you be alright with me back my claims up after you back yours up?
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten mine Only Begotten, which was with me from the beginning, Moses 2:26; John 3; Hebrews 1;
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore Funny you should quote Hebrews 1. Note verse 8-9 "[8 ] But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. [9 ] You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”
So Jesus says to God that God, God's God, has anointed Him. Jesus (God) anoints God.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten Sorry, I mean God (the Father) anointed God (the Son) :P Was mixed up haha
spectersparten 1 year ago
@LDStothecore Of equal interest is John 3:18 "[18 ] Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the ONLY Son of God." (Emphasis added respectfuly). People misinterpret "Son of God" to mean sexually reproduced and created child of God whether that be spirit or not, but the Bible does not claim this. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
spectersparten 1 year ago
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@spectersparten If you don't want to believe what I do, that's up to you. You should just worship like you want and stop bashing the beliefs of others.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore If Christ is Truth then there is only one Way to salvation. "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father but through me." John 14:6. It's not bashing someone's beliefs, rather it is testifying to the Truth. As Martin Luther once said, God help me. Here I stand. I can do no other. Amen.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten I agree, so why do so many bash my church? What do you have to fear?
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore I testify to the Truth which is the Word revealed in the Bible. The Truth shines into the dark and the dark has not overcome it. What you believe is not the same as the Truth. This is not my saying but the Word's. I am simply testifying of the Truth. If Love has me and there is no fear in Love then I am not to be affraid of anything. I'm not perfect but I have a mustard seed of faith. A free gift of God's. I ask questions. I knock. How about you?
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten It's funny that you people constantly attack our beliefs. The attacks started in 1820 and continue today and I assume they will never stop, but the Truth of God will never be stopped. I ask questions also, but I know where Truth is found.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore Yes, I know. John 21:25. This is true. However, if everything were written down, we would expect it to agree this is not what we find. More on that later.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@LDStothecore Thank you for clarifying the works thing. However, do you believe that our works are the reason why some get to be gods? Off of that, do you believe that there exist other gods, or spirit beings that inhabit the same status as the God of the old testament? Your answer with "we can have all that God has" wasn't so clear to me so I apologize. I just don't want to misinterpret you.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@spectersparten If all we do is believe and we do nothing, we cannot live with God. Yes, we can become like God.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
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@LDStothecore James 2:14-26 faith without works is dead, I agree. However, this must fit in with Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:". Romans 5:1 links it together by saying that since we are saved we rejoice. This rejoicing is doing the works of God. Faith changes a man's heart creating a good and new plant that produces good fruit. It is a costly grace as Dietrich Bonhoeffer put it. Is costs us everything.
spectersparten 1 year ago
@LDStothecore probably because there are so many versions of the bible? there must be thousands of variations at least.
gamiezion 11 months ago
@gamiezion I'll be the first to say that yes there are many versions of the Bible (just fyi I am not LDS, not sure if you've picked that up yet). Some versions are messed up. We know they are messed up because we have ancient versions of the Bible (dead sea scrolls and the new testament) from which to determine a correct interpretation. However, there are many great Bibles out there and in fact I would say that most of them maintain the same meanings behind each verse and as a whole.
spectersparten 11 months ago
the popes would sacrifice and eat babies on the altar. this is why they say 'haBABEm papam' also, it is why catholics go to abortion clinics, to retrieve dead babies from dumpsters to send to the pope
MegaFaithalone 1 year ago
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Psalm 82:6 "I said, "You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High" and John 10:34 "Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’?"
netelsg 1 year ago
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I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High - Psalm 82:6
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’?
netelsg 1 year ago
Noble Quran:
(5:69) (Know well, none has an exclusive claim to the Truth.) For all those who believe in Allah and in the Last Day and do good deeds - be they either believers, Jews, Sabaeans or Christians - neither fear shall fall upon them, nor shall they have any reason to grieve.99
Kenarah 1 year ago
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@Kenarah we need Jesus Christ
ST8URCASE 1 year ago
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I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High - Psalm 82:6
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’? John 10:34
netelsg 1 year ago
this man is so full of himself.i heard him descuss the witches.o boy did he think that only he was right.please,ok if you are against cults that kill like jim jones but paganism was way way before christianity.and the bible has many many pagan things in it.yet they keep on being in denial.
witchcerridwen 1 year ago
@witchcerridwen To worship the god & goddess-venus,the huntress,etc.-it's idolatry7worshipping other gods before Yawheh.They are just demons,not gods.Jesus loves witches though.Aliester Crowley & Anton Levay could have been saved.Granted,they were satanists&Levay said wiccans were cowards but still.Jesus loves you.As long as there's life in you you can be saved
MetalEvangelion777 1 year ago
@MetalEvangelion777 yahweh is just another god.a vulcanogod.and about anton la veys death bed we have a lot of stories.patricia king doesnt have a source yet she claims what his last words were.he died instantly by an accident.du to a curse that his daughter put on him.his religion is diffrent from ours so i dont really care what he thinks.read the OT and be honest is that a loving god?thats my problem with him.bb
witchcerridwen 1 year ago
@witchcerridwen I wasn't talking about Levay's death bed.I said he COULD have been saved if he would have repented.&God only killed like 3 ppl himself in the Old Testament besides the flood&they were evil ppl.Jesus can be found all throughout the old testament.The New Testament reveals the Old testament.I'm 50%Scandinavian Vikking&I'm Christian.satan,mankind&demons are to blame.I don't get how ppl believe in curses&Magick&gods&goddesses but not Jesus?Jesus is God Incarnate.I don't judge you btw.
MetalEvangelion777 1 year ago
Like McDonald's, I'm lovin it
vicambulatorious 1 year ago
BROTHER, WHAT IS YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THIS?
HERE ARE TWO
Zechariah 2:10-11 (KJV) 10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, LO I COME, and I WILL DWELL IN THE MIDST OF THEE, SAITH THE LORD. 11 And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be MY PEOPLE and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD OF HOSTS HATH SENT ME UNTO THEE
HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
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@HARLANGENEPARROTT How do you interpret this?
Numbers 31:17,18 - Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
AirbrushMercenary 1 year ago
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
-- David Hume
MrDeaconFred 1 year ago
I saw several lists of the top Christian apologists that have ever lived and Walter Martin (or his book Kingdom of the Cults) is always found on those lists. It is because of people willing to defend the Christian faith like him that led me out of Mormonism. He was definitely one of many faithful followers of Christ that said the Gospel was too important and precious to be hijacked by so-called Christians or Christian cults.
TheLogos1 1 year ago
i have fond memories fo listening to walter martin, he definatly helped me with the understanding of the scriptures and how the cults opperate,i personly thanks the good lord for people like him who has studied to show them self approved,a true defender of the gospel.shalom.
MrShenza 1 year ago
MrDeaconFred you need to study hermeneutics.
christowned 1 year ago
@christowned Yep ... but don't fault him for what he said because in the strictest sense he is correct.
hammerogod 1 year ago
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the only difference between religion and cults is that cults tend to be new and less socially acceptable and religions have many people in their old, huge, and well funded cults.
wrathofme03 1 year ago
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the only difference between religion and cults is that cults tend to be new and less socially acceptable and religions have many people in their old, huge, and well funded cults.
wrathofme03 1 year ago
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the only difference between religion and cults is that cults tend to be new and less socially acceptable and religions have many people in their old, huge, and well funded cults.
wrathofme03 1 year ago
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the only difference between religion and cults is that cults tend to be new and less socially acceptable and religions have many people in their old, huge, and well funded cults.
wrathofme03 1 year ago
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wrathofme03 1 year ago
The Watchtower may interpret the bible for its members. But so do fundamentalists interpret the bible for their members.
DIBBY40 1 year ago
@DIBBY40 I am not aware of any mainstream fundamentalist denomination that doesn't allow it's members to read the Bible and intrepret it for themselves .. Most, if not all, mainstream fundamentalist churchs have frequent word studies and guest speakers/teachers as well as individual Bible studies outside of the church environment ... No church I have ever attended intreperted the Bible for me ... EVERY church I ever attended strongly suggested that I study the Bible frequently and independently.
hammerogod 1 year ago
@DIBBY40 Just to set the record straight: the Watchtower Society doesn't just intrepret (reintrepret) the Bible ... C.T. Russell rewrote important sections, changed concepts and contexts .. The version of the Bible that the JWs use is nearly unrecognizable as the Bible in many verses and passages .. Charles Taze Russell had a point to make, he used a reintrepretaton of scripture to make that point .. It probably sucks to be him now.
hammerogod 1 year ago
Thank God for a dynamic well instructed defender of the faith like Dr. Walter Martin.
Post more vids!
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