Give me some Corporate Canadian Stories; seems unusual for a GUY living in Canada to fixate on U.S. Corporations. I'm not disagreeing with you, I just find it odd, your in the house taunting the bullies outside on your sidewalk.
This is your typical egalitarian leftist crap that ruined our schools. He is very anti-American, how does he think the British empire ruled such for so long?
are you an anarchist? wait a minute, by bad, I need to learn more about "ideologies..." etc. maybe a better question from me is "what 'ideology' do you hold dear to your heart, so much you would die representing it if it was threatened by the 'state'" as a form of "alternative" government? u know what? the Indians survived without a monetary system for years and years, but the Capitalists came as a "majority" and forced us to live like them. what do you think?
@beatlesrock4ever -- Who is the keeper of this "history of deceit" -- there could not be a "public" record house, anyone with control over records has 'power' and is thus "gov't." In a free-society there is no DMV nor is there a need for "birth certificates" -- in fact identification is not needed. We would "agree" without contracts based on our word and references -- there are "no guarantees" in a free-society so the "property-ownership" argument is moot (in a free-society).
@beatlesrock4ever -- I agree no one living agreed to the Constitution nor a Voting Republic. We are fantacizing about how a free-market would function, not discussing reality. In said fantasy, my argument is that An-Cap leads back to Cap-italism, and on to Crony-Cap-italism. One of those All Cap's leads back to home type arguments, home being "reality." I would never chose the arbitrator of your choice and you would be suspect of my arbitrator, less we worked out a "deal" with said 3rd party
@beatlesrock4ever -- If you can assign "power" to a third party, what is the difference between that and a voting republic -- just because it's local does not make it "healthy." If you can sign-away your power (authority) then you can abdicate self-rule and self-ownership -- if you can do this in the short-run you can do it in the long-run, without a governing body to tell you not too; therefore, in the long-run An-Cap leads back to Cap-italism, and then onto Corporatism as third party grows.
"Bound" by contract? Who binds you in a free-society? Who runs the Force-Agency (Gov't) of Absolute Rule? They must have the "power" (right) over your property and person -- otherwise they have not "binding" power and you cannot guarantee contracts.
@dickdubin u realize u just did the same thing that u accused of. you have no evidence just a conclusion. u fuckin jackass if u wanna learn lets debate if u wanna make unwarrantes assertions than just dont comment.
as right as stef is about so much, he and many others are wrong about this: Corporations do not pass taxes along to the customers. or fees or fines or anything eles. This is why i say this. Corporations charge every single penny they can for their products every single time. If they could have raised the prices to cover anything they would have allready. Do you really think they are keeping prices low somehow, no.
@captaindrywall Of course they go for profits, that's how they grow their businesses. But your view that they can arbitrarily charge whatever they want is uninformed. In a true free market with vibrant competition, your competitors move in on foolish businesses that overcharge. In real life businesspeople balance all their expenses and compete for efficiency to keep prices low, to attract customers. Government monopolies that get money from the gov don't have to compete to please customers
You are Stupet, YOU DONT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING.....:-(
This is the answer i got when we tried to talk to people about the wars, and all this madness.....PEOPLE GET WHAT THEY DESERVE!!! Just look now. How many people do we have like you!!? They have allready won this evil war, and soon humans are foce more and more to eat gen. Sheet, while they themselfs have food underground for 200 years...Wake up people!!
This argument is a long non-sequitur, and would be much stronger if Stef stuck to logos rather than pathos. The US federal government condoning torture in prisons across the globe does not necessarily segue into whether it cares about wildlife in the Gulf. One can be hidden from public view (and was for quite some time), the other is an immediate disaster that must be responded to because it is within the public sphere of knowledge.
Interesting that you brought up your lil' "mini-me", your corporation (the straw-man).
Now guess what: It does exist! It is a fictional (dead) entity that stands as gov. collateral, ie a stock paper - It isn't you (a free living being) who's being forced to pay taxes but your corporation, which came into existence at registry of your birth ("berth" according to maritime law). So the solution is quite simple: In order to quit being child of the state, stop representing your legal name! ;)
@Info4People Yes true, but you also have2 keep in mind how mafia and criminal the goverment is. Do you think they will let that slide,n let you just unplug from their system, EVEN IF you were playin by their rules..No, as a human being if you dont exist in their system they probably will make it so that you dont exist at all. U will no longer have rights, which arent really rights at all, theyre just privledges which can be taken...Self sufficiency and independece from the system is the key...
That may be true in part of the world where there is no such thing as "the rule of law" or even just the pretence of such, where legal philosophy doesn't matter.
But then again, let me remind you that in a true free world there is no such thing as "rights" either (all fictional). Subsequently, no other entity has the "right" to impose on you!
Of coruse freeman sometimes get jailed. Mostly however, due to lack of police knowledge or assumptive transfer of juristiction.
Interesting points. However, you ought to know that the reality of what will happen if teachers lose tenure. The students will not be the ones in charge. Rather, Administrators, politicians and the Corporation/State matrix will have more power and not kids. We are headed in that direction with the "teach to the test" mentality, and a loss of tenure leads even further. I am in favor of lowering the voting age to 13, by the way, so I am not opposed to student power.
Spot on about the corporate structure. What BP did is criminal. They do belong in jail. The same goes for Wall Street and the banks. The question is why do sociopaths do so well in corporate America? Why are there many in government?
or the Corporations having any interest in creating a country of philosophers who will not do any work or menial tasks required to keep the engine of civilization moving. This "engine" seems to need human fuel in order to exist. This fuel is comprised of the 80% who produce. The -10% (non producers) and the +10%(thinkers) are a mere statistical consequence that will happen regardless of any efforts by the Government or Corporation. Corruption in these systems should therefore be examined.
..that some will filter down to end up in incarcerated because they are a danger to the rest of us in equal numbers to those who filter upwards in order to become a benefit to all of us. So it seems that the Government/Corporate educational systems goal is to create that mediocre individual, that 80% tile, who will prop up the system by fulfilling a role in a retail or a production environment and who will pay for the existence of a Government or a corporation.
..and corporate corruption, in order to continue to live in a peaceful environment which is ruled by some measure of law regardless of how imperfect it is. To me it seems very obvious that the interest of the Government and the Corporations is to produce LOW skilled workers to prop up the society and the corporate structure by paying taxes. Out of the masses then there is a statistical certainty that some will filter up to become Thinkers, scientists leaders etc. Similar to the certainty..
lead us down the path to "righteousness". However, When one does not subscribe to any particular kind of religion or an ethical code of behavior, then their behavior is merely a cost-to-benefit ratio. Another-wards, the only thing that can keep one from harming the other is simply the cost. This is what I'm struggling with when i hear your videos. I can see the corruption of Government and the corporate structures that it creates.However,it seems that we have turned a blind eye on Government..
..in order to exact some sort of justice and to possibly deter another wrong from happening again by attaching some kind of punishment or consequence for that wrong. The adjudicators of this Justice and the executors of the law typically are the government. Please make a video showing us how we can have a society without the existence of a legislative, judicial or executive system which is there as a valve and a guide to keep US from harming one another in our society. Religion was supposed...
I do love your videos. however, they have one thing in common that causes me a bit of confusion.a complete anti government message. Human beings decided to come together as societies in order to support each other and live together more efficiently, peacefully and successfully. In any society therefore, problems will arise between INDIVIDUALS. Be it a physical crime, a theft or some kind of wrong done by one of us to the other. therefore we establish "Laws" a code of conduct if you will..
I was only able to watch half because of the unbelievably slow download! I am in agreement with 100% of what I did hear. I got as far as the comment about 'tenure'...
I have know idea why it finally stopped downloading ??? I enjoy finding like minded
thinkers, it's hard to do in this day and age. I'll keep an eye out for more of same...
Just wait till the "one child" policy in initiated, the need for teacher's will be less. Being a teacher, I tend to agree with you. School boards give us the curriculum which is run by the government of coarse. Teacher's can take this curriculum and teach it in imaginative ways.
From your accent I would say you are Swiss, Danish, Belgian or perhaps Finnish. If so, the education system in those countries PRIOR TO "university" as you Europeans call it, is honestly MUCH better than ours. But I would ask you to PLEASE take a look at the differences in society. America is ALL ABOUT COMPETITION, where as Europe, (& Asian countries) is about FAMILY. That makes a huge difference in educating children, as well.
You know, I could agree with you on many points here, but on the point of education I must whole-heartedly disagree. I taught for 10 years then got OUT! The problem is this SOCIETY! The lack of value placed on education & children, in general. I was a single parent for MANY years & was constantly involved with my child--it has paid off 100 fold. However, as a teacher I saw children come to school dirty, hungry, neglected, those who were allowed to watch R rated movies @ the age of 4...cont'd
@kaydee37 parents who treated children as adults--no guidance, no TIME SPENT with the children--I could go on and on. Now, while this is NOT the case with every child/every family, it is a HUGE problem. Mommy&daddy (if one is around) are too busy working to pay for their Hummer or Coach bags they can't afford & the child(ren) takes a backseat. If a child is not taught to value: education, authority figures, is not fed/not enough rest, etc, the best education system in the world cannot help them!
The U.S.A. is a Republic and Free interprise system; We are a robust and vibrant economy. Our Nation is the only Nation on this Earth, that you can voice an opinion concerning a elected official and never worry about being arrested for it. We excel in Education and produce brilliant minds that pave the future for generations to come. WHEW! that was a fantastic blast from the past!!!
As far I have researched-The Zeitgeist Movement is the only Group out there that has brought up some Real and Tangible Solutions to ACTUALLY SOLVE OUR ECONOMICAL, SOCIAL & ECOLOGICAL CRISIS - watch "Awakening 1/4" (short video) and "Zeitgeist Addendum" to know more about it. Both of them are on YouTube. The SOLUTIONS presented in both videos are already being applied and they have already been proved to work in the short and long run. It's about time to expand/spread it World Wide.
Yes the BP OIL spill contains toxins like Nathalene and benzene but they aren't telling us this .. air must be toxic for hundreds of miles check out jolietgeff youtube channel for details
"They" cannot be shielded from the public opinion when the chickens come home to roost. stefbot: Humans are truly Amazing but quiet insane all the same.
The president now pretends to "kick ass" - very hard to do from the bent over position while simultaneously fellating the oil, the coal and, all over again, the nuclear industry.
After all, they keep repeating the mantra, alternative energy is still 35 years out.
They don't tell us it remains 35 years out because they're not investing in it. If they'd funded the Apollo project the way they're funding clean energy the moon shot would also still have been 35 years out.
The only thing that makes me uncomfortable about your videos is that you break everything down so that there is literally nothing for me to add, it makes me uncomfortable that you do all the thinking for me, and I'm just sitting there agreeing with you with nothing new to say about the topic, like I'm just receiving logic, instead of doing it myself, that's why people who can't figure it out by themselves, should listen to this. I couldn't agree more with your logic, that's all I have to say...
I agree with a lot of this but he implies that free market minus company's would change anything which it would not and getting rid of public schools would only deprive the vulnerable of a fighting chance at life. ( (Q)Why do most parents not send children to private, (A) Can't afford it. ) Private schools exist if you want to go to one, the regulations are just quality controls to ensure the schools keep to a certain quality (nothing outrageous there). I'm Irish, no multiple choice over here.
@meadowsirl Stef has much previously released material on why gov't ownership of education and methods are heinous. He has already addressed the comments you made. He has videos on this channel, podcasts and books and white papers available for free on his web site. I humbly suggest that you seek out these highly enlightening resources and consider their content. The bottom line is, a sane loving society should educate children, so they become happy adults. Gov't has no interest in doing that.
@MrDorkusMaximus I don't know what its like over in america but over here in Ireland I actually look back and think most of my education was pretty good, i'm thankful for it. I didn't like everything but it was good for me, same in college. The libertarian ideas about school I could find is go to a Coca-cola school and learn to be a good consumer or be home schooled / unschooled. Which is what it was like before public schools revolutionized education.
@meadowsirl In the United States, private schools on average costs half of what public schools cost, you are just forced to pay for public schools in property taxes so it is hidden. In the United States the public schools and the regulations on the private school insert a great deal of patriotic propaganda, I'm sure it is similar in other countries.
@Caveman135 Put a price tag on the basics and the have-nots will be left out. I wouldn't like to live in a country where I have to pay for air, I think its perfectly OK to use taxes to pay for such things.
@meadowsirl where do the taxes come from? what or whom do we tax? The income tax only pays for the interest on the national debt, which doesn't accomplish much anyhow.
Hello Stefbot, Sometimes I think that the reason that the president has let this spill go on without any real action, especially from the corp of engineers, is that if the spill spreads and most of the wildlife die then their is no reason not to create more drilling rigs in the gulf. The government might say that the country should lemonade out of lemons - why not drill for more oil if the damage is already done. What do you think? Does this line of thought have a merit?
Stef, you mention that corporations as a government-enforced legal entity, BP in this case, are responsible for these disasters. But what if the organization of a corporation (treating it as one entity) is demanded for its efficiency and exists under a voluntary society by DRO provisions? Not a criticism of the underlying philosophy, but under that particular argument couldn't these accountability-based disasters still exist?
@bigheb774 It's not a criticism of a large firms. The "corporation" is a specific legal entity which shares some of the limited liability of government in return for special taxation and regulation.
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What that limited liability does is insulate the people in the firm from the repercussions of their choices, by creating a legal "person" out of the corporation, and then punishes the corporation as if it commits crimes, rather than the people who actually made the decisions.
@CurtHowland I agree, but what I am saying is not simply the largeness of the firm still existing under DRO provisions but the limited liability part of the modern corporation that you speak of. Granted, the legal concept of a corporation is historically leftover from mercantilism and was originally just a government-granted monopoly (e.g. East India Company). But as people have said, a lot of businesspeople like it because it shields them so there may still be considerable demand for it.
@bigheb774 In a free market, it is very possible that firms will not get "huge" by the simple fact that when the company gets big enough it's impossible not to step on someone's toes somewhere.
@CurtHowland Good point. I believe Rothbard did some work on this by applying Mises' socialist calculation problem to the massive firm to demonstrate how lack of a price structure within the firm's activities actually limits the size of the firm under free market conditions.
Shielding executives (and other employees) from legal liability is exactly what a corporation is for. Look up the definition of a corporation: "A corporation is an institution that is granted a charter recognizing it as a separate legal entity having its own privileges, and liabilities distinct from those of its members."
Saying that corporations can pass over cost increases over to the consumer and laborers is just bad economics, especially when seen from an Austrian point of view. Increases in costs will cost the company revenues/sales which will lead it to be able to 'facilitate' less employees. That the CEOs will not feel much of the pain and the role of corporations as a state-created entity without liability is imho a related, but separate issue.
Well done, again, Stefbot. The corporate-state is a two headed monster joined at the hip. They could not exist without each other. The pixie dust of democracy thrown over the whole operation seems to have fooled most of the of people most of the time.
I see this man has a few devoted fans that want to jump to his defense. Well, first of all, I wasn't attacking him. Secondly, if he is as smart and innovative as you all would like to believe, he can defend his own words with out you trying to stump me with inane questions on "what I do." If you would rather listen to him prattle on and agree with him, how are you any different then the Glenn Beck fans?
@jharrod123 People research his site who are actually serious about critiquing him, rather than having him defending every single claim or criticism made on Youtube. It's just not worth the effort. If you really want to be critical, go to the website. The answers to all your questions are there if you're interested. If you're not, then you're wasting your time here. This vid is here to interest you and maybe inform you, not give you every piece of information that you need to make a decision.
@ForOrAgainstUs He speaks a little too passionately for it to be a simple cliff note. He calls corporations "mutant legal shields." This does not seem like he is introducing corporations to his audience as you seem to be implying. It is more a claim or voicing of opinion not based in all the facts. I am not looking for answers, I have them already. I am simply suggesting he refrain from the subjective language if HE doesn't have all the info.
@jharrod123 I'm not saying this is an introduction at all. This is pre-introduction to get you interested. If you're not interested, or if you don't like his style, let him know (guess you already have) and maybe he'll try to accommodate you.
This is a passionate and informed rant (not necessarily informative). There's nothing false about what he's saying. If you have a beef with facts or that he's leaving something out, trust us, we've heard it before, and we can discuss it on the FDR boards.
@ForOrAgainstUs See, now you are just mincing words. What is a "pre-introduction?" Seriously? And the only thing this speaker wants his audience interested in, is his opinions. Big corporations are guilty of many ethics violations, but to say incorporating is just a business's way shielf themselves from liability is ignorant generalization. Its not a matter of his style, its a matter of his words and the way he thinks.
@jharrod123: As a business owner that has been incorporated. I can agree w/ this man speaking for my business partners and myself did the corporation as a shield to protect ourselves and our personal belongings from the company and any lawsuits it might see. Clearly you have never done a corporation to understand the rules and whys. You can open a biz in USA as a corp, do all things wrong, pay no bills and then collapse it and open another corp w/ no punishment to yourself. The system is broken.
You sound like a far left version of Faux News. You fail to mention that corporatizing also helps protect non profits and charities from having to pay taxes. You fail to mention that an individual is able to incorporate as well, albeit with difficulty. You are just as bad as the far right, you're doing nothing but finger pointing. How about using your "clarity" to do more then make videos on youtube...
@Loyal2Liberty I do not need to be provoked into thinking. I can pull that off on my own. That's the problem with people like him and his opposites on the far right, the provoke thought, unfortunately for those who listen it is specific and subjective thought, not objective thought.
@subjer0 I suggest he stop trying to provoke thought with subjective opinions based on half truths, and instead focus on learning then inspiring objective thinking. Until then, he, and his fans, are no better then Glenn Beck and his fans. Just on opposite sides of the fence.
Look, if there are illegal activities of individuals within a corporation, they can be prosecuted. The Corporate Veil is a necessary part of a business structure, because it protects personal assets from a business failure. That's it. As for the corporation in question, shareholder value has fallen by over 25% that's billions of dollars. Government is at fault here, as much as BP. If it wasn't for environmentalists we would already be energy efficient, w/o having to drill in the Gulf.
@corrado47 Stef's awesome, but if you want to hear about solutions to the ROOT CAUSES of these problems Google "Zeitgeist Addendum" or see the TZMSocialEvolution channel on YT. Economics/Capitalism is obsolete & has run it's course & what we see today are it's death throes. If we don't have a plan to transition out of it, shit will get really ugly & the corporate despots will rule supreme. We can't afford to live in the old way anymore, Nature won't allow it. It's time to Adapt or Perish.
@kingofthebrittains Economics? Human Action deriving from subjective value? Is obsolete? Let's run tha tthrough the debugger shall we, with a test action based upon the theory. The Human Action of acquiring, trading for or eating food, is obsolete: theories conclusion, all humans are dead - possibly not true. Capitalism as voluntary interaction, is obsolete. Reverse case Test, violence is in fashion. Well, you are correct, violence is the way atm, so lets implement capitalism for the first time!
@DreadLaw2 Not when we have the ability to provide for everyone at a high standard of living via automated factories, farms & water plants. In the context of scarcity you would be right, but scarcity now is Created to keep prices up. It, like the whole economy is FALSE, FIAT. The only way to understand what I'm saying is to learn about the new paradigm of post-scarcity. Otherwise it seems nuts. See Awakening part 1-4 on YT for more on this. 400 words is far too short to relate the info properly.
@DaveDoggOwns Yes, there are many types of education and many ways to become educated. I'm a fan of self-education as I don't think the education necessarily served me all that well. OTOH the public school system I went to in South Carolina did include learning a trade if a student so desired. A friend I had learned various technical skills in the public school system and the last time I heard he was using these skills to run his own business.
@baphomettheeternal I somewhat agree. But who is to decide what is useful? Is history useful? I think that a liberal education that includes a wide variety of knowledge (both the seemingly useful & useless) because education prepares a child for the future & no one can absolutely predict what will be useful in the future. I'd prefer an education system that focused on teaching kids how to learn & on teaching kids to appreciate the value of learning (rather than on memorizing factoids).
This comment may get deleted, but here goes: This is why it's time for vigilante justice. If some of those corporate criminals were abducted, and their tortured bodies started turning up, and it continued to happen, the rest *might* start doing the right thing. It would accomplish what NOTHING else could do. It's not legal and not right, but, hey, why care? They don't. What they do is not right or legal either. Granted, it's easier said than done, but it could indeed be done if planned right.
Another great, insightful video, but I can tell you're getting frustrated and angry like a lot of us with open eyes. Please, don't let the system hurt your spirit. It's one of the few things they can't control. We must take solace in knowing eventually, freedom will win.
The ONLY way to profit is via Cyclical Consumption- this requires Violent resource acquisition (war), Waste & Planned Obsolescence to continue. Not to mention exploitation of workers. We no longer NEED money since we have the tech to supply everyone w/ resources via automated production & resource mgmt. $ was useful in an age of True scarcity, but not now. Scarcity is Created to raise perceived value. Diamonds are Burned, factories are run @ low capacity etc. We need a Resource Based Economy.
Yes, the Guv is evil BUT- WHY is the government evil? To accommodate CORPORATIONS. It is composed of business elites. If you think that corporations even in a "Free Market" where LLC rules don't apply, they would simply Co-opt the DRO's or any other regulating body that cramped their freedom to exploit people & the Earth for profit. The ROOT problem is MONEY. It is a medium of exchange that can be manipulated by those with the largest qty of it. A "Free Market" wouldn't change it at all.
@kingofthebrittains As long as human beings are made of matter there will be property. As long as there is property there will be certain forms of commodity property which are universally accepted as tradeable. This will be MONEY. You cannot wish it away. It's illogical to presume you can and yet even that has been tried and failed. Marx butchered far more people than the capitalists ever did, even with the imperfect market that exists today.
@deepfriedsammich Property is just a human concept like "Rights" are & no more real. Writing your Rights on a paper doesn't make them real. Property is just a way to secure resources in a time of scarcity, remove the scarcity & the need/motivation for property goes away. What people need is ACCESS to resources, not ownership of them. If you could go to a golf course & have the best clubs available to you, why would you want to lug them around, store them, maintain them etc? Same 4 homes,cars etc
@kingofthebrittains It's not a pure abstraction. Property is "access". It is exclusive control of something. It's no more mystical than that. You are attempting to wish some omniscient, omnibenevolent, disinterested, allocator of resources into existence by wishing away the concept of property and replacing it with the word "access," as if that signified something more or different. The socialists tried that. They killed a lot of people.
@deepfriedsammich That would be true if I were working within the old paradigm. How exclusive is ownership if someone can break it or take it from you? I'm not wishing, there is already a method for bringing this about called a Resource Based Economy. It's too much info to relate here, so please see TZMSocialEvolution channel on YT or Google "Peter Joseph-Where are we going" to learn more. There is a LOT of info to digest & Paradigm change takes time but it's the only way out of this mess.
@kingofthebrittains I'm not going to argue about the ends you propose. Low conflict violence free social interaction is eminently desireable. The problem is your means. The economics you propose makes the exact same mistake as socialism: it takes production as a given and focuses solely upon "distribution." It doesn't work. Mises pointed this out early in the twentieth century. It's called the Economic Calculation Problem and "Resource-Based Economics" has no answer for it.
@kingofthebrittains As long as human beings are made of matter there will be property. As long as there is property there will be certain forms of commodity property which are universally accepted as tradeable. This will be MONEY. You cannot wish it away. It's illogical to presume you can and yet even that has been tried and failed. Marx butchered far more people than the capitalists ever did, even with the imperfect market that exists today.
Pronunciation Police alert for Stef: you say irreVOCable but Merriam Webster's pronunciation feature confirms my suspicion that it is irREVocable. I am helpful.
How would investment work without corporations? Would I have to write the president of BP a personal check and hope that he uses it properly for the business?
What if a trucker hits me on the road and I need money for medical bills? The company the trucker works for makes billions, but because the trucker is broke, I am shit out of luck?
These are fundamental questions that your analysis does not account for.
@schulwitz I'm not well versed in legal things like this, but I believe you could still form a sort of alliance, much like an insurance group. A corporation is a shell, whereas what we need is an alliance of individuals, not one entity. I'm not positive how that would solve investment, but what you could do is maintain that entreprenuers have a business idenity that's directly associated with them. So it'd be like corporations but with personal stakes.
I still don't get how something like this would function in practice.
Let's say your "alliance" is selling gadgets. One of your employees sells me a gadget, but it malfunctions and cripples my child. Now who do I sue? I tried suing that one employee, but he was broke. Your alliance makes billions selling those gadgets, but states that each member of the alliance is held individually accountable for the product he/she sells.
This could be a more in-depth discussion but the basic fact is this: *if* an individual (such as a salesman or truck driver) is responsible for something tragic happening to your child, then THEY are responsible for paying your bills, and some other people certainly are NOT. If a bum beats you up, would you go looking for some innocent with money to pay your medical bills, because the bum is broke? In a free society, the blame is solely placed where it belongs.
Of course, if an individual employee is doing something wrong because guidelines force him to or because the product itself is faulty, then you may look to whom is responsible for the guidelines or the faulty production for the payment of your medical bills. This may be a shared guilt of the company owners or "alliance", in which case you could sue for much more.
But in any moral society, person A can never be guilty of the actions of person B, even if you can't pay your bills.
My example is meant to illustrate that without a corporate entity to sue, blame becomes nearly impossible to pinpoint. Most actions in a company involve different members in a variety of roles. So for instance, if my Toyota Camry crashes because of brake failure, I then try to sue the dealer, but the dealer blames the engineer and the engineer blames the R&D team, and they blame the safety inspectors, etc., etc.
This burden of proof makes it nearly impossible to assign blame.
@schulwitz That is a good point. The problem is that corporations can avoid blame in other ways. If no single person is held responsible, then the behavior may never change. In many accidents, corporations spend less money on dealing with the problem afterwards than they would by trying to prevent it. Corporations have limited liability and have many lawyers who protect them from lawsuits. It's rare for a corporation to be held fully accountable, but maybe it would be worse w/o corporations.
The failure of our legal system has less to do with the existence of corporations. Getting rid of corporations wouldn't necessarily solve the problem. First, there are various prejudices (race, class, appearance, etc) built into the system itself which have been proven by studies. Second, the rich (whether rich corporations or rich individuals) can always buy whole teams of the best lawyers and basically make it nearly impossible for justice to occur. The system is unfair & can be manipulated.
The money would come from all of them, technically. They entered in an agreement to pool resources. Like I said, it would work like an insurance group. Then it would be their benefit to find out who's to blame and take the action they deem necessary (perhaps firing).
With what you're envisioning, it sounds like no alliance really exists. It's very exploitative. They're your friends on good days, but they abandon you if you get in trouble. I wouldn't join.
You can look at it as funny, OR you can just stop giving a shit about the human race. Just give up on them, and become a spectator, having no emotional stake in the outcome.
@sonofhendrix I have a son, no i can not look at it as a Joke, to see his future destroyed. I have not choice bu to take my son out fishing over the next few months, before he can never do it again.
WAKE UP!
Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. And so we must straighten our backs and work for our freedom. A man can't ride you unless your back is bent. -MLK
No, no, no, no, no Stef, the kids aint even close to being the customers of the system. They're the customers the same way cows are customers of the abattoir. They don't choose the schools, they don't pay, they can sometimes pick which subjects they go into, from a limited menu they have no influence over. The customer is the government, and what's being sold isn't education, it's the impression that the government tried to educate.
Give me some Corporate Canadian Stories; seems unusual for a GUY living in Canada to fixate on U.S. Corporations. I'm not disagreeing with you, I just find it odd, your in the house taunting the bullies outside on your sidewalk.
MrSchpankme 3 months ago
@symbius1 3 years to global total fishing collapse. And people think the economy is bad...We are screwed.
nononsenseinrational 4 months ago
This is your typical egalitarian leftist crap that ruined our schools. He is very anti-American, how does he think the British empire ruled such for so long?
armitius66 4 months ago
@armitius66
"This is your typical egalitarian leftist crap that ruined our schools."
lol, quite the opposite actually.
KyleSkullz 4 months ago
excellent video
genghisdon1 6 months ago
are you an anarchist? wait a minute, by bad, I need to learn more about "ideologies..." etc. maybe a better question from me is "what 'ideology' do you hold dear to your heart, so much you would die representing it if it was threatened by the 'state'" as a form of "alternative" government? u know what? the Indians survived without a monetary system for years and years, but the Capitalists came as a "majority" and forced us to live like them. what do you think?
goohber1 6 months ago
@beatlesrock4ever -- Who is the keeper of this "history of deceit" -- there could not be a "public" record house, anyone with control over records has 'power' and is thus "gov't." In a free-society there is no DMV nor is there a need for "birth certificates" -- in fact identification is not needed. We would "agree" without contracts based on our word and references -- there are "no guarantees" in a free-society so the "property-ownership" argument is moot (in a free-society).
OctoBox 10 months ago
@beatlesrock4ever -- I agree no one living agreed to the Constitution nor a Voting Republic. We are fantacizing about how a free-market would function, not discussing reality. In said fantasy, my argument is that An-Cap leads back to Cap-italism, and on to Crony-Cap-italism. One of those All Cap's leads back to home type arguments, home being "reality." I would never chose the arbitrator of your choice and you would be suspect of my arbitrator, less we worked out a "deal" with said 3rd party
OctoBox 10 months ago
@beatlesrock4ever -- If you can assign "power" to a third party, what is the difference between that and a voting republic -- just because it's local does not make it "healthy." If you can sign-away your power (authority) then you can abdicate self-rule and self-ownership -- if you can do this in the short-run you can do it in the long-run, without a governing body to tell you not too; therefore, in the long-run An-Cap leads back to Cap-italism, and then onto Corporatism as third party grows.
OctoBox 10 months ago
"Bound" by contract? Who binds you in a free-society? Who runs the Force-Agency (Gov't) of Absolute Rule? They must have the "power" (right) over your property and person -- otherwise they have not "binding" power and you cannot guarantee contracts.
OctoBox 10 months ago
BP are a respected company, everybody makes mistakes .
eireshane81 11 months ago
@eireshane81 thats funny
snarfeater 11 months ago
I had a giant debate today and I won 1200$ because I watched this exact show. Thank you so much!
idapwnone 1 year ago 2
@dickdubin u realize u just did the same thing that u accused of. you have no evidence just a conclusion. u fuckin jackass if u wanna learn lets debate if u wanna make unwarrantes assertions than just dont comment.
fps0chris 1 year ago
as right as stef is about so much, he and many others are wrong about this: Corporations do not pass taxes along to the customers. or fees or fines or anything eles. This is why i say this. Corporations charge every single penny they can for their products every single time. If they could have raised the prices to cover anything they would have allready. Do you really think they are keeping prices low somehow, no.
captaindrywall 1 year ago
@captaindrywall Of course they go for profits, that's how they grow their businesses. But your view that they can arbitrarily charge whatever they want is uninformed. In a true free market with vibrant competition, your competitors move in on foolish businesses that overcharge. In real life businesspeople balance all their expenses and compete for efficiency to keep prices low, to attract customers. Government monopolies that get money from the gov don't have to compete to please customers
leafwatch 11 months ago
You are Stupet, YOU DONT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING.....:-(
This is the answer i got when we tried to talk to people about the wars, and all this madness.....PEOPLE GET WHAT THEY DESERVE!!! Just look now. How many people do we have like you!!? They have allready won this evil war, and soon humans are foce more and more to eat gen. Sheet, while they themselfs have food underground for 200 years...Wake up people!!
BishiSab 1 year ago
This argument is a long non-sequitur, and would be much stronger if Stef stuck to logos rather than pathos. The US federal government condoning torture in prisons across the globe does not necessarily segue into whether it cares about wildlife in the Gulf. One can be hidden from public view (and was for quite some time), the other is an immediate disaster that must be responded to because it is within the public sphere of knowledge.
MaskedWallaby 1 year ago
I love everything that you said in here, Kudos my friend. Shared on Facebook by several people. your video is getting bounced all over the place..
kentek2007 1 year ago
LOL
111imstupid111 1 year ago
Interesting that you brought up your lil' "mini-me", your corporation (the straw-man).
Now guess what: It does exist! It is a fictional (dead) entity that stands as gov. collateral, ie a stock paper - It isn't you (a free living being) who's being forced to pay taxes but your corporation, which came into existence at registry of your birth ("berth" according to maritime law). So the solution is quite simple: In order to quit being child of the state, stop representing your legal name! ;)
Info4People 1 year ago
@Info4People Yes true, but you also have2 keep in mind how mafia and criminal the goverment is. Do you think they will let that slide,n let you just unplug from their system, EVEN IF you were playin by their rules..No, as a human being if you dont exist in their system they probably will make it so that you dont exist at all. U will no longer have rights, which arent really rights at all, theyre just privledges which can be taken...Self sufficiency and independece from the system is the key...
ZionSamurai87 1 year ago
@ZionSamurai87
That may be true in part of the world where there is no such thing as "the rule of law" or even just the pretence of such, where legal philosophy doesn't matter.
But then again, let me remind you that in a true free world there is no such thing as "rights" either (all fictional). Subsequently, no other entity has the "right" to impose on you!
Of coruse freeman sometimes get jailed. Mostly however, due to lack of police knowledge or assumptive transfer of juristiction.
Info4People 1 year ago
Example:
Judge: "Do you understand?"
"Defendant": "Yes"
Consequence: Juristiction handed over as the "defendant" agreed to "stand under" the judge.
Another example:
Judge: "Would John Doe please rise"
"Defendant" gets up.
Consequence: Juristiction handed over as the "defendant" agreed to represent the legal fiction John Doe.
and so on... you get the picture :))
/watch?v=8EzJsUExEDE
Info4People 1 year ago
WHO IS HE ? ??
AND WHAT SHOULD WE DO ??
WHAT CAN WE DO
kavazaka 1 year ago
Omg. You are seriously my new HERO. wow.
PRESTOSAURUSREX 1 year ago
sensationalism with misguided conclusions and jumps in logic.
DickDubin 1 year ago
Interesting points. However, you ought to know that the reality of what will happen if teachers lose tenure. The students will not be the ones in charge. Rather, Administrators, politicians and the Corporation/State matrix will have more power and not kids. We are headed in that direction with the "teach to the test" mentality, and a loss of tenure leads even further. I am in favor of lowering the voting age to 13, by the way, so I am not opposed to student power.
CHistrue 1 year ago
No wonder the majority of citizens are unconscious...their master made it that way.
TheJovanist 1 year ago
WOW!!!!!!!!!! JUST WOW!!!!!!!!!!! IM SPEECHLESS, BUT I THINK I'LL RECOVER....EVERYONE SHOULD SEE THIS!
TheJoshJman 1 year ago
Spot on about the corporate structure. What BP did is criminal. They do belong in jail. The same goes for Wall Street and the banks. The question is why do sociopaths do so well in corporate America? Why are there many in government?
666sigma 1 year ago
I'm at school at they still give us homework on weekends as well...This makes me sick
MartyHITD 1 year ago
Do you live in america or the U.K ?
MartyHITD 1 year ago
or the Corporations having any interest in creating a country of philosophers who will not do any work or menial tasks required to keep the engine of civilization moving. This "engine" seems to need human fuel in order to exist. This fuel is comprised of the 80% who produce. The -10% (non producers) and the +10%(thinkers) are a mere statistical consequence that will happen regardless of any efforts by the Government or Corporation. Corruption in these systems should therefore be examined.
ZeusTelemaxos 1 year ago
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@ZeusTelemaxos You make no sense to me.
MrJosephMarzullo 1 year ago
..that some will filter down to end up in incarcerated because they are a danger to the rest of us in equal numbers to those who filter upwards in order to become a benefit to all of us. So it seems that the Government/Corporate educational systems goal is to create that mediocre individual, that 80% tile, who will prop up the system by fulfilling a role in a retail or a production environment and who will pay for the existence of a Government or a corporation.
I don't see the Government..
ZeusTelemaxos 1 year ago
@ZeusTelemaxos Government created the corporate structure, you know..
MrJosephMarzullo 1 year ago
..and corporate corruption, in order to continue to live in a peaceful environment which is ruled by some measure of law regardless of how imperfect it is. To me it seems very obvious that the interest of the Government and the Corporations is to produce LOW skilled workers to prop up the society and the corporate structure by paying taxes. Out of the masses then there is a statistical certainty that some will filter up to become Thinkers, scientists leaders etc. Similar to the certainty..
ZeusTelemaxos 1 year ago
lead us down the path to "righteousness". However, When one does not subscribe to any particular kind of religion or an ethical code of behavior, then their behavior is merely a cost-to-benefit ratio. Another-wards, the only thing that can keep one from harming the other is simply the cost. This is what I'm struggling with when i hear your videos. I can see the corruption of Government and the corporate structures that it creates.However,it seems that we have turned a blind eye on Government..
ZeusTelemaxos 1 year ago
..in order to exact some sort of justice and to possibly deter another wrong from happening again by attaching some kind of punishment or consequence for that wrong. The adjudicators of this Justice and the executors of the law typically are the government. Please make a video showing us how we can have a society without the existence of a legislative, judicial or executive system which is there as a valve and a guide to keep US from harming one another in our society. Religion was supposed...
ZeusTelemaxos 1 year ago
Stef..
I do love your videos. however, they have one thing in common that causes me a bit of confusion.a complete anti government message. Human beings decided to come together as societies in order to support each other and live together more efficiently, peacefully and successfully. In any society therefore, problems will arise between INDIVIDUALS. Be it a physical crime, a theft or some kind of wrong done by one of us to the other. therefore we establish "Laws" a code of conduct if you will..
ZeusTelemaxos 1 year ago
@ZeusTelemaxos A code of involuntary bullshit if you will
MrJosephMarzullo 1 year ago
my brain hurt
gilyardk 1 year ago
I was only able to watch half because of the unbelievably slow download! I am in agreement with 100% of what I did hear. I got as far as the comment about 'tenure'...
I have know idea why it finally stopped downloading ??? I enjoy finding like minded
thinkers, it's hard to do in this day and age. I'll keep an eye out for more of same...
mojorisin54 1 year ago
big piece of spit flying at 5:02
evanparker 1 year ago
Just wait till the "one child" policy in initiated, the need for teacher's will be less. Being a teacher, I tend to agree with you. School boards give us the curriculum which is run by the government of coarse. Teacher's can take this curriculum and teach it in imaginative ways.
baglady999 1 year ago
From your accent I would say you are Swiss, Danish, Belgian or perhaps Finnish. If so, the education system in those countries PRIOR TO "university" as you Europeans call it, is honestly MUCH better than ours. But I would ask you to PLEASE take a look at the differences in society. America is ALL ABOUT COMPETITION, where as Europe, (& Asian countries) is about FAMILY. That makes a huge difference in educating children, as well.
kaydee37 1 year ago
You know, I could agree with you on many points here, but on the point of education I must whole-heartedly disagree. I taught for 10 years then got OUT! The problem is this SOCIETY! The lack of value placed on education & children, in general. I was a single parent for MANY years & was constantly involved with my child--it has paid off 100 fold. However, as a teacher I saw children come to school dirty, hungry, neglected, those who were allowed to watch R rated movies @ the age of 4...cont'd
kaydee37 1 year ago
@kaydee37 parents who treated children as adults--no guidance, no TIME SPENT with the children--I could go on and on. Now, while this is NOT the case with every child/every family, it is a HUGE problem. Mommy&daddy (if one is around) are too busy working to pay for their Hummer or Coach bags they can't afford & the child(ren) takes a backseat. If a child is not taught to value: education, authority figures, is not fed/not enough rest, etc, the best education system in the world cannot help them!
kaydee37 1 year ago
FREE DOMAIN I LOVE YOU PASSIONATELY
algrenesque 1 year ago
corporate personhood = corporations have more rights than humans
timsartsite 1 year ago
The U.S.A. is a Republic and Free interprise system; We are a robust and vibrant economy. Our Nation is the only Nation on this Earth, that you can voice an opinion concerning a elected official and never worry about being arrested for it. We excel in Education and produce brilliant minds that pave the future for generations to come. WHEW! that was a fantastic blast from the past!!!
lkevins1 1 year ago
As far I have researched-The Zeitgeist Movement is the only Group out there that has brought up some Real and Tangible Solutions to ACTUALLY SOLVE OUR ECONOMICAL, SOCIAL & ECOLOGICAL CRISIS - watch "Awakening 1/4" (short video) and "Zeitgeist Addendum" to know more about it. Both of them are on YouTube. The SOLUTIONS presented in both videos are already being applied and they have already been proved to work in the short and long run. It's about time to expand/spread it World Wide.
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FactualSolutions 1 year ago
Yes the BP OIL spill contains toxins like Nathalene and benzene but they aren't telling us this .. air must be toxic for hundreds of miles check out jolietgeff youtube channel for details
jolietgeff 1 year ago
awsome video
islandonlinenews 1 year ago
I think stefan is acting in most of his videos. lets not forget this man has had acting lessons
ThePhilosophicalMind 1 year ago
I do believe you have a point, but this has nothing to do with fascism.
nileyz 1 year ago
"They" cannot be shielded from the public opinion when the chickens come home to roost. stefbot: Humans are truly Amazing but quiet insane all the same.
theGetRealGuy 1 year ago
The president now pretends to "kick ass" - very hard to do from the bent over position while simultaneously fellating the oil, the coal and, all over again, the nuclear industry.
After all, they keep repeating the mantra, alternative energy is still 35 years out.
They don't tell us it remains 35 years out because they're not investing in it. If they'd funded the Apollo project the way they're funding clean energy the moon shot would also still have been 35 years out.
fctchk 1 year ago
This is really scary if it is true. I guess money matters... BP needs to be disassembled and this effect needs to ripple through to the CEO
rob2049 1 year ago
unfortunately this is true news, sometimes i wish fox news was right, then the world would be a good place.
KingOfKingz911 1 year ago
I have been away from you for way too long. You do speak sense!
CelticReject 1 year ago
Hahahahahaha I love it!! I can actually see a dude with grass growing out of his pockets lolololol
aburgheim 1 year ago
Here is Peter Schiff's opinion on the BP liability for the oil spill: watch?v=m4OCIX-rzXg
alalelalex 1 year ago
AWESOME!!
aburgheim 1 year ago
love love love how you put this
Judy101101 1 year ago
The only thing that makes me uncomfortable about your videos is that you break everything down so that there is literally nothing for me to add, it makes me uncomfortable that you do all the thinking for me, and I'm just sitting there agreeing with you with nothing new to say about the topic, like I'm just receiving logic, instead of doing it myself, that's why people who can't figure it out by themselves, should listen to this. I couldn't agree more with your logic, that's all I have to say...
PollockQT 1 year ago
I agree with a lot of this but he implies that free market minus company's would change anything which it would not and getting rid of public schools would only deprive the vulnerable of a fighting chance at life. ( (Q)Why do most parents not send children to private, (A) Can't afford it. ) Private schools exist if you want to go to one, the regulations are just quality controls to ensure the schools keep to a certain quality (nothing outrageous there). I'm Irish, no multiple choice over here.
meadowsirl 1 year ago
@meadowsirl Stef has much previously released material on why gov't ownership of education and methods are heinous. He has already addressed the comments you made. He has videos on this channel, podcasts and books and white papers available for free on his web site. I humbly suggest that you seek out these highly enlightening resources and consider their content. The bottom line is, a sane loving society should educate children, so they become happy adults. Gov't has no interest in doing that.
MrDorkusMaximus 1 year ago 12
@MrDorkusMaximus I don't know what its like over in america but over here in Ireland I actually look back and think most of my education was pretty good, i'm thankful for it. I didn't like everything but it was good for me, same in college. The libertarian ideas about school I could find is go to a Coca-cola school and learn to be a good consumer or be home schooled / unschooled. Which is what it was like before public schools revolutionized education.
meadowsirl 1 year ago
@meadowsirl In the United States, private schools on average costs half of what public schools cost, you are just forced to pay for public schools in property taxes so it is hidden. In the United States the public schools and the regulations on the private school insert a great deal of patriotic propaganda, I'm sure it is similar in other countries.
Caveman135 1 year ago
@Caveman135 Put a price tag on the basics and the have-nots will be left out. I wouldn't like to live in a country where I have to pay for air, I think its perfectly OK to use taxes to pay for such things.
meadowsirl 1 year ago
@meadowsirl Will you like to be the one who starts jailing those who refuse to pay?
StanwoodDesign 1 year ago
@StanwoodDesign do you mean jailing those who refuse to pay for their children's education in a private school or refusing to pay the taxes?
meadowsirl 1 year ago
@meadowsirl where do the taxes come from? what or whom do we tax? The income tax only pays for the interest on the national debt, which doesn't accomplish much anyhow.
freakfiend32 1 year ago
damn. ur actually pretty good.
like lissting to u dude. lol
eminem147792 1 year ago
Great video but adjust your camera. I can see your ceiling in the corner :V
mf91007 1 year ago
Hello Stefbot, Sometimes I think that the reason that the president has let this spill go on without any real action, especially from the corp of engineers, is that if the spill spreads and most of the wildlife die then their is no reason not to create more drilling rigs in the gulf. The government might say that the country should lemonade out of lemons - why not drill for more oil if the damage is already done. What do you think? Does this line of thought have a merit?
MrWoodsense 1 year ago
Stef, you mention that corporations as a government-enforced legal entity, BP in this case, are responsible for these disasters. But what if the organization of a corporation (treating it as one entity) is demanded for its efficiency and exists under a voluntary society by DRO provisions? Not a criticism of the underlying philosophy, but under that particular argument couldn't these accountability-based disasters still exist?
bigheb774 1 year ago
@bigheb774 It's not a criticism of a large firms. The "corporation" is a specific legal entity which shares some of the limited liability of government in return for special taxation and regulation.
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What that limited liability does is insulate the people in the firm from the repercussions of their choices, by creating a legal "person" out of the corporation, and then punishes the corporation as if it commits crimes, rather than the people who actually made the decisions.
CurtHowland 1 year ago
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bigheb774 1 year ago
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@CurtHowland I agree, but what I am saying is not simply the largeness of the firm still existing under DRO provisions but the limited liability part of the modern corporation that you speak of. Granted, the legal concept of a corporation is historically leftover from mercantilism and was originally just a government-granted monopoly (e.g. East India Company). But as people have said, a lot of businesspeople like it because it shields them so there may still be considerable demand for it.
bigheb774 1 year ago
@bigheb774 "But as people have said, a lot of businesspeople like it because it shields them so there may still be considerable demand for it."
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As you say, "it shields them". When that structure can no longer legally shield them, the demand will evaporate for more efficient forms.
CurtHowland 1 year ago
@bigheb774 In a free market, it is very possible that firms will not get "huge" by the simple fact that when the company gets big enough it's impossible not to step on someone's toes somewhere.
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I'm not going to call this a bad thing.
CurtHowland 1 year ago
@CurtHowland Good point. I believe Rothbard did some work on this by applying Mises' socialist calculation problem to the massive firm to demonstrate how lack of a price structure within the firm's activities actually limits the size of the firm under free market conditions.
bigheb774 1 year ago
Shielding executives (and other employees) from legal liability is exactly what a corporation is for. Look up the definition of a corporation: "A corporation is an institution that is granted a charter recognizing it as a separate legal entity having its own privileges, and liabilities distinct from those of its members."
SSedmak 1 year ago
@integration11 If you DON'T know why your kids are not learning, I do.
jharrod123 1 year ago
It's good to here some unindoctrinated reason
TheMrCorvax 1 year ago 2
Saying that corporations can pass over cost increases over to the consumer and laborers is just bad economics, especially when seen from an Austrian point of view. Increases in costs will cost the company revenues/sales which will lead it to be able to 'facilitate' less employees. That the CEOs will not feel much of the pain and the role of corporations as a state-created entity without liability is imho a related, but separate issue.
wreagfe 1 year ago
Well done, again, Stefbot. The corporate-state is a two headed monster joined at the hip. They could not exist without each other. The pixie dust of democracy thrown over the whole operation seems to have fooled most of the of people most of the time.
givemeabreakhere 1 year ago 2
I see this man has a few devoted fans that want to jump to his defense. Well, first of all, I wasn't attacking him. Secondly, if he is as smart and innovative as you all would like to believe, he can defend his own words with out you trying to stump me with inane questions on "what I do." If you would rather listen to him prattle on and agree with him, how are you any different then the Glenn Beck fans?
jharrod123 1 year ago
@jharrod123 People research his site who are actually serious about critiquing him, rather than having him defending every single claim or criticism made on Youtube. It's just not worth the effort. If you really want to be critical, go to the website. The answers to all your questions are there if you're interested. If you're not, then you're wasting your time here. This vid is here to interest you and maybe inform you, not give you every piece of information that you need to make a decision.
ForOrAgainstUs 1 year ago
@ForOrAgainstUs He speaks a little too passionately for it to be a simple cliff note. He calls corporations "mutant legal shields." This does not seem like he is introducing corporations to his audience as you seem to be implying. It is more a claim or voicing of opinion not based in all the facts. I am not looking for answers, I have them already. I am simply suggesting he refrain from the subjective language if HE doesn't have all the info.
jharrod123 1 year ago
@jharrod123 I'm not saying this is an introduction at all. This is pre-introduction to get you interested. If you're not interested, or if you don't like his style, let him know (guess you already have) and maybe he'll try to accommodate you.
This is a passionate and informed rant (not necessarily informative). There's nothing false about what he's saying. If you have a beef with facts or that he's leaving something out, trust us, we've heard it before, and we can discuss it on the FDR boards.
ForOrAgainstUs 1 year ago
@ForOrAgainstUs See, now you are just mincing words. What is a "pre-introduction?" Seriously? And the only thing this speaker wants his audience interested in, is his opinions. Big corporations are guilty of many ethics violations, but to say incorporating is just a business's way shielf themselves from liability is ignorant generalization. Its not a matter of his style, its a matter of his words and the way he thinks.
jharrod123 1 year ago
@jharrod123 Go watch his Intro to Philosophy series on Youtube. That is an introduction.
ForOrAgainstUs 1 year ago
@ForOrAgainstUs Ok, if you want to be his disciple, go right ahead. I'm not interested.
jharrod123 1 year ago
@jharrod123: As a business owner that has been incorporated. I can agree w/ this man speaking for my business partners and myself did the corporation as a shield to protect ourselves and our personal belongings from the company and any lawsuits it might see. Clearly you have never done a corporation to understand the rules and whys. You can open a biz in USA as a corp, do all things wrong, pay no bills and then collapse it and open another corp w/ no punishment to yourself. The system is broken.
QuietBuck 1 year ago
You sound like a far left version of Faux News. You fail to mention that corporatizing also helps protect non profits and charities from having to pay taxes. You fail to mention that an individual is able to incorporate as well, albeit with difficulty. You are just as bad as the far right, you're doing nothing but finger pointing. How about using your "clarity" to do more then make videos on youtube...
jharrod123 1 year ago
@jharrod123 You might want to watch more of his videos. They are quite thought provoking.
Loyal2Liberty 1 year ago
@Loyal2Liberty I do not need to be provoked into thinking. I can pull that off on my own. That's the problem with people like him and his opposites on the far right, the provoke thought, unfortunately for those who listen it is specific and subjective thought, not objective thought.
jharrod123 1 year ago
@jharrod123
So what do you suggest Stef do than making videos on youtube? You have any examples? Like stuff that you do?
subjer0 1 year ago
@subjer0 I suggest he stop trying to provoke thought with subjective opinions based on half truths, and instead focus on learning then inspiring objective thinking. Until then, he, and his fans, are no better then Glenn Beck and his fans. Just on opposite sides of the fence.
jharrod123 1 year ago
America is at the same point Rome was prior to the rise of Caesar. Foreign wars, national debt, a decaying currency.
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So either an emperor will come up to "save" America by destroying it, or America will balkinize into a bunch of independent regional entities.
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The former will mean unpredictable bloodshed, the latter will be comparatively peaceful. And the latter can't happen too soon to de-fang leviathan.
CurtHowland 1 year ago
Look, if there are illegal activities of individuals within a corporation, they can be prosecuted. The Corporate Veil is a necessary part of a business structure, because it protects personal assets from a business failure. That's it. As for the corporation in question, shareholder value has fallen by over 25% that's billions of dollars. Government is at fault here, as much as BP. If it wasn't for environmentalists we would already be energy efficient, w/o having to drill in the Gulf.
captaindiesalot 1 year ago
Students always get to evaluate teachers here in Sweden :)
Eikus89 1 year ago
Thank you for the cogent explanation of corporatism. Your thoughts, time and effort are much appreciated.
conformist1337 1 year ago
first white guy that tells the truth like it is, thank you!
Made respect!
corrado47 1 year ago
@corrado47 Stef's awesome, but if you want to hear about solutions to the ROOT CAUSES of these problems Google "Zeitgeist Addendum" or see the TZMSocialEvolution channel on YT. Economics/Capitalism is obsolete & has run it's course & what we see today are it's death throes. If we don't have a plan to transition out of it, shit will get really ugly & the corporate despots will rule supreme. We can't afford to live in the old way anymore, Nature won't allow it. It's time to Adapt or Perish.
kingofthebrittains 1 year ago
@kingofthebrittains Economics? Human Action deriving from subjective value? Is obsolete? Let's run tha tthrough the debugger shall we, with a test action based upon the theory. The Human Action of acquiring, trading for or eating food, is obsolete: theories conclusion, all humans are dead - possibly not true. Capitalism as voluntary interaction, is obsolete. Reverse case Test, violence is in fashion. Well, you are correct, violence is the way atm, so lets implement capitalism for the first time!
DreadLaw2 1 year ago
@DreadLaw2 Not when we have the ability to provide for everyone at a high standard of living via automated factories, farms & water plants. In the context of scarcity you would be right, but scarcity now is Created to keep prices up. It, like the whole economy is FALSE, FIAT. The only way to understand what I'm saying is to learn about the new paradigm of post-scarcity. Otherwise it seems nuts. See Awakening part 1-4 on YT for more on this. 400 words is far too short to relate the info properly.
kingofthebrittains 1 year ago
i agree about all dat esp. the school and economic shield stuff
fascism
same root word as: fascia, fashion (probly)
the fascia, which is found under the fat of the thigh, covers the muscle
you got ta cut through the fascia to get to tha prime beef
yeah
natmanprime 1 year ago
8 days before oil spill Halliburton buys a company that cleans it up Boots & Coots,
huggmeok 1 year ago
Great logic as always, and nice Stef action figure you got there! :)
Nebbyker 1 year ago
@DaveDoggOwns Yes, there are many types of education and many ways to become educated. I'm a fan of self-education as I don't think the education necessarily served me all that well. OTOH the public school system I went to in South Carolina did include learning a trade if a student so desired. A friend I had learned various technical skills in the public school system and the last time I heard he was using these skills to run his own business.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@baphomettheeternal I somewhat agree. But who is to decide what is useful? Is history useful? I think that a liberal education that includes a wide variety of knowledge (both the seemingly useful & useless) because education prepares a child for the future & no one can absolutely predict what will be useful in the future. I'd prefer an education system that focused on teaching kids how to learn & on teaching kids to appreciate the value of learning (rather than on memorizing factoids).
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
This comment may get deleted, but here goes: This is why it's time for vigilante justice. If some of those corporate criminals were abducted, and their tortured bodies started turning up, and it continued to happen, the rest *might* start doing the right thing. It would accomplish what NOTHING else could do. It's not legal and not right, but, hey, why care? They don't. What they do is not right or legal either. Granted, it's easier said than done, but it could indeed be done if planned right.
TheMrBlinx 1 year ago
@TheMrBlinx Google "assassination politics"
NelsonMartin67 1 year ago
@TheMrBlinx I think they would just start hiring security if that happened.
somaobsidian 1 year ago
Another great, insightful video, but I can tell you're getting frustrated and angry like a lot of us with open eyes. Please, don't let the system hurt your spirit. It's one of the few things they can't control. We must take solace in knowing eventually, freedom will win.
purebacon 1 year ago
The ONLY way to profit is via Cyclical Consumption- this requires Violent resource acquisition (war), Waste & Planned Obsolescence to continue. Not to mention exploitation of workers. We no longer NEED money since we have the tech to supply everyone w/ resources via automated production & resource mgmt. $ was useful in an age of True scarcity, but not now. Scarcity is Created to raise perceived value. Diamonds are Burned, factories are run @ low capacity etc. We need a Resource Based Economy.
kingofthebrittains 1 year ago
Yes, the Guv is evil BUT- WHY is the government evil? To accommodate CORPORATIONS. It is composed of business elites. If you think that corporations even in a "Free Market" where LLC rules don't apply, they would simply Co-opt the DRO's or any other regulating body that cramped their freedom to exploit people & the Earth for profit. The ROOT problem is MONEY. It is a medium of exchange that can be manipulated by those with the largest qty of it. A "Free Market" wouldn't change it at all.
kingofthebrittains 1 year ago
@kingofthebrittains As long as human beings are made of matter there will be property. As long as there is property there will be certain forms of commodity property which are universally accepted as tradeable. This will be MONEY. You cannot wish it away. It's illogical to presume you can and yet even that has been tried and failed. Marx butchered far more people than the capitalists ever did, even with the imperfect market that exists today.
deepfriedsammich 1 year ago
@deepfriedsammich Property is just a human concept like "Rights" are & no more real. Writing your Rights on a paper doesn't make them real. Property is just a way to secure resources in a time of scarcity, remove the scarcity & the need/motivation for property goes away. What people need is ACCESS to resources, not ownership of them. If you could go to a golf course & have the best clubs available to you, why would you want to lug them around, store them, maintain them etc? Same 4 homes,cars etc
kingofthebrittains 1 year ago
@kingofthebrittains It's not a pure abstraction. Property is "access". It is exclusive control of something. It's no more mystical than that. You are attempting to wish some omniscient, omnibenevolent, disinterested, allocator of resources into existence by wishing away the concept of property and replacing it with the word "access," as if that signified something more or different. The socialists tried that. They killed a lot of people.
deepfriedsammich 1 year ago
@deepfriedsammich That would be true if I were working within the old paradigm. How exclusive is ownership if someone can break it or take it from you? I'm not wishing, there is already a method for bringing this about called a Resource Based Economy. It's too much info to relate here, so please see TZMSocialEvolution channel on YT or Google "Peter Joseph-Where are we going" to learn more. There is a LOT of info to digest & Paradigm change takes time but it's the only way out of this mess.
kingofthebrittains 1 year ago
@kingofthebrittains I'm not going to argue about the ends you propose. Low conflict violence free social interaction is eminently desireable. The problem is your means. The economics you propose makes the exact same mistake as socialism: it takes production as a given and focuses solely upon "distribution." It doesn't work. Mises pointed this out early in the twentieth century. It's called the Economic Calculation Problem and "Resource-Based Economics" has no answer for it.
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@kingofthebrittains As long as human beings are made of matter there will be property. As long as there is property there will be certain forms of commodity property which are universally accepted as tradeable. This will be MONEY. You cannot wish it away. It's illogical to presume you can and yet even that has been tried and failed. Marx butchered far more people than the capitalists ever did, even with the imperfect market that exists today.
deepfriedsammich 1 year ago
why on earth do you have a stefbot action figure! fucking free market....
whyyoumadlol 1 year ago
"Wrong piece of vegetation"....Laughed very hard.
TANSD 1 year ago 13
Too hard...
PollockQT 1 year ago
Great work sir
amanuscarr 1 year ago
I hope you spend little bit of time away from such information- balance is important- the 'swan dive' is ever popular.
ehpl 1 year ago
Brilliant and spot on
thanks for putting it to us so eloquently
5 Stars
stratcatavarious 1 year ago
Thank you again, I love the passion you bring.
thevanities11 1 year ago
No war for Israel
watch?v=_qxzZY4JycY
SallyAndreews 1 year ago
thanks mate.
zeropointemcs 1 year ago
I feel your getting better. Its been a while since I´ve seen your videos. keep it up
Salocin27 1 year ago
Pronunciation Police alert for Stef: you say irreVOCable but Merriam Webster's pronunciation feature confirms my suspicion that it is irREVocable. I am helpful.
not2tees 1 year ago
thank you Stephan, thank you very much!!!
ePOcp3t 1 year ago
Your such a smart mother fucker i wish i could talk like that
jake4569 1 year ago 3
"a twist for their pretzel" lol
somaobsidian 1 year ago
I wish teachers would have changed my answers to the correct ones -__-
Stef do a video on thailand protests!!!
OntologicalQuandary 1 year ago
Isn't Freedomain Radio a corporation?
How would investment work without corporations? Would I have to write the president of BP a personal check and hope that he uses it properly for the business?
What if a trucker hits me on the road and I need money for medical bills? The company the trucker works for makes billions, but because the trucker is broke, I am shit out of luck?
These are fundamental questions that your analysis does not account for.
schulwitz 1 year ago
@schulwitz I'm not well versed in legal things like this, but I believe you could still form a sort of alliance, much like an insurance group. A corporation is a shell, whereas what we need is an alliance of individuals, not one entity. I'm not positive how that would solve investment, but what you could do is maintain that entreprenuers have a business idenity that's directly associated with them. So it'd be like corporations but with personal stakes.
somaobsidian 1 year ago
@somaobsidian
I still don't get how something like this would function in practice.
Let's say your "alliance" is selling gadgets. One of your employees sells me a gadget, but it malfunctions and cripples my child. Now who do I sue? I tried suing that one employee, but he was broke. Your alliance makes billions selling those gadgets, but states that each member of the alliance is held individually accountable for the product he/she sells.
So now what, I'm shit out of luck?
schulwitz 1 year ago
@schulwitz
This could be a more in-depth discussion but the basic fact is this: *if* an individual (such as a salesman or truck driver) is responsible for something tragic happening to your child, then THEY are responsible for paying your bills, and some other people certainly are NOT. If a bum beats you up, would you go looking for some innocent with money to pay your medical bills, because the bum is broke? In a free society, the blame is solely placed where it belongs.
tridentmovies 1 year ago
@schulwitz
Of course, if an individual employee is doing something wrong because guidelines force him to or because the product itself is faulty, then you may look to whom is responsible for the guidelines or the faulty production for the payment of your medical bills. This may be a shared guilt of the company owners or "alliance", in which case you could sue for much more.
But in any moral society, person A can never be guilty of the actions of person B, even if you can't pay your bills.
tridentmovies 1 year ago
@tridentmovies
My example is meant to illustrate that without a corporate entity to sue, blame becomes nearly impossible to pinpoint. Most actions in a company involve different members in a variety of roles. So for instance, if my Toyota Camry crashes because of brake failure, I then try to sue the dealer, but the dealer blames the engineer and the engineer blames the R&D team, and they blame the safety inspectors, etc., etc.
This burden of proof makes it nearly impossible to assign blame.
schulwitz 1 year ago
@schulwitz That is a good point. The problem is that corporations can avoid blame in other ways. If no single person is held responsible, then the behavior may never change. In many accidents, corporations spend less money on dealing with the problem afterwards than they would by trying to prevent it. Corporations have limited liability and have many lawyers who protect them from lawsuits. It's rare for a corporation to be held fully accountable, but maybe it would be worse w/o corporations.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
The failure of our legal system has less to do with the existence of corporations. Getting rid of corporations wouldn't necessarily solve the problem. First, there are various prejudices (race, class, appearance, etc) built into the system itself which have been proven by studies. Second, the rich (whether rich corporations or rich individuals) can always buy whole teams of the best lawyers and basically make it nearly impossible for justice to occur. The system is unfair & can be manipulated.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@schulwitz
The money would come from all of them, technically. They entered in an agreement to pool resources. Like I said, it would work like an insurance group. Then it would be their benefit to find out who's to blame and take the action they deem necessary (perhaps firing).
With what you're envisioning, it sounds like no alliance really exists. It's very exploitative. They're your friends on good days, but they abandon you if you get in trouble. I wouldn't join.
somaobsidian 1 year ago
Unparelleled clarity of insight as usual
KraljevicPavle 1 year ago 12
@KraljevicPavle thanks!
stefbot 1 year ago 4
You can look at it as funny, OR you can just stop giving a shit about the human race. Just give up on them, and become a spectator, having no emotional stake in the outcome.
sonofhendrix 1 year ago
@sonofhendrix I have a son, no i can not look at it as a Joke, to see his future destroyed. I have not choice bu to take my son out fishing over the next few months, before he can never do it again.
WAKE UP!
Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. And so we must straighten our backs and work for our freedom. A man can't ride you unless your back is bent. -MLK
Karmathejedi1701 1 year ago
at 5:00 mark I thought you were drinkingwithbob, What's next what's next what's next???
PopcornforApocalypse 1 year ago
i love you man,
you're even angrier than me !!!
well done sir !!!
vegetize 1 year ago
the logic master :)
djdnauk1977 1 year ago
No, no, no, no, no Stef, the kids aint even close to being the customers of the system. They're the customers the same way cows are customers of the abattoir. They don't choose the schools, they don't pay, they can sometimes pick which subjects they go into, from a limited menu they have no influence over. The customer is the government, and what's being sold isn't education, it's the impression that the government tried to educate.
newperve 1 year ago
As the Government are in the most part a lying entity..why do you believe them in the first place that there is an actual spill has happened?
skyarcher 1 year ago
How much sense can one man make.
Love your work Stef... and don't ever hold back!
timbobau 1 year ago 5
Thank "god" for you!
rockstarofredondo 1 year ago 2