Great sounding kit, thanks! I'd love to some to your studio and learn to record my drums like that and when I'm rich enough to afford all those mics too :)
@xMasterxRazorx I think, by the sound I hear, that each channel has A LOT of processing, ie: gate, compressor, eq. those three I'm pretty much sure are present
It's funny how we hear the gates on the drums when the speaking mic comes on and you can still hear the tom ringing that had a really short decay through the close mic.
@AncientItalianSecret Yes, listening to it like this makes it sound bad, but that's what you want most of the time in a full mix with other instruments.
It would have been interesting to be able to listen to the bone dry signals of the Mics without Eqing, compression and reverb, because the viewer would then see how the signal SHOULD sound like, so one would know if their microphones are positioned correctly - and thats what this video mainly is about, right?
Terrible. It takes a LOT more space for a lower frequency sound wave to hit full peak. I believe an 80hz wave sits full peak @ ~5ft (~14ft from Peak/Null/Peak)
@SignatureSoundStudio Thank you for these wonderful videos! Even though I don't have a single microphone in my home, they're still very interesting to watch.
The only thing boggling me is where did you get all of that knowledge from?
Is it a college degree? Or just from your own experience?
I wonder how can you achieve such a level of knowledge on this subject...
Problem is when you have a large drum set like me. Also when you have a limited budget. I remember when I was a junior in High School, me and my bassist trued to record with zero budget and I miced my set with an overhead microphone (for singing not recording) and a bass microphone running into a Kustom PA head that ran into a computer with $50 software. It actually didn't sound half bad once I turned the mic away from the crash.
@danmarcelino One of the cool things about the KM100 is that you can switch out the capsule in order to change the polar pattern. You wouldn't want to use an omni mic to record the hat as it would introduce too much bleed from the other pieces of the kit.
I think the biggest thing missing is telling everyone that it doesn't matter how great your mics or placement is, if your kit sounds like crap, and you're in a shitty room, it will never sound this good.
@scottiev77 I agree with half of that. It's true that a bad kit in a bad room will sound bad. However, it matters immensely how you position the mics. Of course having nice mics will help the sound, but you can make a mediocre kit sound decent with cheap mics as long as you have good mic placement.
@SignatureSoundStudio I agree. Mic placement is like 80% of "good sound" when you record. If you have a good mic placement and just mix a nice stereo image, you can get a huge sound, even without that many mics and mediocre gear.
People dont realize the final mix probably was made to fit within a boundary for a certain song. Of course the man knows his Room and Overheads sound nice.
Hi there, so I am looking at starting up a mic set for my drums, and I am wondering which ones to get first? By listening to this audio, I judged that the two overhead mics seem to do a pretty good job on their own. What would you recommend me getting first?
@cakes1234321 If you have no mics at all, you should consider getting a couple Shure SM57s. They are an essential piece of any mic collection and are extremely versatile. If you wanted to start with overheads, any cheap pair of small diaphragm condensers will do the trick. Google 'Glyn Johns technique' and 'Recorderman technique' to learn how to record drums with just a few mics.
It takes a lot of money but it really is worth it. If not though. Although I've been recording drums at a studio for a little over 6 months prior to this, I got very reasonable drum micing out of a lone blue yeti. Not even near having the full set up. but if your on a budget, definitely the way to go!
Those Neumann U67's run about $5000 a piece. SM57's run $100 a piece. The KM100 runs $500. The Sennheiser 421 runs about $380. The Shure Beta 52 runs $190. The Yamaha Subkick runs $400. The AKG 414's run $700 a piece.
Just the mics in this setup alone are gonna cost you around $12,750. Also, to run them all, you have to have a nice big mixing console like he has. Those can run from $8,000 to $100,000.
sooooo expensive! Those Neumann U67's run about $5000 a piece. SM57's run $100 a piece. The KM100 runs $500. The Sennheiser 421 runs about $380. The Shure Beta 52 runs $190. The Yamaha Subkick runs $400. The AKG 414's run $700 a piece.
Just the mics in this setup alone are gonna cost you around $12,750. Also, to run them all, you have to have a nice big mixing console like he has. Those can run from $8,000 to $100,000.
I prefer the snare without the mic under it, sub-thing not necessary in my opinion, sure it's a good drum sound, crazy setup for someone who has 4000$ to put on it, but i don't think portnoy (or any big drummer) would watch a youtube video to know how to mic his drumset, the guy who NEEDS tips to record drums will never get close to that kind of setup, akg's near useless and super expensive stuff.. overhead mics, two condenser and a good eq, that's all you need, try to make a video of that. BOOM
@tyramichou This is probably the most ignorant comment I've read on youtube thus far. I don't mean to personally disrespect you, however, how can you compare Mike Portnoy, who--more likely than not--has a professional engineer miking his kit, to amateurs trying to learn. Youtube is a great resource for people trying to learn anything. I'm more than sure that his "tech" would've used this resource when he was learning if youtube would have been in existence then.
@patrickr2018 then ask to his tech, who has probably at least the same level of knowledge as the guy in this video. Don't mean to disrespect you too, but you can't say the purpose of this video was well oriented, as, not necessarily a beginner drummer, but any good drummer wouldn't invest in a setup that hardcore and record on a self-produced album. This kind of videos, in a way, may lead good drummers to maybe abandon the idea of recording with a cheaper setup which would sound enough well
WOW ! really wow, nice room, overheads sound great solo.are you using any dampening at all? And what would you consider as a good alternative to the U67s......
@MrLertch Probably a moongel or two for dampening. If you're familiar with moongels, I like to cut them into thirds so I can start with less dampening and add as necessary.
is this eq-d, gated or anything? Whenever I go to the studio and try this same setup it sounds complete shit, even though the levels are set correctly. Especially when I turn the room and overhead on, it sounds like i didn't even put individual mics on the drums. I fucking hate it.
@RonaldoOrton It's a mixture of a few things. Early 60s Ludwig toms, a cloned Ludwig Black Beauty 6 1/2" snare, and a 90s Pearl Masters Custom kick drum.
@rotor9494 Different people prefer to do it different ways so there's no real reason for it, just a matter of preference. I prefer drummers perspective since it feels more natural when you're air drumming.
Nice efect on you are editing this video.i hear the room mic waves into the live romm after you solo it..3ms ?or more?more i presume cause it s huuge room!
@jrhager84 yeah, but you don't need it, that's my point, why would you need it? They still sound like drums... and for DIY recording, (if you're recording in a studio, there's an engineer, you don't need to know this, lets be honest) most people don't have 6 1000000 dollar mics either
Then what's the point altogether? You don't *need* a good sound. You can just get a 20 dollar Radio Shack mic and record through a SoundBlaster by your logic.
People need to respect the art that IS recording, and not think of it as just "an extra thing".
@jrhager84 You will get a good sound... from just overheads and room mic, that's my point. You also need to recognise slight sarcasm, not everyone else is an idiot, I have recorded drums before, otherwise I wouldn't have made the comment... also "close micing" when was the last time you listened to a drum with your ear next to it?
What cind of OH placement did you guys go for in this video? A/B Spaced-ORTF-cind of pair? Their at an angle, but to far away from each other to be a classic ortf.. Did you measure the distance form the snare to those two mics, or do you have a different approach to OH miking? They just sounded so good on their own!! Nice sounding room to!
@hkonmoen Thanks! I guess technically it's a spaced pair, although it's certainly influenced by ORTF. No measuring, just a few minutes of moving them around until they sounded good.
I was expecting to hear those room mics again when you did the final example or at least have them turned up more. Those room mics by themselves sound amazing!
The room at Signature Sound is amazing. Fantastic drum room. In the "final" mix (if we can call it that, the mix in the video was done in only a few minutes), I was trying to leave enough sonic space for the rest of the guitar tutorials, etc. The sound of the final worked well in that context.
Great vid! Very helpful and not boring. What were the cymbals you used here? I can already see that they are from the zildjian k series, but was wondering the specifics. Keep up the good work!
srsly. it's a good idea but this is more a "how to put mics on your drum set and how they sound" than a "How to: Recording Drums". I think many beginners have the problem like me that they don't know which hardware is essential besides the mics and also how to really Record them on my computer... maybe you can help me ..Thanks :) And sorry for my bad english-skills ;)
pet peeve of mine as a drummer though is when they place the bassdrum mike inside the shell....this effectively turns my 18" deep drum into a 16" deep drum...
@zealberg The reason people put the mic inside the shell is to mic the beater which produces more of a clicky sort of sound. This combined with a mic on the front head, which is mostly low end, gives you more options when mixing.
@SignatureSoundStudio ok fair enough........I remember reading an old modern drummer interview with jeff porcaro or someone and they said the LA studio drummers used to tune their toms real low to get a short sustain/rapid decay off the drum.....have you had experience with this?
also as for compression and gating is this done during or after the recording?
@zealberg I agree and I'm not a drummer. I'm a guitarist. But for some reason in the studio I become obsessed with how the producer mics the drums. I hate when they stifle the drums in any way. It seems like they always try to muffle or subdue them in some fashion. Why not just play cardboard boxes? I think the drums should sound full and loud like the tone Page got from Bonham's drums on "When The Levee Breaks". I'm not a fan of close micing at all. The room mics were all he needed here.
It's too bad that all those Neumanns and AKG's are freaking expensive haha. There should be a video showing how to record only using mics like the SM57
this was really helpful..bu i really need to know if there is some compression or EQ in the tracks or they are just the raw tracks...please answer..and thx for the video
How do you keep those cymbals from being so over powered? My room mics always make my cymbals too loud in the mix but I want that room sound but just less of the pumping of the cymbals. Any suggestions?
@Onetruthrgv If you're using an XY or AB type placement for the cymbals try pulling the mics back. Play around with different distances. If you're recording in a relatively live room you probably won't have to pull back very far before the mics start picking up more room reflections. There are, of course, other schools of thought and this is by no means the ultimate solution. Compression, EQ, artificial reverb, and even editing in prerecorded samples are just a few of the alternatives.
i love the room mics. i like the open air feeel that reverb and natural sound. if a kit sounds good then id rather no editing on it at all. sounds sooo goood
These drums sound fantastic!! I was wondering if you were using any gates for the audio in this clip? My guess is that you are because I can hear the toms ringing when you're vocal mic is turned back on. Thanks!
hello, two questions, first, how do yo correct the phase of the room mics and the overheads?,and do yo record the drum flat? or it have dynamics and eq"s pre-recoring? thanks!!!!
Could anyone tell me what the overhead mic's were called?
MrCallyOrange 14 hours ago
so, what do we learn? get a great sounding room for your next drumsession.
thekobsta 22 hours ago
Hey man, What kind of Kick drum is that? It sounds so good!
MrKodyska 1 day ago
Great sounding kit, thanks! I'd love to some to your studio and learn to record my drums like that and when I'm rich enough to afford all those mics too :)
matthobson1 3 days ago
I noticed that snare has no "ringy" sound to it. How did you do that? I've been trying to figure out how to get rid of that forever.
xMasterxRazorx 3 days ago
@xMasterxRazorx I think, by the sound I hear, that each channel has A LOT of processing, ie: gate, compressor, eq. those three I'm pretty much sure are present
Best regards!
fencore 2 days ago
@fencore I figured as much, but I still want to know how they got the snare to sound so tight.
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xMasterxRazorx 3 days ago
Snare and bass drums sound godly!
Ma9numProductions 3 days ago
in that room, with that kit, with only the 2 room mics it sounded better than anything i've recorded.
blutsklave 4 days ago
Sounds great and all but i think he is missing on how he processed the drums. sounds really processed to me...
Montielk 6 days ago 2
Great video!! thanks!!
pickblade 6 days ago
The cymbals that are not closed mic'd are recorded mainly by the overhead mics? Would it be better if they were closed mic'd as well? Thanks.
Aristowi 1 week ago
how do you get the mic inside the kick?
is it wireless?
drainwater031199 1 week ago
Room mics sound great by themselves! The entire setup sounds freaking great though.
OskarforbergSWE 1 week ago
it almost sounds best with just the room mics haha but thats just my style
MoDeRnClanMatches 1 week ago
sweet sounding Snare!! and really nice kit overall
DjAccelerate 1 week ago in playlist Audio Recording Techniques
you have verb on the snare during the mic solos... I could hear the stereo wash.
RustyIronloins 1 week ago
i know this has nothing to do with mics but could you tell me if that's a 17" or 18" K Dark Thin Crash? if it even is that!
JaKeHs135 2 weeks ago
Did you have to do any phase correction for the distant mics in comparison to the close mics?
rockrenegade 2 weeks ago
For me, the best sound came from the soloed overhead mics XD
XSora96 2 weeks ago
OH SHIT; that s crazy !!!!nice very nice; sound mic clear!
LunebeatZProductions 3 weeks ago in playlist Audio Recording Techniques
fuck me that's a great sounding room.
DavySolaris 3 weeks ago 11
It's funny how we hear the gates on the drums when the speaking mic comes on and you can still hear the tom ringing that had a really short decay through the close mic.
TheAbsorbant 3 weeks ago
I like just the room mics by themselves....the full mix sounds so dead.
AncientItalianSecret 3 weeks ago
@AncientItalianSecret Yes, listening to it like this makes it sound bad, but that's what you want most of the time in a full mix with other instruments.
JeanDenisCote 3 weeks ago
Lol - there's NO "bottom" low sound on the BD at all x(
When I put the SURE BETA 52 half way thru a hole with a Kick Port put inside it, I get much more warmth and caracter then that.
Zazquatch1 4 weeks ago
everything sounds great, those toms are perfection.
pharm817 4 weeks ago
Nice, the Vid shows me how to position the mics and how its sounds .... now, how do I record ?
cheeseniggles 4 weeks ago
What do you have running with the BETA 52 (EQ/Compression/etc), if anything at all?
rhythmkeeper009 1 month ago
wow, that sounds really good!!
deuce763 1 month ago in playlist Audio Recording Techniques
Hi there, are there any videos on youtube to record drums for those of us out here who aren't millionaires!!
jamesbeth 1 month ago
Hi there, I really like the overheads sound, could you explain a little more the mic placement? I've never seen that technique before.
Thanks a lot! cool videos
alexponce20 1 month ago
It would have been interesting to be able to listen to the bone dry signals of the Mics without Eqing, compression and reverb, because the viewer would then see how the signal SHOULD sound like, so one would know if their microphones are positioned correctly - and thats what this video mainly is about, right?
Interesting video nevertheless, thank you!
LizzardHimself 1 month ago in playlist More videos from SignatureSoundStudio
I hear some effect on snare, and hh. Maybe a little reverb on it? (when it soloed)
What reverb are you use?
rooftoproller 1 month ago in playlist Audio Recording Techniques
@rooftoproller
I believe its the c414's(?) as room mics...
jrhager84 1 month ago
I have a doubt, What kind of sound would be if i play with the subkick inside the kick drum?
Jornbatako 1 month ago
@Jornbatako
Terrible. It takes a LOT more space for a lower frequency sound wave to hit full peak. I believe an 80hz wave sits full peak @ ~5ft (~14ft from Peak/Null/Peak)
jrhager84 1 month ago
Are you using any gates ? compression and eq ? and if so are you doing it pre production or post production? would really like to know thanks.
UpUplifted 1 month ago in playlist More videos from SignatureSoundStudio
@UpUplifted
If possible, ALWAYS do destructive edits in POST. Unless you have a bad sound, then you can edit it out.
jrhager84 1 month ago
should be titled.. how to mike your drum kit for recording. or mike placement for recording drums.
264rockstar 1 month ago
Great Video!!!!
actionpending2010 1 month ago
@SignatureSoundStudio Thank you for these wonderful videos! Even though I don't have a single microphone in my home, they're still very interesting to watch.
The only thing boggling me is where did you get all of that knowledge from?
Is it a college degree? Or just from your own experience?
I wonder how can you achieve such a level of knowledge on this subject...
PokMadui 1 month ago in playlist Audio Recording Techniques
Wow, plenty of ambience on those "soloed" tracks. I don't buy it. The OHs are in the mix or something.
210Bubbagump 1 month ago
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EarsCummings 1 month ago
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@210Bubbagump What you're noticing isn't overheads or room mics, but the reverb I was using to treat the snare and toms.
EarsCummings 1 month ago
Problem is when you have a large drum set like me. Also when you have a limited budget. I remember when I was a junior in High School, me and my bassist trued to record with zero budget and I miced my set with an overhead microphone (for singing not recording) and a bass microphone running into a Kustom PA head that ran into a computer with $50 software. It actually didn't sound half bad once I turned the mic away from the crash.
aaronaaronjarvis 1 month ago
Awesome vid, would you recommend Audix F15's, Shure PG81's, or AKG Perception 170's as overhead mics?
ShittyMcPoopyBalls 1 month ago
What are all the mics?
abrahamflako11 1 month ago
which preamps did you use for this?
prit1981 1 month ago
@prit1981 API 212L.
SignatureSoundStudio 1 month ago
@SignatureSoundStudio What is the series of skins REMO you used on each piece of the battery?
Renato27ify 2 weeks ago in playlist Audio Recording Techniques
is that KM 100 on the hi hat an omni mic? or cardioid?
danmarcelino 1 month ago
@danmarcelino One of the cool things about the KM100 is that you can switch out the capsule in order to change the polar pattern. You wouldn't want to use an omni mic to record the hat as it would introduce too much bleed from the other pieces of the kit.
SignatureSoundStudio 1 month ago
@danmarcelino cardiod
Gijsknol 1 month ago
wow....the overheads are enough to mic the whole kit :D
masterbeat04 2 months ago
Just the overheads sounded by far the best! Or the room.
bishopdante 2 months ago
This is brilliance in work!!!
Gunbardo 2 months ago
i hope you smashed those 414's with the 1176's!
mikeydaviesvideo 2 months ago in playlist Audio Recording Techniques
@mikeydaviesvideo Manley ELOP. :)
EarsCummings 1 month ago
@EarsCummings Or the Manley Vari-Mu... don't remember which.
EarsCummings 1 month ago
Was there effects added to this kit or was the sound raw?
Skullclone 2 months ago
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@Skullclone EQ, Compression and a slight bit of reverb.
EarsCummings 1 month ago
I think the biggest thing missing is telling everyone that it doesn't matter how great your mics or placement is, if your kit sounds like crap, and you're in a shitty room, it will never sound this good.
scottiev77 2 months ago
@scottiev77 I agree with half of that. It's true that a bad kit in a bad room will sound bad. However, it matters immensely how you position the mics. Of course having nice mics will help the sound, but you can make a mediocre kit sound decent with cheap mics as long as you have good mic placement.
SignatureSoundStudio 1 month ago 10
@SignatureSoundStudio Still, you can't turn the room off by close miking.
mr4y 3 weeks ago
@SignatureSoundStudio I agree. Mic placement is like 80% of "good sound" when you record. If you have a good mic placement and just mix a nice stereo image, you can get a huge sound, even without that many mics and mediocre gear.
Simto 3 weeks ago
@scottiev77 it begins with the drummer :P
Gijsknol 1 month ago
@Gijsknol That goes without saying. If you're at the point of recording they should be skilled.
scottiev77 1 month ago
Heck. I like the sound of just the room mics. I'd like to see you demonstrate the Glyn Johns method sometime. Great video, man.
Firebirdshite 2 months ago
@Firebirdshite even just the overheads sounds amazing!
idreamtofflight 2 months ago
How high are the gain/levels on the mixer your using? I always having trouble appropriately leveling my mixing nobs before mixing down.
Deadbeans 2 months ago
@juiceforjoe I think i saw some silly puddy type material. that works great, or those window insulators u can buy that r like clay
Biggestmutemathfan 2 months ago
People dont realize the final mix probably was made to fit within a boundary for a certain song. Of course the man knows his Room and Overheads sound nice.
Biggestmutemathfan 2 months ago
Hi there, so I am looking at starting up a mic set for my drums, and I am wondering which ones to get first? By listening to this audio, I judged that the two overhead mics seem to do a pretty good job on their own. What would you recommend me getting first?
cakes1234321 2 months ago
@cakes1234321 If you have no mics at all, you should consider getting a couple Shure SM57s. They are an essential piece of any mic collection and are extremely versatile. If you wanted to start with overheads, any cheap pair of small diaphragm condensers will do the trick. Google 'Glyn Johns technique' and 'Recorderman technique' to learn how to record drums with just a few mics.
SignatureSoundStudio 1 month ago
It takes a lot of money but it really is worth it. If not though. Although I've been recording drums at a studio for a little over 6 months prior to this, I got very reasonable drum micing out of a lone blue yeti. Not even near having the full set up. but if your on a budget, definitely the way to go!
Apreciateifyoudidnt 2 months ago
sorta very basic and self explanatory
JEDSaje15 2 months ago
how are you able to record all these mics at once?
ariapro7 2 months ago
pay me to come tune your drums so after all your hard micing configuration it still isn't pathetic.
CocaineRubish 2 months ago
AWESOME!
piousrhyme 2 months ago
Comprehensive and quality info, thanks
slagwerk58 2 months ago in playlist Audio Recording Techniques
Daaaaamn, those room mics are so powerful. I love it.
GutturalJeffo 2 months ago in playlist Audio Recording Techniques
Quality videos. Funny thing maybe.. I seem to like the room mics by themselves compared to when all the mics are used
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Those Neumann U67's run about $5000 a piece. SM57's run $100 a piece. The KM100 runs $500. The Sennheiser 421 runs about $380. The Shure Beta 52 runs $190. The Yamaha Subkick runs $400. The AKG 414's run $700 a piece.
Just the mics in this setup alone are gonna cost you around $12,750. Also, to run them all, you have to have a nice big mixing console like he has. Those can run from $8,000 to $100,000.
Happy shopping! XD
ariapro7 3 months ago
sooooo expensive! Those Neumann U67's run about $5000 a piece. SM57's run $100 a piece. The KM100 runs $500. The Sennheiser 421 runs about $380. The Shure Beta 52 runs $190. The Yamaha Subkick runs $400. The AKG 414's run $700 a piece.
Just the mics in this setup alone are gonna cost you around $12,750. Also, to run them all, you have to have a nice big mixing console like he has. Those can run from $8,000 to $100,000.
Happy shopping! XD
ariapro7 3 months ago
I prefer the snare without the mic under it, sub-thing not necessary in my opinion, sure it's a good drum sound, crazy setup for someone who has 4000$ to put on it, but i don't think portnoy (or any big drummer) would watch a youtube video to know how to mic his drumset, the guy who NEEDS tips to record drums will never get close to that kind of setup, akg's near useless and super expensive stuff.. overhead mics, two condenser and a good eq, that's all you need, try to make a video of that. BOOM
tyramichou 3 months ago
@tyramichou This is probably the most ignorant comment I've read on youtube thus far. I don't mean to personally disrespect you, however, how can you compare Mike Portnoy, who--more likely than not--has a professional engineer miking his kit, to amateurs trying to learn. Youtube is a great resource for people trying to learn anything. I'm more than sure that his "tech" would've used this resource when he was learning if youtube would have been in existence then.
patrickr2018 2 months ago
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@patrickr2018 then ask to his tech, who has probably at least the same level of knowledge as the guy in this video. Don't mean to disrespect you too, but you can't say the purpose of this video was well oriented, as, not necessarily a beginner drummer, but any good drummer wouldn't invest in a setup that hardcore and record on a self-produced album. This kind of videos, in a way, may lead good drummers to maybe abandon the idea of recording with a cheaper setup which would sound enough well
tyramichou 2 months ago
Are these all raw recordings, or EQ'd?
tomogh311 3 months ago
WOW ! really wow, nice room, overheads sound great solo.are you using any dampening at all? And what would you consider as a good alternative to the U67s......
MrLertch 3 months ago
@MrLertch Probably a moongel or two for dampening. If you're familiar with moongels, I like to cut them into thirds so I can start with less dampening and add as necessary.
EarsCummings 1 month ago
Love your Kick sound. Would be great for reggae!!!
gullystar 3 months ago
is this eq-d, gated or anything? Whenever I go to the studio and try this same setup it sounds complete shit, even though the levels are set correctly. Especially when I turn the room and overhead on, it sounds like i didn't even put individual mics on the drums. I fucking hate it.
radulica 3 months ago
what kind of drums are those ?????
RonaldoOrton 3 months ago
@RonaldoOrton It's a mixture of a few things. Early 60s Ludwig toms, a cloned Ludwig Black Beauty 6 1/2" snare, and a 90s Pearl Masters Custom kick drum.
EarsCummings 1 month ago
@EarsCummings Correction, just realized it wasn't the Black Beauty clone but my early 70s Ludwig Surpraphonic-400.
EarsCummings 1 month ago
I noticed you panned the drums from the drummer's perspective rather than from the audience's perspective. Is there a particular reason for that?
rotor9494 3 months ago
@rotor9494 Different people prefer to do it different ways so there's no real reason for it, just a matter of preference. I prefer drummers perspective since it feels more natural when you're air drumming.
SignatureSoundStudio 3 months ago 10
@SignatureSoundStudio That's interesting! Thanks for the response!
rotor9494 3 months ago
@SignatureSoundStudio God i love that snare! the mic sounds very 80s/70s punchy meaty, what snare did you use there? :)
Tombking2 2 months ago
yaaaaaaaaeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!coooool stuufff !
soulessdelu 3 months ago
Nice efect on you are editing this video.i hear the room mic waves into the live romm after you solo it..3ms ?or more?more i presume cause it s huuge room!
soulessdelu 3 months ago
room + overheads is all you need!
louisalive 3 months ago 2
@louisalive
"It's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it."
Just sayin'..
jrhager84 1 month ago
@jrhager84 yeah, but you don't need it, that's my point, why would you need it? They still sound like drums... and for DIY recording, (if you're recording in a studio, there's an engineer, you don't need to know this, lets be honest) most people don't have 6 1000000 dollar mics either
louisalive 1 month ago
@louisalive
Then what's the point altogether? You don't *need* a good sound. You can just get a 20 dollar Radio Shack mic and record through a SoundBlaster by your logic.
People need to respect the art that IS recording, and not think of it as just "an extra thing".
jrhager84 1 month ago
@jrhager84 You will get a good sound... from just overheads and room mic, that's my point. You also need to recognise slight sarcasm, not everyone else is an idiot, I have recorded drums before, otherwise I wouldn't have made the comment... also "close micing" when was the last time you listened to a drum with your ear next to it?
louisalive 1 month ago
Fat and warm drumsound.... very nice... great video ; )
tammz123 3 months ago
How do you guys record through the Camera? Whad do you guys use to do that?
dedrickp 3 months ago
Very nice. If you parallel compress those room mics you get that great Bonham sound :)
MrNickdrummer 3 months ago
the room mics alone sound better than the final mix
Ikillednervous 3 months ago
this helps out alot, thanks you!
ChildofBodom608 3 months ago
I love overhead miking so bad. Great demonstration and video. Thanks a lot!
chrisrave 4 months ago
What cind of OH placement did you guys go for in this video? A/B Spaced-ORTF-cind of pair? Their at an angle, but to far away from each other to be a classic ortf.. Did you measure the distance form the snare to those two mics, or do you have a different approach to OH miking? They just sounded so good on their own!! Nice sounding room to!
hkonmoen 4 months ago
@hkonmoen Thanks! I guess technically it's a spaced pair, although it's certainly influenced by ORTF. No measuring, just a few minutes of moving them around until they sounded good.
EarsCummings 1 month ago
I was expecting to hear those room mics again when you did the final example or at least have them turned up more. Those room mics by themselves sound amazing!
beau96080 4 months ago
The room at Signature Sound is amazing. Fantastic drum room. In the "final" mix (if we can call it that, the mix in the video was done in only a few minutes), I was trying to leave enough sonic space for the rest of the guitar tutorials, etc. The sound of the final worked well in that context.
EarsCummings 1 month ago
what are the specifications of the K customs cymbals???
XDrumHxCX 4 months ago in playlist More videos from SignatureSoundStudio
@XDrumHxCX K Dark Crash and K Dark Ride.
EarsCummings 1 month ago
how much does all of this cost?
musicislife4028 4 months ago
I would be fine with just the overheads
mr0purple0hero 4 months ago
Boooooo, that lovely room sound and you killed most of it in the 'final mix'...! Great videos.
toynoise 4 months ago
I'd just put up the room mics and call it a day. Great room.
mockupscaledown 4 months ago
Sounds fucking tight dude. Good video.
YouCanCallMeCharlz 4 months ago
The overheads sound great on their own!
metalcore929 4 months ago
Great vid! Very helpful and not boring. What were the cymbals you used here? I can already see that they are from the zildjian k series, but was wondering the specifics. Keep up the good work!
Thrive253 4 months ago
srsly. it's a good idea but this is more a "how to put mics on your drum set and how they sound" than a "How to: Recording Drums". I think many beginners have the problem like me that they don't know which hardware is essential besides the mics and also how to really Record them on my computer... maybe you can help me ..Thanks :) And sorry for my bad english-skills ;)
Mangofanity 4 months ago
great video and drum sound, awesome room you have there, what's skins are on the toms, emperors or ambassadors?
naedsukram 4 months ago
where is ur bottom snare mic it sounds kinda thin? could it be a phasing issue maybe between the 2 mics?
destructivedaz 4 months ago
great sound the room is critical.
pet peeve of mine as a drummer though is when they place the bassdrum mike inside the shell....this effectively turns my 18" deep drum into a 16" deep drum...
zealberg 4 months ago
@zealberg The reason people put the mic inside the shell is to mic the beater which produces more of a clicky sort of sound. This combined with a mic on the front head, which is mostly low end, gives you more options when mixing.
SignatureSoundStudio 4 months ago
@SignatureSoundStudio ok fair enough........I remember reading an old modern drummer interview with jeff porcaro or someone and they said the LA studio drummers used to tune their toms real low to get a short sustain/rapid decay off the drum.....have you had experience with this?
also as for compression and gating is this done during or after the recording?
thanks
zealberg 4 months ago
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JaySchway 3 months ago
@zealberg I agree and I'm not a drummer. I'm a guitarist. But for some reason in the studio I become obsessed with how the producer mics the drums. I hate when they stifle the drums in any way. It seems like they always try to muffle or subdue them in some fashion. Why not just play cardboard boxes? I think the drums should sound full and loud like the tone Page got from Bonham's drums on "When The Levee Breaks". I'm not a fan of close micing at all. The room mics were all he needed here.
shaindaman13 3 months ago
@bramnauta and @jamierowanverney the snare is a 14 inch ludwig supraphonic, the kick is your basic 22 inch yamaha
SignatureSoundStudio 4 months ago
@ExELCiS777 and @beau96080 Yes there is some light EQ and Compression on the tracks
SignatureSoundStudio 4 months ago
It's too bad that all those Neumanns and AKG's are freaking expensive haha. There should be a video showing how to record only using mics like the SM57
FenixiaDuo 4 months ago in playlist More videos from SignatureSoundStudio
Love that room!! :-D
redspre 5 months ago 10
@redspre Thanks! Our live room is our pride and joy!
SignatureSoundStudio 5 months ago 2
one of the best videos i've ever seen on recording.. thank you!!
tommasotemporin 5 months ago
@tommasotemporin Thanks for watching!
SignatureSoundStudio 5 months ago
this was really helpful..bu i really need to know if there is some compression or EQ in the tracks or they are just the raw tracks...please answer..and thx for the video
ExELCiS777 5 months ago
Now there is probably post processing on the mic signals, correct? they don't sound like raw do they?
beau96080 5 months ago
What snare drum are you using here? It sounds great! Btw, thanks for all the tips, not just on recording drums!
bramnauta 5 months ago
lol his last name is cummings...
ihatenjoi 5 months ago
quick question, what snare drum and kick drum are being used here? thanks
jamierowanverney 5 months ago
That mic set-up + that room sound + that kit = the best natural drums I've ever heard. I'd pick that sound over sample replacement any day!
TheAdamWallace 5 months ago
best drum sound I've ever heard..... I really want that!!!
ConorSloane118 5 months ago
@ConorSloane118 Hopefully this serves as a guideline for you to achieve that.
SignatureSoundStudio 5 months ago
best snare sound I've ever heard..... I really want that!!!
ConorSloane118 5 months ago
How do you keep those cymbals from being so over powered? My room mics always make my cymbals too loud in the mix but I want that room sound but just less of the pumping of the cymbals. Any suggestions?
Onetruthrgv 5 months ago
@Onetruthrgv If you're using an XY or AB type placement for the cymbals try pulling the mics back. Play around with different distances. If you're recording in a relatively live room you probably won't have to pull back very far before the mics start picking up more room reflections. There are, of course, other schools of thought and this is by no means the ultimate solution. Compression, EQ, artificial reverb, and even editing in prerecorded samples are just a few of the alternatives.
SignatureSoundStudio 5 months ago
Thank god, that this is not "expertvillage"... cause this is GREAT!
2sk8ersBG 5 months ago
@2sk8ersBG Signature Sound = 1 expertvillage = 0
Thanks for watching!
SignatureSoundStudio 5 months ago 15
i love the room mics. i like the open air feeel that reverb and natural sound. if a kit sounds good then id rather no editing on it at all. sounds sooo goood
DrumNBum 5 months ago
OMG THAT SNARE SOUNDS SOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOD
DrumNBum 5 months ago
Am i the only that LOVES the room mics better then anything!!??
iraniandrummer97 5 months ago
4:22 When the levve breaks?
OWDrummer1 6 months ago
These are the absolute best in the studio lessons on youtube. I hope they keep making these videos for years to come.
PEskater101 6 months ago 2
@PEskater101 Thank you! We're happy to provide these tutorials for the recording community and hope to add more soon!
SignatureSoundStudio 5 months ago 2
These drums sound fantastic!! I was wondering if you were using any gates for the audio in this clip? My guess is that you are because I can hear the toms ringing when you're vocal mic is turned back on. Thanks!
Kyleley 6 months ago
Wow imo the room mics are enough. It sounds great.
aXque 6 months ago
What do I have to buy for my 8 piece acoustic drums I want it to sound the same way
DaFuckinSchwartz 6 months ago
can u explain the OH mics placement pls ? are u in cardioid mode or Omni ?
If it s cardio, it lik he microphones are turned to left and right... Thanks
stoofystoof 6 months ago
I AM LOOSING SPERM!!!
coreyfromtheband 7 months ago
hello, two questions, first, how do yo correct the phase of the room mics and the overheads?,and do yo record the drum flat? or it have dynamics and eq"s pre-recoring? thanks!!!!
audiofactory123 7 months ago
I can honestly say it sounded best with the ambience mic's :D wich is good news for me cuz I only have 2 mic's !!!!
13Musicmachine 7 months ago
this kit my friend, brings tears to my eyes
Mukdrummr16 7 months ago
Great sounding kit in a great sounding room with a great mic set-up. Killer....
I soooo want a big room!!!
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MrStickMonkey 7 months ago