"Personal liberty, or the Right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or natural Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as sacred as the Right to private property ... and is regarded as inalienable."
NDAA law just signed by Obama gives him the right to kill or imprison any American without a trial. The government says you are guilty, your guilty.. goodbye Bill of Rights.. And this officer is making out like WE are the bad guys for claiming our Constitutional rights... Sorry about your son.. no excuse for cold blooded murder.. but people are waking up...
All U.S. Citizens Are Sovereign Entities unto there self according to the Supreme Court, Even President George W Bush Made A speech stating so!. Now i am deeply sorry for the actions those individuals done they just have no respect for the men and women that are sworn to protect and serve. But your classifications are not going to help the matter what you should be doing is educating your law enforcement that they are sovereign entities as well.
Stop defrauding the People of the united states. We ARE the Sovereign power. The agencies of government are OUR servants ONLY!
Warning! The end is near for you smarmy bastids. Rumor has it bankers across the globe are resigning and entire banking families are abandoning their homes and disappearing. Papers placed on record with Parliment for fraudulent transfers of TRILLIONS of dollars. Times up for you.
Just picked up New Hampshire's exemptions last night... 259:12- e Commercial Motor Vehicle. -
II. The term Commercial Motor Vehicle shall not include;
(b) Recreational vehicles (definition below)
259:84-a "Recreational Vehicle" shall mean a self- propelled or towed vehicle that is equipped to serve as temporary living quarters for recreational, camping OR travel purposes and is solely used as a family or personal conveyance... Sucks to be you!!!!!
@MrandMrsMulkuru Your "citations" have all been plucked completely out of context from cases in different jurisdictions on different subjects. They do not prove your claims. As it stands, the law in this country is that statutes are law, and that a license is required to operate a motor vehicle. No paperwork that you file or words that you say will force any judge or government employee to side with you.
So true! However, I am not a "driver", nor do I drive a "motor vehicle" engaged in any form of "commerce". I am a member of the "general public" traveling in my private conveyance for pleasure or business, traveling upon the public highways, which is well within my right as "a matter of right".
There is nothing to argue with there.
ORS 801.203 (2) (d) Sorry Pal. Same law exists in all 50 states.
"The people of this State, as the successors of its former sovereign, are entitled to all the rights which formerly belonged to the King by his prerogative. Through the medium of their Legislature they may exercise all the powers which previous to the Revolution could have been exercised either by the King alone, or by him in conjunction with his Parliament; subject only to those restrictions which have been imposed by the Constitution of this State or of the U.S."
"Where a restraint is sought to be put upon any person in respect of the exercise of any of those natural rights, I think it is the duty of the Court to assume that the legislature did not intend to interfere with them, unless clear and unequivocal words have been used."
- Rex v. Sung (Sang) Chong, 1909, 11 W.L.R 231, 14 B.C.R. 275 at 277 (C.A.)
Sung Chong Cited in: Rex v. Kite, [1949] 2 W.W.R. 195
@MrandMrsMulkuru Okay, I'll just repeat myself. Your "citations" have all been plucked completely out of context from cases in different jurisdictions on different subjects. They do not prove your claims. As it stands, the law in this country is that statutes are law, and that a license is required to operate a motor vehicle. No paperwork that you file or words that you say will force any judge or government employee to side with you.
@cesar333. Read ALL my comments, research my citations, then come refute anything you like. Right now, you are ignorant of the things the ONLY true patriots fought and died for. In 236 years, only war worth fighting was the Revolutionary. If you disagree, no skin off my nose. But, you are unfortunately as mislead and soon to be fleeced and slaughtered as every other sheep out there. Your will be done...
Already done. They have all been plucked completely out of context from cases in different jurisdictions on different subjects. They do not prove your claims. As it stands, the law in this country is that statutes are law, and that a license is required to operate a motor vehicle. No paperwork that you file or words that you say will force any judge or government employee to side with you.
Yes, blame the soverigns, because the people that shot the cop. might have belonged to that group.. With this kind of thinking, the cops that beat down Rodney King, means that all cops are corrupt, racist, etc. Don't judge the actions of the few over the populace of an organization. This guy is so full of shit. Don't bring a camera with you, because protecting yourself with VIDEO EVIDENCE is obviously not the best course of action... -ever-
"The Constitution of the United States of America: Analysis and Interpretation" Senate document 99-16 pgs 956-957 footnote 12 will explain these privileges for you, you poor ignorant sheep. Baaaaaah!!!
I'll stick with my natural, unalienable rights. I'm no citizen. You livestock can be killed without consequence. Yours come soon.
A great thinning of the herd. Think WWIII. Have fun!
@MrandMrsMulkuru We have a arm chair constitutionalists. You can take your rights and go to pakistan if you like. Men and women have died in this country for your rights and you think you can pick and choose and enhance your rights you think your entitled to?
@MidnightWins2 this is only a "relatively obscure topic",because the education system(government controlled) is very careful in not teaching us anything about sovereignty,natural law,common law or anything that does not lead us to becoming a commodity asset for the system.I am a pacifist by choice,but I am also aware enough to recognize when I am under attack, no matter how subtle the approach.And in my opinion it is disgusting the direction our appointed leaders have chosen to take our country,
im sorry thos cops did not need to get shot there was no need of that and i feel bad but really we all should be free to do and be as we want aka fuck the gov im going to become a Sovereign but not start shooting people.
Though this is a tragedy,the heavy ratio of dislikes to likes on this video,would indicate that the people of this country are feed up with the tyrannical abuse that we are subject to every day.3-1 of those who have watched this, would appear not to agree with this videos message.Today we are subject to the same abuse and taxation,which motivated the war that created this great country.And unless the people,how choose to try to take authority over others,change their tactics.War is coming again.
@SlikPapaRuff Yes, because the people taking the time to look up a video about a relatively obscure fringe topic are clearly a representative sample of the American population.
Our freedoms have been stolen from us and the only way we will be free again, will be to dis-band this gang of domestic terrorist's called the US Government. It is a very unfortunate event, in which these man died. But they chose to represent an organization that commits daily acts of terrorism on the American people. My sympathy goes out to their families and loved ones. However the government has declared war on the sovereign people of the land and are systematically trying to enslave us all.
I voted this video down.. Give me freedom or give me death. I feel remorse for the victims and their families. But officers must respect the LAW I seen no probable cause to stop the vehicle.. What the hell is a routine traffic stop?? The people are fed up with this we do not server the government the government exist to server the people what right do you have to stop any car that is not a danger to anyone else and that has not broken any LAWS..
I don't agree with killing unnecessary, I do believe with all my heart that we should be able to refuse corporate police stops, and illegal information search expeditions, these people just want to be left alone, there is good and bad in everything. If civil law is built on common law, and that is built on cannon law which built on natural law. I chose natural law. Believing in the right of self determination, should not be a crime, when exercised peacefully or in justified defense of rights
Let's face it wall street is now the government and the government is now wall street and for them to keep on robbing you and keeping you in debt slavery they must convince you that you need to comply while they don't. USA is in deep trouble and frankly I can count wayyyy more human rights violations perpetrated around the whole world by government than against it.
Looks like more propaganda for total enslavement...do as your told even if we abuse your rights and put you away with no trial or jury. Just by looking at the massive loss of rights since 911 I would say this is not a cut and dry argument.
This guy in the vid is an POWER HUNGRY Fool wanting to ENFORCE over FREE People & Beings. POLICE ARE PUBLIC~PUBLIC SERVANTS!!! I am Sovereign over MY FAMILY; My Family & I do NOT CONSENT to UNLAWFUL & ILLEGAL taxation, force, coercion, kidnapping, & ALL the other STRIPPING of OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS they ARE PRESENTLY Doing! Yes, it is unfortunate people died. It does Not have to be this way.
@TeamChristineGetP90X People SHOULD Mind their OWN Business. Just as I teach children when they want to 'tattle' over menial things: MIND OVER WHAT YOU DO, THEIR ACTIONS ARE ON THEM. YOU CONTROL ONLY YOUR ACTIONS SO MAKE THE RIGHT & PROPER CHOICES. SIMPLE isn't it. NO ONE wants to be harassed or ANY of the above aforementioned! NO ONE. ALL the people shown as Extremists, more than likely NOT, Just regular people like YOU & I just fed up with UNLAWFUL actions perpetrated by those paid by US
@TeamChristineGetP90X tp PROTECT & SERVE US. What? Jealous they were More liked? This IS NOT a Popularity contest! IT IS OUR FREEDOMS BEING STRIPPED OF US! WHAT?! Now my door gets kicked in because I want to BE FREE to Raise MY Children as I SEE FIT?
@TeamChristineGetP90X Yes, what a threat I am...aha. Single Mom trying to keep MY Children SAFE from MANY...I suppose that can misconstrued as Extreme, sure...our, perhaps, having a GARDEN, using natural instead of NOT GENETICALLY MODIFIED, sure, I guess that qualifies one as an Outlaw. Sure. The LIST GOES ON What QUALIFIES 1 as an EXTREME thinker,Non Conformist, Outlaw, or other Bad Guy.Just be a Sheep & you'll be fine~NO Free thinking & you'll be fine~
That is complete BS! There are crazy people of every variety. You cannot generalize Sovereignty in this way. The whole idea of sovereignty is based on the Law of God. Love your enemies. Don't repay evil with evil. ect. ect. ect. They are just mad about people learning their God given rights.
This is a piss poor propaganda video! What happened to the sound! Did those officers go through their normal routine of verbal assault! It is a shame that someone had to lose their lives, but the police officers are busy trying to enforce their policies instead of being Peace Officers and keeping the peace! What was their "probable cause" for pulling the vehicle other than harassment because the were profiling! Where is the voice recordings of communication with the dispatcher! The Big Picture!
what those people did that day was wrong, they shouldn't have shot those men...however, if they hadn't have been pulled over there have been no such issue. these sovereigns saw the officers as a mafia, trying to steal money from them through coercion. sovereigns are just people who want to be free, this video incites hate towards a usually loving community, a community which doesn't ask for anything but to be left alone...i'm truly sorry that this unjust shadow has been cast over sovereignty.
"The laws of Congress in respect to those matters DO NOT extend into the territorial limits of the states, but have force only in the District of Columbia, and other places that are within the exclusive jurisdiction of the national government." Caha v. U.S., 142 U.S., at 215 (1894).
"The United States is entirely a creature of the Federal Constitution, its power and authority has no other source and it can only act in accordance with all the limitations imposed by the Constitution." Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1, 1 L. Ed. 2nd. 1148 (1957).
my previous post was in no way meant to diminish what had happened the the officers this act is very sad and I feel for their family and friends and the people that did this are animals. But the new buzz word is sovereign citizen to justify the next faze of taking away the rights of the population. This has already started and will increase when they should be dealing with Occupy wall street as a terrorist organization,By their own words.
my previous post was in no way meant to diminish what had happened the the officers this act is very sad and I feel for their family and friends and the people that did this are animals. But the new buzz word is sovereign citizen to justify the next faze of taking away the rights of the population. This has already started and will increase when they should be dealing with Occupy wall street as a terrorist organization,By their own words.
my previous post was in no way meant to diminish what had happened the the officers this act is very sad and I feel for their family and friends and the people that did this are animals. But the new buzz word is sovereign citizen to justify the next faze of taking away the rights of the population. This has already started and will increase when they should be dealing with Occupy wall street as a terrorist organization,By their own words.
my previous post was in no way meant to diminish what had happened the the officers this act is very sad and I feel for their family and friends and the people that did this are animals. But the new buzz word is sovereign citizen to justify the next faze of taking away the rights of the population. This has already started and will increase when they should be dealing with Occupy wall street as a terrorist organization,By their own words.
Sovereign Citizens my ass this is not the problem that you should be worrying about you should worry about the regular travel into the States from Mexico by Hezbollah and Hamas and all the Murders on your side of the Boarder, after all since when has beheading become tolerant in your country. The Government is not telling you how bad it is and according to a retired Border agent several mid eastern gents brought a weapon of mass destruction into the US in October 2011. Not reported bythe News
BULLSHIT, that was staged... pure and simple, any sovereign citizen would NEVER DO SUCH A THING... biggest bull shit ive ever seen in my life pure propoganda
Bob Paudert fuck you! your a crooked piece of shit! your son was on the drug interdiction force "something he loved to do" well he got his didn't he. You reap what you sow!
@tjohn1986 Even the Amish have to have appropriate documentation for buggies operated on public street. Indiana actually requires that buggies have license plates though that is done on a county by county basis.
These LOW-LIFE TRASHBAGS are difficult to infiltrate,cause they're all transient homeless LOSERS.The feds need to target the movement leaders and FRY THEM FOR SEDITION.The U.S already has enough WHITE TRASH VERMIN....ROUND THEM UP!! We'll use their TRAITOROUS remains to fill potholes....WINNING!!
Read the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Articles of Confederation, and then rethink your statement. The traitors are usurping our rights and making this country a SOCIALIST regime. You probably think we live in a DEMOCRACY! Another lie. This country was born as and still is a Republic. Cops have become nothing more than hired goons, like low level mobsters! I do not condone the violence, though. I do hope they bring these murderers to justice.
@findthetruthdammit Listen dude,as long as you freaks live in this country and use public resources(freeways-parks-rest areas etc etc) you have to pay YOUR FUCKING TAXES!! If you want to FREELOAD off the rest of us,you fuckers should be treated as criminals...capiche!
@HUMANSAREBENEATHME Great argument, I'm convinced, not. I'm sure that's how you look at people. Your name and comment reflects your intellect. You presume to know so much to cover for your lack of knowledge. You are the perfect slave. Unable to expand your mind and intolerant of those that do. Instead you berate with ad hominem attacks and attempt to lower others to your slave level. It's OK, those who are awake will fight for your freedom as you ride our coat tails...
@oucanemailme <---Angry welfare recipient who resents successful people so much,that he needs to create boogiemen to compensate for his LOSERISHNESS!!.You low life scumbags hate the country,but readily accept Welfare-SSI-Medicaid-Medicare & any other freebies you can get...What a bunch of Domestic Terrorist criminals you are!!
We will soon build Gitmos for Domestic Terrorist scumbags like the lot of you.NO APPEALS either....TRY'EM N FRY'EM!!
@HUMANSAREBENEATHME You are really a sad human being. I've never taken any entitlement from the gov., I'd rather live in the woods but I do fine. It's laughable the depths of your brainwashing. Such a good bootlicker. You are absolutely clueless and anyone who has done any research and study sees right through your emptiness. Your belief in the great myth of authority is the great plague face by all peaceful, non violent people. You are the one that spews hate. So sad...
@oucanemailme You're NOT gonna live in OUR WOODS TAX FREE,LAZY BITCH!! We will hunt every one of you FUCKING LAZY WELFARE BUMS till all you FREELOADERS ARE DEAD!!
Those two guys we're idiots. Now Government is painting all sovereigns in the same way. Thats like saying two bad cops are norm. People need to see the truth.
@simunsez1 There is no "Jewish" front organisation because Jewish people are not a monolithic group. They represent themselves and whoever they are in cahoots with.
I could go on, but I'll leave you with one last thing (unless somehow made to return :) ...
In the search field type in in quotes like this: "police brutality" and make note of many of the videos.
And then ask yourself and do research on such things as corporate feudalism, neo-feudalism, the iron law of oligarchy, wage slavery, debt-slavery, government-as-anarchy, and so forth. And follow the links, etc..
And I suggest this to the SPL Centre too. I mean if you truly want to save lives.
"...These 'rich' claim they own land, and the 'poor' are often denied the right to make that same claim. A primary purpose of the police is to enforce the delusions of those with lots of pieces of green paper... Those in power rule by force [violence and its threats], and the sooner we break ourselves of illusions to the contrary, the sooner we can at least begin to make reasonable decisions about whether, when, and how we are going to resist."
@stimpyhelpme Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution specifically authorizes Congress's impose "Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises."
Maybe you should try reading the document before you talk about it?
Politicians and police are immune from the law. Sovereign citizens ie Indigenous Americans are not. amirite? you know who's responsible for this right?
@MrDonneiDarko Sovereign Citizens aka, White Americans, are not an indigenous people. They were not the original native people like native Americans who existed in North America prior to colonisation or the nation state. White Americans are immigrant colonisers.
The SPLC. Oh. WOW. The Friends of Bill Ayers. What was he famous for stating again? Bring the revolution home. Kill your parents. Can you expect anything else from the friends of Ol'bummers. We must burn down the house to save the children. Also McVeigh had another friend A mexican FBI agent. Clearly goes against their narrative. Also Randy Weavers boy was killed by those nigger cops. >Brown vs Board. >democracy. LOOOOOOOOL >SPLC >Not liars. Oh Wow. bogus leans? is this a comedy?
Do not personate one of the creditors or share holders or you will go to Prison.18 U.S.C. 914 (No U.C.C. Redemption Manuel Process or attempting to become the secured party creditor)
AVOID THE PATRIOTS FOR HIRE AT ALL COSTS! THIS WOULD BE YOUR UCC GURUS ESPECIALLY. You cannot sue the state when you are not the state and have no status to state a claim for which relief can be granted!
There is no such thing as a power of inherent Sovereignty in the Government of the United States. In this Country, Sovereignty resides in the People. Congress can exercise no power which they have not, by their Constitution entrusted to it: All else is withheld.
(continued) Trying to claim the Sovereign Citizens movement is akin to white supremacy and racial hatred, or the actions of Timothy McVeigh, is sick and perverted. I am Jewish and queer, and I have NEVER felt marginalised by anyone I have met affiliated with the Sovereign Citizens movement. Actually, it is my experience that freemen, sovereign citizens and anarchists are among the most peaceful and diversity accepting people around.
(continued) Quoted from the clip: "Their beliefs may sound so out there that they appear comical or crazy, but don't discount or ignore these people because they are willing to kill and be killed for these beliefs" - Robert Paudert (West Memphis Police Department). Doesn't his description sound like most governments, and their enforcement arms (Police, Military... etc), in history?
Thought you naysayers might need a extra slap to the back of the head.
"The People are the fountain of sovereignty. Governments are but trustees. The People, as the original fountain might take away what they have lent and entrust to whom they please."
4 Wheat, 402.
Sorry. But you kids really shouldn't even consider yourselves "Americans". You seem to prefer Hobbes over Locke. Tsk, tsk!
(continued) The SPLC claims on their website to be "civil rights organization dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry, and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of society.", and yet this video would indicate they have dropped the ball and jumped into bed with the State. A so-called Civil Rights organisation opposing filming Police? What planet are they on? Have they bought into the lie that only the Government can enFORCE Civil and human rights?
You, as law enforcement officers, need to be protecting US, not yourselves. If you were doing your job and protecting the document to which you swore an oath... This wouldn't have happened b/c there wouldn't be a Sovereign Citizen movement if you were protecting The Constitution. I AM sorry for the loss and wish this would NOT have happened but come on, it's time to protect The Constitution..
By the same obscene reasoning as the SPLC - If only Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals and other "undesirables" had more "respect" for the Nazi regime during ww2, they would not have been sent to concentration camps and murdered. The SPLC is clearly harboring a dangerous agenda when they take an extremist example and use this to slate a whole group of people - a strategy no different to the haters they claim to oppose. Shooting another human being is NOT the actions of a Freeman or Sovereign.
Laws consist of Ordinances, statutes (public acts), Constitutions, Administrative regulations and decisions, Charters, Court Opinions, rules of court, edicts, treaties and opinions of the attorney general.
NO laws require the consent of the people, anymore, since the Lincoln era; he said that "a government majority is the only true sovereign of a free people."
Yep, "free--" like a slave who's allowed to choose his MASTER is "free."
You "sovereign citizens" morons are complete psychos. Please leave my country. You are not wanted here and it's obvious that you don't want to be here.
@KamekoBruns You call names, are CONSUMED with hatred, and you call others 'psycho'?? You have got to be a corrupt cop. End of story. Better luck in your next life.
...necessary determination of our will to any particular action..." ~ John Locke, (1894, p. 348)
There is no criminal liability where there is no lawful duty to act. No government can compel performance, but by contract or force of arms. Every Common Law man or woman has fully recognized UNALIENABLE Sovereign rights under both State and Federal Republic Constitutions.
"The necessity of pursuing happiness [is] the foundation of liberty. As therefore the highest perfection of intellectual nature lies in a careful and constant pursuit of true and solid happiness; so the care of ourselves, that we mistake not imaginary for real happiness, is the necessary foundation of our liberty. The stronger ties we have to an unalterable pursuit of happiness in general, which is our greatest good, and which, as such, our desires always follow, the more are we free from any
@newsparks47 I'm with ya. That's not my style. Just the occasional "potshot" when I come across someone so flagrantly bull-headed. In any case, nothing so untoward said. To those of you out there, words have very distinct and SPECIFIC meanings in legal affairs. Never assume you are a "resident of a state" or a "U.S. citizen", since neither is likely true. All codes are specific. All pleadings should set forth the fact and NOT merely the opinions of parties. Snow v Halstead (1851) 1 C. 359
@MrandMrsMulkuru Thank you, it really is pointless to take part in the name-calling. It only encourages ignorance really. Message me privately please, and we will talk more, add me.
All people who are sovereign living souls under God's jurisdiction only........ make sure you get a photocopy of your LIVE Birth Record form when you were born because a birth certificate is NOT the same thing, as it was created by the government therefore it is the property OF the government, so you WILL have to pay taxes for using another's 'property'. Get your LIVE Birth Record copy from whatever hospital you were born at. You won't regret it :)
@KamekoBruns I believe you may be confusing or considering the words 'law' and 'legal', 'citizen' and 'Sovereign' as synonymous. Sorry Pal, I don't reside in your Dystopian doublespeak "One form of action" world.
So what does YOUR comment have to do with all the tea in China???? Nothing...
@newsparks47 Brilliant work mashing down our clueless, baselessly opinionated, NWO poster boy, Psychotron, aka KamekoBruns! Aside from an inability to argue content, that fellow appears to have some serious anti-social tendencies. Love to dialogue with you.
You know your stuff! Set up a hushmail acct and let's talk. villafioraathushmaildotcom
@MrandMrsMulkuru Let's refrain from exchanging degradation. Remember, it is a frequency that the 'elite' want us to take part in. We are better and wiser than that ;)
@KamekoBruns You'll have to argue with the Supreme Court and USC itself then...
Organic law- "The U.S. Code (2007)[1] defines the organic laws of the United States to include the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, the Northwest Ordinance, and the U.S. Constitution."
"The only absolute and unqualified right of a United States citizen is to residence within the territorial boundaries if the United States." --US v. Valentine 228 F. Supp. 957
"the privileges and immunities of the citizens of the United States do not necessarily include all the rights protected by the first eight amendments to the Federal constitution against the powers of the Federal government." --Maxwell v. Dow, 20 S.C.R. 448, at pg. 445
"A Sovereign is exempt from suit, not because of any formal conception or obsolete theory, but on the logical and practical ground that there can be no legal right as against the authority that makes the law on which the right depends." --Kawananakoa v. Polyblank, 205 U.S. 349,353, 27 S. Ct. 526, 527, 51 L. Ed. 834 (1907)
"Citizenship of the United States does not entitle citizens to privileges and immunities of Citizens of the State, since privileges of one are not the same as the other." --Tashiro v. Jordan May 20, 1927, 255 P. 545 Cal. Supreme Court
“An officer may not require a passenger in a vehicle stopped for an infraction to provide identification.” State v. Rankin, 108 Wn.App. 948, at 954, 33 P.3d 1090 (October 29, 2001)
@newsparks47 That pertains to a passenger dumbass. Unless the car is driving itself then the driver must be licensed.
Jesus you are fucking stupid. You are just throwing up pieces of judicial decisions taken wholly out of context and offering them up as proof of your idiotic claims. When looking at the decision in full scope not one of them applies to your delusions.
But do keep flailing. It's amusing as fuck to watch.
“. . . A DETAINEES REFUSAL TO DISCLOSE HIS NAME ADDRESS, AND OTHER INFORMATION CANNOT BE THE BASIS OF AN ARREST.” State v. White, 97 Wn.2d 92, at 103, 640 P.2d 1061 (1982)
“Portion of traffic-law-enforcement statute requiring stopped motorist to identify themselves to police officers, which required unlicensed motorist to give evidence of his identity, was unconstitutionally vague; statute gave no notice of what type of identification, other than driver’s license should suffice to avoid arrest and in failing to do so, encouraged arbitrary and discriminatory enforcement. U.S.C.A.Const.Amends. 5, 14; A.R.S.section 28-1075,subd. B.” State v. Boudette, 791 P.2d 1063
“We must emphasize that we do not hold that a suspect may be detained and searched merely because he either refused to identify himself or refused to produce proof of identification.” People v. Loudermilk, 241 Cal.Rptr. 208 (1987)
“Probable cause is not established by failing to present identification upon request by a law enforcement officer, . . .” Moya v. United States, 761 F.2d 322, at 325-326 (Sept. 21, 1984).
“As we understand it, the statute does not require a suspect to give the officer a driver’s license or any other document. Provided that the suspect either states his name or communicates it to the officer by other means–a choice, we assume, that the suspect may make–the statute is satisfied and no violation occurs. See id., at ___, 59 P.3d, at 1206-1207.” Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial Dist. Court of Nev., 124 S.Ct. 2451 at 2457 (June 21, 2004).
@KamekoBruns: You should take it up with the Supreme Court AND the USC then. Argue with ME when you become better informed. EH? Organic law:
"The U.S. Code (2007)[1] defines the organic laws of the United States to include the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, the Northwest Ordinance, and the U.S. Constitution. "The Constitution is the Supreme (and thus, 'organic', aka living,) law of the land."
@MrandMrsMulkuru The Declaration of Independence has zero legal weight because 1-It's not a legal document you stark raving lunatic, and 2-it predates the creation and ratificaiton of the Constitution. Same with the Articles of Confederation you moronic dolt.
There is not a single section of the US Code or legal decision which supports your idiotic claims that citizens are not subject to the laws of the nation.
It could be said that these two gun-toting citizens are simply criminals using whatever label fits. Whilst the gentleman in the video has my sympathy, if this is the kind of bullshit spin that's going to be put on it, it's no wonder people lose their patience with authority. Wako was a state-sponsored massacre. People ALL OVER THE WORLD have had enough of the steady march of the Police State. It goads the people to take up arms.
Oklahoma bombing was proven to have "federal" hand in it - this is sheer propaganda, to indoctrinate the future terrorists they have policing us - apparently "sovereign" citizens - who protect and depend on the constitution and bill of rights, and are generally peaceful people - are extremists?! what about the extremists enforces in the FBI, CIA etc who believe its the governments rights to tax them for wars and imprison those who dont comply?
"Citizenship of the United States does not entitle citizens to privileges and immunities of Citizens of the State, since privileges of one are not the same as the other." --Tashiro v. Jordan May 20, 1927, 255 P. 545 Cal. Supreme Court
The right to bare arms was not put in The Constitution to protect us from each other, it was put in there to protect The People from THE GOVERNMENT, learn it. They KNEW what corrupt people would eventually try to do, they weren't idiots. It's in there plain as day, you just have to read it.
Learn your rights so we can stop fighting amongst each other. If you do not consider yourself a sovereign, then you are a government agent, and the government is known as a 'foreign body', making you a foreigner to the country. Let's get it right people, fighting and name-calling is for ignorant people. Yes, these officers should not have been gunned down, but did ANYONE actually SEE them get gunned down??? No. And btw, any human who commits injury is held accountable, that includes sovereigns.
"The People or sovereign are not bound by word in statutes, restrictive of prerogative right, title or interest, unless expressly named. Acts of limitation do not bind the King or The People. The People have been ceded all the rights of the King, the former sovereign............ when a statute is general and prerogative right would be divested or taken from the King (or The People) he shall not be bound." -- People v. Herkimer, 4 Cowen (NY) 345, 348 (1825)
Anyone realize that the supposed 'gun-downed' cops were the ONLY cop car without audio??? Why would that be?? THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE. The cops obviously were recorded saying something that would be considered offensive, abusive, or harassing. Fighting each and posting degrading comments is what THEY want, let's not fight please. Everyone needs to take the time to learn the law. And if you haven't yet, please don't make hateful ignorant comments. It's ridiculous. Learn.
The Kanes were NOT "Sovereign Citizens", and their seminars were about bank fraud, not anti-government. That is quite clear. So if they lie about that in this video, what else are they lying about?
Im at far more risk from police than from soverign citizens. Even more so from the CIA, who stage a lot of these "terror attacks" and run the "terror groups". This video is incredibly cheap and blatant propaganda, that just doesn't wash anyomre.
The ATF are the terrorists. They burned 78 people in a church in Waco, Texas. They shot and killed Weaver's wife. The ATF sold guns to Mexico that were used in killing americans. The cocksuckers that produced this video, the SPLC, are nigger lawyers.They are anti-white, and therefore they are racist. The ATF uses their power of the government, to steal property of citizens that disagree with the ATF terrorism. The dead cops that were killed by the "sovreigns", did not follow police procedures .
THESE HUMANS ARE SWORN TO DEFEND AND UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION . WHEN DID THEY FORGET? IT IS ALWAYS SAD WHEN THERE IS A NEEDLESS DEATH. YOU ARE FOLLOWING THE NAZI PATH IF YOU BELIEVE WE NEED TO GIVE-UP OUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS GRANTED UNDER THE BILL OF RIGHTS TO GAIN SECURITY... WHO ARE THE FASCISTS. NOW BECAUSE THESE HUMANS WITH GUNS, CAN KILL OUT OF SELF INFLICTED FEAR. I'M SORRY FOR THAT MAN'S LOSS. FEAR MONGERING WILL ONLY KILL MORE PATRIOTIC AMERICANS.
Yes the Kanes were two individuals that committed an atrocity, but they're part of a particular strain of insanity that has time and again lead to tragedy. As the video mentioned Ruby Ridge, Waco, Oklahoma City, and a whole bloody trail of other tragedies all sprung from this ultra-nationalistic mindset. The fact that there hasn't been a mass outpouring by other "Sovereigns": to denounce these murders speaks volumes about their mindset and possible intent in the future.
"Personal liberty, or the Right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or natural Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as sacred as the Right to private property ... and is regarded as inalienable."
16 C.J.S., Consti
MrandMrsMulkuru 10 hours ago
good riddance. FUCK THE POLICE
PRCNewsTube 16 hours ago
This guy wants to scare police when coming across us!
dittmar99 1 day ago
NDAA law just signed by Obama gives him the right to kill or imprison any American without a trial. The government says you are guilty, your guilty.. goodbye Bill of Rights.. And this officer is making out like WE are the bad guys for claiming our Constitutional rights... Sorry about your son.. no excuse for cold blooded murder.. but people are waking up...
sunburned3 1 day ago
All U.S. Citizens Are Sovereign Entities unto there self according to the Supreme Court, Even President George W Bush Made A speech stating so!. Now i am deeply sorry for the actions those individuals done they just have no respect for the men and women that are sworn to protect and serve. But your classifications are not going to help the matter what you should be doing is educating your law enforcement that they are sovereign entities as well.
granddragontherealm 1 day ago
So, what you are saying is a corporate "state's" own statutory regulations do not stand on their own.
I see...
The law will not stand for a statute to be a cloak for fraud.
Thanks for the affirmation.
MrandMrsMulkuru 1 day ago
Stop defrauding the People of the united states. We ARE the Sovereign power. The agencies of government are OUR servants ONLY!
Warning! The end is near for you smarmy bastids. Rumor has it bankers across the globe are resigning and entire banking families are abandoning their homes and disappearing. Papers placed on record with Parliment for fraudulent transfers of TRILLIONS of dollars. Times up for you.
MrandMrsMulkuru 3 days ago
Sovereign citizens are not at war with the country, they're at war with the government.
VotePaineJefferson 3 days ago
Just picked up New Hampshire's exemptions last night... 259:12- e Commercial Motor Vehicle. -
II. The term Commercial Motor Vehicle shall not include;
(b) Recreational vehicles (definition below)
259:84-a "Recreational Vehicle" shall mean a self- propelled or towed vehicle that is equipped to serve as temporary living quarters for recreational, camping OR travel purposes and is solely used as a family or personal conveyance... Sucks to be you!!!!!
MrandMrsMulkuru 3 days ago
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@MrandMrsMulkuru Your "citations" have all been plucked completely out of context from cases in different jurisdictions on different subjects. They do not prove your claims. As it stands, the law in this country is that statutes are law, and that a license is required to operate a motor vehicle. No paperwork that you file or words that you say will force any judge or government employee to side with you.
MidnightWins2 1 day ago
So true! However, I am not a "driver", nor do I drive a "motor vehicle" engaged in any form of "commerce". I am a member of the "general public" traveling in my private conveyance for pleasure or business, traveling upon the public highways, which is well within my right as "a matter of right".
There is nothing to argue with there.
ORS 801.203 (2) (d) Sorry Pal. Same law exists in all 50 states.
MrandMrsMulkuru 3 days ago
THOSE WERE NOT SOVEREIGNS THEY UPHELD IT
MrCongo2012 3 days ago
what a crock of shit!
MandaMiichelle 3 days ago
2 less pirates harassing people. GOOD!
leakedfromtv 3 days ago
"The people of this State, as the successors of its former sovereign, are entitled to all the rights which formerly belonged to the King by his prerogative. Through the medium of their Legislature they may exercise all the powers which previous to the Revolution could have been exercised either by the King alone, or by him in conjunction with his Parliament; subject only to those restrictions which have been imposed by the Constitution of this State or of the U.S."
Lansing v. Smith, 21 D. 89.,
MrandMrsMulkuru 4 days ago
"Where a restraint is sought to be put upon any person in respect of the exercise of any of those natural rights, I think it is the duty of the Court to assume that the legislature did not intend to interfere with them, unless clear and unequivocal words have been used."
- Rex v. Sung (Sang) Chong, 1909, 11 W.L.R 231, 14 B.C.R. 275 at 277 (C.A.)
Sung Chong Cited in: Rex v. Kite, [1949] 2 W.W.R. 195
MrandMrsMulkuru 4 days ago
The right to travel IS secured by law, 100% supported by the Supreme Court, and is hidden in the code text of all 50 States.
Discovered, verified and known codes I have encountered to date.
New Jersey MVC Chapter 3, Section 39:3-1
Idaho - 49-302(4)
Oregon - 801.208(2)(d)
Washington RCW 46.25.050 (1)/ WAC 308-100-210
California - MVC, section 260(b)
Laws of New York - Chapter 53 pg 1316 Sect 169(a)
Wyoming - MVC pg 142 Section 31-5-110
Grand fraud to the American people, it's all about
MrandMrsMulkuru 4 days ago
Yeah, Supreme Court, out of context. Very funny. Who pays you to lie so completely???
MrandMrsMulkuru 4 days ago
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@MrandMrsMulkuru Okay, I'll just repeat myself. Your "citations" have all been plucked completely out of context from cases in different jurisdictions on different subjects. They do not prove your claims. As it stands, the law in this country is that statutes are law, and that a license is required to operate a motor vehicle. No paperwork that you file or words that you say will force any judge or government employee to side with you.
MidnightWins2 3 days ago
@cesar333. Read ALL my comments, research my citations, then come refute anything you like. Right now, you are ignorant of the things the ONLY true patriots fought and died for. In 236 years, only war worth fighting was the Revolutionary. If you disagree, no skin off my nose. But, you are unfortunately as mislead and soon to be fleeced and slaughtered as every other sheep out there. Your will be done...
MrandMrsMulkuru 4 days ago
@MrandMrsMulkuru "research my citations"
Already done. They have all been plucked completely out of context from cases in different jurisdictions on different subjects. They do not prove your claims. As it stands, the law in this country is that statutes are law, and that a license is required to operate a motor vehicle. No paperwork that you file or words that you say will force any judge or government employee to side with you.
MidnightWins2 4 days ago
propaganda at it's worst ...well maybe if my boys weren't cops they would have lived ....sad sad country
jameslechon1 4 days ago
@jameslechon1 THANK THE BRITISH AND THE SO KALLED CIVILIZATION METHODS BY CAUCASOIDS..
MrCongo2012 3 days ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I love comedy central
portbooot 5 days ago
Yes, blame the soverigns, because the people that shot the cop. might have belonged to that group.. With this kind of thinking, the cops that beat down Rodney King, means that all cops are corrupt, racist, etc. Don't judge the actions of the few over the populace of an organization. This guy is so full of shit. Don't bring a camera with you, because protecting yourself with VIDEO EVIDENCE is obviously not the best course of action... -ever-
MrThetaKai 6 days ago
"Relatively obscure fringe topic"?
You can keep your civil rights, citizens.
"The Constitution of the United States of America: Analysis and Interpretation" Senate document 99-16 pgs 956-957 footnote 12 will explain these privileges for you, you poor ignorant sheep. Baaaaaah!!!
I'll stick with my natural, unalienable rights. I'm no citizen. You livestock can be killed without consequence. Yours come soon.
A great thinning of the herd. Think WWIII. Have fun!
MrandMrsMulkuru 6 days ago
@MrandMrsMulkuru We have a arm chair constitutionalists. You can take your rights and go to pakistan if you like. Men and women have died in this country for your rights and you think you can pick and choose and enhance your rights you think your entitled to?
cesar333 5 days ago
@MidnightWins2 this is only a "relatively obscure topic",because the education system(government controlled) is very careful in not teaching us anything about sovereignty,natural law,common law or anything that does not lead us to becoming a commodity asset for the system.I am a pacifist by choice,but I am also aware enough to recognize when I am under attack, no matter how subtle the approach.And in my opinion it is disgusting the direction our appointed leaders have chosen to take our country,
SlikPapaRuff 6 days ago
im sorry thos cops did not need to get shot there was no need of that and i feel bad but really we all should be free to do and be as we want aka fuck the gov im going to become a Sovereign but not start shooting people.
thegreatstateofMaine 1 week ago
Though this is a tragedy,the heavy ratio of dislikes to likes on this video,would indicate that the people of this country are feed up with the tyrannical abuse that we are subject to every day.3-1 of those who have watched this, would appear not to agree with this videos message.Today we are subject to the same abuse and taxation,which motivated the war that created this great country.And unless the people,how choose to try to take authority over others,change their tactics.War is coming again.
SlikPapaRuff 1 week ago
@SlikPapaRuff Yes, because the people taking the time to look up a video about a relatively obscure fringe topic are clearly a representative sample of the American population.
MidnightWins2 6 days ago
Our freedoms have been stolen from us and the only way we will be free again, will be to dis-band this gang of domestic terrorist's called the US Government. It is a very unfortunate event, in which these man died. But they chose to represent an organization that commits daily acts of terrorism on the American people. My sympathy goes out to their families and loved ones. However the government has declared war on the sovereign people of the land and are systematically trying to enslave us all.
SlikPapaRuff 1 week ago
when the fuck did anarchist become labeled sovereign citizens?
pieguy39 1 week ago
I voted this video down.. Give me freedom or give me death. I feel remorse for the victims and their families. But officers must respect the LAW I seen no probable cause to stop the vehicle.. What the hell is a routine traffic stop?? The people are fed up with this we do not server the government the government exist to server the people what right do you have to stop any car that is not a danger to anyone else and that has not broken any LAWS..
LearnTheTruthPeople 1 week ago
I don't agree with killing unnecessary, I do believe with all my heart that we should be able to refuse corporate police stops, and illegal information search expeditions, these people just want to be left alone, there is good and bad in everything. If civil law is built on common law, and that is built on cannon law which built on natural law. I chose natural law. Believing in the right of self determination, should not be a crime, when exercised peacefully or in justified defense of rights
fairybutrfly 1 week ago
Let's face it wall street is now the government and the government is now wall street and for them to keep on robbing you and keeping you in debt slavery they must convince you that you need to comply while they don't. USA is in deep trouble and frankly I can count wayyyy more human rights violations perpetrated around the whole world by government than against it.
djcolourzone 1 week ago
Looks like more propaganda for total enslavement...do as your told even if we abuse your rights and put you away with no trial or jury. Just by looking at the massive loss of rights since 911 I would say this is not a cut and dry argument.
djcolourzone 1 week ago
This is 'upside' down within my comments & WHY it has a character limit is messed!
TeamChristineGetP90X 1 week ago
This guy in the vid is an POWER HUNGRY Fool wanting to ENFORCE over FREE People & Beings. POLICE ARE PUBLIC~PUBLIC SERVANTS!!! I am Sovereign over MY FAMILY; My Family & I do NOT CONSENT to UNLAWFUL & ILLEGAL taxation, force, coercion, kidnapping, & ALL the other STRIPPING of OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS they ARE PRESENTLY Doing! Yes, it is unfortunate people died. It does Not have to be this way.
TeamChristineGetP90X 1 week ago
@TeamChristineGetP90X People SHOULD Mind their OWN Business. Just as I teach children when they want to 'tattle' over menial things: MIND OVER WHAT YOU DO, THEIR ACTIONS ARE ON THEM. YOU CONTROL ONLY YOUR ACTIONS SO MAKE THE RIGHT & PROPER CHOICES. SIMPLE isn't it. NO ONE wants to be harassed or ANY of the above aforementioned! NO ONE. ALL the people shown as Extremists, more than likely NOT, Just regular people like YOU & I just fed up with UNLAWFUL actions perpetrated by those paid by US
TeamChristineGetP90X 1 week ago 6
@TeamChristineGetP90X tp PROTECT & SERVE US. What? Jealous they were More liked? This IS NOT a Popularity contest! IT IS OUR FREEDOMS BEING STRIPPED OF US! WHAT?! Now my door gets kicked in because I want to BE FREE to Raise MY Children as I SEE FIT?
TeamChristineGetP90X 1 week ago
@TeamChristineGetP90X Yes, what a threat I am...aha. Single Mom trying to keep MY Children SAFE from MANY...I suppose that can misconstrued as Extreme, sure...our, perhaps, having a GARDEN, using natural instead of NOT GENETICALLY MODIFIED, sure, I guess that qualifies one as an Outlaw. Sure. The LIST GOES ON What QUALIFIES 1 as an EXTREME thinker,Non Conformist, Outlaw, or other Bad Guy.Just be a Sheep & you'll be fine~NO Free thinking & you'll be fine~
TeamChristineGetP90X 1 week ago
@TeamChristineGetP90X DO AS YOU'RE Told & DON'T Question it & Yes, you'll be fine. B*llSh*t.
TeamChristineGetP90X 1 week ago
That is complete BS! There are crazy people of every variety. You cannot generalize Sovereignty in this way. The whole idea of sovereignty is based on the Law of God. Love your enemies. Don't repay evil with evil. ect. ect. ect. They are just mad about people learning their God given rights.
divineaphrodite2010 1 week ago
way to go splc, Your creating more Sovereign citizens just by releasing this. Keep putting these things out!
lkjhlkhj 1 week ago
Southern Poverty Law Center - Sieg heil!
biped19 1 week ago
This is a piss poor propaganda video! What happened to the sound! Did those officers go through their normal routine of verbal assault! It is a shame that someone had to lose their lives, but the police officers are busy trying to enforce their policies instead of being Peace Officers and keeping the peace! What was their "probable cause" for pulling the vehicle other than harassment because the were profiling! Where is the voice recordings of communication with the dispatcher! The Big Picture!
STPETE3624360 1 week ago
what those people did that day was wrong, they shouldn't have shot those men...however, if they hadn't have been pulled over there have been no such issue. these sovereigns saw the officers as a mafia, trying to steal money from them through coercion. sovereigns are just people who want to be free, this video incites hate towards a usually loving community, a community which doesn't ask for anything but to be left alone...i'm truly sorry that this unjust shadow has been cast over sovereignty.
michaelleyland 1 week ago 13
"The laws of Congress in respect to those matters DO NOT extend into the territorial limits of the states, but have force only in the District of Columbia, and other places that are within the exclusive jurisdiction of the national government." Caha v. U.S., 142 U.S., at 215 (1894).
MrandMrsMulkuru 1 week ago
"The United States is entirely a creature of the Federal Constitution, its power and authority has no other source and it can only act in accordance with all the limitations imposed by the Constitution." Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1, 1 L. Ed. 2nd. 1148 (1957).
I guess someone forgot...
MrandMrsMulkuru 1 week ago
test
cowleshome 1 week ago
sorry that 2 american patriots died that day... and i'm not talkin about the police officers
cowleshome 1 week ago
@SovereignStatesman I'm subbing to your channel.
TacticalWarMachine 1 week ago
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my previous post was in no way meant to diminish what had happened the the officers this act is very sad and I feel for their family and friends and the people that did this are animals. But the new buzz word is sovereign citizen to justify the next faze of taking away the rights of the population. This has already started and will increase when they should be dealing with Occupy wall street as a terrorist organization,By their own words.
grubgrub2010 2 weeks ago
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my previous post was in no way meant to diminish what had happened the the officers this act is very sad and I feel for their family and friends and the people that did this are animals. But the new buzz word is sovereign citizen to justify the next faze of taking away the rights of the population. This has already started and will increase when they should be dealing with Occupy wall street as a terrorist organization,By their own words.
grubgrub2010 2 weeks ago
my previous post was in no way meant to diminish what had happened the the officers this act is very sad and I feel for their family and friends and the people that did this are animals. But the new buzz word is sovereign citizen to justify the next faze of taking away the rights of the population. This has already started and will increase when they should be dealing with Occupy wall street as a terrorist organization,By their own words.
grubgrub2010 2 weeks ago
my previous post was in no way meant to diminish what had happened the the officers this act is very sad and I feel for their family and friends and the people that did this are animals. But the new buzz word is sovereign citizen to justify the next faze of taking away the rights of the population. This has already started and will increase when they should be dealing with Occupy wall street as a terrorist organization,By their own words.
grubgrub2010 2 weeks ago
Sovereign Citizens my ass this is not the problem that you should be worrying about you should worry about the regular travel into the States from Mexico by Hezbollah and Hamas and all the Murders on your side of the Boarder, after all since when has beheading become tolerant in your country. The Government is not telling you how bad it is and according to a retired Border agent several mid eastern gents brought a weapon of mass destruction into the US in October 2011. Not reported bythe News
grubgrub2010 2 weeks ago
Dont Tread On Me! There's millions of us!
primetimebeatz 2 weeks ago
This little piggy sounds scared.HA HA HA
tony31w 2 weeks ago
OKC was a flase flag just like 9/11. SPLC controls most "right wing" groups but not this one FUCK the govrenment FUCK the police.
tony31w 2 weeks ago
As long as the individual cannot claim sovereignty over one's own body and mind, there is no liberty.
Coonstev 2 weeks ago
what a fucktard
71barnett 2 weeks ago
BULLSHIT, that was staged... pure and simple, any sovereign citizen would NEVER DO SUCH A THING... biggest bull shit ive ever seen in my life pure propoganda
LoveWisdomHarmony 2 weeks ago
Bob Paudert fuck you! your a crooked piece of shit! your son was on the drug interdiction force "something he loved to do" well he got his didn't he. You reap what you sow!
555444123 2 weeks ago
its all bullshit there is only common law they are not extremists they are free men.
red88ization 2 weeks ago
You guys leave Amish alone, then why not them? I don't condone the killing and violence, but I think they just want to be left alone.
tjohn1986 2 weeks ago
@tjohn1986 Even the Amish have to have appropriate documentation for buggies operated on public street. Indiana actually requires that buggies have license plates though that is done on a county by county basis.
KamekoBruns 1 week ago
This video is full of pure propaganda and lies. The REAL radical movement is being done by those who are violating the Constitution. RON PAUL 2012
AngelMusikal 2 weeks ago
FALSE FLAG @2:08. A Noble Lie.
Grovercleveland2012 2 weeks ago
@Grovercleveland2012 Cool story nutjob. Get back to jacking off to Alex Jones.
tjohn1986 2 weeks ago
These LOW-LIFE TRASHBAGS are difficult to infiltrate,cause they're all transient homeless LOSERS.The feds need to target the movement leaders and FRY THEM FOR SEDITION.The U.S already has enough WHITE TRASH VERMIN....ROUND THEM UP!! We'll use their TRAITOROUS remains to fill potholes....WINNING!!
HUMANSAREBENEATHME 2 weeks ago
@HUMANSAREBENEATHME
Read the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Articles of Confederation, and then rethink your statement. The traitors are usurping our rights and making this country a SOCIALIST regime. You probably think we live in a DEMOCRACY! Another lie. This country was born as and still is a Republic. Cops have become nothing more than hired goons, like low level mobsters! I do not condone the violence, though. I do hope they bring these murderers to justice.
findthetruthdammit 2 weeks ago
@findthetruthdammit Listen dude,as long as you freaks live in this country and use public resources(freeways-parks-rest areas etc etc) you have to pay YOUR FUCKING TAXES!! If you want to FREELOAD off the rest of us,you fuckers should be treated as criminals...capiche!
HUMANSAREBENEATHME 2 weeks ago
@HUMANSAREBENEATHME Spoken like a true slave! Uninformed and brainwashed by the state.
I freed a thousand slaves I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.
Harriet Tubman
Sovereign Citizen is an oxymoron, lol.
oucanemailme 2 weeks ago
@oucanemailme You low-rent cretins are LOSERS who need to blame somebody for YOUR failures in life.
GET A FUCKING JOB...LOW LIFE!!
HUMANSAREBENEATHME 2 weeks ago
@HUMANSAREBENEATHME Great argument, I'm convinced, not. I'm sure that's how you look at people. Your name and comment reflects your intellect. You presume to know so much to cover for your lack of knowledge. You are the perfect slave. Unable to expand your mind and intolerant of those that do. Instead you berate with ad hominem attacks and attempt to lower others to your slave level. It's OK, those who are awake will fight for your freedom as you ride our coat tails...
oucanemailme 2 weeks ago
@oucanemailme <---Angry welfare recipient who resents successful people so much,that he needs to create boogiemen to compensate for his LOSERISHNESS!!.You low life scumbags hate the country,but readily accept Welfare-SSI-Medicaid-Medicare & any other freebies you can get...What a bunch of Domestic Terrorist criminals you are!!
We will soon build Gitmos for Domestic Terrorist scumbags like the lot of you.NO APPEALS either....TRY'EM N FRY'EM!!
America,love it or leave it!!
HUMANSAREBENEATHME 2 weeks ago
@HUMANSAREBENEATHME You are really a sad human being. I've never taken any entitlement from the gov., I'd rather live in the woods but I do fine. It's laughable the depths of your brainwashing. Such a good bootlicker. You are absolutely clueless and anyone who has done any research and study sees right through your emptiness. Your belief in the great myth of authority is the great plague face by all peaceful, non violent people. You are the one that spews hate. So sad...
oucanemailme 2 weeks ago
@oucanemailme <--DOMESTIC TERRORIST
HUMANSAREBENEATHME 2 weeks ago
@HUMANSAREBENEATHME LMAO! Read your own words to see who the terrorist is....
oucanemailme 2 weeks ago
@oucanemailme SOVEREIGN CITIZENS=UNEMPLOYED LOSERS ON WELFARE
HUMANSAREBENEATHME 2 weeks ago
@HUMANSAREBENEATHME Proof? Just a stupid statement. Stupid Idea watch?v=2pYF2vDJGxc
oucanemailme 2 weeks ago
@oucanemailme You're NOT gonna live in OUR WOODS TAX FREE,LAZY BITCH!! We will hunt every one of you FUCKING LAZY WELFARE BUMS till all you FREELOADERS ARE DEAD!!
HUMANSAREBENEATHME 2 weeks ago
@HUMANSAREBENEATHME Now that's domestic terrorism. You are a psychpath, get some help.....
oucanemailme 2 weeks ago
Those two guys we're idiots. Now Government is painting all sovereigns in the same way. Thats like saying two bad cops are norm. People need to see the truth.
kcharles66 2 weeks ago
these morons who keep killing police officers are condemned by every law biding militia including my own.
edmund94232 2 weeks ago 4
I don't want to comment on this particular propaganda vid but words out that the Southern Poverty Law Center is a Jewish front organization.
simunsez1 3 weeks ago
@simunsez1 There is no "Jewish" front organisation because Jewish people are not a monolithic group. They represent themselves and whoever they are in cahoots with.
FlowerPowerWorldWide 2 weeks ago
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
lvanhorn2 3 weeks ago 3
I could go on, but I'll leave you with one last thing (unless somehow made to return :) ...
In the search field type in in quotes like this: "police brutality" and make note of many of the videos.
And then ask yourself and do research on such things as corporate feudalism, neo-feudalism, the iron law of oligarchy, wage slavery, debt-slavery, government-as-anarchy, and so forth. And follow the links, etc..
And I suggest this to the SPL Centre too. I mean if you truly want to save lives.
Glomerol 3 weeks ago
"...These 'rich' claim they own land, and the 'poor' are often denied the right to make that same claim. A primary purpose of the police is to enforce the delusions of those with lots of pieces of green paper... Those in power rule by force [violence and its threats], and the sooner we break ourselves of illusions to the contrary, the sooner we can at least begin to make reasonable decisions about whether, when, and how we are going to resist."
~ Derrick Jensen, 'Engame'
Glomerol 3 weeks ago
See 'True News 13: Statism is Dead - Part 3 - The Matrix' right here on YouTube.
For a start. A small small start.
Or try Collateral Murder right here in YT.
Hardly a warmup.
Glomerol 3 weeks ago
I'm just unable to feel bad for the guy at all.
degenret01 3 weeks ago 2
somebody please find the law in the constitution that states we have to pay a federal income tax!
stimpyhelpme 3 weeks ago
@stimpyhelpme Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution specifically authorizes Congress's impose "Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises."
Maybe you should try reading the document before you talk about it?
KamekoBruns 1 week ago
THIS VIDEO BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE INERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND.
Grovercleveland2012 3 weeks ago 10
Shameful sympathy attempt. I have family who are officers. They know the risks of the job. I'm sure no officer is perfect. Grow up moralfags
MrDonneiDarko 3 weeks ago 4
Politicians and police are immune from the law. Sovereign citizens ie Indigenous Americans are not. amirite? you know who's responsible for this right?
MrDonneiDarko 3 weeks ago 2
@MrDonneiDarko Sovereign Citizens aka, White Americans, are not an indigenous people. They were not the original native people like native Americans who existed in North America prior to colonisation or the nation state. White Americans are immigrant colonisers.
patrickwright1 2 weeks ago
@patrickwright1 your a tool
primetimebeatz 2 weeks ago
The SPLC. Oh. WOW. The Friends of Bill Ayers. What was he famous for stating again? Bring the revolution home. Kill your parents. Can you expect anything else from the friends of Ol'bummers. We must burn down the house to save the children. Also McVeigh had another friend A mexican FBI agent. Clearly goes against their narrative. Also Randy Weavers boy was killed by those nigger cops. >Brown vs Board. >democracy. LOOOOOOOOL >SPLC >Not liars. Oh Wow. bogus leans? is this a comedy?
MrDonneiDarko 3 weeks ago
Do not personate one of the creditors or share holders or you will go to Prison.18 U.S.C. 914 (No U.C.C. Redemption Manuel Process or attempting to become the secured party creditor)
AVOID THE PATRIOTS FOR HIRE AT ALL COSTS! THIS WOULD BE YOUR UCC GURUS ESPECIALLY. You cannot sue the state when you are not the state and have no status to state a claim for which relief can be granted!
jpnovation 3 weeks ago
Oops! Vast ignorance "resides" here...
There is no such thing as a power of inherent Sovereignty in the Government of the United States. In this Country, Sovereignty resides in the People. Congress can exercise no power which they have not, by their Constitution entrusted to it: All else is withheld.
Julliard v. Greenman, 110 U.S. 421.
MrandMrsMulkuru 3 weeks ago
SPLC and it's denizens are minions of the NWO. Plain and simple. Draw your connections and have a blast. NeoCons, NeoLibs, ADL, AIPAC whomever else.
Zionists don't like anyone, but themselves.
So killing folks ain't no biggie.
After all, who are Andreas Strassmeir and David Spiegelman?
MrandMrsMulkuru 3 weeks ago
hes full of shit..shit shit shit..
JellyBean1501 3 weeks ago
(continued) Trying to claim the Sovereign Citizens movement is akin to white supremacy and racial hatred, or the actions of Timothy McVeigh, is sick and perverted. I am Jewish and queer, and I have NEVER felt marginalised by anyone I have met affiliated with the Sovereign Citizens movement. Actually, it is my experience that freemen, sovereign citizens and anarchists are among the most peaceful and diversity accepting people around.
FlowerPowerWorldWide 3 weeks ago
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(continued) Quoted from the clip: "Their beliefs may sound so out there that they appear comical or crazy, but don't discount or ignore these people because they are willing to kill and be killed for these beliefs" - Robert Paudert (West Memphis Police Department). Doesn't his description sound like most governments, and their enforcement arms (Police, Military... etc), in history?
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FlowerPowerWorldWide 3 weeks ago
Thought you naysayers might need a extra slap to the back of the head.
"The People are the fountain of sovereignty. Governments are but trustees. The People, as the original fountain might take away what they have lent and entrust to whom they please."
4 Wheat, 402.
Sorry. But you kids really shouldn't even consider yourselves "Americans". You seem to prefer Hobbes over Locke. Tsk, tsk!
MrandMrsMulkuru 3 weeks ago
@KamekoBruns Here's a snippet for ya. Refute this...
"In the United States the People are sovereign and the government cannot sever its relationship to the People by taking away their citizenship."
Afroyim v. Rusk, 387 U.S. 253 (1967). That's a Supreme Court ruling. Back to the dark corner with you.
MrandMrsMulkuru 3 weeks ago
(continued) The SPLC claims on their website to be "civil rights organization dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry, and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of society.", and yet this video would indicate they have dropped the ball and jumped into bed with the State. A so-called Civil Rights organisation opposing filming Police? What planet are they on? Have they bought into the lie that only the Government can enFORCE Civil and human rights?
FlowerPowerWorldWide 3 weeks ago
You, as law enforcement officers, need to be protecting US, not yourselves. If you were doing your job and protecting the document to which you swore an oath... This wouldn't have happened b/c there wouldn't be a Sovereign Citizen movement if you were protecting The Constitution. I AM sorry for the loss and wish this would NOT have happened but come on, it's time to protect The Constitution..
TheJungleCook 3 weeks ago 13
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By the same obscene reasoning as the SPLC - If only Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals and other "undesirables" had more "respect" for the Nazi regime during ww2, they would not have been sent to concentration camps and murdered. The SPLC is clearly harboring a dangerous agenda when they take an extremist example and use this to slate a whole group of people - a strategy no different to the haters they claim to oppose. Shooting another human being is NOT the actions of a Freeman or Sovereign.
FlowerPowerWorldWide 3 weeks ago
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FlowerPowerWorldWide 3 weeks ago
Wow never would of i thought that propaganda on this level would reach youtube
bozzza69 3 weeks ago
act and statutes are not laws and require consent of the people..full stop
ps sory for all life lost
lordfec 3 weeks ago
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@lordfec
Laws consist of Ordinances, statutes (public acts), Constitutions, Administrative regulations and decisions, Charters, Court Opinions, rules of court, edicts, treaties and opinions of the attorney general.
NO laws require the consent of the people, anymore, since the Lincoln era; he said that "a government majority is the only true sovereign of a free people."
Yep, "free--" like a slave who's allowed to choose his MASTER is "free."
SovereignStatesman 3 weeks ago
You "sovereign citizens" morons are complete psychos. Please leave my country. You are not wanted here and it's obvious that you don't want to be here.
KamekoBruns 3 weeks ago
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@KamekoBruns >you "sovereign citizens"
Who are you talking to? I'm a sovereign STATESMAN.
I bet you don't know a scientist from a Scientologist either. Sorry your family isn't very gifted.
SovereignStatesman 3 weeks ago
@KamekoBruns You call names, are CONSUMED with hatred, and you call others 'psycho'?? You have got to be a corrupt cop. End of story. Better luck in your next life.
newsparks47 3 weeks ago
...necessary determination of our will to any particular action..." ~ John Locke, (1894, p. 348)
There is no criminal liability where there is no lawful duty to act. No government can compel performance, but by contract or force of arms. Every Common Law man or woman has fully recognized UNALIENABLE Sovereign rights under both State and Federal Republic Constitutions.
MrandMrsMulkuru 3 weeks ago
"The necessity of pursuing happiness [is] the foundation of liberty. As therefore the highest perfection of intellectual nature lies in a careful and constant pursuit of true and solid happiness; so the care of ourselves, that we mistake not imaginary for real happiness, is the necessary foundation of our liberty. The stronger ties we have to an unalterable pursuit of happiness in general, which is our greatest good, and which, as such, our desires always follow, the more are we free from any
MrandMrsMulkuru 3 weeks ago
@newsparks47 I'm with ya. That's not my style. Just the occasional "potshot" when I come across someone so flagrantly bull-headed. In any case, nothing so untoward said. To those of you out there, words have very distinct and SPECIFIC meanings in legal affairs. Never assume you are a "resident of a state" or a "U.S. citizen", since neither is likely true. All codes are specific. All pleadings should set forth the fact and NOT merely the opinions of parties. Snow v Halstead (1851) 1 C. 359
MrandMrsMulkuru 3 weeks ago
@MrandMrsMulkuru Thank you, it really is pointless to take part in the name-calling. It only encourages ignorance really. Message me privately please, and we will talk more, add me.
newsparks47 3 weeks ago
All people who are sovereign living souls under God's jurisdiction only........ make sure you get a photocopy of your LIVE Birth Record form when you were born because a birth certificate is NOT the same thing, as it was created by the government therefore it is the property OF the government, so you WILL have to pay taxes for using another's 'property'. Get your LIVE Birth Record copy from whatever hospital you were born at. You won't regret it :)
newsparks47 3 weeks ago
@KamekoBruns I believe you may be confusing or considering the words 'law' and 'legal', 'citizen' and 'Sovereign' as synonymous. Sorry Pal, I don't reside in your Dystopian doublespeak "One form of action" world.
So what does YOUR comment have to do with all the tea in China???? Nothing...
So as they say in China "Chu mà"...
MrandMrsMulkuru 3 weeks ago
@newsparks47 Brilliant work mashing down our clueless, baselessly opinionated, NWO poster boy, Psychotron, aka KamekoBruns! Aside from an inability to argue content, that fellow appears to have some serious anti-social tendencies. Love to dialogue with you.
You know your stuff! Set up a hushmail acct and let's talk. villafioraathushmaildotcom
MrandMrsMulkuru 3 weeks ago
@MrandMrsMulkuru Let's refrain from exchanging degradation. Remember, it is a frequency that the 'elite' want us to take part in. We are better and wiser than that ;)
newsparks47 3 weeks ago
@KamekoBruns You'll have to argue with the Supreme Court and USC itself then...
Organic law- "The U.S. Code (2007)[1] defines the organic laws of the United States to include the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, the Northwest Ordinance, and the U.S. Constitution."
Get back to
MrandMrsMulkuru 3 weeks ago
Because of their respect for what appears to be a Law, and many people are cunningly coerced into waiving their rights due to ignorance
--US v. Minker, 350 US 179 (1956)
newsparks47 3 weeks ago
"The only absolute and unqualified right of a United States citizen is to residence within the territorial boundaries if the United States." --US v. Valentine 228 F. Supp. 957
newsparks47 3 weeks ago
"the privileges and immunities of the citizens of the United States do not necessarily include all the rights protected by the first eight amendments to the Federal constitution against the powers of the Federal government." --Maxwell v. Dow, 20 S.C.R. 448, at pg. 445
newsparks47 3 weeks ago
"There is clear distinction between national citizenship and state citizenship," --256 P. 545, affirmed 278 US 123 Tashiro v. Jordan
newsparks47 3 weeks ago
"A Sovereign is exempt from suit, not because of any formal conception or obsolete theory, but on the logical and practical ground that there can be no legal right as against the authority that makes the law on which the right depends." --Kawananakoa v. Polyblank, 205 U.S. 349,353, 27 S. Ct. 526, 527, 51 L. Ed. 834 (1907)
newsparks47 3 weeks ago
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"Citizenship of the United States does not entitle citizens to privileges and immunities of Citizens of the State, since privileges of one are not the same as the other." --Tashiro v. Jordan May 20, 1927, 255 P. 545 Cal. Supreme Court
newsparks47 3 weeks ago
“An officer may not require a passenger in a vehicle stopped for an infraction to provide identification.” State v. Rankin, 108 Wn.App. 948, at 954, 33 P.3d 1090 (October 29, 2001)
newsparks47 3 weeks ago
@newsparks47 That pertains to a passenger dumbass. Unless the car is driving itself then the driver must be licensed.
Jesus you are fucking stupid. You are just throwing up pieces of judicial decisions taken wholly out of context and offering them up as proof of your idiotic claims. When looking at the decision in full scope not one of them applies to your delusions.
But do keep flailing. It's amusing as fuck to watch.
KamekoBruns 3 weeks ago
“. . . A DETAINEES REFUSAL TO DISCLOSE HIS NAME ADDRESS, AND OTHER INFORMATION CANNOT BE THE BASIS OF AN ARREST.” State v. White, 97 Wn.2d 92, at 103, 640 P.2d 1061 (1982)
newsparks47 3 weeks ago
“Portion of traffic-law-enforcement statute requiring stopped motorist to identify themselves to police officers, which required unlicensed motorist to give evidence of his identity, was unconstitutionally vague; statute gave no notice of what type of identification, other than driver’s license should suffice to avoid arrest and in failing to do so, encouraged arbitrary and discriminatory enforcement. U.S.C.A.Const.Amends. 5, 14; A.R.S.section 28-1075,subd. B.” State v. Boudette, 791 P.2d 1063
newsparks47 3 weeks ago
“We must emphasize that we do not hold that a suspect may be detained and searched merely because he either refused to identify himself or refused to produce proof of identification.” People v. Loudermilk, 241 Cal.Rptr. 208 (1987)
newsparks47 3 weeks ago
“Probable cause is not established by failing to present identification upon request by a law enforcement officer, . . .” Moya v. United States, 761 F.2d 322, at 325-326 (Sept. 21, 1984).
newsparks47 3 weeks ago
“As we understand it, the statute does not require a suspect to give the officer a driver’s license or any other document. Provided that the suspect either states his name or communicates it to the officer by other means–a choice, we assume, that the suspect may make–the statute is satisfied and no violation occurs. See id., at ___, 59 P.3d, at 1206-1207.” Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial Dist. Court of Nev., 124 S.Ct. 2451 at 2457 (June 21, 2004).
newsparks47 3 weeks ago
@KamekoBruns: You should take it up with the Supreme Court AND the USC then. Argue with ME when you become better informed. EH? Organic law:
"The U.S. Code (2007)[1] defines the organic laws of the United States to include the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, the Northwest Ordinance, and the U.S. Constitution. "The Constitution is the Supreme (and thus, 'organic', aka living,) law of the land."
MrandMrsMulkuru 3 weeks ago
@MrandMrsMulkuru The Declaration of Independence has zero legal weight because 1-It's not a legal document you stark raving lunatic, and 2-it predates the creation and ratificaiton of the Constitution. Same with the Articles of Confederation you moronic dolt.
There is not a single section of the US Code or legal decision which supports your idiotic claims that citizens are not subject to the laws of the nation.
Good by moron.
KamekoBruns 3 weeks ago
It could be said that these two gun-toting citizens are simply criminals using whatever label fits. Whilst the gentleman in the video has my sympathy, if this is the kind of bullshit spin that's going to be put on it, it's no wonder people lose their patience with authority. Wako was a state-sponsored massacre. People ALL OVER THE WORLD have had enough of the steady march of the Police State. It goads the people to take up arms.
warlock242 3 weeks ago
Oklahoma bombing was proven to have "federal" hand in it - this is sheer propaganda, to indoctrinate the future terrorists they have policing us - apparently "sovereign" citizens - who protect and depend on the constitution and bill of rights, and are generally peaceful people - are extremists?! what about the extremists enforces in the FBI, CIA etc who believe its the governments rights to tax them for wars and imprison those who dont comply?
Daggl3 3 weeks ago
Can you say SLANTED view? Propaganda? Pathetic?!
jerami101 3 weeks ago
"Citizenship of the United States does not entitle citizens to privileges and immunities of Citizens of the State, since privileges of one are not the same as the other." --Tashiro v. Jordan May 20, 1927, 255 P. 545 Cal. Supreme Court
newsparks47 3 weeks ago
The right to bare arms was not put in The Constitution to protect us from each other, it was put in there to protect The People from THE GOVERNMENT, learn it. They KNEW what corrupt people would eventually try to do, they weren't idiots. It's in there plain as day, you just have to read it.
newsparks47 3 weeks ago
Learn your rights so we can stop fighting amongst each other. If you do not consider yourself a sovereign, then you are a government agent, and the government is known as a 'foreign body', making you a foreigner to the country. Let's get it right people, fighting and name-calling is for ignorant people. Yes, these officers should not have been gunned down, but did ANYONE actually SEE them get gunned down??? No. And btw, any human who commits injury is held accountable, that includes sovereigns.
newsparks47 3 weeks ago
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newsparks47 3 weeks ago
"People of a state are entitled to all rights, which formerly belong to the King by his prerogative." -- Lansing v. Smith, (1829) 4 Wendell 9,20 (NY)
newsparks47 3 weeks ago
"The People or sovereign are not bound by word in statutes, restrictive of prerogative right, title or interest, unless expressly named. Acts of limitation do not bind the King or The People. The People have been ceded all the rights of the King, the former sovereign............ when a statute is general and prerogative right would be divested or taken from the King (or The People) he shall not be bound." -- People v. Herkimer, 4 Cowen (NY) 345, 348 (1825)
newsparks47 3 weeks ago
Anyone realize that the supposed 'gun-downed' cops were the ONLY cop car without audio??? Why would that be?? THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE. The cops obviously were recorded saying something that would be considered offensive, abusive, or harassing. Fighting each and posting degrading comments is what THEY want, let's not fight please. Everyone needs to take the time to learn the law. And if you haven't yet, please don't make hateful ignorant comments. It's ridiculous. Learn.
newsparks47 3 weeks ago
any cop who loses his life over illegal plants is a dumbass. this is payback for the 50,000 raids / year by jack-booted scum.
commieplot 3 weeks ago
Spinning this into propaganda does nothing for your credibility
thepatriotsheepdog 3 weeks ago
The Kanes were NOT "Sovereign Citizens", and their seminars were about bank fraud, not anti-government. That is quite clear. So if they lie about that in this video, what else are they lying about?
TheRealHarryHolt 3 weeks ago
Im at far more risk from police than from soverign citizens. Even more so from the CIA, who stage a lot of these "terror attacks" and run the "terror groups". This video is incredibly cheap and blatant propaganda, that just doesn't wash anyomre.
kitten123456779 3 weeks ago
The ATF are the terrorists. They burned 78 people in a church in Waco, Texas. They shot and killed Weaver's wife. The ATF sold guns to Mexico that were used in killing americans. The cocksuckers that produced this video, the SPLC, are nigger lawyers.They are anti-white, and therefore they are racist. The ATF uses their power of the government, to steal property of citizens that disagree with the ATF terrorism. The dead cops that were killed by the "sovreigns", did not follow police procedures .
graverobber35 3 weeks ago
@graverobber35 Yes, this is true..... very tragic indeed. A TRUE story of murder for no reason....
newsparks47 3 weeks ago
THESE HUMANS ARE SWORN TO DEFEND AND UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION . WHEN DID THEY FORGET? IT IS ALWAYS SAD WHEN THERE IS A NEEDLESS DEATH. YOU ARE FOLLOWING THE NAZI PATH IF YOU BELIEVE WE NEED TO GIVE-UP OUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS GRANTED UNDER THE BILL OF RIGHTS TO GAIN SECURITY... WHO ARE THE FASCISTS. NOW BECAUSE THESE HUMANS WITH GUNS, CAN KILL OUT OF SELF INFLICTED FEAR. I'M SORRY FOR THAT MAN'S LOSS. FEAR MONGERING WILL ONLY KILL MORE PATRIOTIC AMERICANS.
xf2gscorsair 3 weeks ago
Yes the Kanes were two individuals that committed an atrocity, but they're part of a particular strain of insanity that has time and again lead to tragedy. As the video mentioned Ruby Ridge, Waco, Oklahoma City, and a whole bloody trail of other tragedies all sprung from this ultra-nationalistic mindset. The fact that there hasn't been a mass outpouring by other "Sovereigns": to denounce these murders speaks volumes about their mindset and possible intent in the future.
PTKilowatt 4 weeks ago