What a shameless outright distortion of facts! Nearly every word is twisted so that the truth cannot even recognized! Shame on you for your hypocritical, self-righteous, lying demonization of Israel and the complete whitewashing of any wrongdoing on the part of the Arabs who started this conflict with their constant provocations - just like they started every war in their repeated attempts to wipe out all the Jews. Your being a Jew make it even more shameful you disgusting sell out!
Having a Canadian Jew [Montreal raised} as a friend, I try to put a chink in her armor to be more compassionate to the Palestinians , but to no avail. So we have decided to agree to disagree for friendship purpose. I still feel sad that she is so very righteous about the subject.
@oldstock1607 It's not funny, it's sad. However, if I want to talk about the fact that Jews drink the blood of Muslim or Christian children. Will be a lot of positive feedback from the local audience.
@goringorin77 of course I meant "funny" as in peculiar, not funny as in "haha." It is truly a fascintaing lesson in human psychology to see how it is primarily leftists, who fancy themselves champions of human rights, warrirors against racism, and overall more enlightened creatures than their conservative counterparts are also some of the most rabid anti-semites, condone disgusting terrorist acts committed by the Palestinians, and say things like "zionists deserve everything they get."
@oldstock1607 I can understand why Muslims hate Jews and Israel. Apparently because Islam is the religion of peace :-). But why does the left so hate Israel? Chomsky intellectual shahid? You know why?
@goringorin77 I've wondered about this for a while. I've even asked a psychologist friend of mine. The best I can come up with is that the "plight" of the Palestinians has become a leftist cause celebre worldwide. It's simply trendy for them to pretend like they give a shit about the Palestinians. The fact that the U.S. is a strong ally of Israel REALLY boosts the trendiness of the cause, since hating the U.S. is always fashionable for leftists the world over. It's like Iraq. Nobody in the
@oldstock1607 world gave two shits about the Iraqi people UNTIL the U.S. invaded, then all of the sudden it was hands across the planet for the Iraqis. It is very telling (and repugnant) that they call the Israelis "nazis." This is common attack tactic of the left. Disagree with someone on ANY issue? call them a "nazi." It's their fave. And of course since Chomsky is the messiah of the left, anything he says about anything at all is like gospel. He hates Israel and VOILA!! so do leftists.
@oldstock1607 But it's immoral! Leftists are the ideological basis of fascism including Islamic fascism. Why history teaches nothing? Hitler, Stalin, Musolino, and many other butchers were socialists. Why are not ashamed to be left????
@goringorin77 Absolutely. But leftists don't realize this. In fact, if you were to ask your average leftist, they would INSIST to you that Hitler and Mussollini were right-wing extremists, and would say that Stalin was merely a dictator. In any case where "racism" (the ostensible "King" of leftists' bogeymen) can be dissasociated with the regime in some way, regardless of how repressive it was, they will think they were cool.
@goringorin77 No problem. I am still trying to understand them too. Two factors that I can indentify with leftists for absoulte certain are: 1. A hatred of their own nation. Since most are from Western democracies, they see Western Deomcracies in general as completely evil, and the one under which they live as particularly bad, and 2. A hatred of their own people. Since most leftists are whites, they believe whites are evil, and spend much time fawning over non-whites. To them white-western =
@oldstock1607 EVIL, non-white, non-western = GOOD. This is why when muslim terrorists attack their nations, the FIRST thing they do is apologize for the behavior of these people through every available media outlet, saying things like "Islam is a religion of peace" or "It's our own foreign policy that caused this!" Never will they take Islam itself to task on the subject. The worst of these are definitely in the U.S. and UK. So the formula is ATTACK you own, DEFEND your enemies. Some people say
@oldstock1607 That secular Jews are the cause of this mindset, and I partially agree with that. Chomsky here, for example, an absolute demi-God to the left, is a secular Jew. They are certainly responsible for promulgating this doctine of self-loathing and self-hatred, Just as many of the ideological founders of Communism and socialism were. Of course these Jews don't hate themselves, but want those amongst whom they live to hate themselves. This makes it easier to exploit them.
Any strength and pride the Jewish world community has, lies in the existence of Jews who hold opinions antithetical to those of Chomsky. This man is a fine example of what happens to the human mind when you forget who you are and where you come from.
@oldstock1607 He's a human and he comes from Earth, and I guess what happens when you're just a human like everyone else is you become recognized as the most important public intellectual on the planet? Nationalism, even Jewish nationalism, is really, really stupid and it's hardly a surprise that someone like Noam Chomsky doesn't allow the ethnicity of his parents bias him one way or the other, and corrupt his ability to assess the world with a rational eye.
@BigMikeMcBastard If all Jews felt like chomsky, their bloodline would have been eradicated from the earth long, long ago. The world of reality and the netherworld of Ivory tower intellectualism are, at times, mutually exclusive. Chomsky's assesment of Israel neglects one very important fact, and that is that much of the Jews persecution over millenia, has resided in the fact that they were a people without a nation-state of their own. It is where it is, and it will stay there.
@oldstock1607 The fact that Jews have been mistreated for quite a while doesn't give them permission to mistreat their own oppressed demographic.
As for Jews being eradicated, that's probably true, but that's only because Chomsky doesn't seem to care for such meaningless things as nationality, or ethnicity, or religion. If all members of any such label felt like Chomsky, that particular label would cease to be of its own volition.
@BigMikeMcBastard And herein lies the problem. The Palestinians are VERY MUCH the captains of their own fate in this whole affair. If they were to abandon their incessant aggression, and mindless acts of wanton violence, the killing, their "oppression" would cease immediately. The mainstream media has been very astute in theis smear campaign against the Israelis, but the TRUE story would shock you. Palestinians are some of the nastiest terrorists on the face of the earth, and that is a fact.
@BigMikeMcBastard As an American, I can sympathize with the Israelis for the whole world and their media attacking and smearing an entire nation of people by presenting only the Palestinians side of the conflict. I think that when your entire population votes one of the world's premier terrorist organizations into power by popular vote, you have a fairn indication of the mindsewt of your people.
@oldstock1607 The Israelis have illegally occupied areas beyond those allotted to them. They fairly often kill and wounded Palestinian civilians. They have a stated intention of keeping the Palestinians in a state of economic privation. If Hamas et al vanished overnight, what would change? Would Israel withdraw their illegal occupation of various parts of Palestine? Would they acquiesce to a two-state solution? Do you seriously think all the shit Israel does is solely Palestine's fault?
@BigMikeMcBastard maybe not solely, but primarily, yes. The Jews would absolutely agree to a two-state solution. They offered this to the Palsetinians decades ago, and the Pali's chose to remain beligerent. What people fail to realize (and Muslims EVERYWHERE will lie and deny this) is that this is as much about ideology as it is territory. Jew-hatred is the sixth pillar of Islam. If the Jews were to pack up and move to the S. pole, rest assured, the palis would follow them there and attack them
@oldstock1607 Yeah, I'm sure the Nazis felt the same way when they were oppressing the Jews. Amazing how the tables have turned. What's the Yiddish word for "Lebensraum", anyway?
@winston2015 Precisely. Personally I don't give a shit about the Palestinians or the Jews. If it weren't for the existence of their poison semitic blood, the world would be a much happier place
@BigMikeMcBastard Lame. Anyone who makes the comparison between modern Israel and the Nazi regime clearly knows nothing of the Nazi regime. And it is truly, truly shabby to invoke the word "nazi" in reference to anyone other than actual nazis. I took you for an intellectual until you came out with that.
@BigMikeMcBastard While I'm sure Mr. Chomsky would love to hear you say it nearly as much as he loves the sound of his own voice, I think you grossly overstate the man as "the most important public intellectual on the planet." A linguist by education, he holds forth on every subject from politics to the environment. No other intellectual is afforded that type of leeway. He is brilliant, to be sure, but he also defends Hamas, and Hizbollah, which, no matter how you slice it, is reprehensible
General question for everyone(bcs our freind truthslap cant read english)-
"Show me how US foreign policy & poverty perpetuated attacks on western& non muslim targets"jihad style" 200 yrs ago"(on the barbary coast). Prove with fact & reference that its not islamic doctrine on a roll from 1400 yrs ago thats responsible for antiwestern aggression and its simply "poverty & US foreign policy only. Love to hear some of these answers if u can. Dont post unless u can back it with fact & reference.
@Pitttdog that is not English. you've not made any point, and I've been patient enough to address every coherent question you've raised. you either have less a grasp of English than somebody who's only spoken the language for five years, it's my fourth language mind you, or you are being purposely unclear. I sincerely believe it's the latter.
COMPARING ISRAEL TO NAZI GERMANY? HAHA GOOD ONE BUT WHY DON´T YOU WATCH "HITLER UND DAS ISLAM" AND HIS NAZIMUSLIM DIVISION "HANDSCHAR". THE PALESTINIAN LEADER MUFTI WAS A FASCIST; RACIST PIG and his nephew ARafat too...sorry for telling you the truth! THAT´S A FACT!
@Pitttdog if you even had the ability to listen, if you could leave your bags at the door and be refreshed by a salient point of view, you might learn something instead of going on like an incorrigible idiot.
@truthslap typical non thinkers response on a topic both u and this moron know nothing about-Tell me this oh enlightened one.Chomsky says the reason these muslims conduct their suicide bombings etc is due to foriegn policy & poverty.Why dont the hindu indians do this(ever)?where was foreign policy when the muslims attacked the new born US navy 200 yrs ago?why does this jihadist movement(including"palestine")murder & attack other muslim countries(sunni vs shiite etc).wake up stupid treehugger
@Pitttdog there are tons of examples of countries that were victimized by long-term terrorism campaigns by the US that have never once retaliated militarily against us. Obvious examples include Cuba and Nicaragua. Your argument seems to be that because Afghanis are desperate and extremist, while they're starving and having their schools bombed, that absolves US foreign policy of any responsibility to that effect. you sound like you could benefit from going back to school.
@truthslap dont stray from the topic.violent islamic aggression has nothing to do with US foreign policy.Its not bcs theyre "desperate & extremist".Theres no such thing as islamic'extremist'Answer the question-if chomsky is correct-which is isnt-show me how US foreign policy perpetuated attacks on western& non muslim targets"jihad style" 200 yrs ago.why havent the Palos attacked Jordan who slaughtered 40,000 of them in ONE month or Syria who murdered 20k in 3 weeks?Why the Us and the west?
@Pitttdog violent aggression around the world is quite related to US sponsored terrorism, the destruction of infrastructure and schools, interception of food and medicine, the political unrest, the violence affecting every impressionable young person. it's interesting you'd mention the Palestinian-Jordan conflict, the US intervened there specifically to move troops into the West Bank in 1970. you're comparing brief skirmishes to permanent violent colonialism, either disingenuously or naively.
@Pitttdog question: Why the US and the west? answer: you're comparing brief skirmishes to permanent violent colonialism. that was your question, I answered it.
@truthslapno you havent."show me how US foreign policy perpetuated attacks on western& non muslim targets"jihad style" 200 yrs ago"on the barbary coast.the very same mentality and ideology used in attacks against the west now(not to mention other muslim denominations shia,sunni,etc). If you are right then if israel stops settlements & retaliatory military strikes etc-you would have certain peace and not a jewish/israeli holocaust by the muslim arabs.correct?lets hear your answer
@Pitttdog nowhere in that entire rambling preamble was a question. I think you're purposely being unclear. If the illegal, racist settlement expansion were to stop, along with the blockades and military strikes, there is NO question there'd be considerably more peace along the Gaza Strip. civilians on both sides of the conflict have suggested a strong willingness for peace with a two-state solution.
@truthslap-it seems ur having difficulty.Heres the cut & paste AGAIN"show me how US foreign policy perpetuated attacks on western& non muslim targets"jihad style" 200 yrs ago"(on the barbary coast).Again you have skewed the topic.
More peace along the gaza strip?So ALL the rocket attacks,suicide bombings would stop with certainty yeah?By Peace,u also include Hamas's imprisonment & murder of political opponents,nonconforming clerics & muslims & non muslims wouldnt be dhimmis?answer the 1st Q.
@Pitttdog You are completely incoherent, I think you're honestly being insincere, I've answered your question thoroughly, or at least what part of your incoherent ramblings could be considered a question. I don't know what your real agenda is, but when you're looking for a real answer, you have to put forward a REAL question.
@Pitttdog I learned English just five years ago, and I know how to phrase a question. It's for this reason that I can say with near certainty that you purposely being unclear in an attempt to make it look like your questions can't be answered.
@truthslap Just as i thought.Cant answer the question or wont bcs it would smash the bullshit theory that you idiot treehuggers have that islamic murder & aggression towards the west is borne of foreign policy & poverty.Do you even know the kuffar attacks on the barbary coast in the1800s?Have u studied the koran,hadith & tafsir & how its infused in arab politics & military?Do u even know the palo intifada,birth of pakistan,kosovo etc stem from tjhe same?no,u dont.so shut it.Cant ID the Q my ass
@Pitttdog I see something about the Barbary Coast, I have heard about the skirmishes, which seem more like the everyday piracy we see today coming from that coast of Africa, but we hardly call it a war now. Piracy has existed for as long as man has sailed, and you're blaming Arab politics for that? you are a ridiculous, mostly incoherent person, and you obviously have a very low-brow racist agenda.
@truthslap dear uneducated moron.U havent answered the question & exposed how little u know of arab/muslim history & culture.Babrary coast'skirmishes' r an extension of the greater jihad(WAR stupid).It ID a definite enemy,and was a focused campaign by a specific group(muslims).War was declared by the US in return.U cannot call anyone stupid with ur pathetic knowledge.How stupid are u? need it translated to another language?give up moron.Cant read,no knowledge-doesnt stop u from barking does it?
@Pitttdog why can't you at least once use spaces, punctuation, and spelling that makes even alittle sense? why do you go on, when people continually and patiently beg clarification on your incomprehensible ranting, why can't you at least once be clear and present your issue. I've already answered every question I can decipher from your mostly illegible rambling, I don't think we're being educated here, so I'm done.
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his opening statement is not true, BULL Israel does not want to kill civilians, first it's repulsive to them, seconded the political blow back, like from this guy, does not help Israel, in fact Hamas want their kids to get killed to make a political point, Israel wants to kill all Hamas fighters, but they hide behind their women and children so guys like Chormskyan can go on and on blah blah.
You know I don't quite understand when Obama said America is not fighting with Muslims or Islam. And yet, the bombs and the rockets that the Israelians are using is made and paid by American tax payers. Alqaeda killed 2700 Americans and 300 foriegners on 911, whereas Bush killed far more Muslims than Alqaeda killed in 911. The civilian casualties in Afghanistan is going up by the year, and you are not war with Islam? Someone educate me..
true amar....but obama is just another puppet, and so are all the american presidents before and after him.
The american people need to see this and understand that there is something deep deep inside their governments thats controlling them and they need to break free from it
@hebz45 what the electorate needs to pull away from is corporate donations and sponsorship. Obama for instance was primarily financed by financial institutions such as goldman sachs and as a requirement of such sponsorship he must now become their representative to justify and payback the financial support. US politicians are corporate puppets and this will never end until corporate sponsorship is ended and all potential representatives are publicly funded to equal the playing field.
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Israel will never go down But if it did you you old fart will go with them trust me, what bull shit even if Israel was evil it would not try to hurt civilians because of the political fall out by bullsahit artisits
what exactly is PaashRevolutionary complaining about?
I read through his initial comments trying to figure it out, but all I can find is his own ignorance & misunderstandings about what is being discussed.
Arguments further develop from there as he becomes hysterical over peoples replies.
Tao Te King states: "What is true doesn't sound pleasing, what sounds pleasing isn't true". Paash' opinion is radical, but I cannot disagree with him, and I know quite a lot... I only think that his stance is uncompromising, and would lead to further suffering and injustice. The Israeli case on the other hand, is historically weak and filled with atrocities such as house demolitions, deterrence (=creating fear), 1500 degrees to-the-bone white phosphor on civilians (=terrorism) and so on...
I just watched all episodes with great interest. This man isn't just explaining the Middle East conflict. He's teaching a generation how to perceive and interpret our world correctly and independently - sort of like a good father does. Thank you Noam Chomsky.
Another solution would be that israelis evolve and recognize that the true holy ground of all humans lies in Ethiopia. England can give them fertile land there, and the US can keep on supplying them with nukes and billions of dollars anually (and have bases there). They can build settlements and ruthlessly push ethiopians futher and further out, as they do so cheerfully. Okay, a few stones will be thrown, but with nice use of propaganda, they could call that terrorism.
Thanks Paash! I read your posts and I believe that a 2-state-solution (pre-67 border) is the only viable option. It seems to be the Jewish opinion that they are wine and the rest of us are mud. Those things lead to exclusivism, separatism and to racist behaviour. If they cling to that belief and deem a rightful return of Palestinians impossible, they should make them a generous offer instead of dumping white phosphor on them. But let's not drive them into the sea, just back into Israel...
The only solution is Palestine without Zionist occupation. You didn't dare hinting this solution for South Africa (or may be you did, white and a black South Africa). To achieve this dream, of un-occupied Palestine, if the Zionists need to be kicked out, so be it (like the british from India, like the french from Algeria, like the americans from Vietnam, and no concessions on behalf of their historic victim status, if US/Europe is keen they can have 'em, after all most of them are Europeans).
I cannot truly disagree with what you say, except that your solution is not the ONLY solution. Remember: we are talking about human life and human rights on both sides. I have trouble with people being kicked, period. I find the Israeli strategy of expulsion and their actions like in Beirut and Gaza dispicable. But that is leadership, not the people. And end to injustice and untruth needs to be enforced. And a nice long trial for Israeli leaders in the The Hague would surely be in place.
What happened in Gaza or during Nakba is merely symptomatic of what happens when racially supremacist belief system unleashes its juggernaut on the people. Why should we have sympathy for a Zionist family emigrating from France to the ever-spreading settlements. When the time comes we need to fight for the oppressed and not delving into liberal (soft imperialist) deliberations. It's not the humanity of oppressor that's lost but the imposition of inhumane ideological conditions on the oppressed.
Again, hard to disagree. Yet you can't kick all Americans out of the states they stole. Same goes for Australia and the Aboriginals. Whatever happens: it needs to be just and human. The legal status: Gaza, West Bank and East Jerusalem are Palestinian AND Palestinians have the right of return to all of the land. So Israel has to back off, return stolen land, open the gates and be humble. Anything else is inhumane and injust. It comes down to the people... and then I saw this: watch?v=Uxt9HwfPwPo
legality is a concept designed by certain people to serve interest of certain people, very unlike laws of the nature, which apply equally to all. We know that Zionist occupation of Palestine (Israel) was expression of Euro-American anti-semitism imposed on the British occupied Palestine. Any compromise with colonialism and racism is abetment. If the Zionist want to stay in the independent Palestine without their Zionism they should be welcomed.
The law applies equally too, except for Israel apparently. We are not just anlmals: we can go against nature. That is why the law, especially from the most respected body: the international court of law or the most representative body: the united nations, is needed to settle issues. According to these supreme bodies, the status of the Palestine territories is undisputed and so is their right of return. The votes aren't close calls: the world on one side, Israel and the US on the other side...
that's as much who died in the "great terror" after the French revoultion just goes to show you that Israel and America are useing their own great terrror to force the world into submiton
Terrorism can be defined as "targeting civilians for politial reasons". That is exactly what Israel willingly did in Gaza, with their 'operation Mad Dog', dumping 1500 degrees white phosphor on civilians that were trying to find shelter in a hospital. That is terrorism. Forcing Palestinians to live as prisoners, in constant fear of losing their homes, their country and their loved ones is inhumane. Of all people, Israelis should know better than to create thousands of Palestinian Anne Franks...
I completely agree with you...Israel should know better your right their the ones who suffered at the hands of Hitler Anne Frank is a great example to use.
And now their bulding homes on the Palastian border....even worse!
@ Peadarisback - why should Israel (Zionist Occupation of Palestine/Ziop) know better, it does not represent the oppressed Jews of WW2, it is the oppressor, and an oppressor doesn't has the right to own the legacy of the people who fought against and suffered from the oppression, though the legacy of third reich comes naturally to the Ziop.
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I don't know how to explain the range of explanations I recieved that were patently set to redirect my inquries from any possiblity of an Israeli vessel on reporters and humanitarian aids workers.
I thought the talk would be a level headed discussion concerning the recent war on Gaza and not a propaganga campaign. I was wrong. It's important to see where information is coming from psychologically.
All truth that grows from hatred and paranoia is lies, or truthiness.
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I saw the video regarding the SS Dignity. Later I was listening to Elloit Chodof in a speech that was mostly a fair and balanced rationalization of the demented acts of soldiers shooting fish in a barrel (Gaza). I was struck as when I asked about the ship he immediately and resolutely declared it a hoax. The people gathered around also chimed in with the sigular purpose of drowning me in doubt. When I explained that there was evidence, video evidence, the room became very quiet.
No chance. The Arab world is not interested in a 2 state solution.They want a bigger Palestinian country then the one they already have,namely Jordan.Nothing but total annihilation of Israel.Never mind there English interviews,its what they say in Arabic interviews that is more telling.
"The Arab world is not interested in a 2 state solution."
This is simply not true. The position of the Arab League - and it's a position which is also accepted by Iran, Hamas and Hizbollah by the way - is a two-state solution based on the 1967 borders, and normalisation of relations with Israel.
Basically, the Arab world accepts and endorses the international consensus, which has been on the table for some 30 years now.
and the right to return of nearly 2 million so called "Palestinians Arabs" Think you seem to have forgotten that Aloofmicrobe. Normalization is a good one alright.There is nothing normal about the so called relations with the dictator in Egypt. Withdrawal from Gaza is a clear indication of what peace with the terrorist Hamas would be like. They are stopping progress in the region.The Arab league stood shoulder to shoulder with Iraq in 1990. But at least the PLO backed Iraq.
You think wrong. If you'd asked me what I thought of the 2 state option 6 months ago I'd have been equivocal and said that I don't like it very much, because there are problems: eg it would legitimise the ethnic cleansing of 1948 for a start - that's a serious problem. But in the absence of any other proposals a botched peace is surely better than no peace at all.
Now though I think even a 2 state settlement is not really an option for the Palestinians.
In my opinion there is one possibility, and only one, of a viable, lasting, just peace in the region and that's a single state - a single, democratic, multi-ethnic state that's committed to providing a homeland for ALL of historic Palestine, Jews and Gentiles alike.
I like the single state thought. Good thinking outside the box Aloofmicrobe. Bet nobody in the UN or Arab league thought of that.Thats it ,I'm off to the UN HQ.Wheres my plastic folder!!
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Hamas is nothing more then a blood thirsty terror organization that butchers its own as well as Israeli citizens.Neither side speaks the truth openly on the media,no matter who the mouth piece is.Palestinian Arabs have been ignored by most Arab states then western states.They should hang there heads in shame.Great that they can blame everything on Israel all the same. Not since the Great Saladin was alive have Arabs had a leader of any standing.But blame that on Israel as well.
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The conflict can end with a two state solution any time the US & Israel accept the two-state solution that the Arab world (including Hamas) agrees on Hamas atrocities nonwithstanding.
I find it interesting how he mixes fact with conjecture in an way that makes the conjecture seem like fact, very skilful.
His idea that the severity of various crimes is relative is also odd. For example that Israeli's ramming of a warship is somehow much worse than piracy in Somalia. How does one draw this conclusion?
He is entirely fixated on Israeli actions without consideration of impetus of those actions, obviously totally biased.
I don't know if the blockade is illegal by international standards, nor do I particularly care. The blockade is obviously necessary to prevent the smuggling of weapons.
The ship was a loaded with activists intent on making a political point, not delivering aid. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous.
How can the act of preventing a ship from breaking a blockade compare to pirates seizing a ship by force and kidnapping the crew for ransom? The analogy is absurd.
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Another Zionist commenting (sorry criticizing) on the crimes of Zionist colonialism which has been occupying Palestine for the last 60 years and decemating the indigenous people. Chomsky fits perfectly to the definition of his oft repeated word - hypocrite.
For those offended by this - please refer to his comments on Zionism & Jewish homeland in his interview with The Book TV. Also, if you can read and analyse on your own, check out his Zionist past in the official biography by Robert Barsky.
Hi Julia, The question is manifold, yes we must understand what the ralatively objective facts are, in this you are correct that Chomsky does present plethora of facts. But the more fundamental question is of the framework in which these facts are being used i.e. the purpose which dictates the origin and use of these facts. In this Chomsky stands with orthodox Zionists... see the next comment...
following my last comment.... In this Chomsky stands with orthodox Zionists i.e. he and his ilk would love to talk about atrocities of Israel in Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon, etc. but never for a moment mention 1948 i.e. the colonial origins and nature of Israel. Why ? because then he has to explain why he and his wife went to the Promised Land and worked in the Kibbutz and his persistent defense of Jewish homeland.
Please read my previous comments. Chomsky's thinking has not changed, he has remained consistent and true to his orthodox Zionist roots i.e. building homeland for the Jews in the Palestine. He questions and criticises the atrocities of this colonial state, but never the colony itself and the ideology that resulted to it.
Also, please do point us out to which poll are you referring to. Thanks.
Well, Israel is an established country now, and I agree that what happened to the Palestinians in 1948 was wrong but at the same time I do not think destroying another country (in this case, Israel) will be productive. Instead of fighting for Israel to no longer exist, we should be fighting for justice for the Palestinians and hold Israel accountable for its crimes instead of debating its existence on its legal borders.
British rule in India was an established fact for 190 years, in which it it massacred millions (7 millions between 1943-45 in Bengal), by liberal logic British colonialism in India should've been left alone and the masters urged, pleaded and begged to have some mercy on their black subjects. The statement reeks of eurocentric racism, no? One of the questions that we should be asking is-who established Zionist colony in Palestine and for what purpose? Legality doesn't equate to legitimacy
Okay, but how do you achieve the goal of wiping Israel from existence when they are already an established country? How do you convince the world community to do so, and even then how do you take action to make sure Israel doesn't exist?
How did people fight Colonialism? How did Chinese, Indians, Africans did it? Persistent, prolonged battle against the colonisers. About the world opinion-if by that we mean western whites' opinion,then historically, except a very tiny minority,most of them were for the civilising colonial rule,it didn't matter then, it won't matter now.If we include the non-white world most of them were & are for freedom of Palestine & end of Zionist colony(doesn't mean killing/ousting Jews living in Palestine).
Do you think this is possible and the international community would go along with it? Getting rid of colonialism is a very long process, and usually for it to end the colonialists must have their own reasons to leave (like the colony isn't making them any more money). It's not that simple.
Again it depends what we mean by the international community. The process is long but Palestinians will win(all anti-colonial struggles were won by the indigenous populations)unless the Zionists wipe Palestinians out (like European whites did to the indigenous Americans),a tactical fact which Zionists understand quite well.Btw, not a single coloniser went away of her own accord, they were bled and kicked out by the continuous struggles and sacrifices of the oppressed.Decide whose side you're on.
@ 1noen1 - Please read the complete sentence in my previous message - "... (all anti-colonial struggles were won by the indigenous populations)unless the Zionists wipe Palestinians out (like European whites did to the indigenous Americans),a tactical fact which Zionists understand quite well."
@ juliaisafilmbuff123 - continuing from the previous message - you said "but how do you achieve the goal of wiping Israel from existence when they are already an established country? " Slavery was an established social order, Colonialism was, Imperialist capitalism is, shall we defend them all by the mere fact that they had/have been established? Or your question is more on tactics? If it's latter, I've answered it in the previous reply-persistent & prolonged struggle against the oppressors.
Noam Chomsky once attended a Zionist youth camp. I don't think you would find him at any similar function now.
Chomsky is a defender of international law and the United Nations as a way of resolving disputes without war. As such he, as do most Palestinians, favors a two-state solution.
The Palestinian polling comes from Near East Consulting and the Jerusalem Media and Communication Center.
@ 4teepee - Chomsky did not go to "a" Zionist youth camp, he was actively engaged with many Zionist organisations pre-1948, most prominent of them were Avukah and Hashomer Hatzair, the latter became full blown Zionist political party now called Meretz. Chomsky and his wife went to the Zionist occupied Palestine in 1953 to settle down permanently, but left in few months. In the same year, 1953, another Zionist, named Ariel Sharon, unleashed another massacre on the Palestinian village of Qibya..
@4teepee- Regarding the surveys, look at their number of correspondents 965 and 1200, & you want to extrapolate these on 11 million Palestinians, half of them living outside Palestine as refugees? Incisive! Even the agency, NEC, that you mention, found, in February 2007 survey, 70.4% palestinians, when given option in survey which was not there in the other ones, supported "a one-state solution in historic Palestine where Muslims, Christians and Jews have equal rights and responsibilities".
What about the poll, done by the same NEC, where 70.4% of palestinians voted for "a one-state solution in historic Palestine where Muslims, Christians and Jews have equal rights and responsibilities",that doesn't count? What do you mean "even Hamas has gotten the message"? you sound like a Zionist colonialist (may be you are) sending the message to Palestinians - "Get it or else..." Only a colonialist need surveys to question the benefits of its civilising, democratising campaigns. Ask Dubya.
I guess Hamas is a "Zionist colonialist" operation. Hmm. I do attach more importance to the views of Palestinians who have remained and have to endure the occupation than to those who have left.
If provided with a link to the actual poll you are referencing (not some third party interpretation of it), I will take a look at it.
So, given the power, will you bring all Palestinians back to the open-air prisons created by the Zionists? And, why do you need a survey to understand what a people who 've been uprooted, plundered and massacred for the last 60 years, want. The survey in which 70.4% of palestinians voted for "a one-state solution in historic Palestine where Muslims, Christians and Jews have equal rights and responsibilities" is done by the same Near East Consulting, you refer, in Feb 2007. Use google.
What are the keywords that access the poll's webpage?
The reason for polling is because different people have different attitudes. Furthermore, people can be ready to compromise for less than they would like, in order to at least get something that would improve their lives.
@4teepee- continuing from my last reply.. Chomsky mentions his noble intentions for going to Palestine - "Arab-Jewish cooperation within a socialist framework", but never bothers to ask who imposed these "socialist" Kibbutz on the Arabs. Ideologically, how are Chomsky's intentions of spreading libertarian socialist values among the colonised people while representing the colonisers different from Bush's intentions of spreading democracy and freedom among Iraqis? continued....
a search on chomskyinfor for '1948' has 71 results, without checking every single one I shall look at only the first page: they are all in regards to Israel.
alright you have alleged 'hypocrite' - now what hypocrisy is taking place here? The mere fact of of your accusation re: Zionist? Well you see there you're a little ignorant - the Zionism followed by Chomsky in his youth was opposed to the creation of a Jewish state, mainstream opinion would now call it anti-Zionist.
Did you bother to cross-reference my comments against Barksy's book and Chomsky's own interview? of course not. if you want to find out the reality of Zionism and Chomsky's relationship with it, please do. Chomsky was involved with orthodox Zionist groups, he moved to Palestine settle down in a Zionist Kibbutz, and more than that he is even now FOR a homeland for Jews (in his own words), if that's not Zionism of Theodor Herzl, pray do instruct us good Sir.
the Kibbutz he described as rabidly Stalinist even in the middle of the Doctors Plot trials and his wife described as having no concept of women rights outside the kitchen?
How interesting you completely ignored Chomsky's present and past support for Jewish homeland, again if that's not Zionism what is? Do you also support that Jews of the world should have a homeland in Palestine? Merely tagging a racist colony of occupiers- Stalinist - you can't dismiss Chomsky's active involvement however you try and he stayed there for over a YEAR, that's what you call leaving soon? Well, seeing that your and Chomsky's Zionist brothers stayed there for 42yrs, it WAS soon!
KentAllard - How interesting you completely ignored Chomsky's past & present support for Jewish homeland, again if that's not Zionism what is? Do you also support that Jews of the world should have a homeland in Palestine? Merely tagging a racist colony of occupiers - Stalinist- you can't dismiss Chomsky's active involvement however you try & he stayed there for over a YEAR, that's what you call leaving soon? Well, seeing that your and Chomsky's Zionist brothers stayed over 70yrs, it WAS soon!
a search on chomskyinfo for 'jewish state' 'jewish nation' 'jewish homeland' etc finds harsh condemnation of the concept, detailing its racist nature, etc
You say he supports it, yet he compares it to the concept of a christian or white state
KentAllard - Either you're quite dishonest or infatuated with the Chomskyian aura or both. I gave you two prominent references (Barksy's biography based on Chomsky's interviews and interview with the BookTV) in which he admits that he did and still supports the cause of Jewish homeland. Why can't you search for these references; read, watch, analyse and then conclude. Afterall, even Chomsky says in all of his talks - go and check the facts, so go and check the facts.
This is the real demonstration of Chomsky as an individual. After celebrating his 80th birthday (!!) in early December, he lost his wife of 59 years a couple of weeks later. He could have thrown in the towel, and given up speaking the truth, no one would've criticised him for doing that. However, he continues speaking up for good and real principles, in the belief that those watching might change the world. After ~50 years of being an activist Chomsky just keeps on going. I salute you Chomsky!!
for these recent attacks no ,but robert fisk great war for civilization: conquest of the middle east would be the best as far as i know. take it easy.
I'm reading the "Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy" by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephan M. Walt. Published late 2007, it provides alot of information and history about the Israel\Palestine conflict. Though (as the name suggests) from a U.S. political perspective.
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wda013 1 month ago
* Thanks * for the valuable upload !
wda013 1 month ago
What a shameless outright distortion of facts! Nearly every word is twisted so that the truth cannot even recognized! Shame on you for your hypocritical, self-righteous, lying demonization of Israel and the complete whitewashing of any wrongdoing on the part of the Arabs who started this conflict with their constant provocations - just like they started every war in their repeated attempts to wipe out all the Jews. Your being a Jew make it even more shameful you disgusting sell out!
JerrySPsy 1 month ago
Having a Canadian Jew [Montreal raised} as a friend, I try to put a chink in her armor to be more compassionate to the Palestinians , but to no avail. So we have decided to agree to disagree for friendship purpose. I still feel sad that she is so very righteous about the subject.
lamargopetersen 6 months ago
Let's talk about the crimes of Islamo-fascists and leftists against the Jewish State of Israel
goringorin77 10 months ago
@goringorin77 yeah, funny how no one wants to talk about that, isn't it?
oldstock1607 9 months ago
@oldstock1607 It's not funny, it's sad. However, if I want to talk about the fact that Jews drink the blood of Muslim or Christian children. Will be a lot of positive feedback from the local audience.
goringorin77 9 months ago
@goringorin77 of course I meant "funny" as in peculiar, not funny as in "haha." It is truly a fascintaing lesson in human psychology to see how it is primarily leftists, who fancy themselves champions of human rights, warrirors against racism, and overall more enlightened creatures than their conservative counterparts are also some of the most rabid anti-semites, condone disgusting terrorist acts committed by the Palestinians, and say things like "zionists deserve everything they get."
oldstock1607 9 months ago
@oldstock1607 I can understand why Muslims hate Jews and Israel. Apparently because Islam is the religion of peace :-). But why does the left so hate Israel? Chomsky intellectual shahid? You know why?
goringorin77 9 months ago
@goringorin77 I've wondered about this for a while. I've even asked a psychologist friend of mine. The best I can come up with is that the "plight" of the Palestinians has become a leftist cause celebre worldwide. It's simply trendy for them to pretend like they give a shit about the Palestinians. The fact that the U.S. is a strong ally of Israel REALLY boosts the trendiness of the cause, since hating the U.S. is always fashionable for leftists the world over. It's like Iraq. Nobody in the
oldstock1607 9 months ago
@oldstock1607 world gave two shits about the Iraqi people UNTIL the U.S. invaded, then all of the sudden it was hands across the planet for the Iraqis. It is very telling (and repugnant) that they call the Israelis "nazis." This is common attack tactic of the left. Disagree with someone on ANY issue? call them a "nazi." It's their fave. And of course since Chomsky is the messiah of the left, anything he says about anything at all is like gospel. He hates Israel and VOILA!! so do leftists.
oldstock1607 9 months ago
@oldstock1607 But it's immoral! Leftists are the ideological basis of fascism including Islamic fascism. Why history teaches nothing? Hitler, Stalin, Musolino, and many other butchers were socialists. Why are not ashamed to be left????
goringorin77 9 months ago
@goringorin77 Absolutely. But leftists don't realize this. In fact, if you were to ask your average leftist, they would INSIST to you that Hitler and Mussollini were right-wing extremists, and would say that Stalin was merely a dictator. In any case where "racism" (the ostensible "King" of leftists' bogeymen) can be dissasociated with the regime in some way, regardless of how repressive it was, they will think they were cool.
oldstock1607 9 months ago
@oldstock1607 I'm trying to understand. You're helping me with this. Thank you
goringorin77 9 months ago
@goringorin77 No problem. I am still trying to understand them too. Two factors that I can indentify with leftists for absoulte certain are: 1. A hatred of their own nation. Since most are from Western democracies, they see Western Deomcracies in general as completely evil, and the one under which they live as particularly bad, and 2. A hatred of their own people. Since most leftists are whites, they believe whites are evil, and spend much time fawning over non-whites. To them white-western =
oldstock1607 9 months ago
@oldstock1607 EVIL, non-white, non-western = GOOD. This is why when muslim terrorists attack their nations, the FIRST thing they do is apologize for the behavior of these people through every available media outlet, saying things like "Islam is a religion of peace" or "It's our own foreign policy that caused this!" Never will they take Islam itself to task on the subject. The worst of these are definitely in the U.S. and UK. So the formula is ATTACK you own, DEFEND your enemies. Some people say
oldstock1607 9 months ago
@oldstock1607 That secular Jews are the cause of this mindset, and I partially agree with that. Chomsky here, for example, an absolute demi-God to the left, is a secular Jew. They are certainly responsible for promulgating this doctine of self-loathing and self-hatred, Just as many of the ideological founders of Communism and socialism were. Of course these Jews don't hate themselves, but want those amongst whom they live to hate themselves. This makes it easier to exploit them.
oldstock1607 9 months ago
Any strength and pride the Jewish world community has, lies in the existence of Jews who hold opinions antithetical to those of Chomsky. This man is a fine example of what happens to the human mind when you forget who you are and where you come from.
oldstock1607 1 year ago
@oldstock1607 He's a human and he comes from Earth, and I guess what happens when you're just a human like everyone else is you become recognized as the most important public intellectual on the planet? Nationalism, even Jewish nationalism, is really, really stupid and it's hardly a surprise that someone like Noam Chomsky doesn't allow the ethnicity of his parents bias him one way or the other, and corrupt his ability to assess the world with a rational eye.
BigMikeMcBastard 11 months ago
@BigMikeMcBastard If all Jews felt like chomsky, their bloodline would have been eradicated from the earth long, long ago. The world of reality and the netherworld of Ivory tower intellectualism are, at times, mutually exclusive. Chomsky's assesment of Israel neglects one very important fact, and that is that much of the Jews persecution over millenia, has resided in the fact that they were a people without a nation-state of their own. It is where it is, and it will stay there.
oldstock1607 11 months ago
@oldstock1607 The fact that Jews have been mistreated for quite a while doesn't give them permission to mistreat their own oppressed demographic.
As for Jews being eradicated, that's probably true, but that's only because Chomsky doesn't seem to care for such meaningless things as nationality, or ethnicity, or religion. If all members of any such label felt like Chomsky, that particular label would cease to be of its own volition.
BigMikeMcBastard 11 months ago
@BigMikeMcBastard And herein lies the problem. The Palestinians are VERY MUCH the captains of their own fate in this whole affair. If they were to abandon their incessant aggression, and mindless acts of wanton violence, the killing, their "oppression" would cease immediately. The mainstream media has been very astute in theis smear campaign against the Israelis, but the TRUE story would shock you. Palestinians are some of the nastiest terrorists on the face of the earth, and that is a fact.
oldstock1607 11 months ago
@BigMikeMcBastard As an American, I can sympathize with the Israelis for the whole world and their media attacking and smearing an entire nation of people by presenting only the Palestinians side of the conflict. I think that when your entire population votes one of the world's premier terrorist organizations into power by popular vote, you have a fairn indication of the mindsewt of your people.
oldstock1607 11 months ago
@oldstock1607 The Israelis have illegally occupied areas beyond those allotted to them. They fairly often kill and wounded Palestinian civilians. They have a stated intention of keeping the Palestinians in a state of economic privation. If Hamas et al vanished overnight, what would change? Would Israel withdraw their illegal occupation of various parts of Palestine? Would they acquiesce to a two-state solution? Do you seriously think all the shit Israel does is solely Palestine's fault?
BigMikeMcBastard 11 months ago
@BigMikeMcBastard maybe not solely, but primarily, yes. The Jews would absolutely agree to a two-state solution. They offered this to the Palsetinians decades ago, and the Pali's chose to remain beligerent. What people fail to realize (and Muslims EVERYWHERE will lie and deny this) is that this is as much about ideology as it is territory. Jew-hatred is the sixth pillar of Islam. If the Jews were to pack up and move to the S. pole, rest assured, the palis would follow them there and attack them
oldstock1607 11 months ago
@oldstock1607 Yeah, I'm sure the Nazis felt the same way when they were oppressing the Jews. Amazing how the tables have turned. What's the Yiddish word for "Lebensraum", anyway?
BigMikeMcBastard 11 months ago
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oldstock1607 11 months ago
@oldstock1607 tell that to the tens of thousands of innocent victims. No conflict lasts long in which only one side is guilty.
winston2015 10 months ago
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oldstock1607 9 months ago
@winston2015 Precisely. Personally I don't give a shit about the Palestinians or the Jews. If it weren't for the existence of their poison semitic blood, the world would be a much happier place
oldstock1607 9 months ago
@BigMikeMcBastard Lame. Anyone who makes the comparison between modern Israel and the Nazi regime clearly knows nothing of the Nazi regime. And it is truly, truly shabby to invoke the word "nazi" in reference to anyone other than actual nazis. I took you for an intellectual until you came out with that.
oldstock1607 11 months ago
@BigMikeMcBastard While I'm sure Mr. Chomsky would love to hear you say it nearly as much as he loves the sound of his own voice, I think you grossly overstate the man as "the most important public intellectual on the planet." A linguist by education, he holds forth on every subject from politics to the environment. No other intellectual is afforded that type of leeway. He is brilliant, to be sure, but he also defends Hamas, and Hizbollah, which, no matter how you slice it, is reprehensible
oldstock1607 11 months ago
General question for everyone(bcs our freind truthslap cant read english)-
"Show me how US foreign policy & poverty perpetuated attacks on western& non muslim targets"jihad style" 200 yrs ago"(on the barbary coast). Prove with fact & reference that its not islamic doctrine on a roll from 1400 yrs ago thats responsible for antiwestern aggression and its simply "poverty & US foreign policy only. Love to hear some of these answers if u can. Dont post unless u can back it with fact & reference.
Pitttdog 1 year ago
@Pitttdog that is not English. you've not made any point, and I've been patient enough to address every coherent question you've raised. you either have less a grasp of English than somebody who's only spoken the language for five years, it's my fourth language mind you, or you are being purposely unclear. I sincerely believe it's the latter.
truthslap 1 year ago
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COMPARING ISRAEL TO NAZI GERMANY? HAHA GOOD ONE BUT WHY DON´T YOU WATCH "HITLER UND DAS ISLAM" AND HIS NAZIMUSLIM DIVISION "HANDSCHAR". THE PALESTINIAN LEADER MUFTI WAS A FASCIST; RACIST PIG and his nephew ARafat too...sorry for telling you the truth! THAT´S A FACT!
mypoliticalchannel 1 year ago
what a load of shit propaganda this is
Pitttdog 1 year ago
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@Pitttdog
"what a load of shit propaganda this is "
I completely agree, this is not propaganda ;)
he's just presenting the facts.
mindwis3 1 year ago
@Pitttdog if you even had the ability to listen, if you could leave your bags at the door and be refreshed by a salient point of view, you might learn something instead of going on like an incorrigible idiot.
truthslap 1 year ago
@truthslap typical non thinkers response on a topic both u and this moron know nothing about-Tell me this oh enlightened one.Chomsky says the reason these muslims conduct their suicide bombings etc is due to foriegn policy & poverty.Why dont the hindu indians do this(ever)?where was foreign policy when the muslims attacked the new born US navy 200 yrs ago?why does this jihadist movement(including"palestine")murder & attack other muslim countries(sunni vs shiite etc).wake up stupid treehugger
Pitttdog 1 year ago
@Pitttdog there are tons of examples of countries that were victimized by long-term terrorism campaigns by the US that have never once retaliated militarily against us. Obvious examples include Cuba and Nicaragua. Your argument seems to be that because Afghanis are desperate and extremist, while they're starving and having their schools bombed, that absolves US foreign policy of any responsibility to that effect. you sound like you could benefit from going back to school.
truthslap 1 year ago
@truthslap dont stray from the topic.violent islamic aggression has nothing to do with US foreign policy.Its not bcs theyre "desperate & extremist".Theres no such thing as islamic'extremist'Answer the question-if chomsky is correct-which is isnt-show me how US foreign policy perpetuated attacks on western& non muslim targets"jihad style" 200 yrs ago.why havent the Palos attacked Jordan who slaughtered 40,000 of them in ONE month or Syria who murdered 20k in 3 weeks?Why the Us and the west?
Pitttdog 1 year ago
@Pitttdog violent aggression around the world is quite related to US sponsored terrorism, the destruction of infrastructure and schools, interception of food and medicine, the political unrest, the violence affecting every impressionable young person. it's interesting you'd mention the Palestinian-Jordan conflict, the US intervened there specifically to move troops into the West Bank in 1970. you're comparing brief skirmishes to permanent violent colonialism, either disingenuously or naively.
truthslap 1 year ago
@truthslap ANSWER THE QUESTION.DONT SKEW THE TOPIC AND DONT RUN.ANSWER THE QUESTION AND BACK IT WITH FACT & REFERENCE.WERE WAITING.
Pitttdog 1 year ago
@Pitttdog I thought I did address your question, what specifically is your question? Please be SPECIFIC.
truthslap 1 year ago
@Pitttdog question: Why the US and the west? answer: you're comparing brief skirmishes to permanent violent colonialism. that was your question, I answered it.
truthslap 1 year ago
@truthslapno you havent."show me how US foreign policy perpetuated attacks on western& non muslim targets"jihad style" 200 yrs ago"on the barbary coast.the very same mentality and ideology used in attacks against the west now(not to mention other muslim denominations shia,sunni,etc). If you are right then if israel stops settlements & retaliatory military strikes etc-you would have certain peace and not a jewish/israeli holocaust by the muslim arabs.correct?lets hear your answer
Pitttdog 1 year ago
@Pitttdog nowhere in that entire rambling preamble was a question. I think you're purposely being unclear. If the illegal, racist settlement expansion were to stop, along with the blockades and military strikes, there is NO question there'd be considerably more peace along the Gaza Strip. civilians on both sides of the conflict have suggested a strong willingness for peace with a two-state solution.
truthslap 1 year ago
@truthslap-it seems ur having difficulty.Heres the cut & paste AGAIN"show me how US foreign policy perpetuated attacks on western& non muslim targets"jihad style" 200 yrs ago"(on the barbary coast).Again you have skewed the topic.
More peace along the gaza strip?So ALL the rocket attacks,suicide bombings would stop with certainty yeah?By Peace,u also include Hamas's imprisonment & murder of political opponents,nonconforming clerics & muslims & non muslims wouldnt be dhimmis?answer the 1st Q.
Pitttdog 1 year ago
@Pitttdog You are completely incoherent, I think you're honestly being insincere, I've answered your question thoroughly, or at least what part of your incoherent ramblings could be considered a question. I don't know what your real agenda is, but when you're looking for a real answer, you have to put forward a REAL question.
truthslap 1 year ago
@Pitttdog I learned English just five years ago, and I know how to phrase a question. It's for this reason that I can say with near certainty that you purposely being unclear in an attempt to make it look like your questions can't be answered.
truthslap 1 year ago
@truthslap Just as i thought.Cant answer the question or wont bcs it would smash the bullshit theory that you idiot treehuggers have that islamic murder & aggression towards the west is borne of foreign policy & poverty.Do you even know the kuffar attacks on the barbary coast in the1800s?Have u studied the koran,hadith & tafsir & how its infused in arab politics & military?Do u even know the palo intifada,birth of pakistan,kosovo etc stem from tjhe same?no,u dont.so shut it.Cant ID the Q my ass
Pitttdog 1 year ago
@Pitttdog I see something about the Barbary Coast, I have heard about the skirmishes, which seem more like the everyday piracy we see today coming from that coast of Africa, but we hardly call it a war now. Piracy has existed for as long as man has sailed, and you're blaming Arab politics for that? you are a ridiculous, mostly incoherent person, and you obviously have a very low-brow racist agenda.
truthslap 1 year ago
@truthslap dear uneducated moron.U havent answered the question & exposed how little u know of arab/muslim history & culture.Babrary coast'skirmishes' r an extension of the greater jihad(WAR stupid).It ID a definite enemy,and was a focused campaign by a specific group(muslims).War was declared by the US in return.U cannot call anyone stupid with ur pathetic knowledge.How stupid are u? need it translated to another language?give up moron.Cant read,no knowledge-doesnt stop u from barking does it?
Pitttdog 1 year ago
@Pitttdog why can't you at least once use spaces, punctuation, and spelling that makes even alittle sense? why do you go on, when people continually and patiently beg clarification on your incomprehensible ranting, why can't you at least once be clear and present your issue. I've already answered every question I can decipher from your mostly illegible rambling, I don't think we're being educated here, so I'm done.
truthslap 1 year ago
@truthslap for Gods sake dude -just give up
Pitttdog 1 year ago
i don't know whz but chomsky always makes me calm..
bannnjac33 1 year ago
he is not a jew he is a human being... his very existence is an ode to the potentials of humanity
TrueNegro 1 year ago
Ein Bunter Hund
coas21 1 year ago
you mean january 2008???
larrykohling 2 years ago
To hell with Israel
Orgyfan6 2 years ago
Noam, bypassing American/Israeli propaganda.
pigfister 2 years ago
how time quickily passes so quickily; noam is a old man now .. 80 years old
SebastianGeffen 2 years ago
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his opening statement is not true, BULL Israel does not want to kill civilians, first it's repulsive to them, seconded the political blow back, like from this guy, does not help Israel, in fact Hamas want their kids to get killed to make a political point, Israel wants to kill all Hamas fighters, but they hide behind their women and children so guys like Chormskyan can go on and on blah blah.
NiteAngel 2 years ago
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i think he is trying to prove he is not a jew
NiteAngel 2 years ago
Youre probably an israeli agent trying to spread more of your propaganda.
FUCK OFF CUNT !
Bakuninite87 2 years ago 3
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REVOLTING ! thank GOD he is an Old fart and ready to kick the bucket
NiteDigital 2 years ago
you're part of the failed american school system.
MrSuperpunch019 2 years ago
the ASKANAZIM ARE THE REAL TERRORIST. READ THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE BY ARTHUR KOESTLER.
firefox8192 2 years ago
You know I don't quite understand when Obama said America is not fighting with Muslims or Islam. And yet, the bombs and the rockets that the Israelians are using is made and paid by American tax payers. Alqaeda killed 2700 Americans and 300 foriegners on 911, whereas Bush killed far more Muslims than Alqaeda killed in 911. The civilian casualties in Afghanistan is going up by the year, and you are not war with Islam? Someone educate me..
amareto35 2 years ago
true amar....but obama is just another puppet, and so are all the american presidents before and after him.
The american people need to see this and understand that there is something deep deep inside their governments thats controlling them and they need to break free from it
hebz45 2 years ago
@hebz45 what the electorate needs to pull away from is corporate donations and sponsorship. Obama for instance was primarily financed by financial institutions such as goldman sachs and as a requirement of such sponsorship he must now become their representative to justify and payback the financial support. US politicians are corporate puppets and this will never end until corporate sponsorship is ended and all potential representatives are publicly funded to equal the playing field.
Braindrain3 1 year ago
thanks naom, great stuff keep it comin
yoda43 2 years ago 5
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Israel will never go down But if it did you you old fart will go with them trust me, what bull shit even if Israel was evil it would not try to hurt civilians because of the political fall out by bullsahit artisits
GoogleGas 2 years ago
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he dont give a rats ass about the Palestinians he just hats jews
NiteAngel 2 years ago
sigh...he is jewish.
Bliss44 2 years ago 5
Hates Jews? If telling the truth is synonymous with hating Jews, then yes, he does.
cayetanoluis 2 years ago 3
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lol old fart
NiteAngel 2 years ago
Thank you for this vid friend, and to you all, please come see the videos I made in my month long visit to Gaza.
WHYNotNews 2 years ago 3
Thanks Tyler. You are doing great work.
Chomskyan 2 years ago 2
what exactly is PaashRevolutionary complaining about?
I read through his initial comments trying to figure it out, but all I can find is his own ignorance & misunderstandings about what is being discussed.
Arguments further develop from there as he becomes hysterical over peoples replies.
KentAllard 2 years ago
Read his current posts, I find them radical but true and insightful, I must say...
whauffend 2 years ago
nope, still the abuse of facts and hysterical outbursts
KentAllard 2 years ago
Tao Te King states: "What is true doesn't sound pleasing, what sounds pleasing isn't true". Paash' opinion is radical, but I cannot disagree with him, and I know quite a lot... I only think that his stance is uncompromising, and would lead to further suffering and injustice. The Israeli case on the other hand, is historically weak and filled with atrocities such as house demolitions, deterrence (=creating fear), 1500 degrees to-the-bone white phosphor on civilians (=terrorism) and so on...
whauffend 2 years ago
I just watched all episodes with great interest. This man isn't just explaining the Middle East conflict. He's teaching a generation how to perceive and interpret our world correctly and independently - sort of like a good father does. Thank you Noam Chomsky.
6p9 2 years ago 14
Another solution would be that israelis evolve and recognize that the true holy ground of all humans lies in Ethiopia. England can give them fertile land there, and the US can keep on supplying them with nukes and billions of dollars anually (and have bases there). They can build settlements and ruthlessly push ethiopians futher and further out, as they do so cheerfully. Okay, a few stones will be thrown, but with nice use of propaganda, they could call that terrorism.
whauffend 2 years ago 4
Good one !
PaashRevolutionary 2 years ago
Thanks Paash! I read your posts and I believe that a 2-state-solution (pre-67 border) is the only viable option. It seems to be the Jewish opinion that they are wine and the rest of us are mud. Those things lead to exclusivism, separatism and to racist behaviour. If they cling to that belief and deem a rightful return of Palestinians impossible, they should make them a generous offer instead of dumping white phosphor on them. But let's not drive them into the sea, just back into Israel...
whauffend 2 years ago
The only solution is Palestine without Zionist occupation. You didn't dare hinting this solution for South Africa (or may be you did, white and a black South Africa). To achieve this dream, of un-occupied Palestine, if the Zionists need to be kicked out, so be it (like the british from India, like the french from Algeria, like the americans from Vietnam, and no concessions on behalf of their historic victim status, if US/Europe is keen they can have 'em, after all most of them are Europeans).
PaashRevolutionary 2 years ago
I cannot truly disagree with what you say, except that your solution is not the ONLY solution. Remember: we are talking about human life and human rights on both sides. I have trouble with people being kicked, period. I find the Israeli strategy of expulsion and their actions like in Beirut and Gaza dispicable. But that is leadership, not the people. And end to injustice and untruth needs to be enforced. And a nice long trial for Israeli leaders in the The Hague would surely be in place.
whauffend 2 years ago
What happened in Gaza or during Nakba is merely symptomatic of what happens when racially supremacist belief system unleashes its juggernaut on the people. Why should we have sympathy for a Zionist family emigrating from France to the ever-spreading settlements. When the time comes we need to fight for the oppressed and not delving into liberal (soft imperialist) deliberations. It's not the humanity of oppressor that's lost but the imposition of inhumane ideological conditions on the oppressed.
PaashRevolutionary 2 years ago
Again, hard to disagree. Yet you can't kick all Americans out of the states they stole. Same goes for Australia and the Aboriginals. Whatever happens: it needs to be just and human. The legal status: Gaza, West Bank and East Jerusalem are Palestinian AND Palestinians have the right of return to all of the land. So Israel has to back off, return stolen land, open the gates and be humble. Anything else is inhumane and injust. It comes down to the people... and then I saw this: watch?v=Uxt9HwfPwPo
whauffend 2 years ago
@ whauffend -
legality is a concept designed by certain people to serve interest of certain people, very unlike laws of the nature, which apply equally to all. We know that Zionist occupation of Palestine (Israel) was expression of Euro-American anti-semitism imposed on the British occupied Palestine. Any compromise with colonialism and racism is abetment. If the Zionist want to stay in the independent Palestine without their Zionism they should be welcomed.
PaashRevolutionary 2 years ago
The law applies equally too, except for Israel apparently. We are not just anlmals: we can go against nature. That is why the law, especially from the most respected body: the international court of law or the most representative body: the united nations, is needed to settle issues. According to these supreme bodies, the status of the Palestine territories is undisputed and so is their right of return. The votes aren't close calls: the world on one side, Israel and the US on the other side...
whauffend 2 years ago
Great video. A true Jewish man telling it how it really is.
Down with the Israeli Governmnet!!!
Tzimnewman3 2 years ago 2
please israel leave these people alone
lumbeewoman38 2 years ago
20,000 people died did he say?
that's as much who died in the "great terror" after the French revoultion just goes to show you that Israel and America are useing their own great terrror to force the world into submiton
Peadarisback 2 years ago
Terrorism can be defined as "targeting civilians for politial reasons". That is exactly what Israel willingly did in Gaza, with their 'operation Mad Dog', dumping 1500 degrees white phosphor on civilians that were trying to find shelter in a hospital. That is terrorism. Forcing Palestinians to live as prisoners, in constant fear of losing their homes, their country and their loved ones is inhumane. Of all people, Israelis should know better than to create thousands of Palestinian Anne Franks...
whauffend 2 years ago
I completely agree with you...Israel should know better your right their the ones who suffered at the hands of Hitler Anne Frank is a great example to use.
And now their bulding homes on the Palastian border....even worse!
Peadarisback 2 years ago
@ Peadarisback - why should Israel (Zionist Occupation of Palestine/Ziop) know better, it does not represent the oppressed Jews of WW2, it is the oppressor, and an oppressor doesn't has the right to own the legacy of the people who fought against and suffered from the oppression, though the legacy of third reich comes naturally to the Ziop.
PaashRevolutionary 2 years ago
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I don't know how to explain the range of explanations I recieved that were patently set to redirect my inquries from any possiblity of an Israeli vessel on reporters and humanitarian aids workers.
I thought the talk would be a level headed discussion concerning the recent war on Gaza and not a propaganga campaign. I was wrong. It's important to see where information is coming from psychologically.
All truth that grows from hatred and paranoia is lies, or truthiness.
iandetlefsen 2 years ago
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I saw the video regarding the SS Dignity. Later I was listening to Elloit Chodof in a speech that was mostly a fair and balanced rationalization of the demented acts of soldiers shooting fish in a barrel (Gaza). I was struck as when I asked about the ship he immediately and resolutely declared it a hoax. The people gathered around also chimed in with the sigular purpose of drowning me in doubt. When I explained that there was evidence, video evidence, the room became very quiet.
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iandetlefsen 2 years ago
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iandetlefsen 2 years ago
No chance. The Arab world is not interested in a 2 state solution.They want a bigger Palestinian country then the one they already have,namely Jordan.Nothing but total annihilation of Israel.Never mind there English interviews,its what they say in Arabic interviews that is more telling.
woodlock44 2 years ago
Yes, because you speak Arabic.
mmoraln10ion 2 years ago
"The Arab world is not interested in a 2 state solution."
This is simply not true. The position of the Arab League - and it's a position which is also accepted by Iran, Hamas and Hizbollah by the way - is a two-state solution based on the 1967 borders, and normalisation of relations with Israel.
Basically, the Arab world accepts and endorses the international consensus, which has been on the table for some 30 years now.
AloofMicrobe 2 years ago
and the right to return of nearly 2 million so called "Palestinians Arabs" Think you seem to have forgotten that Aloofmicrobe. Normalization is a good one alright.There is nothing normal about the so called relations with the dictator in Egypt. Withdrawal from Gaza is a clear indication of what peace with the terrorist Hamas would be like. They are stopping progress in the region.The Arab league stood shoulder to shoulder with Iraq in 1990. But at least the PLO backed Iraq.
woodlock44 2 years ago 2
You think wrong. If you'd asked me what I thought of the 2 state option 6 months ago I'd have been equivocal and said that I don't like it very much, because there are problems: eg it would legitimise the ethnic cleansing of 1948 for a start - that's a serious problem. But in the absence of any other proposals a botched peace is surely better than no peace at all.
Now though I think even a 2 state settlement is not really an option for the Palestinians.
See next comment...
AloofMicrobe 2 years ago 2
In my opinion there is one possibility, and only one, of a viable, lasting, just peace in the region and that's a single state - a single, democratic, multi-ethnic state that's committed to providing a homeland for ALL of historic Palestine, Jews and Gentiles alike.
AloofMicrobe 2 years ago 3
I like the single state thought. Good thinking outside the box Aloofmicrobe. Bet nobody in the UN or Arab league thought of that.Thats it ,I'm off to the UN HQ.Wheres my plastic folder!!
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PaashRevolutionary 2 years ago
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Hamas is nothing more then a blood thirsty terror organization that butchers its own as well as Israeli citizens.Neither side speaks the truth openly on the media,no matter who the mouth piece is.Palestinian Arabs have been ignored by most Arab states then western states.They should hang there heads in shame.Great that they can blame everything on Israel all the same. Not since the Great Saladin was alive have Arabs had a leader of any standing.But blame that on Israel as well.
woodlock44 2 years ago
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The conflict can end with a two state solution any time the US & Israel accept the two-state solution that the Arab world (including Hamas) agrees on Hamas atrocities nonwithstanding.
baremu 2 years ago
must be why Israeli intelligence loved it so much in the '80s
KentAllard 2 years ago
I find it interesting how he mixes fact with conjecture in an way that makes the conjecture seem like fact, very skilful.
His idea that the severity of various crimes is relative is also odd. For example that Israeli's ramming of a warship is somehow much worse than piracy in Somalia. How does one draw this conclusion?
He is entirely fixated on Israeli actions without consideration of impetus of those actions, obviously totally biased.
stevenaburton 3 years ago
the "dignity" was bringing humanitarian aid to the people in Gaza, it wasn't a 'warship', it's more severe because:
1.the blockade is illegal.
2.that was a ship with doctors and human rights activists bringing aid to civilians.
figlioDiUnaBestia 3 years ago
I don't know if the blockade is illegal by international standards, nor do I particularly care. The blockade is obviously necessary to prevent the smuggling of weapons.
The ship was a loaded with activists intent on making a political point, not delivering aid. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous.
How can the act of preventing a ship from breaking a blockade compare to pirates seizing a ship by force and kidnapping the crew for ransom? The analogy is absurd.
stevenaburton 3 years ago
another great talk by noam chomsky.
and about the comments:
i hate it when people dont differentiate between the israeli government and the other people living there.
i also hate it when people dont differentiate between the hamas and the other people living there.
unfortunately, you see this in the comments of videos like this quite often.
kurtilein3 3 years ago 2
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Another Zionist commenting (sorry criticizing) on the crimes of Zionist colonialism which has been occupying Palestine for the last 60 years and decemating the indigenous people. Chomsky fits perfectly to the definition of his oft repeated word - hypocrite.
For those offended by this - please refer to his comments on Zionism & Jewish homeland in his interview with The Book TV. Also, if you can read and analyse on your own, check out his Zionist past in the official biography by Robert Barsky.
PaashRevolutionary 3 years ago
????????
Even if Chomsky is a hypocrite, does that make his facts wrong? You tell me!
juliaisafilmbuff123 3 years ago
Hi Julia, The question is manifold, yes we must understand what the ralatively objective facts are, in this you are correct that Chomsky does present plethora of facts. But the more fundamental question is of the framework in which these facts are being used i.e. the purpose which dictates the origin and use of these facts. In this Chomsky stands with orthodox Zionists... see the next comment...
PaashRevolutionary 3 years ago
following my last comment.... In this Chomsky stands with orthodox Zionists i.e. he and his ilk would love to talk about atrocities of Israel in Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon, etc. but never for a moment mention 1948 i.e. the colonial origins and nature of Israel. Why ? because then he has to explain why he and his wife went to the Promised Land and worked in the Kibbutz and his persistent defense of Jewish homeland.
PaashRevolutionary 3 years ago
So does this take away from the accuracy of his facts? Do you know everything he says?
juliaisafilmbuff123 3 years ago
Noam Chomsky left Israel. For someone's thinking to change over time is common.
And polling indicates most Palestinians favor a two-state solution.
ptracy4 3 years ago
Please read my previous comments. Chomsky's thinking has not changed, he has remained consistent and true to his orthodox Zionist roots i.e. building homeland for the Jews in the Palestine. He questions and criticises the atrocities of this colonial state, but never the colony itself and the ideology that resulted to it.
Also, please do point us out to which poll are you referring to. Thanks.
PaashRevolutionary 3 years ago
Well, Israel is an established country now, and I agree that what happened to the Palestinians in 1948 was wrong but at the same time I do not think destroying another country (in this case, Israel) will be productive. Instead of fighting for Israel to no longer exist, we should be fighting for justice for the Palestinians and hold Israel accountable for its crimes instead of debating its existence on its legal borders.
juliaisafilmbuff123 3 years ago
British rule in India was an established fact for 190 years, in which it it massacred millions (7 millions between 1943-45 in Bengal), by liberal logic British colonialism in India should've been left alone and the masters urged, pleaded and begged to have some mercy on their black subjects. The statement reeks of eurocentric racism, no? One of the questions that we should be asking is-who established Zionist colony in Palestine and for what purpose? Legality doesn't equate to legitimacy
PaashRevolutionary 3 years ago
Okay, but how do you achieve the goal of wiping Israel from existence when they are already an established country? How do you convince the world community to do so, and even then how do you take action to make sure Israel doesn't exist?
juliaisafilmbuff123 3 years ago
How did people fight Colonialism? How did Chinese, Indians, Africans did it? Persistent, prolonged battle against the colonisers. About the world opinion-if by that we mean western whites' opinion,then historically, except a very tiny minority,most of them were for the civilising colonial rule,it didn't matter then, it won't matter now.If we include the non-white world most of them were & are for freedom of Palestine & end of Zionist colony(doesn't mean killing/ousting Jews living in Palestine).
PaashRevolutionary 3 years ago
Do you think this is possible and the international community would go along with it? Getting rid of colonialism is a very long process, and usually for it to end the colonialists must have their own reasons to leave (like the colony isn't making them any more money). It's not that simple.
juliaisafilmbuff123 3 years ago
Again it depends what we mean by the international community. The process is long but Palestinians will win(all anti-colonial struggles were won by the indigenous populations)unless the Zionists wipe Palestinians out (like European whites did to the indigenous Americans),a tactical fact which Zionists understand quite well.Btw, not a single coloniser went away of her own accord, they were bled and kicked out by the continuous struggles and sacrifices of the oppressed.Decide whose side you're on.
PaashRevolutionary 3 years ago
"all anti-colonial struggles were won by the indigenous populations"
False. Ask any Native American who won. Not saying it's right but us white Europeans clearly won.
1noen1 3 years ago
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PaashRevolutionary 3 years ago
@ 1noen1 - Please read the complete sentence in my previous message - "... (all anti-colonial struggles were won by the indigenous populations)unless the Zionists wipe Palestinians out (like European whites did to the indigenous Americans),a tactical fact which Zionists understand quite well."
PaashRevolutionary 3 years ago
@ juliaisafilmbuff123 - continuing from the previous message - you said "but how do you achieve the goal of wiping Israel from existence when they are already an established country? " Slavery was an established social order, Colonialism was, Imperialist capitalism is, shall we defend them all by the mere fact that they had/have been established? Or your question is more on tactics? If it's latter, I've answered it in the previous reply-persistent & prolonged struggle against the oppressors.
PaashRevolutionary 3 years ago
Noam Chomsky once attended a Zionist youth camp. I don't think you would find him at any similar function now.
Chomsky is a defender of international law and the United Nations as a way of resolving disputes without war. As such he, as do most Palestinians, favors a two-state solution.
The Palestinian polling comes from Near East Consulting and the Jerusalem Media and Communication Center.
4teepee 3 years ago
@ 4teepee - Chomsky did not go to "a" Zionist youth camp, he was actively engaged with many Zionist organisations pre-1948, most prominent of them were Avukah and Hashomer Hatzair, the latter became full blown Zionist political party now called Meretz. Chomsky and his wife went to the Zionist occupied Palestine in 1953 to settle down permanently, but left in few months. In the same year, 1953, another Zionist, named Ariel Sharon, unleashed another massacre on the Palestinian village of Qibya..
PaashRevolutionary 3 years ago
Actually, Noam Chomsky did go to a Zionist youth camp. (By the way, Alan Dershowitz also attended.) And Chomsky went to Israel, then left.
As for the polls, I would have to go with them over your personal opinion.
By the way, what is your solution to the problem?
4teepee 3 years ago
@4teepee- Regarding the surveys, look at their number of correspondents 965 and 1200, & you want to extrapolate these on 11 million Palestinians, half of them living outside Palestine as refugees? Incisive! Even the agency, NEC, that you mention, found, in February 2007 survey, 70.4% palestinians, when given option in survey which was not there in the other ones, supported "a one-state solution in historic Palestine where Muslims, Christians and Jews have equal rights and responsibilities".
PaashRevolutionary 3 years ago
Polling depends on taking samples. Of course, the larger the sample, the smaller the margin of error.
Even Hamas has gotten the message and onboard with a two-state solution.
4teepee 3 years ago
What about the poll, done by the same NEC, where 70.4% of palestinians voted for "a one-state solution in historic Palestine where Muslims, Christians and Jews have equal rights and responsibilities",that doesn't count? What do you mean "even Hamas has gotten the message"? you sound like a Zionist colonialist (may be you are) sending the message to Palestinians - "Get it or else..." Only a colonialist need surveys to question the benefits of its civilising, democratising campaigns. Ask Dubya.
PaashRevolutionary 3 years ago
I guess Hamas is a "Zionist colonialist" operation. Hmm. I do attach more importance to the views of Palestinians who have remained and have to endure the occupation than to those who have left.
If provided with a link to the actual poll you are referencing (not some third party interpretation of it), I will take a look at it.
4teepee 3 years ago
So, given the power, will you bring all Palestinians back to the open-air prisons created by the Zionists? And, why do you need a survey to understand what a people who 've been uprooted, plundered and massacred for the last 60 years, want. The survey in which 70.4% of palestinians voted for "a one-state solution in historic Palestine where Muslims, Christians and Jews have equal rights and responsibilities" is done by the same Near East Consulting, you refer, in Feb 2007. Use google.
PaashRevolutionary 3 years ago
What are the keywords that access the poll's webpage?
The reason for polling is because different people have different attitudes. Furthermore, people can be ready to compromise for less than they would like, in order to at least get something that would improve their lives.
4teepee 3 years ago
@4teepee- continuing from my last reply.. Chomsky mentions his noble intentions for going to Palestine - "Arab-Jewish cooperation within a socialist framework", but never bothers to ask who imposed these "socialist" Kibbutz on the Arabs. Ideologically, how are Chomsky's intentions of spreading libertarian socialist values among the colonised people while representing the colonisers different from Bush's intentions of spreading democracy and freedom among Iraqis? continued....
PaashRevolutionary 3 years ago
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PaashRevolutionary 3 years ago
failed american school system
MrSuperpunch019 2 years ago
a search on chomskyinfor for '1948' has 71 results, without checking every single one I shall look at only the first page: they are all in regards to Israel.
KentAllard 2 years ago
Read "Personal Influences" by Noam Chomsky, in The Chomsky Reader.
You'll see why he went to the Kibbutz. He ended up leaving because of the racism of the institution and the exclusiveness towards non-Jews.
Mechelle68 2 years ago
alright you have alleged 'hypocrite' - now what hypocrisy is taking place here? The mere fact of of your accusation re: Zionist? Well you see there you're a little ignorant - the Zionism followed by Chomsky in his youth was opposed to the creation of a Jewish state, mainstream opinion would now call it anti-Zionist.
KentAllard 2 years ago
Did you bother to cross-reference my comments against Barksy's book and Chomsky's own interview? of course not. if you want to find out the reality of Zionism and Chomsky's relationship with it, please do. Chomsky was involved with orthodox Zionist groups, he moved to Palestine settle down in a Zionist Kibbutz, and more than that he is even now FOR a homeland for Jews (in his own words), if that's not Zionism of Theodor Herzl, pray do instruct us good Sir.
PaashRevolutionary 2 years ago
the Kibbutz he described as rabidly Stalinist even in the middle of the Doctors Plot trials and his wife described as having no concept of women rights outside the kitchen?
The Kibbutz they soon left?
This is your surprise evidence?
KentAllard 2 years ago
How interesting you completely ignored Chomsky's present and past support for Jewish homeland, again if that's not Zionism what is? Do you also support that Jews of the world should have a homeland in Palestine? Merely tagging a racist colony of occupiers- Stalinist - you can't dismiss Chomsky's active involvement however you try and he stayed there for over a YEAR, that's what you call leaving soon? Well, seeing that your and Chomsky's Zionist brothers stayed there for 42yrs, it WAS soon!
PaashRevolutionary 2 years ago
KentAllard - How interesting you completely ignored Chomsky's past & present support for Jewish homeland, again if that's not Zionism what is? Do you also support that Jews of the world should have a homeland in Palestine? Merely tagging a racist colony of occupiers - Stalinist- you can't dismiss Chomsky's active involvement however you try & he stayed there for over a YEAR, that's what you call leaving soon? Well, seeing that your and Chomsky's Zionist brothers stayed over 70yrs, it WAS soon!
PaashRevolutionary 2 years ago
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KentAllard 2 years ago
a search on chomskyinfo for 'jewish state' 'jewish nation' 'jewish homeland' etc finds harsh condemnation of the concept, detailing its racist nature, etc
You say he supports it, yet he compares it to the concept of a christian or white state
KentAllard 2 years ago
KentAllard - Either you're quite dishonest or infatuated with the Chomskyian aura or both. I gave you two prominent references (Barksy's biography based on Chomsky's interviews and interview with the BookTV) in which he admits that he did and still supports the cause of Jewish homeland. Why can't you search for these references; read, watch, analyse and then conclude. Afterall, even Chomsky says in all of his talks - go and check the facts, so go and check the facts.
PaashRevolutionary 2 years ago
I researched it independently!
KentAllard 2 years ago
Give the link of this page to Israael zionist defending idiots!
kraeron 3 years ago 2
This is the real demonstration of Chomsky as an individual. After celebrating his 80th birthday (!!) in early December, he lost his wife of 59 years a couple of weeks later. He could have thrown in the towel, and given up speaking the truth, no one would've criticised him for doing that. However, he continues speaking up for good and real principles, in the belief that those watching might change the world. After ~50 years of being an activist Chomsky just keeps on going. I salute you Chomsky!!
empire161 3 years ago 17
My thoughts exactly. Well said.
Arkinight 3 years ago
i was expecting chomsky to do that, just retire.
spartan2600 3 years ago
So true! I think he's going to keep on going for the rest of his life.
juliaisafilmbuff123 3 years ago
Thank you for helping to get the truth out!
DillonX 3 years ago 2
"the history of the middle east" by christopher catherwood is a great book that has that as a strong part but it is by no means the whole part
robbfuckingflynn 3 years ago 2
*****
ubuibiok 3 years ago
Can anyone recommend some books on about the conflict right now?
wilburnforce 3 years ago 3
for these recent attacks no ,but robert fisk great war for civilization: conquest of the middle east would be the best as far as i know. take it easy.
welshbarbarian 3 years ago
I'm reading the "Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy" by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephan M. Walt. Published late 2007, it provides alot of information and history about the Israel\Palestine conflict. Though (as the name suggests) from a U.S. political perspective.
Cypress77 3 years ago