OK...hmmm...LDR...it may not be exactly "forced" but it's still behind the vertical. And any "classical" dressage rider that agrees with the masters would never do this. Gymnastic exercise or submissive abuse? Just because the horse "can" do this and does it because it knows that if it does, the hand relaxes, is still not right. I know that "several" not mentioning names top riders use this, no offense to anyone. Just a personal opinion.
i was in aachen and in other competitions and guess what...rolkur ldr whatever, the stewards said nothing! in front of everybody.but is a nic video tough...lol
Nothing was accomplished. There were already rules in place agaisnt aggressive riding, all they had to do was uphold them. However, what they have done is approve LDR and define it as a flexion done without force. Well, LDR is the original name of rollkur/hyperflexion. It was created by Sjef Jansseen, it is what Anky ride. Force was never at issue, the posture was. So, in fact the FEI has just APPROVED rollkur in a great display of doublespeak and marketing saavy. We have taken a step backward.
I'm proud to be one of those who signed and staetd that the nature was simply unnacceptable,. Thank you FEI for listening to us and ending this barbaric method of horse riding.,
dear FEI, thank you for doing nothing about horse abuse.
low-deep-and-round is nothing else than rollkur/hyperflexion: the horses head and neck is in a unnatural position wich results in backpain and deprives the horses of air. the judges and stewards who watches brutal riding at warmup areas until now, will let it happen in the future. who deffines where aggressive riding starts? you just provided another grey zone for these riders to get away with bad riding. CONGRATULATIONS!
Well at least they put a stop to Rolkur, imo this is just t he begining, I'm sure with another convincing petition like the one for Rolkur perhaps the decision for low-deep-and-round will be changed as well.
I'm sorry but I heard and understood him to say "low-deep-and-round acheived in a harmonious way is acceptable". I ride the chewy stretchy trot low-deep-and-round allowing my horse to take the reins forward and down alot all over the arena during our rides and he and I absolutely are in perfect balance and harmony. I understood this man to mean this exact thing.
I agree with you about the low and deep part. I ride horses forward downward as well. What I dont understand is the "round" part. Normaly horses don't take this head position voluntarily. If that happens it's a sign, that the horse still needs training because it's not able to carry itself properly. Horses that kreep behind the reins should not be encouraged. I'm just concerned, because rollkur riders could use it as an argument to proceed with hyperflexion.
I think you mean "too round" and "too deep" and yes I agree with you because then it would not be harmonious balance. Too round/too deep (ie head between the knees, chin to chest) is not what I'm talking about nor what the FEI spokesman refers to. A horse moving round exhibits a swing and a lift of their backs which cannot be acheived in Rollkur. That's why we really have to continue the argument because they will ultimately lose.
@4ridersify In Germany nothing has changed. The stewards and judges go temporary blind and continue to kiss the "improtant" riders buts. It's the same with the new medicamtentation rules. Either a horse is healthy and able to compete without drugs, or it's not. How hard can this be?!?
@farbschlacht There are far too many people in this sport with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo for it to change with a few 'new rules'. Just think of the reputations,sponsorship money, etc. etc. that is at risk of being lost if suddenly everyone threw up their hands and said "Wait a minute, this is all going very very wrong!" I have seen this happen in other areas of the horse industry and show world and it always has to get much worse, before it gets better. Sadly.
AT LAST! Now what is needed is that the FEI uphold their ruling that Rollkur and Hyperflexion are achieved by aggressive riding - Yellow and Red cards will be thrown around in huge numbers now - Watch out Anky and Patrik Kittel you may get the first ones!!!!!
Fantastic news. All horses will benefit from this, as riders naturally copy the successful champions they see in competition. I hope the sactions are strict enough and are implemented regardless of the fame of the rider.
Thanks to all those who had the courage to stand up and fight. The significance is huge. Thanks to the FEI for doing the right thing. Now let's focus on soundness. No more toe first landings & hoof pathologies. Vets, farriers, trainers, owners, the information is out there.
I think the key is ALL aggressive riding. It is not just rolkur that is wrong, I think the term "aggressive riding" is much easier to identify and should stop people getting hung up on adjectives. I was pleased to see this video and would really like to shake Gerd's hand to thank him for all he has done to draw this to everyone's attention.
You can get rollkur without low LDR. Rollkur is not the same thing people are sadly confused
JoyfuloneAim 2 days ago
OK...hmmm...LDR...it may not be exactly "forced" but it's still behind the vertical. And any "classical" dressage rider that agrees with the masters would never do this. Gymnastic exercise or submissive abuse? Just because the horse "can" do this and does it because it knows that if it does, the hand relaxes, is still not right. I know that "several" not mentioning names top riders use this, no offense to anyone. Just a personal opinion.
playlayful 4 months ago
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4ridersify 1 year ago
i was in aachen and in other competitions and guess what...rolkur ldr whatever, the stewards said nothing! in front of everybody.but is a nic video tough...lol
xinofonte 1 year ago
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Nothing was accomplished. There were already rules in place agaisnt aggressive riding, all they had to do was uphold them. However, what they have done is approve LDR and define it as a flexion done without force. Well, LDR is the original name of rollkur/hyperflexion. It was created by Sjef Jansseen, it is what Anky ride. Force was never at issue, the posture was. So, in fact the FEI has just APPROVED rollkur in a great display of doublespeak and marketing saavy. We have taken a step backward.
TheProudHorsePR 2 years ago
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TheProudHorsePR 2 years ago
I'm proud to be one of those who signed and staetd that the nature was simply unnacceptable,. Thank you FEI for listening to us and ending this barbaric method of horse riding.,
CrimsonDivine 2 years ago
dear FEI, thank you for doing nothing about horse abuse.
low-deep-and-round is nothing else than rollkur/hyperflexion: the horses head and neck is in a unnatural position wich results in backpain and deprives the horses of air. the judges and stewards who watches brutal riding at warmup areas until now, will let it happen in the future. who deffines where aggressive riding starts? you just provided another grey zone for these riders to get away with bad riding. CONGRATULATIONS!
farbschlacht 2 years ago 11
Well at least they put a stop to Rolkur, imo this is just t he begining, I'm sure with another convincing petition like the one for Rolkur perhaps the decision for low-deep-and-round will be changed as well.
CrimsonDivine 2 years ago
I'm sorry but I heard and understood him to say "low-deep-and-round acheived in a harmonious way is acceptable". I ride the chewy stretchy trot low-deep-and-round allowing my horse to take the reins forward and down alot all over the arena during our rides and he and I absolutely are in perfect balance and harmony. I understood this man to mean this exact thing.
sanchmargar 2 years ago
I agree with you about the low and deep part. I ride horses forward downward as well. What I dont understand is the "round" part. Normaly horses don't take this head position voluntarily. If that happens it's a sign, that the horse still needs training because it's not able to carry itself properly. Horses that kreep behind the reins should not be encouraged. I'm just concerned, because rollkur riders could use it as an argument to proceed with hyperflexion.
farbschlacht 2 years ago
I think you mean "too round" and "too deep" and yes I agree with you because then it would not be harmonious balance. Too round/too deep (ie head between the knees, chin to chest) is not what I'm talking about nor what the FEI spokesman refers to. A horse moving round exhibits a swing and a lift of their backs which cannot be acheived in Rollkur. That's why we really have to continue the argument because they will ultimately lose.
sanchmargar 2 years ago
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4ridersify 9 months ago
@4ridersify In Germany nothing has changed. The stewards and judges go temporary blind and continue to kiss the "improtant" riders buts. It's the same with the new medicamtentation rules. Either a horse is healthy and able to compete without drugs, or it's not. How hard can this be?!?
farbschlacht 9 months ago
@farbschlacht There are far too many people in this sport with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo for it to change with a few 'new rules'. Just think of the reputations,sponsorship money, etc. etc. that is at risk of being lost if suddenly everyone threw up their hands and said "Wait a minute, this is all going very very wrong!" I have seen this happen in other areas of the horse industry and show world and it always has to get much worse, before it gets better. Sadly.
4ridersify 9 months ago
Yes!!! Thank God! This is great news for horses. Now let's see them enforce it!!
Kidshorsinaround 2 years ago
AT LAST! Now what is needed is that the FEI uphold their ruling that Rollkur and Hyperflexion are achieved by aggressive riding - Yellow and Red cards will be thrown around in huge numbers now - Watch out Anky and Patrik Kittel you may get the first ones!!!!!
BanRollkur 2 years ago 8
So - after redefintion low deep and round is allowed and not called Rollkur is not allowed.
although it probably looks the same in the end wtf
equusSF 2 years ago
Fantastic news. All horses will benefit from this, as riders naturally copy the successful champions they see in competition. I hope the sactions are strict enough and are implemented regardless of the fame of the rider.
Jacqfox1 2 years ago
we should develop HAH, High arched and hollow, same theory, make the horse sore that when they are in the vertical they are at ease
cowpokies 2 years ago
the TV monitors are a positive sign
SHOJMPR42 2 years ago 3
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SHOJMPR42 2 years ago
Is backwards use of the hands to obtain or sustain LDR and closed considered aggressive use of the hands?
cadenced 2 years ago
Thanks to all those who had the courage to stand up and fight. The significance is huge. Thanks to the FEI for doing the right thing. Now let's focus on soundness. No more toe first landings & hoof pathologies. Vets, farriers, trainers, owners, the information is out there.
WTP7 2 years ago 3
I think the key is ALL aggressive riding. It is not just rolkur that is wrong, I think the term "aggressive riding" is much easier to identify and should stop people getting hung up on adjectives. I was pleased to see this video and would really like to shake Gerd's hand to thank him for all he has done to draw this to everyone's attention.
keyses 2 years ago 2
finally!
thebluebot 2 years ago
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WTP7 2 years ago