JFK Part 4: Mysterious Death of Number 35 | Widescreen

[wunderdoggy]

great job, but this seems to be the only place I have encountered this autopsy photo as it doesn't seem to be part of the canon of autopsy photos. Any reason for this.

[cunnidvd]

clear as mud despite your soothing music. sounds like you are identifying an entrance wound in the back of the skull and you're also claiming the beveled exit wound is in the back of the skull. Exactly what is your theory of the trajectory? Are you saying there were two head shots. what were there trajectories? Why not use a cartoon to make your interpretation intelligible?

[PatSpeer]

I'm not saying anything, I'm showing what's there. There is an entrance low on the back of the head and beveled bone suggesting an exit high on the back of the head. My thoughts about this are explained in more detail in the book on my webpage.

[huskyjerk]

There is no Part 5 !!! This is outrageous !!!

[LCDragonrats]

@autoad, hes definitely alot more crediable than you! Get lost!!

[autoad]

Who in the hell is Pat Speer? What's his background? What are his credentials?

This clown has no idea what he's talking about. He has no medical training. He has no forensic training either. He's a conspiracy hack trying to make a buck at the expense of truth.

[jfiles0000000]

@autoad That's right! Who the hell is Pat Speer to tell us faceless, Lone Nut sheeple asshole, coward trolls anything about truth!

The "official" report on the matter is that between your credentials and those of my beloved Tommy "Schicklgruber" Lowry (cddraftsman, Auther1046, fbijgarHoover, and 10,000 other sock puppet aliases), collectively you're just about worthy to eat the corn out of Pat Speer's shit!

VISIT MY CHANNEL and learn more about MY "background" and our family reunion video!

[autoad]

@jfiles0000000 Insults, swearing, cursing, ranting, vile personal attacks...does this represent your best?? I will visit your My Channel. I can only imagine the surprises that await.

[autoad]

@jfiles0000000

You left me out of your family gathering! I was looking for my name and alas, it wasn't there.

So sad.

[jfiles0000000]

@autoad You're not looking close enough. Somehow I'm not surprised at your lack of deductive reasoning skills.

[autoad]

@jfiles0000000 "Deductive reasoning"??

You don't know what the expression means.

[auther1046]

@autoad jfiles0000000 is Communist Daryl M. Carstensen of N. Hollyweird.

~ Notice how he squack puppets the Cold War KGB line of Moscow

~ He believes JFK was killed by many different ppl, ways, and entities ALL AT THE SAME TIME !

He's definately delusional

[newfypearl]

Very well presented.

[StinaPrep]

i don't buy it

[randallbynum]

why would tou let the goverment get away with this. most of the comments I have read the people are not old enough to remember

[randallbynum]

I did not like the one shot you did of President Kennedy of his speach of what can you do for your country

[klnine]

what crap photo's anyone leaving it so mysterious these days would be in court !

[klnine]

@klnine they would have been back then , if the people had any say ! Think about it . Why is no one in court on 9/11 ?

[Obelisk2290]

it was lho all along over 46 years later CT still dont have a shred of evidence, what does that tell you

[klnine]

@Obelisk2290 the evidence was all presented within 12 months, and is still there !

Nothing has changed ! Turkey shoot !

[salmanyafiz]

thumbs up if you think Illuminati killid Kennedy!

[funkmasterjee]

WHERE is part five of this series ????

[jackamo23]

(from comment below) ..that there had been a shot fired from a different position than 6th floor window and that a further shot had been fired from the front or side (as the Zapruder film shows his head going backwards). The point is that those engaged in the cover-up do not care that their convoluted explanations do not stand up to scrutiny, they know that they will be accepted by enough people simply because they are the voice of the "official version". Watch 'Evidence Of Revision' on Youtube

[cdddraftsman]

@jackamo23 "(as the Zapruder film shows his head going backwards)"

WRONG ! JFK's head goes forwards about 2-3" first , all fragments found in forward compartmenets of limo ..... Slam Dunk Shot From Behind MOMO !

[obben99]

@cdddraftsman -Nevertheless it all comes down to the magical bullet.So you think a highpower riflebullet stops in midair for 1,6 sec,makes uturns then stops again for 1 sec in midair causing 7 different wounds including crushing some bones just to be found at parkland next to kennedy in pristine condition not a scratch.

[GOODY61]

@obben99 This is the biggest distortion of truth the JFK conspiracy buffs put out there and one I believed at one time. The Oliver Stone film and Jim Garrision misrepresented the positions of Kennedy and Connelly inside the car. The so called magic bullet did traveled a straight line and the wounds inflicted upon both men prove that point. Also another distortion that the bullet was in pristine condition. It was signficantly flattened on one end and much of the interior metal was missing.

[jackamo23]

I have had a long time interest in the Kennedy assassination, read many books and viewed countless films & I can honestly say this has been the most clear and concise exposition of the autopsy aspect of the case. Multiple evidential trajectories all lead to the conclusion that there was a clear misrepresentation & cover-up over the original autopsy reports and there had to be because otherwise the entire official narrative would unwind as the real bullet trajectory & frontal wound would prove.

[MickDylan28]

close docterdon, the 1st hit him in the throat, the 2nd hit connaly and the 3rd hit JFK in the head. watch the Zapruder film another couple hundred times u will see lol. I also think its possible there was a 4th shot that hit Kennedy in the head almost at the exact moment of the shot from the grassy knoll..this shot possibly coming from the DalTex building just across the street from the Depository on Houston Street

[DOCTERDON69]

Ii believe the first shot hit him in the throat form the front and the second shot hit him on the forehead and the 3rd shotgot connelly

[TrueNovice]

You could be correct but it's very hard to orient these photos. In a normal autopsy when photos are taken of the skull, is it normally this difficult. Have an pathologists commented on this?

[PatSpeer]

Have any pathologists commented on the video? No. I've tried to alert Cyril Wecht, among others, and have even spoken at conferences where he spoke. But he has never commented on it. I'm pretty sure he doesn't want to add to his friend Baden's embarrassment by publicly acknowledging that Baden couldn't orient the photo, and presented it --according to his own interpretation--upside down. (See part 1 of the series.).

[TrueNovice]

@PatSpeer There have been a couple of medical doctors who have looked at the autopsy photos and X-Rays and expressed doubts about them. Dr. Mantik and Dr, Gary Aguilar come to mind, but they are not forensic pathologists.How small is the forensic pathologist community anyway in the United States. Does everyone know each other? Is there that much log rollling?

[MickDylan28]

@PatSpeer would just like to say that this is an incredible film u put together. It actually shows wounds that are more in relation to whats been said these many years from witnesses. The original autopsy hid this interpretation of the wound for a reason. Cos they KNEW it pointed to a shot from the front or perhaps 2 impacting simultaneously.

[estelle715]

With all the money and resources and influence why didn't the Kennedy family hire their own experts to investigate the assassination? If they did why didn't we hear about it? If they truly believed he was killed by the Govt. or whatever I don;t think the family would have stayed mute on this all these yrs. They would want vengeance!

[TrueNovice]

@estelle715 Bobby Kennedy ran in 1968. According to "Brothers" he was going to re-open the investigation. The Kennedy's are obviously not as powerful as you think they are or were.

[estelle715]

You are right,I guess! It's still a shame not to know the true events.The Kennedy's father sure thought they were powerful and rich enough.Somme ppl. think he "bought" the election for his son,w/help from the mob.I was fortunate to see Kennedy in 1960 and heard his speech,so I'm glad about that,Sadly,well never know!,

[TrueNovice]

@estelle715 If JFK bought the election with Mafia help, or was aware of it, the behavior of his brother Robert the Attorney General, in prosecuting mafia figures, often for the first time, was bizarre. But maybe it was courageous.

[cdddraftsman]

Oh Christ Pat Speer confuses himself more than anyone he trys to hoax by his silly assertions !

He couldn't find water even if he fell out of a boat .

[OneVoiceMore]

@cdddraftsman You're still an idiot, and I find everything you say suspect. You insult people, but you don't actually discuss rationally. You're just part of the white noise of flatline responses from people who are actively TRYING to make sure that the lies are perpetuated.

The decline of this nation since '63 are manifest in your moronic responses.

[cdddraftsman]

The Great JFK Assassination Hoaxing of America is FINISHED ! The decline of America didn't occur after JFK was shot, it happened when America voted him into office. JFK WAS A PIECE OF SHIT SIMILAR TO THE PEOPLE WHO DEFEND THAT SHIT AND LEE OSWALD WHO WE SHOULD REMEMBER TOOK OUT THAT GARBAGE ! THANKS LEE !

[OneVoiceMore]

@cdddraftsman Your remarks get removed all over YouTube. Not because of their innate truth, but because you are clearly an idiot. Not JUST an idiot, but a SPECTACULAR idiot, who embraces his stupidity as a virtue, and giggles every time someone responds. I truly, TRULY, feel sorry for you.

But more for those around you.

[obben99]

@cdddraftsman -And they came nixon(after lyndon then)And he proved to be a honest and good man you think because if kennedy did not win nixon would.I take it you think George Bush was a good president to

[cdddraftsman]

@obben99 "And they came nixon"

Now yer talken, first class politician and National leader. Turned the two top Communist powers in the world against each other, opened the door to China, redressed JFK's disasterous decision to put 16,000 troops into VN, assassinate Diem and thusly guaranteeing instability and LBJ having to tell Gen. Westmooreland : "I want you to go over thar, get the coon skin hat, come back and nail it to the wall" .... 50,000 Lives Later .... It's Still JFK's Fault!

[cdddraftsman]

@obben99 "if kennedy did not win nixon would"

Look no mans an island, JFK like all politicians needed a lot of help. After the election, Nixon and Kennedy met in Key Biscayne, Florida, where Kennedy offered Nixon a job in his administration, an offer which Nixon gracefully declined. A. Stevensen, former bitter rival, did accept and performed the feat of a lifetime when he clobbered Dobrynin at the UN during the CMC.

[cdddraftsman]

@obben99 "I take it you think GWB was a good president to" [sic. "too"]

Unless it can be proven that slow witted George and his equally slow witted cronies planned 9/11, and that he got the CIA to alter the weather to cause Katrina (both = over 1 Trillion sucked out of the economy) I'd say the 'Bush Doctrine' of containment of Islamic Terrorist now bottled up is the about the best we could of hoped for from a man who was damaged goods due to 'obsessive compulsive behavior' patterns.

[bldtraffic]

Nice Job, NoisiVision crew.

[cdddraftsman]

And whats your agenda ?

For the older generation , LBJ in the 60's killed JFK because of the unpopular

Vietnam War which makes him much despised , were as today for the upstart

and positioning to be a wannabe conspiracist , there is hatred pointed at

GHWB for killing JFK because of his sons starting the equally unpopular

Iraq War . Which proves a important point , there's nothing like

good old fashioned hatred based upon 'gossip' and 'rumor mongering' to

bring a family together .

[TrueNovice]

@cdddraftsman Johnson first told his aides that he thought that Castro killed JFK. But later said Cartha DeLoach that he believed the CIA was responsible. DeLoach recorded this all in his memo to his boss J Edgar Hoover. They theory is that because he feared for his life, that he would wind up like JFK, if he did otherwise, LBJ expanded the Vietnam war despite his own doubts about it.

[Giverney13]

Not every one who is older is blighted. I am from the 50s and I see the real conspiracy and the ruse of the Warren commission as much as 911-

Agenda 21...is very real and Nanny world is too-let us look to the past to see WHICH faces keep pOpping up-even hidden in TX...yes, it is time those who consented to lie are known-I do not consent to FRAUD or any laws brought about BY FRAUD-they are ILLEGAL.

[acpren]

Looking at the hole in the table around 6:04 I also feel I am looking at the tip of his nose and the side of his mouth, which would mean to me he was in a prone position, would it not? A body in rogor mortis cannot be positioned easily on the side, I would think. I'm still bothered by the fact that that GHB was the head of the CIA. What have the Bushes wrought in their lifetime?

[cdddraftsman]

How 'conspiracy' apologists convince their dimwitted readers : Conspiracy of deceit ! : *Sell emotion1st *Scare the reader away from primary doc's *Distort evidence *Emphasize eyewitness testimony *Emphasize unsworn witnesses *Raise non-essential issues *Omit the complete context of the evidence *Promote yourself to expert *Don't solicit the other side of the story *Accuse the defenseless *Emphasize preliminary information *Recycle discredited evidence over and over again.

[cdddraftsman]

Here's something fer yer young wipper snapper :

You're living proof that you can't fix stupid .

[cdddraftsman]

Are you related to 'Shitting Bull' ?

Just curious .

[jassy345]

cia-johnson killed jfk..their the only one who could cover-it-up oswald was just a pawn..why dont they fess up to it...

[cdddraftsman]

It took 4 full length DVD's to tell us that even experts can disagree on the nature of the wounds ?

That the WCR was not admissible in the Clay Shaw trial because it was a USG Report :

Contains innuendo , contradictions and hearsay evidence for a contemporenous record of the events that unfolded .

A 3rd grader could fashion a conspiracy out of that .

Seems Pat Speer is stabbing at ghosts .

[FGTFJT]

A 3rd grader ??? hmm . Seems you took the time to Watch a 3rd Grader DVD...come on man. you dig yourself in a whole every time you attempt to make a remedial , unintelligent , naive comment about every video that debunks all Lone Gunman Theory's.

let me ask you this cddraftsman. I take it you were born before the late 60's...am I correct?

[cdddraftsman]

Born : Early fifty's .

Your "remedial , unintelligent , naive comments"

about all my excellent debunking of conspiracy theories has been duly noted .

[FGTFJT]

i was correct. i knew you were. you were born in the days ,were you believed everything the government told you was the truth. you are too old and dumb to every change the way you think or see things as they happen. dont beieve everything you hear and see.

by the way your comments are weak and have no ground.

why dont you go back to sleep and watch Wheel of Fortune.

[FGTFJT]

here you gold Sr...something for that old brain to think about.

The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.

Thomas Jefferson

[Exiles800]

Seems like a skull expert should be able to give you precise landmarks on that skull in the photo. If it is an exit hole it is in the right place for the rear of the head exit wound seen at Parkland.

[univibe23]

HEY FOOL damn jackass. No wonder you thought the "official" story moved 4 inches in 1968. the autopsy doctors official reports something else that is just plain retarded damn jackass You cna't put a shine on a turd.

[PatSpeer]

univibe, or should I say onion, are you acknowledging that Kennedy's autopsy was a travesty, and that the conclusions of the Warren Commission, which were based on this autopsy, were in error? Just what are you saying?

[univibe23]

Calm down. I agree with you! The autopsy-the Whole investigation-was a travesty. However, after reading some of the responses to your excellent video, I had to make a montage of the idiocy--couldn't help myselfwolf, wolf :)

[rnmark2go]

Nice series. I noticed your first part dowloaded a lot slower. What did you change and what was the software you used to produce this? Nicely done!!

[Sueezedtight]

Hopefully part V is on the way. All that great investigative information on your site can be presented in this format.

It is obvious that the official interpretation of the photos was designed to fit the story that was supposed to be told and not what the evidence was showing.

Even 46 years later, it scares them to know that the truth will out.

[MILISA99]

I was 13 when this happened. I have read every book I could find on the subject. Now it is on You Tube. There are many conspiracy theories and some make valid points. But after all these years I have not seen irrefutable evidence that explains what happened that day. Fuzzy photos and movies, inaccurate drawings by doctors, strange discoveries of bullets: the list goes on and on. What I know for certain is that JFK was shot. Beyond that I am not really sure of anything else regarding this.

[datzfast]

what your sure of is a murder. but the murder of an extaordinary human. the fact that the account of murder of this man could be confusing point to the conclusion that it was more than murder.

there is no way anyone sould have been able to shoot this man because he was a protected man. LOL actually the murder happened long before he was shot,

[Onionsayswhat]

this dude is just plain foolish or stupid or both. You can clearly see half of the bullet hole - this ws point of entry in BACK of the head and it cracked the head just like an eggshell. Imaging shooting an eggshell from the back - OF COURSE IT WWOULD SPLIT THE SHELL APART and that is what he is seeing in the back the gaping hole is the bullet impacting the skull in the back and SPLINTERING off a big chunk. but that doesn't mean he was shot from the front.

[dougalmac54]

If what you say is accurate, then the bullet, enteing from an angle high ABOVE the president would not blow the front of his skull out, but more likely the lower jaw-yet your theory doesn't account for this. The point of entry suggests a low angle trajectory from behind and slightly to the left. This all asumes the photo is an ACTUAL autopsy photo taken at Kennedy's autopsy-and all the evidence from that procedure shows that it was handled improperly by a doctor with little autopsy experience.

[Onionsayswhat]

doug- have you been to dealy plaza? I have and I looked out the window next to sniper's nest window (sniper's window is enclosed in plexiglass cage). I stood in street on spot where car was when fatal shot struck. Two questions - was the car on level ground? and Was kennedy's head bent downwards looking at floor of car? Please answer these questions. Also eyewitness SAW the gun being pulled on from sixth floor so what is your explanation for that?

[Onionsayswhat]

slightly to the left is wrong EVEN IF kennedy's head was postioned looking STRAIGHT if u study frame 312 of Zapruder u will see kennedy's head was turned and he was leaning to his LEFT when the bullet struck. Also - imagine shooting an eggshell from the back - it would fragment the shell in many pieces. If you have seen any drawings of kennedy's skull and how it broke apart - you would know that a large chunk extending from the back to front broke off. not very smart thinking on your part doug

[Onionsayswhat]

u are not very intelligent. FIrst off - the limo was headed DOWN HILL - how clueless are you to not take that into account? Secondly - JFK was BENT OVER. THIRDLY - he was looking at the floor of the limo so why would you be so unintelligent to NOT account for that? he was looking down - he was hunched over and the limo was going DOWNHILL. the bullet path lines up PERFECTLY. regarding the hole in the back of the head - it was there it also had a beveling proving bullet entered from back

[PatSpeer]

onionsays, LNs can't even decide the location of the wound on the back of JFK's head--so how can you say the wounds line up perfectly? Particularly when the trajectory of neither of the two suspected entrance locations line up with the sniper's nest? Where do you get this stuff?

[Onionsayswhat]

that;s just plain wrong you idiot. the bullet holes were clearly visible THEY HAVE PICTURES OF THEM YOU DAMN FOOL AND THE BULLET HOLES ARE CLEARLY VISIBLE. People please disregard this fool - his "information" isn't worth a nickel and is always blatantly wrong. he's EXTREMELY unknowledgable . A 4 yr old knows mroe and has more common sense then this jackass

[PatSpeer]

onion, you're embarrassing yourself. Watch the freaking videos. Read my webpage. Read the official reports. The entrance wound on the back of JFK's head was moved 4 inches in 1968 by a panel of "experts". This re-interpretation was embraced by subsequent panels, but dismissed by the autopsy doctors. This means the "official" story is that the autopsy doctors were incompetent. Read up. You'll see that I'm right.

[Onionsayswhat]

you are the biggest buffoon going. Read your webpage? yea if i cared about wacko, moonbat, loony interpretation yes but I don't so sorry - why woud I read a bunch of trash by some quack jackass? I HAVER READ THE OFFICIAL REPORTS that's how I know you are full of shit and a joke. NOBODY takes you serious we all LAUGH at you. You cna't put a shine on a turd. I am well aware of all of the controversies why I have FORGOTTEN more than you know. YOU NEED TO READ UP YOU WILL SEE I AM 100% RIGHT!

[PatSpeer]

onion, go back under your rock. I thought that perhaps you were seriously interested in the truth. Your asserting that you've read the official reports while failing to realize the entrance location for the head wound moved is proof you have no clue and are just trying to insult those who do. You say you've forgotten more than I know. I suspect you're right . You certainly don't know bupkus now.

[Onionsayswhat]

PatSpeer - go back under YOUR rock. I thought perhaps you were seriously interested in the truth. I know I am but any information from you is patently wrong as you are the single most mis-informed person I have ever come across. Wrong information, wrong analysis, wrong conclusions, ridiculous made-up points I mean you are just a laughing stock. You shouldnt even be allowed to post as there is nothing you know that is accurate although it is comical. there were bullet holes in the skull moron.

[PatSpeer]

Watch the videos again. Virtually every point is supported by official documents. The fact you find them so upsetting and think I've made stuff up, I suppose, can be taken as an acknowledgment that the videos are ground-breaking. Thank you for your back-handed compliment.

[Onionsayswhat]

HEY FOOL just cause someone makes a vidieo doesn't mean it's true you damn jackass. the fact that you are sooo dopey that you think so speaks VOLUMES about you. No wonder your thought process is so messed up - anything you see or read you believe. I guess you believe all of the stuff in tmwkk too. what an idiot. everyone knows there's loads of errors and untruths in that vid too. So then if I mAKE a vid then you will beleive that too I guess. how silly how very very silly

[datzfast]

try to stay focused. that may be hard for you. you are attacking a person when a really you want to attact that persons message,. you cant do that is the message is true.

so your stuck attacking the person. LOL

this clearly shows you are unprepared to debate anything. you probably have been lied to much of your life without knowing it.

[Onionsayswhat]

is this your vid? it's NOT ground breaking it's just garbage. annoying? annoying cause what you say is WRONG. if someone is annoyed cause you are giving erroneous info it IS NOT a compliment

[Onionsayswhat]

something else that is just plain retarded is you say everything is supported by "official documents". Uh Pat MANY OF THE OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG. UH WARREN REPORT WAS AN OFFICIAL DOCUMENT TOO TOM AND EVERYONE KNOWS THAT IT IS GARBAGE. Referring to "official documents" is just stupid and comical. I mean so what?

[PatSpeer]

Wait. You're attacking me for questioning the official dogma that Oswald acted alone, while simultaneously acknowledging the Warren Report is garbage? Just what do you believe happened?

As far as my being "WRONG", please clarify. Just what in the vids is "WRONG"? That Baden testified with his exhibit upside down? Sorry charlie, all the top LNs have come to agree with me on that one.

[antwan37]

You are the idiot, pal, not Pat Spear.

[Onionsayswhat]

so let me get this straight. Your information is supported by "official documents" many of which have been proven wrong? roflmao great!!! brilliant!!

[FGTFJT]

your agruements make no sense

[Onionsayswhat]

uh one problem with his theory THE ZAPRUDER FILM CLEARLY SHOWS THE FRONT SIDE OF KENNEDY'S HEAD BEING BLOWN OUT IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE I mean can't this dude even think that Zapruder proves him wrong? also the bullet hole or half of it is CLEARLY visible much further up and you can see that it cracked kennedy's head just like an egg shell and that it blew off not only the side but split the skull apart at the point of impact. and his point about the "furrow" bullet path is just wrong.

[Sueezedtight]

Sadly, Zionists, Commies, Birchers etc. etc. etc. are all based on fear and hate.

The swirling miasma of international intrigue that existed in the early 60's as a result of the end of WWII and the start of the cold war brought out the worst in those ensconced in the seats of power.

It is clear that JFK flaunted his power and felt himself beyond their reach. He was wrong but we don't have to be. Awareness is the key and striving to go in the other direction is paramount.

The truth will out.

[Onionsayswhat]

you are a complete idiot

[Onionsayswhat]

you are a complete idiot

[Sueezedtight]

I yield to the hysterically repetitive "gentleman" from the land of cccdraftsman. I guess cloning HAS been perfected.

[TheRamJam]

I kinda like Obama and he had better watch out for that zionist Biden who could be a repeat of how the Israeli jews had JFK killed because he wouldn't allow Israel to have nuclear weapons which was the same policy as Eisenhower. Once that paid stooge of the jews LBJ was put into the presidency the jews then got their nuclear weapons along with every single thing they wanted. Read all about the 1952 assassination attempt of Konrad Adenauer by Israeli jews led by Menachim Begin. Jews admit it.

[PatSpeer]

While LBJ may have been more sympathetic to Israel than JFK, there is no reason to believe Israel felt so threatened by JFK that they would risk the future of their country by having him killed. As a result, I think we can all assume that those claiming JFK was killed by Israel are merely pushing their own hatred of Israel.

A FAR more likely scenario, IMO, is that an anti-Jewish group was involved, and that Jews like Ruby and Weissman were used by these men for a purpose.

[TheRamJam]

Like I said, just read about the Israeli jews who tried to kill Konrad Adenauer in 1952. The Talmud tells the jews that it is their duty to kill the greatest of the gentiles. You are very naive about the world which you inhabit.

[PatSpeer]

Ram, your response proves my point. Rather than acknowledging that there were right wing organizations, e.g. the John Birch Society, the KKK, the Minutemen, with as much or more reason to kill Kennedy as Israeli intelligence, and FAR MORE access to the Dallas Police, you insist that I am naive. This proves your pre-disposition towards Israel. You seem to think if it's POSSIBLE Israel was involved, then it must be true. Why?

[TheRamJam]

And Israel was innocent of the murderous attack on the USS Liberty and was innocent in The Lavon Affair and was innocent of the King David Hotel bombing also, right? It probably only took the murdering jews around 8 minutes to brainwash a total idiot like you.

[PatSpeer]

Sorry, Ramjam, you're embarrassing yourself. I am totally open-minded about Israeli involvement. I just fail to understand why they should be moved to the TOP of the list of suspects. By your use of the term "murdering Jews" you show why you believe they were involved, but why should any rational non-hater believe Israel is the #1 suspect? Don't you realize that by pushing the "Jews did it" you are distracting from the search by honest researchers as to who really did it? Or is this all a joke?

[TheRamJam]

Shows how jews are able to brainwash all the idiots of the world when they can kill JFK, blow up King David Hotel, strife the USS Liberty, carry out The Lavon Affair, try to kill Konrad Adenauer and have the morons of the world still ask, is this a joke?

[dougalmac54]

"jews" and "all the idiots"-nothing more than ad hominem attacks which PROVE nothing-show us the evidence or shut up! Ad I am well aware of Israel's guilt regarding the USS Liberty....

[Onionsayswhat]

roflmao you are hysterically stupid. We are all laughing at you. Better to not post and make a fool out of yourself. that's a new one - the JEWS DID IT!!! OMG why not blame the jews they get blamed for everything. ONLY A JACKASS would make such a comical statement. you need to have SOME evidence - what is your evidence or are you just a fool posting things when there is no evidence?

[Onionsayswhat]

what is the evidence? Just state a couple of sentences on EVIDENCE OK EVIDENCE. not conjecture not some made up bs BUT EVIDENCE OK? do you understand - you can't just make blatant statements WITHOUT supporting EVIDENCE. I have NEVER seen ANY evidence that jews did it. EVIDENCE: 3 witnesses testified they were on 5th floor DIRECTLY below snipers nest, they heard 3 SHOTS DIRECTLY above them, 3 shell casing fall to the floor, holes in skull prove shot from back due to beveling.

[PatSpeer]

Fact: of the the three witnesses mentioned by onion, one heard only two shots and another thought the shots came from below. Only one heard shell casings fall on the floor above, and his words indicate he only heard two fall to the floor.

[Onionsayswhat]

this is blatantly incorrect. You really need to start over and educate yourself. None-the-less by your own admission one person heards shots above and one heard the shell casings AS WELL as the shots. So you quivel over only 2 shell casings heard by the one witness? what a fucking idiot THAT'S PROOF. I guess you want it wrapped in a ribbon and to sit on you - you fucking idiot - I guess if every case had to live up to your ridiculous standard of proof then everyone would always b innocent

[Onionsayswhat]

glad you ran right out and googled all of my evidence and read up like a mad man but you didn't read well. so what is your stupid point? that two witnesses hearing shots above and one hearing 2 instead of 3 shell casings isn't GREAT evidence? I mean you state it HAPPPEND but like the fucking first rate fucking idiot you are I guess you are suggesting hearing 2 casings instead of 3 fall somehow lessens the evidence? what an idiot THAT'S AWESOME EVIDENCE YOU DAMN FOOL

[Onionsayswhat]

furthermore - Oswald was SEEN firing the last shot by a witness on the street ok? Oswald was identified by 11 witnesses as being the person who shot tippet, are you aware 2 bullet fragments found in FRONT of limo were MATCHED to oswalds rifle, Oswalds rifle on 6th floor, brown paper wrapping that he said contained "curtains" found on 6th floor, oswald fled the scene, killed tippet, fibers from his shirt matched fibers stuck to butt plate of rile, OK? THAT'S EVIDENCE WHAT'S YOUR EVIDENCE?

[PatSpeer]

Facts: the "witness" claiming to see Oswald fire the shots refused to ID him, and only did so after Oswald was dead and the Secret Service talked him into it. The 11 witness claim is nonsense. The brown paper placed into evidence was never linked to Oswald's rifle, and was not identified as the package he said contained curtain rods. Even worse, the fibers found on the rifle were linked to a shirt that Oswald almost certainly did not wear to work that day. Read up.

[Onionsayswhat]

You have a LOT to learn. You really need to read up and educate yourself as you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground are extremely gullible and naive. Like a dopt you believe anything you read. So the witness DID identify Oswald so what is your point? I was RIGHT. You damn fool - I will post the 11 witnesses- you can't debate that you fool. I see you say Nonsense AND THEN no proof, no evidence lol!, Yea just a coincidence Oswald had "curtain rods" that mornig, his gun was

[Onionsayswhat]

big coincidence Oswald carried "curtain rods" into tsbd in brown paper but THeRE WERE NO CURTAIN RODS FOUND but the paper was found and his rifle was there but wait - HIS ROOMING HOUSE ALREADY HAD CURTAINS. What an idiot so yea - the paper was found but you're so stupid and unintelligent you can't put 2 and 2 together. I guess you want some video or something but then you would still doubt it. IDIOT SHIT FOR BRAINS MORON. The fibers matched the shirt oswald wore that day.

[PatSpeer]

I deal with most of these issues on my webpage. The fibers were matched to the rifle BEFORE the FBI found out Oswald said he'd changed his shirt. The FBI then begged everyone who saw Oswald on the 22nd to confirm he wore that shirt to work--and found one witness--who didn't even see him at work--.someone who'd briefly seen him on the bus, to confirm he wore the shirt. Read the testimony of Mary Bledsoe. It's a joke. Not even Bugliosi believes her.

[NeilCrouse]

Inspiring, good job

[Sueezedtight]

Analysis is a function of intelligence, persistence and accuracy.

One need only watch things like "JFK: Inside the target car" to see how agendas can be supported by inaccurate and misleading statements that may even be in obvious disagreement with the facts presented.

Good work, so far, Pat.

Looking forward to part five.

As far as the PTB are concerned, any that refuse to observe impartially and discuss intelligently may be considered to be aiding and abetting rather than elucidating.

[mufferlawjoe]

There's no doubt, there are lots of unaswered questions. No matter what side you're on.

[cdddraftsman]

To be fair to Pat & Co. .... excellent graphic's !

[eljamiro]

lost for words,watch,listen and you may learn the truth cd.i hope you watched part three,even members of your beloved warren commision cant agree,have changed thier view,by the way,pat speer has done his homework,unlike some i wont mention here "lol,it hurts doesnt it cd,its ok ,we know you dont have to have a long neck to be a goose.enjoy.

[audiophile55]

And your credentials in forensics and ballistics is what...?

[Sueezedtight]

Take a good look at Pat's website.

Home-schooling is alive and well and Pat has done his homework.

[VinnyVoom444]

The SBT is a fraud based upon drawings and conjecture, not X-Rays, photos, or the FBI's report. Charlatan Arlen Specter is confronted here...

watch?v=aS3zrdkoCdY

Dale Myers bullshit propoganda cartoon is as valid for forensic science as Elmer Fudd is an authority on rabbit hunting, and Popeye is for the health benefits of spinach. He and the Discovery Channel are exposed here:

watch?v=tjcLtPsOML8

watch?v=eTZl1pqryBo

watch?v=UMiDLIW0wqI

As for cddickless, Google "Tom Lowery JFK"