1 Bach B Min Mass Kyrie eleison

[joshuadaando]

i love bach!

and i love mozart too!

<3

[metalicdemon]

fuck this shit, you guys gotta control your coments, just enjoy the fucking music!!!

[CovenantOfLove]

all things are all things...may love and honor save those of ill intent

[thechristian01999]

I don't know if we should compare Bach with mozart, or Rachmaninoff with Prokofiev or whoever with whoever, for me the most important thing is what the composer wanted to say with music, that's what have to matter. i am not a music expert or schoolar but i do know that all these composers had something very important to say, and they did, that is way this message is heard even today, after more than 200 years, and this mass is one of the greatest examples.

[erroll9621]

@thechristian01999 I don't mean to be rude, but I find that rather naive.

[thechristian01999]

@erroll9621 maybe,but it's true

[KingLeo125]

Mozart's reqiuem serves a different purpose, it serves to really get the heart going whilst Bach's is more elegant, more calm and inspiring. Stop comparing the two. Beautiful pieces of music in their own right.

[jsnauwaert]

@KingLeo125

I didn't compare Bach's mass with Mozart's Requiem. The 2 pieces are a totally different genre and as such are impossible to compare. I rather "compared" the composer Bach to the composer Mozart, and in a very (too) general way of speaking, I say that Bach is by far the greater of the two.

[paxclassicalmusic]

I’m not saying Bach is not a great composer, double violin concerto in D minor is superb in my opinion.

[paxclassicalmusic]

the fugal sections of the masonic opera, die zauberflote, fugal finale of symphony No.41, adagio and fugue in c minor for orchestra, I would list as examples, of which Mozart brilliantly combined operatic/symphonic art with counterpoint. Just like Beethoven's "grosse fuge" string quartet, last movement of hammerklavier - their fugal techniques ended up enhancing the most advanced forms of their time, JS Bach's did not.

[paxclassicalmusic]

no operas (the summit of ambition for composers of the time), no symphonies. Where in Bach's music do we find the symphonic integration, of for example - Mozart's C minor piano concerto k491 (which inspired Beethoven in the writing of his own third)

[jsnauwaert]

@HerlockSholmes123

Well, I can agree, not fully, but still. Mozart's Requiem seems indeed a lot "greater" than his usual musical output to me.

[paxclassicalmusic]

@jsnauwaert I find Bach more boring than Mozart (and Bach’s sons, CPE, JC) because, although most of his compositions ended up being repetitions after repetitions of Baroque counterpoint, and nothing more. Have you listened to Bach's chorales and "Jesus Christus Unser Heiland", like seriously? He had so much time on earth compared to others, like 70 years, he's supposed to have achieved far more, I take it for granted that Bach composed more

[SASPython]

smoke and mirrors. Atleast someone should know what im talking about here!

[calabrone80]

how you can compare the god of music(bach) with mozart?

talking such a rubbish 

[redbull101991]

I have piano and choir scores printed in Germany shortly after world war II - Peters Edition. I've been trying to learn to play it but it's one of the hardest and beautiest pieces I've ever heard. The adagio at the begining of it is actually the most moving piece I've ever heard.

[mikakrstic]

I agree. Mozart was a big fan of Bach though. All he wanted is to sound like Bach, within his infantile mind.

[fpsaraiva]

So beautiful! 

[bda29111964]

Magnifique !

[Vegetth87]

Happy Birthday JSB!!!

[FukFoxNews]

This music hints, divinity. If you listen closely you will notice that the music is coming from within you Bach knew how to listen all music comes from the same place. It is possible with meditation to BE the divine everywhere. Bach is giving us a minuscule glimpse at the divine with his music. Notice how you are constantly receiving and letting go of the different notes.The music is hinting at meditation, where your thoughts are your notes and your life a symphony! :D Infinitely on repeat!

[gleyd1]

Przepiękne,ponadczasowe.Mam ciarki na plecach.

[paradoxicus]

Por lo leído no deberíamos comparar.Ahora bien,ya puestos.

Bach es el padre,Mozart el hijo,para la trilogía o trinidad póngase cada cual según su gusto.

[gafBacani]

This is the best version of this song I've found on youtube!

[dwenjang22]

Mozart was 35 when he died

[bigcrackerpants]

Who cares what it compares to or doesn't? Pointless exercise. The fact is and all that matters to me is that this piece of music moves me to tears.

[paripe]

Yo no sé quién es mejor, si Bach o Mozart. Solo sé que las Pasiones, las Cantatas, los Oratorios, los conciertos, las piezas para clave, los canones, infinitas piezas de Bach me tocan el alma como ningún otro consigue hacerlo.

[jgarvue]

why is it in Bb...

[DopoNotte]

@jgarvue

They are probably doing it at 415.... There are also counter tenors in the alto section, in fact I'd wager that there are more counter tenors than altos, if there are any female altos at all!

[jgarvue]

@DopoNotte

Haha I forgot that the baroque tuning is so flat... Thanks, just curious.

[atombomb67]

Two soulless individuals cannot appreciate perfection.

[traceurValtR]

personally i find mozart or beethoven more fun, but this is a nice peice of music :)

[axelfalk1]

magnificent

[harry811]

I have Bach's Christmas Oratorio. If only I knew how to set it to you tube, than everyone can enjoy.

Harry

[harry811]

Dominus vobiscum

Harry

[pbsclair]

A god among men. Bach is the only person of whom I say this with all sincerity.

His music moves me the same way the universe does- the same feeling of divinity in both.

Bach and Mozart demonstrated to us incredible human capacity of creation. They make me ask myself what I myself can do, other than fighting a youtube comment war.

[Wolandificationable]

Greek. not latin.

[eythymios77]

@Wolandificationable Kyrie Eleison = Κύριε Ελέησον = God Mercy!

[Wolandificationable]

Kyrie Eleison is latin and means "Lord, Have mercy".

[groll103]

@Wolandificationable Actually it's greek, latin would 'Miserere Nobis".

[groll103]

@Wolandificationable 

[jonfender123]

Can someone tell me what Kyrie eleison means?

[eythymios77]

@jonfender123 Lord Mercy in Greek...

[eu4ik]

Certain musical pieces make me tear up, they strike a chord deep inside that just opens the flood gates! This is one of those pieces. Wow

[2009xellos]

In fact, Mozart admired Bach so much, regularly played the Well Tempered Clavier, even transcribed 6 of the preludes&fugues for piano/violin/viola trio, (or duo, I'm not sure), introducing each of Bach's fugues, with a prelude of his own. And in the innovative piano work, Fantasia&Sonata in C minor K.475, K.475, Mozart makes references to Bach's "Musical Offering".

Truly Bach was the "father of music", there's no doubt about that.

[2009xellos]

@2009xellos forgot to mention Mozart's Fantasy&Fugue in C major K.394 - written when he was studying Bach

[2009xellos]

Mozart admired Bach, Handel and other Baroque masters, eagerly studied their works. Adagio & Fugue for orchestra in C minor K.546, Requiem in D minor K.626, Mass in C minor K.427, various fugal sections in the 1st movement of Piano Sonatas K.533, K576, Rondo in A minor, Gigue in G major (a homage to Bach written when Mozart visited Leipzig in 1789) Fantasia in F minor for Organ, 5-voiced fugal finale of Symphony K.551 - to name a few - demonstrate Mozart's admiration for JS Bach

[gatoulis25]

@2009xellos THE SON OF BACH, C.F. BACH WAS TEACHER OF MOZART IN MUSIC !

[m3hdim3hdi]

i think Beethoven's Missa Solemnis is much better

[WGTSA]

perfection exists on earth....

[YoungOrganist]

I can't believe Bach would never have heared the whole mass in its full completation! Its almost tragic!

[OutschX3]

... goosebumps...!

[GerritGroentemans]

Fucking brilliant!

[briarcliff69]

absolutely amazing--Bach was an incredible musical genius, we are still listening to his music after almost 300 years, and will probably be listening to it 3000 years from now.

[p0pkillerrr]

mooie uitvoering, ontroerend! wat een schoonheid....

[mishuzza]

Without Bach the music doesn't exist...

[stevemaster247]

holy crap kyrie eleison is greek! im so proud to be greek right now!

[Nikioko]

Oh gosh, these guys don't even now how to pronounce "Kyrie eleison" in German Latin correctly sing "Kiriä äläison" as if was composed by Monteverdi or Puccini.

[atombomb67]

The B minor mass makes me cry. I've listened to all of Bach's known works (bought the 150-cd boxed set), and while I love so many of his works, there are only two that send celestial shivers down my spine: The chaconne from partita #2 in d minor for solo violin and this piece. If only he were alive....I'd give up my musical ability if I could speak to him.

I'm not a Christian...far from it. But I feel closest to God when I listen to this piece.

[spasman]

I think this section is the best piece of music written by anyone ever. Utterly complex and beautiful, I keep listening and reading the score and everytime I am just amazed.

Nothing short of perfection.

[herodot2]

It eludes me why anyone would enjoy this dogmatic period crap that reduces the music to rubble.

[Vayshen]

It's called musical preference. You deny people freedom in musical taste?

I'm no fan of rap or pop either btw.

[KalypsoSig]

Comparing Bach to Mozart is like comparing Pink Floyd to Nirvana. Think about the value in both and why for a minute....

[maricahn]

stfu; Mozart died young from rheumatic fever complications (allegedly), and Bach had all his life to compose. And you don't even know for sure if Bach composed some of his most famous pieces. My point is: comparing is futile, and a loss of time, nigga.

[Thingolfin]

Even if Mozart had had a longer life he would have never reached this master level in counterpoint!! maybe later Beethovens´s late quartets are of that depth or Reger´s Organ works. The rest is tweedle dee and tweedle doo.

[maricahn]

That's just imagination and suppossitions. And musical value can't be measured only by the ammount of counterpoint.

[elias12186]

Well I think to like Mozart's style of counterpoint over Bach's, if that opinion is worth anything. It is much less strict and can be tossed into and out the salad at any time! Something we can only wonder about is what he would have wrote if he lived another 10 years.

[parakeethands]

@elias12186 Mozart is not even in the same league as J.S. Bach. Bach is considered the "father of modern music" as well as the greatest composer of all time. Two other composers who come in second behind Bach would be Handel and Albinoni. All others including Beethoven fall behind.

[CarricThura]

@parakeethands

Albinoni!?!?

[jsnauwaert]

@parakeethands

I agree with the first two sentences of your comment.

[MrClintor123]

@elias12186 mozart got his ideas from bach

[eythymios77]

@MrClintor123 and made it perfect! But dont be so naive...gospels and church music was the main pieces of composing at that time. Nobody took the idea from anyone...judge the music and the composing (if u can)

[vezzarn]

Not a good comparison. Both Pink Floyd and Nirvana are garbage.

[jsnauwaert]

Very complex piece of music. Only Bach can write such architectures of inifinite power and beauty. Don't compare with Mozart, who is way behind this kind of accomplishments.

[maricahn]

Neither Bach nor Mozart wrote music for the sake of complexity, but for the sake of beauty. The fact that they belong to different styles implies they should not be compared. This said, I agree with you.

[herodot2]

@jsnauwaert

Mozart could not have written "Kunst der Fuge", Bach could not have written "Don Giovanni".

I for my part do not want to miss either.

[mfk1664]

@jsnauwaert I agree it's a stunning piece of music but think you're doing Mozart a dis-service there.

[2009xellos]

@jsnauwaert You haven't really listened to any serious Mozart...“The finale of Mozart’s Jupiter Symphony is unique among all the works of occidental music, not so much by the singularity of the themes, but by their elaboration, which has no parallel in the history of music. Wherever can we find a composition with 5 themes that are all confronted at the end of the movement, so that they sound up all together and yet can be interchanged without offending the classical sense of harmony?”

[2009xellos]

@jsnauwaert “There are numerous composers who at the end of a work manage to juxtapose 2, 3, or even 4 voices, so as to create the climax of a finale. What is unique in the history of music is the drawing together of 5 themes as it is done at the end of Mozart’s Jupiter symphony. Supreme polyphonic art is hidden in classical sound, forming a new unity between homophony (classicism) and counterpoint (baroque).”

[2009xellos]

@jsnauwaert nothing is stupider than generalizing a composer by saying, first-impression-oriented, biased remarks, when you can't name 10 of his finest works off the top of your head.

As mentioned previously, the multi-subject fugal finale of Mozart's Symphony No.41 in C major, a perfect fusion of classical&baroque styles, is revolutionary in terms of complexity and structure.

Ever wondered why Beethoven admired Mozart?

[eythymios77]

@jsnauwaert you are such an ignorant about music..this is obvious...compare the polyphony of Mozart to this premative (good) piece of creation....you should go and get some lessons and read some music history about composing...

[gr0mithtimon]

@eythymios77

I'm sorry, but did you just call this primitive compared to Mozart's polyphony?

[parquar]

@eythymios77 The polyphony of Mozart, and any comparison to Bach, brings up a big red flag if you are trying to make the outrageous assertion that his polyphonic ability could even equal Bach's

[I3L4NK]

@jsnauwaert .... I want... to.. stab you...

[wawa314159]

@jsnauwaert I suppose you are very unfamiliar to Mozart's symphony 41. Listen to it, and you will be surprised at Mozart's counterpoint ability. Its fourth movement is one of the most beautiful examples of 5-voiced completely invertible counterpoint.

[shineluvslambiel]

@jsnauwaert was the mention and insult to Mozart necessary here?

[veyero1]

@shineluvslambiel We are all doomed. We live in a world where, yes, the comment was necessary. Where denigration is the only form of elevation. May god help us all.

[DopoNotte]

@jsnauwaert

You clearly do not understand Mozart; nor the level of idiocy of your own comment.

[BedInTheGraveyard]

@jsnauwaert Mozart was touched by the gods, he had the talent that doesnt have Bach,so please,don't compare him with Bach AT ALL,they are not the same, it's like comparing an apple with a watch...

[jsnauwaert]

@BedInTheGraveyard

If I were Bach, I would certainly want to exchange my talent for that of Mozart. It would indeed be silly to exchange something of the highest order for something that is definitely less. If I were Bach, I wouldn't be interested to compose like Mozart, something so much more superficial, less intricate and much less divine. Maybe Mozart was touched by the gods, but Bach was - and is - actually the God of music.

[adam4757]

@jsnauwaert I'd say Mozart generally wrote music more beautiful than Bach, but admittedly not as complex. To dismiss Mozart is foolish.

[jsnauwaert]

@adam4757

I most certainly wouldn't.

[HerlockSholmes123]

@jsnauwaert Remember that Mozart died when was 35. Bach composed this when he was 48.

Listening to Mozart's Requiem, you can see that Mozart was on his way to write powerful pieces as well if it wasn't for his sudden and untimely death.

[xollyeux]

@jsnauwaert would you like to suck my balls?

[szabandrei]

@jsnauwaert if i wouldn't have heard the Mozart version, i could have been agree with you, i consider Bach a bigger genius than Mozart, but Requiem is something totally different, and much powerful and complex than this one. My best regards!

[ThoughtsofaPerson]

@jsnauwaert Oh, please, what a cheap shot. Mozart's greatest pieces are fully comparable with Bach's greatest achievements.

[jsnauwaert]

@ThoughtsofaPerson

They are not fully comparable, for that Bach's music pieces are too different in style, structure, vision and so on than Mozart's, But Bach is superior as a composer to Mozart (and to any other composer for that matter), which is not a "cheap shot", but a true - though probably not provable - statement.

[ThoughtsofaPerson]

@jsnauwaert If it is true, then there is evidence for it. If we are discussing the "quality of the masterpieces", they are equals. If we are discussing the "number of masterpieces", then I agree that Bach wins (since he lived longer).

[AdmiralPrussia]

Even though I like bachs music way better I think Mozarts Kyrie Elieson is kinda cooler however this is much more regal (cooler in a diffrent way)

[GoodNamesWereUsed]

i wish we still could hear music like this in churches every sunday.

nothing like this is yet produced and rarely reproduced.

[aeopmusic]

@GoodNamesWereUsed

That's because the churches think that grandmas on the electric organ are far more thrilling.

[redbull101991]

@GoodNamesWereUsed Bach pieces are still performed in some bigger Polish churches and cathedrals. There's a custom of playing imrpovisations or complicated pieces after masses in Poland so sometimes you can hear tocatta or even this :)

[MegaKrishan123]

@GoodNamesWereUsed I agree 100%, i wish we could hear this at mass in church every sunday-yet it would take an amazing choir to sing it, but then why dont we just train the large choirs to do so.

[MMRSP]

Nice!

[Cardien18]

This always makes me feel more spiritual and love Bach more...

[sonata1992]

Saintly Youtuber, you. Grazie.

*Listens to Bach and gesticulates voraciously*

[kg22uk]

Wonderful! Thanks for uploading.

[PolyChromaticTone]

ditto!

[firebreathone]

Amazing