"Christians" (I don't believe there is such a thing), have all sorts of excuses for this. For those who see it is allegory, or anything but literal, I would ask why did Jesus have to die if there was no "original sin".
Thanks. Google is a good start. The internet has really helped the spread of information.
"All have..." Those lines are part of the story in the Bible, I agree.
What I am looking for is a way to discern one type of writing from another. The Bible is such an important work, I want to know which parts are literal and which are "allegory", "poetry", etc. peace
@shaunrwilliams "Christians" (I don't believe there is such a thing), have all sorts of excuses for this. For those who see it as allegory, or anything but literal, I would ask why did Jesus have to die if there was no "original sin".
@shaunrwilliams If you believe that any human lived much over 100 years in a time when the evidence shows the average age wasn't much over 25, you are simply uneducated. That people lived hundreds of years is a "sunday school" fact. You know, like the "fact" that snakes walked and talked. Well, maybe SOME snakes do. There's Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh!
@shaunrwilliams What, you're suddenly the moderator? There are more than 450 comments here. Some of those people might have an opposite opinion. Nice try, though. When you get tired of having your points destroyed, you just declare yourself the winner. Nobody said you have to agree. But you don't win the argument just because you say so. Why don't you go now and bother somebody else?
God said to Adam and Eve they would surely die in that day.
Biblically the word Day is referred to either 1 literal day or a 1,000 years.
I believe Adam lived about 930 years. (So God's words came true)
On a side note: God is known as the living God. God has been known to change His decisions, but in this instance it seems easy to recognize He spoke with accuracy.
@shaunrwilliams I told you before, if god told A&E "in the day" without explaining that to him that could be a thousand years, he was deceitful. First, there's no reason to believe the humans had any idea of what a thousand was. There are still primitive people in the world whose whole concept of mathematics is "one, two and many." Furthermore, again, because you obviously paid no attention when I said it before, A&E had never seen anything die. They wold have no idea what that meant. (cont.)
(cont.) I've been over all this before, but you either didn't read any of the comments but your own or you were too dense to get the point. The experience of the new humans was that a day was a single cycle of light and darkness. To say thousand year-day to them when he knew they would think just "day" was deceptive . . . a lie. After all there is no threat if he told them, "Sometime within a thousand of your years you will die." How long is YOUR memory? (cont.)
(cont.) If you tell your children that they have to behave because Santa Claus won't bring them presents if they don't, you are a liar. You may think it's harmless, but it is pure and simple deceit. You lie in order to control their behavior. That's what the bible says god did to A&E. The only one who told the truth in that first book was the serpent. You know, the one that could walk and talk (LOL!). You win the debate? Yeah, riiight!
@shaunrwilliams Bones of earliest humans show a growth and lifespan of maybe 25 years. There was no time when humans or any other animals lived hundreds of years, Read a book other than your magic one, and maybe you will learn something. Trees still can live thousands of years, but animals never did.
‘But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.’
@shaunrwilliams I did mention that in the video. In the first place, there is no way A&E would have known what a thousand meant, nor death for that matter. A thousand days hadn't passed yet, if the story is remotely accurate, and before the curse, NOTHING had died. How were the newly minted humans to know what death meant? To them, a day had to have meant one cycle of light and dark. That's the only thing they could have experienced thus far.
(cont.) Even if god meant one of his celestial, thousand-year days, for him to say "day" to the humans, meaning "his" day, he was being deceptive. In other words, he lied. The serpent told the truth.
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The body is sin because it dies, but the innocent Lord is in the baby. Gods light will not burn up a baby. Gods light is hell to those refusing Gods childlike love. They will refuse the drawing of Gods love that is forgiving, meek, compensate, tender, long suffering, slow to anger, merciful, not accusing or condemning, not giving evil for evil not persecuting, sets humans free not holding humans in bondage drying tears giving joy. Refuse that love not giving it,and ashes is the end of whoever.
@kobidobidog Did you actually look at what you wrote? The body is sin? What does that mean? Do you even know? God's light will not burn up a baby? Are you kidding? Have you seen NO pictures of babies killed in bombing raids, or dying of starvation. No god protects any babies. If people don't do it no one does. Saying god is meek is ridiculous. Please! Meek? Read Job ("where were you when I ... "), just one of the many places where god declares himself a thing to be feared. Meek? Are you kidding?
@Largo64 Know exactly what I wrote. Our body is in rebellion with the life God made. We consume it making it into a substance that is called a word even humans don't like. That body can't exist in Gods holy light. Only the human with the spirit of Jesus who is God in their soul will survive. The one who has Jesus will do good even as Jesus did good drawing all to him with love not teaching anyone to throw a stone. Men make bombs, and not God so stop blaming him. God saves the soul.
@kobidobidog You did a lot better tis time. Though I still don't believe you, at least I understand what you are saying. I didn't say god made bombs. I said he doesn't protect children. That's true and obvious. It's obvious because of the abundant evidence, and true because there is no god to protect them. Your belief is shared by far more people than my disbelief. Why do you waste your time here when you can get amens all over the place. Do you imagine that you will convert me? Never happen.
@Largo64 Thank you. God protects the soul. The one who has that hope will not war at all. We will get a body like Jesus got when he raised up from the dead. God is in you to not war in the first place. Christ in us the hope of glory. Do you know that one? I am here to have those that do not see to see. You are already converted, but your mouth is still flapping at the wrong being.
@Largo64 The meek Lord God was in Job.That is why Job did not curse God,and die. Gods light will change everything. Even stars will dissolve in his glory. I tell you the truth. All will bow before him even as the angels bow before him. If Angels bow before him how much more mortal man will bow before Gods majestic light. James 1 ;17Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
@kobidobidog Job wasn't meek, he was terrified by the cosmic bully, telling little Job how powerful he was and how powerless Job was. All those "good gifts" are reserved for the very limited number of people already chosen. Read John 6:44. Not everyone has an equal chance, according to your bible. If I'm an unbeliever, the book says I'm supposed to be. That was decided from before time. I'm no Calvinist, but I can read. As I said before, you can believe what you wish. But stop trying to turn me.
@Largo64 The fear of God is not the fear men think of. Devils in the souls of men have one kind of fear, fear of judgment. To not have the other fear of God is to go out of control hurting persecuting incarcerating waring developing more, and more destructive weapons, and make more, and more oppressive laws against humans while at the same time calling it good. Humans without the fear of God will boast of themselves in their achievements abilities thinking they can save the world.
@kobidobidog Somebody tagged this comment also as spam. I apologize for that and any trouble it may cause you. I can't seem to get through the cement between some people's ears that spam is commercial and NOT just a thought someone doesn't like.
@Largo64Forgive even as Jesus forgives, and he will be in you too. I see him in you. Give the good that is in you to others, and have more wheat in your field for Jesus to harvest when he comes back calling you a faithful servant.
The simply truth is that the God of the bible is not the creator of all, he is a very powerful multidimensional being with long life span. The original translation of the genesis says the Elohim or gods created the modern mankind.
@jslovin23 I don't know about "original translation," since no original document has ever been found. But the word Elohim is indeed plural. Kinda makes you wonder how the Hebrews came up with the one god idea. "Godkind" makes sense, in the same way mankind does. One would think that a supreme intellect would be even more susceptible to the horrors of isolation and boredom than humans are. Anyway, when Yahweh says, "Let US make man in OUR image," who's he talking to? Is it the royal "we"?
@Largo64 Physical beings think in the plural. God however is spiritual being in all places at ones. God cannot be isolated in any one place. Gods image is this: God takes care of us giving us good gifts. We in turn take care of life, and give each each other good gifts. Gods image is his Character too. We lost that, and need to get it back so when he come back we will know him, and he will know us. It is the royal we with God in us. Have him in us, and we will sit on Gods throne.
@Largo64 Yes i agree but what is truly frighting is a supreme intellect that believes itself to be superior to other beings that are not on the same level has himself or his group. the myth of the great flood in the bible and Greek myths are disconcerting in that a being decided that all of humanity was corrupt and therefore it was reasonable to nearly destroy the entire human race. The fact that many people seem to believe this was a righteous action is what is truly frighting.
EXCELLENT! Great points which I've argued a lot! I will be using this video ;) We didn't die....IN THAT DAY...in fact man lived longer than EVER. It's funny cuz Theists will do acrobats 2 deny this or add twisted meaning 2 it. My question is WHO created the serpent IF it wasn't God & WHY would He have made the serpent thee most cunning animal instead of making humans that way? ;)
Satan who is Lucifer fell when iniquity was found in him, and he could not be in Gods presence else Gods light would consume him. That light is hell to the wicked. God is heaven. Honesty will be found in heaven not accusing humans having anything to do with mans legal system. Satan is the father of all lies. He even tries to get humans to commit suicide like Jesus on a high place, and is in all war being the originator of war. You don't see that we die? Adam,and Eve lost their light covering.
@kobidobidog Understand something. If Lucifer/Satan was created perfect (as the creation of a perfect being must be), then he would have been incapable of iniquity. The idea that a god can create a perfect being and then that being can go wrong is simply ridiculous. If Lucifer was flawed it is because his design and construction were flawed. Therefore his creator is not perfect. If I built a car, and it could only turn one way, the flaw would be my fault, not the car's.
@Largo64 Lucifer had a mind of his own, and chose the unthinkable. Humans think the unthinkable too when they do bad to whoever doing to humans what they would not want to be done unto them. The car can't think for its self.
@kobidobidog The point is, if Lucifer were created without flaw, he would have stayed that way, and so would we. According to your bible, humans were created flawed and then commanded to be perfect. The truly flawed mind is that of the creator. Free will can only exist in a universe without an omnipotent force. The car analogy should prove, to an alert mind, that if something is created that CAN go wrong it is the fault of the creator.
@Largo64 Humans were created with a mind to chose. They chose wrong. Humans have the same desire to get more even as Lucifer did. The only way man accepts the illusion of more is to kill Gods gifts.Satan wants to kill Gods gifts. Lucifer instead of being grateful for what God gave him was not grateful at all. You are showing that ungratefulness by cursing God even as Lucifer cursed God. In appearance Lucifer was perfect shining brightly. So did Adam,and Eve, but lost it when they fell.
@Largo64 You want to be a car without a mind, and without emotion or love. You might as well be as dead as the things that man creates. God wants you to love him, and when you love him all that are around you will also be loved without exception.
@kobidobidog Love and respect can't be forced, but should be earned. I think an omniscient and omnipotent being could come up with more peaceful ways to achieve that. "Regardless of my actions, love me and accept me or I will leave you to burn forever", just imagine a parent saying that to his children. I think only psycho parents could come up with that kind of crazy stuff. God sends babies to hell right away, as being born is a sin and they never had a chance to get saved.
@Largo64 The accusing Lucifer is in your soul looking out of your eyes speaking through your lips. You must in Christs name rebuke him. When Lucifer fell he was obsessed with himself not in the one who made him. Lucifer was equal in brightness to God himself. God showers every good gift on him, and still he rebelled against God. Humans do the same thing. God showers us with rain, and gives us ever precious gem, good things to eat, and see, but cursing still come out of the lips man.
@kobidobidog This is what happened. Lucifer was the most amazing angel God ever made glimmering like the precious gems we gawk at spending gobs of money for, but your dog could care less about. Lucifer is in this body looking at those gems through our eye in this body that dies. That is Lucifer in us wanting more. We kill, and make things thinking we get more. Lucifer saw what he was taking his eyes off of the one who made him,and suddenly asked for more, and then He became Satan.
Nowhere in the story does it say that the serpent was Satan. The text uses the same word to describe the serpent in the garden as any other serpent mentioned in the Biblical writings.
In some respects, the serpent in the Biblical story serves the same purpose as Prometheus did in Pagan mythology. Another thing which Christians consistently fail to recognise is that Satan, as described in the Old Testament, worked for Yahweh. He worked for him as his prosecuting attorney in his heavenly court.
@dingodavid Exactly! The serpent worked for god. In order for the "plan" to be realized it was necessary that humans sin. The deceiver is identified throughout the bible as leading people astray. The deceiver is clearly the devil, and he does only what god allows - or orders him to do. But in this case, the serpent cleverly told the truth. It was god who directly told the lie.
@dingodavid 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 (KJV) "10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, THAT THEY SHALL BELIEVE A LIE. 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." God deliberately causes people to believe untruth, in other words lies! His reasons for it don't matter.
@dingodavid As you said, Satan worked for god. So every lie he told was on orders from Yahweh. If people were not deceived, if they did not "sin" how could god be justified in damning them? That was the plan all along. Every lie told on god's orders IS a lie told by god. You may want to have it both ways, but you really can't. The serpent's truth served as a lie, and the actual lie was told by god. He said IN THE DAY. It's like threatening your kid with a spanking and not carrying it out. A lie.
@Largo64 God doest deceive but he allows those who would rather believe in lies have their lies. So he is not a liar but he does allow lies if a person rather believe them and not God. Sir, you have sold wisdon for such a cheap price.
@Largo64 No he doesnt lie. If you read the passage you would see that the people were already believing the lie God was simply giving them what they wanted just as God may allow a person to continue to do drugs. Those people refered to loved the lie and hated the truth already. It clearly says that the deception was already there by the lawless one( Satan) God was simply giving the people their choice.
@dingodavid Yeah he did until he rebeled against God when he thought himself equal to God. He then was cast out of Heaven him and third of the angels he deceived. So, he is the Father of lies. Dont be deceived.
DID THEY DIE LARGO???? DID THEY DIE LARGO????DID THEY DIE LARGO????DID THEY DIE LARGO????DID THEY DIE LARGO???? IF YOU DO THIS IN THIS DAY YOU WILL DIE~INTERPRETATION~ IF YOU EAT THIS FUCKING FRUIT YOU WILL DIE.......
@krowtech Once again, and slowly, because you are obviously (ahem!) slow: It says IN THE DAY that they ate of the fruit they would die. It specifies a time frame. Since Adam lived more than 900 years according to the text, saying that he would die the same day was a lie! This has been handled over and over again in comments, but you either can't read very well or didn't bother to look.
@Largo64 : no no no..Example: If you say to someone "in this day" if you do THIS action...this other action will happen.... You see where I'm coming from?? There is no damn time frame. God simply says "in this day" for the first event.......wow man.
The video should be taken down because you clearly mis-interpreted the passage. You being an atheist, it doesn't surprise me...
@krowtech It's obvious that even YOU don't see where you are coming from. IN THE DAY is a time frame. It could not be clearer except to someone who doesn't want to see what is there. You deny what it says because you don't like it. Hey, deny away. You're still wrong.
@Largo64 : Oh and btw..I'm no expert on the Bible but living 900 year life span would be a combination of rich and abundant oxygen levels in comination of the ability to reproduce at a high rate to jump-start humanity...ZING! HE SHOOTS...AND HE SCORES!!!!!!
@chemerich I said the words mean what THEY say, or they mean nothing. The interpreter here is not I, but you, if you take the scripture to mean anything other than what IT says.
The trouble with the bible is someone wrote it down, and more than the priests were able to look at it. The apologetic preachers were no longer able to rewrite it up date it. The curtain was pulled back in the temple, and there sat an apologist working to keep Satan alive by condemning academia and its reason. But, for those who consume the body and drink the blood, there is no better pill to quill the thirst for truth.
He meant they would die SPIRITUALLY.....not physically. And the wages of sin are death. Because they sinned the whole human race is born spiritually dead which causes them to physically die. When Eve and Adam sinned, they immediatly became spiritually DEAD.
@kristimjlove Adding the word "spiritually" is just apologetic bullshit. The bible doesn't say they would die spiritually (which they would have had no way of understanding), but that they would die (which, now that I think of it, they also would have no way of understanding, never having seen death).
@kristimjlove Stop making excuses. We all have brains and can think without you. The Bible is a known lie. Get used to it, stop teaching kids this fake crap. I can tell you the actual history of religion and Iesus. The bible is so full of lies there is no apologizing for it.
@MrStephenjohnmiller : I'm sure the only truth in the Bible are the events you wish to be true...right? like the rapings and killings? Those aren't true...are they?
Athey historical events and twisted them into one retarded bunch of bullshit...yes the wars and rapes happened. But not by GOD or anything divine..@MrStephenjohnmiller
they werent supposed to die at all! the human species was meant to live forever no age limit. the devil tricked them out of their immortality the devil told the worst lie EVER!
@doctorw2 It never seems to occur to believers that they endow their god with both omnipotence and omniscience, and then say that something went awry. IF god is perfect, all powerful and all knowing, it is impossible for anything to happen that he didn't plan or foresee. IF god is perfect, his creation could not be less than perfect. IF god is really as described, there is no such thing as free will. It is an illusion. We do have free will, because it's just a story
@Largo64 with power comes responsibility GOD does not need to control every outcome within the parimeters of human existence only when the cosmic balance is infringed on does the creator have to take drastic action. there is no such thing as free will but, there is a moral imperative to reject evil and do good and there is consequences for infringing on cosmic law by doing evil since that is counterproductive to the purpose of creation. adam and eve were told what not to do that is not freewill.
@Largo64 Sir with all due respect when God said you will surly die he didnt mean at that moment but that yes death would come for them. Its like a judge passing sentence on a convicted murderer saying on that of judgement you will surly die. You cant see the truth cuz your father is Satan and you love sin repent sir death could come for you tomorrow or today. God bless sinner.
@billywarren22 You are a hypocrite, Billy. When you say "with all due respect," and then call me a son of Satan and a lover of sin you immediately make yourself a liar. Anyway, there is no way you can know about my character beyond what you assume from my opinions expressed here. Should I infer from your statement here that you are a narrow minded bigot? That's what it looks like. And you came to MY channel to tell me these things. I didn't go to yours and tell you that you are deluded.
@Largo64 Sir Jesus himself would call you of your father satan youre either of God or satan and since you try to corrupt Gods word youre of Satan and by the way you only try to corrupt it Gods word is perfect you hate God and love sin. Repent or perish. Farewell. sinner.
@billywarren22 Now do not get unfair. He had a few points in the Video that are right. Did Adam and Eve knew what dead means? I bet you no they did not, they have never seen something dead before and never killed anything before. That means he is right or parts of the Bible are missing. Basicly there are a lot of book NOT included in the Bible because the Catholics did not put them in. And Luther took more out ! Read the rest of the books I would say . Maybe Testament of Adam
@MrStephenjohnmiller Sir the Bible is Gods word but you have clearly fallen for the line of" Did God really say" spoken by Satan who clearly is your Father. How is the Boble full of lies truth is it is full of facts that have been scientificaly proven.You Sir just hate God but that is your choice. Repent and accept Gods mercy dont and face his wrath. Your choice. God bless and farewell.
I know human and religious history, you clearly do not. You only are repeating what you learned in church. How sad. No one will ever believe you that has half a brain working, do you understand how sick and stupid christians sound to normal people who aren't sociopath liars like you are??. You were lied to and the whole thing is a proven fake story and nothing else.
@MrStephenjohnmiller you know relgious history not truth now yes many people have done some horrible things in the name of god for they did not know the one true living God besides the atheistic regimes have done far more evil. Without Christianity this world would be alot darker. I follow Jesus not relgion so I will Love you as my neighbor and wish you well and may you soon heed Gods warning. Much love and God bless.
How can you lie and claim to believe in something in which you have absolutely zero evidence? You can't, so your lying from severe childhood Trauma and brain washing. I actually feel sorry for you. Satan was an asteroid by the way, the anti-christ too, long before christianity too, google it maybe?They worshiped the Sun before fake messiahs, and asteroids that fooled all mankind were called Lucifer, satan the devil etc. The entire bible is no more than astro-theology. The signs are there! READ!
@billywarren22 Yes the Bible is a collection of Written down stuff by human hand. But it was put together by human and not Jesus. Even Jesus mentions things you can only find in book wich are NOT in the Bible. The holy spirit never punished me for reading the rest of the books that are not in the Bible....it helped me to understand more about the Bible. Anyway..it is on you to blinbly follow some preacher or surch for the truth yourself. god bless you
@Winterfairy777 The word was written by man under the inspiration of God and Adam and Eve knew all they needed the most important being to trust God but they didnt so they died in that istantYes, they lived for many more years but died spiritually.
@billywarren22 yep what they forgotten in the Video was that the reason Adam and Eve had to leave garden eden was because of the tree of life . They where not allowed to eat of it anymore. That is why they had to die and they did. Otherwise they would be still walking around..I never met them so I believe they are dead.
So you are one for reading words as they are written, it seems to me that they were going to experience physical death anyway, whether they ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil or not, and it seems like God didn't want them eating from the tree of life too. So, maybe the death he was speaking of wasn't physical death, but rather some other form of death as I mentioned before. Just something to mull over. Peace.
Maybe they weren't going to live forever anyway, whether they had eaten of the forbidden fruit or not, because it says in Genesis 3:22 "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"
I hear what you are saying and you are correct in what the words say. However, it doesn't say what kind of death God was talking about does it? Maybe he was talking in a sense of the man and woman's pure innocence and goodness dying in that very day, and if so, it was NOT a lie, for in that very day, their innocence and pure goodness DID die.
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for IN THE DAY THAT THOU EATEST thereof thou shalt surely die. NOT THAT THOU EATEST thereof thou shalt surely die IN THAT DAY. The day they eat of it is the day they are guarenteed to die. You are the one that is convincing yourself of something else, not me.
Well, maybe I am the mother of lies since actually Adam and Eve are not dead. The flesh they lived in for those around 900 years is dead. Their soul is not dead. The flesh HAS TO DIE or BE TRANSFORMED. This robe of flesh I will drop and rise. We see dim now like through smokey glass. God's ways are not our ways.
Imaging knowing about evil and living forever. This flesh surely must die. Adam and Eve started dying after they took the bite. Spiritually they knew they were naked, they tried to hide from God, they had to leave the garden and toil the land for food, thorns grew, and they started eating animals, and from fig leaves to animal skins. Hey babe nice rack and so on and so forth and then after dying from that day forward they died. They did die. They are DEAD!!!
@catenadine The passage does not say that they would start to die on that day. It says they would die IN THE DAY. You don't see it because you WILL not. But, by the scripture itself, you are wrong.
Adam and Eve starting from that day dying. They lived around 900 years and they died. If they would not have eaten of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil they would still be alive. They are now dead. Just like we will be someday dead (or raptured and transformed but the flesh has to die/go). We are surely dying today. After Adam and Eve ate that fruit the ground grew thorns and they had toil. Their spiritual life died because they knew sin and new they were naked (nice rack).
@catenadine How many times do I have to say it? An infinite number apparently, because people WILL not see what the book says. It says "In The Day" that they ate from that tree they would surely die. It did Not say they would begin dying and take hundreds of years. It says they would die immediately. They didn't. It was a lie. Also, they did not HAVE souls. The book says that when the breath of life was breathed into Adam's lungs he BECAME a living soul. But you will have it your way.
@Largo64 Adam became a living soul - he has a soul. I will have it God's way. You are interpreting "in the day" incorrectly. The day they eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and EVIL - in the day they now had knowledge about evil and will surely die. In the day they eat they find out about evil and will surely die. Now banned from the garden and the tree of life their flesh dying daily then died. They were ashamed of being naked. God did not say you will die instantly.
@catenadine Have it your own way. Apparently you are incapable of understanding the words.You talk of interpretation as if the simple sentence "In the day you eat from the tree . . . you will surely die." means something other than what it says. Its meaning is simple, direct and clear. That you interpret it some other way is nothing but spin. You should work for a politician as a spin doctor. You can reinterpret any lie and turn it in to a truth.
@Largo64 Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for IN THE DAY THAT THOU EATEST THEREOF thou shalt surely die. Gen 3:3b Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. WERE there eyes physically closed before they opened. The day they ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and EVIL (EVIL) they must now die. NOT IMMEDIATELY but yes they died. God does not lie.
@Largo64 I fear God in reverence because He is all knowing and wanted the best for us but we found out about EVIL and could no longer live on this earth knowing the knowledge of EVIL. We had to die. When God's wrath smites someone it is justified. You cannot play God and neither can a priest or TV preacher with a private jet. God will judge. Not me. If they ate in the day they ate they would surely die. They did. So be it. :-)
@catenadine >>"but we found out about EVIL and could no longer live on this earth knowing the knowledge of EVIL."<<
According to the book god PUT that knowledge of evil in the garden, after having created evil in the first place (Isaiah 45:7). IF god is justified it only proves that might makes right. The choices he makes throughout the bible - both testaments - are not moral or just, but justiFIED by power.
lets all being mad at god , if you dont believe in god then theres no need to say things about him because youd be in peace, but i do agree with you , the point is god is a fool invented by goverentm to control people ,
And for all the christians that would say "let's not take it literally, it's just teachings and you have to catch the meaning" .. let's dig into the meaning of that.
You CAN'T eat from the tree of the knowledge ... huh?
So your god wants you to be ignorant fools.
That's what religions want from you believers: SUBMISSION, no questions, no thinking, just obey.
@TrevorNGuitar Your argument is that even though God's exact words didn't come to pass, they still did in an "ultimate" form. If you can take any literal phrase and say it didn't mean exactly what it says, than the Bible can be interpreted to mean anything. Logical people begin with a question and search for proof, not begin with answers and ignore the evidence. As long as you believe anyone who questions the Bible is influenced or repeating the Devil you can't be objective.
God knew it was going to happen, and it all just had to play out. Who knows why?...I figure we have choices to make and those choices come with consequences good or bad.
God told them not to eat of the fruit, and it was about "obediance" to him, like it or not. So I can understand why people have a problem with that, it's nothing new. Our human nature rejects authority, even God. But for those who choose to live by his will believe in a promise.
but the word is that they entered the door of sin and death was their pay THAT DAY.....and remember if they didnt eat of the tree then they would never died.....peace
@aramaicpower they died because they had to leave garden eden and where not allowed to eat from the tree of lofe again. The fruit from the tree they ate was not the thing that killed them. It was gods will that they will die because they went against his will. That is what he calls sin.
....but the word is that they entered the door of sin and death was their pay THAT DAY.....and remember if they didnt eat of the tree then they would never died.....peace
You misunderstand what is my friend ..... when they had eaten out of the tree as sin entered the world...ok?? ... lets say about them would not have eaten out of the tree .... then had them never died........sentence is that if they would not have eaten at all out of the tree...then they would never die.......but theý ate of the tree and they did die......and i know uuu still and still focusing on That Day..
@aramaicpower I'm focusing on That Day because that's what the book says. You can make it mean anything you like, I suppose. But it says what it says.
largo64 you are so wrong...ADAM DID DIE=genesis 5:5....Romans 6:22-23 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.........1.For the wages of sin is death.....2.For the wages of sin is death...3.For the wages of sin is death....do uu get it now!!!
@aramaicpower You just don't get it do you. Of course he died, as has every living thing in history, eventually. But the lie was telling him that he would die IN THE DAY that he ate the forbidden fruit. That thousand year crap is meaningless, since it wasn't shared with Adam and Eve. What they were told was a deception.
From that day to this, the whole of that god's religion has been a preparation for death, and some supposed reward if you believe certain unreasonable propositions.
@Largo64 "That thousand year crap is meaningless, since it wasn't shared with Adam and Eve. "
How do you know? Did God tell Adam and Eve how to go to sleep at night, wake up in the morning, drink water, etc?
This really isnt that big of a deal. I've noticed most of your videos are against God, the I AM, not Allah, Buddha, Krishna, etc, who are 'gods' but they didn't make you so you don't have problems with them.
I & the other believers reading this love and are still praying 4 you.
@swimfan88 Please don't waste your time and breath praying for me. I may seem to attack the Judeo/Cjristian god because that is the one I grew up with. I don't believe he actually exists, but it is clear to me how much damage the belief in him has done to the minds of those who do. Allah is a god to Muslims, Krishna to Hundus. Buddha is not and never was a god. Buddha was a man called Gautama, who supposedly reached a transcendent state called nirvana. Buddhists hope to achieve it themselves.
@swimfan88 for him it is a big deal because he sees the Bible with open eyes and sees it not like one who believes. He looks ad what god is asking us to do and sees: if you are not with him you are against him and you have no free will. If you use your free will you can end up in helol. Who wants to go to hell? noone so you got to do what god says and believe what he tells you and follow him if you like it or not or u will go to hell. blackmail! That is what he sees.
@swimfan88 and if he is right and god said it that why he has a point if you like it or not. If god really said they would die the same day..well they did not. SO he would have lied first. If he did not said that day he did not lied first. Original text translation could show the answer.
I used the King James Version (KJV), which I wrote in the comment. Sometimes I use the New International Version (NIV), because its more modern English makes some things a little more clear. But my own bible, a Cambridge Edition King James version I've had for almost forty years, hath language that doth make the head spin at times. These days I use BibleGateway with a dot and a com, because it's easier to research with word search, and there are dozens of translations to choose from.
29. And at the close of the nineteenth jubilee, in the seventh week in the sixth year thereof (year 930 A.M. ), Adam died, and all his sons buried him in the land of his creation, 8 and he was the first to be buried 9 in the earth. 30. And he lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony
@swimfan88 Again with the "thousand years is as a day with god" nonsense. Neither the bible, nor the Jubilees text you quote says that Adam knew a day to be any more than one cycle of light and darkness. Lacking that knowledge, and being told "in the day," he was deceived.
The word "day" (yom) does not always mean a 24-hour day. For "one day (yom) is as a thousand years" (Ps. 90:4; 2 Peter 3:8). Adam did die within a "day" in this sense. Further, Adam began to die physically the very moment he sinned (Rom. 5:12), and he also died spiritually the exact instant he sinned (Eph. 2:1). So Adam died in several ways, any one of which would fulfill the pronouncement of God (in Gen. 2:17).
- It is appointed for all men to die then comes judgment. Repent and believe!
@AmbassadorOfHeaven Nothing in Genesis suggests that god told A&E about that little trick of perception . . . that a day might be as much as a thousand years. And even if he had, their empty minds would not have understood. Had they experienced even one year yet? There's no timeline here. Also, what did "death" mean to them, they never having seen it.
cont. Apologists tell me that before the curse, nothing died. Gen. 1:30 says all animals were vegetarian at first. After the fall, I guess animals that had been eating grass began to eat each other. So there were plenty examples of death AFTER Eve pilfered the fruit, but no example before to make the penalty real to the new humans.
"Spiritual death" in this context is just apologetic BS.
Like I mention before, How do you know Adam & Eve didn't know what death meant? Don't you think God will explain the concept of death to them. One does not need to see or experience a concept before understanding it. For example you understand the concept of going to Hell. Eventually your Atheism will lead you to Hell. Has anyone that you knew experienced Hell? But you know it will happen. The same with Adam. They knew death but they never seen it.
@AmbassadorOfHeaven you know what this is the most stupid thing i ever seen. Every time someone died that i knew i look at them and think how can this be? We talked together did this and that now that person is dead. Still today it is something to NOT understand how someone is alife and next minute he is not answering and moving anymore..just gone. And then you tell us they understood if our own brains and hearts today can not believe that terror? The pain to loos someone?
Genesis was written for us not Adam & Eve. Their entire lives is not recorded. How do you know that Adam didn't know what death meant? Everyone is capable of understanding a concept without actually seeing it.
@AmbassadorOfHeaven Genesis was written ABOUT Adam and Eve. If it was for us to know about them it should have been accurate, true and complete. It is, after all, purported to be the words of the creator himself. He wasn't a very good communicator for a perfect being. Telling us that plants came before the sun doesn't auger well for the correctness to be expected later on.
"He wasn't a very good communicator for a perfect being." - Thank You for admitting that He exists. Your hostility proves His existence and your raging heart is at war against Him. Man, your life is almost over. Stop fighting with Him and repent and believe before you stand before Him naked and in terror. You'll be sorry if you don't come to peace with God's terms.
@AmbassadorOfHeaven I haven't admitted the existence of your god any more than I would be admitting the existence of any other fictional character by referring to him. My hostility proves only my resistance to the actions of people who do believe in his existence. If they would just believe as they choose and leave it at that, I wold say nothing about it. But they feel they have to make everyone else believe as well. That's what the video is about. Have you actually seen it? It's brief.
@Largo64 Go int all the world and preach the gospel. Gods comman trumps yours. If you dont like it then why read his word or watch videos of him you so crave him but just cant let go of your beloved sin. Farewel and God bless. Merry Christ-mas.
@Largo64 there empty minds you say..question is what did they know and what not. They could not be empty minds because it is written Adam had to pick names for the animals. And that he took care of them and the garden...so he was not brainless. Also it is written god came to him and talked to him. You can not talk to someone that knows nothing....
@mysticalHeir Siding with Satan? First, Genesis says a serpent (a talking, walking serpent, yes, but not Satan). Then it says very clearly that the serpent told the truth while god lied.
@mysticalHeir As I said, I hate the idea of god. That thought has caused more discord, death and destruction than any other. But it's just a thought - not an actually existing being.
There are three aspects to death:- 1)physical death,the separation of the soul from the body. 2) Spiritual death, the separation of man from God,no more relationship as once enjoyed before sin 3) Eternal death, separation of body and soul from God FOREVER. Christ came to give us life,to bring us back to God, FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. Life is the opposite if death,it means UNION.
I'm sorry Bally. I have no interest in "union" with such an ignorant being that wants me to be ignorant and stupid. This is not love, Satan on the other hand is interested in my intellectual wellness. He wants me to grow. This herein is a lie Bally. God is no Father of mine. Fathers want their sons to learn.
You say that satan is interested in your "intellectual wellness",and that "he wants you to grow",how is he these things to you? You speak as though there is good in him,beware of wolves in sheeps clothing. He is a deceiver,he does not care for you,or anyone else,but seeks to keep you away from God. Without being reconciled to God through Christ every person will share the same destiny as satan,and satan will do everything in his power to see this happens.Please read Matt 25v31-46 Rev 20v10-15
Oh this is a simple answer... God forbids I eat from the "Tree of Knowledge". Therefore, God doesn't want me to know things. What kind of father doesn't want their kids to learn things? It's the greatest expression of love they could give their children... the self esteem of learning. Don't tell me you don't like learning things Bally. You use the INTERNET, and I know you're not on here for adult material.
Therefore Satan wants me to learn to enlighten myself. God wants me to be ignorant.
Adam and Eve took of the tree of knowledge of good and evil because satan LIED about what the outcome would be,and by doing what he said what knowledge did it give them?They KNEW that they were naked and became afraid of the God who created them because they had sinned against Him.The knowledge of good and evil God only can understand perfectly,Adam and Eve gained this knowledge by becoming sinners without the power to always do good,evil being the greater power as we see in all people today.
"Christians" (I don't believe there is such a thing), have all sorts of excuses for this. For those who see it is allegory, or anything but literal, I would ask why did Jesus have to die if there was no "original sin".
I enjoy your videos, thanks.
csnowutube 3 weeks ago
@csnowutube
i would suggest googling your answer
All have inherited sin from Adam
All have an opportunity to repent and seek holiness.
shaunrwilliams 2 weeks ago
@shaunrwilliams
Thanks. Google is a good start. The internet has really helped the spread of information.
"All have..." Those lines are part of the story in the Bible, I agree.
What I am looking for is a way to discern one type of writing from another. The Bible is such an important work, I want to know which parts are literal and which are "allegory", "poetry", etc. peace
csnowutube 2 weeks ago
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@shaunrwilliams "Christians" (I don't believe there is such a thing), have all sorts of excuses for this. For those who see it as allegory, or anything but literal, I would ask why did Jesus have to die if there was no "original sin".
thanks.
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shaunrwilliams 3 weeks ago
Your attack was on God saying a lie. I defused your attack with the fact that the word day has two meanings. Day: 1 literal day, 1,000 years
Adam and Eve did die before they reached their 1,000 birthday.
shaunrwilliams 3 weeks ago
@shaunrwilliams If you believe that any human lived much over 100 years in a time when the evidence shows the average age wasn't much over 25, you are simply uneducated. That people lived hundreds of years is a "sunday school" fact. You know, like the "fact" that snakes walked and talked. Well, maybe SOME snakes do. There's Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh!
Largo64 3 weeks ago
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shaunrwilliams 3 weeks ago
@Largo64 You lost this debate Largo. Take down the video. If you want to start another debate, I'm all for it.
-TruthorDeath
shaunrwilliams 3 weeks ago
@shaunrwilliams What, you're suddenly the moderator? There are more than 450 comments here. Some of those people might have an opposite opinion. Nice try, though. When you get tired of having your points destroyed, you just declare yourself the winner. Nobody said you have to agree. But you don't win the argument just because you say so. Why don't you go now and bother somebody else?
Largo64 3 weeks ago
@Largo64
God said to Adam and Eve they would surely die in that day.
Biblically the word Day is referred to either 1 literal day or a 1,000 years.
I believe Adam lived about 930 years. (So God's words came true)
On a side note: God is known as the living God. God has been known to change His decisions, but in this instance it seems easy to recognize He spoke with accuracy.
shaunrwilliams 3 weeks ago
@shaunrwilliams I told you before, if god told A&E "in the day" without explaining that to him that could be a thousand years, he was deceitful. First, there's no reason to believe the humans had any idea of what a thousand was. There are still primitive people in the world whose whole concept of mathematics is "one, two and many." Furthermore, again, because you obviously paid no attention when I said it before, A&E had never seen anything die. They wold have no idea what that meant. (cont.)
Largo64 3 weeks ago
(cont.) I've been over all this before, but you either didn't read any of the comments but your own or you were too dense to get the point. The experience of the new humans was that a day was a single cycle of light and darkness. To say thousand year-day to them when he knew they would think just "day" was deceptive . . . a lie. After all there is no threat if he told them, "Sometime within a thousand of your years you will die." How long is YOUR memory? (cont.)
Largo64 3 weeks ago
(cont.) If you tell your children that they have to behave because Santa Claus won't bring them presents if they don't, you are a liar. You may think it's harmless, but it is pure and simple deceit. You lie in order to control their behavior. That's what the bible says god did to A&E. The only one who told the truth in that first book was the serpent. You know, the one that could walk and talk (LOL!). You win the debate? Yeah, riiight!
Largo64 3 weeks ago
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shaunrwilliams 3 weeks ago
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shaunrwilliams 3 weeks ago
@Largo64
Larry
Please stay on topic.
Isn't it easy to think after the curse to a perfect world that man could live longer than current life expectancy?
shaunrwilliams 3 weeks ago
@shaunrwilliams Bones of earliest humans show a growth and lifespan of maybe 25 years. There was no time when humans or any other animals lived hundreds of years, Read a book other than your magic one, and maybe you will learn something. Trees still can live thousands of years, but animals never did.
Largo64 2 weeks ago
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shaunrwilliams 3 weeks ago
Great points! ;)
julzabro 3 weeks ago
2 Peter 3:8–9 reads:
‘But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.’
shaunrwilliams 3 weeks ago
@shaunrwilliams I did mention that in the video. In the first place, there is no way A&E would have known what a thousand meant, nor death for that matter. A thousand days hadn't passed yet, if the story is remotely accurate, and before the curse, NOTHING had died. How were the newly minted humans to know what death meant? To them, a day had to have meant one cycle of light and dark. That's the only thing they could have experienced thus far.
Largo64 3 weeks ago
(cont.) Even if god meant one of his celestial, thousand-year days, for him to say "day" to the humans, meaning "his" day, he was being deceptive. In other words, he lied. The serpent told the truth.
Largo64 3 weeks ago
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shaunrwilliams 3 weeks ago
STOP TAGGING THINGS ON MY CHANNEL AS SPAM! Something you disagree with is not spam. In any case, on MY channel it's MY business to take care of that. Whoever does tag things on someone else's channel is an ASSHOLE! You won't identify yourselves, but you know who you are. STOP IT!
Largo64 3 weeks ago
The body is sin because it dies, but the innocent Lord is in the baby. Gods light will not burn up a baby. Gods light is hell to those refusing Gods childlike love. They will refuse the drawing of Gods love that is forgiving, meek, compensate, tender, long suffering, slow to anger, merciful, not accusing or condemning, not giving evil for evil not persecuting, sets humans free not holding humans in bondage drying tears giving joy. Refuse that love not giving it,and ashes is the end of whoever.
kobidobidog 3 weeks ago
@kobidobidog Did you actually look at what you wrote? The body is sin? What does that mean? Do you even know? God's light will not burn up a baby? Are you kidding? Have you seen NO pictures of babies killed in bombing raids, or dying of starvation. No god protects any babies. If people don't do it no one does. Saying god is meek is ridiculous. Please! Meek? Read Job ("where were you when I ... "), just one of the many places where god declares himself a thing to be feared. Meek? Are you kidding?
Largo64 3 weeks ago
@Largo64 Know exactly what I wrote. Our body is in rebellion with the life God made. We consume it making it into a substance that is called a word even humans don't like. That body can't exist in Gods holy light. Only the human with the spirit of Jesus who is God in their soul will survive. The one who has Jesus will do good even as Jesus did good drawing all to him with love not teaching anyone to throw a stone. Men make bombs, and not God so stop blaming him. God saves the soul.
kobidobidog 3 weeks ago
@kobidobidog You did a lot better tis time. Though I still don't believe you, at least I understand what you are saying. I didn't say god made bombs. I said he doesn't protect children. That's true and obvious. It's obvious because of the abundant evidence, and true because there is no god to protect them. Your belief is shared by far more people than my disbelief. Why do you waste your time here when you can get amens all over the place. Do you imagine that you will convert me? Never happen.
Largo64 3 weeks ago
@Largo64 Thank you. God protects the soul. The one who has that hope will not war at all. We will get a body like Jesus got when he raised up from the dead. God is in you to not war in the first place. Christ in us the hope of glory. Do you know that one? I am here to have those that do not see to see. You are already converted, but your mouth is still flapping at the wrong being.
kobidobidog 3 weeks ago
@Largo64 The meek Lord God was in Job.That is why Job did not curse God,and die. Gods light will change everything. Even stars will dissolve in his glory. I tell you the truth. All will bow before him even as the angels bow before him. If Angels bow before him how much more mortal man will bow before Gods majestic light. James 1 ;17Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
kobidobidog 3 weeks ago
@kobidobidog Job wasn't meek, he was terrified by the cosmic bully, telling little Job how powerful he was and how powerless Job was. All those "good gifts" are reserved for the very limited number of people already chosen. Read John 6:44. Not everyone has an equal chance, according to your bible. If I'm an unbeliever, the book says I'm supposed to be. That was decided from before time. I'm no Calvinist, but I can read. As I said before, you can believe what you wish. But stop trying to turn me.
Largo64 3 weeks ago
@Largo64 The fear of God is not the fear men think of. Devils in the souls of men have one kind of fear, fear of judgment. To not have the other fear of God is to go out of control hurting persecuting incarcerating waring developing more, and more destructive weapons, and make more, and more oppressive laws against humans while at the same time calling it good. Humans without the fear of God will boast of themselves in their achievements abilities thinking they can save the world.
kobidobidog 3 weeks ago
@kobidobidog Somebody tagged this comment also as spam. I apologize for that and any trouble it may cause you. I can't seem to get through the cement between some people's ears that spam is commercial and NOT just a thought someone doesn't like.
Largo64 3 weeks ago
@Largo64 Do not worry. I forgive you. It is what Jesus would do.
kobidobidog 3 weeks ago
@kobidobidog O thank you, THANK YOU! I can stop worrying now. I don't know what I would do if you were not so Jesus like.
Largo64 3 weeks ago
@Largo64Forgive even as Jesus forgives, and he will be in you too. I see him in you. Give the good that is in you to others, and have more wheat in your field for Jesus to harvest when he comes back calling you a faithful servant.
kobidobidog 3 weeks ago
The simply truth is that the God of the bible is not the creator of all, he is a very powerful multidimensional being with long life span. The original translation of the genesis says the Elohim or gods created the modern mankind.
jslovin23 4 weeks ago
@jslovin23 I don't know about "original translation," since no original document has ever been found. But the word Elohim is indeed plural. Kinda makes you wonder how the Hebrews came up with the one god idea. "Godkind" makes sense, in the same way mankind does. One would think that a supreme intellect would be even more susceptible to the horrors of isolation and boredom than humans are. Anyway, when Yahweh says, "Let US make man in OUR image," who's he talking to? Is it the royal "we"?
Largo64 4 weeks ago
@Largo64 Physical beings think in the plural. God however is spiritual being in all places at ones. God cannot be isolated in any one place. Gods image is this: God takes care of us giving us good gifts. We in turn take care of life, and give each each other good gifts. Gods image is his Character too. We lost that, and need to get it back so when he come back we will know him, and he will know us. It is the royal we with God in us. Have him in us, and we will sit on Gods throne.
kobidobidog 3 weeks ago
@Largo64 Yes i agree but what is truly frighting is a supreme intellect that believes itself to be superior to other beings that are not on the same level has himself or his group. the myth of the great flood in the bible and Greek myths are disconcerting in that a being decided that all of humanity was corrupt and therefore it was reasonable to nearly destroy the entire human race. The fact that many people seem to believe this was a righteous action is what is truly frighting.
jslovin23 3 weeks ago
EXCELLENT! Great points which I've argued a lot! I will be using this video ;) We didn't die....IN THAT DAY...in fact man lived longer than EVER. It's funny cuz Theists will do acrobats 2 deny this or add twisted meaning 2 it. My question is WHO created the serpent IF it wasn't God & WHY would He have made the serpent thee most cunning animal instead of making humans that way? ;)
julzabro 1 month ago
Satan is in all things that die even the stars.
kobidobidog 1 month ago
Satan who is Lucifer fell when iniquity was found in him, and he could not be in Gods presence else Gods light would consume him. That light is hell to the wicked. God is heaven. Honesty will be found in heaven not accusing humans having anything to do with mans legal system. Satan is the father of all lies. He even tries to get humans to commit suicide like Jesus on a high place, and is in all war being the originator of war. You don't see that we die? Adam,and Eve lost their light covering.
kobidobidog 1 month ago
@kobidobidog Understand something. If Lucifer/Satan was created perfect (as the creation of a perfect being must be), then he would have been incapable of iniquity. The idea that a god can create a perfect being and then that being can go wrong is simply ridiculous. If Lucifer was flawed it is because his design and construction were flawed. Therefore his creator is not perfect. If I built a car, and it could only turn one way, the flaw would be my fault, not the car's.
Largo64 1 month ago
@Largo64 Lucifer had a mind of his own, and chose the unthinkable. Humans think the unthinkable too when they do bad to whoever doing to humans what they would not want to be done unto them. The car can't think for its self.
kobidobidog 1 month ago
@kobidobidog The point is, if Lucifer were created without flaw, he would have stayed that way, and so would we. According to your bible, humans were created flawed and then commanded to be perfect. The truly flawed mind is that of the creator. Free will can only exist in a universe without an omnipotent force. The car analogy should prove, to an alert mind, that if something is created that CAN go wrong it is the fault of the creator.
Largo64 1 month ago
@Largo64 Humans were created with a mind to chose. They chose wrong. Humans have the same desire to get more even as Lucifer did. The only way man accepts the illusion of more is to kill Gods gifts.Satan wants to kill Gods gifts. Lucifer instead of being grateful for what God gave him was not grateful at all. You are showing that ungratefulness by cursing God even as Lucifer cursed God. In appearance Lucifer was perfect shining brightly. So did Adam,and Eve, but lost it when they fell.
kobidobidog 1 month ago
@Largo64 You want to be a car without a mind, and without emotion or love. You might as well be as dead as the things that man creates. God wants you to love him, and when you love him all that are around you will also be loved without exception.
kobidobidog 1 month ago
@kobidobidog Love and respect can't be forced, but should be earned. I think an omniscient and omnipotent being could come up with more peaceful ways to achieve that. "Regardless of my actions, love me and accept me or I will leave you to burn forever", just imagine a parent saying that to his children. I think only psycho parents could come up with that kind of crazy stuff. God sends babies to hell right away, as being born is a sin and they never had a chance to get saved.
OhReallyNoWai 4 weeks ago
@Largo64 The accusing Lucifer is in your soul looking out of your eyes speaking through your lips. You must in Christs name rebuke him. When Lucifer fell he was obsessed with himself not in the one who made him. Lucifer was equal in brightness to God himself. God showers every good gift on him, and still he rebelled against God. Humans do the same thing. God showers us with rain, and gives us ever precious gem, good things to eat, and see, but cursing still come out of the lips man.
kobidobidog 1 month ago
@kobidobidog This is what happened. Lucifer was the most amazing angel God ever made glimmering like the precious gems we gawk at spending gobs of money for, but your dog could care less about. Lucifer is in this body looking at those gems through our eye in this body that dies. That is Lucifer in us wanting more. We kill, and make things thinking we get more. Lucifer saw what he was taking his eyes off of the one who made him,and suddenly asked for more, and then He became Satan.
kobidobidog 1 month ago
Nowhere in the story does it say that the serpent was Satan. The text uses the same word to describe the serpent in the garden as any other serpent mentioned in the Biblical writings.
In some respects, the serpent in the Biblical story serves the same purpose as Prometheus did in Pagan mythology. Another thing which Christians consistently fail to recognise is that Satan, as described in the Old Testament, worked for Yahweh. He worked for him as his prosecuting attorney in his heavenly court.
dingodavid 1 month ago
@dingodavid Exactly! The serpent worked for god. In order for the "plan" to be realized it was necessary that humans sin. The deceiver is identified throughout the bible as leading people astray. The deceiver is clearly the devil, and he does only what god allows - or orders him to do. But in this case, the serpent cleverly told the truth. It was god who directly told the lie.
Largo64 1 month ago
@dingodavid 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 (KJV) "10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, THAT THEY SHALL BELIEVE A LIE. 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." God deliberately causes people to believe untruth, in other words lies! His reasons for it don't matter.
Largo64 1 month ago
@dingodavid As you said, Satan worked for god. So every lie he told was on orders from Yahweh. If people were not deceived, if they did not "sin" how could god be justified in damning them? That was the plan all along. Every lie told on god's orders IS a lie told by god. You may want to have it both ways, but you really can't. The serpent's truth served as a lie, and the actual lie was told by god. He said IN THE DAY. It's like threatening your kid with a spanking and not carrying it out. A lie.
Largo64 1 month ago
@Largo64 God doest deceive but he allows those who would rather believe in lies have their lies. So he is not a liar but he does allow lies if a person rather believe them and not God. Sir, you have sold wisdon for such a cheap price.
billywarren22 1 month ago
@billywarren22 You just admitted that god deceives, yet you say he doesn't lie. Are you sure you understand those two synonyms?
Largo64 1 month ago
@Largo64 No he doesnt lie. If you read the passage you would see that the people were already believing the lie God was simply giving them what they wanted just as God may allow a person to continue to do drugs. Those people refered to loved the lie and hated the truth already. It clearly says that the deception was already there by the lawless one( Satan) God was simply giving the people their choice.
billywarren22 1 month ago
@dingodavid Yeah he did until he rebeled against God when he thought himself equal to God. He then was cast out of Heaven him and third of the angels he deceived. So, he is the Father of lies. Dont be deceived.
billywarren22 1 month ago
Bitterness blinds you.
krowtech 1 month ago
DID THEY DIE LARGO???? DID THEY DIE LARGO????DID THEY DIE LARGO????DID THEY DIE LARGO????DID THEY DIE LARGO???? IF YOU DO THIS IN THIS DAY YOU WILL DIE~INTERPRETATION~ IF YOU EAT THIS FUCKING FRUIT YOU WILL DIE.......
YOU'RE NOT A VERY SMART MAN...SORRY.
krowtech 1 month ago in playlist Largo64 on Religion
@krowtech Once again, and slowly, because you are obviously (ahem!) slow: It says IN THE DAY that they ate of the fruit they would die. It specifies a time frame. Since Adam lived more than 900 years according to the text, saying that he would die the same day was a lie! This has been handled over and over again in comments, but you either can't read very well or didn't bother to look.
Largo64 1 month ago
@Largo64 : no no no..Example: If you say to someone "in this day" if you do THIS action...this other action will happen.... You see where I'm coming from?? There is no damn time frame. God simply says "in this day" for the first event.......wow man.
The video should be taken down because you clearly mis-interpreted the passage. You being an atheist, it doesn't surprise me...
krowtech 1 month ago
@krowtech It's obvious that even YOU don't see where you are coming from. IN THE DAY is a time frame. It could not be clearer except to someone who doesn't want to see what is there. You deny what it says because you don't like it. Hey, deny away. You're still wrong.
Largo64 1 month ago
@Largo64 : Oh and btw..I'm no expert on the Bible but living 900 year life span would be a combination of rich and abundant oxygen levels in comination of the ability to reproduce at a high rate to jump-start humanity...ZING! HE SHOOTS...AND HE SCORES!!!!!!
krowtech 1 month ago
No, the words don't necessarily mean what YOU say. It's like if you said, "I'm always right and you are always wrong".
chemerich 2 months ago
@chemerich I said the words mean what THEY say, or they mean nothing. The interpreter here is not I, but you, if you take the scripture to mean anything other than what IT says.
Largo64 2 months ago
@Largo64
The same words can have different meanings depending on the different contexts in which they are used.
chemerich 2 months ago
The trouble with the bible is someone wrote it down, and more than the priests were able to look at it. The apologetic preachers were no longer able to rewrite it up date it. The curtain was pulled back in the temple, and there sat an apologist working to keep Satan alive by condemning academia and its reason. But, for those who consume the body and drink the blood, there is no better pill to quill the thirst for truth.
JusticeIsWhere 4 months ago
great video largo64
JonesTonesGuitar 7 months ago
ok i steel believe in god. i see your point as a alchemist it's good to see all side.
usmcmajormichael 7 months ago
The Father of Lies is Shai'Tan. DON'T FUCKING SAY HIS NAME!!!!
StrictSnow 8 months ago
He meant they would die SPIRITUALLY.....not physically. And the wages of sin are death. Because they sinned the whole human race is born spiritually dead which causes them to physically die. When Eve and Adam sinned, they immediatly became spiritually DEAD.
kristimjlove 10 months ago
@kristimjlove Adding the word "spiritually" is just apologetic bullshit. The bible doesn't say they would die spiritually (which they would have had no way of understanding), but that they would die (which, now that I think of it, they also would have no way of understanding, never having seen death).
Largo64 10 months ago
@Largo64 Amen, no pun.
MrStephenjohnmiller 6 months ago
@kristimjlove Stop making excuses. We all have brains and can think without you. The Bible is a known lie. Get used to it, stop teaching kids this fake crap. I can tell you the actual history of religion and Iesus. The bible is so full of lies there is no apologizing for it.
MrStephenjohnmiller 6 months ago
@MrStephenjohnmiller : I'm sure the only truth in the Bible are the events you wish to be true...right? like the rapings and killings? Those aren't true...are they?
krowtech 1 month ago
I really dont giv a flying. Fuk about bible history period. It is a lot non sense. Like. U are. All just pure twisted bullshit..@krowtech
MrStephenjohnmiller 1 month ago
@MrStephenjohnmiller : You obviously have a low IQ and probably raised on ignorance seeing you can't even spell or use proper grammar......
krowtech 1 month ago
Athey historical events and twisted them into one retarded bunch of bullshit...yes the wars and rapes happened. But not by GOD or anything divine..@MrStephenjohnmiller
MrStephenjohnmiller 1 month ago
they werent supposed to die at all! the human species was meant to live forever no age limit. the devil tricked them out of their immortality the devil told the worst lie EVER!
doctorw2 1 year ago
@doctorw2 It never seems to occur to believers that they endow their god with both omnipotence and omniscience, and then say that something went awry. IF god is perfect, all powerful and all knowing, it is impossible for anything to happen that he didn't plan or foresee. IF god is perfect, his creation could not be less than perfect. IF god is really as described, there is no such thing as free will. It is an illusion. We do have free will, because it's just a story
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64 with power comes responsibility GOD does not need to control every outcome within the parimeters of human existence only when the cosmic balance is infringed on does the creator have to take drastic action. there is no such thing as free will but, there is a moral imperative to reject evil and do good and there is consequences for infringing on cosmic law by doing evil since that is counterproductive to the purpose of creation. adam and eve were told what not to do that is not freewill.
doctorw2 1 year ago
@Largo64 Sir with all due respect when God said you will surly die he didnt mean at that moment but that yes death would come for them. Its like a judge passing sentence on a convicted murderer saying on that of judgement you will surly die. You cant see the truth cuz your father is Satan and you love sin repent sir death could come for you tomorrow or today. God bless sinner.
billywarren22 10 months ago
@billywarren22 You are a hypocrite, Billy. When you say "with all due respect," and then call me a son of Satan and a lover of sin you immediately make yourself a liar. Anyway, there is no way you can know about my character beyond what you assume from my opinions expressed here. Should I infer from your statement here that you are a narrow minded bigot? That's what it looks like. And you came to MY channel to tell me these things. I didn't go to yours and tell you that you are deluded.
Largo64 10 months ago
@Largo64 Sir Jesus himself would call you of your father satan youre either of God or satan and since you try to corrupt Gods word youre of Satan and by the way you only try to corrupt it Gods word is perfect you hate God and love sin. Repent or perish. Farewell. sinner.
billywarren22 10 months ago
@billywarren22 Now do not get unfair. He had a few points in the Video that are right. Did Adam and Eve knew what dead means? I bet you no they did not, they have never seen something dead before and never killed anything before. That means he is right or parts of the Bible are missing. Basicly there are a lot of book NOT included in the Bible because the Catholics did not put them in. And Luther took more out ! Read the rest of the books I would say . Maybe Testament of Adam
Winterfairy777 1 month ago
@billywarren22 So Adam and Eve were mind readers too? Okay
MrStephenjohnmiller 6 months ago
@MrStephenjohnmiller Sir the Bible is Gods word but you have clearly fallen for the line of" Did God really say" spoken by Satan who clearly is your Father. How is the Boble full of lies truth is it is full of facts that have been scientificaly proven.You Sir just hate God but that is your choice. Repent and accept Gods mercy dont and face his wrath. Your choice. God bless and farewell.
billywarren22 6 months ago
I know human and religious history, you clearly do not. You only are repeating what you learned in church. How sad. No one will ever believe you that has half a brain working, do you understand how sick and stupid christians sound to normal people who aren't sociopath liars like you are??. You were lied to and the whole thing is a proven fake story and nothing else.
MrStephenjohnmiller 6 months ago
@MrStephenjohnmiller you know relgious history not truth now yes many people have done some horrible things in the name of god for they did not know the one true living God besides the atheistic regimes have done far more evil. Without Christianity this world would be alot darker. I follow Jesus not relgion so I will Love you as my neighbor and wish you well and may you soon heed Gods warning. Much love and God bless.
billywarren22 6 months ago
How can you lie and claim to believe in something in which you have absolutely zero evidence? You can't, so your lying from severe childhood Trauma and brain washing. I actually feel sorry for you. Satan was an asteroid by the way, the anti-christ too, long before christianity too, google it maybe?They worshiped the Sun before fake messiahs, and asteroids that fooled all mankind were called Lucifer, satan the devil etc. The entire bible is no more than astro-theology. The signs are there! READ!
MrStephenjohnmiller 6 months ago
@billywarren22 Yes the Bible is a collection of Written down stuff by human hand. But it was put together by human and not Jesus. Even Jesus mentions things you can only find in book wich are NOT in the Bible. The holy spirit never punished me for reading the rest of the books that are not in the Bible....it helped me to understand more about the Bible. Anyway..it is on you to blinbly follow some preacher or surch for the truth yourself. god bless you
Winterfairy777 1 month ago
@Winterfairy777 The word was written by man under the inspiration of God and Adam and Eve knew all they needed the most important being to trust God but they didnt so they died in that istantYes, they lived for many more years but died spiritually.
billywarren22 1 month ago
@billywarren22 yep what they forgotten in the Video was that the reason Adam and Eve had to leave garden eden was because of the tree of life . They where not allowed to eat of it anymore. That is why they had to die and they did. Otherwise they would be still walking around..I never met them so I believe they are dead.
Winterfairy777 1 month ago
So you are one for reading words as they are written, it seems to me that they were going to experience physical death anyway, whether they ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil or not, and it seems like God didn't want them eating from the tree of life too. So, maybe the death he was speaking of wasn't physical death, but rather some other form of death as I mentioned before. Just something to mull over. Peace.
CelticWarrior1971 1 year ago
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CelticWarrior1971 1 year ago
Maybe they weren't going to live forever anyway, whether they had eaten of the forbidden fruit or not, because it says in Genesis 3:22 "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"
CelticWarrior1971 1 year ago
I hear what you are saying and you are correct in what the words say. However, it doesn't say what kind of death God was talking about does it? Maybe he was talking in a sense of the man and woman's pure innocence and goodness dying in that very day, and if so, it was NOT a lie, for in that very day, their innocence and pure goodness DID die.
CelticWarrior1971 1 year ago
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for IN THE DAY THAT THOU EATEST thereof thou shalt surely die. NOT THAT THOU EATEST thereof thou shalt surely die IN THAT DAY. The day they eat of it is the day they are guarenteed to die. You are the one that is convincing yourself of something else, not me.
catenadine 1 year ago
@catenadine I apologize for whoever flagged your post as spam. It isn't spam, it's just wrong.
Largo64 2 months ago
@Largo64 No need to apologize. No harm done. :-)
catenadine 2 months ago
Pray for understanding.
catenadine 1 year ago
Well, maybe I am the mother of lies since actually Adam and Eve are not dead. The flesh they lived in for those around 900 years is dead. Their soul is not dead. The flesh HAS TO DIE or BE TRANSFORMED. This robe of flesh I will drop and rise. We see dim now like through smokey glass. God's ways are not our ways.
catenadine 1 year ago
Imaging knowing about evil and living forever. This flesh surely must die. Adam and Eve started dying after they took the bite. Spiritually they knew they were naked, they tried to hide from God, they had to leave the garden and toil the land for food, thorns grew, and they started eating animals, and from fig leaves to animal skins. Hey babe nice rack and so on and so forth and then after dying from that day forward they died. They did die. They are DEAD!!!
catenadine 1 year ago
@catenadine The passage does not say that they would start to die on that day. It says they would die IN THE DAY. You don't see it because you WILL not. But, by the scripture itself, you are wrong.
Largo64 1 year ago
Adam and Eve starting from that day dying. They lived around 900 years and they died. If they would not have eaten of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil they would still be alive. They are now dead. Just like we will be someday dead (or raptured and transformed but the flesh has to die/go). We are surely dying today. After Adam and Eve ate that fruit the ground grew thorns and they had toil. Their spiritual life died because they knew sin and new they were naked (nice rack).
catenadine 1 year ago
@catenadine How many times do I have to say it? An infinite number apparently, because people WILL not see what the book says. It says "In The Day" that they ate from that tree they would surely die. It did Not say they would begin dying and take hundreds of years. It says they would die immediately. They didn't. It was a lie. Also, they did not HAVE souls. The book says that when the breath of life was breathed into Adam's lungs he BECAME a living soul. But you will have it your way.
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64 Adam became a living soul - he has a soul. I will have it God's way. You are interpreting "in the day" incorrectly. The day they eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and EVIL - in the day they now had knowledge about evil and will surely die. In the day they eat they find out about evil and will surely die. Now banned from the garden and the tree of life their flesh dying daily then died. They were ashamed of being naked. God did not say you will die instantly.
catenadine 1 year ago
@catenadine Have it your own way. Apparently you are incapable of understanding the words.You talk of interpretation as if the simple sentence "In the day you eat from the tree . . . you will surely die." means something other than what it says. Its meaning is simple, direct and clear. That you interpret it some other way is nothing but spin. You should work for a politician as a spin doctor. You can reinterpret any lie and turn it in to a truth.
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64 Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for IN THE DAY THAT THOU EATEST THEREOF thou shalt surely die. Gen 3:3b Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. WERE there eyes physically closed before they opened. The day they ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and EVIL (EVIL) they must now die. NOT IMMEDIATELY but yes they died. God does not lie.
catenadine 1 year ago
@Largo64 I fear God in reverence because He is all knowing and wanted the best for us but we found out about EVIL and could no longer live on this earth knowing the knowledge of EVIL. We had to die. When God's wrath smites someone it is justified. You cannot play God and neither can a priest or TV preacher with a private jet. God will judge. Not me. If they ate in the day they ate they would surely die. They did. So be it. :-)
catenadine 1 year ago
@catenadine >>"but we found out about EVIL and could no longer live on this earth knowing the knowledge of EVIL."<<
According to the book god PUT that knowledge of evil in the garden, after having created evil in the first place (Isaiah 45:7). IF god is justified it only proves that might makes right. The choices he makes throughout the bible - both testaments - are not moral or just, but justiFIED by power.
Largo64 1 year ago
sending you a response. not enough room here to respond
Rileyportbay 1 year ago
lets all being mad at god , if you dont believe in god then theres no need to say things about him because youd be in peace, but i do agree with you , the point is god is a fool invented by goverentm to control people ,
jangaplanet 1 year ago
And for all the christians that would say "let's not take it literally, it's just teachings and you have to catch the meaning" .. let's dig into the meaning of that.
You CAN'T eat from the tree of the knowledge ... huh?
So your god wants you to be ignorant fools.
That's what religions want from you believers: SUBMISSION, no questions, no thinking, just obey.
well that sucks to me.
ChristianIce 1 year ago
Adam and Eve lost their eternal souls and condemned themselves to eternal death as opposed to the eternal life they formerly had.
wjcolby 1 year ago
@TrevorNGuitar Your argument is that even though God's exact words didn't come to pass, they still did in an "ultimate" form. If you can take any literal phrase and say it didn't mean exactly what it says, than the Bible can be interpreted to mean anything. Logical people begin with a question and search for proof, not begin with answers and ignore the evidence. As long as you believe anyone who questions the Bible is influenced or repeating the Devil you can't be objective.
joshrbrewer 1 year ago
The snake was supposed to give the fruit of knowledge so we could choose.
Its spiritual maturity.
sweeetly 1 year ago
knowledgeable and wicked...just like god.
theBrownDerby 1 year ago
@TrevorNGuitar Dude, that was pretty good (smile) and makes sense too.
atlasshrugged2u 1 year ago
Die to "Innocence" not in the "literal" sense.
God knew it was going to happen, and it all just had to play out. Who knows why?...I figure we have choices to make and those choices come with consequences good or bad.
God told them not to eat of the fruit, and it was about "obediance" to him, like it or not. So I can understand why people have a problem with that, it's nothing new. Our human nature rejects authority, even God. But for those who choose to live by his will believe in a promise.
atlasshrugged2u 1 year ago
I will become the Father of lies. <3
ernieiscool 1 year ago
Its ashame Adama & Eve didn't eat a crock of shit instead that apple!!
dznutz1971 1 year ago
but the word is that they entered the door of sin and death was their pay THAT DAY.....and remember if they didnt eat of the tree then they would never died.....peace
aramaicpower 1 year ago
@aramaicpower they died because they had to leave garden eden and where not allowed to eat from the tree of lofe again. The fruit from the tree they ate was not the thing that killed them. It was gods will that they will die because they went against his will. That is what he calls sin.
Winterfairy777 1 month ago
@Winterfairy777 life exc. the typo please
Winterfairy777 1 month ago
....but the word is that they entered the door of sin and death was their pay THAT DAY.....and remember if they didnt eat of the tree then they would never died.....peace
aramaicpower 1 year ago
You misunderstand what is my friend ..... when they had eaten out of the tree as sin entered the world...ok?? ... lets say about them would not have eaten out of the tree .... then had them never died........sentence is that if they would not have eaten at all out of the tree...then they would never die.......but theý ate of the tree and they did die......and i know uuu still and still focusing on That Day..
aramaicpower 1 year ago
@aramaicpower I'm focusing on That Day because that's what the book says. You can make it mean anything you like, I suppose. But it says what it says.
Largo64 1 year ago
largo64 you are so wrong...ADAM DID DIE=genesis 5:5....Romans 6:22-23 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.........1.For the wages of sin is death.....2.For the wages of sin is death...3.For the wages of sin is death....do uu get it now!!!
aramaicpower 1 year ago
@aramaicpower You just don't get it do you. Of course he died, as has every living thing in history, eventually. But the lie was telling him that he would die IN THE DAY that he ate the forbidden fruit. That thousand year crap is meaningless, since it wasn't shared with Adam and Eve. What they were told was a deception.
From that day to this, the whole of that god's religion has been a preparation for death, and some supposed reward if you believe certain unreasonable propositions.
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64 "That thousand year crap is meaningless, since it wasn't shared with Adam and Eve. "
How do you know? Did God tell Adam and Eve how to go to sleep at night, wake up in the morning, drink water, etc?
This really isnt that big of a deal. I've noticed most of your videos are against God, the I AM, not Allah, Buddha, Krishna, etc, who are 'gods' but they didn't make you so you don't have problems with them.
I & the other believers reading this love and are still praying 4 you.
swimfan88 1 year ago
@swimfan88 Please don't waste your time and breath praying for me. I may seem to attack the Judeo/Cjristian god because that is the one I grew up with. I don't believe he actually exists, but it is clear to me how much damage the belief in him has done to the minds of those who do. Allah is a god to Muslims, Krishna to Hundus. Buddha is not and never was a god. Buddha was a man called Gautama, who supposedly reached a transcendent state called nirvana. Buddhists hope to achieve it themselves.
Largo64 1 year ago
@swimfan88
Genesis clearly spoke of day and night, so it follows that Adam and Eve understood what a day was.
Just accept that God is the father of lies and also the father of sins.
kingkong8974 1 year ago
@swimfan88 for him it is a big deal because he sees the Bible with open eyes and sees it not like one who believes. He looks ad what god is asking us to do and sees: if you are not with him you are against him and you have no free will. If you use your free will you can end up in helol. Who wants to go to hell? noone so you got to do what god says and believe what he tells you and follow him if you like it or not or u will go to hell. blackmail! That is what he sees.
Winterfairy777 1 month ago
@swimfan88 and if he is right and god said it that why he has a point if you like it or not. If god really said they would die the same day..well they did not. SO he would have lied first. If he did not said that day he did not lied first. Original text translation could show the answer.
Winterfairy777 1 month ago
@Largo64 hm maybe you have a different translation of the text? What Bible do you use?
Winterfairy777 1 month ago
I used the King James Version (KJV), which I wrote in the comment. Sometimes I use the New International Version (NIV), because its more modern English makes some things a little more clear. But my own bible, a Cambridge Edition King James version I've had for almost forty years, hath language that doth make the head spin at times. These days I use BibleGateway with a dot and a com, because it's easier to research with word search, and there are dozens of translations to choose from.
Largo64 1 month ago
Jubilees 17:29-30
29. And at the close of the nineteenth jubilee, in the seventh week in the sixth year thereof (year 930 A.M. ), Adam died, and all his sons buried him in the land of his creation, 8 and he was the first to be buried 9 in the earth. 30. And he lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony
swimfan88 1 year ago
@swimfan88 Again with the "thousand years is as a day with god" nonsense. Neither the bible, nor the Jubilees text you quote says that Adam knew a day to be any more than one cycle of light and darkness. Lacking that knowledge, and being told "in the day," he was deceived.
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64 It didn't say he didn't know a day to be any less than 1000 years either.
swimfan88 1 year ago
@swimfan88 Well, ya pays yer money and ya takes yer choice.
Largo64 1 year ago
The word "day" (yom) does not always mean a 24-hour day. For "one day (yom) is as a thousand years" (Ps. 90:4; 2 Peter 3:8). Adam did die within a "day" in this sense. Further, Adam began to die physically the very moment he sinned (Rom. 5:12), and he also died spiritually the exact instant he sinned (Eph. 2:1). So Adam died in several ways, any one of which would fulfill the pronouncement of God (in Gen. 2:17).
- It is appointed for all men to die then comes judgment. Repent and believe!
AmbassadorOfHeaven 1 year ago
@AmbassadorOfHeaven Nothing in Genesis suggests that god told A&E about that little trick of perception . . . that a day might be as much as a thousand years. And even if he had, their empty minds would not have understood. Had they experienced even one year yet? There's no timeline here. Also, what did "death" mean to them, they never having seen it.
Largo64 1 year ago
cont. Apologists tell me that before the curse, nothing died. Gen. 1:30 says all animals were vegetarian at first. After the fall, I guess animals that had been eating grass began to eat each other. So there were plenty examples of death AFTER Eve pilfered the fruit, but no example before to make the penalty real to the new humans.
"Spiritual death" in this context is just apologetic BS.
Largo64 1 year ago
Like I mention before, How do you know Adam & Eve didn't know what death meant? Don't you think God will explain the concept of death to them. One does not need to see or experience a concept before understanding it. For example you understand the concept of going to Hell. Eventually your Atheism will lead you to Hell. Has anyone that you knew experienced Hell? But you know it will happen. The same with Adam. They knew death but they never seen it.
AmbassadorOfHeaven 1 year ago
@AmbassadorOfHeaven you know what this is the most stupid thing i ever seen. Every time someone died that i knew i look at them and think how can this be? We talked together did this and that now that person is dead. Still today it is something to NOT understand how someone is alife and next minute he is not answering and moving anymore..just gone. And then you tell us they understood if our own brains and hearts today can not believe that terror? The pain to loos someone?
Winterfairy777 1 month ago
@Winterfairy777 we have dead all around us but they never had. There was no way for them to understand unless god showed them.
Winterfairy777 1 month ago
Genesis was written for us not Adam & Eve. Their entire lives is not recorded. How do you know that Adam didn't know what death meant? Everyone is capable of understanding a concept without actually seeing it.
AmbassadorOfHeaven 1 year ago
@AmbassadorOfHeaven Genesis was written ABOUT Adam and Eve. If it was for us to know about them it should have been accurate, true and complete. It is, after all, purported to be the words of the creator himself. He wasn't a very good communicator for a perfect being. Telling us that plants came before the sun doesn't auger well for the correctness to be expected later on.
Largo64 1 year ago
"He wasn't a very good communicator for a perfect being." - Thank You for admitting that He exists. Your hostility proves His existence and your raging heart is at war against Him. Man, your life is almost over. Stop fighting with Him and repent and believe before you stand before Him naked and in terror. You'll be sorry if you don't come to peace with God's terms.
AmbassadorOfHeaven 1 year ago
@AmbassadorOfHeaven I haven't admitted the existence of your god any more than I would be admitting the existence of any other fictional character by referring to him. My hostility proves only my resistance to the actions of people who do believe in his existence. If they would just believe as they choose and leave it at that, I wold say nothing about it. But they feel they have to make everyone else believe as well. That's what the video is about. Have you actually seen it? It's brief.
Largo64 1 month ago
@Largo64 Go int all the world and preach the gospel. Gods comman trumps yours. If you dont like it then why read his word or watch videos of him you so crave him but just cant let go of your beloved sin. Farewel and God bless. Merry Christ-mas.
billywarren22 1 month ago
@AmbassadorOfHeaven knowing and understanding are 2 different things.
Winterfairy777 1 month ago
@Largo64 there empty minds you say..question is what did they know and what not. They could not be empty minds because it is written Adam had to pick names for the animals. And that he took care of them and the garden...so he was not brainless. Also it is written god came to him and talked to him. You can not talk to someone that knows nothing....
Winterfairy777 1 month ago
it looks like largo64 is pissst off at God... so now he's siding with Satan... what a dismal choice
mysticalHeir 1 year ago
@mysticalHeir Siding with Satan? First, Genesis says a serpent (a talking, walking serpent, yes, but not Satan). Then it says very clearly that the serpent told the truth while god lied.
Largo64 1 year ago
pffffff largo what's your problem with our Creator?... look at all of your God hating videos... i'm not gonna split hairs with you
mysticalHeir 1 year ago
@mysticalHeir I don't hate a god that doesn't exist. But I do hate the idea of a god as hateful and cruel as the biblical one.
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64 how can you hate something that doesn't exist? sounds like you do believe in our Creator but for some reason you're just bullshit at him
mysticalHeir 1 year ago
@mysticalHeir As I said, I hate the idea of god. That thought has caused more discord, death and destruction than any other. But it's just a thought - not an actually existing being.
Largo64 1 year ago
There are three aspects to death:- 1)physical death,the separation of the soul from the body. 2) Spiritual death, the separation of man from God,no more relationship as once enjoyed before sin 3) Eternal death, separation of body and soul from God FOREVER. Christ came to give us life,to bring us back to God, FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. Life is the opposite if death,it means UNION.
ballyjames1 2 years ago
You really don't have to shout.
Largo64 2 years ago
I'm sorry Bally. I have no interest in "union" with such an ignorant being that wants me to be ignorant and stupid. This is not love, Satan on the other hand is interested in my intellectual wellness. He wants me to grow. This herein is a lie Bally. God is no Father of mine. Fathers want their sons to learn.
Sambucacat 2 years ago
You say that satan is interested in your "intellectual wellness",and that "he wants you to grow",how is he these things to you? You speak as though there is good in him,beware of wolves in sheeps clothing. He is a deceiver,he does not care for you,or anyone else,but seeks to keep you away from God. Without being reconciled to God through Christ every person will share the same destiny as satan,and satan will do everything in his power to see this happens.Please read Matt 25v31-46 Rev 20v10-15
ballyjames1 2 years ago
Oh this is a simple answer... God forbids I eat from the "Tree of Knowledge". Therefore, God doesn't want me to know things. What kind of father doesn't want their kids to learn things? It's the greatest expression of love they could give their children... the self esteem of learning. Don't tell me you don't like learning things Bally. You use the INTERNET, and I know you're not on here for adult material.
Therefore Satan wants me to learn to enlighten myself. God wants me to be ignorant.
Sambucacat 2 years ago
Adam and Eve took of the tree of knowledge of good and evil because satan LIED about what the outcome would be,and by doing what he said what knowledge did it give them?They KNEW that they were naked and became afraid of the God who created them because they had sinned against Him.The knowledge of good and evil God only can understand perfectly,Adam and Eve gained this knowledge by becoming sinners without the power to always do good,evil being the greater power as we see in all people today.
ballyjames1 2 years ago