It used to be common knowledge that Nubian temples were far older than Egypt.... Wonder why that info changed. It seems to support the new age bullshitters theories as they try to seperate Egypt from Afrikan people. Shame.
The only reason Egypt continue to be a debate today is because Black Africans actually Built it. An in a world designed by White Supremist(Not white people but white supremist) they cannot accept what they use to enslave us actually come from us.
@estorpai Blacks also were the Olmecs (Mandinka-Shi), Cambodians, first Chinese, and first of many other cultures, which is why they are not in HISTORY books.
People think Egypt sprung up out of nowhere, like it don't take centuries to develop the science needed to build stone pyramids in alignment with the Earth standing over 400 feet in the sky. The knowledge came from the south
@Alara0625 They claim the civilization SPRUNG out of nowhere to disconnect it from the Nubians and other black tribes who had been dwelling in the land hundreds of thousands of years before any white colony ever existed.
AFRKTODAY you are a a idiot and a typical dum naive African. Thats why you people always get exploited by outsiders. You people just don't get it, YOU ARE NIGGERS!! Many of the Europeans and Asians who are there exploiting your resources see you as this and as a monkey. I'm sorry to break the news. Africans should stop turning on one another and try working together for a change.
@jamrock1ful Hey Jam rock hiding behind a keyboard. Come to the Levi's store in San Francisco and ask for Cory and I'll knock that word back down your throat like my father told me to. Don't bother replying, just show up ready to fight. Isn't "...Jamrock" a reggae song. Take the leash off your women and read a book before you decide to involve yourself in something in grown folks business
Hey, I got a (good) idea!? Get the current LIVING PROPHET of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (the Mormons) to translate the Nubian stuff. Then they can have another "LIVING TESTIMONY" OF THE BOOK OF MORMON, BOOK OF ABRAHAM, AND...? LOL
hey listen at 0:23- 0:30 and you will know why pale ape./human hybrids we call crakkkers could NOT have had anything to do with nubia or kemet(egypt). Listen to what the narrarator says: "In the BURNING sands of northern africa, beneath a HOT, DESERT SUN a powerful kingdom thrived...." See those words ive emphasized? "BUrning". "HOT", "desert" and "SUN"? Ya see, crackers are devoid of the divine, sun protector called MELANIN. They burn badly in the BURNING SUN
Dat's right, chilluns, we was dee E-jipshuns! We built da pyramids and shit. We da superior race. But mammy, den why we livin in a tin shack an gittin food stamps to use for crack an you be out hoein all day? Cause dem muhfukin white devils came to africa and took our special powers away and messed with our minds. Now git yo asses back to beds.
egiptians are fucking middle eastern closer in relation to the ancestery of africans, you bunch of morons. read a fucking book!! im so sick of wankers leaving coments on subjects they no nothing about.
Even if nubia or meroe fell the fact the people down the line eventually defeated the beja people from what history books are suggesting. My mom is of ethiopian descent and my dad is sephardi jew. I read up alot of history book. I did know the Axumite empire did eventually had an impact there. But it was not the main reason why nubia fell. Other factor play a role not just one set of people who themself were native to the land call the beja.
I ger so mad when I see Imposters claiming other peoples heritage. The distinction may be subtle for the foreign eye. but these are Black arabs(who admit it when it suits them). Nubians are black with very tiny(tight) curls in their hair. I know coz I am one. Imposters!!
I am tired of people fighting over the senseless concept of race. I prefer the term Nation. A nation is the culmination of the family entity and it is important to regard every civilization within the confine of its Nationality. When people state that "Egyptians" were not Blacks, I find it funny because its immediate neighbors were Kushites and Nubians Nations? Did egypt drop out of the sky within that regional confine? Maybe the Nubians and kushites were not blacks either! ?????
North Africa was once ruled by Caucasians, at least in part. Blond haired Caucasian skulls are have been found in the tombs of pharaohs and leading military men. Blond haired and blue eyed statues and paintings have been found. Red headed mummies, even.
Ever heard of the vandals and visigoths? They ruled North Africa for close to 300 years after the fall of the Roman empire! That what the current inhabitants of the Magreb are calld "Berber" or barbarians!
LOL you tell him bro. I think these caucasiod really think black people or any other people than them are stupid. That's the propaganda they try to sell black people. That's why you see those berbers cover up their skin from the sun so much. It's too hot to handle. Most of modern day africans are either a mixture of black and white with a few iranian, syriac arabs and other form of lighter skin people who came there long after egypt and nubian kingdom fell. Selam
@3R3MITE Yes but they were not white as you we find white people in North Africa...there DNA clearly shows that they have nothing to do with european, phenotype is not dna or blood, or common ancestry. White africans are more related to black africans deal with it.
we were the one's that brought nubia down and destroyed everything..THATS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE NUBIAN MESS WITH OUR BEJA COUSINS...NOT FOR THE FIRST TIME EITHER we destroyed 17th dynasty egypt to the ground and burned everything...moral of the story nubians/jalaba/darfurians DONT MESS WITH EAST SUDANESE BEJA WE WILL RAIN FIRE AS THEY HAVE A HOT HEADED WARRIORS RELATIVES SOUTH OF THEIR BORDERS AND WILL BURN ANYONE THAT MESSES WITH OUR BEJA COUSINS UP NORTH.
Are you a comedian? LOL you're just a fony white ass man trying to claim some nonsense. Get the hell out of here with that crap. Go back to europe too.
Who created that fairytale? The beja are nubians didn't you know that? They are still bejas in sudan today. Plus most of what we read about history is europeon interpetation. Since it's them who write and fabricate the history book in their own way. They claim christianity came to ethiopia around the 4th century, evidence prove it's much more later like 6th century. Plus Even if what you said is true, after your so call beja sack it, the people split the kingdom of nubia in 3 parts.
do u relaise where im from moron?u try to tell a beja he is a nubian and he would stick the sword he carries around his shoulder up ur a** moron...u r an africocentric moron...from halaib along the east coast of the nile to southern eritrean are same ancestory and diffrent from nubians..noba are related to the nilo and chadic groups you dont even speak any of these languages to know...when u go to egypt with ur iphone and ur camera make sure u never say to ababda or bisharin beja they r nubians.
The only one that can understand those words, is a black person that haves overome colonial mentality and also any kind of religious mentality, somebody who is spiritual free and is proud of being who he is, that´s somebody race by God.
The messiah told us not to call him christ but that his proper title is Messiah. All muslims believe in me. Read the injiyl. It is the book of Revelation.
These dark skinned arabs/muslims are from the north, killing the real natives who are in the south now. Just like them fake ass arab/Eygptians disrepecting since the invasion.
This is so racist!! they are attwempting to say that the egyptians were not black!! You look at egypt! its in Africa, but they are not african!! poor, poor white people!!
has anyone noticed that the nubians are clearly depiced as black people but egyptians are always portrayed as white or arab. even thought it's only a few miles north on the same continent. that really bothers me.
The carving she describes at the very last of this segment is very similar in appearance to the Magician of the Tarot, as are other ancient Sudanese depictions.
Maybe the Tarot isn't so much from Egypt as always been alleged, but rather more from ancient Sudan,..
The symbol at the end also seems to be saying "As above, so below."
it is not your country!!! it is my country!! this tempels are in north sudan and not in south sudan, in southsudan there are just a bush and naked bush christian men like you. but bashir has the power he is the king in hope he kill all of you
I thought Nubians were crying that they were being kill by Bashir too. You are either a fake Nubians or stupids arabs..What do you know about Nubia!.There is King Tut and there are alot of tut in Southern Sudan..King Piankhi or Tirkaha don't sound Nubians do they..let's just say that you immigrated to Sudan..we are the Nubians and of course the real Nubians too. I can translate Tirkaha in Dinka..it mean living or staying!! We left because of the desert stupids!!
GBU MR.SALAH.You are great man.Our children will be proud of you.Keep on the great job.We are great nation one day and we will be again the leader .We have roots and history, some nations used ours and cheated the world. Many ugly and dairty ideas came when we are not serious enough. IT is time to wake up sudanese all of you as one great nation as before.Love each other and get up the sun always shine on you.Push the dark to where back to that iland which is full of sand and no ideas
The arabs are invaders, they have no homeland any more than a cockroach does. They are STILL trying to justify their presence in Egypt because they know they invaded and have been squatting there for centuries.
And arab who says I'm wrong prove your degnerate ancestors built the pyramids, or introduced Amun-Ra to the world. Prove you were there before 638AD.
Can you produce ANY similarites between yourselves and Egypt? No! Shows how pathetic you feel that you cling to a lie Hollywood invented.
@j1607760 The Arabs have a homeland, it's called Arabia. The Egyptians have one called Egypt, which they never left, despite becoming culturally Arabized. Those present in Egypt are in the majority of cases the descendants of people who have been there since time immemorial. Proof comes from antropological studied focussing on dental morphology, from the lack of historical evidence of population displacement, and from their resemblance of fourth dynasty statues & images old as the pyramids.
Nonsenses! Ask the true egyptians, the black Nubians! They are the only and true descendants of egypt. The others, the semites are a mixtures of invaders from various barbaric Nations like the Grecs, Mammluks, Arabs, europeans, Jews, Turks and so forth. How ridiculous is it to even claim that nonsense given the perpetual foreign invasion of the territory of egypt over 3000 years! That a population! It is akin as saying that the TURKS built CONSTANTINOPLE!
@AFRIKTODAY The Nubians were always the enemies of Egypt and for a longer period the subjects than the masters. The Copts who represent the whole spectrum of Egyptian population, have no Arab blood, and are the purest heirs of the pharaohs, but most of the Muslims in Egypt are likewise of ancient Coptic (Egyptian) descent. The black Nubians are nothing to do with Egypt. Don't believe bullshitters like Radio1. I am sick of ignorami like you speaking on this topic as if they know anything.
The Nubians were never the enemies of Egypt since egypt, or to put it in its right perspective, Kemet, was the child of Ta-Seti, the first nome from which Narmer or Aha had sprung from.! If you think that I need to watch some ridiculous videos on youtube to get my education, you have a long way to go buddy!
All the egyptians revolution, after the foreign invasions had come from Nubia, the south, ALL! Today's arab have little to do with Egypt!
@AFRIKTODAY Egypt was born out of a fusion of migration from North African, and the Middle East and beyond, as well as the south. The oldest mummies and statues reveal the same charactaristics as the present Egyptians. Copts have no Arab blood yet are ethnically same as Muslim Egyptians, proving the latter not Arabs. By blood type and DNA the pharaohs of the 18th dynasty seem closer to Celts tham to Nubians. After the foreign invasions (which inclded a Nubian one) Egyptians remained in Egypt.
@rahotep101 Egypt was never the fruit of any fusion whatsoever! Egypt was and still is an African civilization. There is no testimony, in the formation of egypt of any eastern infusion or Northern european infusion. The Ancient egyptian were clear in their texts of their origin. African, from the South! The North was seeing as wild and barbaric! All the earliest and oldest artifacts are from Ta-Seti, in today's Nubia! Don't be an hypocrite!
The Copte are mongrels! The fruits of admixture between egyptian and Greeks steaming from Alexander's invasion of Egypt! That's very simple to understand when one's knows history! The ridiculous thing about people like you is your lack of honesty! What in the world do you mean by " purest heirs" when semitism is itself of form of mongrelization? This is beyond ridiculous! Slaavo Paabo of Sweden has shown in his paper, beyond irrefutable doubt that ancient egyptian were BLACKS!
@AFRIKTODAY If the Copts are mongrels so was Ancient Egypt. It's ironic that most of the simpletons accusing the Copts of being mongres are themselves the mongrel descendants of banu slaves and European slave-owners! Many Copts are found in all parts of Egypt, some with quite dark complexions. The Greeks in Egypt generally formed a distinct community, retaining their own language, traditions and religion (later the Greek and Coptic Churches were in schism). There was relatively little mixing.
I find it amazing though, that for most of their history, today's descendants of mamluks, turks, greeks, eastern europeans and other foreign people are claiming a civilization that they have tried to destroy by all means! Explain to me this issue:
Why did the terrorists who killed Anwar Sadat claim in their letter: WE KILLED PHARAOH? And how do you explain the fact that Sadat had claimed that he was the FIRST TRUE EGYPTIAN RULER IN 2000 YEARS?
@AFRIKTODAY The people who killed Sadat were enemies of Egypt and of civilization in general. I don't think I need to explain their motives as we are still plagued with that sort. 'Pharaoh' tends to represent a generic tyrant in Biblically derived Koranic thought. Many people have taken a sledge hammer to their own heritage for different reasons: the Protestants, the French and Russian and Chinese revolutionaries... the list goes on. It doesn't mean it was any less their heritage to wreck.
You have not answered my question though! How do you explain that Anwar Sadat, whose mother was a "Nubian" considered himself the first egyptian ruler in 2000 years?
Anyway, with all the populous movement that occurs in wars and invasion, it is amazing that a rational mind like you will claim to the fact that today's egyptian are the descendants of the of Narmer and Imhotep! This is a joke! The egyptian fled in the south and later spread into the continent of africa!
@AFRIKTODAY What is a joke is the idea that there was a mass migration out of Egypt into black Africa, where, it seems, these great Egyptians eventually forgot every civilized art. The truth is that the Egyptian people stayed in Egypt living under foreign rulers following the same pattern of life as they had under the pharaohs. The only people who believe that Egyptians fled south and then spread through the continent are insecure black Americans desperate to contrive a glorious ancestry.
The black Africans have not forgotten their egyptian cultures; if you care to research, the obvious will be clear to the naked eye. You also forget, as you claim, that many Africans cultures have also been victim of arabic and western influences and many are christians, muslim and even Judaic! Your intellectual shallowness is quite amusing for a speudo-intellect! Egypt and Nubia formed a continuous politico-cultural system that is still alive, deep in Nubia the rest of africa.
First of all, the copts are not an "ethnic" but a church! The oldest christian church! Copts are not a tribe! All the testimony depict the mixture between Egyptians and Greeks, starting during the plotlemaic reign! THEY MARRIED AND EMBRACED ALL EGYPTIAN TRADITIONS!
The fact that the "copts" are not Arabs and darks actually show how they have managed to avoid to a certain degree admixtures with semites!
Egypt is African and still alive in ALL africa today! Semitic invaders are NOT!
@AFRIKTODAY The copts are a religio-ethnic group whose very name means Egyptian hand whose liturgy preserves the ancient language. They they have been all but genetically fossilized at least since the 7th C. Islamic conquest. Copts look much like the rest of the Egyptian population, even so, being lighter in the north and duskier in the south of the country. It goes to show that the Muslims aren't primarily Arabs either except in cultural terms.
@rahotep101 The coptic language is a Greecized version of ancient egytian! The amazing facts here is that coptic is not a semitic language nor european but rather an African language similar to many sudanese, senegalese, central africans languages! That's a fact that cannot be ignored! Despite the separation, the linguistic link clearly establish the fusion of many african cultures with the Nile valley! So, claiming that ancient Kemet was "different" from Nubia is an intellectual lie!
@AFRIKTODAY Berber languages are also indigenous to Africa but it doesn't make them a black race. Coptic and Semitic are both classified as Afroasiatic languages. I've never seen any demonstration of other African languages owing much to Egyptian. The fact remains that Egypt and Cush were different ethnically and linguistically, and that for the greater period of time the latter was little more than a colony of the former.
Berber language is ' NOT" indigenous to Africa! Your lack of linguistic knowledge makes you prone to false assertion. Berber is "barbarian" for all the multiple Nations that have surplanted each others in Northern Africa! There is alot of germanic relationship in berber! There is NO such a thing as AFROASIATIC system! Egyptian is NOT semitic but rather much more connected with MOST african languages! The wolof speakers for exemple can translate egyptian word by words!
@rahotep101 No cultures appears in the vacuum! The egyptian civilization was the continuity of a cultural and civilizatory process that had been taking place in AFRICA for thousands of years! The ancient egyptian were children of the migratory waves that pushed the ancient population of the once humid and wet SAHARA toward the East and the Nile were the found the best possible circumstance to build continue the legacy of their ancients. The vacuum theory of history is NONSENSICAL.
@rahotep101 The berber language is hard to classify but it is no a semitic nor an African language. Northern Africa has been under the influence of countless diverse and different cultures over thousands of years and the berber language is simply the hot-podge of all these influence. There is for exemple of lot of germanic and latin terms in the berber languages, as well as many africans. There is NO LINK whatsoever between berber and EGYPTIAN!
@AFRIKTODAY The Greeks did not mix with Egyptians much. None of the Ptolemies even bothered to learn Egyptian for 300 years before Cleopatra. In Christian times the Greeks and Egyptians still spoke their own languages and their churches were in schism. The Coptic Christians suffered persecution from the Chalcedonian Orthodox Greeks who branded them Monophysite heretics. Not much opportunity for mixing!
The greeks embraced egyptian religions and cultures! The center of greek civilization was egypt, not even greece for many centuries! Greek arts, its language, philosophy and science is egyptian! What do you mean by not mixing? As a matter of fact, how do you know that? Are you trying to tell me that the Turks did not mix with Byzantians and that today's turks are the original builders of constantinople? You cannot ignore historical movement and the effects of wars!
@AFRIKTODAY If you go from the Egypian galleries into the Greek ones in the British Museum you are struck by the very different character of the sculptures and architectural features. The Greeks had a completely different set of priorities. Greek art exhibits an idealized naturalism, Egyptian art is much more formal and formulaic. I'm not saying there was never any mixing in Greek Egypt, nor in Turkish Greece, but after 400 years of Turkish rule the Greeks remained Greek. Same goes for Egyptians
Total nonsense! The influence is glaring if you dare to analyze the evolution of the MEDITERANEAN BASIN architecture! It is clearly established on egyptian principles! The joke is that, the so-called egypto-semites do not recognize the influence of the egyptian civilization all over the western world when in fact all modern SCIENCES, AND ARTS can be traced on ancient egypt.
@AFRIKTODAY The second foundational falsehood of Afrocentrism is that Greek culture, philosophy, architecture etc. was derived from Egypt. Early Greek sculptire did owe something to Egypt but the golden age of Greece only occurred when quite independently Greeks broke away from these traditions and developed classical realism. Greece was different from Egypt in many ways, its culture, its politics, its prejudices. Not always for the better.
Utter garbage! Once again you depict your absolute ignorance! All the research of concluded that the Minoans, pre-hellenic culture was indeed a colony of Egypt and its culture was heavily Egyptian and Canaanite influenced! Just care to READ the ancient! Pythagoras, Thales, Plato, socrates and many influential Greeks all studied in Egypt! Just care to read their texts rather than regurgitating eurocentric crap!
@rahotep101 Why are you so fixated on Afrocentrism? The first authors to credit the Egyptians with the origin of Greek science were the Greeks themselves. Herodotus, Plato, Pythagoras, Thales, Aristotle, all of them either claimed or were reported to have studied in Egypt for many years.
It is now well known that the Pyramid text shows all the methods of geometry credited to the Greeks and it's 2k years older than the Greeks.
You need to research more. Your arguments are laughably dated.
@iArsalan The dimensions of the pyramids also seem to reveal knowledge of Pi, but these mathematical things can be discovered independently, and the Greeks don't need to have got them from Egypt. It doesn't requie the divine intervention of Thoth insceribing them on stone. Furthermore if all this ancient learning was African in origin how come there is so little sign of it in that continent beyond Egypt and its sphere of influence?
What do you mean by " little sign of it beyond egypt?" You are clearly showing your lack on knowledge here my friend. You obviously know nothing about Great zimbabwe, Ile Ife, Ghana empire that lasted from the 3st Ad to 13 th century and gave birth to Mali and Songhay, you surely don;t know much about the Bakongo empires, the Yoruba city " CONSTITUTIONAL STATES"...etc. I don't even want to go into further detail with someone who fails to do his historical homework.
Let's look at Greece and its emergence in the 7th or 8th century BC! Greece was a collection of warring city-States, born out of continual invasions and destruction. A civilization that accepted slavery, the inferiority of WOMEN, homosexuality and infanticide! The greek influence grew with the conquest of Alexandre of EGYPT and disapeared AFTER the destruction of the plotlemaic reigns on egypt! How long did that LAST? NOTHING!
@AFRIKTODAY Exactly, Greede in many respects owed little to Egypt. Slavery did exist in Egypt, although there were not slave markets. Certainly women had more rights and respect in Egypt, and there is not the evidence of homosexual culture - or infanticide (unless you believe the bible). So how can people claim Greece got its culture from Egypt?
When did I say that Greece got its culture from egypt? I say the greek civilization was influenced by egypt and phoenicia. greek science, greek architecture, greek religion, script and so forth. The greeks were barbarians until they discovered the wonders of egypt and their greatest mind came to egypt to try to " learn". With the conquest of Alexander, they were now officially allowed to settle in egypt and ingurgitate its millenial civilization. Come on now dude!
Who is fixated on afrocentrism? And what do you define as Afrocentrism? You are the one claiming that my arguments are afrocentric when I am merely basing my argumentation on the fact themselves! Herodotus for exemple depicted the egyptian as blacks! Maybe you should read his geography! Diodorus recount his discourse with the Nubian and their claims about Egypt as one of their colony! Maybe you should check his books too! The matter is to focus on documentation, not ideology.
@iArsalan It is with the military conquest of Egypt by alexandre that Greek emerge into civilization and Greek immigrants begin to settle in egypt and "study egyptian sciences and arts" That is a fact! Thales Studied in Egypt, Plato, all the pre-socratics, and many others ' GREAT GREEKS'! There was a transfer of knowledge frome egypt not the Greeks! Not in Greece itself, where knowledge was rejected ( death of socrates, banishment of Plato and others), but in EGYPT.
@AFRIKTODAY Greece's finest moments were already behind it when Alexander invaded Egypt in 332BC. Homer died c. 800 BC, Thales of Miletus d. 548, Pericles 429, Socrated d. 399, Plato 357, Aristotle 322. The library of Alexandria was founded after Aristotle's death, and most of its contents were in Greek. Plato probably never went to Egypt. I don't doubt that Greeks learned what they could from Eyptian sages but it wasn't a one-way street.
Thales studied in egypt, the presocratic all went to egypt to study, plato studied in egypt, Aristotle was influenced by egyptian thought throughout all his works. Egypt was th university of the world in as much as many people, me included come to the US to the best universities these days. By the way, the Kemiou ( egyptian) had many great libraries. The egyptian disliked alexandria, it was a barbarian town in their land. A greek settlement!
@rahotep101 My main problem with people like you is that you consider history from a static interpretation. How fallacious is this! Look at all the invasions in history! They come with human destruction and even extermination, migration waves and flights...etc! It is amazing for someone to claim that with all the repetitive foreign attacks on egypt since 650 bc, the ancient native populations have not " budged" in 2500 years and have survived up to this day in arabic speaking semites!
@AFRIKTODAY Arabic *speaking* is the thing, and it's an Egyptian Arabic with numerous peculiarities. Copts speak Arabic in daily life too, but are not Arabs. These are not the descendants of outsiders. Egyptians often have their local saints, Christian or Islamic, with their shrines and festivals, taking the place of the local gods they used to have. Such practices reveal the underlying continuity, despite the importation of monotheism, and the closing and ruination of the old temples.
Arabism is a concept that has been broadened well past its Sabaan-arabic foundation in the middle East! The issue here is that most of today's Egyptian, in the northern part in particular are NOT natives of that land but rather the offspring of the various people that have INVADED that country over 2000 years! The remaining sons of the pharaoh are not the Arabs but the Nubians and you know that deep in yourself! Just ask any Nubian if you dare!
@AFRIKTODAY The Nubians (along with the Syrians) are the people the pharaohs depicted as bound captives on the bottom of their sandals, so that they could symbolically crush them with their every step. Egypt did its share of invading and accounts tell of the Egyptians bringing slaughter and subjugation to Nubia. Later Nubians turned the tables but this was not how things were for the longest time.
@rahotep101 The first pharoah, Narmer, was a Nubian! Am I lying here or are you being dishonest? The fact of the matter is that even the pre-dynastic king, The Heru kings of the so called Nagada period were all from the south, from inner Africa. All the legends, accounts of the Greeks and Romans state the origin of egypt from the Ethiopians, Nubia! As a matter of fact, Nubian considered Kemniou ( Egyptians) one of their colonies that went north! That's all!
@AFRIKTODAY That very thing is stated even in this video, which you don't seem even to have watched, i.e, that the Nubians started off as adversaries, were subjugated, and then took Egypt themselves. You seem to think foreign invasions made Egyptians less like the Nubians, whereas actually one of the most complete occupations was by Nubians themselves, so if anything there was an opportunity for Egypt to be Nubianized. Nubia was a great civilization, but it was not Egypt.
The Nubian never started off as adversary of egypt since all the civilizatory process of egypt came from Nubia! Doesn't make any sense! I am not an Egyptian worshipper in any sense, and I dislike absolutism which was a characteristic of egyptian kingship that was "LATER EMBRACED BY EUROPEAN KINGS IN THE 12TH century". But, Nubia, the mother of egypt was revolting from the centralized control of the god-king of KEMET! That's all!
I READ THE BOOKS BY HERODUS, DIODORUS, PLATO,...ETC
@rahotep101 Egypt is still vividly alive in Africa, especially in the western part despite the conversion to islam and christianity: For exemple, many west africans names are egyptians and have meanings in that language: Sow, Bah, KamaRa, Imani, DoukouRe, SanKhare, Sankara, Toumani, Ka...etc The populations of Senegal speak a language that is closely affiliated to today's Coptic and ancient egyptian. Some people can ACTUALLY READ THE HIEROGLYPHICS!
@AFRIKTODAY Egypt is indeed still vividly alive in Africa, specifically in the part north of Lake Nasser. There is no evidence whatsoever of a mass Egyptian migration into black Africa, as I keep having to remind you people, nor of any extermination within Egypt of the supposed original population. This is because the original population still inhabit that land. Senegal where Diop came from is culturally and geographically further from Egypt than Ireland is.
You re indeed a simple minded individual! The lake Nasser is the biggest ARTIFICIAL LAKE in the world! What is laying the below that lake is the legacy of Tas-Seti and all the most ancient artifacts of ancient Egypt in this ancient Nubian settlement whose population have been demoted by the Arab egyptian State! How contradictory indeed you are for you fail to recognize "Human actions" and malfeasance! Sorry but your arguments do not hold.
@AFRIKTODAY I know Lake Nasser is an artificial lake, I don't recall saying otherwise. You can claim what you like to be buried under it, but the major temples to be rescued (Abu Simbel) were built by victrious Egyptians to stamp their mastery on the south.
@rahotep101 I thing you are an hypocrite and a self deluded person who knowingly understand that his most direct ancestors are Mamluks, turcs or Greeks! You cannot ignore you "true" genetic background just because you happen to be live in the Land of Kemet. Turcs know very well that Constantinople was built before they "invaded" that Land. Spanish know that the Machu pichu was not built by Cortex, but you dare to claim that Mamluk invaders, Arabs semites are the native of Egypt? Seriously!
@rahotep101 I am very warry of eurocentric academia in ALL SUBJECTS! This has nothing to do with the pseudo afrocentrism or whatever people want to call it. Western scientific analysis has done tremendous harm to billions of people and culture for centuries while justifying the most horrible crimes in the name of SCIENCE. The beauty of intelligence is the ability for a free mind to CHECK THE FACTS! That's what Africans are DOING TODAY AND WINNING! Do your own homework!
@AFRIKTODAY I'm all for checking the facts. Tell that to the people saying Aristotle stole Egyptian texts from the Library of Alexandria (which wasn't even built at the time of his death), or that Napoleon shot the negroid nose off the sphinx, when actually the statue was defaced by a medieval Sufi, or that Egyptians called white people Typhonian devils, when actually Typhon is a greek word and the 'evil' god Set was associated with Nubuians as well as Hyksos, and that both allied against Egypt.
@rahotep101 I am not sure about what you are talking about! The Nubian worshipped Amun, before the egyptian and well after the destruction of Kemet by nomadic barbarian from the east! I have no knowledge about the defecation of the sphynx nose, or aristotle stealing books from alexandria! That's isn't of much importance with regard to the historical continuity of ancient egypt. Egypt is WELL alive today in Africa! Most west African names are egyptian in character: Sankhare, Ka-Ma-Ra, Ka, Bah.
The Arabs mixtures of Mamluks, turks, middle Easterners, Greeks, Jews, europeans of today's Northern egypt in particular ARE NOT the native, and have never been the native population of egypt. Inferring this is insulting historical development and especially in an area where so much invasion and conquest has taken place over 2500 years. Sorry buddy, but the real Egyptian are black Africans and Nubians, not arabs whose current customs and traditions stands opposed to Egypt itself.
@AFRIKTODAY That conclusion is simply obtuse, disregarding the fact that most of the foreign conquerors set up regimes that had little daily contact with the indigenous peoples. The Egyptian, Greek and Jewish quarters of Alexandria were quite clearly demarcated and there wasn't a great deal of mixing. Any widespread population change post Islam is disproved, as I say, by the presence of the Copts. Yo really must quit slandering the real Egyptians, it isn't nice.
@rahotep101 My friend, you are ridiculous; and I am saying that with the utmost respect and consideration. Over 2500 years of continual, perpetual invasions and you dare here, a logical intelligent man, tell me that no mixing occurred, no population migration took place! You are trying to rewrite logic here. Migrations have occured throughout history; even today in the Middle East, palestinians, Irakis and other nations under the joug of imperialism are flying their homeland.
@rahotep101 The conqueror had little contacts over 2500 years! Really? Is that even logical to you! Let's analyze a bit your sentence here: The Persians, the Greeks, the Romans, the Arabs, the Turks, the Mamluks, the English, the French, the Jews and a wide variety of population have attacked Egypt over 2500 years in WARS. Famine, pestilence, diseases, epidemics ( the latest one occuring early in the 20th century)...etc and for some reason, NONE BUDGED! NOBODY FLED!
@AFRIKTODAY Clearly the Egyptian population was little affected by the Persian occupation. The Persians were kicked out by the Greeks without problem and Egyptian culture went on to flourish for centuries, building traditional temples covered with the old writing, served by the old priests. Even if Egypts modern inhabitants only descend from Ptolemaic Egypt they're the scions of a greater civilization than anything else Africa. The fact remains that they go back way further, no exodus occurred.
@rahotep101Your arguments lack scientific depth. Your veer into emotional rhetoric instead of focusing on the object of our discussion: The Offspring of Kemet. " What do you mean by : Even of modern egyptian inhabitant descent from Ptolemaic Egypt.."? Are you recognizing the fact that Greeks seek to mingle with egyptian, marrying their women and embracing their religions? Well, you know better!
@AFRIKTODAY No, it was an 'even if', I don't accept the Afrocentrist idea of the origin of the Copts. The Copts are the descendants of the Ancient Egyptians. I don't think Greek rule impacted greatly on the genetic makeup of Egypt, any more than, say, Turkish rule did upon Greece.
You say " you do not think"! It has nothing to do with your thinking but with the facts!
Well look at Greek people today and tell me that there has not been any admixture with the Turks, whom themselves are an asiatic people in origin who have mingled with various Nations, and are still doing so up to now. Let just follow your logic quite a bit here: The Mongols did not mixtes with Russians, Eastern europeans. The Americans did not mixtes with Natives Americans nor did the spanishs
@AFRIKTODAY No Turk converted to Greek Orthodoxy and decided to identify as a Greek after the subjugation of Greece to the Ottoman Empire. It would make no sense to. The offspring of a Muslim can't be raised as a Christian. Apostacy is illegal under Islamic regimes. How, then, can a Greek Christian have Turkish roots? Impossible. Similarly no Copt in Egypt can have the blood of Muslim foreigners. As the Copts in Egypt are nonetheless the same ethnically as the rest of the population, go figure.
@rahotep101 How scientific! I mean, do you read yourself at time!
Are you implying that at war, people don't migrate, no rapes occur, no genocides take place? I mean, where is your logic. You simply do not make any sense! War and imperialism is violence and the worst sorts of barbarism occur at time of imperialism. This is beyond childish here!
For the people of colchis are evidently Egyptian, and this I perceived for myself before I heard it from others. So when I had come to consider the matter I asked them both; and the Colchians had remembrance of the Egyptians more than the
Egyptians of the Colchians; but the Egyptians said they believed that
the Colchians were a portion of the army of Sesostris. That this was
so I conjectured myself not only because they are dark-skinned and have
@rahotep101 the women make water standing up and the
men crouching down.
This is quite disgusting but yea, especially among West Africans, which I am not, men tend to crouch to piss. I myself have found this strange since I am mainly from central Africa and my culture is dominated by christianity. But, reading Herodotus, I can help but been amazed by the continuity in habits, whether good or bad among west African and the similarities with ancient Kemet.
@AFRIKTODAY The Mameluks didn't invade, they were bodyguards for the Ayyibids who seized power with a coup. They were of Georgian and Kipchak descent and remained a caste unto themselves, not mixing. They ruled Egypt until Napoleon, latterly under the nominal authority of the Sublime Porte. The French, British & Albanians didn't mix, the insular Jews likewise. Arabs and Fatimids contributed no DNA to the Copts, yet the Copts are still ethnically identical to Egypt's Muslims.
@rahotep101 All the above mentioned population were " foreign aggressors", whether they invaded the country or came under the joug of some other power. What matters here is this:" Egyptian fled south fleeing the barbarians!
Herodotus recount the story of the 250,000 deserters named " ASMACH" who revolted from the Persian king Psammetichos and went to seek refuge under the Ethiopians further south! Did someone told me here that the EGYPTIANS HAVE NEVER LEFT? You are kidding yourself! READ!
@AFRIKTODAY There was no widespread Egyptian exodus south. Herodotus' Egypt was still full of Egyptians. He described the Asmach as the descendants of Egyptian deserters still living among the 'Ethiopains' (Nubians) south of Meroe. They descend from the border garrison of Elaphantine that got fed up of waiting to be relieved and went over to the enemy, anandoning their families in the process. (They forsook Psammetichus - not a Persian but an Egyptian king.) This was no flight from Persians!
Regardless! The fact of the matter is that Psammetichus was much more friendly toward the Assyriens or persians; while the Nubians were much more welcoming and opposed to the barbarians semites!
@AFRIKTODAY Psammetichus (actually Psamtek I) was the one who established independence from the Assyrians. His father was killed by a Nubian invader so understandably little love lost on that front.
@AFRIKTODAY Herodotus doesn't say the Egyptians are 'Ethiopians', only mentioning that both practice circumcision, as do the Jews. Not the least suggestion of ethnic affinity is made. Furthermore he mentions that the Asmach deserters were a civilizing influence among the barbarian 'Ethiopians', among whom they settled. It makes you wonder how uncouth the Ethiopians were considered to be, given that the Asmach themselves were a pretty rough bunch of traitors and mutineers!
@rahotep101 No, Herodotus also say that the Colchians were black-skinned, thus Egyptian. Beyond that point, since many Nation are black skinned, they, the colchians, practice circumcision like the ethiopians and egyptians. Amazingly, he cannot tell which people learnt the practice from the other. But both Nations are the older to engage in such a practice! He never mentioned no Jews!
You cannot distort a text to fit your petite ideology and fallacy.
@AFRIKTODAY I didn't say he mentioned the jews. Herodotus must have been talking in relative terms about the appearence of the Colchians, whose descendants live in Georgia to this day and aren't black. Some translations give 'dark skinned and curly haired'. (Another classical author called them yellow!) This description clearly doesn't necessarily denote negro Africans, neither did the Egyptians ever represent themselves like negroes, only their southern enemies.
@rahotep101 "There is another island above Meroe which is held by the Egyptian fugitives who revolted in the time of Psammetichus, and are called "Sembritae" meaning "Foreigners".They are ruled by a Queen, but they are SUBJECT to the KINGS of MEROE"...Strabo, 64 B.C.E (Book 17).
There were different type of Ethiopians,some were Primitive, some were NOMADIC and others were CIVILIZED and Osiris was of the CIVILIZED Ethiopian tribe.No different from a Civilized Greek & SAVAGE Germanic or Celtic.
The more I read Herodotus history, the more I am confirmed that today's Africans are indeed the real descendants of ancient Egyptians:
-"for among them the women frequent the market and carry on trade, while the men remain at home and weave"
African markets are dominated by women while artisanal work tend to be male focused. Go to any African market to observe this and compare with "Arabs" who lock their women up and make them wear all sorts of body covering clothes.
@AFRIKTODAY Herodotus bordered on parody with his talk of women pissing standing up and men staying at home to weave. It was a reflection of the Greek view that Egyptian women didn't know their place. He exaggerated these things to emphasize the difference from Greek society. That said I've heard Arab men sit down to 'make water'. I gater it's something Islamic culture encourages, for reasons best known to themselves.
Herodotus is talking about "kneeling"! And, yes, many Sahelians Africans tend to kneel while pissing. I don't know why they do that but it is amazing that, here herodotus is already depicting a practice that is still alive within the african context up to now. Most importantly though, is the similarities in division of labor between females and males, artisanal works, so on and so forth.
@AFRIKTODAY I believe Herodotus's stories about how Egyptians go to the toilet about as much as I believe his story that Ethiopians have black semen instead of white.
@rahotep101 Furthermore, it has be shown that linguistically, genetically, and culturally Egypt is closely related with many other African civilizations.
Egypt was matrilineal and matrilocal. Meaning that family descent was tracked mother to daughter and when a man married, he established his home near to his mother-in-law's house. This is the institution which determined the Pharaoh and the dynasties. This survives throughout Africa to the present and nowhere else in the world.
@iArsalan Genetically is debatable. The pharaohs of the 18th dynasty were harplotype r1b and blood group A, which is not an African characteristics. Culturally again, the norm in Egypt was living in square houses with chairs and tables. As for matrilineal descent, that was also known among numerous European cultures, notably the Picts. There is no proven affinity between Egyptian and sub-saharan languages especially Niger-Congo ones, and the only place Coptic survives is Egypt itself.
@rahotep101 I can't stress matrilineal affinities enough because it separates Egypt from the whole of the ancient world with exception to Africa. In most societies, especially Europe, a woman was the property of her husband. This is opposed to Africa where the woman are the blood line and often the sole owners of property.
Consequently, Egypt, like the rest of Africa, practiced regicide. A ritual "killing of the king" eventually becoming symbolic.
@iArsalan That clearly isn't the case because maternal lines of ancestry were (as mentioned) important in Pictish traditions, and vestiges of an Earth mother cult preserved in many societies- Egypt being eceptional in having an earth god and sky goddess. It wasn't vital for an Egyptian pharaoh to have a mother of royal blood in order to be considered legitimate, and the matrilineal aspect of Egyptian monarchy has been somewhat overplayed. Where do you get Egyptian regicide from?
@rahotep101 The Kamose was the last king of the 17th dynasty. His brother Ahmose started the 18th. That doesn't make since in patrilineal ascension. It only makes since if the dynasty is governed by the woman. The wife of Ahmose wasn't from the same family line as Kasmose's wife, therefore a new dynasty was born. How can you down grade so pivotal a cultural institution as family bonds?
The Heb Sed festival was a ritual reenactment of ancient regicide. There are numerous works on this.
@iArsalan Yes, that is odd, given that the 18th dynasty continues through various pharaohs of no relation or of different mothers, eg Thutmosis III had a non-royal mother, and non-Royals Ay and Horembab are also counted as part of the dynasty. Kiya the mother of Tut seems was supposedly the full sister of his father Akhenaten yet was not the Great Royal Wife of this reign. Akhenaten's mother Tiye was not directly royal, either.
@rahotep101 Because you refuse to recognize the royal mother of them all. Look for the grandmother of Queen Tiye. Like I said, you need to do much more research. You knowledge on this subject leaves much to be desired.
At this point the present scholarship isn't even debating weather Egypt is a product of Africa; but rather to what extent it originated it's own motifs from a common cultural tapestry existent throughout Africa.
@rahotep101 "Other traditions say Egypt itself was the first land to rise from the waters of chaos and that the Egyptians were the earliest people."
Cite the traditions that make this claim? Kemet and Greece are not among them. Kemites said that the Anu traveled from the "Mountains of the Moon" where the Nile originates. Greek traditions maintain that Kushites were the first and most blessed people.
@rahotep101 I mean it's as if you've read none of the research since the 50's. These things are well discussed and researched in scholarly circles. It's a truism now that Kemet was an indigenous African civilization. The notions to the contrary have long been proven to be the result of European propaganda meant to support imperial agendas regarding Africa.
@iArsalan There are still indigenous blacks in Kam but they are kept AWAY from the cameras to support delusion that the invaders in the 7th century are NATIVES.
@rahotep101 Time and again you dodge the most undeniable points. The Kemites themselves say they originated from the land of Punt in the South. Which research has shown to be in Northern Ethiopia at the origin of the Nile; lake Tana. All the early symbols, the crook and flail, the white crown, the primordial Neteru, all are the be found in the Sudan before dynastic Kemet.
All scientific research on the topic continues to point to East Africa as the origin of the people and culture of Kemet.
@iArsalan Other traditions say Egypt itself was the first land to rise from the waters of chaos and that the Egyptians were the earliest people. The crook and flail were first associated with the Delta region god Andjety (prefursor of Osiris, linked to agreculture). Egyptian language culture and religion grew up in Egypt, that being where the first agrulture in Africa took root, probably after contact with Mesopotamia. Egypt was born of settlement, the people of the south remained nomad herders.
@rahotep101 Once again, extremely dated info. Agriculture did not start after contact with Mesopotamia. In 4000 bc, pottery in Sudan was already at an advanced state; it would take the rest of the world 1k years to catch up. Pottery is produced by settled agricultural populations. The crook and flail were implements of cattle herding. All Pharaonic symbolism ties to cattle culture. In Kemet, one's Ka was associated with their favored cow. All elements African nilotic cattle culture.
@iArsalan Once again you need to do more research. There have been many well published documents and books since the 1960's illustrating the cultural and linguistic affinities between Kemet and Africa. Read, "The Religion of the Yorubas", J. Lucas or Sheik Anta Diop's analysis of Wolof in Senegal.
Furthermore, no European society has ever practice matrilineal inheritance (ie Mother to daughter and Uncle to nephew), nor recognized the woman as the "seat of power". That is distinctly African.
@rahotep101 I wonder what you will say about the story of diodorus in regard to the ethiopians and the egyptians. He states that the Ethiopians say that Egypt was one of their colony and was populated by their population that went North looking for better land. He also states that, from them, the egyptians have learned all their practices of honoring their kings, Gods and other customs.
I suppose the Ethiopians were LYING RIGHT?? HAHAHA.
@AFRIKTODAY I'm sure no Ethiopian was ever born with a dishonest bone in his body. This, however, is the realm of mythology. Osiris is supposed to have led the 'Ethiopian' colonization of Egypt, according to this myth, yet this god seems to be absent from the earliest Egyptian religious texts before the fifth dynasty. The myth also claims that all Egypt was sea before it was formed from Ethiopian Nile silt deposits, which sounds a bit unlikely to me.
@rahotep101 1) Osiris, Isis, and Horus are depicted in Kemite and Kushite art in the predynastic period. The earliest being the symbols of kingship found in Qustul, Sudan. This has been known since the 1950s.
2) It is well known that the waters of the Mediterranean almost reached the city of Memphis in the year of it's founding, and that much of the region was once under the sea in older epochs.
You really need to research more. Your knowledge is extremely dated.
@AFRIKTODAY Regardless of who the very earliest inhabitants of Egypt may have been it seems more than evident that the founders of pharaonic Egypt were closely akin to modern Egyptians.
say that two black doves flew from Thebes in Egypt, and came one of them
to Libya and the other to their land. And this latter settled upon an
oak-tree and spoke with human voice, saying that it was necessary that
a prophetic seat of Zeus should be established there... but so long as she spoke a Barbarian tongue she seemed..to them to be uttering voice like a bird: And in saying that the dove was black, they indicate that the woman was Egyptian.
Let's get this straight. The arabs are NOT Egyptians! The Arabs didn't enter Africa until 638 AD! Egypt was established about 3,000 BC. Even a raghead could figure this one out.
Face it, your ancestors in arabia didn't do jack. You sat out there humping your camels until you polluted all your water and wandered west, where the Africans civilied you...until some damn fool taught you people how to make a suicide vest. You people didn't exist until you got to Africa- get over it!
Egyptians originated in the south. The Nubians are the true founders of egypt or Kemetic culture. The kingdom of Nubia is older that taught on this film. It pre dates Egypt
Excuse me, Are you going to Educate me about My own History? According to our Temples, The Pharaohs have said they came from Egypt, By The way, I get My Education from the Dandira Temple and NOT some false Information..
It used to be common knowledge that Nubian temples were far older than Egypt.... Wonder why that info changed. It seems to support the new age bullshitters theories as they try to seperate Egypt from Afrikan people. Shame.
firstladyshine 2 months ago
The only reason Egypt continue to be a debate today is because Black Africans actually Built it. An in a world designed by White Supremist(Not white people but white supremist) they cannot accept what they use to enslave us actually come from us.
estorpai 1 year ago
@estorpai Blacks also were the Olmecs (Mandinka-Shi), Cambodians, first Chinese, and first of many other cultures, which is why they are not in HISTORY books.
BlackmatterX 2 months ago
People think Egypt sprung up out of nowhere, like it don't take centuries to develop the science needed to build stone pyramids in alignment with the Earth standing over 400 feet in the sky. The knowledge came from the south
Alara0625 1 year ago 2
@Alara0625 They claim the civilization SPRUNG out of nowhere to disconnect it from the Nubians and other black tribes who had been dwelling in the land hundreds of thousands of years before any white colony ever existed.
BlackmatterX 2 months ago
I LOVE EGYPT!!!!!
windofthegods 1 year ago
AFRKTODAY you are a a idiot and a typical dum naive African. Thats why you people always get exploited by outsiders. You people just don't get it, YOU ARE NIGGERS!! Many of the Europeans and Asians who are there exploiting your resources see you as this and as a monkey. I'm sorry to break the news. Africans should stop turning on one another and try working together for a change.
jamrock1ful 1 year ago
@jamrock1ful And you're a retard.
mymarkis666 1 year ago
@jamrock1ful Hey Jam rock hiding behind a keyboard. Come to the Levi's store in San Francisco and ask for Cory and I'll knock that word back down your throat like my father told me to. Don't bother replying, just show up ready to fight. Isn't "...Jamrock" a reggae song. Take the leash off your women and read a book before you decide to involve yourself in something in grown folks business
yesthatCory808 1 year ago
Hey, I got a (good) idea!? Get the current LIVING PROPHET of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (the Mormons) to translate the Nubian stuff. Then they can have another "LIVING TESTIMONY" OF THE BOOK OF MORMON, BOOK OF ABRAHAM, AND...? LOL
blugularis 1 year ago
this is cool!
blugularis 1 year ago
hey listen at 0:23- 0:30 and you will know why pale ape./human hybrids we call crakkkers could NOT have had anything to do with nubia or kemet(egypt). Listen to what the narrarator says: "In the BURNING sands of northern africa, beneath a HOT, DESERT SUN a powerful kingdom thrived...." See those words ive emphasized? "BUrning". "HOT", "desert" and "SUN"? Ya see, crackers are devoid of the divine, sun protector called MELANIN. They burn badly in the BURNING SUN
TheBlackRite 1 year ago
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Dat's right, chilluns, we was dee E-jipshuns! We built da pyramids and shit. We da superior race. But mammy, den why we livin in a tin shack an gittin food stamps to use for crack an you be out hoein all day? Cause dem muhfukin white devils came to africa and took our special powers away and messed with our minds. Now git yo asses back to beds.
hannityforpres 1 year ago
Nubia is the mother of Egypt.
lmarr07 1 year ago 3
i love sudan
esmatmaki 1 year ago
@mushoraus i know
NexusJk 1 year ago
egiptians are fucking middle eastern closer in relation to the ancestery of africans, you bunch of morons. read a fucking book!! im so sick of wankers leaving coments on subjects they no nothing about.
axenm21 2 years ago
Even if nubia or meroe fell the fact the people down the line eventually defeated the beja people from what history books are suggesting. My mom is of ethiopian descent and my dad is sephardi jew. I read up alot of history book. I did know the Axumite empire did eventually had an impact there. But it was not the main reason why nubia fell. Other factor play a role not just one set of people who themself were native to the land call the beja.
Thutmosis7 2 years ago
I ger so mad when I see Imposters claiming other peoples heritage. The distinction may be subtle for the foreign eye. but these are Black arabs(who admit it when it suits them). Nubians are black with very tiny(tight) curls in their hair. I know coz I am one. Imposters!!
adhiambonyarkisumu 2 years ago
I am tired of people fighting over the senseless concept of race. I prefer the term Nation. A nation is the culmination of the family entity and it is important to regard every civilization within the confine of its Nationality. When people state that "Egyptians" were not Blacks, I find it funny because its immediate neighbors were Kushites and Nubians Nations? Did egypt drop out of the sky within that regional confine? Maybe the Nubians and kushites were not blacks either! ?????
AFRIKTODAY 2 years ago 14
North Africa was once ruled by Caucasians, at least in part. Blond haired Caucasian skulls are have been found in the tombs of pharaohs and leading military men. Blond haired and blue eyed statues and paintings have been found. Red headed mummies, even.
3R3MITE 2 years ago
Dude, read an history book!
Ever heard of the vandals and visigoths? They ruled North Africa for close to 300 years after the fall of the Roman empire! That what the current inhabitants of the Magreb are calld "Berber" or barbarians!
AFRIKTODAY 2 years ago
LOL you tell him bro. I think these caucasiod really think black people or any other people than them are stupid. That's the propaganda they try to sell black people. That's why you see those berbers cover up their skin from the sun so much. It's too hot to handle. Most of modern day africans are either a mixture of black and white with a few iranian, syriac arabs and other form of lighter skin people who came there long after egypt and nubian kingdom fell. Selam
Thutmosis7 2 years ago
@3R3MITE Yes but they were not white as you we find white people in North Africa...there DNA clearly shows that they have nothing to do with european, phenotype is not dna or blood, or common ancestry. White africans are more related to black africans deal with it.
NexusJk 2 years ago
@AFRIKTODAY They had equally immediate neighbours in various other directions, of course...
rahotep101 1 year ago
we were the one's that brought nubia down and destroyed everything..THATS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE NUBIAN MESS WITH OUR BEJA COUSINS...NOT FOR THE FIRST TIME EITHER we destroyed 17th dynasty egypt to the ground and burned everything...moral of the story nubians/jalaba/darfurians DONT MESS WITH EAST SUDANESE BEJA WE WILL RAIN FIRE AS THEY HAVE A HOT HEADED WARRIORS RELATIVES SOUTH OF THEIR BORDERS AND WILL BURN ANYONE THAT MESSES WITH OUR BEJA COUSINS UP NORTH.
sirwallaby 2 years ago
Are you a comedian? LOL you're just a fony white ass man trying to claim some nonsense. Get the hell out of here with that crap. Go back to europe too.
Thutmosis7 2 years ago
fony white man???who is king ezana moron who destroyed the nilo invaders of kush and meroe???you claiming thutmosis too???bahahahahaha
sirwallaby 2 years ago 2
Who created that fairytale? The beja are nubians didn't you know that? They are still bejas in sudan today. Plus most of what we read about history is europeon interpetation. Since it's them who write and fabricate the history book in their own way. They claim christianity came to ethiopia around the 4th century, evidence prove it's much more later like 6th century. Plus Even if what you said is true, after your so call beja sack it, the people split the kingdom of nubia in 3 parts.
Thutmosis7 2 years ago
do u relaise where im from moron?u try to tell a beja he is a nubian and he would stick the sword he carries around his shoulder up ur a** moron...u r an africocentric moron...from halaib along the east coast of the nile to southern eritrean are same ancestory and diffrent from nubians..noba are related to the nilo and chadic groups you dont even speak any of these languages to know...when u go to egypt with ur iphone and ur camera make sure u never say to ababda or bisharin beja they r nubians.
sirwallaby 2 years ago
Ta-seti pre-dates Kmt.
there is so much story that some people do not want to be announce.
EshuTheOrisha 2 years ago
the arab desert dwellers is fukin our civilization up most of both nubia and egypt artifacts are in under water
chemicalafo2 2 years ago 3
The only one that can understand those words, is a black person that haves overome colonial mentality and also any kind of religious mentality, somebody who is spiritual free and is proud of being who he is, that´s somebody race by God.
panamanubian 2 years ago
I'm a muur. Mu ur, the light of ur, the fire of Allah. Eye am that energy in flesh. Eye am allah in flesh.
PleasePutMeOn 2 years ago
really, I´m a black folk who believes in Christ.
panamanubian 2 years ago
The messiah told us not to call him christ but that his proper title is Messiah. All muslims believe in me. Read the injiyl. It is the book of Revelation.
PleasePutMeOn 2 years ago
Not a good idea to use the word "nubia". Was no such term in antiquity that referred to a group of people.
lionzion22 2 years ago
I'm not speading hate, is it true or not. I learned this from several souces. If it wasn't happening, don't have to talk about it.
mecorn56 2 years ago
These dark skinned arabs/muslims are from the north, killing the real natives who are in the south now. Just like them fake ass arab/Eygptians disrepecting since the invasion.
mecorn56 2 years ago
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moshalhat 2 years ago
Just don´t spread hatared, mecorn56 :-)
We,Nubian, do not welcome it !
moshalhat 2 years ago
This is so racist!! they are attwempting to say that the egyptians were not black!! You look at egypt! its in Africa, but they are not african!! poor, poor white people!!
WattsNG 2 years ago 7
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egyption are white
FIGHTFANNERD3 2 years ago
@FIGHTFANNERD3 not they aren"t
NexusJk 1 year ago
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Check out Nubian Spirit: The African Legacy of the Nile Valley.
This is a great documentary film on Ancient Egypt, Sudan and the Nile Valley.
BlackNine Films Channel
blackninefilms 2 years ago
Wouldn't it be interesting if they let a savant attempt to translate heiroglyphics?
GUARDIANINVENTION 2 years ago
The Qustul incense burner
This shows a Royal Pharaoh with the crown of Upper Egypt, rossete image and Heru.
This pre dates narmer and was found in Nubia. The oldest kinship image anywhere
prolaser 3 years ago
has anyone noticed that the nubians are clearly depiced as black people but egyptians are always portrayed as white or arab. even thought it's only a few miles north on the same continent. that really bothers me.
moonfreak421 3 years ago 2
Isn't this the voice of "Holyman" from Riddick?? Tarot was not invented in Egypt. It's not even ancient. It's barely 400 years old.
quirzmak 3 years ago
The carving she describes at the very last of this segment is very similar in appearance to the Magician of the Tarot, as are other ancient Sudanese depictions.
Maybe the Tarot isn't so much from Egypt as always been alleged, but rather more from ancient Sudan,..
The symbol at the end also seems to be saying "As above, so below."
Gnothean 3 years ago
THe Sudan.. My country.. My live.. I'm proud Sudanese American :)..
southsudanvoice 3 years ago
it is not your country!!! it is my country!! this tempels are in north sudan and not in south sudan, in southsudan there are just a bush and naked bush christian men like you. but bashir has the power he is the king in hope he kill all of you
SudanNubian 3 years ago
I thought Nubians were crying that they were being kill by Bashir too. You are either a fake Nubians or stupids arabs..What do you know about Nubia!.There is King Tut and there are alot of tut in Southern Sudan..King Piankhi or Tirkaha don't sound Nubians do they..let's just say that you immigrated to Sudan..we are the Nubians and of course the real Nubians too. I can translate Tirkaha in Dinka..it mean living or staying!! We left because of the desert stupids!!
Panda21Panda 3 years ago 2
bluecafe... What?????
guruartist 3 years ago
GBU MR.SALAH.You are great man.Our children will be proud of you.Keep on the great job.We are great nation one day and we will be again the leader .We have roots and history, some nations used ours and cheated the world. Many ugly and dairty ideas came when we are not serious enough. IT is time to wake up sudanese all of you as one great nation as before.Love each other and get up the sun always shine on you.Push the dark to where back to that iland which is full of sand and no ideas
Trhaga 3 years ago
The arabs are invaders, they have no homeland any more than a cockroach does. They are STILL trying to justify their presence in Egypt because they know they invaded and have been squatting there for centuries.
And arab who says I'm wrong prove your degnerate ancestors built the pyramids, or introduced Amun-Ra to the world. Prove you were there before 638AD.
Can you produce ANY similarites between yourselves and Egypt? No! Shows how pathetic you feel that you cling to a lie Hollywood invented.
j1607760 3 years ago 8
I don't think anybody argues that Arabs are the ancient Egyptians.
bluecafe22 3 years ago
@j1607760 The Arabs have a homeland, it's called Arabia. The Egyptians have one called Egypt, which they never left, despite becoming culturally Arabized. Those present in Egypt are in the majority of cases the descendants of people who have been there since time immemorial. Proof comes from antropological studied focussing on dental morphology, from the lack of historical evidence of population displacement, and from their resemblance of fourth dynasty statues & images old as the pyramids.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101
Nonsenses! Ask the true egyptians, the black Nubians! They are the only and true descendants of egypt. The others, the semites are a mixtures of invaders from various barbaric Nations like the Grecs, Mammluks, Arabs, europeans, Jews, Turks and so forth. How ridiculous is it to even claim that nonsense given the perpetual foreign invasion of the territory of egypt over 3000 years! That a population! It is akin as saying that the TURKS built CONSTANTINOPLE!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY The Nubians were always the enemies of Egypt and for a longer period the subjects than the masters. The Copts who represent the whole spectrum of Egyptian population, have no Arab blood, and are the purest heirs of the pharaohs, but most of the Muslims in Egypt are likewise of ancient Coptic (Egyptian) descent. The black Nubians are nothing to do with Egypt. Don't believe bullshitters like Radio1. I am sick of ignorami like you speaking on this topic as if they know anything.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101
You are ridiculous beyond the point!
The Nubians were never the enemies of Egypt since egypt, or to put it in its right perspective, Kemet, was the child of Ta-Seti, the first nome from which Narmer or Aha had sprung from.! If you think that I need to watch some ridiculous videos on youtube to get my education, you have a long way to go buddy!
All the egyptians revolution, after the foreign invasions had come from Nubia, the south, ALL! Today's arab have little to do with Egypt!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY Egypt was born out of a fusion of migration from North African, and the Middle East and beyond, as well as the south. The oldest mummies and statues reveal the same charactaristics as the present Egyptians. Copts have no Arab blood yet are ethnically same as Muslim Egyptians, proving the latter not Arabs. By blood type and DNA the pharaohs of the 18th dynasty seem closer to Celts tham to Nubians. After the foreign invasions (which inclded a Nubian one) Egyptians remained in Egypt.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 Egypt was never the fruit of any fusion whatsoever! Egypt was and still is an African civilization. There is no testimony, in the formation of egypt of any eastern infusion or Northern european infusion. The Ancient egyptian were clear in their texts of their origin. African, from the South! The North was seeing as wild and barbaric! All the earliest and oldest artifacts are from Ta-Seti, in today's Nubia! Don't be an hypocrite!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@rahotep101
The Copte are mongrels! The fruits of admixture between egyptian and Greeks steaming from Alexander's invasion of Egypt! That's very simple to understand when one's knows history! The ridiculous thing about people like you is your lack of honesty! What in the world do you mean by " purest heirs" when semitism is itself of form of mongrelization? This is beyond ridiculous! Slaavo Paabo of Sweden has shown in his paper, beyond irrefutable doubt that ancient egyptian were BLACKS!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY If the Copts are mongrels so was Ancient Egypt. It's ironic that most of the simpletons accusing the Copts of being mongres are themselves the mongrel descendants of banu slaves and European slave-owners! Many Copts are found in all parts of Egypt, some with quite dark complexions. The Greeks in Egypt generally formed a distinct community, retaining their own language, traditions and religion (later the Greek and Coptic Churches were in schism). There was relatively little mixing.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 bantu*
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101
I find it amazing though, that for most of their history, today's descendants of mamluks, turks, greeks, eastern europeans and other foreign people are claiming a civilization that they have tried to destroy by all means! Explain to me this issue:
Why did the terrorists who killed Anwar Sadat claim in their letter: WE KILLED PHARAOH? And how do you explain the fact that Sadat had claimed that he was the FIRST TRUE EGYPTIAN RULER IN 2000 YEARS?
Explain that to me my friend!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY The people who killed Sadat were enemies of Egypt and of civilization in general. I don't think I need to explain their motives as we are still plagued with that sort. 'Pharaoh' tends to represent a generic tyrant in Biblically derived Koranic thought. Many people have taken a sledge hammer to their own heritage for different reasons: the Protestants, the French and Russian and Chinese revolutionaries... the list goes on. It doesn't mean it was any less their heritage to wreck.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101
You have not answered my question though! How do you explain that Anwar Sadat, whose mother was a "Nubian" considered himself the first egyptian ruler in 2000 years?
Anyway, with all the populous movement that occurs in wars and invasion, it is amazing that a rational mind like you will claim to the fact that today's egyptian are the descendants of the of Narmer and Imhotep! This is a joke! The egyptian fled in the south and later spread into the continent of africa!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY What is a joke is the idea that there was a mass migration out of Egypt into black Africa, where, it seems, these great Egyptians eventually forgot every civilized art. The truth is that the Egyptian people stayed in Egypt living under foreign rulers following the same pattern of life as they had under the pharaohs. The only people who believe that Egyptians fled south and then spread through the continent are insecure black Americans desperate to contrive a glorious ancestry.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101
The black Africans have not forgotten their egyptian cultures; if you care to research, the obvious will be clear to the naked eye. You also forget, as you claim, that many Africans cultures have also been victim of arabic and western influences and many are christians, muslim and even Judaic! Your intellectual shallowness is quite amusing for a speudo-intellect! Egypt and Nubia formed a continuous politico-cultural system that is still alive, deep in Nubia the rest of africa.
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@rahotep101
First of all, the copts are not an "ethnic" but a church! The oldest christian church! Copts are not a tribe! All the testimony depict the mixture between Egyptians and Greeks, starting during the plotlemaic reign! THEY MARRIED AND EMBRACED ALL EGYPTIAN TRADITIONS!
The fact that the "copts" are not Arabs and darks actually show how they have managed to avoid to a certain degree admixtures with semites!
Egypt is African and still alive in ALL africa today! Semitic invaders are NOT!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY The copts are a religio-ethnic group whose very name means Egyptian hand whose liturgy preserves the ancient language. They they have been all but genetically fossilized at least since the 7th C. Islamic conquest. Copts look much like the rest of the Egyptian population, even so, being lighter in the north and duskier in the south of the country. It goes to show that the Muslims aren't primarily Arabs either except in cultural terms.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 The coptic language is a Greecized version of ancient egytian! The amazing facts here is that coptic is not a semitic language nor european but rather an African language similar to many sudanese, senegalese, central africans languages! That's a fact that cannot be ignored! Despite the separation, the linguistic link clearly establish the fusion of many african cultures with the Nile valley! So, claiming that ancient Kemet was "different" from Nubia is an intellectual lie!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY Berber languages are also indigenous to Africa but it doesn't make them a black race. Coptic and Semitic are both classified as Afroasiatic languages. I've never seen any demonstration of other African languages owing much to Egyptian. The fact remains that Egypt and Cush were different ethnically and linguistically, and that for the greater period of time the latter was little more than a colony of the former.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101
Berber language is ' NOT" indigenous to Africa! Your lack of linguistic knowledge makes you prone to false assertion. Berber is "barbarian" for all the multiple Nations that have surplanted each others in Northern Africa! There is alot of germanic relationship in berber! There is NO such a thing as AFROASIATIC system! Egyptian is NOT semitic but rather much more connected with MOST african languages! The wolof speakers for exemple can translate egyptian word by words!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY Where did the Berber language come from then?
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 No cultures appears in the vacuum! The egyptian civilization was the continuity of a cultural and civilizatory process that had been taking place in AFRICA for thousands of years! The ancient egyptian were children of the migratory waves that pushed the ancient population of the once humid and wet SAHARA toward the East and the Nile were the found the best possible circumstance to build continue the legacy of their ancients. The vacuum theory of history is NONSENSICAL.
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@rahotep101 The berber language is hard to classify but it is no a semitic nor an African language. Northern Africa has been under the influence of countless diverse and different cultures over thousands of years and the berber language is simply the hot-podge of all these influence. There is for exemple of lot of germanic and latin terms in the berber languages, as well as many africans. There is NO LINK whatsoever between berber and EGYPTIAN!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY The Greeks did not mix with Egyptians much. None of the Ptolemies even bothered to learn Egyptian for 300 years before Cleopatra. In Christian times the Greeks and Egyptians still spoke their own languages and their churches were in schism. The Coptic Christians suffered persecution from the Chalcedonian Orthodox Greeks who branded them Monophysite heretics. Not much opportunity for mixing!
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101
The greeks embraced egyptian religions and cultures! The center of greek civilization was egypt, not even greece for many centuries! Greek arts, its language, philosophy and science is egyptian! What do you mean by not mixing? As a matter of fact, how do you know that? Are you trying to tell me that the Turks did not mix with Byzantians and that today's turks are the original builders of constantinople? You cannot ignore historical movement and the effects of wars!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY If you go from the Egypian galleries into the Greek ones in the British Museum you are struck by the very different character of the sculptures and architectural features. The Greeks had a completely different set of priorities. Greek art exhibits an idealized naturalism, Egyptian art is much more formal and formulaic. I'm not saying there was never any mixing in Greek Egypt, nor in Turkish Greece, but after 400 years of Turkish rule the Greeks remained Greek. Same goes for Egyptians
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101
Total nonsense! The influence is glaring if you dare to analyze the evolution of the MEDITERANEAN BASIN architecture! It is clearly established on egyptian principles! The joke is that, the so-called egypto-semites do not recognize the influence of the egyptian civilization all over the western world when in fact all modern SCIENCES, AND ARTS can be traced on ancient egypt.
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY The second foundational falsehood of Afrocentrism is that Greek culture, philosophy, architecture etc. was derived from Egypt. Early Greek sculptire did owe something to Egypt but the golden age of Greece only occurred when quite independently Greeks broke away from these traditions and developed classical realism. Greece was different from Egypt in many ways, its culture, its politics, its prejudices. Not always for the better.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101
Utter garbage! Once again you depict your absolute ignorance! All the research of concluded that the Minoans, pre-hellenic culture was indeed a colony of Egypt and its culture was heavily Egyptian and Canaanite influenced! Just care to READ the ancient! Pythagoras, Thales, Plato, socrates and many influential Greeks all studied in Egypt! Just care to read their texts rather than regurgitating eurocentric crap!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@rahotep101 Why are you so fixated on Afrocentrism? The first authors to credit the Egyptians with the origin of Greek science were the Greeks themselves. Herodotus, Plato, Pythagoras, Thales, Aristotle, all of them either claimed or were reported to have studied in Egypt for many years.
It is now well known that the Pyramid text shows all the methods of geometry credited to the Greeks and it's 2k years older than the Greeks.
You need to research more. Your arguments are laughably dated.
iArsalan 1 year ago
@iArsalan The dimensions of the pyramids also seem to reveal knowledge of Pi, but these mathematical things can be discovered independently, and the Greeks don't need to have got them from Egypt. It doesn't requie the divine intervention of Thoth insceribing them on stone. Furthermore if all this ancient learning was African in origin how come there is so little sign of it in that continent beyond Egypt and its sphere of influence?
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101
What do you mean by " little sign of it beyond egypt?" You are clearly showing your lack on knowledge here my friend. You obviously know nothing about Great zimbabwe, Ile Ife, Ghana empire that lasted from the 3st Ad to 13 th century and gave birth to Mali and Songhay, you surely don;t know much about the Bakongo empires, the Yoruba city " CONSTITUTIONAL STATES"...etc. I don't even want to go into further detail with someone who fails to do his historical homework.
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@rahotep101
Let's look at Greece and its emergence in the 7th or 8th century BC! Greece was a collection of warring city-States, born out of continual invasions and destruction. A civilization that accepted slavery, the inferiority of WOMEN, homosexuality and infanticide! The greek influence grew with the conquest of Alexandre of EGYPT and disapeared AFTER the destruction of the plotlemaic reigns on egypt! How long did that LAST? NOTHING!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY Exactly, Greede in many respects owed little to Egypt. Slavery did exist in Egypt, although there were not slave markets. Certainly women had more rights and respect in Egypt, and there is not the evidence of homosexual culture - or infanticide (unless you believe the bible). So how can people claim Greece got its culture from Egypt?
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101
When did I say that Greece got its culture from egypt? I say the greek civilization was influenced by egypt and phoenicia. greek science, greek architecture, greek religion, script and so forth. The greeks were barbarians until they discovered the wonders of egypt and their greatest mind came to egypt to try to " learn". With the conquest of Alexander, they were now officially allowed to settle in egypt and ingurgitate its millenial civilization. Come on now dude!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@iArsalan
Who is fixated on afrocentrism? And what do you define as Afrocentrism? You are the one claiming that my arguments are afrocentric when I am merely basing my argumentation on the fact themselves! Herodotus for exemple depicted the egyptian as blacks! Maybe you should read his geography! Diodorus recount his discourse with the Nubian and their claims about Egypt as one of their colony! Maybe you should check his books too! The matter is to focus on documentation, not ideology.
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@iArsalan It is with the military conquest of Egypt by alexandre that Greek emerge into civilization and Greek immigrants begin to settle in egypt and "study egyptian sciences and arts" That is a fact! Thales Studied in Egypt, Plato, all the pre-socratics, and many others ' GREAT GREEKS'! There was a transfer of knowledge frome egypt not the Greeks! Not in Greece itself, where knowledge was rejected ( death of socrates, banishment of Plato and others), but in EGYPT.
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY Greece's finest moments were already behind it when Alexander invaded Egypt in 332BC. Homer died c. 800 BC, Thales of Miletus d. 548, Pericles 429, Socrated d. 399, Plato 357, Aristotle 322. The library of Alexandria was founded after Aristotle's death, and most of its contents were in Greek. Plato probably never went to Egypt. I don't doubt that Greeks learned what they could from Eyptian sages but it wasn't a one-way street.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101
Thales studied in egypt, the presocratic all went to egypt to study, plato studied in egypt, Aristotle was influenced by egyptian thought throughout all his works. Egypt was th university of the world in as much as many people, me included come to the US to the best universities these days. By the way, the Kemiou ( egyptian) had many great libraries. The egyptian disliked alexandria, it was a barbarian town in their land. A greek settlement!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@rahotep101 My main problem with people like you is that you consider history from a static interpretation. How fallacious is this! Look at all the invasions in history! They come with human destruction and even extermination, migration waves and flights...etc! It is amazing for someone to claim that with all the repetitive foreign attacks on egypt since 650 bc, the ancient native populations have not " budged" in 2500 years and have survived up to this day in arabic speaking semites!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY Arabic *speaking* is the thing, and it's an Egyptian Arabic with numerous peculiarities. Copts speak Arabic in daily life too, but are not Arabs. These are not the descendants of outsiders. Egyptians often have their local saints, Christian or Islamic, with their shrines and festivals, taking the place of the local gods they used to have. Such practices reveal the underlying continuity, despite the importation of monotheism, and the closing and ruination of the old temples.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101
Arabism is a concept that has been broadened well past its Sabaan-arabic foundation in the middle East! The issue here is that most of today's Egyptian, in the northern part in particular are NOT natives of that land but rather the offspring of the various people that have INVADED that country over 2000 years! The remaining sons of the pharaoh are not the Arabs but the Nubians and you know that deep in yourself! Just ask any Nubian if you dare!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY The Nubians (along with the Syrians) are the people the pharaohs depicted as bound captives on the bottom of their sandals, so that they could symbolically crush them with their every step. Egypt did its share of invading and accounts tell of the Egyptians bringing slaughter and subjugation to Nubia. Later Nubians turned the tables but this was not how things were for the longest time.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 The first pharoah, Narmer, was a Nubian! Am I lying here or are you being dishonest? The fact of the matter is that even the pre-dynastic king, The Heru kings of the so called Nagada period were all from the south, from inner Africa. All the legends, accounts of the Greeks and Romans state the origin of egypt from the Ethiopians, Nubia! As a matter of fact, Nubian considered Kemniou ( Egyptians) one of their colonies that went north! That's all!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY That very thing is stated even in this video, which you don't seem even to have watched, i.e, that the Nubians started off as adversaries, were subjugated, and then took Egypt themselves. You seem to think foreign invasions made Egyptians less like the Nubians, whereas actually one of the most complete occupations was by Nubians themselves, so if anything there was an opportunity for Egypt to be Nubianized. Nubia was a great civilization, but it was not Egypt.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101
The Nubian never started off as adversary of egypt since all the civilizatory process of egypt came from Nubia! Doesn't make any sense! I am not an Egyptian worshipper in any sense, and I dislike absolutism which was a characteristic of egyptian kingship that was "LATER EMBRACED BY EUROPEAN KINGS IN THE 12TH century". But, Nubia, the mother of egypt was revolting from the centralized control of the god-king of KEMET! That's all!
I READ THE BOOKS BY HERODUS, DIODORUS, PLATO,...ETC
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@rahotep101 Egypt is still vividly alive in Africa, especially in the western part despite the conversion to islam and christianity: For exemple, many west africans names are egyptians and have meanings in that language: Sow, Bah, KamaRa, Imani, DoukouRe, SanKhare, Sankara, Toumani, Ka...etc The populations of Senegal speak a language that is closely affiliated to today's Coptic and ancient egyptian. Some people can ACTUALLY READ THE HIEROGLYPHICS!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY Egypt is indeed still vividly alive in Africa, specifically in the part north of Lake Nasser. There is no evidence whatsoever of a mass Egyptian migration into black Africa, as I keep having to remind you people, nor of any extermination within Egypt of the supposed original population. This is because the original population still inhabit that land. Senegal where Diop came from is culturally and geographically further from Egypt than Ireland is.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101
You re indeed a simple minded individual! The lake Nasser is the biggest ARTIFICIAL LAKE in the world! What is laying the below that lake is the legacy of Tas-Seti and all the most ancient artifacts of ancient Egypt in this ancient Nubian settlement whose population have been demoted by the Arab egyptian State! How contradictory indeed you are for you fail to recognize "Human actions" and malfeasance! Sorry but your arguments do not hold.
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY I know Lake Nasser is an artificial lake, I don't recall saying otherwise. You can claim what you like to be buried under it, but the major temples to be rescued (Abu Simbel) were built by victrious Egyptians to stamp their mastery on the south.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 I thing you are an hypocrite and a self deluded person who knowingly understand that his most direct ancestors are Mamluks, turcs or Greeks! You cannot ignore you "true" genetic background just because you happen to be live in the Land of Kemet. Turcs know very well that Constantinople was built before they "invaded" that Land. Spanish know that the Machu pichu was not built by Cortex, but you dare to claim that Mamluk invaders, Arabs semites are the native of Egypt? Seriously!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@rahotep101 I am very warry of eurocentric academia in ALL SUBJECTS! This has nothing to do with the pseudo afrocentrism or whatever people want to call it. Western scientific analysis has done tremendous harm to billions of people and culture for centuries while justifying the most horrible crimes in the name of SCIENCE. The beauty of intelligence is the ability for a free mind to CHECK THE FACTS! That's what Africans are DOING TODAY AND WINNING! Do your own homework!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY I'm all for checking the facts. Tell that to the people saying Aristotle stole Egyptian texts from the Library of Alexandria (which wasn't even built at the time of his death), or that Napoleon shot the negroid nose off the sphinx, when actually the statue was defaced by a medieval Sufi, or that Egyptians called white people Typhonian devils, when actually Typhon is a greek word and the 'evil' god Set was associated with Nubuians as well as Hyksos, and that both allied against Egypt.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 I am not sure about what you are talking about! The Nubian worshipped Amun, before the egyptian and well after the destruction of Kemet by nomadic barbarian from the east! I have no knowledge about the defecation of the sphynx nose, or aristotle stealing books from alexandria! That's isn't of much importance with regard to the historical continuity of ancient egypt. Egypt is WELL alive today in Africa! Most west African names are egyptian in character: Sankhare, Ka-Ma-Ra, Ka, Bah.
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@rahotep101
The Arabs mixtures of Mamluks, turks, middle Easterners, Greeks, Jews, europeans of today's Northern egypt in particular ARE NOT the native, and have never been the native population of egypt. Inferring this is insulting historical development and especially in an area where so much invasion and conquest has taken place over 2500 years. Sorry buddy, but the real Egyptian are black Africans and Nubians, not arabs whose current customs and traditions stands opposed to Egypt itself.
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY That conclusion is simply obtuse, disregarding the fact that most of the foreign conquerors set up regimes that had little daily contact with the indigenous peoples. The Egyptian, Greek and Jewish quarters of Alexandria were quite clearly demarcated and there wasn't a great deal of mixing. Any widespread population change post Islam is disproved, as I say, by the presence of the Copts. Yo really must quit slandering the real Egyptians, it isn't nice.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 My friend, you are ridiculous; and I am saying that with the utmost respect and consideration. Over 2500 years of continual, perpetual invasions and you dare here, a logical intelligent man, tell me that no mixing occurred, no population migration took place! You are trying to rewrite logic here. Migrations have occured throughout history; even today in the Middle East, palestinians, Irakis and other nations under the joug of imperialism are flying their homeland.
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@rahotep101 The conqueror had little contacts over 2500 years! Really? Is that even logical to you! Let's analyze a bit your sentence here: The Persians, the Greeks, the Romans, the Arabs, the Turks, the Mamluks, the English, the French, the Jews and a wide variety of population have attacked Egypt over 2500 years in WARS. Famine, pestilence, diseases, epidemics ( the latest one occuring early in the 20th century)...etc and for some reason, NONE BUDGED! NOBODY FLED!
My friend, be serious!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY Clearly the Egyptian population was little affected by the Persian occupation. The Persians were kicked out by the Greeks without problem and Egyptian culture went on to flourish for centuries, building traditional temples covered with the old writing, served by the old priests. Even if Egypts modern inhabitants only descend from Ptolemaic Egypt they're the scions of a greater civilization than anything else Africa. The fact remains that they go back way further, no exodus occurred.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101Your arguments lack scientific depth. Your veer into emotional rhetoric instead of focusing on the object of our discussion: The Offspring of Kemet. " What do you mean by : Even of modern egyptian inhabitant descent from Ptolemaic Egypt.."? Are you recognizing the fact that Greeks seek to mingle with egyptian, marrying their women and embracing their religions? Well, you know better!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY No, it was an 'even if', I don't accept the Afrocentrist idea of the origin of the Copts. The Copts are the descendants of the Ancient Egyptians. I don't think Greek rule impacted greatly on the genetic makeup of Egypt, any more than, say, Turkish rule did upon Greece.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101
You say " you do not think"! It has nothing to do with your thinking but with the facts!
Well look at Greek people today and tell me that there has not been any admixture with the Turks, whom themselves are an asiatic people in origin who have mingled with various Nations, and are still doing so up to now. Let just follow your logic quite a bit here: The Mongols did not mixtes with Russians, Eastern europeans. The Americans did not mixtes with Natives Americans nor did the spanishs
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY No Turk converted to Greek Orthodoxy and decided to identify as a Greek after the subjugation of Greece to the Ottoman Empire. It would make no sense to. The offspring of a Muslim can't be raised as a Christian. Apostacy is illegal under Islamic regimes. How, then, can a Greek Christian have Turkish roots? Impossible. Similarly no Copt in Egypt can have the blood of Muslim foreigners. As the Copts in Egypt are nonetheless the same ethnically as the rest of the population, go figure.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 How scientific! I mean, do you read yourself at time!
Are you implying that at war, people don't migrate, no rapes occur, no genocides take place? I mean, where is your logic. You simply do not make any sense! War and imperialism is violence and the worst sorts of barbarism occur at time of imperialism. This is beyond childish here!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
For the people of colchis are evidently Egyptian, and this I perceived for myself before I heard it from others. So when I had come to consider the matter I asked them both; and the Colchians had remembrance of the Egyptians more than the
Egyptians of the Colchians; but the Egyptians said they believed that
the Colchians were a portion of the army of Sesostris. That this was
so I conjectured myself not only because they are dark-skinned and have
curly hair. (continued)
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@rahotep101 the women make water standing up and the
men crouching down.
This is quite disgusting but yea, especially among West Africans, which I am not, men tend to crouch to piss. I myself have found this strange since I am mainly from central Africa and my culture is dominated by christianity. But, reading Herodotus, I can help but been amazed by the continuity in habits, whether good or bad among west African and the similarities with ancient Kemet.
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY The Mameluks didn't invade, they were bodyguards for the Ayyibids who seized power with a coup. They were of Georgian and Kipchak descent and remained a caste unto themselves, not mixing. They ruled Egypt until Napoleon, latterly under the nominal authority of the Sublime Porte. The French, British & Albanians didn't mix, the insular Jews likewise. Arabs and Fatimids contributed no DNA to the Copts, yet the Copts are still ethnically identical to Egypt's Muslims.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 All the above mentioned population were " foreign aggressors", whether they invaded the country or came under the joug of some other power. What matters here is this:" Egyptian fled south fleeing the barbarians!
Herodotus recount the story of the 250,000 deserters named " ASMACH" who revolted from the Persian king Psammetichos and went to seek refuge under the Ethiopians further south! Did someone told me here that the EGYPTIANS HAVE NEVER LEFT? You are kidding yourself! READ!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY There was no widespread Egyptian exodus south. Herodotus' Egypt was still full of Egyptians. He described the Asmach as the descendants of Egyptian deserters still living among the 'Ethiopains' (Nubians) south of Meroe. They descend from the border garrison of Elaphantine that got fed up of waiting to be relieved and went over to the enemy, anandoning their families in the process. (They forsook Psammetichus - not a Persian but an Egyptian king.) This was no flight from Persians!
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101
Regardless! The fact of the matter is that Psammetichus was much more friendly toward the Assyriens or persians; while the Nubians were much more welcoming and opposed to the barbarians semites!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY Psammetichus (actually Psamtek I) was the one who established independence from the Assyrians. His father was killed by a Nubian invader so understandably little love lost on that front.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 but also still more because the Colchians, Egyptians,
and Ethiopians alone of all the races of men have practised circumcision
from the first.... Of the Egyptians themselves however and the Ethiopians, I
am not able to say which learnt from the other, for undoubtedly it is a
most ancient custom!
Where is the Afrocentrism here! Or, like some dude told me once:" The egyptian, the Kemniou by their real name, were Euroethiops!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@rahotep101 but also still more because the Colchians, Egyptians,
and Ethiopians alone of all the races of men have practised circumcision
from the first.... Of the Egyptians themselves however and the Ethiopians, I
am not able to say which learnt from the other, for undoubtedly it is a
most ancient custom!
Where is the Afrocentrism here! Or, like some dude told me once:" The egyptian, the Kemniou by their real name, were Euroethiops! lol
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY Herodotus doesn't say the Egyptians are 'Ethiopians', only mentioning that both practice circumcision, as do the Jews. Not the least suggestion of ethnic affinity is made. Furthermore he mentions that the Asmach deserters were a civilizing influence among the barbarian 'Ethiopians', among whom they settled. It makes you wonder how uncouth the Ethiopians were considered to be, given that the Asmach themselves were a pretty rough bunch of traitors and mutineers!
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 No, Herodotus also say that the Colchians were black-skinned, thus Egyptian. Beyond that point, since many Nation are black skinned, they, the colchians, practice circumcision like the ethiopians and egyptians. Amazingly, he cannot tell which people learnt the practice from the other. But both Nations are the older to engage in such a practice! He never mentioned no Jews!
You cannot distort a text to fit your petite ideology and fallacy.
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY I didn't say he mentioned the jews. Herodotus must have been talking in relative terms about the appearence of the Colchians, whose descendants live in Georgia to this day and aren't black. Some translations give 'dark skinned and curly haired'. (Another classical author called them yellow!) This description clearly doesn't necessarily denote negro Africans, neither did the Egyptians ever represent themselves like negroes, only their southern enemies.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 "There is another island above Meroe which is held by the Egyptian fugitives who revolted in the time of Psammetichus, and are called "Sembritae" meaning "Foreigners".They are ruled by a Queen, but they are SUBJECT to the KINGS of MEROE"...Strabo, 64 B.C.E (Book 17).
There were different type of Ethiopians,some were Primitive, some were NOMADIC and others were CIVILIZED and Osiris was of the CIVILIZED Ethiopian tribe.No different from a Civilized Greek & SAVAGE Germanic or Celtic.
raidio1 1 year ago
@rahotep101
The more I read Herodotus history, the more I am confirmed that today's Africans are indeed the real descendants of ancient Egyptians:
-"for among them the women frequent the market and carry on trade, while the men remain at home and weave"
African markets are dominated by women while artisanal work tend to be male focused. Go to any African market to observe this and compare with "Arabs" who lock their women up and make them wear all sorts of body covering clothes.
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY Herodotus bordered on parody with his talk of women pissing standing up and men staying at home to weave. It was a reflection of the Greek view that Egyptian women didn't know their place. He exaggerated these things to emphasize the difference from Greek society. That said I've heard Arab men sit down to 'make water'. I gater it's something Islamic culture encourages, for reasons best known to themselves.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 Dude, this was 2500 years ago!
Herodotus is talking about "kneeling"! And, yes, many Sahelians Africans tend to kneel while pissing. I don't know why they do that but it is amazing that, here herodotus is already depicting a practice that is still alive within the african context up to now. Most importantly though, is the similarities in division of labor between females and males, artisanal works, so on and so forth.
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY I believe Herodotus's stories about how Egyptians go to the toilet about as much as I believe his story that Ethiopians have black semen instead of white.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY Or maybe it was Indians, pretty daft either way.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 Furthermore, it has be shown that linguistically, genetically, and culturally Egypt is closely related with many other African civilizations.
Egypt was matrilineal and matrilocal. Meaning that family descent was tracked mother to daughter and when a man married, he established his home near to his mother-in-law's house. This is the institution which determined the Pharaoh and the dynasties. This survives throughout Africa to the present and nowhere else in the world.
iArsalan 1 year ago
@iArsalan Genetically is debatable. The pharaohs of the 18th dynasty were harplotype r1b and blood group A, which is not an African characteristics. Culturally again, the norm in Egypt was living in square houses with chairs and tables. As for matrilineal descent, that was also known among numerous European cultures, notably the Picts. There is no proven affinity between Egyptian and sub-saharan languages especially Niger-Congo ones, and the only place Coptic survives is Egypt itself.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 I can't stress matrilineal affinities enough because it separates Egypt from the whole of the ancient world with exception to Africa. In most societies, especially Europe, a woman was the property of her husband. This is opposed to Africa where the woman are the blood line and often the sole owners of property.
Consequently, Egypt, like the rest of Africa, practiced regicide. A ritual "killing of the king" eventually becoming symbolic.
iArsalan 1 year ago
@iArsalan That clearly isn't the case because maternal lines of ancestry were (as mentioned) important in Pictish traditions, and vestiges of an Earth mother cult preserved in many societies- Egypt being eceptional in having an earth god and sky goddess. It wasn't vital for an Egyptian pharaoh to have a mother of royal blood in order to be considered legitimate, and the matrilineal aspect of Egyptian monarchy has been somewhat overplayed. Where do you get Egyptian regicide from?
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 The Kamose was the last king of the 17th dynasty. His brother Ahmose started the 18th. That doesn't make since in patrilineal ascension. It only makes since if the dynasty is governed by the woman. The wife of Ahmose wasn't from the same family line as Kasmose's wife, therefore a new dynasty was born. How can you down grade so pivotal a cultural institution as family bonds?
The Heb Sed festival was a ritual reenactment of ancient regicide. There are numerous works on this.
iArsalan 1 year ago
@iArsalan Yes, that is odd, given that the 18th dynasty continues through various pharaohs of no relation or of different mothers, eg Thutmosis III had a non-royal mother, and non-Royals Ay and Horembab are also counted as part of the dynasty. Kiya the mother of Tut seems was supposedly the full sister of his father Akhenaten yet was not the Great Royal Wife of this reign. Akhenaten's mother Tiye was not directly royal, either.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 Because you refuse to recognize the royal mother of them all. Look for the grandmother of Queen Tiye. Like I said, you need to do much more research. You knowledge on this subject leaves much to be desired.
At this point the present scholarship isn't even debating weather Egypt is a product of Africa; but rather to what extent it originated it's own motifs from a common cultural tapestry existent throughout Africa.
iArsalan 1 year ago
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@rahotep101 "Other traditions say Egypt itself was the first land to rise from the waters of chaos and that the Egyptians were the earliest people."
Cite the traditions that make this claim? Kemet and Greece are not among them. Kemites said that the Anu traveled from the "Mountains of the Moon" where the Nile originates. Greek traditions maintain that Kushites were the first and most blessed people.
It's in the opening lines of the Iliad.
iArsalan 1 year ago
@rahotep101 I mean it's as if you've read none of the research since the 50's. These things are well discussed and researched in scholarly circles. It's a truism now that Kemet was an indigenous African civilization. The notions to the contrary have long been proven to be the result of European propaganda meant to support imperial agendas regarding Africa.
iArsalan 1 year ago
@iArsalan Don't find much substance in that comment.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@iArsalan There are still indigenous blacks in Kam but they are kept AWAY from the cameras to support delusion that the invaders in the 7th century are NATIVES.
BlackmatterX 2 months ago
@rahotep101 Time and again you dodge the most undeniable points. The Kemites themselves say they originated from the land of Punt in the South. Which research has shown to be in Northern Ethiopia at the origin of the Nile; lake Tana. All the early symbols, the crook and flail, the white crown, the primordial Neteru, all are the be found in the Sudan before dynastic Kemet.
All scientific research on the topic continues to point to East Africa as the origin of the people and culture of Kemet.
iArsalan 1 year ago
@iArsalan Other traditions say Egypt itself was the first land to rise from the waters of chaos and that the Egyptians were the earliest people. The crook and flail were first associated with the Delta region god Andjety (prefursor of Osiris, linked to agreculture). Egyptian language culture and religion grew up in Egypt, that being where the first agrulture in Africa took root, probably after contact with Mesopotamia. Egypt was born of settlement, the people of the south remained nomad herders.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 Once again, extremely dated info. Agriculture did not start after contact with Mesopotamia. In 4000 bc, pottery in Sudan was already at an advanced state; it would take the rest of the world 1k years to catch up. Pottery is produced by settled agricultural populations. The crook and flail were implements of cattle herding. All Pharaonic symbolism ties to cattle culture. In Kemet, one's Ka was associated with their favored cow. All elements African nilotic cattle culture.
iArsalan 1 year ago
@iArsalan Once again you need to do more research. There have been many well published documents and books since the 1960's illustrating the cultural and linguistic affinities between Kemet and Africa. Read, "The Religion of the Yorubas", J. Lucas or Sheik Anta Diop's analysis of Wolof in Senegal.
Furthermore, no European society has ever practice matrilineal inheritance (ie Mother to daughter and Uncle to nephew), nor recognized the woman as the "seat of power". That is distinctly African.
iArsalan 1 year ago
@rahotep101 I wonder what you will say about the story of diodorus in regard to the ethiopians and the egyptians. He states that the Ethiopians say that Egypt was one of their colony and was populated by their population that went North looking for better land. He also states that, from them, the egyptians have learned all their practices of honoring their kings, Gods and other customs.
I suppose the Ethiopians were LYING RIGHT?? HAHAHA.
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY I'm sure no Ethiopian was ever born with a dishonest bone in his body. This, however, is the realm of mythology. Osiris is supposed to have led the 'Ethiopian' colonization of Egypt, according to this myth, yet this god seems to be absent from the earliest Egyptian religious texts before the fifth dynasty. The myth also claims that all Egypt was sea before it was formed from Ethiopian Nile silt deposits, which sounds a bit unlikely to me.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 1) Osiris, Isis, and Horus are depicted in Kemite and Kushite art in the predynastic period. The earliest being the symbols of kingship found in Qustul, Sudan. This has been known since the 1950s.
2) It is well known that the waters of the Mediterranean almost reached the city of Memphis in the year of it's founding, and that much of the region was once under the sea in older epochs.
You really need to research more. Your knowledge is extremely dated.
iArsalan 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY Regardless of who the very earliest inhabitants of Egypt may have been it seems more than evident that the founders of pharaonic Egypt were closely akin to modern Egyptians.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 The black doves of Hellas! They
say that two black doves flew from Thebes in Egypt, and came one of them
to Libya and the other to their land. And this latter settled upon an
oak-tree and spoke with human voice, saying that it was necessary that
a prophetic seat of Zeus should be established there... but so long as she spoke a Barbarian tongue she seemed..to them to be uttering voice like a bird: And in saying that the dove was black, they indicate that the woman was Egyptian.
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago
Let's get this straight. The arabs are NOT Egyptians! The Arabs didn't enter Africa until 638 AD! Egypt was established about 3,000 BC. Even a raghead could figure this one out.
Face it, your ancestors in arabia didn't do jack. You sat out there humping your camels until you polluted all your water and wandered west, where the Africans civilied you...until some damn fool taught you people how to make a suicide vest. You people didn't exist until you got to Africa- get over it!
j1607760 3 years ago 7
Both Egyptian and Nubians were to Black races fighting among each other
Robmorgan144 3 years ago
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Robmorgan144
What a Bullshit Statement is that? Nubians and Egyptians are NOT the same people. Nubians were our Slaves.
Faraoh08 3 years ago
Egyptians originated in the south. The Nubians are the true founders of egypt or Kemetic culture. The kingdom of Nubia is older that taught on this film. It pre dates Egypt
Robmorgan144 3 years ago
Robmorgan144
Egyptians came from Egypt, and NOT south of Egypt.
Nice fairy tail of a Story.
Faraoh08 3 years ago
They originated in the South go read upper Egypt and were not Arab
Robmorgan144 3 years ago
Robmorgan144
Excuse me, Are you going to Educate me about My own History? According to our Temples, The Pharaohs have said they came from Egypt, By The way, I get My Education from the Dandira Temple and NOT some false Information..
Faraoh08 3 years ago