Left 4 Dead 2 with the Razer Hydra

[mfhraptor]

"Sixense" made a unique praiseworthy invention, but "Razer" made a troublesome cheaply-built end product.

LT trigger is stuck!

I bought my Razer Hydra the day before yesterday and I don't recommend it for its faultiness. Too many people are complaining about many issues ranging from cursor "Jitter" to sticking triggers.

Jitter can be due to other electronic devices - producing electromagnetic field - placed too close to the base station or keeping the controllers far away from the base.

[Mefelis]

I Love razer

[pa3kj0shua]

But the floating axe is just arm-length away. It's not reaching as far as 5 meters for example...

[TheGrindThatAnnoys]

Left 4 dead would be fun on a wii u

[mcguyver99]

look like wii mote...



[darkheat246]

@mcguyver99 you mean nunchuck? The wii mote is the long one :P

[Soulece]

I think your all missing the point. If you watch the gameplay, the aiming is very smooth, even more so than a mouse, which isn't always steady since with lower DPI mice, the movement is staggered and with higher dpi mice (like my naga) the slightest movement will make my mouse move off course by half a screen width. With this controller it seems the most steady choice but I still have to personally use it to see if it's comfortable as well.

[Mosan13]

It was almost cool looking for Portal 2 because of the morphing on things and such but it on other games looks bad

[SynthSy]

Oh boy, just what i wanted, now even more casuals who play the wii with certain games now have a way to play on the master race pc gaming bandwagon.

GOOD JOB RAZER

[danns87]

I don't know why all the negative feedback. This looks very interesting and seems like it could refresh some old games I've played through a billion times, e.g. L4D2... But there's no way I'm dropping $140 on this gadget without being able to try it out first.

[Pazasco]

probably the worse thing ever made..........

makes me want to hide my razer mice, and mosuepad.........

[stalker7d7]

great gameplay video...show a guy get incapped right away... then jockied...

[shimmytsgk]

mouse > controller. I play consoles but cant play a pc game using a console controller. you already have it on zee xbox. I won't trade it my naga epic edition for this ever!

[biohazzardnoz]

Whats with all the negativity, the aiming is perfect and you can sit anywhere in you room gaming (if you have you PC hooked uo to a large TV, which I guess most of you don't have).

[foilister]

looks rather painful to use in long periods

[Biidi2001]

So they figured out how to make a Wiimote work on the PC. Maybe they'll find out how to make a 360 controller next!

[Edvardas96]

@Biidi2001 you are the biggest idiot, you can use a 360 controller on pc from the time xbox came out...

[Biidi2001]

@Edvardas96 It's called sarcasm, thank you very much. You can use a Wiimote on the PC also without anything special either.

[manstie]

Why would anyone trade this in for a mouse?

[TheCodename54]

Do they have a ten day free trial?

[CarlosIsDown]

always with the pink hands.

[kamakazman1]

yeah that axe motion never made it into support for the hydra... disappointing.

[KaneCorp133]

It's weird, because I have this, and in-game my axe doesn't respond like that.. Just a regular axe.

[xhaloownerx]

@KaneCorp133 They took the feature out for whatever reason. You can play amnesia with it though. :D

[Daxter609]

@KaneCorp133 They'll put it in as a patch.

[dogmanthing2343]

HOLY SHIT BIG FREAKING ZOMBIE

[yamipegasus]

When you get downed less than thirty seconds into the video, it's time to re-record.

[OugaBoogaShockwave]

@yamipegasus lol cause usually thats the case but he's not being uber, hydra works nicely.

[mahraja2]

what a super bad payer must be a kid

[Secretsofsociety]

I think this is A. the best use of motion controls I have seen( you can actually play real games) and B. the closest thing to replacing my mouse as the ultimate aiming device(thumb sticks suck). That said I don't think its fast or accurate enough to replace the mouse of thumb sticks yet but I would have to see for myself. If you can use the thumb sticks for macro movement and the motion for aiming at things in front of you that might be cool.

[MGuniverse]

They need they extra $100 they price per Hyda so they can hire new marketing agents and possibly afford to redesign their logo.

[goldendisc]

It's nice, and is something I'd try, but it's a peripheral priced like a console. £140? Really?

[shittybuttt]

I'd like to see this used for Dead Island. If any of you have seen gameplay, you know that you are gonna need precision swinging of weapons to take out specific zombie body parts and it seems like this would be perfect.

[Seventaiji]

[The on]e set in this video is not bad, but not good enough to play hard, I guess.

[Seventaiji]

The fact that it is a motion controller does not mean that it is not accurate. The real problem when you want to make free moves in a game like an FPS (where accuracy is a main factor, for sure) is about choices that you must do between the camera's control and the character's control. Since you can't turn your back on your screen (or build a 360 degree stuff?), you have to make compromises. I like this thing, and I might get one. But I surely might search how to get the best compromise. The on

[VertexARTS]

Guys its marketing of improving, as long as they make something you should be happy, because if they dont you wont see nothing new for ages.

[simpaklimp]

looks like a double nun-chuck...

[RaageQuit]

One of the things i love about PC games is the precision and feel of mouse controls... If i just wanted to play games to have fun with my friends (whilst i love having fun playing games) i would have just bought a cheapo xbox, not a gaming PC and tonnes of Razer gear.

[jman19mwi]

@RaageQuit wii,ps3,xbox 360 fail in motion sensor game this is use a magnetic field you dont need to stand up or stand front of device

[Wofaze]

Hmm, this could probably work with puzzle games and MMOs ( I can wish rite?)

[Gaming4Tube]

Holy shit no lag wahtsoever? even when You record?! What did You record with?

[gantas189]

I can hear the tank from miles away =="

[tuollaff]

i hope they drop the axe handling thing. Its shit

[ju4nk4r]

Why would you make a gameplay video of L4D2 to advertise a controller and get hit by the boomer, by the jockey, by the hunter... Also, it seems like shooting and moving at the same time is not supported by the controller?

[nickhuh]

this guy makes you not want to buy it

[moherowy13]

I was like "hey, the audio is outta sync!"

[Umguerreirok]

Just because this is a controller, and not a console, the prices here in Brazil will be like 20% of the PS3 cost.

[mundalini]

mouse and keyboard FTW!

[Kaossdemon]

Really? A $140 controller? Really? Who the hell would buy that? You can buy the actual console this is copying for $140. It's so intuitive it removes the hands when holding an axe so you can chop more freely. It probably uses the same technology to wield the axe and to see where your controller is: magnetism. Simply brilliant.

[Umguerreirok]

@Kaossdemon I would buy that

[Kaossdemon]

@Umguerreirok I'm considering it too. I've always wanted a motion controller on my PC and for it to be compatible with most games and this one most definitely is. They claim 125 games will support the controller when it comes out, but still the price is insane.

[Daxter609]

@Kaossdemon Doesn't it come with Portal 2 if you buy it? The Portal 2 may be the extra $40.

[Kaossdemon]

@Daxter609 Yes it does. You could've just read my previous comment where I say I'm going to buy one. Still $100 for a game controller is ridiculous.

[Daxter609]

@Kaossdemon Well I can find it reasonable. It's not like the PS3 move and the Wii, this is more Dynamic and Accurate while PS3 move and Wii you pretty much just point at it's sensor bar/camera. You can use pretty much any game on your computer with these and for games that don't have out of the box support these come with and SDK for you to use on them. It also allows for custom gestures. These seem a lot more accurate then console controllers, and for people who hate aiming with analog sticks.

[Kaossdemon]

@Daxter609 I knoooow. I've already mentioned most of the things you mentioned here in my previous comment.

[joxpider]

what a stupid axe

[XSm0k3X]

The greatest thing about first-person shooters on the PC is having a mouse and keyboard. Precision controls at its finest. Why would you want to take that away?

[benq3000]

"Bulletstorm with the Razer Hydra" actually links to this video.

FAIL.

[Z0mbieS1ayer]

Is it just me or is that thing retarded?

[haiiyaa]

if someone said he was playing with motion sensing controllers on my team i would kick him off the server

[shadowpawn12]

@haiiyaa fag

[IFacinatedI]

makes u more unlucky.

[mic758]

DId you hear him? He was like 'How the hell do i use the medkit with this?' LOL

[gregor00005]

oh wow he is so good

[SmallBoyzzz]

why would you use something like a wii controller playing on pc? keyboard and mice will totally pwn you

[REDxFROG]

weird how the crosshair leads the view. Also needs to be less laggy imo.

But nice proof of concept. However I don't see how PC players would benefit of THIS - gabe newell says it's an important step to the PCers.

Promoting much huh?

I'd ONLY get it for the fun of it, for a few rounds of gaming with some new device in my hands when the price is nice. But nothing any serious.

I never used Wiimote and never used the Xbox/PS3 controller.

[Thet3]

@REDxFROG I would use it for sp & mouse for multi..

[altu892]

i would rather use my mouse and keyboard which  1year old

[tyler84]

bad demo..  mouse FTW

[soramatita]

FLYING AXE!

[hunter39999]

looks goofy, by the way, the sound is.. Laggy...

[raccoozie]

I know this is just a proof of concept, but just because you can swing the axe freely doesn't mean that it has to be magically floating in the air.

[Daxter609]

@raccoozie But how would the arm move if people started doing retarded angles

[Ar7ific1al]

@raccoozie Yes, actually, it does. There's no view model for it. Given your logic, you should be able to complete a extremely complex mathematical operation very quickly with zero prior knowledge of how to perform the operation. Not true? Oh yes, from what you say, this follows your logic exactly. Learn how these things work in games before you comment with things like this.

[raccoozie]

@Ar7ific1al Except in Kinect games the entire character's body follows your motion 1:1, on the fly, without any prior knowledge of the operation. If you're saying that either Razer or Valve aren't skilled enough to get a single arm to work when Kinect has the whole body...thats a different problem. Don't belittle these companies that way. They're better than a floating axe.

[Ar7ific1al]

@raccoozie This thing and Kinect are two completely different things lmfao I'm not "belittling" Razer or VALVe. VALVe would have to do an overhaul on the engine to incorporate such a thing, which they are most likely not going to do. And just so you don't accuse me of belittling them again, I'll clarify for your tiny misunderstanding brain. VALVe most likely WILL NOT, I'm not saying they can't. Fool. Again, learn how these things work before making such comments.

[TheBlitMaster]

@raccoozie Not really on the fly. It's response time is barley half of the frame rate of the game your playing and is sometimes down to almost a quarter. HYDRA responds nearly 4 times as fast as the actual game allowing a much smoother and enjoyable experience. This also has more then 3 good games out for it 125 to be exact and has a much greater SDK allowing software devs to make games for it easier and better. Skyrim will probably support it as well and I don't see Kinect doing that ever.

[dino88cro]

@TheBlitMaster this seems far more advance than kinect just look at how smooth the axe flows and how it reacts to the input, also skyrim does seem like the perfect game for the hydra support considering how they revamped combat

[TheBlitMaster]

@dino88cro That's what I was saying it can handle much more then the Kinect could ever dream of. It's speed and accuracy are on par with their gaming mice. I doubt Skyrim will support Hydra but it definitely is more possible then Kinect. Plus if they put the SDK in the engine they won't have to because modders will do that for them. His argument with everyone was that Kinect was superior but it obviously wasn't.

[jman19mwi]

@TheBlitMaster Skyrim will work with this device it has oblivion on it 125 compatibly game list 

[Daxter609]

@jman19mwi I hope they fully intergrate the controllers potential like they did with all the Valve games like using melee weapons from any angle to hit enemies. I hear that Bethesda wants to implement kinect support for it. I think they should really consider this.

[jman19mwi]

@Daxter609 i think they do both.

[jman19mwi]

@Daxter609 tomorrow the UPS will be at my house with razer hydra lucky i order on the june 18th because it out order right now XD

[Umguerreirok]

@raccoozie now think: why make it shitty by handle it?

[sgttris]

@raccoozie Lol it's source physics, instead of wielding it normally it's holding it like you would in half life or portal

[ARRL92]

I believe they are showing this for us to see what experience we would get. The final product is not out yet so Razer can still perfect this. Can't say I don't like it, but I'll wait for the reviews when the final product comes out.

[TheAlderac]

So... it's a device that makes it hard to do anything useful in a game... Normally I like your products... but this... just seems worthless.

[clarkkent999]

Guest what. He is not healing because he don't know how

[clarkkent999]

lololololol

[Thet3]

@drummererb no it competes with consoles to attract new gamers! or would you rather razer start supporting consoles more instead?

[drummererb]

@Thet3 Actually I like these but not for this. The new Portal 2 levels really show what these can do and really enhances the gameplay. These make playing normal games and adding nothing new awful. In fact, if I was playing with this game and someone said "I'm playing with these new Hydras!" I'd kick them.

[darkheat246]

@drummererb Most people are against progress just like the people who use 1366 socket Mobo's they're gonna be replaced by the LGA2011 socket and it's surprising all the work intel is doing for the new CPU's yet the "bulldozer" CPU by AMD has 8 cores and it stock clock and over clock speeds are faster then the stock clock and over clocked speeds the intel LGA2011 based CPU's I suggest intel work on that before AMD release it.

[OugaBoogaShockwave]

@darkheat246 if this came with a new game like BF3 i'd get it but i already have portal 2, it doesn't seem worth 140 just for the hardware, 100 sounds better.

Gotta checkup on that "bulldozer", itching to switch back over to AMD, hope it's better in gaming then lga2011