Are people aware here what makes this symphony movement so special? It's using the form of a Chaconne, with something like 30 variations on the steady bass progression. Indeed, it's a huge accomplishment for Brahms to unite the Baroque with the Romantic, and he has done it brilliantly here.
This is my favorite symphony by Johannes Brahms. She has such tremendous power that have not the previous symphonies. I consider this symphony a lot better than the second symphony that is more pastoral, while the 4th symphony has this tragic and very high power as well as the tragic ouverture.
@moviefreek234 Quit right too! This is tragic drama of the High Romantic. It speaks or raging torrents through mountainous gorges. Human struggle failure and triumph, pain and glory. In short - some of the emotions that are most open to human abuse. It is also magnificent and humane. I don't know why people think they can just dismiss Brahms as 'slushy'. This is some of the most angular music I know in the diatonic system. My late uncle - whom I miss terribly - hated this stuff. Not me.
Hello. Because the art of composing the symphonies of Brahms was based on the traditions of Beethoven and not on the traditions of program music of Berlios and Liszt. Also,Brahms is the first great romantic symphonic composer after Beethoven.
Hey, this is cool. I'm mostly a rock'n'roll guy. Now after all that time trolling through the dregs of youtube comments, I've finally found some class! Before you say anything negative about rock understand it was the rock band Yes that led me here. Check out Cans and Brahms off Yes Fragile!
Just wanted to comment for this playlist that this is the fourth mov ot the 4th symphony, while the three previous are the three first movs of the 3rd symphony. It's quite weird to suddenly jump to the 4th symphony while expecting the last mov of the 3rd. Otherwise, great playlist, thanks for posting!
I enjoy putting pieces of music in context to make them just that much more powerful. With as passion as Brahms's music emits AND evokes, it's hard to believe that there were not sources for this passion.
Doesn't this piece sound as though it's a release of passion (and, in turn, a release of utter compositional brilliance)? I think this "release" of concentrated and focused frustration is truly exemplified at the end.
It's as though he feels like he is finally able to say he is free from comparison with Beethoven. (not that he cared, his reasons for not wanting to be compared to Beethoven were not prideful, but reasons of humility due to his vehement respect for Beethoven). He became is own in this symphony. I hear some misinformed and misguided people talk about how Brahms just copied Beethoven, discarding Brahms as they discard Shostakovich when comparing Dmitri to Mahler.
In the case of Shostakovich, it may be warranted, but in the case of Brahms i think "any arse could see that" is insane to claim.
Beethoven's 9th, in my opinion, is the greatest piece of music ever written. Usually people group Bach, Beethoven, and Mozart together as the 3 greatest. Brahms should unanimously be considered with them, but is not because i think that he is STILL overshadowed by Beethoven. Anyways, I could go on and on, so I'll stop.
Try listening to Brahms's symphonies with these types of contexts in your mind. Picture him composing this music with a chronic and passionate frustration, yet still being able to compose musical works with the entire scope in mind, and that his music isn't just full of sporadic musical assertions filled with passion. In his romantic and powerful passion, there is remarkable continuity. This, itself, is a brilliant accomplishment.
@npa589 La IV di Brahms è la più ALTA sinfonia della storia della musica! Karajan ne è stato uno dei più grandi interpreti in assoluto, per certi aspetti sicuramente IL più grande.
@npa589 hey man, beethovens 9th is an incredible symphony, but i am personally more captivated by plenty of others, though utmost respect to beethoven for influencing all these symphonies i like a whole lot, such as the brahms 4.
@npa589 Absolutely right. Brahms was by no means a copycat - his music is of unparalleled beauty and originality. I think it may indeed be warranted in Shostakovich's case - I don't find his music to be as original, I don't consider him to be a real 'master' composer. And I would argue that it is ridiculous that people consider Bach, Mozart and Beethoven to be the only three greatest. Brahms is on the same level as those three - so is Haydn, Mendelssohn and all the great master composers.
@npa589 Music is not a competition :) They are all great, and have contributed to the world of art. There is no reason to arrange them in a herarchy. That's to me one of the best things about music. You can't really say someone is number one or "the best guitar player" even though people do it all the time, it just doesen't really have any meaning. It's not a sport and not a competition. It's expression of thoughts and feelings in alanguage that knows know borders.
@npa589 Do you really think it took brahms until this symphony, his 98th opus, to become his own? Brahms was always his own composer. He knew what he was doing since day 1.
Great recording, and I agree with npa589's analysis. The way I view it, after Brahms' first symphony, people sort of realized that this guy had the ability to compose symphonies up to the standard that Beethoven's were held. Brahms was maybe the first composer to have been viewed as the true "successor" to Beethoven.
However, by the time he got done with his 4th symphony, he had moved beyond simply being viewed as the "next" Beethoven (or at least should have) and into a realm of composing that was different from anything Beethoven had ever done.
You're welcome. There weren't any fantastic recordings of Brahms's symphonies on YouTube - believe it or not. I figured that that should probably change...
you are being excessively creative. LOL
s071302 2 months ago
<3 3:10
Are people aware here what makes this symphony movement so special? It's using the form of a Chaconne, with something like 30 variations on the steady bass progression. Indeed, it's a huge accomplishment for Brahms to unite the Baroque with the Romantic, and he has done it brilliantly here.
TheNewFlutist 2 months ago 2
Bravo, bravo!!! (standing and clapping at the same time)
LaPersonaNonGrata 3 months ago
This is my favorite symphony by Johannes Brahms. She has such tremendous power that have not the previous symphonies. I consider this symphony a lot better than the second symphony that is more pastoral, while the 4th symphony has this tragic and very high power as well as the tragic ouverture.
dvorakslavenskiples 6 months ago
@moviefreek234 Quit right too! This is tragic drama of the High Romantic. It speaks or raging torrents through mountainous gorges. Human struggle failure and triumph, pain and glory. In short - some of the emotions that are most open to human abuse. It is also magnificent and humane. I don't know why people think they can just dismiss Brahms as 'slushy'. This is some of the most angular music I know in the diatonic system. My late uncle - whom I miss terribly - hated this stuff. Not me.
shutoman7 7 months ago
This symphony kind of scares me...
moviefreek234 9 months ago
The end of this symphony is amazing! The timpani roll at the very end is so powerful.
packer812 10 months ago
Hello. Because the art of composing the symphonies of Brahms was based on the traditions of Beethoven and not on the traditions of program music of Berlios and Liszt. Also,Brahms is the first great romantic symphonic composer after Beethoven.
crazyhorse2005 10 months ago
Is this Berlin Phil?
atecia 11 months ago
Does 9:12-9:19 sound like Brahms was being sarcastic about enjoying life?
counterpoint35 11 months ago
wow, holy damn. . . might catch this gig in seattle come february, I'm ready to be abducted by aliens
this is blowing my head open
themagicbullet 1 year ago
Hey, this is cool. I'm mostly a rock'n'roll guy. Now after all that time trolling through the dregs of youtube comments, I've finally found some class! Before you say anything negative about rock understand it was the rock band Yes that led me here. Check out Cans and Brahms off Yes Fragile!
depedro99 1 year ago
beautiful piece!
my favorite part was 2:05-2:30
4EverMusicAddict 1 year ago
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ilkinond 1 year ago
Absolute masterpice. Brilliant performance. Thank you for posting it.
MrLombreeze 1 year ago
8:53 gives me goosebumps. This is truly wonderful.
Thank you very much, npa589!
forrestisnotmoody 2 years ago
Is this the 1977 recording?
SpottyDorsord 2 years ago
I think it is: it sounds like anyway!
1donpizarro 2 years ago
Just wanted to comment for this playlist that this is the fourth mov ot the 4th symphony, while the three previous are the three first movs of the 3rd symphony. It's quite weird to suddenly jump to the 4th symphony while expecting the last mov of the 3rd. Otherwise, great playlist, thanks for posting!
fgeu 2 years ago
Why is Beethoven's grave in the video?
TovenAAA 2 years ago 14
I enjoy putting pieces of music in context to make them just that much more powerful. With as passion as Brahms's music emits AND evokes, it's hard to believe that there were not sources for this passion.
Doesn't this piece sound as though it's a release of passion (and, in turn, a release of utter compositional brilliance)? I think this "release" of concentrated and focused frustration is truly exemplified at the end.
npa589 2 years ago 6
It's as though he feels like he is finally able to say he is free from comparison with Beethoven. (not that he cared, his reasons for not wanting to be compared to Beethoven were not prideful, but reasons of humility due to his vehement respect for Beethoven). He became is own in this symphony. I hear some misinformed and misguided people talk about how Brahms just copied Beethoven, discarding Brahms as they discard Shostakovich when comparing Dmitri to Mahler.
npa589 2 years ago 7
In the case of Shostakovich, it may be warranted, but in the case of Brahms i think "any arse could see that" is insane to claim.
Beethoven's 9th, in my opinion, is the greatest piece of music ever written. Usually people group Bach, Beethoven, and Mozart together as the 3 greatest. Brahms should unanimously be considered with them, but is not because i think that he is STILL overshadowed by Beethoven. Anyways, I could go on and on, so I'll stop.
npa589 2 years ago 7
I guess I'll just finish with this:
Try listening to Brahms's symphonies with these types of contexts in your mind. Picture him composing this music with a chronic and passionate frustration, yet still being able to compose musical works with the entire scope in mind, and that his music isn't just full of sporadic musical assertions filled with passion. In his romantic and powerful passion, there is remarkable continuity. This, itself, is a brilliant accomplishment.
npa589 2 years ago 6
Well I see what you are getting at and I am glad you clarified my question. Thank you.
TovenAAA 2 years ago
@npa589 wonderfully stated
lindzyIsAwesome 7 months ago
@npa589 La IV di Brahms è la più ALTA sinfonia della storia della musica! Karajan ne è stato uno dei più grandi interpreti in assoluto, per certi aspetti sicuramente IL più grande.
renato45222 3 weeks ago
@npa589 hey man, beethovens 9th is an incredible symphony, but i am personally more captivated by plenty of others, though utmost respect to beethoven for influencing all these symphonies i like a whole lot, such as the brahms 4.
rigerouspokemon 11 months ago
@npa589 Absolutely right. Brahms was by no means a copycat - his music is of unparalleled beauty and originality. I think it may indeed be warranted in Shostakovich's case - I don't find his music to be as original, I don't consider him to be a real 'master' composer. And I would argue that it is ridiculous that people consider Bach, Mozart and Beethoven to be the only three greatest. Brahms is on the same level as those three - so is Haydn, Mendelssohn and all the great master composers.
codeman2008 5 months ago
@npa589 Music is not a competition :) They are all great, and have contributed to the world of art. There is no reason to arrange them in a herarchy. That's to me one of the best things about music. You can't really say someone is number one or "the best guitar player" even though people do it all the time, it just doesen't really have any meaning. It's not a sport and not a competition. It's expression of thoughts and feelings in alanguage that knows know borders.
Mazdak1986 1 week ago
@npa589 Comparing Shostakovich do Mahler is a crime. Shostakovich was able to create ingenious moments in music.
JMTaxus 11 months ago
@npa589 Do you really think it took brahms until this symphony, his 98th opus, to become his own? Brahms was always his own composer. He knew what he was doing since day 1.
anzioa 1 week ago
Great recording, and I agree with npa589's analysis. The way I view it, after Brahms' first symphony, people sort of realized that this guy had the ability to compose symphonies up to the standard that Beethoven's were held. Brahms was maybe the first composer to have been viewed as the true "successor" to Beethoven.
KSF2424 2 years ago
However, by the time he got done with his 4th symphony, he had moved beyond simply being viewed as the "next" Beethoven (or at least should have) and into a realm of composing that was different from anything Beethoven had ever done.
KSF2424 2 years ago 5
I just love this movement. Congratulations. The Lady in the video is Clara Schumann? And the young gentleman Johannes in his youth?
Clara la femme fatale! poor Johannes, poor Robert!!
EineAlpensinfonie 1 year ago
@TovenAAA Beethoven was a huge influence on Brahms. In fact, a lot of people called Brahms' first symphony, Beethovens 10th.
ThePaulinoContreras 9 months ago
where can i get this music?
pol4ris012 2 years ago
Download a YouTube to MP3 Converter & carry over the URL.
ashraniyyah 2 years ago
7 11
christenstjohn 2 years ago
Itunes has the very album
TovenAAA 2 years ago
great recording.
I much prefer to Kleiber's.
johnquamer 2 years ago
Thank you! Brahms is great!
andycpj007 2 years ago
Thanks!
breakaway022 2 years ago 2
You're welcome. There weren't any fantastic recordings of Brahms's symphonies on YouTube - believe it or not. I figured that that should probably change...
npa589 2 years ago
I'm sorry that I don't have the video for it though!
npa589 2 years ago
Yes, i dolike a lot Karajan.
Deimosxsz 2 years ago
Great upload. Thanks!
Donkeyote589 3 years ago 4