Ryotedori Waza: Intermediate Aikido Techniques : Kokyunage Tenkan from Ryotedori

[0athos0]

the blue guy's gotten himself one hell of a job.

[shahruledree]

i heard something crack at the end

[dinorell]

Perfect for football offensive linemen.

[somethingAWSOMEify]

HAHA lol he smacks the guy at the end i think

[corochoone]

This is mistake. From ryo-kata-dori, not from ryotedori

[Jenivera]

that's cool but only if your the same height. won't work if your shorter than the guy will it?

[mole114]

@Jenivera yes it would its nothing to do with size at all its timing and movement my niece who is 13 did a similar version 2 this on sunday its such a mind blowing experience 2 be thrown by a 4ft 13 year old with no strength used lol

[caaikiman1]

@Jenivera - great question, and the answer is yes it still works. i have two 11 year olds in my class, one is my son and when attacked by the adults he struggles because of the height difference(in his mind). then i get on my knees(making me shorter than he) and perform the technique showing him size doesn't matter. the techniques work by using off-balance and re-direction of force, i have a lady that weights 105 in my class and she can throw the largest male in the class- he weights 280.

[emado4ever]

thanks alot for posting, I think this move is a Bnkai for the last move of Unsu kata shotokan Karate hat do you think ????

[LifeWatcher000]

a great technique perfect for a what i like to call ( the jumper) the guy's friend in a fight the has to jump in and charge you and then the ramification of the second guy charge sparks a full blown "rondori " third guy charges and etc.

[andrewasle]

Thumbs up if seeing steven seagal movies had inspired you too watch these aikido videos! Not to mention that Steven is a 8TH Dan Aikido master :)

[Mrchaplestreet]

lol is it me or dus his arm sounds like it cracks at the end of this film

[superesonator]

Slightly mislabeled, this is ryote mune dori, the title says ryotekubidori.

[yytsy]

You also have to consider that the founding art of Aikido (Daito-ryu) was designed specifically for wearers of swords. The history of Daito-ryu references Oshikiuchi as an art of limited self-defense technique without weapons. This is also believed to be where shiiko originates (knee walking techniques) which "Shihonage" referenced in a message to me.

The bottom line is that all of this stuff is useful, but you need to adapt to modern times as well. O'Sensei wanted Aikido to be progressive.

[siulumlion]

A gun doesn't work if you leave the safety on or point it in the wrong direction. I hope this was helpful.

[maraclp]

@siulumlion what you said that aikido is stupid and that you cant do any damage to attacker well if you try to find video when someone strikes other guy you will see that you can "put them to sleep" with one strike

[waffamoto]

This doesn't work if you're too slow or he's a good grappler, one would ponder. Anybody care to enlighten me?

[Waiting4TheWorms]

There is no fight without an agressor. I always keep a defensive posture and let them come to me. If neither bring it, then no sense in fighting. It's an empass.

[DankMcstankey]

@Waiting4TheWorms Hence you're screen name?

[abomb10]

@Waiting4TheWorms I agree thats why there isn't a real Dead or Alive place because not too many people are just going to fight for no reason.

[yytsy]

I would care to respond: while shihonage commented on my earlier comment, I think my point was missed. This is not a street technique. The uke in this video is not grabbing, for one. If he DID grab, it would be (as I have experienced in actual life) a better way to control him, but several factors, such as attacker's arm length, whether he sucks you in, etc, will vary your options.

[yytsy]

in my 22 years of training, I have spoken to a lot of people who have said this is a street technique, but never one who has actually used it. Anytime (and there have been at least three) that I've been attacked like this, it's never been LIKE THIS. The zombie grab, as I call it, doesn't happen. They explode quickly when in range of you, and it's muscular and fast, not soft bending like an uke. Sorry to disagree, but I've lived it in the dojo and the street. It is what it is.

[shihonage]

By the way, there is another technique for getting out of a muscular grab. It involves rotating your elbows outward inside their grasp and sharply shifting your torso forward as you turn to the side. Works on completely non-Aikido people who have no idea of ukemi.

[yytsy]

Well, you bring up a good point in identifying "non-Aikido people". The danger in tight quarters, as I have experienced fairly well, is that people who are drunk, have no idea of ukemi, or balancing themselves, are uniquely susceptible to certain techniques. Gifter athletes and especially grapplers are quite hard to control.

This is why Aikido is lacking in the aspect of being full spectrum. Aikido originates from Takeda's Daito-ryu (Aizu clan), but falls short of dealing with newaza.

[shihonage]

Of course it's not "Aiki" to control, but I operate on a level I understand.

One needs to see past wrist grabs, which are a training tool. Once you figure out other ways of keeping contact, and the Daito Ryu originated skeletal mechanics at the core of technique, several core Aikido techniques become applicable on fully resistant, live opponents.

However its not my duty to prove anything to every single doubter. If you have the patience to research it, you will see it. If not, then not.

[DJjNo1]

3rd kyu technique...guess were getting into energy techniques now...so to speak.

[bushwhacker2k]

I have seen this in a lot of aikido videos, just like he said.

At first I was a bit skeptic, but when he pushes down and back and steps back and pulls his hand I can totally see this technique working.

I don't think they'll flip and make it look like this, but I bet this technique could make them fall down effectively.

[dramsrle]

added to my favorite

[yytsy]

Kokyunage means "breath throw", and is really an exercise. This is honestly NOT a dependable real-word technique. It requires cooperation from the uke. Try doing this on a newby WITHOUT telling them how to place their arms during the technique. You have a great chance of getting popped in the face with the "high" hand.

[shihonage]

@yytsy: it does not require cooperation and it does not require an experienced uke, or even an Aikido uke at all. It is one of the more realistic techniques that remain distinctly "Aikido". You can use it on anything from hugs to tackles to semi-telegraphed punches (the kind most people in real world throw).

[yytsy]

See my comments above. Not to be so contradictory, but you're misplaced in your opinion. Using this against a wide grab probably ain't gonna happen, a tackle if it's high is not a good tackle: usually have those at the waist. Telegraphed TWO-HANDED punch?? Never seen that, but assuming you meant one hand, well, not the same technique either. Nice to SAY you can use it on all that, but my 22 years of training and decent street experience says negative. If they're a grappler (see above) never.

[shihonage]

A guy gave me a football tackle, and I used this technique while dropping on one knee. Are you aware that most Aikido techniques have kneewalk versions ?

For wide tackles, it won't work - thats why we got kaiten nage.

No single technique works against a single class of opponent, so the "grappler" generalization is stupid.

And yes you can cut down a telegraphed punch and raise their other elbow up, into this throw. Timing.

Some people study 22 years... others study 1 year, 22 times in a row.

[THEmuppett]

old man in a skirt

[TheManiacalSatanist]

The reason a real opponent would fall that easy is when an opponent pushes you in that  manner, the kinetic energy is front-ward bound. This technique moves so quickly that the opponent doesn't have time to change the direction of flow of the kinetic energy and thus he falls almost effortlessly.

Just pointing that out....

[11xr1east]

I hope you right. I guess in any martial art you have to first learn techniques and learn to be very effective with them and if a real fight situation come up, they will work

[11xr1east]

That's good but in a real street fight your opponent will not fall so easy

[mowmow5673]

in martial arts hes supposed to fall like that

[11xr1east]

Yes i agree, but im saying in a real street fight, your opponent will not fall so easy.

[bushwhacker2k]

If in said street fight your opponent puts his whole body into a 2 handed push then he'll fall pretty easily with this technique.

[Dovemagician]

it could be anything, not just a push. For example..... let's say you run into an old enemy....he charges you going straight for a two handed choke, you could also apply this.

[is02ub]

Try not to think about it because in a real situation you won't have the time, so just go with the flow and trust your mind.

[ilydanCZE]

It looks really great but I've got one question... does it matter which hand I decide to cut down? I mean, it should be the one on the side of the front leg...right?

[bushwhacker2k]

That makes sense, either would probably work, but pulling the leg that is farther would cause more imbalance.