if the dog tries to pull the leash just pull him back real hard and say NO DOG, THATS A BAD F***ING DOG! repeat this for atleast 2 walks doing it every time it tries to pull. i swear it will work and ull save some money
@captmicha i used to have a dog and i loved it with all my heart. i would never hurt it in my life. pulling a dog back real hard doesnt hurt him, just makes him understand that what hes doing is wrong thats all.
@killerbiller35 No it doesn't and that's the problem with aversive and punitive based training. It doesn't make them understand anything besides the fact that they're being punished. Try to understand. Bully teases you and you punch him and you get spanked. Does being spanked teach you what you should have done instead of punching the bully? No. Teaching an alternate, acceptable behavior does. See my reply to Ellco101.
I have no prob w anyone using pos methods but lets not mangle LEARNING theory. punishment does "teach" and animals do learn from it or else it would not be occupy quadrants.
Now you may feel that teaching alternative behaviors is more effective, thats fine.
@jimlupi Punishment does NOT teach alternate behaviors. It causes some behaviors to cease but does not teach alternate ones. The problem is that many people are too eager to punish their dogs when there are more positive methods that they can use instead. Yes, even ignoring is negative punishment and there's nothing wrong with it and it's a hell of a lot better than negative reinforcement and positive punishment.
One thing I think should have been mentioned in this video is the fact that these devices are tools, not crutches. They should be used to teach a dog to walk on a loose lead, with the goal of eventually transferring to a flat buckle collar. They are not crutches with which people should become dependent on to walk their dogs. Otherwise, good overview of available products.
No problem with the harness. But if the particular dog has an "acceptence period" for the head halter one needs to question whether the stress is worse on the dog than the more aversive methods.
maybe my wording was incorrect. If the dog feels the harness is so uncomfortable that it needs to be conditioned then maybe the dog thinks that it is in fact more stressfull or adversive for that particular dog. Also the fact that a head halter can cause spine injuries is not mentioned.
And how exactly does these products encourage off leash reliability? I don't know about anyone else, but the ultimate goal when I train my dog is to have the dog completely off any form of equipment (be it a collar, leash or whatever else I use) and still perform what I ask him to do.
well I can train a dog to do that easily, but it involves using the "bad ones" as this person in the videos says. And BTW my dogs are not dependent on the equipment being on all the time. I have both my dogs heeling completely free of a leash. I use a choke, but it is only used in the formal training period in their lives.
@Ellco101 Very easy. Pause the walk when the dog pulls. Resume the walk when the dog stops pulling. Dog learns that pulling gets it nowhere and not pulling obtains the reward of the continuation of the walk. If the dog is reactive and pulls for that reason, you counter condition, or you can use BAT or distraction methods.
@Koreagrrl They don't... Off-leash reliability is a whole different ball game. All Donaldson is doing in this video is demonstrating tools to help control a dog that pulls on the leash.
if the dog tries to pull the leash just pull him back real hard and say NO DOG, THATS A BAD F***ING DOG! repeat this for atleast 2 walks doing it every time it tries to pull. i swear it will work and ull save some money
killerbiller35 8 months ago
@killerbiller35 Please don't own any animals.
captmicha 1 month ago
@captmicha i used to have a dog and i loved it with all my heart. i would never hurt it in my life. pulling a dog back real hard doesnt hurt him, just makes him understand that what hes doing is wrong thats all.
killerbiller35 1 month ago
@killerbiller35 No it doesn't and that's the problem with aversive and punitive based training. It doesn't make them understand anything besides the fact that they're being punished. Try to understand. Bully teases you and you punch him and you get spanked. Does being spanked teach you what you should have done instead of punching the bully? No. Teaching an alternate, acceptable behavior does. See my reply to Ellco101.
captmicha 1 month ago
@captmicha
I have no prob w anyone using pos methods but lets not mangle LEARNING theory. punishment does "teach" and animals do learn from it or else it would not be occupy quadrants.
Now you may feel that teaching alternative behaviors is more effective, thats fine.
jimlupi 1 month ago
@jimlupi Punishment does NOT teach alternate behaviors. It causes some behaviors to cease but does not teach alternate ones. The problem is that many people are too eager to punish their dogs when there are more positive methods that they can use instead. Yes, even ignoring is negative punishment and there's nothing wrong with it and it's a hell of a lot better than negative reinforcement and positive punishment.
captmicha 1 month ago
the head halters look like a neck or disc injury waiting to happen, especially for the "lunging" dogs, as she calls them.
dfenzi 1 year ago
One thing I think should have been mentioned in this video is the fact that these devices are tools, not crutches. They should be used to teach a dog to walk on a loose lead, with the goal of eventually transferring to a flat buckle collar. They are not crutches with which people should become dependent on to walk their dogs. Otherwise, good overview of available products.
truthaboutforever7 1 year ago
@truthaboutforever7 Very good point.
captmicha 1 month ago
I love buffy :) she is so pretty. Is she a Chow Chow?
Ellco101 2 years ago
No problem with the harness. But if the particular dog has an "acceptence period" for the head halter one needs to question whether the stress is worse on the dog than the more aversive methods.
jimlupi 2 years ago
@jimlupi That makes no sense since the more aversive methods cause even more stress.
captmicha 1 month ago
@captmicha
maybe my wording was incorrect. If the dog feels the harness is so uncomfortable that it needs to be conditioned then maybe the dog thinks that it is in fact more stressfull or adversive for that particular dog. Also the fact that a head halter can cause spine injuries is not mentioned.
jimlupi 1 month ago
And how exactly does these products encourage off leash reliability? I don't know about anyone else, but the ultimate goal when I train my dog is to have the dog completely off any form of equipment (be it a collar, leash or whatever else I use) and still perform what I ask him to do.
Koreagrrl 3 years ago
I totally know what you mean. I want to know how to get my dog to stop pulling when just on a normal collar and leash.
Ellco101 3 years ago
well I can train a dog to do that easily, but it involves using the "bad ones" as this person in the videos says. And BTW my dogs are not dependent on the equipment being on all the time. I have both my dogs heeling completely free of a leash. I use a choke, but it is only used in the formal training period in their lives.
Koreagrrl 3 years ago
@Ellco101 Very easy. Pause the walk when the dog pulls. Resume the walk when the dog stops pulling. Dog learns that pulling gets it nowhere and not pulling obtains the reward of the continuation of the walk. If the dog is reactive and pulls for that reason, you counter condition, or you can use BAT or distraction methods.
captmicha 1 month ago
@Koreagrrl They don't... Off-leash reliability is a whole different ball game. All Donaldson is doing in this video is demonstrating tools to help control a dog that pulls on the leash.
truthaboutforever7 1 year ago