Christians, Atheists, Muslims, Pagans, New agers, Catholics, Evolutionists and all the rest

[moopism]

You seem to have openmindedness confused with a level of naivete that allows anyone to be lied to and taken advantage of by patent bullshit.

The fact that your comments go on to say that you consider evolution a religion and end it with "god bless" shows you are operating on an agenda that precludes honest open minded discussion. Shame on you.

[RaggedM88]

liked the skeleton of the fish in the garbage pile in the end... was that intended to be an allusion to a certain religion?

[Oicurmtoyoy]

It's kind of funny how he put atheists and evolutionists in the title, as if they're faith based.

[inertialcapacity]

Science is the search to reinforce the current way of perception/understanding, whereas the search for the truth is the search for a better way of perceiving the world. God: 'Things fall because they reject the love-light from above'.

[MarcusDarling4026]

As an ever researching & fact- checking Judeo- Christian, I found this piece to be awesome! From MY POV, there are so many new findings MARRYING spirituality & science that there leaves little room NOT to understand unless u just CHOOSE to be obtuse. A lot of my friends have since bcome believers but there are those who STILL say I'm in"blind faith" when THEY don't / won't research ANYTHING- ..not the scripts not science, just their own media- trusting solipsism.

This explains JUST how I feel!

[JezusSlave]

HELL IS REAL AND FOREVER !!!

spiritlessons. com/mary_k_baxter_a_divine_rev­­elation_of_hell. htm

[MarcusDarling4026]

@JezusSlave

True but it was never designed for mankind but for the offending angels who's been lying to us since Adam & molesting us since the Fallen Sons of G-d took human wives for themselves (Genesis & Lost Book of Enoch).

The only reason mankind could end up there is if they allow Satanic forces to distract them from G-d's distant but present voice calling them OUT if the wild DURING life. Satan wants man in hell bc MISERY LOVES COMPANY. But we must let ppl know that G-d NEVER blames US.

[MaestroInfernus]

How ever ironicaly enough my Faith was founded by the statement I dont believe in God to my mother. She the said to me son if three thing sare certain logic says I you will have hardship and joy in life II. you will have to make the best of what u habve and Seaze opportunity III God certainly exists for life is proof of it.

[AgnosticFonts00]

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[MaestroInfernus]

Rename the title to Muslims Pagans, scientology, Catholics, Jews, Orthodox Christians, and Protestants since atheism is not a religion nor is new agers or Budhism becuas they are ways of life without catering to a Devine presence

[waynne12345]

@MaestroInfernus Yip, thats if you don't know what atheism, budhism and new age is. Try learning about the origins of these 'ways of life', you'll soon find that they bow to a "god".

[MaestroInfernus]

@waynne1234 atheism has no God. It means without God, or believe in one self. Budhism does not adhere to a specific deity and its simple methods on going through life peacefully, but without God. New age just needs to be destroyed anything called new age should because this "new Age " sucks balls.

[waynne12345]

@MaestroInfernus Again, look at origens. Try tracking by using symbols. It's similar to catholisism. On the outside they appear to serve God, but in reality don't. Same but also different to atheism, buddhism and new age. I guess it depends on where you get your truth from.

My arguement- atheism is an eye-blind convincing people that there is no God and thus they serve no God. But what if a 'god' came up with the idea? You are doing the will of this 'god' without knowing it.

[MaestroInfernus]

@waynne12345 sir God instilled the natural knowledge in man of his Ever presence, and with that also made the struggle of questioning, man kind has sucked from this foundation of struggle and expanded into reverting into believeing in nothing or a zero atherial foundation as even m,ore of a struggle for themselves. thus why man is fallible and God is not. So therefore i say all beliefs were put into existance for a reason the challenge is then to detect which is right by eveidence. scientific/

[MaestroInfernus]

and spiritual phenomenon that has been recorded unexplained by scientists and infallibly undenable to have occured. Catholicism is the only religion in existance to have both the scientific and spirtual. both complete each other both are held by an unbreakable historical documentation. this creates an all powerful trinity so to speak of this Faiths truth. rendering it to be the only truth.

[waynne12345]

@MaestroInfernus Surely God is 'scientific' if He made all. Agreed, you can't separate science from faith. However, I don't agree with the statement about the Catholics. Surely all Bible believing Christians 'believe' in science. Yet science is founded on the principle that it may be wrong (not true of all science) and is replaced when a different superior model is provided. Yet, can the Creator of science (scientific laws) not be above them? God is the foundation of knowledge. It depends on Him

[MaestroInfernus]

@waynne12345 Catholicism was the first Christion branch as a whole to except evolution as hard fact. Though Darwin himself unfortunatley was not a roman Catholic. aside from Catholics Orthodox Christians also have a Philisphical and scientific aproach as well as deeply spiritual adhering to the tenants of the origanal Church just as Catholics do when they were origanaly as one. And this also depends on what Bible you are talking about. The King james is not in any way valid Nor the new versions.

[waynne12345]

@MaestroInfernus Catholics would accept evolution, it's a pagan religion cloaked as Christianity. Also, there is no evidence that evolution is fact. It remains theory, even evolution teaches this, thus 'evolution theory'. It's based on assumptions as foundation. These foundations cannot be scientifically proven because they can't be observed. Agreed, some Bibles are screwed up, however disagree regarding king James, find it to be historically accurate and flawless. Why do you doubt king james?

[MaestroInfernus]

@waynne12345 Completely wrong about Catholicism. It is not at all pagan despite whatever evil protestants say. and evolution is scientific FACT now that we have the means of proving it. Before this we had a very descriptive analylisation of nature through darwin without the means to delve into the superior mysteries of life that we do today. The king James btw is proven to be completely false and mistranslated ask any jew and christian historian or linguist. Biggest example: Thou shall not kill

[MaestroInfernus]

That is completely wrong! the proper translation is thou shalt not commit the sin of murder. there is a vastly huge difference between the words kill and murder. Killing is abroad topic. Murder is specific. God choose specifix in his commandments that way his followers would understand directly without confusion. The list is endless. screwing up the ten commandments is damnable enough. never mind the rest of the Holy scriptures.

[waynne12345]

@MaestroInfernus Hey there. I'm digging this conversation a lot. I'm gonna post my response as a channel comment to your profile. It's just faster that way. Thanx for being respectful thusfar.

[MasterAdam100]

Does Soup know about this? Your using an Atheists video to prove your Theism? Cute.

[OdinProtectMe]

extremely interesting video my friend! I see that if you have empirical evidence/personal experience of an event (providing you have taken into account all possible factors) it would be valid to base beliefs upon that experience. For example if i was to walk in the forest and feel "energy" from the trees, i accept it could be wind, heat etc but decide (from previous experience and evidence) that it is "energy" would you say that it is valid? based on experience or flawed? curious

[Quertimus]

Looking at your description I just need to sigh... The theory of evolution is not a religion.

Is the germ theory a religion?

Is the theory of gravity a religion?

No...

Neither is the theory of evolution.

PS: "Evolutionism" and "Evolutionist" are not words.

As your question of: "Have you proved them all to be wrong?"

The answer is: There is no need to, it is you who needs to prove it right.

[waynne12345]

You should study evolution more closely. It's a religion.

Use to be a full blown atheist, tried to prove evolution to a friend. The more I studied it, the less I was convinced. Try reading Origen of species. That ought to do it. If not, just keep going, you'll find the truth.

PS, thanx for the grammar tips;-)

[Quertimus]

How can something that describes the variations of lifeforms be a religion?

Evolution happens, it's a fact: We see a species change over time, adapting more to their enviroment.

The theory of evolution describes HOW it happens.

There is nothing religious about it.

Why if it is religious does the catholic church accept the theory of evolution? Are they following two religions? Although the Christian god explicitly says that such an act is forbidden?

[Quertimus]

The theory of evolution does not have a world view, says nothing of how to live your life.

Please explain your definition of "religion", because your definition seems to accept every scientific theory as a religion. Are we all Einsteiniïsts, Newtoniïsts, Germinists, Hawkinists etc?

[waynne12345]

Def for religion; depends on a measure of faith to believe or belief in something that cannot be scientifically proven. (Based on our discussion only)

[waynne12345]

Agreed on micro evolution - we can observe and test. I'm refering to the rest of evolution theory...religion.

You might wanna look into Roman Catholics, they accept anything that in non-biblical. They do lots of things that God forbids.

[waynne12345]

C'mon. Are you REALLY being objective about your study of evolution?

Not to offend, but I don't believe you have spent much time studying evolution theory. Seems that you are somewhat familiar with Darwinism, but not much else. Apologies if this statement is in error.

I urge you to dig deeper in evolution theory, you'll find that it is all based on unproved assumptions. Assumptions that require faith rather than evidence.

Thus, I found it to be more of a religion than Hinduism.

[Quertimus]

Name some of these unproved assumptions, you keep saying things like this, but never give an example why it is a religion.

[waynne12345]

Off the top of my head: The big bang. The ort cloud. Parallel universes. The singularity. Chemical fusion past Iron. The geologic column. Radiometric dating. Macro evolution as a whole. Living organism from non living material.

There's more. Was hoping you'd start to check it out by now. Let me know if you'd like the names of some documentaries or seminars.

[Quertimus]

First off all, the theory of evolution is BIOLOGY, so everything about the big bang, ort cloud, parallel universes, chemical fusion, geologic column are NOT biology. So have NOTHING to do with the theory of evolution, this is only your first mistake.

The second is mistaking the theory of Abiogenesis for the theory of Evolution, abiogenesis explains the ORIGIN of life, evolution the DIVERSITY.

[Quertimus]

Thirdly, macro evolution, in short is speciation, the new species can no longer breed with their 'old' species.

Macro evolution is just many micro evolutions.

I don't know if you know this phenomina but it's called Ring species. This is when all the intermediate 'steps' are still alive, but the last line of this one species can no longer inter-breed with the 'first' of the line. Since all the intermediate steps still exists, it's still one species. But not if those steps inbetween are removed.

[Quertimus]

Look up this example: Ring Species: Salamanders

It's known with more species than just salamanders though

And about radiometric dating, it's accurate, the only reasons they showed strange measurements is with contaminated samples.

As said before, you say a lot of things that have nothing to do with the theory of evolution, it shows that either your research was not done properly, or that your sources are incredibly biased and deceitful.

[waynne12345]

Look, many use evolution to explain the origin of everything. This is the reason for the title of the vid, hence, our discussion.

Agreed; not everything I noted in the previous comment is biological evolution. But when trying to answer 'what is the origin of everything?', starting with the evolution theory, one is lead to a study of the other sciences.

I do not refute that animals change within their species, but animals changing from reptiles to birds is absurd and unproved.

[Quertimus]

What about archeoptryx? It has both features of reptiles and birds, a transitional species. It's not a 'full bird' since it has teeth, which true birds don't have.

I truly advice you to look at videos made by DonExodus2. Start there with researching theory of evolution the right way.

[Di66en6ion]

Fusion past Iron? That's a new one. I thought heavier elements were made through supernovae and/or other slower neutron capture techniques(Which we know for a fact can be done in a lab).

I'd like to see some evidence-based reasoning as to how macro evolution doesn't = micro evolution other than just saying "I've never seen it with my own eyes".

[EquusFerrarius]

@waynne12345 Most of these things have nothing to do with evolution but are related to other scientific theories.

[AgnosticFonts00]

Well it seems you have no understanding of the Theory of evolution. Evolution is both a fact and a theory. Oh yeah buddy thats right. It's a fact that we can observe it in our world and a theory as in it's our best explanation. Theories in science are not conjecture or hypothesis. They are explanations. Ever hear of Music theory? Theory of Gravity? So can you explain the diversity of species on Earth without the bible? Ask yourself are you being objective? If your faith blocking your logic?

[waynne12345]

As an atheist, I studied evolution to be able to convince theist friends that they were crazy. I found that it takes just as much faith to believe evolution (as a science of origins) as any other theory of origins.

We can circle round and round trying to prove each other wrong, but I found that this never bears fruit. Using science only, neither theory will ever unquestionably disprove each other or prove itself.

[waynne12345]

My conclusion: I have a choice between 2 theories of origins, both with a certain amount of scientific evidence; so, I'm either a son of a monkey, or a son of God.

I chose the latter and invited Jesus into my life. Cant begin to tell you how my life has been changed. And now, after further study:

The fool hath said in his heart theres no God.

[AgnosticFonts00]

"The fool hath said in his heart theres no God." This is a silly platitude that is meant to mock free thinking people back in biblical times. You wanna believe in Jesus thats cool but don't deny facts like natural selection because you look silly. And you know nothing about evolution my freind because you think evolution says we come from monkies. Evolution explains the diversity of species and thats it. Also is it so hard to understand self-replicating molecules like rna? cont>

[waynne12345]

Not up for another 'what is evolution discussion'. So cool, we're not from monkeys...space dust then...or a rock...or slyme... or some other brainless organism, whatever. Me, the hand of God.

Yes!!! It is based on some science, but definitely not an adequate science of origins.

[EquusFerrarius]

@waynne12345 I have often found that God fails as an explanation to the origin of life. Either God is not alive, so life did come from non-life, or God is a living thing, in which case to explain the origin of life you have to explain the origin of God. God doesn't answer questions in my opinion but simply changes the subject of the question. But like I say, that is only my opinion.

[MaestroInfernus]

pathetic go on live in denial because your fucking weak and cant except fact. ife is proff of God and have you ever heard of muhhammed appearing or buddist making maraculous healings? hmmm. Well how about the pagans and multiple gods with animal heads and multiple etremities. if you want to be logical then you would agree that God exists, .

[AgnosticFonts00]

First, there is 0 scientific evidence for the belief in Jesus being divine and genesis. Muslims claim the samething you claim. They have a book and it has the "word of God" in it and it says it's "the only way". Sorry but evolution is a fact and nowhere in evolution does it say we come from monkies. You can accept evolution and believe in God at the same time. You guys need to realise genesis is a myth written by anceint man to explain what could never be explained. Best wishes.

[waynne12345]

Study religious literature, big difference between Bible and all others - check out prophecy.

Yip, some of evolution is a fact, some false information, some ideology. I hold true to variation within species, not much else though - some evidence would change my mind, can't find it though. So, variation is included in my framework.

[waynne12345]

Genisis? Prophecy convinced me that the Bible is the word of God. So believe the rest on principle. Also think the great flood becomes obvious with study, which relates to the Arc.

Scientific evedence for Jesus? Don't need it cause He is present in my life and has done more for me than I could have ever done for myself.

I guess some of us live on a combination of science and faith, others will believe the earth is flat until it's proven wrong. Look for God, you'll find Him.

[MaestroInfernus]

@AgnosticFonts00 you idiot dont you understand that when God created man he gave them the basics so they may comprehend the begining, Obviously there was a starting two. Adam(man) Eve (woman). fact also staes the area of which the Bible directs Mankind to have bveen craeted was infact theactual starting plae of the primortial soup that made us.

[AgnosticFonts00]

@MaestroInfernus Idiot? Whos the one who believes in an arbitrary God? You read something in an oild book and think its true. God did not write a book. God is a concept not a fact. Wake up!

[MaestroInfernus]

not to mention mathamatical codes within the origanal texts that spell out truths. Backward ass. you believe in nothing yea thats advanced thinking,an example:" this world was formed i dont know how..but it was just put her cause its impossible for something higher than ourselves to create".WOW what a mentality to have=fucking mental, get over yourself you gnostic prick and except truth, learn history and philosophy before you even dare battle me.

[AgnosticFonts00]

@MaestroInfernus. Just go worship your imaginary God. Troll.

And what do you believe in? A god based on a book with a million and one fallacies in it? Codes that spell out things like the 2009 elelection predicted mcain the win but he did not. So much for your codes. And the codes you speak can be used in the book "MOby Dick"

[MaestroInfernus]

Anything that is done is because the foundation and potential was laid in the begining with th very first man and woman tools were set. if we were not ment to be we would have diesd out. we have a destiny since we are made in the image of God by that! it means we are all shapes and sizes there is not one exactly identical we are natural creator like our creator before us. Fact nothing inm this existance can exist without a creator. Live with it, now do some research

[AgnosticFonts00]

@MaestroInfernus @MaestroInfernus Idiot? Whos the one who believes in an arbitrary God? You read something in an oild book and think its true. God did not write a book. God is a concept not a fact. Wake up!

[MaestroInfernus]

@AgnosticFonts00 An arbitrary God are you fucing serious, the only Truth is God and the only way you can narrow hich God is truth is by logical deduction nimrod. The only reason why God is believable in the Bible is becuase Thres sufficiant historical spirtual evidence to back it,

[AgnosticFonts00]

@MaestroInfernus The only truth is you do not know the truth and I do not either. So, diphit go troll elsewhere.

[MaestroInfernus]

since God is all powerful it does not need other gods pointless, if God is so great it cannopt be bound by a singluar figure hence God has no true form other than what it makes itself to be. And since God is so vast God exists in all things since it all came from Him in the first place. Cathlicism with all its attacks has styood the test of time and will not fall, The gates of hell shall not pravail against it. becuase it is the only truth,

[MaestroInfernus]

@AgnosticFonts00 Pathetic response from someone who knows nothing, Its like trying to convience a person who has been stripped of their senses what a stop sign is. its sad that Hellen Keller is more advanced than you.

[AgnosticFonts00]

@MaestroInfernus Like I said. You are a Troll who thinks he's the center of the universe. Gods special creature right? I wipe my ass with your silly arbitrary beleifs. An asshole like you would cling to whatever religion he grew up in because you are programmed like a robot from birth to believe certain things. Hey do you still believe in Santa?

[MaestroInfernus]

@AgnosticFonts00 Wow you dumb fuck i was Raised to b be open to any thing and to do research after being gnostic for 10 years and decideing to be jewish for about two years i decided to investigate Christianity,

[MaestroInfernus]

no matter how many of those pedophiles infiltrate the cathedrals no matter how many so called messiahs rise like David karesh no matter how many ignorant atheists and nay saying gnostics may appear they all have no one bit of evidence scientificaly to prove a God doesnt exist because Gods work is SCIENCE as we know it.

[MaestroInfernus]

@AgnosticFonts00 Once agin youve managed to be completely in the wrong , you have no knowledge of my life or how i was taught, and i never believed ion Santa Only the person called Saint Nicholus who was the Bishop in Denmark in the 1300s you brainless twat. Honestly dOES SENSE NOT EVEN PASS YOUR BRAIN?

[AgnosticFonts00]

@MaestroInfernus BYE BYE TROLL.

[MaestroInfernus]

@AgnosticFonts00 coward fucking fight me you dumb bastard.

[AgnosticFonts00]

@MaestroInfernus Like I said. You are a troll with zero class.

[MaestroInfernus]

@AgnosticFonts00 Troll? if i was a troll i would have beaten your billy goat ass into the dust. if you want to talk about class its funny you should consider yourself lucky that i stooped to conversing with a ansect beneath my superio boot.

[AtomicBomb79]

@AgnosticFonts00 ik right catholics believe in evolution

[MaestroInfernus]

@AgnosticFonts00 Hey cock munch im not talking about those fucking new age books of The Botched bible series, no im Talking about The authentic Greek/ aramiac/hebrew codes you damn ignorant bbastard. wow such intolerable fucks really backwards. Saying theres no God is like saying air doesnt exist because you cant see it, honestly if life has no purpose end yourself now you'll end up in your own ablivion of being wrong all the quicker.

[Quertimus]

Addendum: Evolutionism and Evolutionist are commonly used by creationist to make them sound like a religion. Some people who accept the theory now also use those words, but in fact, they are made up...

[waynne12345]

Thanx again, got it the first time round;-)

[Di66en6ion]

Anecdotes are lame.

Try reading the bible. That ought to do it. If not, just keep going, you'll find the truth.

See, anyone can do it.

[anothersquid]

The onus is not on atheists to "prove them all wrong"... the onus is on any of the god-squads to prove any of them correct. Believers are making the weird claim, not atheists.

[Cafeeine]

Its good to repost this, but add a link to the original by qualiasoup.

[waynne12345]

Thanx, did it;-)