what is the point for you, visite Chile, do you want to life there, i think if you want to life in a country as Chile, you must learn Spanish language, other ways you wiil on troubles due to the language.
most people that supported pinochet, were the ones that got lots of money, saying, pinochet gave em money, since they were kinda of his alleies, ahm, since he stole money from the country, and so and so... he made lots of people that supported him very rich, and until today some peeople still think he is a hero.
PD: if u think Chile has a sad story on this term, u should check out same on other latinamerican countries where it is much worst. Sad story of a backyard that was never helped. What really annoys me is that democrat countries like ours have no reward for being this way. Its prolly an easier solution to have a dictatorship cause anyway, gives quicker solutions, fast growth if its well made, etc. Whats the reward for being democrat? if northern countries don't even care.
There are egregious class disparities throughout the Americas, including the US. It's true that the US asserted a colonial relationship with Latin America, and that this did not foster economic control or independence for the everyday Chileno. In a democracy, the collective will of the majority is able to influence economic policy through the vote, likely having a redistributive effect on value that benefits the working and middle classes more than the elites.
True, but back up for Pinochet dictatorship was almost 50% even years after it ended. Hitler's dictatorship was mainly aproveed by germans. Some dictatorships con have a lot of support by their own citizens. Not sayin' that i want a dictatorship and less rights, but... does democracy really applies in a good way for our latinamerican countries? I'm not so sure bout that. If US and northern countries keep on selling us F-16 and leopard II tanks, we are doomed to have chavez expirences. Greetings.
I'm curious about the support for Pinochet, too. I would like to see Guzman's "El Caso Pinochet." Right now, I attribute the support to professional, institutionalized propaganda, as Alex Carey calls it, El Mercurio and the CEA. Maybe consent was manufactured through the orchestrated food shortage during Allende, alleviated with the US resuming trade under Pinochet. I think that democracies are better for everyone, because they cannot be made so easily into a puppet. Which Chavez experience?
Uhm, not really even nowadays, lots of years after Pinochet's dictatorship, there's a big percent of ppl that support them, even young ppl that wasn't even borned. I'm 19, and there's lots of ppl that support him of my age and even younger. Mainly cause Allendes democrat-communist expirience sucked for every1, rich and poor. Propaganda wasn't extreme, before pinochet took the goberment, ppl on the streets threw rice to army officers on the street like saying that they were afraid of doing it.
And Chavez, maybe u don't know, but he's the president of Venezuela and has destroyed the democracy on that country. I said that, cause we are doomed to have dictatorships and "left"-communist goberments if we don't start getting some real benefits from northern countries for having a true democracy. Chile has a historical democracy, except for Pinochet, Chile has always been. What have u get for being this way? beisdes some F-16 and leopard II tanks? There's no real investment from USA on us.
If u actually search for our Constitution on Articule 19, with the actions to demand those on 20 and 21 on english so u will understand this lack of real rights.
Art. 19 does read like it relies on the legislature to preserve due process rights, and privacy rights, in terms of warrants for searches. That the freedom of religion, of good conscience, is subject to morals, good customs, and public order, makes me wonder if the right could be de facto obliterated depending on the interpretation of those three limitations. Personal freedom, like freedom from arbitrary detention, can be legislated away, too. I see how Pinochet could manage; just make a law.
Yap, due process hasn't got an action to demand it to the state. What u r sayin is correct, but will never be a subject to our new goberments cause they haven't changed anything of the system since pinochet left, they seam to be pretty fine with the system that was inherited. Economic > Rights > Economic rights (ones that involve a investment of money to preserve them). Those r the ones that haven't got protection.
Hello, im a student of laws in Santiago, Chile. U need to understand a few things bout latinamerica before u get into that whole theory. PPl here are so poor that don't even understand their rights, ppl are worried about having something to eat tomorrow. That's the truth. Maybe Chile has improved quite a bit, but not enough. There's no culture of demanding rights against the state. It's not like americans that know their rights by just being a citizen.
Also its important that u understand that econmic system has worked by itself. Our state doesn't give many guarantees to ppl, that lack of guarantees has been the key to success on free market economy. Our rights are so limited that we don't even have an action to demand a quality public school system. State for this kinda things has to invest few bugs, so at the end that money goes for more investment on privates and so goes on..
Just to end, im pretty sure that lawyers know whats the resolution theyre gonna from judges just by proposing the demand. U just need to search for some jurisprudence and u will know, its pretty uniform and almost never fails on that. Equality on a system that has almost no guarantees is pretty easy way to resolve cases. BB, greetings from Santiago, Chile. It's nice to know that some americans are intrested on our backyard.
By working by itself, do you mean that the economy is largely unregulated? What impact do you think the free market model and the investment in private education has had on the everyday Chileno? I was reading about Proyecto Angostura, the hydroelectric reservoir in Rio Bio-bio, slated to be built where Pewenche families are living. What of IIRSA's plan to extract, transport, and export resources through homogenous regional economic policy? They call it sustainable development; is it?
sustainable is called, cause Chile has experienced a lack of energy resources, in electricity and gas. We have a treaty with argentinians to bring gas, but they just won't send when its winter, lol. Energy, they call to hydroelectric plants, cause they won't make any pollution. This problem with the indians is a big one, almost all the places on the VII region that can be used for this r indians property. It's hard to consider wich right is more important, wether the property of public interest.
In the US, we have immense amounts of oil, enough to provide for a 3rd of our consumption; the rest we import. The model of generating wealth by fostering consumption that is tantamount to waste will fail. In California, we've had blackouts, as well--more due to monopolistic mismanagement than a lack of power plants. Growing an economy on the US model of extraction should not be done at the expense of people. Not only does it cause unwarranted suffering, it risks the loss of information.
Isn't that what students are doing, demanding rights from the state? Isn't that what Michael Woodward's sister, and families of those tortured on La Esmeralda, are doing by seeking criminal prosecution of Carabinero and Naval officers? Isn't that what human rights coalitions of the families of those tortured are doing by demonstrating in front of the courthouse? In the US, the impoverished are strangely obese and starving, through their ration of MacDonalds. Politically, many are active.
Students is a hard subject, personally i think that it doesn't matter how much money u put on public schools, if kids don't wanna go to classes, nothing will change. Its just the fun of destroying and having a story to tell on friday nights. Thats my opinion.
But in terms of the ppl that was abused on 73 and fowards, there's no other country that has helped more theyre ppl than Chile. This is the exception to general rule, in this subject Chile has spend a lot of money to pay back to them.
what is the point for you, visite Chile, do you want to life there, i think if you want to life in a country as Chile, you must learn Spanish language, other ways you wiil on troubles due to the language.
southamerican888 2 years ago
most people that supported pinochet, were the ones that got lots of money, saying, pinochet gave em money, since they were kinda of his alleies, ahm, since he stole money from the country, and so and so... he made lots of people that supported him very rich, and until today some peeople still think he is a hero.
matimaster 3 years ago
PD: if u think Chile has a sad story on this term, u should check out same on other latinamerican countries where it is much worst. Sad story of a backyard that was never helped. What really annoys me is that democrat countries like ours have no reward for being this way. Its prolly an easier solution to have a dictatorship cause anyway, gives quicker solutions, fast growth if its well made, etc. Whats the reward for being democrat? if northern countries don't even care.
DANORES 3 years ago
There are egregious class disparities throughout the Americas, including the US. It's true that the US asserted a colonial relationship with Latin America, and that this did not foster economic control or independence for the everyday Chileno. In a democracy, the collective will of the majority is able to influence economic policy through the vote, likely having a redistributive effect on value that benefits the working and middle classes more than the elites.
MsRachelness 3 years ago
True, but back up for Pinochet dictatorship was almost 50% even years after it ended. Hitler's dictatorship was mainly aproveed by germans. Some dictatorships con have a lot of support by their own citizens. Not sayin' that i want a dictatorship and less rights, but... does democracy really applies in a good way for our latinamerican countries? I'm not so sure bout that. If US and northern countries keep on selling us F-16 and leopard II tanks, we are doomed to have chavez expirences. Greetings.
DANORES 3 years ago
I'm curious about the support for Pinochet, too. I would like to see Guzman's "El Caso Pinochet." Right now, I attribute the support to professional, institutionalized propaganda, as Alex Carey calls it, El Mercurio and the CEA. Maybe consent was manufactured through the orchestrated food shortage during Allende, alleviated with the US resuming trade under Pinochet. I think that democracies are better for everyone, because they cannot be made so easily into a puppet. Which Chavez experience?
MsRachelness 3 years ago
Uhm, not really even nowadays, lots of years after Pinochet's dictatorship, there's a big percent of ppl that support them, even young ppl that wasn't even borned. I'm 19, and there's lots of ppl that support him of my age and even younger. Mainly cause Allendes democrat-communist expirience sucked for every1, rich and poor. Propaganda wasn't extreme, before pinochet took the goberment, ppl on the streets threw rice to army officers on the street like saying that they were afraid of doing it.
DANORES 3 years ago
And Chavez, maybe u don't know, but he's the president of Venezuela and has destroyed the democracy on that country. I said that, cause we are doomed to have dictatorships and "left"-communist goberments if we don't start getting some real benefits from northern countries for having a true democracy. Chile has a historical democracy, except for Pinochet, Chile has always been. What have u get for being this way? beisdes some F-16 and leopard II tanks? There's no real investment from USA on us.
DANORES 3 years ago
If u actually search for our Constitution on Articule 19, with the actions to demand those on 20 and 21 on english so u will understand this lack of real rights.
DANORES 3 years ago
Art. 19 does read like it relies on the legislature to preserve due process rights, and privacy rights, in terms of warrants for searches. That the freedom of religion, of good conscience, is subject to morals, good customs, and public order, makes me wonder if the right could be de facto obliterated depending on the interpretation of those three limitations. Personal freedom, like freedom from arbitrary detention, can be legislated away, too. I see how Pinochet could manage; just make a law.
MsRachelness 3 years ago
Yap, due process hasn't got an action to demand it to the state. What u r sayin is correct, but will never be a subject to our new goberments cause they haven't changed anything of the system since pinochet left, they seam to be pretty fine with the system that was inherited. Economic > Rights > Economic rights (ones that involve a investment of money to preserve them). Those r the ones that haven't got protection.
DANORES 3 years ago
Hello, im a student of laws in Santiago, Chile. U need to understand a few things bout latinamerica before u get into that whole theory. PPl here are so poor that don't even understand their rights, ppl are worried about having something to eat tomorrow. That's the truth. Maybe Chile has improved quite a bit, but not enough. There's no culture of demanding rights against the state. It's not like americans that know their rights by just being a citizen.
DANORES 3 years ago
Also its important that u understand that econmic system has worked by itself. Our state doesn't give many guarantees to ppl, that lack of guarantees has been the key to success on free market economy. Our rights are so limited that we don't even have an action to demand a quality public school system. State for this kinda things has to invest few bugs, so at the end that money goes for more investment on privates and so goes on..
DANORES 3 years ago
Just to end, im pretty sure that lawyers know whats the resolution theyre gonna from judges just by proposing the demand. U just need to search for some jurisprudence and u will know, its pretty uniform and almost never fails on that. Equality on a system that has almost no guarantees is pretty easy way to resolve cases. BB, greetings from Santiago, Chile. It's nice to know that some americans are intrested on our backyard.
DANORES 3 years ago
By working by itself, do you mean that the economy is largely unregulated? What impact do you think the free market model and the investment in private education has had on the everyday Chileno? I was reading about Proyecto Angostura, the hydroelectric reservoir in Rio Bio-bio, slated to be built where Pewenche families are living. What of IIRSA's plan to extract, transport, and export resources through homogenous regional economic policy? They call it sustainable development; is it?
MsRachelness 3 years ago
sustainable is called, cause Chile has experienced a lack of energy resources, in electricity and gas. We have a treaty with argentinians to bring gas, but they just won't send when its winter, lol. Energy, they call to hydroelectric plants, cause they won't make any pollution. This problem with the indians is a big one, almost all the places on the VII region that can be used for this r indians property. It's hard to consider wich right is more important, wether the property of public interest.
DANORES 3 years ago
In the US, we have immense amounts of oil, enough to provide for a 3rd of our consumption; the rest we import. The model of generating wealth by fostering consumption that is tantamount to waste will fail. In California, we've had blackouts, as well--more due to monopolistic mismanagement than a lack of power plants. Growing an economy on the US model of extraction should not be done at the expense of people. Not only does it cause unwarranted suffering, it risks the loss of information.
MsRachelness 3 years ago
Isn't that what students are doing, demanding rights from the state? Isn't that what Michael Woodward's sister, and families of those tortured on La Esmeralda, are doing by seeking criminal prosecution of Carabinero and Naval officers? Isn't that what human rights coalitions of the families of those tortured are doing by demonstrating in front of the courthouse? In the US, the impoverished are strangely obese and starving, through their ration of MacDonalds. Politically, many are active.
MsRachelness 3 years ago
Students is a hard subject, personally i think that it doesn't matter how much money u put on public schools, if kids don't wanna go to classes, nothing will change. Its just the fun of destroying and having a story to tell on friday nights. Thats my opinion.
But in terms of the ppl that was abused on 73 and fowards, there's no other country that has helped more theyre ppl than Chile. This is the exception to general rule, in this subject Chile has spend a lot of money to pay back to them.
DANORES 3 years ago
hi raquel...you are very smart....your lips are purple,,,must be the wine...
good luck in chile..
cuidate mucho..
regards.
rodrigo..
bye bss
ditzel77 3 years ago