I took a man I didn't like and nailed him to a giant cross yesterday. It was bloody as all hell, the guy literally screamed for hours. He was only let down when his hands fell off. I was then taken into custody and charged with murder. I gave the excuse that "this has been a practice since the time of Jesus himself!". They had no option but to release me.
It's sad that Hitchens was so hateful about life; it skewered his system of belief about most things, making him delusional in his views. Pretty basic mental instabilities. Of course, he's dead now, so who cares?
@cliffandy a lot of people care, you just need to open your eyes and see the rate at which people are waking up to all this bullshit, finally....he will be missed. We need more people like him in the world if we are to advance as a species....the religious brainwashing needs to stop.
@cliffandy i don't think hitchens was hateful towards life, but instead to the people who seek to control it with threats of hell or even murder, and that is all religion ever was.
@fuckinghellyoutwat we don't need religion to have threats of hell and murder. All we're left with on Hitchens is his words; he wrote much and, as is apparent on yt, got a lot of face time with his contrived opposition. He never got to the point but used whatever he disapproved of to promote a hatred for it. And I don't need to have a smoke screen to rally for that; he left plenty of 'documented' evidence to show it as such: hatred. Please don't take it personally.
What a shame we no longer have Christopher as a voice against the Christian bulldozer who tries to take over every institution and force their views on the rest of us.
The problem with most Americans is that they haven't had to deal with these issues because America 100 years ago wasn't as diverse as it is now. The Constitution is clear in not having the federal Govt not being involved in promoting a religious action. So now since we have so many religions, the majority Christians don't like the fact their traditions are being challenged.
FOR IT IS WRITTEN I WILL BAFFLE AND RENDER USELESS AND DESTROY THE LEARNING OF THE LEARNED AND THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE PHILOSOPHERS AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER AND THE DISCERNMENT OF THE DISCERNING I WILL FRUSTRATE AND NULLIFY THEM AND BRING THEM TO NOTHING. WHERE IS THE WISE MAN THE PHILOSOPHER WHERE IS THE SCRIBE THE SCHOLAR WHERE IS THE INVESTIGATOR THE LOGICIAN THE DEBATER OF THIS PRESENT TIME AND AGE? HAS NOT GOD SHOWN UP THE NONSENSE AND THE FOLLY OF THIS WORLDS WISDOM ?
@Winterwolf00 JOHN 11;7 CAN YOU DISCOVER THE DEPTHS OF GOD ? CAN YOU DISCOVER THE LIMITS OF THE ALMIGHTY ?. ISAIAH 40;18 TO WHOM THEN WILL YOU LIKEN GOD ? OR WHAT LIKENESS WILL YOU COMPARE WITH HIM ?
@Winterwolf00 THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION GIVES ME THE RIGHT UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH TO SAY WHAT EVER I WANT SO WHAT'S YOUR POINT ? DONT VIOLATE MY CIVIL RIGHT UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES I HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK AND SAY WHAT I WANT GET THE PICTURE
@maxismax100 you have the right to say what ever you like, but so do we, like for example that the bible is a disgusting book full of bigotry and absurdity, it was written by nomadic tribesman who couldn't have possibly known how inaccurate it was and how that inaccuracy would lead many people to rightly conclude that it isn't the work of the devine or even anyone with knowledge of such, the only people who haven't concluded such are either willfully ignorant or woefully impared.
Hitchens did not quote the next part, "neither prohibiting the free exercise thereof" was also ratified by the founders and prayer has always been a part of the national psyche of America. The issue is is that after the historic Civil Rights movement many values started to be uprooted from the American psyche. The idea that America is a Christian nation for example. Even Dr King talked about the "wells of democracy from our Judeo/Christian past." But Americans want Sodom rather than Jerusalem!
@annabellemee No, he's trying to do the internet equivalent of yelling because he knows his ideas are so stupid that only through yelling would anyone even pay attention.
It is funny how when a judge does what the fundies want, they are godly judges and "God answered our prayers" But when they give ruling they dislike they are activists judges. Any judge that rules against them is an activist judge.
You have to love how the President of the "Family Research Council" is calling to impeach a judge. Good for you sir. Good for you and the MOB that you think you have behind you.
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Why do Hitchen's opponents always have this disgusting false smile on their faces, and burst into artificial laugh when he says something that contradicts their views? I'm not talking only about this dude, it's typical of all of them.
In the present alot of people have realised that there is no god and do not want to have to listen to prayers every time they attend a public function (which should not involve religion in any way)should not have to listen to the false words "under god" every time the Pledge of Allegiance is recited,and should not have to use money that falsely states that we trust in god.
If you want a day of prayer you can have one. Making the decision come from the White House is saying that you need to prove that this is a christian nation which it is not.
The founders are no longer here can we start to live in the present please?
that stupid fuckhead that said congress should impeach that judge who was completely 100% right should be ashamed of himself. ITS THE 1ST FUCKING AMENDMENT ITS SO CLEAR. And do you think that more people praying together will make the signal stronger so "god" can hear it? what bullshit. if you want to go to church go ahead don't make it sponsored by the government. And even if all the presidents have done the national prayer day it doesn't mean that it is constitutional. hitchens is spot on
"World dictatorship can be established only when the victory of Socialism has been achieved in certain countries or groups of countries … [and] when these federation of republics have finally grown into a world union of Soviet Socialist Republics uniting the whole of mankind under the hegemony of the international proletariat organized as a state."
"Under God" model of government vs. "Under Man" model of government:
“A Marxist must be a materialist, i. e., an enemy of religion, but a dialectical materialist, i. e., one who treats the struggle against religion not in an abstract way, not on the basis of remote, purely theoretical, never varying preaching, but in a concrete way, on the basis of the class struggle which is going on in practice and is educating the masses more and better than anything else could”
“America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its PATRIOTISM, its MORALITY and its SPIRITUAL LIFE. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within.”
— Joseph Stalin (Communist Dictator)
“Give me your four year olds, and in a generation I will build a socialist state. Destroy the family, you destroy the country.”
Socialists have been working for decades to enslave America; destroy America from within. They seek to overthrow the U.S. Constitution and our free institutions of government. God is their biggest obstacle.
“My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy Capitalism. We are ruthless and ask no quarter from you. When our turn comes we shall not disguise our terrorism. The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to Socialism.”
There are 3 forms of government competing for world dominance:
1. Secular Socialist model where HUMAN rulers decide your "rights & freedoms" with NO guarantee because what man gives man can take away. Our founders call this "TYRANNY of men."
2. Sharia: The Qu'ron is your constitution and HUMANS rule over you.
3. Judeo-Christian (USA) model: GOD is our sole granter of rights & liberties, power comes from GOD to us individually, we are sovereign and the government is our servant.
Young people today are uneducated about the principles of freedom. Since the communist takeover movement of the mid 20th century, American kids have been programmed to think that there is something "secular" about a nation, unique among all others, whose citizens' rights and liberties are NOT granted by humans. America's model of government is unlike any other. The ONLY reason we have inalienable (guaranteed) rights in America is because we are a nation founded on DISTRUST in human rulers.
"RELIGION, MORALITY and KNOWLEDGE are NECESSARY to GOOD GOVERNMENT, the PRESERVATION OF LIBERTY, and the happiness of mankind."
-- United States Supreme Court, 1892
"RELIGION must be considered as the FOUNDATION on which THE WHOLE STRUCTURE RESTS. In this age there can be no substitute for CHRISTIANITY; the great conservative element on which WE MUST RELY for THE PURITY and PERMANENCE of free institutions."
"We can't expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism."
—Nikita Khrushchev (on the demise of America)
"We will bury your grand-children without firing a shot."
--Khrushchev (on turning the West communist from within)
Marxists have a real problem with the Creator cited America's founding document because by law, God is our nationally and legally recognized, sole granter of rights and liberties. Every atheist in America MUST, and DOES officially recognize GOD (within their respective state constitution, and a million other state and federal ways). It's the only security they have whether they personally like it or not.
@Mr88playmaker God is our nationally and legally recognized, sole granter of rights and liberties."
Which would be great if he existed somewhere other than in the minds of the insane.
Seriously, I get so sick of this theocratic stupidity. What rights does God grant us? What liberties? Where is this mentioned in the Bible? And I expect a straight answer. If you cannot give me a straight answer I suggest you shut the fuck up and crawl into that hovel you call a church.
It's a shame that people look into the history of their ancestors and say "look, they did this, so can I" and make it permissible instead of justifying it based on the most up-to-date non-biased logic and reasoning.
If people have the rights to pray in public schools, other people would also have the rights to disrupt the the moment of prayer. They all pay tax, don't they?
I don't really care about conversations about religion because people refute evidence, but this guy actually held up a better fight to hitchens compared to other idiots he's debated.
Judge Barbera Crab is a nasty ol' bitch that needs to be removed, Christopher Hitchiens is a drunken angry secular jew. Total napleon complex. He is a drunken fool.
This idiot's only argument seems to be "What harm does it do? Why not advocate prayer?" and no matter how many times Hitchens explains it is unconstitutional, the moron just doesn't get it.
I'm so proud to align myself with the grumbly skeptic on the left of the screen, rather than the smarmy, coiffed dickhead on the right. Total smackdown by CH.
Hitchens is correct. The National Day of Prayer is meant to establish and endorse Christian prayer. It is a passive aggressive way to say, "You don't have to do it, but just know that you're not one of us if you don't." And like all good Christians, it would call into question not only your allegiance, but patriotism to the U.S. Nice try, but that card has been played in the past with disastrous results. Way to unite your nation. When will you Yanks ever learn?
Sadly for the unfortunate who have been taught false religion most their lives through outdated rituals and practices (even within some Christian churches who continue to practice tithing, lavish settings etc). The Gospel Of Christ releases us from bound laws of the Old Testament/Covenant. It is the "New Covenant" in Christ that stands as not only the overwhelming religion of choice, but also the most widely spread amongst all the world.
@Acecool444 Hey if millions of people believe it, it must be right! Millions were never wrong about anything before, like how the Earth is the center of the universe, or that the sun revolves around us, right?
@mb5xx The rotation of the earth and it's orbit of the orbiting sun is far different than that of what is obvious to most, as there was no evidence or manuscript to prove otherwise until it was discovered. Just as ridiculous as to say, early civilizations believed anyone who wasn't of European Caucasian descent was a savage. However, we know the bible already proved, the only savages are those with evil mentality, and that the earth was indeed round...Isaiah 40:22 & Job 26:10
So... you're saying you don't have to live by the content of the old testament? Throw out that stuff? The commandments are in the old testament. Do you believe your god stood idly by for hundreds of millions of years and suddenly decided to interfere 2000 years ago? Feeling good is one thing, the truth is another.
Fact is, British born C. Hitchens "DISTORTS" the U.S.Constitution, as National Prayer Day is "NOT" an "Establishment of Religion" or any other religion. It is a tribute of acknowledgement that those who believe in God (who is defined not as a religion, but a deity). Christmas on the other hand could be defined as a religion as it supports the birth of Jesus, that is, if you believe Jesus was actually born on that day.
For the true definition of Religion, read James 1:27 in the Holy Bible.
I'm sorry Sir, but who is the "National Day of Prayer" for ? The religious. Therefor it is an establishment of religion. It serves no secular function at all.
Christmas is not a religion, Christmas is the hijacked Christian version of a germanic pagan festival indigenous to my country, Denmark, called The yuletide, or the winter solstice. Its a holiday not even related to Jesus.
Government should stay away from all things religious. Religion should be private, period.
@DrDopehat "who is the "National Day of Prayer" for ? The religious."
National Prayer Day is for anyone who wishes to pray. You don't have to be "religious" to pray. If you're agnostic and don't know if God is real, but Pray that he shows himself, does that suddenly make you a religious person? Had it been called, National Christian Prayer Day, would have been an "Establishment" of religion. The bible has an entirely different perspective/definition of Religion. Pure and Undefiled! James 1:27
"You dont have to be religious to pray" What kind of nonsense is that? What would be the point of praying if you ultimately dont believe in what you're doing? What you're saying is nonsensical - Praying is a religious act, an act that wouldnt exist if there were no religion..There is no way you can get around that.
You're even quoting a chapter and verse at me...from a christian bible...Surely you see the absurdity? It *is* the establishment of religion, period.
There, you said it yourself, an act of religion, not an "Establishment" of religion. Religion quoted in the bible James 1:27 is defined as an act of helping the less fortunate and abstaining from sin in the world. Again, not an established religion nor even an act of prayer. Meaning, If you've ever helped someone, You've just committed an act of religion.
Establishment would mean a church, and not to indorse any particular one.
"An act of helping the less fortunate" Means NOTHING of the sort of what I said. An act of religion in a non religious context, IS an establishment of religion. What I said has nothing to do with what you said. Complete non sequitur - The day of prayer is a christian one, thats well known..and nevermind that, its still religion where it doesn't belong. Religion is and should always be, private.
@DrDopehat ""An act of helping the less fortunate" Means NOTHING of the sort/The day of prayer is a christian one, thats well known"
My reference to James 1:27 is the oldest known Christian definition of Religion. So if your claiming that "National Prayer Day" is a Christian Religion, You're wrong there as well. As nowhere is the word Christ, Jesus or any other deity of Religion.
I never said it was a christian religion, I said it was an event for christians. The establishment of religion, specifically the christian religion. I'm not wrong at all. Everything I've said so far is right...see? I can play this game too. The point is, praying is a religious activity, and we all know this one is for the christians, why dance around this point?
@DrDopehat "I never said it was a christian religion, I said it was an event for Christians./The day of prayer is a Christian one"
You just contradicted yourself.
"praying is a religious activity"
So? It's still not an "Establishment of Religion". Regardless of how many times you try to twist, tug and pull, you can't "intelligently" or Logically disprove the clause within the 1st Amendment as anything more or less than what it was perfectly defined, written and designed for.
I didn't contradict myself. You keep messing around with what I say and don't say. You keep changing definitions of what I say and intended meaning. Thats your problem, not mine..my message was clear. The national day of prayer is for christians, and its unconstitutional, simple as that.
Religion has no business anywhere near government, and it doesn't matter about the church of england, its *all* religions, but here the christian one is being preferred, clearly.
@DrDopehat If your still having problems understanding the 1st Amendment and it's "Clauses", I suggest you continue to read it again and again until you do. Still having problems? Then you're only being biased and argumentative for the sake of arguing. And regardless of how many times you like to say your right, does not change the facts. I rest my case.
@DrDopehat "I'm sorry Sir, but who is the "National Day of Prayer" for ? The religious. Therefor it is an establishment of religion. It serves no secular function at all."
No where does the U.S. Constitution make any entries or claims for having to serve exclusively (or otherwise), under the terminology of "secular functions". If in fact the U.S. Appellate courts did not feel National Prayer Day was in fact an "Establishment of Religion", they wouldn't have overturned Crabbs decision.
@DrDopehat Now consider if National Prayer Day was instituted as "National Catholicism Day" or "National Muslim Day" or National Judaism Day, or any other "Establishment of Religion". That would be a direct violation against the U.S. Constitution's 1st Amendment.
A Prayer can simply be used in "ANY" selective group of Established or even Non Established Religions.
btw, I never took anything out of context, I quoted your very words! You however, have been weighed, measured and come up wanting.
Fact is, British born C. Hitchens distorts the U.S.Constitution, as National Prayer Day is "NOT" an "Establishment of Religion" ( or any religion for that matter) and the "Freedom From Religion Foundation" lost the their challenge! ("a feeling of alienation cannot suffice as injury.").National Prayer Day hurts nobody (other than busy body's who can't see America as having more important problems needing to be dealt with), and "National Prayer Day" still continues this very day. End of story!
@DrDopehat Cont: ......The accommodation interpretation prohibits Congress from preferring one religion over another, but does "not" prohibit the government's entry into religious domain to make accommodations in order to achieve the purposes of the Free Exercise Clause.
@DrDopehat "Religion Clauses" of the First Amendment:
The establishment clause has generally been interpreted to prohibit 1) the establishment of a national religion by Congress, or 2) the preference by the U.S. government of one religion over another. The first approach is called the "separation" or "no aid" interpretation, while the second approach is called the "non-preferential" or "accommodation" interpretation.
@DrDopehat The clause (below) itself was seen as a reaction to the Church of England, established as the official church of England and some of the colonies, during the colonial era. It possibly could have been thought up of as a consensus to the diversity of religions in the U.S. at the time of the Constitution's creation.
This means, that the CHURCH OF ENGLAND was the "Established Church Of England" during the colonial era. No Church was indorsed for "National Prayer Day".
@DrDopehat "Christmas is the hijacked Christian version of a germanic pagan festival indigenous to my country."
Wrong again! Christ's Mass was the first introduction to the word "Christmas" and the later pagan celebrations, St. Nickolaus, Xmas Trees, Lights, Ornaments, commercial marketing, etc filtered in and contaminated it with pagan rituals. Much like the Catholic Church turning the Sabbath into Sunday, or the Pagan Easter Bunny or Eggs of Gods for the Sacrificial Resurrection of Jesus.
I'm not talking about the word, I'm talking about the festival itself. So that would make me right. Christmas today basically *is* Yuletide in modern form with a few added things, the only difference is that we (danish people) get our presents on the 24th during the evening, you get them on the 25th in the morning.
Not sure what you mean by "wrong again"..its the only thing I've talked about, and that one thing I was right about.
@DrDopehat No, You were absolutely wrong! Claiming that Christmas was hijacked by Christians, Regardless of your seemingly incessant need to be right, You've already been proven wrong twice. Get over it!
@Acecool444 Plus I think it's evil and ridiculous to insinuate that because Hitch has been a proponent for atheism or "slamming God" as you say, that in turn is the reason for his loss of voice. Cancer is not biased, it doesn't target the immoral, it exists in every stretch of the globe. Africa, one of the most religious continents of the world, suffers the most horrible (and often preventable) diseases every day. What have they done to deserve these parasites which God must've created?
@Acecool444 He didn't say all religions are the axis of evil. However he did say that religion poisons the mind. If it was stated that evolution was fact in the bible. Then nearly all Americans would believe it. As it stands half the American population deny the fact of evolution simply because of biblical incompatibility. How is it not delusional to believe in talking snakes, women turning into blocks of salt, water magically turning into wine, people living in whales, witches etc. C'mon.
The usa has the best democratic constitution in the world. It is just a shame theocrats have de-facto abolished it. You do not follow it, and you are bullied by evangelicals. Welcome to New Teheran.
@SachaGoed Well, I am from Norway. We do not have constitutional separation of church and state, on the contrary we have a state church. That is only one of many points I believe make the US constitution superior.
We do however have a culture which de-facto makes religion void in the public square. My point is that the American constitution has been thrown aside by powerfull religious nut-jobs. And Americans seem to accept this as status-quo, and even "the American way". Makes you want to cry
@Kleenex2k8 Agreeing with you on your last point. I have to admit your first comment gave me the impression you're American. Though the constitution of the usa scores high regarding the separation of church & state (on paper), it has his flaws, then and now.
Interesting about Norway not having a constitutional separation. Since Norway scores very high on the democracy index it doesn't seem to hurt it. With the usa it's the complete opposite.
@SachaGoed And I agree that the American constitution has its flaws, as does any other such document. It was however the first constitution that granted equal rights to all, religious freedom, etc in one comprehensive package. That it also includes the right to carry a fully automatic high powered rifle is another story.
We do score high on these tests despite our consitution, not because of it. Just as some religious people contribute to science, despite their religious beliefs ;)
I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general atheistic social perspectives
Atheist are just jealous because they don't have a national day. Don't cry atheist, of course you have a national day. You have had one for years. The Bible says in Psalm 14:1~3: The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God.'
It's funny that this guy poo-poos the fact that the Madison writings were discovered 100 hundred years after his death, BUT our religon is based on writings hundred of years after the what we feel are facts.
@soildmoose IS BETTER TO BE AFRAID OF GOD THEN NOT BEING AFRAID LOOK WHAT HAPPEN TO SATAN LOOK WHERE HE'S AT NOW IN HELL THOES THAT TRY TO GO AGASINT GOD WILL BE DESTROY THE WRATH OF GOD IS TERRIBLE THIS MAN HITCHES IS NOTHING MORE THEN A FOOL WHO THINKS HE KNOWS GOD BUT DOES NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT GOD THE ONLY THING HE KNOWS IS WHAT HE SEES WITH HIS EYES AND HIS MIND THAT'S ALL HE KNOWS THAT'S HIS WISDOM WHAT A UNIVERSAL JOKE AND YOU GLORIFIED THIS MAN HA HA HE IS A FOOL A CLOWN
@soildmoose IS BETTER TO BE AFRAID OF GOD THEN NOT BEING AFRAID LOOK WHAT HAPPEN TO SATAN LOOK WHERE HE'S AT NOW IN HELL THOES THAT TRY TO GO AGAINST GOD WILL BE DESTROY THE WRATH OF GOD IS TERRIBLE THIS MAN HITCHES IS NOTHING MORE THEN A FOOL WHO THINKS HE KNOWS GOD BUT DOES NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT GOD THE ONLY THING HE KNOWS IS WHAT HE SEES WITH HIS EYES AND HIS MIND THAT'S ALL HE KNOWS THAT'S HIS WISDOM WHAT A UNIVERSAL JOKE AND YOU GLORIFIED THIS MAN HA HA HE IS A FOOL A CLOWN
Perkins says this unifies in a secular way. How? It divides any non-believer from believer. This is obvious by the responses here. I see division, not unity. Tradition should be questioned. Traditions can be flawed. Perkins and his kind use the argument of 'tradition' as if tradition was always a good thing. How long was the 'tradition' of animal sacrifices practiced in the bible? Jesus put an end to that tradition. Maybe Perkins should take a lesson from his god/man.
@SpinyNorman416 "Roe v. Wade is upheld by the supreme court so,"
Roe vs Wade nor Abortion has anything to do with the constitution. And the 7th District Court ruled against Crabbs decision on grounds that National Prayer Day cannot be stricken down upon perceived "hurt feelings" and does not cause bodily injury, nor forced upon anyone. Not implying it hurt your feelings ;)
I also appreciate your comments, and may I say, I also wish you well.
@SpinyNorman416 The first definition ever written about the true meaning of Religion, I point you to James 1:27 of the New Testament. In all, Helping those less fortunate than yourselves who could not by themselves live without much hardship without help from others and to keep yourself from the foolish reasoning of of man without God. So, if you ever helped someone in need, you are in part acting in a religious fashion, but not necessarily an establishment of man made organized religion.
@SpinyNorman416 Unless the Supreme Court makes a decision to overturn the 7th District Courts ruling, it is what it is. Till then, I suggest you don't grovel over this and get on with your life. There are more important things, like standing up against abortion, fraud within our Government, Wall Street, Offshore Oligarchical Bankers lobbying against the constitution and our liberties, War in the middle east, Global Warming etc, but National Prayer Day? and "hurt feelings"? Talk about senseless!
@SpinyNorman416 "Prayer is a religious institution, plain and simple."
The clause in the 1st Amendment strictly points out "ESTABLISHMENT" of religion. Regardless of how many times you neglect that fact, will not change it. I strongly urge you to look up the definition. No RELIGION has been established other than the ability to pray to what ever religion you so chose to worship. The context of the 1st Amendment implies not choosing one religion over another. Meaning! NO Jewish Prayer Day, etc,.
@SpinyNorman416 Feel free to continue arguing over opinions or interpretations of the constitution. I've already stated the facts and but will not stand idle while a few atheists continue to destroy the foundation of our constitutional rights. If you're going to fight anything, Christmas IS an establishment of religion, so why has that been accepted as a National Holiday? Personally speaking, Jesus wasn't born on Dec 25th and is a commercialized "for profit" holiday if you ask me.
@SpinyNorman416 "There is no nonreligious use for prayer." "National Day of Communion" or a "National Day for Glorifying God"
Once again, over exaggeration and twisting things around. It's not "Communion" nor "Glorifying God Day". Like I said before, if you wish to pray to Satan or the Fairy God Mother, that's your choice.
@SpinyNorman416 "If I follow you line of argument correctly, since Christians are the most numerous religious group, why shouldn't there be a day of christian prayer? "
Because, to imply "Christian" would break the 1st Amendment ruling that states Congress shall make no law respecting an "Establishment of Religion". Christianity would be classified as an established religion.
@SpinyNorman416 "The number of people that support an issue does not matter if the issue is unconstitutional."
The 1st Amendment states that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
NO RESPECT OF ESTABLISHMENT of Religion has been implied in "NPD".
@SpinyNorman416 "Atheists are a group that report at 2.5% of the population of the world with 12.7% identifying as non religious."
and I pray that it stays that way, or at the very best, decreases. As an American Citizen who believes in the constitution, I also believe that it's "WE THE PEOPLE" as the majority who rule this nation. Not a few who have differences of opinion.
Here you have Hitchen's, a British Born citizenship, who has no problem with Satanic influence of "Halloween" as a holiday, yet displays his busy body ignorance fighting against the "Hurt Feelings" of Atheists being "Excluded" that truly hurts no one. Time to grow a set Hitchen's, and show some balls.
The 7th District Court overruled Crabb's decision, while Hitchen's just proved what a ranting fool he can be.
@SpinyNorman416 "Second point, the "free to leave" argument is a foolish one."
My "Suggestion" saying "Free To Leave", was "Never" an argument! Once again, your being argumentative and twisting things around (as most atheist's are known to do), is once again, wrong! If you don't like the rules, nobody is forcing you to stay here. The only thing you've said so far that was fact, other than opinion, is that I was wrong in saying America was founded upon the motto"IN GOD WE TRUST".
@SpinyNorman416 If your continued attempt at discussing the irony in my previous statement still eludes you, then it's also quite evident anything and everything can be twisted around by convoluted thought and reasoning. If you don't see the irony in a devout atheist relying on a Christian Scientist/Doctor (friend or foe), all the power to you. But to strike up an argument over opinion is ridiculous. I see the sky as blue, you see it as green (color blind), it's futile to go on with it.
@SpinyNorman416 As I said before, "Isn't it the Atheists who always claim we Christians are delusional?"
That said, The irony is, Hitchens claims that anyone who believes in God is delusional, so the irony is......
That if we are so delusional, why allow a "DELUSIONAL" Christian Doctor to treat him? Because their friends? And why be friends with someone who is DELUSIONAL? The irony is, We see proof here, that Christians aren't as "DELUSIONAL" as you atheists try to make us out to be.
@SpinyNorman416 You have a right to believe what ever you want, but you still fail to see that regardless of Hitchens befriending Collins, He is still being treated by an Evangelical Christian Doctor.
@Acecool444 There is nothing ironic about it. Dr. Collins is an excellent physician, regardless his religious beliefs. Hitchens statements are concerning religion and religion only. That religious people are delusional in their religious beliefs does not imply that they are delusional in any other aspects of their understanding of reality (even though religion would make up a major part of that understanding). I can be atheist and delusional or ignorant in other aspects of how I view the world.
@Kleenex2k8 Sorry, not to evade your last comment, but honestly, I have a problem debating someone who chooses to use the nic "Kleenex". I've already stated my feelings in this matter of irony, so I end it here.
Fact is, British born C. Hitchens distorts the U.S.Cconstitution, as National Prayer Day is "NOT" an "Establishment of Religion" ( or any religion for that matter) and the "Freedom From Religion Foundation" lost the their challenge! ("a feeling of alienation cannot suffice as injury.").National Prayer Day hurts nobody (other than busy body's who can't see America as having more important problems needing to be dealt with), and "National Prayer Day" still continues this very day. End of story!
@SpinyNorman416 I look forward to your support of Muslim, Hindu and Jewish prayer days, as well as any other group who wishes for it.
It's not Christian Prayer Day or any other established form of religion, it's "NATIONAL PRAYER DAY", All religion's are including Satanism should you choose. Don't appreciate a country founded on "IN GOD WE TRUST"? then you're free to leave.
@SpinyNorman416 Fallwell died of old age from gluttony. Yes, it all catches up to you if you don't take care of yourself, even those who claim they walk with God.
You can't see the irony because you're biased and ignorant is all. Isn't it the Atheists who always claim we Christians are delusional? The irony was Hitchen's choosing an Evangelical Christian as his doctor, not making fun of his cancer. Making fun of/Black Heart vs Fat Ass Falwell Dying? You're nothing but a hypocrite.
I took a man I didn't like and nailed him to a giant cross yesterday. It was bloody as all hell, the guy literally screamed for hours. He was only let down when his hands fell off. I was then taken into custody and charged with murder. I gave the excuse that "this has been a practice since the time of Jesus himself!". They had no option but to release me.
Kubstofferson 1 week ago
When Tony Perkins' face showed on the screen I got a little bit scared.
TheSonorama21 1 month ago
It's sad that Hitchens was so hateful about life; it skewered his system of belief about most things, making him delusional in his views. Pretty basic mental instabilities. Of course, he's dead now, so who cares?
cliffandy 2 months ago
@cliffandy Yeah, troll.
VenomShock 2 months ago
@cliffandy a lot of people care, you just need to open your eyes and see the rate at which people are waking up to all this bullshit, finally....he will be missed. We need more people like him in the world if we are to advance as a species....the religious brainwashing needs to stop.
Ansett76 1 month ago
@cliffandy i don't think hitchens was hateful towards life, but instead to the people who seek to control it with threats of hell or even murder, and that is all religion ever was.
fuckinghellyoutwat 1 week ago
@fuckinghellyoutwat we don't need religion to have threats of hell and murder. All we're left with on Hitchens is his words; he wrote much and, as is apparent on yt, got a lot of face time with his contrived opposition. He never got to the point but used whatever he disapproved of to promote a hatred for it. And I don't need to have a smoke screen to rally for that; he left plenty of 'documented' evidence to show it as such: hatred. Please don't take it personally.
cliffandy 1 week ago
You could make a simple sound board of what perkins says.
Goes back to George Washington!
This is a case of judicial arrogance!
That's pretty much all he said the entire 8 minutes.
jquik26 2 months ago
What a shame we no longer have Christopher as a voice against the Christian bulldozer who tries to take over every institution and force their views on the rest of us.
damrak1969 2 months ago 2
Let's make it a Muslim prayer and you will see how fucking fast the reltards change their minds!
Einsteinian99 2 months ago
RIP Hitch.
nuscholar1979 2 months ago
Why do bible waving morons always seem to type in capitals?
SteveIsaacson76 3 months ago 3
@SteveIsaacson76 All caps = serious business
craigdavid00 2 months ago
The problem with most Americans is that they haven't had to deal with these issues because America 100 years ago wasn't as diverse as it is now. The Constitution is clear in not having the federal Govt not being involved in promoting a religious action. So now since we have so many religions, the majority Christians don't like the fact their traditions are being challenged.
tonydorsett33 4 months ago
Tony Perkins should go fist himself.
thematt5738 4 months ago
@thematt5738 somehow, I think he already does...and likes it.
Ansett76 1 month ago
These religious types when trying to argue with Hitch always put on a slimy smile
vashna3799 4 months ago 3
Tony is the most smug looking guy I've ever seen in my life.
entercow 4 months ago 2
FOR IT IS WRITTEN I WILL BAFFLE AND RENDER USELESS AND DESTROY THE LEARNING OF THE LEARNED AND THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE PHILOSOPHERS AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER AND THE DISCERNMENT OF THE DISCERNING I WILL FRUSTRATE AND NULLIFY THEM AND BRING THEM TO NOTHING. WHERE IS THE WISE MAN THE PHILOSOPHER WHERE IS THE SCRIBE THE SCHOLAR WHERE IS THE INVESTIGATOR THE LOGICIAN THE DEBATER OF THIS PRESENT TIME AND AGE? HAS NOT GOD SHOWN UP THE NONSENSE AND THE FOLLY OF THIS WORLDS WISDOM ?
maxismax100 4 months ago
@maxismax100 Shut up.
Winterwolf00 4 months ago
@Winterwolf00 JOHN 11;7 CAN YOU DISCOVER THE DEPTHS OF GOD ? CAN YOU DISCOVER THE LIMITS OF THE ALMIGHTY ?. ISAIAH 40;18 TO WHOM THEN WILL YOU LIKEN GOD ? OR WHAT LIKENESS WILL YOU COMPARE WITH HIM ?
maxismax100 3 months ago
@maxismax100 Shut up.
Winterwolf00 3 months ago
@Winterwolf00 THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION GIVES ME THE RIGHT UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH TO SAY WHAT EVER I WANT SO WHAT'S YOUR POINT ? DONT VIOLATE MY CIVIL RIGHT UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES I HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK AND SAY WHAT I WANT GET THE PICTURE
maxismax100 3 months ago
@maxismax100 Shut up.
Winterwolf00 3 months ago
@maxismax100
Nutters love capitalisation. They also hate grammar.
revjimbob 2 months ago
@maxismax100 yup, we get it...stop SHOUTING! bet you have a big ol' gun too...
Ansett76 1 month ago
@maxismax100 you have the right to say what ever you like, but so do we, like for example that the bible is a disgusting book full of bigotry and absurdity, it was written by nomadic tribesman who couldn't have possibly known how inaccurate it was and how that inaccuracy would lead many people to rightly conclude that it isn't the work of the devine or even anyone with knowledge of such, the only people who haven't concluded such are either willfully ignorant or woefully impared.
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@maxismax100 Off your meds again?
ciaochowbella 4 months ago
hahah loves the way chris owned him at the end
JagjeetMann 5 months ago
Why do Christian apologists always sport that smarmy grin?
JPTill 5 months ago 2
@JPTill They're salesmen.
tsims21 5 months ago
Hitchens did not quote the next part, "neither prohibiting the free exercise thereof" was also ratified by the founders and prayer has always been a part of the national psyche of America. The issue is is that after the historic Civil Rights movement many values started to be uprooted from the American psyche. The idea that America is a Christian nation for example. Even Dr King talked about the "wells of democracy from our Judeo/Christian past." But Americans want Sodom rather than Jerusalem!
fothgt 5 months ago
@maxismax100 your caps lock is on.
annabellemee 5 months ago
@annabellemee No, he's trying to do the internet equivalent of yelling because he knows his ideas are so stupid that only through yelling would anyone even pay attention.
MyOverflow 5 months ago
MY MY HOW THE MIGHTY HAS FALL CANCER ? GOD WILL NOT BE MOCK GET THE PICTURE
maxismax100 5 months ago
It seems there is no argument tolerated against the Christian god in the US. STOP THAT THOUGHT and reread the first sentence.
Siiggghhh!
rdvqc 5 months ago
It is funny how when a judge does what the fundies want, they are godly judges and "God answered our prayers" But when they give ruling they dislike they are activists judges. Any judge that rules against them is an activist judge.
That is such a logical fallacy.
petphotog 6 months ago
Christopher Hitchens owned the douche. Fair dinkum mate!
paxfromindy 6 months ago 21
"judicial activism" = judges doing their job
BassAceReturns 6 months ago
religament!
detahdomo 6 months ago
You have to love how the President of the "Family Research Council" is calling to impeach a judge. Good for you sir. Good for you and the MOB that you think you have behind you.
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TheServiceWeb 6 months ago
Why do Hitchen's opponents always have this disgusting false smile on their faces, and burst into artificial laugh when he says something that contradicts their views? I'm not talking only about this dude, it's typical of all of them.
puolalainen44 6 months ago 2
@puolalainen44 Ken Blackwell was the absolute worst! It's a debating defense mechanism for idiots who are intellectually under equipped.
DaHonestAbe 6 months ago
@puolalainen44 You are reading my mind!!!!False Smiles
Swedetres 1 month ago
In the present alot of people have realised that there is no god and do not want to have to listen to prayers every time they attend a public function (which should not involve religion in any way)should not have to listen to the false words "under god" every time the Pledge of Allegiance is recited,and should not have to use money that falsely states that we trust in god.
religousuntruths 6 months ago
If you want a day of prayer you can have one. Making the decision come from the White House is saying that you need to prove that this is a christian nation which it is not.
The founders are no longer here can we start to live in the present please?
religousuntruths 6 months ago 2
Our Nation started with slavery too but we put an end to it, so should we put an end to this bullshit day of prayer.
oneznzeroz 7 months ago
that stupid fuckhead that said congress should impeach that judge who was completely 100% right should be ashamed of himself. ITS THE 1ST FUCKING AMENDMENT ITS SO CLEAR. And do you think that more people praying together will make the signal stronger so "god" can hear it? what bullshit. if you want to go to church go ahead don't make it sponsored by the government. And even if all the presidents have done the national prayer day it doesn't mean that it is constitutional. hitchens is spot on
watupg1231 7 months ago
God stands in the way of Socialist dictatorship:
"World dictatorship can be established only when the victory of Socialism has been achieved in certain countries or groups of countries … [and] when these federation of republics have finally grown into a world union of Soviet Socialist Republics uniting the whole of mankind under the hegemony of the international proletariat organized as a state."
--Josef Stalin
Mr88playmaker 7 months ago
"Under God" model of government vs. "Under Man" model of government:
“A Marxist must be a materialist, i. e., an enemy of religion, but a dialectical materialist, i. e., one who treats the struggle against religion not in an abstract way, not on the basis of remote, purely theoretical, never varying preaching, but in a concrete way, on the basis of the class struggle which is going on in practice and is educating the masses more and better than anything else could”
--Vladimir Lenin (Communist)
Mr88playmaker 7 months ago
“America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its PATRIOTISM, its MORALITY and its SPIRITUAL LIFE. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within.”
— Joseph Stalin (Communist Dictator)
“Give me your four year olds, and in a generation I will build a socialist state. Destroy the family, you destroy the country.”
— Vladimir Lenin (Communist Dictator)
Mr88playmaker 7 months ago
Socialists have been working for decades to enslave America; destroy America from within. They seek to overthrow the U.S. Constitution and our free institutions of government. God is their biggest obstacle.
“My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy Capitalism. We are ruthless and ask no quarter from you. When our turn comes we shall not disguise our terrorism. The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to Socialism.”
— Karl Marx (Father of Communism, atheist)
Mr88playmaker 7 months ago
There are 3 forms of government competing for world dominance:
1. Secular Socialist model where HUMAN rulers decide your "rights & freedoms" with NO guarantee because what man gives man can take away. Our founders call this "TYRANNY of men."
2. Sharia: The Qu'ron is your constitution and HUMANS rule over you.
3. Judeo-Christian (USA) model: GOD is our sole granter of rights & liberties, power comes from GOD to us individually, we are sovereign and the government is our servant.
Mr88playmaker 7 months ago
"Religion is the basis and Foundation of Government."
--James Madison (Father of the U.S. Constitution)
Mr88playmaker 7 months ago
Young people today are uneducated about the principles of freedom. Since the communist takeover movement of the mid 20th century, American kids have been programmed to think that there is something "secular" about a nation, unique among all others, whose citizens' rights and liberties are NOT granted by humans. America's model of government is unlike any other. The ONLY reason we have inalienable (guaranteed) rights in America is because we are a nation founded on DISTRUST in human rulers.
Mr88playmaker 7 months ago
"RELIGION, MORALITY and KNOWLEDGE are NECESSARY to GOOD GOVERNMENT, the PRESERVATION OF LIBERTY, and the happiness of mankind."
-- United States Supreme Court, 1892
"RELIGION must be considered as the FOUNDATION on which THE WHOLE STRUCTURE RESTS. In this age there can be no substitute for CHRISTIANITY; the great conservative element on which WE MUST RELY for THE PURITY and PERMANENCE of free institutions."
-- House Judiciary Committee, 1854
Mr88playmaker 7 months ago
@Mr88playmaker yeah and look where that got everyone....
Ansett76 1 month ago
"We can't expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism."
—Nikita Khrushchev (on the demise of America)
"We will bury your grand-children without firing a shot."
--Khrushchev (on turning the West communist from within)
Mr88playmaker 7 months ago
Marxists have a real problem with the Creator cited America's founding document because by law, God is our nationally and legally recognized, sole granter of rights and liberties. Every atheist in America MUST, and DOES officially recognize GOD (within their respective state constitution, and a million other state and federal ways). It's the only security they have whether they personally like it or not.
"Man will be ruled either by God or by tyrants."
--Ben Franklin (U.S. founding father)
Mr88playmaker 7 months ago
@Mr88playmaker "Man will be ruled either by God or by tyrants."
Those aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.
Savior20061 1 month ago
@Mr88playmaker God is our nationally and legally recognized, sole granter of rights and liberties."
Which would be great if he existed somewhere other than in the minds of the insane.
Seriously, I get so sick of this theocratic stupidity. What rights does God grant us? What liberties? Where is this mentioned in the Bible? And I expect a straight answer. If you cannot give me a straight answer I suggest you shut the fuck up and crawl into that hovel you call a church.
Savior20061 1 month ago 3
The Family Reseach Counsel?
GeorgesBarras 7 months ago
It's a shame that people look into the history of their ancestors and say "look, they did this, so can I" and make it permissible instead of justifying it based on the most up-to-date non-biased logic and reasoning.
homeofbrokendreams 7 months ago 19
If people have the rights to pray in public schools, other people would also have the rights to disrupt the the moment of prayer. They all pay tax, don't they?
homeofbrokendreams 7 months ago
I don't really care about conversations about religion because people refute evidence, but this guy actually held up a better fight to hitchens compared to other idiots he's debated.
echoplex89 7 months ago
Judge Barbera Crab is a nasty ol' bitch that needs to be removed, Christopher Hitchiens is a drunken angry secular jew. Total napleon complex. He is a drunken fool.
TAXtheAtheist 7 months ago
@TAXtheAtheist Sarcasm?
qac1pitt 7 months ago
@TAXtheAtheist And you're a crypto-Nazi....see, we of the enlightenment can play these silly, infantile games too...
MattSingh1 7 months ago
haha you could just see at the end that hitchens was quietly so pleased to sneek in the final word
smutyhouse 8 months ago
Haha Hitchens looks like such a grouch when he's beside Perkins, but he's 100x more intelligent and articulate.
radiomonkey20 8 months ago
This idiot's only argument seems to be "What harm does it do? Why not advocate prayer?" and no matter how many times Hitchens explains it is unconstitutional, the moron just doesn't get it.
drche420 8 months ago
I'm so proud to align myself with the grumbly skeptic on the left of the screen, rather than the smarmy, coiffed dickhead on the right. Total smackdown by CH.
topstep 8 months ago
Hitchens is correct. The National Day of Prayer is meant to establish and endorse Christian prayer. It is a passive aggressive way to say, "You don't have to do it, but just know that you're not one of us if you don't." And like all good Christians, it would call into question not only your allegiance, but patriotism to the U.S. Nice try, but that card has been played in the past with disastrous results. Way to unite your nation. When will you Yanks ever learn?
godfreelady 8 months ago
Religion is outdated!
LittleTownInNorway 8 months ago
@LittleTownInNorway " Religion is outdated!"
Sadly for the unfortunate who have been taught false religion most their lives through outdated rituals and practices (even within some Christian churches who continue to practice tithing, lavish settings etc). The Gospel Of Christ releases us from bound laws of the Old Testament/Covenant. It is the "New Covenant" in Christ that stands as not only the overwhelming religion of choice, but also the most widely spread amongst all the world.
Acecool444 8 months ago
@Acecool444 Hey if millions of people believe it, it must be right! Millions were never wrong about anything before, like how the Earth is the center of the universe, or that the sun revolves around us, right?
mb5xx 8 months ago
@mb5xx The rotation of the earth and it's orbit of the orbiting sun is far different than that of what is obvious to most, as there was no evidence or manuscript to prove otherwise until it was discovered. Just as ridiculous as to say, early civilizations believed anyone who wasn't of European Caucasian descent was a savage. However, we know the bible already proved, the only savages are those with evil mentality, and that the earth was indeed round...Isaiah 40:22 & Job 26:10
Acecool444 8 months ago
@mb5xx That's a good one, but I like this one better:
"Eat Shit! Twenty Trillion Flies Can't Be Wrong!"
gdog066 8 months ago
@mb5xx
Out out cursed geocentric fool!
:D
bersaba 7 months ago
@Acecool444
So... you're saying you don't have to live by the content of the old testament? Throw out that stuff? The commandments are in the old testament. Do you believe your god stood idly by for hundreds of millions of years and suddenly decided to interfere 2000 years ago? Feeling good is one thing, the truth is another.
drche420 8 months ago
Moral of the story: Smiling doesn't make you seem like any less of a fuckwit, in fact, it can do quite the opposite.
CynicalFrequency 8 months ago
That twat from the church wouldn`t shut the fuck up, I`m not sure why he bothered, He said fuck all
xmoroseguyx 8 months ago
That Perkins guy, s he the same guy from Psycho? He sure sounds like a looney?
zapkvr 8 months ago
Fact is, British born C. Hitchens "DISTORTS" the U.S.Constitution, as National Prayer Day is "NOT" an "Establishment of Religion" or any other religion. It is a tribute of acknowledgement that those who believe in God (who is defined not as a religion, but a deity). Christmas on the other hand could be defined as a religion as it supports the birth of Jesus, that is, if you believe Jesus was actually born on that day.
For the true definition of Religion, read James 1:27 in the Holy Bible.
Acecool444 8 months ago
@Acecool444
I'm sorry Sir, but who is the "National Day of Prayer" for ? The religious. Therefor it is an establishment of religion. It serves no secular function at all.
Christmas is not a religion, Christmas is the hijacked Christian version of a germanic pagan festival indigenous to my country, Denmark, called The yuletide, or the winter solstice. Its a holiday not even related to Jesus.
Government should stay away from all things religious. Religion should be private, period.
DrDopehat 8 months ago
@DrDopehat "who is the "National Day of Prayer" for ? The religious."
National Prayer Day is for anyone who wishes to pray. You don't have to be "religious" to pray. If you're agnostic and don't know if God is real, but Pray that he shows himself, does that suddenly make you a religious person? Had it been called, National Christian Prayer Day, would have been an "Establishment" of religion. The bible has an entirely different perspective/definition of Religion. Pure and Undefiled! James 1:27
Acecool444 8 months ago
@Acecool444
"You dont have to be religious to pray" What kind of nonsense is that? What would be the point of praying if you ultimately dont believe in what you're doing? What you're saying is nonsensical - Praying is a religious act, an act that wouldnt exist if there were no religion..There is no way you can get around that.
You're even quoting a chapter and verse at me...from a christian bible...Surely you see the absurdity? It *is* the establishment of religion, period.
DrDopehat 8 months ago
@DrDopehat "Praying is a religious act"
There, you said it yourself, an act of religion, not an "Establishment" of religion. Religion quoted in the bible James 1:27 is defined as an act of helping the less fortunate and abstaining from sin in the world. Again, not an established religion nor even an act of prayer. Meaning, If you've ever helped someone, You've just committed an act of religion.
Establishment would mean a church, and not to indorse any particular one.
Acecool444 8 months ago
@Acecool444
"An act of helping the less fortunate" Means NOTHING of the sort of what I said. An act of religion in a non religious context, IS an establishment of religion. What I said has nothing to do with what you said. Complete non sequitur - The day of prayer is a christian one, thats well known..and nevermind that, its still religion where it doesn't belong. Religion is and should always be, private.
mister jefferson, build up that wall.
DrDopehat 8 months ago
@DrDopehat ""An act of helping the less fortunate" Means NOTHING of the sort/The day of prayer is a christian one, thats well known"
My reference to James 1:27 is the oldest known Christian definition of Religion. So if your claiming that "National Prayer Day" is a Christian Religion, You're wrong there as well. As nowhere is the word Christ, Jesus or any other deity of Religion.
Acecool444 8 months ago
@Acecool444
I never said it was a christian religion, I said it was an event for christians. The establishment of religion, specifically the christian religion. I'm not wrong at all. Everything I've said so far is right...see? I can play this game too. The point is, praying is a religious activity, and we all know this one is for the christians, why dance around this point?
Its, as I said, religion where it doesn't belong.
DrDopehat 8 months ago
@DrDopehat "I never said it was a christian religion, I said it was an event for Christians./The day of prayer is a Christian one"
You just contradicted yourself.
"praying is a religious activity"
So? It's still not an "Establishment of Religion". Regardless of how many times you try to twist, tug and pull, you can't "intelligently" or Logically disprove the clause within the 1st Amendment as anything more or less than what it was perfectly defined, written and designed for.
Acecool444 8 months ago
@Acecool444
I didn't contradict myself. You keep messing around with what I say and don't say. You keep changing definitions of what I say and intended meaning. Thats your problem, not mine..my message was clear. The national day of prayer is for christians, and its unconstitutional, simple as that.
Religion has no business anywhere near government, and it doesn't matter about the church of england, its *all* religions, but here the christian one is being preferred, clearly.
DrDopehat 8 months ago
@DrDopehat If your still having problems understanding the 1st Amendment and it's "Clauses", I suggest you continue to read it again and again until you do. Still having problems? Then you're only being biased and argumentative for the sake of arguing. And regardless of how many times you like to say your right, does not change the facts. I rest my case.
Acecool444 8 months ago
@DrDopehat "I'm sorry Sir, but who is the "National Day of Prayer" for ? The religious. Therefor it is an establishment of religion. It serves no secular function at all."
No where does the U.S. Constitution make any entries or claims for having to serve exclusively (or otherwise), under the terminology of "secular functions". If in fact the U.S. Appellate courts did not feel National Prayer Day was in fact an "Establishment of Religion", they wouldn't have overturned Crabbs decision.
Acecool444 8 months ago
@DrDopehat Now consider if National Prayer Day was instituted as "National Catholicism Day" or "National Muslim Day" or National Judaism Day, or any other "Establishment of Religion". That would be a direct violation against the U.S. Constitution's 1st Amendment.
A Prayer can simply be used in "ANY" selective group of Established or even Non Established Religions.
btw, I never took anything out of context, I quoted your very words! You however, have been weighed, measured and come up wanting.
Acecool444 8 months ago
Fact is, British born C. Hitchens distorts the U.S.Constitution, as National Prayer Day is "NOT" an "Establishment of Religion" ( or any religion for that matter) and the "Freedom From Religion Foundation" lost the their challenge! ("a feeling of alienation cannot suffice as injury.").National Prayer Day hurts nobody (other than busy body's who can't see America as having more important problems needing to be dealt with), and "National Prayer Day" still continues this very day. End of story!
Acecool444 8 months ago
@DrDopehat Cont: ......The accommodation interpretation prohibits Congress from preferring one religion over another, but does "not" prohibit the government's entry into religious domain to make accommodations in order to achieve the purposes of the Free Exercise Clause.
Acecool444 8 months ago
@DrDopehat "Religion Clauses" of the First Amendment:
The establishment clause has generally been interpreted to prohibit 1) the establishment of a national religion by Congress, or 2) the preference by the U.S. government of one religion over another. The first approach is called the "separation" or "no aid" interpretation, while the second approach is called the "non-preferential" or "accommodation" interpretation.
Continued:
Acecool444 8 months ago
@DrDopehat The clause (below) itself was seen as a reaction to the Church of England, established as the official church of England and some of the colonies, during the colonial era. It possibly could have been thought up of as a consensus to the diversity of religions in the U.S. at the time of the Constitution's creation.
This means, that the CHURCH OF ENGLAND was the "Established Church Of England" during the colonial era. No Church was indorsed for "National Prayer Day".
Acecool444 8 months ago
@DrDopehat "Christmas is the hijacked Christian version of a germanic pagan festival indigenous to my country."
Wrong again! Christ's Mass was the first introduction to the word "Christmas" and the later pagan celebrations, St. Nickolaus, Xmas Trees, Lights, Ornaments, commercial marketing, etc filtered in and contaminated it with pagan rituals. Much like the Catholic Church turning the Sabbath into Sunday, or the Pagan Easter Bunny or Eggs of Gods for the Sacrificial Resurrection of Jesus.
Acecool444 8 months ago
@Acecool444
I'm not talking about the word, I'm talking about the festival itself. So that would make me right. Christmas today basically *is* Yuletide in modern form with a few added things, the only difference is that we (danish people) get our presents on the 24th during the evening, you get them on the 25th in the morning.
Not sure what you mean by "wrong again"..its the only thing I've talked about, and that one thing I was right about.
DrDopehat 8 months ago
@DrDopehat No, You were absolutely wrong! Claiming that Christmas was hijacked by Christians, Regardless of your seemingly incessant need to be right, You've already been proven wrong twice. Get over it!
Acecool444 8 months ago
Go Chris!!! =D
treehugrurthluvrsupr 8 months ago
Hitchslapped.
itstonymacaroni 8 months ago
Tony Perkins is either an idiot or wilfully obtuse.
VireoIbis 8 months ago
5:16 = The face of ignorance.
AdamDLDixon 8 months ago
The "Family Research Council". Don't you just love the way these fucks pervert the English language.
iconoclast135 8 months ago 2
@Acecool444 Plus I think it's evil and ridiculous to insinuate that because Hitch has been a proponent for atheism or "slamming God" as you say, that in turn is the reason for his loss of voice. Cancer is not biased, it doesn't target the immoral, it exists in every stretch of the globe. Africa, one of the most religious continents of the world, suffers the most horrible (and often preventable) diseases every day. What have they done to deserve these parasites which God must've created?
a7xdude87 9 months ago
@Acecool444 He didn't say all religions are the axis of evil. However he did say that religion poisons the mind. If it was stated that evolution was fact in the bible. Then nearly all Americans would believe it. As it stands half the American population deny the fact of evolution simply because of biblical incompatibility. How is it not delusional to believe in talking snakes, women turning into blocks of salt, water magically turning into wine, people living in whales, witches etc. C'mon.
a7xdude87 9 months ago
0:38 seconds in, hitchens in killzone mode
slayer2022 9 months ago
how is complying STRICTLY to the constitution a case of judicial activism???? And this guy gets paid with our tax money!! IMPEACH HIM!
GoCardinal2012 9 months ago
The usa has the best democratic constitution in the world. It is just a shame theocrats have de-facto abolished it. You do not follow it, and you are bullied by evangelicals. Welcome to New Teheran.
Kleenex2k8 9 months ago
@Kleenex2k8 "The usa has the best democratic constitution in the world"
Definitely! If you don't count Norway, Iceland, Denmark, Sweden, New Zealand, Australia, Finland, Switzerland,...
SachaGoed 9 months ago
@SachaGoed Well, I am from Norway. We do not have constitutional separation of church and state, on the contrary we have a state church. That is only one of many points I believe make the US constitution superior.
We do however have a culture which de-facto makes religion void in the public square. My point is that the American constitution has been thrown aside by powerfull religious nut-jobs. And Americans seem to accept this as status-quo, and even "the American way". Makes you want to cry
Kleenex2k8 9 months ago
@Kleenex2k8 Agreeing with you on your last point. I have to admit your first comment gave me the impression you're American. Though the constitution of the usa scores high regarding the separation of church & state (on paper), it has his flaws, then and now.
Interesting about Norway not having a constitutional separation. Since Norway scores very high on the democracy index it doesn't seem to hurt it. With the usa it's the complete opposite.
SachaGoed 9 months ago
@SachaGoed And I agree that the American constitution has its flaws, as does any other such document. It was however the first constitution that granted equal rights to all, religious freedom, etc in one comprehensive package. That it also includes the right to carry a fully automatic high powered rifle is another story.
We do score high on these tests despite our consitution, not because of it. Just as some religious people contribute to science, despite their religious beliefs ;)
Kleenex2k8 9 months ago
The usa has the best democratic constitution in the world. It is just a shame theocrats has
Kleenex2k8 9 months ago
hitch's facial expressions are great.
Clifton100 9 months ago
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I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general atheistic social perspectives
shieldsff 9 months ago
Wow.. No prizes for guessing who won that argument
messakg123 9 months ago
Why is this video being endorsed by moxnews? The host seemed idealy unbiased to me.
corr14 9 months ago
its written in the fuckin constituion!!!!! how much more obvious can this be
arcaniondeath666 9 months ago
Atheist are just jealous because they don't have a national day. Don't cry atheist, of course you have a national day. You have had one for years. The Bible says in Psalm 14:1~3: The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God.'
Happy April Fools Day atheist.
miket1m 9 months ago
It's funny that this guy poo-poos the fact that the Madison writings were discovered 100 hundred years after his death, BUT our religon is based on writings hundred of years after the what we feel are facts.
Whisper2771 9 months ago
"You can be proud of this great tradition of intolerance." - hahaha I love you Hitch
cmoyer91 9 months ago 37
@cmoyer91 ONE NATION UNDER GOD? I WONDER WHERE YOU GO WHEN YOU DIE IN SIN GUESS TO HELL
maxismax100 5 months ago
@maxismax100 That doesn't scare people who don't believe in hell.
Why would you choose to believe that people that disagree with you are going to be tortured for all eternity?
soildmoose 5 months ago
@soildmoose IS BETTER TO BE AFRAID OF GOD THEN NOT BEING AFRAID LOOK WHAT HAPPEN TO SATAN LOOK WHERE HE'S AT NOW IN HELL THOES THAT TRY TO GO AGASINT GOD WILL BE DESTROY THE WRATH OF GOD IS TERRIBLE THIS MAN HITCHES IS NOTHING MORE THEN A FOOL WHO THINKS HE KNOWS GOD BUT DOES NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT GOD THE ONLY THING HE KNOWS IS WHAT HE SEES WITH HIS EYES AND HIS MIND THAT'S ALL HE KNOWS THAT'S HIS WISDOM WHAT A UNIVERSAL JOKE AND YOU GLORIFIED THIS MAN HA HA HE IS A FOOL A CLOWN
maxismax100 4 months ago
@soildmoose IS BETTER TO BE AFRAID OF GOD THEN NOT BEING AFRAID LOOK WHAT HAPPEN TO SATAN LOOK WHERE HE'S AT NOW IN HELL THOES THAT TRY TO GO AGAINST GOD WILL BE DESTROY THE WRATH OF GOD IS TERRIBLE THIS MAN HITCHES IS NOTHING MORE THEN A FOOL WHO THINKS HE KNOWS GOD BUT DOES NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT GOD THE ONLY THING HE KNOWS IS WHAT HE SEES WITH HIS EYES AND HIS MIND THAT'S ALL HE KNOWS THAT'S HIS WISDOM WHAT A UNIVERSAL JOKE AND YOU GLORIFIED THIS MAN HA HA HE IS A FOOL A CLOWN
maxismax100 4 months ago
@maxismax100 Your caps lock is on.
soildmoose 4 months ago
@soildmoose MY MY SCARE OF BIG WORDS ?
maxismax100 4 months ago
@maxismax100 nope, just bible bashers, they freak me out...
Ansett76 1 month ago
@maxismax100 nope, Disneyland or Dollywood...
Ansett76 1 month ago
Perkins says this unifies in a secular way. How? It divides any non-believer from believer. This is obvious by the responses here. I see division, not unity. Tradition should be questioned. Traditions can be flawed. Perkins and his kind use the argument of 'tradition' as if tradition was always a good thing. How long was the 'tradition' of animal sacrifices practiced in the bible? Jesus put an end to that tradition. Maybe Perkins should take a lesson from his god/man.
freethinkerer 10 months ago
Mr. Perkins is falling into the fallacy of "argument from authority." Millions of people can agree with you and still be wrong.
backwoodsninja 10 months ago 3
"no one is being compelled to pray"
and no one would be compelled to not pray if the NDP was dropped.
get rid of endorsements of any religion. simple as that.
I don't say that because the 1st Amendment says that. It's just a good idea if you are opposed to any sort of theocracy.
georgek19 10 months ago 37
@georgek19 Indeed, if you want to live in a theocracy go live in Israel or Iran
zapkvr 8 months ago
1775: 1st day of prayer declared when the Continental Congress "designated a time for prayer in forming a new nation.
1795: George Washington proclaimed a day of public thanksgiving and prayer.
1863: Abraham Lincoln signed a Congressional resolution which called for a day of fasting and prayer.
1952: A bill proclaiming an annual National Day of Prayer was unanimously passed by both houses of congress.
2011-April The FFRP's challenge to NPD was unanimously dismissed by a U.S. appellate court.
Acecool444 10 months ago
@SpinyNorman416 "Roe v. Wade is upheld by the supreme court so,"
Roe vs Wade nor Abortion has anything to do with the constitution. And the 7th District Court ruled against Crabbs decision on grounds that National Prayer Day cannot be stricken down upon perceived "hurt feelings" and does not cause bodily injury, nor forced upon anyone. Not implying it hurt your feelings ;)
I also appreciate your comments, and may I say, I also wish you well.
Acecool444 10 months ago
@SpinyNorman416 The first definition ever written about the true meaning of Religion, I point you to James 1:27 of the New Testament. In all, Helping those less fortunate than yourselves who could not by themselves live without much hardship without help from others and to keep yourself from the foolish reasoning of of man without God. So, if you ever helped someone in need, you are in part acting in a religious fashion, but not necessarily an establishment of man made organized religion.
Acecool444 10 months ago
@SpinyNorman416 Unless the Supreme Court makes a decision to overturn the 7th District Courts ruling, it is what it is. Till then, I suggest you don't grovel over this and get on with your life. There are more important things, like standing up against abortion, fraud within our Government, Wall Street, Offshore Oligarchical Bankers lobbying against the constitution and our liberties, War in the middle east, Global Warming etc, but National Prayer Day? and "hurt feelings"? Talk about senseless!
Acecool444 10 months ago
@SpinyNorman416 "Prayer is a religious institution, plain and simple."
The clause in the 1st Amendment strictly points out "ESTABLISHMENT" of religion. Regardless of how many times you neglect that fact, will not change it. I strongly urge you to look up the definition. No RELIGION has been established other than the ability to pray to what ever religion you so chose to worship. The context of the 1st Amendment implies not choosing one religion over another. Meaning! NO Jewish Prayer Day, etc,.
Acecool444 10 months ago
@SpinyNorman416 Feel free to continue arguing over opinions or interpretations of the constitution. I've already stated the facts and but will not stand idle while a few atheists continue to destroy the foundation of our constitutional rights. If you're going to fight anything, Christmas IS an establishment of religion, so why has that been accepted as a National Holiday? Personally speaking, Jesus wasn't born on Dec 25th and is a commercialized "for profit" holiday if you ask me.
Acecool444 10 months ago
@SpinyNorman416 "it says that it can make no law establishing religion."
Incorrect < It clearly states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"
And it's clear to me, No Established Religion is has been indoctrinated into "National Prayer Day".
Acecool444 10 months ago
@SpinyNorman416 "There is no nonreligious use for prayer." "National Day of Communion" or a "National Day for Glorifying God"
Once again, over exaggeration and twisting things around. It's not "Communion" nor "Glorifying God Day". Like I said before, if you wish to pray to Satan or the Fairy God Mother, that's your choice.
Acecool444 10 months ago
@SpinyNorman416 "If I follow you line of argument correctly, since Christians are the most numerous religious group, why shouldn't there be a day of christian prayer? "
Because, to imply "Christian" would break the 1st Amendment ruling that states Congress shall make no law respecting an "Establishment of Religion". Christianity would be classified as an established religion.
Acecool444 10 months ago
@SpinyNorman416 "The number of people that support an issue does not matter if the issue is unconstitutional."
The 1st Amendment states that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
NO RESPECT OF ESTABLISHMENT of Religion has been implied in "NPD".
Acecool444 10 months ago
@SpinyNorman416 "Atheists are a group that report at 2.5% of the population of the world with 12.7% identifying as non religious."
and I pray that it stays that way, or at the very best, decreases. As an American Citizen who believes in the constitution, I also believe that it's "WE THE PEOPLE" as the majority who rule this nation. Not a few who have differences of opinion.
Acecool444 10 months ago
Here you have Hitchen's, a British Born citizenship, who has no problem with Satanic influence of "Halloween" as a holiday, yet displays his busy body ignorance fighting against the "Hurt Feelings" of Atheists being "Excluded" that truly hurts no one. Time to grow a set Hitchen's, and show some balls.
The 7th District Court overruled Crabb's decision, while Hitchen's just proved what a ranting fool he can be.
Acecool444 10 months ago
@SpinyNorman416 "Second point, the "free to leave" argument is a foolish one."
My "Suggestion" saying "Free To Leave", was "Never" an argument! Once again, your being argumentative and twisting things around (as most atheist's are known to do), is once again, wrong! If you don't like the rules, nobody is forcing you to stay here. The only thing you've said so far that was fact, other than opinion, is that I was wrong in saying America was founded upon the motto"IN GOD WE TRUST".
Acecool444 10 months ago
@SpinyNorman416 If your continued attempt at discussing the irony in my previous statement still eludes you, then it's also quite evident anything and everything can be twisted around by convoluted thought and reasoning. If you don't see the irony in a devout atheist relying on a Christian Scientist/Doctor (friend or foe), all the power to you. But to strike up an argument over opinion is ridiculous. I see the sky as blue, you see it as green (color blind), it's futile to go on with it.
Acecool444 10 months ago
@SpinyNorman416 As I said before, "Isn't it the Atheists who always claim we Christians are delusional?"
That said, The irony is, Hitchens claims that anyone who believes in God is delusional, so the irony is......
That if we are so delusional, why allow a "DELUSIONAL" Christian Doctor to treat him? Because their friends? And why be friends with someone who is DELUSIONAL? The irony is, We see proof here, that Christians aren't as "DELUSIONAL" as you atheists try to make us out to be.
Acecool444 10 months ago
@SpinyNorman416 You have a right to believe what ever you want, but you still fail to see that regardless of Hitchens befriending Collins, He is still being treated by an Evangelical Christian Doctor.
Acecool444 10 months ago
@Acecool444 There is nothing ironic about it. Dr. Collins is an excellent physician, regardless his religious beliefs. Hitchens statements are concerning religion and religion only. That religious people are delusional in their religious beliefs does not imply that they are delusional in any other aspects of their understanding of reality (even though religion would make up a major part of that understanding). I can be atheist and delusional or ignorant in other aspects of how I view the world.
Kleenex2k8 8 months ago
@Kleenex2k8 Sorry, not to evade your last comment, but honestly, I have a problem debating someone who chooses to use the nic "Kleenex". I've already stated my feelings in this matter of irony, so I end it here.
Acecool444 8 months ago
Fact is, British born C. Hitchens distorts the U.S.Cconstitution, as National Prayer Day is "NOT" an "Establishment of Religion" ( or any religion for that matter) and the "Freedom From Religion Foundation" lost the their challenge! ("a feeling of alienation cannot suffice as injury.").National Prayer Day hurts nobody (other than busy body's who can't see America as having more important problems needing to be dealt with), and "National Prayer Day" still continues this very day. End of story!
Acecool444 8 months ago
@SpinyNorman416 I look forward to your support of Muslim, Hindu and Jewish prayer days, as well as any other group who wishes for it.
It's not Christian Prayer Day or any other established form of religion, it's "NATIONAL PRAYER DAY", All religion's are including Satanism should you choose. Don't appreciate a country founded on "IN GOD WE TRUST"? then you're free to leave.
Acecool444 10 months ago
@SpinyNorman416 Fallwell died of old age from gluttony. Yes, it all catches up to you if you don't take care of yourself, even those who claim they walk with God.
You can't see the irony because you're biased and ignorant is all. Isn't it the Atheists who always claim we Christians are delusional? The irony was Hitchen's choosing an Evangelical Christian as his doctor, not making fun of his cancer. Making fun of/Black Heart vs Fat Ass Falwell Dying? You're nothing but a hypocrite.
Acecool444 10 months ago
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alexdeltoro4 10 months ago
smug ignorant smile, makes me sick just looking at him. Freedumb...
crockoduckevolved 10 months ago
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Idahoprospector 10 months ago