One is right he was a man who followed the commands, why would god wanna become a human to save us, when he was the same god that save Moses and the children of Israel from out of Egypt. Can you imagine splitting the sea by Moses is there any miracle greater than that, is he also man god, no you will say he sin, how about john the Baptist he had never sin so he is god no, because he was born of two parents...excuses upon excuses Christians...be truthful
The Hindus have more intelligence that the Christians, because they believe everything is god, but the Christians would insist that god is able to do anything and that he became a man but a Christian would argue that god can't become a dog to teach the dogs how to be a good pet dog. Saying Jesus is both man and god is not less bizarre that saying a square-circle Christian wake up from slumbers
Dave shows that the Quran does not have one witness to support its contentions about Jesus. He points to the Quran's 100+ verses advocating violence. He later cites Will Durant's reference to the millions who were killed in Islam and contradicts Shabir's contention about Muhammed's violence. (that reminds me that Shabir's contradiction of Moh's poet hatred is poor) Dave contends that the Quran has no eyewitnesses & points to the problem of taking the word of the one man, Moh. Good job, Dave.
Whew, Shabir talks fast. Sounds like a deceiver. Good Muslim, just like the Al Makir Allah ad the wife lying/beating prophet. Dave criticizes Shabir's "Jesus of the Quran" pointing to eyewitness Biblical accounts. He appoints to the difference in disciples who die as martyrs and those who die as witnesses , showing that the disciples of Jesus were witnesses. They died testifying to Jesus' resurrection. No one is fool enough to die for something that he doesn't believe.
"What sense does it make to say that in order for God to forgive, He had to punish His innocent son"? This is the wrong question. The real question is "Why did God require the death of an innocent so that justice could be satisfied?" "This is God's will" would be the answer. Shabir contradicts known history regarding Yathrib and Mohammed's slaughter of its Jews. He says that the Jews didn't live there. Shabir conveniently dismisses Islamic texts when it suits him. .
This Dave, try to defend christianity such as Jesus's resurrection or the original sins, but at the same time he sure loves to insults and lies about islam, the prophet Muhammad and the muslim people too!
as a Christian, you believe that vegetation came before the sun. If you believe that the days were 1000 years, then the vegetation would've died, if you believe in 24 hour periods, how could those exist if that cycle was invented by man based on the Sun, which was created AFTER vegetation. Christians' rebuttle: Satan can do anything to mislead you so your proof is nothing.... nice reasoning...
take a look at the skeptics annotated bible..it has the Bible, Quran, and the book of Mormon..take a look you'd be surprised and probably laugh a lot, be applaud, and just shake your head..at what we are not taught or told about or even realize on your own.
the bible does contradict it self..so much that if people woke up n realized this fact, they would become confused, confusion does not come from God so it was not written or inspired by God. Now the Jesus that Paul teaches about in the NT, is the Gnostic Jesus. And the Jesus taught by the Gospels have been altered. The historical Jesus, is not neither. The OT tells us God is One, there is No One but Him who will save. STOP TWISTING THE OT TO FIT THE NT. so many contradictions even w/in the OT
Father said so many timeS he said that he said that and etc. and said what he was told is different... WHY IS HE HERE, IF HE DIDN'T EVEN READ THE QURAN... HE IS NOT TALKING ABOUT THE QURANT... ?????
All prophets of God were called Son of God even the Children of Israel were called Sons of God i.e Jesus the son(Servant) of God,Adam the Son(Servant) of the God,David Son(Servant) Of God! Son also means in Hebrew Servant and Jesus served God n Preached n worshiped the One God of Mankind aka Allah Elah,YHWH,EL,Shaddai,Adonai,HaShem! Not Jesus,God has No partners 1st Commandment "You shall have no OTHER gods(Trinity) But Me(God)"!!!God is One the Creator! He Is exalted of having Offspring's!Peace
Jesus (pbuh) said " For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven". Matthew 5:20 "The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself". Ezekiel 8:20
@kenteles When Jesus was crucified he died, but you forget... he was raised on the third day! If you don't believe it, that's your choice I guess. But Jesus calls on those to believe in him. And those who are called, are commanded to spread his word. Jesus loves you mate!
I told you how he died.. he was crucified. By unbelievers like yourself. It makes sense to a lot of people.. it just doesn't make sense to you. You have a right to your own opinion, however you telling me he isn't god is not going to change my mind. When you come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ It makes perfect sense mate.
@M131669 it just doesn't make sense God died. Then obviously he aint God. God is not like human or animal. God cant die. One of the reason why christians always lose in this kind of debate. Hope you understand.
Without conviction & the power of the holy spirit working in ur life it's hopeless 4 me 2 try & explain. Soften ur heart. Right now ur eyes r dry & ur heart is hard. Much prayer 2 the lord for discernment and understanding is needed. Seeking him with an open heart. 4 those who r chosen it's a lifelong commitment. I know enough 2 know that what he says is the truth. I'll keep my pearls for now .. and share them with those who are ready 2 receive him. God Bless
Jesus is God and God wanted to show you how much He loves and cares for you and that's why He died on the cross for everyone, not just for those who love Him but for those who hate Him as well. Why is it so difficult for people to believe that God loves and cares? Why do you put God in a box and think that God can't and won't do that? If you love your children, won't you try to do things to show your children how much you love them?
In christianity if god("jesus") is all powerful why would he have to be born a man, die a man, and be born again?FOR HUMANS SAKE, ALTHOUGH HE WAS THE ONE WHO MADE US.... Could someone please answer if you know the answer.
@rightlydivide so you believe in a god that felt hungry, had to take a number two when he ate, had to wipe himself with some leaves and got erections.... that is the god you believe in? actually you dont really believe in God. you believe in a pagan idea of "man-demi-god" shame.
@SuperL1on The Bible doesn't contridict itself, it is a perfect book. the quran is full of errors and issues and was not written by God, but by man. Jesus is Lord.
The only answer is it doesn't make sense. I hope you're a Muslim but if you are a Christian and came up with this understanding yourself, you're on the road right to Islam, alhumdu'Allah.
I used to be a Christian, but I never really believed anyways...Then came Islam, the most beautiful way of life....
@vision821821 alhamdulillah i am a muslim and that you saw the truth in lslam i just didnt know what christians thought of this and wanted to know.. salamualaikum
The only answer is it doesn't make sense. I hope you're a Muslim but if you are a Christian and came up with this understanding yourself, you're on the road right to Islam, alhumdu'Allah.
I used to be a Christian, but I never really believed anyways...Then came Islam, the most beautiful way of life....
@prouncingfist Jesus is indeed a man.. a man, a man!!! He never a god! How could God had to go long ways, so long long way to forgive mankind.. I can forgive a person who cheated my money.. and i need not sacrifice myself!! and no one need to be sacrificed!!! so in that sense i can teach Jesus how to forgive people in easy way or I can let my little son to teach him....
@prouncingfist The purpose of God taking a man's from as his son Jesus was to be a model of what all christians should strive to be like. In a way it is symbolic because God sent his son to be the ultimate sacrifice. The sybolism is God's love for man kind in sending his only son to die for our sins. To me this is the bases the structure of christianity and why I believe it is right.
@prouncingfist This is silly. You are doubting God's power to do as He pleases. Can God enter into His own creation? If not then your God is not all powerful. My God can enter into His own creation and He chose to enter into a man and die for the sins of His creation. God can certainly choose how He wants to save His people.
@godswordsheal by God , do you believe what are you saying ''God chose to enter into a man and die for the sins of His creation '' , he don't have to do that , AND HOW CAN GOD DIES
@ahmad941985 Sir, I completely believe in what I said. You say God didn't have to do that, and we agree. He did not have to but He chose to do that so that us humans could be saved from our sins. I know you will say "just ask for forgiveness" but that's not the whole story. If you ask for forgiveness but plan on sinning again, are you forgiven? If you ask for forgiveness but accidentally sin are you forgiven? In the Qur'an EVERYONE is put in hell anyway so then no one is really forgiven.
@ahmad941985 2.Let me clarify: I'm not saying that God died. I'm saying that God entered into creation, something you think He cannot do. Once He entered into creation He was fully human and fully God. When He died on the cross the only nature that died was Jesus' human nature (his flesh) but He still lived. When we die the same happens to us, our spirit lives but our bodies die.
@ahmad941985 Christian have been mis taught by their teachers and especially the vatican. Does this mean that this is the bible's fault? Or the vaticans fault?
@paramebolas my friend the bible have some of God's word and also the words of the prophets but it also full with historian words, let me give an example let's read form deutronomy 25:11-12 it says ( When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets,Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her). By God can this be God's word
@ahmad941985 If you think that your question is a good argument then I want to ask. Where in the New Testament does Jesus say in His words "I AM NOT GOD" or "DON'T WORSHIP ME"? Where does He even say that in the Qur'an? Where does Muhammad say in His words in the Qur'an "I am the last prophet"? Or will you agree that someone does not have to say certain words for people to understand the message?
@MrRookie2 What you say is true, so I'm only expecting the same thing from Muslims that they expect from me. There are plenty verses in the Qur'an when it says "O prophet say" or something like that, why does Allah never tell Muhammad to say "I am the last prophet". Seal does not mean last explicitly, just as "God's Son" does not mean God explicitly. Seal could just mean that Muhammad is a lens through which you look at the prophets, maybe all his sin shows that the REAL prophets were just that.
@prouncingfist, Why do you people ask the same questions over and over again. I bet if you scroll down you'll find that answer written somewhere in this page. If you don't, TRY GOOGLE.
I think you already know the answer. You are using your intellect. Prophet Jesus (as) was not a god-man, dying god, or whatever. He was a blessed prophet and thats what Muslims have said from the begining.
I made this point many times. God is All-Mighty, All-Powerful. Created concepts do not apply to Him and he is not BOUND by them. He doesnt NEED to resort to DIE and SUFFER (whats the point) when He is All-Powerful and can forgive in an instant. It is utterly ludricous. It implies that God sees all this sinning, then panics and then says "Oh no i should send my son (oh wait myself...or is it my son..whatever), and die to save them." Allah is beyond what they say.
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega,the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is,and which was,and which is to come, the Almighty.
18 I am he that liveth,and was dead,and behold,I am alive for evermore, Amen,and have the keys of hell and of death.
Revelation 2:18And unto the angel of the church of Thyatira,write:These things saith the SON OF GOD, "Jesus refers to himself here as,THE ALMIGHTY,THE SON OF GOD, AND WAS DEAD AND IS ALIVE FOR EVERMORE, confirms the crucifixion,resurrection
A Saudi man that accepted Jesus as his Savior on Al Hayat TV, said that he does not accept the fleshly , lustful lifestyle in Paradise according to the Quran, but believes in the holy lifestyle in Paradise that the Christians believe.
Do you accept a Holy Allah,that will entertain fleshly lustful orgies in heaven?
@ljkuipo Great comment. It is interesting to see that the things that condemn you on earth are the same things that are allowed in heaven. No drinking on earth but rivers of wine in the afterlife....strange huh?
Christians and Muslims disagree on the nature of God, salvation, prophets, the true Scriptures, etc. For the great majority of us on both sides, we will not change our views. You believe in Allah and Muhammad as his prophet. I am a Christian, saved by the grace of my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
God loves you so much he sent his SON (part of himself) to die for your sins
@ljkuipo Stop listening to the Devil, Listen to the God Word, where he says i created Adam, and eve from No Mother, and No Father, don't you think i can't created Jesus just from no Father? So use your brane that god Give it o you mister Ljkuipo..
He send Jesus as Prophet to call people at right path just like all other prophets, we love Jesus and we love all other prophets, Y would son of God have to die for me and you so they can bring us to the Haven, it MAKES NO SENCE
A Saudi man that accepted Jesus as his Savior on Al Hayat TV, said that he does not accept the fleshly , lustful lifestyle in Paradise according to the Quran, but believes in the holy lifestyle in Paradise that the Christians believe.
Do you accept a Holy Allah, that will entertain fleshly lustful orgies in heaven?
You have to call Him Lord, or Liar, because He stated that He was God in the flesh. You can't say he is just a Prophet. Can a Prophet lie? Well, you are going to have to say that Jesus lied when He talks about being God in the flesh arent you?
@rightlydivide no. he is neither liar nor lord. he never said "I am God" so if you say he did, YOU are calling him a liar. he was a prophet and never said he is god. god is not a man to eat, pee, take a crap.... jesus ate, and had to go to the bathroom. sorry mate, god doesnt take shit.
@ULQININYC This is silly. You are doubting God's power to do as He pleases. Can God enter into His own creation? If not then your God is not all powerful. My God can enter into His own creation and He chose to enter into a man and die for the sins of His creation. God can certainly choose how He wants to save His people.
@Pistolero24 Shabir is a liar, I caught him in one debate saying that the first martyr Stephen was killed for Moses, and not for Jesus, read Acts 7:52-54 and see that the Jews were cut to the heart, after Stephen told the Jews that they murdered Jesus, and they stoned him to death after that. Shabir knows the Bible better than Christians do, but on Judgment Day he will be very guilty, as he lied about Jesus death and corrupted God's word, I feel sorry for him.
What ever i learned all my life i learn that all the prophets were trying to call people to believe only 1 God, now where we come from Jesus was a God?
We are disrespecting our creator (Allah) who calls people on all his Books to believe only in one God even in Bible he does not say worship Jesus so why Christians are worshiping Jesus can any one please explain to me?
@ULQININYC As fully man, Jesus submitted to the Father, and how beautiful a relationship they have, the Son giving all glory to the Father. And in John 17:5 And now, Oh Father, glorify me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee BEFORE THE WORLD WAS. Get out your knife now, and start cutting up the word of God, just to heap more pain on yourself.
1. How can Bible say Jesus Died? I Thought Bible was a clean Book of God if it does then who was the person who resived those verses after Jesus death was if Poul, Luke, Mark actually this people din't even knew Jesus, they lived 40 years after Jesus christ.
1.Where does Jesus say: I AM GOD WORSHIP ME ?
I Believe there is no God But Allah, and Muhammad a,s and Jesus, Musa, Ibrahim, Ismail, Ishak, David and others were messengers Allah and who they eat, drink, sleep just like us.
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega,the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is,and which was,and which is to come, the Almighty.
18 I am he that liveth,and was dead,and behold,I am alive for evermore, Amen,and have the keys of hell and of death.
Revelation 2:18And unto the angel of the church of Thyatira,write:These things saith the SON OF GOD, "Jesus refers to himself here as,THE ALMIGHTY,THE SON OF GOD, AND WAS DEAD AND IS ALIVE FOR EVERMORE. confirms the crucifixion,resurrection
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega,the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is,and which was,and which is to come, the Almighty.
18 I am he that liveth,and was dead,and behold,I am alive for evermore, Amen,and have the keys of hell and of death.
Revelation 2:18And unto the angel of the church of Thyatira,write:These things saith the SON OF GOD, "Jesus refers to himself here as,THE ALMIGHTY,THE SON OF GOD, AND WAS DEAD AND IS ALIVE FOR EVERMORE, Do you see JESUS now?
This is Jesus speaking about himself. He is attributing these titles to himself. He and God have the same titles and attributes. If you believe that there is one God and only one to be worshipped and glorified when Jesus talks about the glory THEY SHARED what is he saying? He is saying that he and God are one!!! Mayt the peace of Christ be with you
This is Jesus speaking about himself. He is attributing these titles to himself. He and God have the same titles and attributes. If you believe that there is one God and only one to be worshipped and glorified when Jesus talks about the glory THEY SHARED what is he saying? He is saying that he and God are one!!! Mayt the peace of Christ be with you
@ULQININYC Jesus said that he would be killed and be raised the 3rd day. Jesus came to die for our sins, that is the main reason that he came. Jesus also said Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away but my words shall not pass away.
This verse proves that Jesus' words will stand forever, to allege that Jesus words are not exactly the same as they were originally is to call Jesus a liar, as he said his words shall not pass away.
Reed, Bible, Qur'an, old Testament then you well get the Whole picture you can NOT just reed Bible, have to reed and understand all.. Again Use your Brane and follow stop Following the Devil, because it will bring you no where, Hell fire it's the end if you don't believe Qur'an with OUT REEDING IT, and Prophet Muhammad Alejhi Selam.
Why are you brushing aside the truth. Are you saying that God was stupid for ordering Moses to sacrifice blood sacrifices, animals, for the atonement of sin? The Jews did blood sacrifice for over 1,000 years, ask any Jew. Isn't it peculiar that they stopped the sacrifice after the crucifixion of Jesus? Because the blood of animals and goats can't really take away sin, they were a pattern of things to come, the real sacrifice, Jesus.
@mahender6969 I caught Shabir in all kinds of lies, Dave was right that islam and Jesus agree on nothing, he sounds like a boring speaker, that's why it takes a lot of effort to give him your attention, but he is speaking the truth. Shabir speaks very well, and is deceiving everybody in the room, he knows the Bible very well, yet denies Jesus mission, he's bound for hell unless he repents.
Acts 6:13 And set up false witnesses against him "( Stephan ), that he talked bad about Moses. Stephan tells the Jews about their history and when he comes to Jesus he says in: Acts 7:52 which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted and slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One ( Jesus ), of whom you have betrayed and murdered.
Acts 7:54 when they heard this they were cut to the heart, ( then they killed Stephan.)
@ULQININYC You are a liar, Isaiah 9: 6 doesn't say rabbi, teacher. Isaiah 9;6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.
9;7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the the throne of David "
Just to elaborate on Shabir's lie about Stephan. Shabir claimed that the 1st Martyr Stephan wasn't stoned for Jesus, justifying his false position on Jesus, but for bad mouthing Moses, as you can see in Acts, read both chapters 6 and 7 so that you can see what cut the Jews to the heart, and made them stone Stephan. It was when Stephan accused the Jews of murdering Jesus. Shabir gets away with all his lies, because muslims nor most Christians know the scriptures well enough to challenge him.
On this day, I would agree with you. However, I personally am not concerned with who is a better speaker, but who is speaking the Word of God. I would rather listen to a 5 year old reading out of the Bible, then a professional speaker reading literature that was written in hell.
@rightlydivide Allah guides whom he wills and none can misguide them. Those that Allah misguides non can guide them. Its all up to Allah when it comes to guidance. And Allah says All souls shall taste death. Listen to whom ever you want but the truth stands clear from falsehood.
@LVCIVSTVLLIVSATELLVS Shabir Ally would appear to be a better speaker due to his 'energy' as he himself pointed out earlier. Mr. Ally was also humble enough to inform the audience that Dave Hunt had been debating the prevous day. I would assume that Mr. Hunt was very exausted by the time he entered into this debate with Ally, yet, he continued to present his arguments as best he could.
Yes, but the compilation and manner in which they were collected is not 100% fail proof, unlike the Quran. Which is why hadiths are classed as weak, medium and strong. Bukhari compiled his colection some 200 years after the Prophet saw died. There were 1000000s of so-caledd hadiths flying round many were fabricated by people to suit their own objectives. Imam Bukhari had ti sift through them, and then travel throughout the Muslim world to meet people who heard from 1 who hear from b etc
And although Imam Bukhari did a very good job to go through millions of hadiths and remove the fakes ones, you can understand that his system was far from 100%. Yes we need Hadiths to answer how to pray, how to fast etc, but there are many other hadiths that cause disunity and arguments amongst Muslims, and these things are only opinions etc. Best bet is to unite on what we know the Shahada,5 pillars, quran and not let petty unprovable opinions divide us
Hadiths are classed as weak, medium and strong!!! This was classed by the person who researched and compiled them 200 years after the prophet Muhammads death, by saying they were either weak, medium or strong even he was accepting that there was no absolute certainty, but some narration's had more credibility than others, and some came from such credible sources and were reported originated from several of the prophet's companions that they were almost certainly authentic.
Lol, do u not understand what I have been saying? Be honest how much do you know? His names is Bukhari, the Sahih means OK or reliable. The explanation I gave about being compiled 200 years after the prophets death and being classed as weak, medium or strong was about Imam Bukhari's compilation. If he, the guy who researched and compiled them said some were weak then what does that tell u? Why people also say it has been 'said' when quoting hadiths. Only the Quran us 100% n 3 from change
Again, Bukhari has a compilation of hadiths, so you can not speak of it as if it is just one thing. I trust the Quran, and everything said by the Prophet saw, I trust what his companions narrated he said. But, as you can not seem to comprehend, Bukhari is not like the Quran where you either believe all or none. Also, the hadiths of Bukhari were only written down into a book 500 years after he died, so think that book came about 700 years after the Prophets death!!!
You see though, the contradiction arises when Shabir says that they need to read the context of the quranic revelations (the hadiths) instead of just taking it for what it is. But then he goes another way and says hadiths and narrarations cannot be trusted. This is the contradiction we face here. It becomes a game of picking and choosing. And Bukhari was born 200 years after Muhammad.
I know Bukhari was born 200 years after the Prophet died, I have stated this a few times, but the actual compilation was written down as one book 500 years later.
"This is how I would interpret that." I'm sorry My. Aly, but are you saying you are right and your Hadith narrorators are wrong? If you listen to Mr. Aly, he makes his OWN interpretations and his OWN claims.
im not sure which narrations they were about. im guessing the ones about bani qaynuqa, who broke their treaty with the muslims and joined the other side. and their leader gave them their own verdict from the torah! so yea the men were put to death, whats so strange about that? they broke their pact and joined the pagan arabs who were killing the muslims. and on top of that their leader gave them the verdict of their punishment. so yea i believe thats an accurate narration
Hense, Surah 9:29: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing SUBMISSION, and feel themselves SUBDUED.
What a crock of shit mamawhateva how do you know who's a christian OR a muslim for that matter simply by looking at their faces and to think you can brand someone either christian or muslim because they did or didn't clap either person shows how stupid you must think people are.Think before you write fool.
i do agree with you, me too i can distinguish between a muslim and a non muslim from looking at their faces as i work in a multinational countries, for exemple the indians, even if they belong to the same country and from the same town as well, but the mulim faces there s a special light, but the non muslim they r typically diffrent, and i do swear, even before asking him about his religion i knew if he is a muslim or not before asking
Surah 6:50: Say, "I do not say to you that I possess the treasures of GOD. Nor do I know the future. Nor do I say to you that I am an angel. I simply follow what is revealed to me." Say, "Is the blind the same as the seer? Do you not reflect?" 29:27:We granted him Isaac and Jacob, we assigned to his descendants prophethood and the scriptures,
MOHAMED IS NOT FROM THE SEED OF ISAAC OR JACOB AND SO CANNOT BE A PROPHET!!
Numbers 23:19 God is NOT a man because man is a liar, NOR a son of man because son of man changes his mind.
Can't you see that plain English blind Christians? How can you ignore that verse? God is not a man, period. That's enough to prove that Trinity is a myth.
@jamool2009 No God is not a man but he did take on the form of a man but was also fully God to live as a perfect example for us and be made a sacrifice.
On the day of Badr, Allah's Apostle said to us, "When the enemy comes near to you, shoot at them but use your arrows sparingly (so that your arrows should not be wasted)."
One is right he was a man who followed the commands, why would god wanna become a human to save us, when he was the same god that save Moses and the children of Israel from out of Egypt. Can you imagine splitting the sea by Moses is there any miracle greater than that, is he also man god, no you will say he sin, how about john the Baptist he had never sin so he is god no, because he was born of two parents...excuses upon excuses Christians...be truthful
abulhaz 1 month ago
The Hindus have more intelligence that the Christians, because they believe everything is god, but the Christians would insist that god is able to do anything and that he became a man but a Christian would argue that god can't become a dog to teach the dogs how to be a good pet dog. Saying Jesus is both man and god is not less bizarre that saying a square-circle Christian wake up from slumbers
abulhaz 1 month ago
Shabir should be a car salesman. He talks so fast you barely have time to think. Typical.
jhall38 3 months ago
Dave shows that the Quran does not have one witness to support its contentions about Jesus. He points to the Quran's 100+ verses advocating violence. He later cites Will Durant's reference to the millions who were killed in Islam and contradicts Shabir's contention about Muhammed's violence. (that reminds me that Shabir's contradiction of Moh's poet hatred is poor) Dave contends that the Quran has no eyewitnesses & points to the problem of taking the word of the one man, Moh. Good job, Dave.
jhall38 3 months ago
Whew, Shabir talks fast. Sounds like a deceiver. Good Muslim, just like the Al Makir Allah ad the wife lying/beating prophet. Dave criticizes Shabir's "Jesus of the Quran" pointing to eyewitness Biblical accounts. He appoints to the difference in disciples who die as martyrs and those who die as witnesses , showing that the disciples of Jesus were witnesses. They died testifying to Jesus' resurrection. No one is fool enough to die for something that he doesn't believe.
jhall38 3 months ago
"What sense does it make to say that in order for God to forgive, He had to punish His innocent son"? This is the wrong question. The real question is "Why did God require the death of an innocent so that justice could be satisfied?" "This is God's will" would be the answer. Shabir contradicts known history regarding Yathrib and Mohammed's slaughter of its Jews. He says that the Jews didn't live there. Shabir conveniently dismisses Islamic texts when it suits him. .
jhall38 3 months ago
Two conditions one the bible says Jesus is god, another is he is the son of man...
abulhaz 5 months ago
@abulhaz because BOTH are true.
rightlydivide 3 months ago
@rightlydivide BOTH ARE FALSE CLOWN
lilbigbrow 1 month ago
@rightlydivide lol jesus is a prophet and he is not gods son god has no partner.
in the future your bible will say god has 4 sons eventually .
afrikanballa 1 month ago
@rightlydivide Yes I have a bottle that is completed full and is also completely empty. Both are true. *sarcasm intended*
ItsTotallyAwsome 1 month ago
@abulhaz no they say jesus is god and at the same time he is son and a holy ghost if u have brains u would knw thats crap
lilbigbrow 1 month ago
This Dave, try to defend christianity such as Jesus's resurrection or the original sins, but at the same time he sure loves to insults and lies about islam, the prophet Muhammad and the muslim people too!
juujuubie 6 months ago
as a Christian, you believe that vegetation came before the sun. If you believe that the days were 1000 years, then the vegetation would've died, if you believe in 24 hour periods, how could those exist if that cycle was invented by man based on the Sun, which was created AFTER vegetation. Christians' rebuttle: Satan can do anything to mislead you so your proof is nothing.... nice reasoning...
Zeegoner 7 months ago
@Zeegoner who says that I believe that 1000 year = a day??? not me.
rightlydivide 7 months ago
at 4:26 you can see the woman saying "he is so right" and i agree, shabir is right. this dave guy is just ranting about in hate
euro106 7 months ago
Jesus is the son of God!!! "Without the shading of blood there is no remission of sin"
MrFall2006 9 months ago
take a look at the skeptics annotated bible..it has the Bible, Quran, and the book of Mormon..take a look you'd be surprised and probably laugh a lot, be applaud, and just shake your head..at what we are not taught or told about or even realize on your own.
rayoflight5873 9 months ago
the bible does contradict it self..so much that if people woke up n realized this fact, they would become confused, confusion does not come from God so it was not written or inspired by God. Now the Jesus that Paul teaches about in the NT, is the Gnostic Jesus. And the Jesus taught by the Gospels have been altered. The historical Jesus, is not neither. The OT tells us God is One, there is No One but Him who will save. STOP TWISTING THE OT TO FIT THE NT. so many contradictions even w/in the OT
rayoflight5873 9 months ago 6
@rayoflight5873 really? show me a contradiction in Bible...give me two verses
rightlydivide 9 months ago
@rightlydivide
Woah, theres so many, i would run out of space on this post.
daneshjoo2011 9 months ago
@daneshjoo2011 allll I need is two....you cant give me 2, then I win.
rightlydivide 3 months ago
@rightlydivide sure /watch?v=ZldOWaSubfY
loiofnature 7 months ago
@TheKap1an I'm ok with that. That wasn't the point.
godswordsheal 11 months ago
Father said so many timeS he said that he said that and etc. and said what he was told is different... WHY IS HE HERE, IF HE DIDN'T EVEN READ THE QURAN... HE IS NOT TALKING ABOUT THE QURANT... ?????
GetAnswersNow 1 year ago
father said, he walked on wather, lol, he's been watching to many movies... LOL
GetAnswersNow 1 year ago
All prophets of God were called Son of God even the Children of Israel were called Sons of God i.e Jesus the son(Servant) of God,Adam the Son(Servant) of the God,David Son(Servant) Of God! Son also means in Hebrew Servant and Jesus served God n Preached n worshiped the One God of Mankind aka Allah Elah,YHWH,EL,Shaddai,Adonai,HaShem! Not Jesus,God has No partners 1st Commandment "You shall have no OTHER gods(Trinity) But Me(God)"!!!God is One the Creator! He Is exalted of having Offspring's!Peace
moeazysgc 1 year ago
Jesus (pbuh) said " For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven". Matthew 5:20 "The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself". Ezekiel 8:20
ByChoiceMuslim 1 year ago
@jaga454 He wouldn't be fair if he didn't judge sin.
tgamerlegend 1 year ago
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Don't listen to all this b-s about the christian bible and a man made God. Watch the videos of Dr Bart Ehrman Misquoting Jesus and learn some FACTS.
Christians be careful next time you'll turn fatherXmas into God.
4islam3 1 year ago
Ahh man no way!! Allah is a false god!! You believe in him, you going down!! Wake up people!!
M131669 1 year ago
@M131669 A false god is if a god which also is a man and the god died. thats crap.
kenteles 1 year ago
@kenteles When Jesus was crucified he died, but you forget... he was raised on the third day! If you don't believe it, that's your choice I guess. But Jesus calls on those to believe in him. And those who are called, are commanded to spread his word. Jesus loves you mate!
M131669 1 year ago
@M131669 how can god died? of course i wont believe something that doesn't make sense. Jesus love you too mate! but he aint god mate!
kenteles 1 year ago
@kenteles
I told you how he died.. he was crucified. By unbelievers like yourself. It makes sense to a lot of people.. it just doesn't make sense to you. You have a right to your own opinion, however you telling me he isn't god is not going to change my mind. When you come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ It makes perfect sense mate.
M131669 1 year ago
@M131669 it just doesn't make sense God died. Then obviously he aint God. God is not like human or animal. God cant die. One of the reason why christians always lose in this kind of debate. Hope you understand.
kenteles 1 year ago
@kenteles
Without conviction & the power of the holy spirit working in ur life it's hopeless 4 me 2 try & explain. Soften ur heart. Right now ur eyes r dry & ur heart is hard. Much prayer 2 the lord for discernment and understanding is needed. Seeking him with an open heart. 4 those who r chosen it's a lifelong commitment. I know enough 2 know that what he says is the truth. I'll keep my pearls for now .. and share them with those who are ready 2 receive him. God Bless
M131669 1 year ago
@M131669 haha its you who need soften ur heart. Please listen carefully to shabir ally in this debate and you will find truth. God is one.
kenteles 1 year ago
@kenteles I have listened very carefully. I'll pray for you and shabir, and for a softened heart. God Bless
M131669 1 year ago
awww shit dave hunt almost died on his way to the podium! lol
Propaine187 1 year ago
bind the captives and either bind them for ransom or let them go free? er.. i choose free.
seenonmars 1 year ago
8:32 the guy must be dead bored.. hahaha
june4688 1 year ago
Jesus is God and God wanted to show you how much He loves and cares for you and that's why He died on the cross for everyone, not just for those who love Him but for those who hate Him as well. Why is it so difficult for people to believe that God loves and cares? Why do you put God in a box and think that God can't and won't do that? If you love your children, won't you try to do things to show your children how much you love them?
contrarian100 1 year ago
the satanic koranic lied thru his teeth. not every historian says Jehovah and allah are the same
filoIII 1 year ago
In christianity if god("jesus") is all powerful why would he have to be born a man, die a man, and be born again?FOR HUMANS SAKE, ALTHOUGH HE WAS THE ONE WHO MADE US.... Could someone please answer if you know the answer.
prouncingfist 1 year ago 22
@prouncingfist Because Jesus put aside some of powers when he came to earth as a man; several scriptures point that out.
rightlydivide 1 year ago
@rightlydivide so you believe in a god that felt hungry, had to take a number two when he ate, had to wipe himself with some leaves and got erections.... that is the god you believe in? actually you dont really believe in God. you believe in a pagan idea of "man-demi-god" shame.
amooballer 1 year ago
@rightlydivide haha sounds funny when you said that jesus put aside some of his powers when he came to earth..
kenteles 1 year ago 4
@kenteles then you would be laughing at God, because that what God said He did in the Bible. Jesus Christ is Lord
rightlydivide 1 year ago
@rightlydivide So, just because that says the Bible, you believe it blindly???
MrRookie2 1 year ago
@MrRookie2 not blindly, there is proof that the bible is the only real Word of God. Read it sometime. Jesus is Lord
rightlydivide 1 year ago
@rightlydivide i cant follow i book that condtradicts itself no thanku the quran however it dosnt contradict it self
SuperL1on 1 year ago
@SuperL1on The Bible doesn't contridict itself, it is a perfect book. the quran is full of errors and issues and was not written by God, but by man. Jesus is Lord.
rightlydivide 1 year ago
@rightlydivide do you even know what your talking about? The bible contradicts itself in many places. The Quran doesn't contradict itself even once.
illidin25 10 months ago
@SuperL1on The Quran is a joke
jspankin 1 year ago
@kenteles - so you believe that God created all that we have and you find it difficult can become man to redeem us back to him,
but allah has 3 daughters, according to quran
topfifth99 1 year ago
To show humility and love.
No greater love is that, than to lay down your life for your friends.
Shalom
Thechristiancullen 1 year ago
@prouncingfist
The only answer is it doesn't make sense. I hope you're a Muslim but if you are a Christian and came up with this understanding yourself, you're on the road right to Islam, alhumdu'Allah.
I used to be a Christian, but I never really believed anyways...Then came Islam, the most beautiful way of life....
vision821821 1 year ago
@vision821821 alhamdulillah i am a muslim and that you saw the truth in lslam i just didnt know what christians thought of this and wanted to know.. salamualaikum
prouncingfist 1 year ago
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@prouncingfist
The only answer is it doesn't make sense. I hope you're a Muslim but if you are a Christian and came up with this understanding yourself, you're on the road right to Islam, alhumdu'Allah.
I used to be a Christian, but I never really believed anyways...Then came Islam, the most beautiful way of life....
vision821821 1 year ago
@prouncingfist Jesus is indeed a man.. a man, a man!!! He never a god! How could God had to go long ways, so long long way to forgive mankind.. I can forgive a person who cheated my money.. and i need not sacrifice myself!! and no one need to be sacrificed!!! so in that sense i can teach Jesus how to forgive people in easy way or I can let my little son to teach him....
GoodBinGood 1 year ago
@prouncingfist the answer is jesus is not a god bt rather he is a human like u and he was one of the Proghets of the God ...
socdaal 1 year ago
@prouncingfist I know the answer, but i don't feel like typing it up.
M131669 1 year ago
@prouncingfist The purpose of God taking a man's from as his son Jesus was to be a model of what all christians should strive to be like. In a way it is symbolic because God sent his son to be the ultimate sacrifice. The sybolism is God's love for man kind in sending his only son to die for our sins. To me this is the bases the structure of christianity and why I believe it is right.
TheDrSuda 1 year ago
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@prouncingfist to save you from your sins, that is why He did it.
810suited 1 year ago
@prouncingfist This is silly. You are doubting God's power to do as He pleases. Can God enter into His own creation? If not then your God is not all powerful. My God can enter into His own creation and He chose to enter into a man and die for the sins of His creation. God can certainly choose how He wants to save His people.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal by God , do you believe what are you saying ''God chose to enter into a man and die for the sins of His creation '' , he don't have to do that , AND HOW CAN GOD DIES
ahmad941985 1 year ago
@ahmad941985 Sir, I completely believe in what I said. You say God didn't have to do that, and we agree. He did not have to but He chose to do that so that us humans could be saved from our sins. I know you will say "just ask for forgiveness" but that's not the whole story. If you ask for forgiveness but plan on sinning again, are you forgiven? If you ask for forgiveness but accidentally sin are you forgiven? In the Qur'an EVERYONE is put in hell anyway so then no one is really forgiven.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@ahmad941985 2.Let me clarify: I'm not saying that God died. I'm saying that God entered into creation, something you think He cannot do. Once He entered into creation He was fully human and fully God. When He died on the cross the only nature that died was Jesus' human nature (his flesh) but He still lived. When we die the same happens to us, our spirit lives but our bodies die.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal Give your proof please for what you are saying ?
ahmad941985 1 year ago
@ahmad941985 The New Testament.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal you said that your proof is the new testament . ok i accept it
now please show me just one verse from the new testament that jesus (pbuh) said with his own words '' I AM GOD '' or he said ''' WORSHIP ME '''
ahmad941985 1 year ago
@ahmad941985 Christian have been mis taught by their teachers and especially the vatican. Does this mean that this is the bible's fault? Or the vaticans fault?
paramebolas 1 year ago
@paramebolas my friend the bible have some of God's word and also the words of the prophets but it also full with historian words, let me give an example let's read form deutronomy 25:11-12 it says ( When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets,Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her). By God can this be God's word
ahmad941985 1 year ago
@ahmad941985 If you think that your question is a good argument then I want to ask. Where in the New Testament does Jesus say in His words "I AM NOT GOD" or "DON'T WORSHIP ME"? Where does He even say that in the Qur'an? Where does Muhammad say in His words in the Qur'an "I am the last prophet"? Or will you agree that someone does not have to say certain words for people to understand the message?
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal Jesus (pbuh) didn't say in the new testament with his own words ''i am God'' nor he said ''worship me'' , he never did that .
a muslim is not a muslim if he don't believe in jesus
we believe that he was one of the mightiest messenges of God
we believe in his miraculous birth
we believe that he was the messiah (christ)
we believe that he gave life back to the dead with God's permission and that he healed the deaf,blind with God's permission. Ref: Holy Quran
ahmad941985 1 year ago
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@ahmad941985 So, clearly you don't care about truth. You won't even answer my question.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal Wow, this is like James White is speaking.
First, Muhammed did not speak, Quran is not his word.
Second, Quran clearly states that Muhammed is a seal of the Prophets.
MrRookie2 1 year ago
@MrRookie2 What you say is true, so I'm only expecting the same thing from Muslims that they expect from me. There are plenty verses in the Qur'an when it says "O prophet say" or something like that, why does Allah never tell Muhammad to say "I am the last prophet". Seal does not mean last explicitly, just as "God's Son" does not mean God explicitly. Seal could just mean that Muhammad is a lens through which you look at the prophets, maybe all his sin shows that the REAL prophets were just that.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal do you know what is the miracle of mohamed (pbuh) ?
ahmad941985 9 months ago
@prouncingfist, Why do you people ask the same questions over and over again. I bet if you scroll down you'll find that answer written somewhere in this page. If you don't, TRY GOOGLE.
jonjon1457 10 months ago
@prouncingfist
I think you already know the answer. You are using your intellect. Prophet Jesus (as) was not a god-man, dying god, or whatever. He was a blessed prophet and thats what Muslims have said from the begining.
daneshjoo2011 9 months ago
@prouncingfist
I made this point many times. God is All-Mighty, All-Powerful. Created concepts do not apply to Him and he is not BOUND by them. He doesnt NEED to resort to DIE and SUFFER (whats the point) when He is All-Powerful and can forgive in an instant. It is utterly ludricous. It implies that God sees all this sinning, then panics and then says "Oh no i should send my son (oh wait myself...or is it my son..whatever), and die to save them." Allah is beyond what they say.
daneshjoo2011 9 months ago
And this old man David he is the biggest Liar i ever listen to, he is not on the Topic at all..
Allahu Akabr, Allahu Akbar
ULQININYC 2 years ago
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega,the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is,and which was,and which is to come, the Almighty.
18 I am he that liveth,and was dead,and behold,I am alive for evermore, Amen,and have the keys of hell and of death.
Revelation 2:18And unto the angel of the church of Thyatira,write:These things saith the SON OF GOD, "Jesus refers to himself here as,THE ALMIGHTY,THE SON OF GOD, AND WAS DEAD AND IS ALIVE FOR EVERMORE, confirms the crucifixion,resurrection
ljkuipo 2 years ago
A Saudi man that accepted Jesus as his Savior on Al Hayat TV, said that he does not accept the fleshly , lustful lifestyle in Paradise according to the Quran, but believes in the holy lifestyle in Paradise that the Christians believe.
Do you accept a Holy Allah,that will entertain fleshly lustful orgies in heaven?
ljkuipo 2 years ago
@ljkuipo Great comment. It is interesting to see that the things that condemn you on earth are the same things that are allowed in heaven. No drinking on earth but rivers of wine in the afterlife....strange huh?
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal Read next verse. That wine will not cause headache nor will make you drunk.
MrRookie2 1 year ago
Assalamu alaikum
Christians and Muslims disagree on the nature of God, salvation, prophets, the true Scriptures, etc. For the great majority of us on both sides, we will not change our views. You believe in Allah and Muhammad as his prophet. I am a Christian, saved by the grace of my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
God loves you so much he sent his SON (part of himself) to die for your sins
Thechristiancullen 1 year ago
@ljkuipo Stop listening to the Devil, Listen to the God Word, where he says i created Adam, and eve from No Mother, and No Father, don't you think i can't created Jesus just from no Father? So use your brane that god Give it o you mister Ljkuipo..
He send Jesus as Prophet to call people at right path just like all other prophets, we love Jesus and we love all other prophets, Y would son of God have to die for me and you so they can bring us to the Haven, it MAKES NO SENCE
ULQININYC 2 years ago 16
A Saudi man that accepted Jesus as his Savior on Al Hayat TV, said that he does not accept the fleshly , lustful lifestyle in Paradise according to the Quran, but believes in the holy lifestyle in Paradise that the Christians believe.
Do you accept a Holy Allah, that will entertain fleshly lustful orgies in heaven?
ljkuipo 2 years ago
You have to call Him Lord, or Liar, because He stated that He was God in the flesh. You can't say he is just a Prophet. Can a Prophet lie? Well, you are going to have to say that Jesus lied when He talks about being God in the flesh arent you?
rightlydivide 2 years ago
@rightlydivide: Jesus never claimed divinity
harisf2004 1 year ago
@harisf2004 Yes He did in about 20+ places in the Bible. Jesus is Lord
rightlydivide 1 year ago
@rightlydivide no. he is neither liar nor lord. he never said "I am God" so if you say he did, YOU are calling him a liar. he was a prophet and never said he is god. god is not a man to eat, pee, take a crap.... jesus ate, and had to go to the bathroom. sorry mate, god doesnt take shit.
amooballer 1 year ago 3
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@ULQININYC This is silly. You are doubting God's power to do as He pleases. Can God enter into His own creation? If not then your God is not all powerful. My God can enter into His own creation and He chose to enter into a man and die for the sins of His creation. God can certainly choose how He wants to save His people.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@ULQININYC bro ur reply was very nice!!!Well done!!!
MrMonsuralam 8 months ago
Shabir is a FANTASTIC debater, really. I wish the other guy was as interesting, eloquent and reasonable.
Pistolero24 2 years ago
@Pistolero24 Shabir is a liar, I caught him in one debate saying that the first martyr Stephen was killed for Moses, and not for Jesus, read Acts 7:52-54 and see that the Jews were cut to the heart, after Stephen told the Jews that they murdered Jesus, and they stoned him to death after that. Shabir knows the Bible better than Christians do, but on Judgment Day he will be very guilty, as he lied about Jesus death and corrupted God's word, I feel sorry for him.
ljkuipo 2 years ago
What ever i learned all my life i learn that all the prophets were trying to call people to believe only 1 God, now where we come from Jesus was a God?
We are disrespecting our creator (Allah) who calls people on all his Books to believe only in one God even in Bible he does not say worship Jesus so why Christians are worshiping Jesus can any one please explain to me?
Allahu Akbar
ULQININYC 2 years ago
@ULQININYC As fully man, Jesus submitted to the Father, and how beautiful a relationship they have, the Son giving all glory to the Father. And in John 17:5 And now, Oh Father, glorify me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee BEFORE THE WORLD WAS. Get out your knife now, and start cutting up the word of God, just to heap more pain on yourself.
Jesus loves you.
ljkuipo 2 years ago
1. How can Bible say Jesus Died? I Thought Bible was a clean Book of God if it does then who was the person who resived those verses after Jesus death was if Poul, Luke, Mark actually this people din't even knew Jesus, they lived 40 years after Jesus christ.
1.Where does Jesus say: I AM GOD WORSHIP ME ?
I Believe there is no God But Allah, and Muhammad a,s and Jesus, Musa, Ibrahim, Ismail, Ishak, David and others were messengers Allah and who they eat, drink, sleep just like us.
ULQININYC 2 years ago
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega,the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is,and which was,and which is to come, the Almighty.
18 I am he that liveth,and was dead,and behold,I am alive for evermore, Amen,and have the keys of hell and of death.
Revelation 2:18And unto the angel of the church of Thyatira,write:These things saith the SON OF GOD, "Jesus refers to himself here as,THE ALMIGHTY,THE SON OF GOD, AND WAS DEAD AND IS ALIVE FOR EVERMORE. confirms the crucifixion,resurrection
ljkuipo 2 years ago
@ljkuipo I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
"This are the words of Bible that teach us that God is most Alpha and Omega, and Almighty i se nothing about Jesus in here.. :)
ULQININYC 2 years ago
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega,the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is,and which was,and which is to come, the Almighty.
18 I am he that liveth,and was dead,and behold,I am alive for evermore, Amen,and have the keys of hell and of death.
Revelation 2:18And unto the angel of the church of Thyatira,write:These things saith the SON OF GOD, "Jesus refers to himself here as,THE ALMIGHTY,THE SON OF GOD, AND WAS DEAD AND IS ALIVE FOR EVERMORE, Do you see JESUS now?
ljkuipo 2 years ago
@ULQININYC :Jesus is speaking in these Verses.
itsyaboy13 1 year ago
@ULQININYC
This is Jesus speaking about himself. He is attributing these titles to himself. He and God have the same titles and attributes. If you believe that there is one God and only one to be worshipped and glorified when Jesus talks about the glory THEY SHARED what is he saying? He is saying that he and God are one!!! Mayt the peace of Christ be with you
itsyaboy13 1 year ago
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@ULQININYC
This is Jesus speaking about himself. He is attributing these titles to himself. He and God have the same titles and attributes. If you believe that there is one God and only one to be worshipped and glorified when Jesus talks about the glory THEY SHARED what is he saying? He is saying that he and God are one!!! Mayt the peace of Christ be with you
itsyaboy13 1 year ago
@ULQININYC Jesus said that he would be killed and be raised the 3rd day. Jesus came to die for our sins, that is the main reason that he came. Jesus also said Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away but my words shall not pass away.
This verse proves that Jesus' words will stand forever, to allege that Jesus words are not exactly the same as they were originally is to call Jesus a liar, as he said his words shall not pass away.
ljkuipo 2 years ago
@ljkuipo
God calls us My son in the Qur'an also is that mean he is our father??
He is our God our Creator so Use your Brane
ULQININYC 2 years ago
Luke 16:16 "the law and the prophets were UNTIL John." Mohamad came after John.
John 4:22 " salvation is of the Jews ". Mohamad was not Jewish.
John 14:6 I am the Way , the Truth and the Life, no man cometh unto the Father but by me".
Mohamad said that you can have sex with your slave girls, can't you see that Mohamad is from Satan?
Jesus saves, the Bible says, "that all other doctrines other than the one that you received are of the Devil."
ljkuipo 2 years ago
@ljkuipo
Reed, Bible, Qur'an, old Testament then you well get the Whole picture you can NOT just reed Bible, have to reed and understand all.. Again Use your Brane and follow stop Following the Devil, because it will bring you no where, Hell fire it's the end if you don't believe Qur'an with OUT REEDING IT, and Prophet Muhammad Alejhi Selam.
ULQININYC 2 years ago
Why are you brushing aside the truth. Are you saying that God was stupid for ordering Moses to sacrifice blood sacrifices, animals, for the atonement of sin? The Jews did blood sacrifice for over 1,000 years, ask any Jew. Isn't it peculiar that they stopped the sacrifice after the crucifixion of Jesus? Because the blood of animals and goats can't really take away sin, they were a pattern of things to come, the real sacrifice, Jesus.
ljkuipo 2 years ago
from this debate it is clear both debater make clear each other relgion suck.
mahender6969 2 years ago
@mahender6969 I caught Shabir in all kinds of lies, Dave was right that islam and Jesus agree on nothing, he sounds like a boring speaker, that's why it takes a lot of effort to give him your attention, but he is speaking the truth. Shabir speaks very well, and is deceiving everybody in the room, he knows the Bible very well, yet denies Jesus mission, he's bound for hell unless he repents.
ljkuipo 2 years ago
what lies?
TheSpliffSmoker 2 years ago
SHABIR LIES i.e. about the 1st Martyr Stephen,
Acts 6:13 And set up false witnesses against him "( Stephan ), that he talked bad about Moses. Stephan tells the Jews about their history and when he comes to Jesus he says in: Acts 7:52 which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted and slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One ( Jesus ), of whom you have betrayed and murdered.
Acts 7:54 when they heard this they were cut to the heart, ( then they killed Stephan.)
ljkuipo 2 years ago
@ljkuipo
Just Reed surah 113 (Falaq) of The Qur'an just google it it wll tell you all about your God.
ULQININYC 2 years ago
@ULQININYC You are a liar, Isaiah 9: 6 doesn't say rabbi, teacher. Isaiah 9;6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.
9;7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the the throne of David "
ljkuipo 2 years ago
Just to elaborate on Shabir's lie about Stephan. Shabir claimed that the 1st Martyr Stephan wasn't stoned for Jesus, justifying his false position on Jesus, but for bad mouthing Moses, as you can see in Acts, read both chapters 6 and 7 so that you can see what cut the Jews to the heart, and made them stone Stephan. It was when Stephan accused the Jews of murdering Jesus. Shabir gets away with all his lies, because muslims nor most Christians know the scriptures well enough to challenge him.
ljkuipo 2 years ago
@ljkuipo u da man. hunt was is a bad debater
Bess2k2 2 years ago
lol i like ur statement!!!!!!
reubenravidass 2 years ago
@mahender6969 amen
Bess2k2 2 years ago
Shabir Ally is definitely a better speaker than Dave Hunt in this whole debate.
LVCIVSTVLLIVSATELLVS 2 years ago 28
On this day, I would agree with you. However, I personally am not concerned with who is a better speaker, but who is speaking the Word of God. I would rather listen to a 5 year old reading out of the Bible, then a professional speaker reading literature that was written in hell.
rightlydivide 2 years ago
well, you let your poor soul suffer.
The Qur'an is a miracle. Everythin responds to its Recitation.EVERYthing, meaning your body cells ,animals ,water , plants , the whole creation.
Recite Qur'an to water under a microscope, the water is so humbled that it you see crystals emerging.
listen to its recitation, it cures diseases of every kind.
and YES this was all proven.
you do not know what you are letting escape.
and the devil has no power. in hell there waits eternal pain for him.
Pua8 2 years ago 2
@rightlydivide Allah guides whom he wills and none can misguide them. Those that Allah misguides non can guide them. Its all up to Allah when it comes to guidance. And Allah says All souls shall taste death. Listen to whom ever you want but the truth stands clear from falsehood.
yonisfarah 1 year ago
@rightlydivide firstly find the word christinaity in your bible then say that it is the word of god
FakeMuslimExposer123 1 year ago
@LVCIVSTVLLIVSATELLVS Shabir Ally would appear to be a better speaker due to his 'energy' as he himself pointed out earlier. Mr. Ally was also humble enough to inform the audience that Dave Hunt had been debating the prevous day. I would assume that Mr. Hunt was very exausted by the time he entered into this debate with Ally, yet, he continued to present his arguments as best he could.
conkpit 1 year ago
the vitness is God the allmighty
God tells us that Jesus peace be upon him was not crucified and died
tadaponi 2 years ago
Not god... By Muhammad
wiskeyrider 2 years ago
lol shabir doesn't believe in the hadith?
The hadith explains the revelations from the quran.
Brrup 2 years ago
Yes, but the compilation and manner in which they were collected is not 100% fail proof, unlike the Quran. Which is why hadiths are classed as weak, medium and strong. Bukhari compiled his colection some 200 years after the Prophet saw died. There were 1000000s of so-caledd hadiths flying round many were fabricated by people to suit their own objectives. Imam Bukhari had ti sift through them, and then travel throughout the Muslim world to meet people who heard from 1 who hear from b etc
mamoderawat 2 years ago
But, without hadith quran is left unexplained in many areas.
So you can't just discredit some of it and credit other parts.
Brrup 2 years ago
And although Imam Bukhari did a very good job to go through millions of hadiths and remove the fakes ones, you can understand that his system was far from 100%. Yes we need Hadiths to answer how to pray, how to fast etc, but there are many other hadiths that cause disunity and arguments amongst Muslims, and these things are only opinions etc. Best bet is to unite on what we know the Shahada,5 pillars, quran and not let petty unprovable opinions divide us
mamoderawat 2 years ago
Right. So you believe some of the Hadiths and you don't believe others?
Brrup 2 years ago
Hadiths are classed as weak, medium and strong!!! This was classed by the person who researched and compiled them 200 years after the prophet Muhammads death, by saying they were either weak, medium or strong even he was accepting that there was no absolute certainty, but some narration's had more credibility than others, and some came from such credible sources and were reported originated from several of the prophet's companions that they were almost certainly authentic.
mamoderawat 2 years ago
Okay. So do you accept the narrations of SahihAlBuqari which are considered authentic Hadiths? This is from where Mr. Hunt was quoting.
Brrup 2 years ago
Lol, do u not understand what I have been saying? Be honest how much do you know? His names is Bukhari, the Sahih means OK or reliable. The explanation I gave about being compiled 200 years after the prophets death and being classed as weak, medium or strong was about Imam Bukhari's compilation. If he, the guy who researched and compiled them said some were weak then what does that tell u? Why people also say it has been 'said' when quoting hadiths. Only the Quran us 100% n 3 from change
mamoderawat 2 years ago
So do you or do you not believe in Hadith?
It is not a difficult question?
Telling me some are labelled weak and others strong does not answer the question.
Brrup 2 years ago
Do you believe the news?
mamoderawat 2 years ago
Do you "trust" the sources of SahihAlBukhari? Its sources are considered most reliable of the Hadiths.
Brrup 2 years ago
Again, Bukhari has a compilation of hadiths, so you can not speak of it as if it is just one thing. I trust the Quran, and everything said by the Prophet saw, I trust what his companions narrated he said. But, as you can not seem to comprehend, Bukhari is not like the Quran where you either believe all or none. Also, the hadiths of Bukhari were only written down into a book 500 years after he died, so think that book came about 700 years after the Prophets death!!!
mamoderawat 2 years ago
You see though, the contradiction arises when Shabir says that they need to read the context of the quranic revelations (the hadiths) instead of just taking it for what it is. But then he goes another way and says hadiths and narrarations cannot be trusted. This is the contradiction we face here. It becomes a game of picking and choosing. And Bukhari was born 200 years after Muhammad.
Brrup 2 years ago
I know Bukhari was born 200 years after the Prophet died, I have stated this a few times, but the actual compilation was written down as one book 500 years later.
mamoderawat 2 years ago
Okay, so you do trust the Hadiths and everything said by your prophet.
So do you admit then that Shabir was wrong in discrediting the narrarations?
Brrup 2 years ago
NO!!! Because saying someone did something does not mean they actually did it.
mamoderawat 2 years ago
Do you see what Shabir Aly said at 2:15?
"This is how I would interpret that." I'm sorry My. Aly, but are you saying you are right and your Hadith narrorators are wrong? If you listen to Mr. Aly, he makes his OWN interpretations and his OWN claims.
Brrup 2 years ago
2:13 sorry
Brrup 2 years ago
im not sure which narrations they were about. im guessing the ones about bani qaynuqa, who broke their treaty with the muslims and joined the other side. and their leader gave them their own verdict from the torah! so yea the men were put to death, whats so strange about that? they broke their pact and joined the pagan arabs who were killing the muslims. and on top of that their leader gave them the verdict of their punishment. so yea i believe thats an accurate narration
hassan691987 2 years ago
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Muhammad killed Jews and Christians. There are no sources during the time of Muhammad which mention Jews and Christian oppressing Muslims.
Islam's mandate is to have control and power. There is no such thing as peace in Islam.
Brrup 2 years ago
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Hense, Surah 9:29: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing SUBMISSION, and feel themselves SUBDUED.
Brrup 2 years ago
What a crock of shit mamawhateva how do you know who's a christian OR a muslim for that matter simply by looking at their faces and to think you can brand someone either christian or muslim because they did or didn't clap either person shows how stupid you must think people are.Think before you write fool.
nurtsurt 2 years ago
I only hatred I saw was from the facial expression of the many of the Christians in the audience and their refusal to clap
mamoderawat 2 years ago
i do agree with you, me too i can distinguish between a muslim and a non muslim from looking at their faces as i work in a multinational countries, for exemple the indians, even if they belong to the same country and from the same town as well, but the mulim faces there s a special light, but the non muslim they r typically diffrent, and i do swear, even before asking him about his religion i knew if he is a muslim or not before asking
walidseas 2 years ago
mumin's don't beleve what kuffar says they just mixed.. and try confuse us...
ispa100 2 years ago
THE QURAN SAYS THAT MOHAMED WAS NOT A PROPHET:
Surah 6:50: Say, "I do not say to you that I possess the treasures of GOD. Nor do I know the future. Nor do I say to you that I am an angel. I simply follow what is revealed to me." Say, "Is the blind the same as the seer? Do you not reflect?" 29:27:We granted him Isaac and Jacob, we assigned to his descendants prophethood and the scriptures,
MOHAMED IS NOT FROM THE SEED OF ISAAC OR JACOB AND SO CANNOT BE A PROPHET!!
tombanks118 2 years ago
shabir ally is a great man for defending the book of god and prophet mohammad(pbuh)
amad134 2 years ago 6
Numbers 23:19 God is NOT a man because man is a liar, NOR a son of man because son of man changes his mind.
Can't you see that plain English blind Christians? How can you ignore that verse? God is not a man, period. That's enough to prove that Trinity is a myth.
jamool2009 2 years ago 13
bible verses changed bye people,and people write anything what ever they like,,
crzTurk 1 year ago
@jamool2009 No God is not a man but he did take on the form of a man but was also fully God to live as a perfect example for us and be made a sacrifice.
tgamerlegend 1 year ago
@tgamerlegend how can a man be fully god and human at the same time? And be made sacrifice? aha what you youre talking about. He's God!
kenteles 1 year ago
dave hunt does not use facts from scriptures as shabir, hunt only states his opinions while streching the truth
ygh22222 2 years ago 7
not lie but misconception? mistake in believing what not to believe!? that is possible.
Sendo911 3 years ago 2
Is This the word of ALLAH :-
Volume 5, Book 59, Number 320:
Narrated Usaid:
On the day of Badr, Allah's Apostle said to us, "When the enemy comes near to you, shoot at them but use your arrows sparingly (so that your arrows should not be wasted)."
sasunoosan 3 years ago