bob dylan only took the chords and melody from this song. all the lyrics of "master's of war" are his. I think that's ok. you can tell, when listening to something, if it's a rendition/remake. i.e. dylan's is original and different enough to be a new piece of art. BUT, check out dylan's poem up for auction titled "little buddy" and compare it to hank snow's own "little buddy". Dylan signs his own name, doesn't mention snow, and sells it. by that alone he's a plagiarist.
...if you want music that is disconnected from tradition then fine, but I do not. There is nothing new under the son, you can't strike a chord or a melody that hasn't already been created in some iteration, so this whole argument is meaningless and contrived. All art is derived from experiences and influences from our past, and music is the ultimate example..."this sounds like The Beatles" - yeah, well, guess what those kids probably grew up idolizing...
This argument about musical theft and proprietary rights makes me sick. The very heart of traditional folk music was that the next bard would take it and create something new - his own spin, own take. Art isn't meant to sit in a case and be guarded by kings. True art is not owned - it belongs only to those who behold it...
Traditional folk music and the best blues in the world was all generated by one musician listening to another and "stealing" riffs...growing the into their own sound...
@danannvideos Trying to claim a song as your own and then trying to pay someone off is not respect.
Respect is acknowledging the writer as absolutely anonymous. Think of the person who originally wrote this song and what they must have felt. How absolutely unknown they are and how they must have died penniless and alone while someone like Bob Dylan is hugely rich now.
Dylan wrote "Masters of War", and used this tune. He attempted to copyright both tune and lyrics.
However, "Nottamun Town" is in the possession of Jean Richie, in a songbook her ancestors brought to the Appalachians from Britain, and she has made several recordings performing this song..
She filed a lawsuit, and won, the tune becoming her copyright. The royalties she receive from Dylan and others, is used to promote Appalachian folk-music.
folk music is built on stealing other people work. its music for the people by the people. Pablo Picasso once said "bad artists copy, good artists steal". this hold true no matter how much anyone denies it.
Beautiful! I keep coming back to this version of Niottamun Town. Thank you for posting some of John Fleagal's work. I didn't know of him previously. Really wonderfull stuff.
"Dylan Has Paid Homage To This Classical English Folk Song - And Stated That It Was An Influence On His Penning
Masters Of War. Yes He 'Borrowed' From
Many Sources - But Always Gave Respect
To The Source Of His Inspiration! He Even Says That 'Blowing In The Wind' Was Borrowed from An Old 'Southern Baptist Hymn'. ('The Melody, not the Lyrics). Many Of The Greats Have Done The Same. Even Guitarists borrow! Herbert Jansch + John Renbourn COPIED Davey Grahams Chops and Guitar Style !!!
@Sshelly34213 Doing research into this there is other possible song he has stolen. But some of it could be claimed as inspiration? I mean the album highway 61 is blatantly just blues songs with dylan complaining (in his usual fashion) over the top them. Yes, his stealing was wrong but in comparison to stealing done by the likes of Led Zeppelin and Elvis, his theft seems very timid...but yes wrong. Though as Dylan quoted 'I consider myself a poet first and a musician second' (food for thought?)
@Sshelly34213 Well I don't think theres anything poetic about letting Elvis off because you probably like him, when he was even worse then dylan when it came to theft. How can you stand for one reason then discard another, thats not much different for that matter.
@MaybeLasting I like Led Zeppelin and I still think they're shit for stealing other peoples' music. It has nothing to do with like or dislike, I like the song Forever Young, but Bob Dylan is still a music thief.
I actually know how to separate my opinions and biases from the reality of the situation. The reality is the Bob Dylan has been accused many times of stealing music.
And Elvis is a SINGER! Not a songwriter, how can you not see the difference? You can't steal a voice, plain and simple.
@MaybeLasting Almost every singer on earth has mimicked and copied the style of other singers, but they still had their own unique original voice. You just can't plagiarize with such a thing.
@MaybeLasting I don't think you realize just how difficult it is to come up with your own original and unique ideas. I'm going into film making and I come up with ideas for films all the time. 9 times out of 10, my ideas are inspired by something else I saw. It's not because I lack creativity, it's simply because most of our ideas stem from ideas that have already existed. What you have to be careful of is lifting themes and ideas and even large sections of other peoples' work.
Excellent version. Never heard of John Fleagle before but have listened to a few other of his tracks. Thanks for that, a real discovery. From his voice I would have said that he was English but he was from Boston I believe.
When I was in 5th grade we sang this song for halloween
MegaPrincessviolet 2 months ago
bob dylan only took the chords and melody from this song. all the lyrics of "master's of war" are his. I think that's ok. you can tell, when listening to something, if it's a rendition/remake. i.e. dylan's is original and different enough to be a new piece of art. BUT, check out dylan's poem up for auction titled "little buddy" and compare it to hank snow's own "little buddy". Dylan signs his own name, doesn't mention snow, and sells it. by that alone he's a plagiarist.
elevatorisland 3 months ago
whos the ghost the horse they lady the people who she can only see the eyes or their all the ghosts
WingedPegasus321 4 months ago
great rendition
SuperBeanson 6 months ago
masters of war :)
paddymourinho 10 months ago
Que cara de inglés!
einarmccarthy 11 months ago
Just heard who it was by at the end!
nipperlings 1 year ago
Very nice, harks of times past. Who sings this?
nipperlings 1 year ago
@nipperlings
Its John Fleagle. Like his songs!
axolotlium 5 months ago
Love his version. I am glad to find this artist who is new to me. Thank you.
MyMoppet52 1 year ago
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jeffreydao09 1 year ago
...if you want music that is disconnected from tradition then fine, but I do not. There is nothing new under the son, you can't strike a chord or a melody that hasn't already been created in some iteration, so this whole argument is meaningless and contrived. All art is derived from experiences and influences from our past, and music is the ultimate example..."this sounds like The Beatles" - yeah, well, guess what those kids probably grew up idolizing...
Appreciate great art, do not judge it.
hendrixius 1 year ago 2
This argument about musical theft and proprietary rights makes me sick. The very heart of traditional folk music was that the next bard would take it and create something new - his own spin, own take. Art isn't meant to sit in a case and be guarded by kings. True art is not owned - it belongs only to those who behold it...
Traditional folk music and the best blues in the world was all generated by one musician listening to another and "stealing" riffs...growing the into their own sound...
hendrixius 1 year ago 2
great song
maxhaddrall 1 year ago
@danannvideos John Fleagle is someone who had RESPECT for the folk movement, Bob Dylan is simply someone who made his living off of it.
If he really wanted to follow in the folk tradition, he wouldn't have signed a major label would he?
Sshelly34213 1 year ago
@danannvideos EXACTLY...
Bob Dylan DID tried to pawn it off as his own and our legal system proved him wrong. He tried to pay Jean Ritchie to shut up, that's wrong.
Jean Ritchie tried to fight for that idea you're stating, that no one owns them.
You like Bob Dylan, that's perfectly fine, but stop trying to excuse his behavior, he has been accused of plagiarism before.
Sshelly34213 1 year ago
@danannvideos Trying to claim a song as your own and then trying to pay someone off is not respect.
Respect is acknowledging the writer as absolutely anonymous. Think of the person who originally wrote this song and what they must have felt. How absolutely unknown they are and how they must have died penniless and alone while someone like Bob Dylan is hugely rich now.
Sshelly34213 1 year ago
Dylan wrote "Masters of War", and used this tune. He attempted to copyright both tune and lyrics.
However, "Nottamun Town" is in the possession of Jean Richie, in a songbook her ancestors brought to the Appalachians from Britain, and she has made several recordings performing this song..
She filed a lawsuit, and won, the tune becoming her copyright. The royalties she receive from Dylan and others, is used to promote Appalachian folk-music.
LarS1963 2 years ago
@LarS1963 Good for her.
Sshelly34213 1 year ago
I've cause he did, folk music is built on this tradition. See also A Hard Rains A Gonna Fall and "O Where have you been Lord Randal my son".
hiddeninromance 2 years ago
folk music is built on stealing other people work. its music for the people by the people. Pablo Picasso once said "bad artists copy, good artists steal". this hold true no matter how much anyone denies it.
ordir00 2 years ago
@ordir00 Well I hold to the idea that Bob Dylan has been copying people for years now.
There was a full fledged folk movement before Bob Dylan was even born.
Sshelly34213 1 year ago
Beautiful! I keep coming back to this version of Niottamun Town. Thank you for posting some of John Fleagal's work. I didn't know of him previously. Really wonderfull stuff.
rosasomniferum 2 years ago
his voice accompanied with the beautiful songs he sings is enchanting.
anglaismoyen 2 years ago
"Dylan Has Paid Homage To This Classical English Folk Song - And Stated That It Was An Influence On His Penning
Masters Of War. Yes He 'Borrowed' From
Many Sources - But Always Gave Respect
To The Source Of His Inspiration! He Even Says That 'Blowing In The Wind' Was Borrowed from An Old 'Southern Baptist Hymn'. ('The Melody, not the Lyrics). Many Of The Greats Have Done The Same. Even Guitarists borrow! Herbert Jansch + John Renbourn COPIED Davey Grahams Chops and Guitar Style !!!
beethovenbix 2 years ago
@beethovenbix Yes because trying to pay people to shut up is homage.
He stole it and tried to pawn it off as his own, why will people excuse anything?
Sshelly34213 1 year ago
Did dylan really steal or borrow this traditional song for 'masters of war' because it certainly sounds like it?
MaybeLasting 3 years ago
@MaybeLasting He tried to pay Jean Ritchie to shut up...what do you think?
Sshelly34213 1 year ago
@Sshelly34213 Doing research into this there is other possible song he has stolen. But some of it could be claimed as inspiration? I mean the album highway 61 is blatantly just blues songs with dylan complaining (in his usual fashion) over the top them. Yes, his stealing was wrong but in comparison to stealing done by the likes of Led Zeppelin and Elvis, his theft seems very timid...but yes wrong. Though as Dylan quoted 'I consider myself a poet first and a musician second' (food for thought?)
MaybeLasting 1 year ago
@MaybeLasting I doubt it, he had the opportunity to make that case in a court of law, why didn't he if that was the case?
I think Led Zeppelin is sht.
Elvis was a singer, you can't steal another person's singing voice. I think that is what he's remembered and adored for of all things.
I don't find anything poetic about thievery.
Sshelly34213 1 year ago
@Sshelly34213 Well I don't think theres anything poetic about letting Elvis off because you probably like him, when he was even worse then dylan when it came to theft. How can you stand for one reason then discard another, thats not much different for that matter.
MaybeLasting 1 year ago
@MaybeLasting I like Led Zeppelin and I still think they're shit for stealing other peoples' music. It has nothing to do with like or dislike, I like the song Forever Young, but Bob Dylan is still a music thief.
I actually know how to separate my opinions and biases from the reality of the situation. The reality is the Bob Dylan has been accused many times of stealing music.
And Elvis is a SINGER! Not a songwriter, how can you not see the difference? You can't steal a voice, plain and simple.
Sshelly34213 1 year ago
@MaybeLasting Almost every singer on earth has mimicked and copied the style of other singers, but they still had their own unique original voice. You just can't plagiarize with such a thing.
Songwriting, it's very easy and cheap to do so.
Sshelly34213 1 year ago
@MaybeLasting I don't think you realize just how difficult it is to come up with your own original and unique ideas. I'm going into film making and I come up with ideas for films all the time. 9 times out of 10, my ideas are inspired by something else I saw. It's not because I lack creativity, it's simply because most of our ideas stem from ideas that have already existed. What you have to be careful of is lifting themes and ideas and even large sections of other peoples' work.
Sshelly34213 1 year ago
masters of war
StjepkoRS 3 years ago
this one came first
danielw1245 2 years ago
we heard this in music class.....♥
Allypuppyluver 3 years ago
Weird...so did I... Except we didn't sing the verse about the king and queen. The song's awesome though!
^.^
SouthShooter 3 years ago
omg... ur kidding right? we didnt sing that verse either...
Allypuppyluver 3 years ago
Whoa...
SouthShooter 3 years ago
creeepy.....
Allypuppyluver 3 years ago
almost as creepy as the song!
Allypuppyluver 3 years ago
Excellent version. Never heard of John Fleagle before but have listened to a few other of his tracks. Thanks for that, a real discovery. From his voice I would have said that he was English but he was from Boston I believe.
hawkmoon03111951 3 years ago
he looks like Ginger Baker. nice voice tho
kentishbloke 3 years ago
Excellent!
LarS1963 3 years ago
Youre very talented, thank you so much, magical sound as good as Bert, lovley voice, keep it up!
joaped 3 years ago