I Love the fact that this is also done in Sign Language, talk about getting the message across. As to you 2 idiots thinking this isn't singing or music, I would hazard a guess you hate rap and hip hop too, as this is that style. This is a great song and a great admission of True Irish History.
My family left in the Diaspora and while County Kerry is still there, Dobbin's Glen, where my family came from, is no longer there...Tell the World, Sinead!! We're behind you!!
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I was able to go to Poland and you haven't seen Catholicism anywhere in the world like this probably to only rival the vatican! 300FT Jesus Christ, solid gold massive church! Sinead stayed true to her beliefs and unfortunately a very creative mind has fallen by the waist side by speaking the truth! Great music!!
@ospunky28 I'm from Poland I have been Sinead's fan for 20 years.I have always loved and admired her and her art.she has a lot of fans here.Well,do you think Catholics are worse than Muslims ?If yes,why?
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As an Irish-American, I can say that this song resonates with me. I wish I new my families history, but I don't. But when it comes to loneliness... I have an understanding that most people are glad they don't have. Fucking Erin Go Bragh. I could give a shit if some asshole doesn't like America or Irish-Americans. Fuck you. Some of us aren't about Guinness or shamrocks. SOME of us respect both our personal and family's history and that of our heritage. Not all of us our tourists. Remember that.
What do those black kids have to do with this song? It is supposed to be a gangsta rap? Love the song, but I have to agree the video is disappointing.
@newpvids I think it has to do that the situation of young irish people that the song talks about is comparable to the situation of african americans in gettho's across the states. And ofcourse that this music style is distinctly from those Gettho's.
In 1992, Sinead ripped up a photo of the Pope on SNL as a protest against paedophilia in the Catholic Church and the complicity of the church hierarchy. It was viewed as an act of career suicide. Steamrollers crushed 100s of her CDs to huge cheers from protesters. She was laughed at, derided and parodied on both sides of the atlantic as an uptight feminist nutcase.
Now, knowing what we know about the church, isn’t Sinead O’Connor overdue a massive, grovelling apology from absolutely everybody?
@festyosemtex "...isn’t Sinead O’Connor overdue a massive, grovelling apology from absolutely everybody?" Not from me. I loved what she did then, and still do now.
YEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!! She is. Great woman. Spoke about about all of his. I am a survivor of clerical abuse and thank Sinead speaking out despite being attacked for it. They kill the prophets ! K
@festyosemtex For real. Everybody gets all up in arms over religion. Sinead is a poet. She's brilliant and never deserved the backlash she got back then....
I'm really disappointed she didn't use the original version on Universal Mother. Also, what the heck is this video??? It's got nothing to do with the song. The lyrics are so vivid and specific -- why oh why not take advantage of that? Also, what happened to the Fiddler on the Roof background?
Part of the problem was potatoes was all the English poor had to eat at the time, so the government had an interest in the Irish exporting as much as possible, which they would do to keep money coming they needed to pay their rents, even though they might go hungry.
It's like Maine lobster-men today, they fish the nations lobsters, but can't afford to eat t hem themselves, because both the high cost of the product, and it is something they can sell to others to eat.
"The most child like trusting people in the universe...." "And if there's ever going to be healing.... there has to be remembering, and then grieving. So that there then can be forgiving. There has to be knowledge and understanding." This song is also about abuse, in the context of The Famine and the ways to overcome the trauma of abuse, individually, communally - even globally. She emphasises forgiveness at the end, as this is the only way to healing. The other things must come first however.
For I was hungry, while you had all you needed. I was thirsty, but you drank bottled water. I was a stranger, and you wanted me deported. I needed clothes, but you needed more clothes. I was sick, and you pointed out the behaviors that led to my sickness. I was in prison, and you said I was getting what I deserved." Matthew 25: 41-43 (RESV -- Richard E. Stearns Version, from "The Hole in Our Gospel")
@custardflan Agreed. The same recipe was applied to all Celtic nations. It was never about Countries or cultural identities clashing but simply about the strong/rich taking from the weak/poor. Now it's becoming global and institutionalized. Humans are getting commoditized.
..haha enough of this bullshit...the point is we are all masters of our own destiny yes ..but we all learn .nature and nurture.and continue to learn,nothing exists in a vacuum..but if youre history is rewritten.your memory stolen,your identity denied..your development is affected,your growth stunted..ur knowledge of who u r is undermined,..history and learning from it from past mistakes ,or past glories and understanding cause and effect is vital for progress ultimately..
haha but how do you know he was yor grandfather ..for real..are you just going on what you been told.taught.would it make a difference ..change who you were ?? u see where im going ?..what if he wasnt and you found out youre real grandfather had been a great leader,thinker,rebel,scientist,poet,painter...something great before..it would change you psychologically...plant the seed you could achieve great things or answer a question within u...but if you found out he was an illiterate peasant ????
@monkeyboymacc People is people and has nothing to do with his ancestors, just learns from the people he has beside him. So a discover like that could not change me. And im with you in that is always a mistake to erase the past. I only meant that past is like a tale that everyone tells as his own and nobody really knows. So live the present, be happy, build a good country and dont trust brits if you think its the right thing. But we should only judge the living people, no use judging dead men.
on youtube ..letters from the irish famine..macker33..will give you a flavour of what happened ...it was a"silent"policy...there were too many poor ..they were believed to be surplus to requirements,in the way ..wealth english landowners upped the rent,kept the food..there was plenty of food and warehouses of grain under armed guard...has england suffered famine ?..geologically,climactically they are the same..no ..the main population were forbidden to be taught to read and write.made serfs
big shout out to festy..yes it was precisely that comment and moreover that level of ignorance masquerading as realism."..what if they had taken the money and teach the children irish.who cares anyway?".that started the fire in the first place and had me typing a speed never before achieved..forbiding the language ,which was rich,lyrical and full of complex ideology and symbolism was a major part of a tactical game.but twas far more efficient to let the ungrateful *****die of "natural causes
and mr ramonthe3rd if past dosnt matter,why r u the 3rd ?why not be the 1st..1&2 had no effect on you??to suggest that the systemic eradication of a peoples language ,cultural identity,values,freedom at gunpoint will have no effect on future generations or the psyche of a nation is sorely misguided... try telling that to an african american,a palestinian,or a jew ,,the survivors of the ethnic cleansing programs throughout history..its not an excuse but shes saying there has been repercussions
youre missing the point...shes not blaming the english now for what happened ..shes just putting forward a very plausible theory that what happens in the past effects today ...nothing exists in a vacuum ....the future is a mobile concurrency of past and present ...to suggest that an act as dramatic and violent as this ...millions died...has no bearing or relevance today is tomiss the point ...try telling that to a bosnian,a jew,a palestinian,,the indiginous populations of america and australia
it happened ....i dont care much for the music within this but the lyrics are true ...all countries have acted atrociously toward their neighbours and in irelands case often to its own people but the history books have been censored and their has been bullshit,lies,spin,prejudice ,racism,hypocrisy surrounding this ...we all need tomove on but you cant do that very well unless you accept and acknowledge what happened...only then can you let it go...its perhaps very basic psychology but......
the potato is not/was not native to ireland...it was introduced fromspain by the english "landlords" as a profit making enterprise and had the co-operation of wealthy irishlandowners and the church,a huge percentage of arable and agricultural land was turned over to this enterprise and yes,when the potato blight came all the good stuff,meat fish veg was shipped out and the people left to starve or given conversion incentives by the church..english parliamentarians said it was an irish problem
why do the english take so long to admit what happened,you just need to look at the recent weeks events re:bloody sunday report...yes its in the past but atrocities such as this happened,and they must be acknowledged,understood and admitted then people can have their anger their hurt their deception assuaged and move on.there are calls from the english still today to germany and japan to apologise and acknowlege their crimes against humanity...but they are not very good at recognising their own
assuming so easily that this "famine" is the cause of todays alcohol and drug adicction, that forced priest to abuse children, even i think is forced to tell that this "famine" has any effect at all in the present days, besides a lot of irish decendents in america. I think she has no real idea of what happened then, but she speaks so sure of herself and i dont like this kind of people.
@ramonthe3rd "assuming so easily that this "famine" is the cause of todays alcohol and drug adicction..."
I think Sinead would argue that 'the famine' was one of the louder examples of the brutal english colonialism which absolutly flattened the people of Ireland for 700 years or so
700 years of a social, economic and cultural oppression wouldn't drive you to drink? or have no effect on the Irish way of life/outlook at all? I think Sinead thinks it would. and I would agree with her.
Also I dont get the "Eleanor Rigby" thing (just a trick, in my opinion, to make this sort of epic).
She talks like the world was a sequence of events that she could trace by her wish and that is impossible. And much more given that were talking about a timespan of a almost three hundred years.
And after all... what if they had taken the money and teach the children irish anyway??? who would have cared???
@festyosemtex Ys, i was talking about the potato famine, im sorry, im spanish and i dont know much of irish history. Maybe i missed the point there.
"what if they had taken the money and teach the children irish anyway??? who would have cared???" goes for the lyrics "They gave us money not to teach our children Irish"
I'd like to tell you that Irish Folk is my favourite music and i love many of their rebel songs, but when youre criticising, you have to do it rigth.
"...goes for the lyrics "They gave us money not to teach our children Irish"
Yes I know, what I was saying there is that you are missing the point, with your
"what if they had taken the money and teach the children irish anyway..." comment. You seem to be missing the point altogether with that comment. To a stupendous degree. My 'what?' comment was me trying to communicate how flabbergasted I was. THEY WERE WIPING OUT A CULTURE AND PUTTING IN THEIR OWN. Dont you get that?
@festyosemtex as for the alcoholism and drug adicction; thats a world wide problem and i think there's no cause for that. They're drugs, theyre addictive in itselves. That is all. In spain we had a war in 1939, my father didnt lived it. His generation and mine is a generation of alcoholics and junkies, probably bigger than irish ones and im not exagerating. Im sure English empire caused famine, but there are drunks and pedophile priests everywhere! ah, and my fave sinead album is sean nos nua!
I apologize for my last comment, after reading "Im sure English empire caused famine". But I think your missing something.
By the way you talk history has no relevance at all to personal state of the individual, who lives in an environment that frames and influences the individual, in an environment moulded by its past experiences, its history.
Griping on that drugs are addictive in any context, you seem to be missing the point.
"Im sure English empire caused famine, but there are drunks and pedophile priests everywhere!"
Sorry this is turning harsh, but your missing the point again. I think it is because you don't have an idea of the status/presence the church had in this country, and how long back it goes. Do you not consider it possible that the 700 years of colonial oppression was not an influential factor in this state of affairs. monkeyboymacc adresses this in his comments
yes, thats what i think. Years of oppresion has passed, now we are all "friends" in a European Union, have democracy, business together and freedom of speech and language, and human rights. If you said that you want back your six counties, i understand this, really. Thats completely different.
I mean: our president in spain paid the muslims last year money to apologize for when spanish reconquered spain back in 1492. Aint it pathetic?
@ramonthe3rd Sorry ramon I don't want to fight with you to be honest, I will try to be as clear as I can. Without the presence of the colonial power in the history of Ireland, I very much doubt the institution of the church (and all the negative aspects which came with the institution) would have had such a powerful and twisted manifestation in this country. There would have been a big difference, in my opinion. from what I recall that was the point I was trying to make there.
id like to ask you a question that has been in my mind a lot of time. Why the line of north ireland and south divides catholics and protestants? i mean, are they all practicant christians??? is hard to believe, because in my country we are 90% atheists. Whats the status of the church in ireland right now? youre right, i dont know anything about that.
@ramonthe3rd The church is an awful lot weaker then it was. Especially with all the scandal. But you would be very surprised how many people here still support the Church. Personally I don't think the church here has any moral authority at all, and I am seriously worried for people who can't see that, who can't see the day to day hypocrisy/emptiness in the institution as it is/was represented here in Ireland.
@ramonthe3rd "Why the line of north ireland and south divides catholics and protestants? i mean, are they all practicant christians??? is hard to believe, because in my country we are 90% atheists"
Im sorry Ramon I may give you a wrong answer on this because I may be misinterpreting what you are asking me.
Are you asking why there are so many religious people in Ireland?
Or are you asking me why there is/was a 'protestant vs catholic' mentality in the North?
@festyosemtex sorry for my bad english! i was in fact asking both things. If the "protestant vs catholic" between ireland and the north is really about the church. It seems weird to me that everybody has such a strong faith in the western world (i mean, is a bit like al-qaeda, aint it?) just wanted to know that thanks!
"If the "prot vs cath" between ire and the north is really about the church."
It is not directly about the church or which religion they have. Protestants in Northern Ireland make up around 53% of the population,Catholics 44% (according to recent census.) Protestants are predominantly unionists (they want N. Ireland to remain part of the UK), most Catholics are nationalists (they want a 'united Ireland',or to become apart of the Irish free state.)
@ramonthe3rd Many Protestants trace their lineage back to English and Scottish 'Planters', who arrived in Ulster in the early 17th century to colonise land that had been confiscated from Gaelic clans as part of James I's scheme to 'pacify' the country.
Think of it as 'Protestants = English vs Catholics = Irish'. The religious identity comes into it in a big way from here, their 'allegiances' are identified through what religion they have. they attend different schools, live in
different localities, and were treated differently historically, the Catholic segment treated badly/did not having that much civil rights in the past, which led to protests and antipathy towards the protestant contingent, which in turn led to a growing support for the IRA --e.g. you may have heard of Bloody Sunday, the anger from that brought alot of people to the IRA--). All the while religious types stoked the fire of hatred for the other
@ramon The problems u are referring to, with the church specifically, are probably the ones in the South.Once the English left the south there was very little seperation between Church and state for about 70 years. Bad stuff happened.The reasons the church had such a stranglehold on the country are complex, and to be honest Ramon,I don't think I have the facilities to describe them correctly. Lets just say their position and support was influenced somewhat by the presence of the colonialsts
yo yo checkit yo sinead styleeeee rappin bout the famine and stuff yeah the brits suck yeah yah loike I am sinead with a head and a nave and oi like potatoes but not too much coz you brits suck and stuff
I've learned a lot about the realities of the Irish Potato Famine from the people from England and Ireland that posted here on this video. As far as Ms Sinead, I think she's a musical version of Sasha Cohen. An attention whore. Vapid, insipid and drug addled.
Why'd she screw up, because she tore up a photo of the pope? The church and british domination over Ireland go hand and hand. She loved her country and had the guts to make a statement which costed her career. The fact "she screwed up" is a testament to her standing against the status-quo which eliminates freedom of expression. She did what artists are SUPPOSED to do, cause a stir. Maybe if she crossed over into the self-indulgent world of hip-hop she'd still be a success according to you
yeah she really is and sometimes looking like Audrey Hepburn...did you watch her clip where she sang "In this heart"?? she looked exactly like Audrey Heppburn...so damn gorgeous woman
Sinhead comes out with another classic, from nowhere, as usual...these wannabee's they pimp to the kids need to get some inspiration: change the world, not just your paycheck.
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you southerners need to get over it .. you had a famine like 200 years ago and had british rule nearlly a 100 years ago and your stil crying about it ... and then the north has been trying to fight for independence and you call them ruthless thugs and stonethrowers .. idiots
Wow, I am reading what is being thrown AT each other and I think that you are all missing the point. The famine went down in history books as a "terrible tagedy". This left it as an act of nature when it truly was an act of man and needs to written as such. This is a piece of history that has still reached into today. You can't heal without truth. And you can't have true change without knowledge. I think that is what she is trying to say. So don't make it worse with bickering. Try discussion
@celticgracie The Almighty indeed sent the potato blight but the English created the famine... a million and half men, women and children were carefully, prudently and peacefully slain by the English government. They died of hunger in the midst of abundance which their own hands created.
from as early as 1800 the british government was told by its own represenatives that ireland was heading for disaster due to reliance on the potato crop why didnt they do something then to help and change the situation why wait untill it was too late and they were shamed into helping by the eyes of the outside world. the english let the famine happen as a covert form of geneocide as indicated by trevelyns comments at the time.
Listen,"sonofirelenad" in your own words I am a "daughter of Erin" and I get pissed off with people like you who prefer to make out we are fools and victims.You think the peasants all over europe and the mainland were "educated" or had masses of land to live on?no, they were not,but they did waht was necessary to change so they didnt starve.Fact is factions and religion again had a call on us so we took niether advice nor responsibility but carried on our own way to disaster.and be fair,
i accept that it is possible that some refused help on religious grounds but do you really believe that at least 1 million people starved to death on religious grounds because i do not
i prefer to call it genocide it was englands way of dealing with a thorn in their side i also find it interesting that over 1 million scots highlanders were forced to emigrate at the same time the scots also being a thorn in the english side
In my experience, people will do any old crap on religious grounds; it is the ultimate excuse for everything from flagellation and child abuse to out and out genocide. If you believe that a cleric is the representative of God then who are you to argue? some say love of money is the root of all evil but I say it is organised religion, for perverting mankind's lovely spirituality into politics and xenophobia.
well said. A lot of people view a threat to religion as a threat to their spirituality. I used to view it in this way. It's not true. Spirituality and religion are completely separate, though related. Religion is a man-made institution, run for power, politics, special interests, and social control. Nothing more.
as the penal laws banned education of irish catholics the tenent famer in ireland didnt know anything else but how to grow potatos and even if they did as the area of land they had was so small the only crop they could grow enough of for themselves and their families to survive was the potato as for landlords being irish george bingham 3rd earl of lucan owner of 60000 acres and probably the most hated of the famine landlords due to his mass evictions was born in london making him english
smellycat -your figure of £200,000 from English people re the famine-may be -the Quakers did help. But Ireland lost £800,000 per year to English absentee landlords-In addition the Irish people paid 10% of their income to the Church of Ireland-which were non existant in the south and west.
On one occasion a widow who refused to pay caused the Cof I to call in troop who then killed 12 men who were protesting in support of her outside the house.
If you studied history instead of talking to imaginary friends, you'd know the figures. Why do you keep mentioning Quakers? and how do you in your infinite daydream propose the money was "lost"? Everyone in the British Isles paid a "tithe" to the church. Most of the landlords in the south were actually IRISH. As to your sad tale of the old biddy, did the troops skin her grandchildren and peg them on the fence? that's what was done to the children of a scottish tenant, before stealing his food.
scat-the Irish paid twice-once too absentee landlords and again to the C of Ireland-who were also pretty absent in the South and West..The C of I were not their church anyway.
The storey is Irish- the C of I brought in troops as they wern't getting their cut.
Anyway you make a few interesting points. I withdraw my accusation of masonry
You're a strange lad, aren't you, young Toon? But I sense some promise under the bullshit. If you actually went to college you could really amount to something.
Yeah, she's troubled. That does not make her wrong. My reading of that history is that it was a famine that did not have to occur... privilaged Irish conceded to British trade interests to perpetuate the famine... The later revelations that she was bi-polar stunned me, it made me question here Saturday Night Live performance more than this video. I think she is like Lauryn Hill. A genious, despite her troubles.
she is completely wrong about this. In fact, this video is totally incoherant, and the worst thing is that gullible idiots on here see her ranting her disjointed rubbish and take it as history, when really, it's like listening to the thoughts rushing through the head of a lace doily. Nobody wanted to "perpetuate the famine". Why would they? the blight hit the whole of Europe, although only for Ireland were there such incredible efforts expended in aid. 1848 was a year of revolution throughout
Europe, because of the failure of this crop, but the effects were lessened overall and the life of the disease shortened because they followed simple advice. The North suffered less because the landlords there were predominantly English, and took better care of their tenants; meanwhile the mainly IRISH landlords of the south continued making money from exports, alternative seeds donated to the tenants as temporary alternatives
were not used out of sheer bigotry, and the estate managers, who used them, were attacked, robbed and killed. Members of the British government were raising hell about the treatment of the tenants by the IRISH landlords, and pouring money in, although the rest of Britain was also affected - we also had poor people who depended on their land for food! In other words, this was an IRISH failure, but it is far more romantic (to the stupid) to blame others, than take any responsibility for it.
1:04 was that Kurt Cobain?
elishamjfan 2 weeks ago
speak the world they say
You gave her the voice to speak God, so let her do it best/
timofeychernov 1 month ago
AMAZING VIDEO ..
MsJamestracy 1 month ago
I Love the fact that this is also done in Sign Language, talk about getting the message across. As to you 2 idiots thinking this isn't singing or music, I would hazard a guess you hate rap and hip hop too, as this is that style. This is a great song and a great admission of True Irish History.
My family left in the Diaspora and while County Kerry is still there, Dobbin's Glen, where my family came from, is no longer there...Tell the World, Sinead!! We're behind you!!
QueenMAB418 1 month ago 4
such a brave talent moving out from such an harmless gaze..
sinead has a great voice
and her lyrics and deep thoughts deserves respect and devotion
eliogabalo666 2 months ago
She is a great woman. An amazing singer, a beautiful woman.
PVSJuicer 2 months ago
Saben...ando buscando un video de Sinead donde salen unas hadas y unos duendes y cosas asi.... alguien sabe como se llama esa cancion?
bronzon2103 3 months ago
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Lest we forget...
peachyTO 3 months ago
The Chorus of this song is from the Chorus is from Eleanor Rigby by The Beatles
"All The Lonely People" "Where Do They All Come From"
atboy356 4 months ago
the godess erinn is still with sum of us mac grian an all will rise again with people like her in the world. gael gu brath
kingpharaohtsar 4 months ago
Sinead is a healer
Klute1977 4 months ago
this is not the album version where can i find this version
seeeliwww 4 months ago
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DONT READ THIS CAUSE IT ACTUALLY WORKS. YOU WILL GET KISSED ON THE NEAREST POSSIBLE FRIDAY BY THE LOVE OF YOUR LIFE. TOMMOROW WILL BE THE BEST DAY OF YOUR LIFE. HOWEVER IF YOU DO NO POST THIS COMMENT TOO AT LEAST 3 VIDEOS WILL DIE WITHIN 2 DAYS. NOW UV STARTED READING THIS DONT STOP. THIS IS SO SCARY. PUT THIS ON AT LEAST 5 VIDEOS IN 143 MINUTES WHEN UR DONE PRESS F6 AND UR LOVERS NAME WILL APPEAR ON THE SCREEN IN BIG LETTERS. THIS IS SO SCARY CAUSE IT ACTUALLY WORKS
helena17star 5 months ago
I was able to go to Poland and you haven't seen Catholicism anywhere in the world like this probably to only rival the vatican! 300FT Jesus Christ, solid gold massive church! Sinead stayed true to her beliefs and unfortunately a very creative mind has fallen by the waist side by speaking the truth! Great music!!
ospunky28 5 months ago
@ospunky28 I'm from Poland I have been Sinead's fan for 20 years.I have always loved and admired her and her art.she has a lot of fans here.Well,do you think Catholics are worse than Muslims ?If yes,why?
lionandcobra 4 months ago
@lionandcobra all religions are fucked up, no religion is worse than another, but the individual who is following it can be.
NaziZombieLover1 3 months ago
me encantaria morirme besandote mamita morirme en tuos ojos morirme entre tus piernitas morirme mientras esucho tu voz te amo¡¡¡¡¡¡
caguamoon 5 months ago
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West End girls...
elel013 5 months ago
Without the truth, there can be no real morality, justice, equality, success, freedom, love, security, peace, spirituality or even survival. If you are seeking the truth, search "Truth Contest" in Google, then open The Present on the homepage and read what it says.
DemianHermann 5 months ago
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Crapy music, actually it`s not even music...its fucking dead boring talking...
bieberMAN93 5 months ago
@bieberMAN93 tell me afucking bout it
ExoGenesiss 4 months ago
Ireland should be so proud for having Sinead...she deserves respect and love from everyone
dolitsa 6 months ago 5
Another good version, Koories listen to the lyrics. White people listen and try a bit of understanding.
Mairead
maireaddwyer 7 months ago
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dur de ne pas y croire ..
les britanniques ne sont pas dur, paradoxalement au principe de vote ,a reconnaitre ... ils sont dans le "rouge " comme le sang qu'il ont fait couler
Zaruld 8 months ago
dur de ne pas y croire ..
les britanniques ne sont pas dur, paradoxalement au principe de vote ,a reconnaitre ... ils sont dans le "rouge " comme le sang qu'il ont fait couler
Zaruld 8 months ago
there was no famine, so they said...
TheKoppi22 8 months ago
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BabiiiOzellaa457 10 months ago
is this a song or is she just reading a letter while, they play music in the backround?!
ForzzaFCH 10 months ago
@ForzzaFCH I was thinking the same thing.... This is not a "song"... Its a talk...
RazorRabidz 8 months ago
As an Irish-American, I can say that this song resonates with me. I wish I new my families history, but I don't. But when it comes to loneliness... I have an understanding that most people are glad they don't have. Fucking Erin Go Bragh. I could give a shit if some asshole doesn't like America or Irish-Americans. Fuck you. Some of us aren't about Guinness or shamrocks. SOME of us respect both our personal and family's history and that of our heritage. Not all of us our tourists. Remember that.
IITallikaII 10 months ago
17 people are retards. How can something like this song not be liked?
Dou8me 10 months ago
@Dou8me Because Rap isn't music
mookadada 9 months ago
here we go..
xoxgodofgodsgodxx 7 months ago
You have to understand that black people and Irish have fight to win in commun... that is the spirit of Gangsta rap;-)
ez3kiel6969 10 months ago
What do those black kids have to do with this song? It is supposed to be a gangsta rap? Love the song, but I have to agree the video is disappointing.
newpvids 10 months ago
@newpvids I think it has to do that the situation of young irish people that the song talks about is comparable to the situation of african americans in gettho's across the states. And ofcourse that this music style is distinctly from those Gettho's.
mdsatan 7 months ago
I'm sitting next to the guy who did the writing on this video. He is GLOWING with pride. Well done David.
Lovelyviewfromhere 10 months ago 2
A beautiful skyscraper can be built on top of a garbage heap. Love heals all wounds ...
tindorsaki 11 months ago
In 1992, Sinead ripped up a photo of the Pope on SNL as a protest against paedophilia in the Catholic Church and the complicity of the church hierarchy. It was viewed as an act of career suicide. Steamrollers crushed 100s of her CDs to huge cheers from protesters. She was laughed at, derided and parodied on both sides of the atlantic as an uptight feminist nutcase.
Now, knowing what we know about the church, isn’t Sinead O’Connor overdue a massive, grovelling apology from absolutely everybody?
festyosemtex 11 months ago 112
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@festyosemtex "...isn’t Sinead O’Connor overdue a massive, grovelling apology from absolutely everybody?" Not from me. I loved what she did then, and still do now.
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@festyosemtex
YEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!! She is. Great woman. Spoke about about all of his. I am a survivor of clerical abuse and thank Sinead speaking out despite being attacked for it. They kill the prophets ! K
Gullytale 10 months ago 29
@festyosemtex Eh no, she was expressing her own opinion. Same way we both are free to our own.
Babylolo181 3 months ago
@festyosemtex well fuckin said.
NaziZombieLover1 3 months ago
@festyosemtex For real. Everybody gets all up in arms over religion. Sinead is a poet. She's brilliant and never deserved the backlash she got back then....
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krazy4yellow67 11 months ago
eleanor :)
mfj88 11 months ago
Remembrance, grieving, knowledge, understanding. It's what my own country has to do to heal from the trauma of Slavery and Genocide.
mookins58 1 year ago 2
I'm really disappointed she didn't use the original version on Universal Mother. Also, what the heck is this video??? It's got nothing to do with the song. The lyrics are so vivid and specific -- why oh why not take advantage of that? Also, what happened to the Fiddler on the Roof background?
Disappointing.
rjanefio 1 year ago
Lyrics remind me of eleanor rigby...
MaSeoLeBron 1 year ago 4
@MaSeoLeBron what's with that?
linesdissectinglove 1 year ago
@MaSeoLeBron maybe reminds you of Eleanor be/c she's sampling "all the lonely people' in the background or bridge parts. hope that helps, kate
kabooki09 1 year ago
Part of the problem was potatoes was all the English poor had to eat at the time, so the government had an interest in the Irish exporting as much as possible, which they would do to keep money coming they needed to pay their rents, even though they might go hungry.
It's like Maine lobster-men today, they fish the nations lobsters, but can't afford to eat t hem themselves, because both the high cost of the product, and it is something they can sell to others to eat.
ysbaddaden2003 1 year ago 2
Nice Song- the Scotish got it also- Deported and Cleared
captkirkconnell 1 year ago
Sinead
A Strong, Talented, Beautiful, Feminine,
Woman with a fucking MASSIVE Capital "W"
Unlike these half naked muppetts that are being used to make money.
leopacio 1 year ago 2
@leopacio You said it Leo :-)
Gullytale 1 year ago
@Gullytale uuuh yeh
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JonetaDonsa 1 year ago
Now THIS is a song!
narutohiniatasasuke 1 year ago 3
"The most child like trusting people in the universe...." "And if there's ever going to be healing.... there has to be remembering, and then grieving. So that there then can be forgiving. There has to be knowledge and understanding." This song is also about abuse, in the context of The Famine and the ways to overcome the trauma of abuse, individually, communally - even globally. She emphasises forgiveness at the end, as this is the only way to healing. The other things must come first however.
Gullytale 1 year ago
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Gullytale 1 year ago
very good! I like.
SuPa767 1 year ago
So sad , but we are a great strong nation proud to be Irish .
brandonlovesmonkeys 1 year ago
OMG! Sinead O'Connor actually has hair in this video! Wait a minute, is that a damn wig? LOL
directconnection1969 1 year ago
For I was hungry, while you had all you needed. I was thirsty, but you drank bottled water. I was a stranger, and you wanted me deported. I needed clothes, but you needed more clothes. I was sick, and you pointed out the behaviors that led to my sickness. I was in prison, and you said I was getting what I deserved." Matthew 25: 41-43 (RESV -- Richard E. Stearns Version, from "The Hole in Our Gospel")
custardflan 1 year ago 2
I love Sinead, she´s all sincerity...
kleinerprinzle 1 year ago 2
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101101101777 1 year ago
I think this song is about more than just Ireland, as well. Interesting history lesson, I agree, too.
custardflan 1 year ago 4
@custardflan Agreed. The same recipe was applied to all Celtic nations. It was never about Countries or cultural identities clashing but simply about the strong/rich taking from the weak/poor. Now it's becoming global and institutionalized. Humans are getting commoditized.
ArBleizBZH 1 year ago 3
Too true Sinead
tirnaog09 1 year ago
nature created the patato crop failure
the english created the famine
40supple 1 year ago
my dad listens to irish music that annoys me but not with sinaed u rock
mnpennywise 1 year ago
Awesome Tune....She is one of the few Musicians that didn't sell out.....Isn't that right Bono!!
07Duffey 1 year ago
OMG ITS KURT!
zoe7003 1 year ago
All the lonely people
Where do they all come from
Electroclasher 1 year ago
I don't like French rap music, so I don't like the Irish rap either ! Even if the lyrics are interesting
femmedesbois04 1 year ago
..haha enough of this bullshit...the point is we are all masters of our own destiny yes ..but we all learn .nature and nurture.and continue to learn,nothing exists in a vacuum..but if youre history is rewritten.your memory stolen,your identity denied..your development is affected,your growth stunted..ur knowledge of who u r is undermined,..history and learning from it from past mistakes ,or past glories and understanding cause and effect is vital for progress ultimately..
monkeyboymacc 1 year ago
haha but how do you know he was yor grandfather ..for real..are you just going on what you been told.taught.would it make a difference ..change who you were ?? u see where im going ?..what if he wasnt and you found out youre real grandfather had been a great leader,thinker,rebel,scientist,poet,painter...something great before..it would change you psychologically...plant the seed you could achieve great things or answer a question within u...but if you found out he was an illiterate peasant ????
monkeyboymacc 1 year ago
@monkeyboymacc People is people and has nothing to do with his ancestors, just learns from the people he has beside him. So a discover like that could not change me. And im with you in that is always a mistake to erase the past. I only meant that past is like a tale that everyone tells as his own and nobody really knows. So live the present, be happy, build a good country and dont trust brits if you think its the right thing. But we should only judge the living people, no use judging dead men.
ramonthe3rd 1 year ago
on youtube ..letters from the irish famine..macker33..will give you a flavour of what happened ...it was a"silent"policy...there were too many poor ..they were believed to be surplus to requirements,in the way ..wealth english landowners upped the rent,kept the food..there was plenty of food and warehouses of grain under armed guard...has england suffered famine ?..geologically,climactically they are the same..no ..the main population were forbidden to be taught to read and write.made serfs
monkeyboymacc 1 year ago
big shout out to festy..yes it was precisely that comment and moreover that level of ignorance masquerading as realism."..what if they had taken the money and teach the children irish.who cares anyway?".that started the fire in the first place and had me typing a speed never before achieved..forbiding the language ,which was rich,lyrical and full of complex ideology and symbolism was a major part of a tactical game.but twas far more efficient to let the ungrateful *****die of "natural causes
monkeyboymacc 1 year ago
and mr ramonthe3rd if past dosnt matter,why r u the 3rd ?why not be the 1st..1&2 had no effect on you??to suggest that the systemic eradication of a peoples language ,cultural identity,values,freedom at gunpoint will have no effect on future generations or the psyche of a nation is sorely misguided... try telling that to an african american,a palestinian,or a jew ,,the survivors of the ethnic cleansing programs throughout history..its not an excuse but shes saying there has been repercussions
monkeyboymacc 1 year ago 2
@monkeyboymacc the first was my grandfather hahaha
there is a limit when past matters. I suggest three generations, I really met my grandpa and i know he was true.
ramonthe3rd 1 year ago
youre missing the point...shes not blaming the english now for what happened ..shes just putting forward a very plausible theory that what happens in the past effects today ...nothing exists in a vacuum ....the future is a mobile concurrency of past and present ...to suggest that an act as dramatic and violent as this ...millions died...has no bearing or relevance today is tomiss the point ...try telling that to a bosnian,a jew,a palestinian,,the indiginous populations of america and australia
monkeyboymacc 1 year ago
it happened ....i dont care much for the music within this but the lyrics are true ...all countries have acted atrociously toward their neighbours and in irelands case often to its own people but the history books have been censored and their has been bullshit,lies,spin,prejudice ,racism,hypocrisy surrounding this ...we all need tomove on but you cant do that very well unless you accept and acknowledge what happened...only then can you let it go...its perhaps very basic psychology but......
monkeyboymacc 1 year ago
the potato is not/was not native to ireland...it was introduced fromspain by the english "landlords" as a profit making enterprise and had the co-operation of wealthy irishlandowners and the church,a huge percentage of arable and agricultural land was turned over to this enterprise and yes,when the potato blight came all the good stuff,meat fish veg was shipped out and the people left to starve or given conversion incentives by the church..english parliamentarians said it was an irish problem
monkeyboymacc 1 year ago
why do the english take so long to admit what happened,you just need to look at the recent weeks events re:bloody sunday report...yes its in the past but atrocities such as this happened,and they must be acknowledged,understood and admitted then people can have their anger their hurt their deception assuaged and move on.there are calls from the english still today to germany and japan to apologise and acknowlege their crimes against humanity...but they are not very good at recognising their own
monkeyboymacc 1 year ago
this song is musically ugly as a nail across a blackboard. And she is talking about too much things to be true.
ramonthe3rd 1 year ago
@ramonthe3rd
"she is talking about too much things to be true."
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festyosemtex 1 year ago
@festyosemtex
haha i'll be glad! thank you. Yo, check it out, look at me im sinead im a rebel, i mix things together in a song and pretend they really make sense
ramonthe3rd 1 year ago
@ramonthe3rd
what doesn't make sense for you in the song?
festyosemtex 1 year ago
@festyosemtex
assuming so easily that this "famine" is the cause of todays alcohol and drug adicction, that forced priest to abuse children, even i think is forced to tell that this "famine" has any effect at all in the present days, besides a lot of irish decendents in america. I think she has no real idea of what happened then, but she speaks so sure of herself and i dont like this kind of people.
ramonthe3rd 1 year ago
@ramonthe3rd "assuming so easily that this "famine" is the cause of todays alcohol and drug adicction..."
I think Sinead would argue that 'the famine' was one of the louder examples of the brutal english colonialism which absolutly flattened the people of Ireland for 700 years or so
700 years of a social, economic and cultural oppression wouldn't drive you to drink? or have no effect on the Irish way of life/outlook at all? I think Sinead thinks it would. and I would agree with her.
festyosemtex 1 year ago
@festyosemtex
Also I dont get the "Eleanor Rigby" thing (just a trick, in my opinion, to make this sort of epic).
She talks like the world was a sequence of events that she could trace by her wish and that is impossible. And much more given that were talking about a timespan of a almost three hundred years.
And after all... what if they had taken the money and teach the children irish anyway??? who would have cared???
ramonthe3rd 1 year ago
@ramonthe3rd "And much more given that were talking about a timespan of a almost three hundred years."
Sinead is talking about the potato famine from 165 years ago. i think your thinking about an earlier famine, the one from 1740–41 perhaps.
so, 165 years ago - the famine still not a big deal?
HALF the population gone in 5 years. still not a big deal?
"what if they had taken the money and teach the children irish anyway??? who would have cared???"
what?
I mean, what?
all the best,
festy
festyosemtex 1 year ago
@festyosemtex Ys, i was talking about the potato famine, im sorry, im spanish and i dont know much of irish history. Maybe i missed the point there.
"what if they had taken the money and teach the children irish anyway??? who would have cared???" goes for the lyrics "They gave us money not to teach our children Irish"
I'd like to tell you that Irish Folk is my favourite music and i love many of their rebel songs, but when youre criticising, you have to do it rigth.
ramonthe3rd 1 year ago
@ramon
"...goes for the lyrics "They gave us money not to teach our children Irish"
Yes I know, what I was saying there is that you are missing the point, with your
"what if they had taken the money and teach the children irish anyway..." comment. You seem to be missing the point altogether with that comment. To a stupendous degree. My 'what?' comment was me trying to communicate how flabbergasted I was. THEY WERE WIPING OUT A CULTURE AND PUTTING IN THEIR OWN. Dont you get that?
festyosemtex 1 year ago
@ramonthe3rd
plus, along with my last 2 comments, I think you should read the comments by monkeyboymacc there. They give you an idea.
The song is a bit shit, but I don't think what Sinead is talking about in reference to the famine is untrue. I very much hope you don't either.
festyosemtex 1 year ago
@festyosemtex as for the alcoholism and drug adicction; thats a world wide problem and i think there's no cause for that. They're drugs, theyre addictive in itselves. That is all. In spain we had a war in 1939, my father didnt lived it. His generation and mine is a generation of alcoholics and junkies, probably bigger than irish ones and im not exagerating. Im sure English empire caused famine, but there are drunks and pedophile priests everywhere! ah, and my fave sinead album is sean nos nua!
ramonthe3rd 1 year ago
@ramon
I apologize for my last comment, after reading "Im sure English empire caused famine". But I think your missing something.
By the way you talk history has no relevance at all to personal state of the individual, who lives in an environment that frames and influences the individual, in an environment moulded by its past experiences, its history.
Griping on that drugs are addictive in any context, you seem to be missing the point.
festyosemtex 1 year ago
@ramonthe3rd
"Im sure English empire caused famine, but there are drunks and pedophile priests everywhere!"
Sorry this is turning harsh, but your missing the point again. I think it is because you don't have an idea of the status/presence the church had in this country, and how long back it goes. Do you not consider it possible that the 700 years of colonial oppression was not an influential factor in this state of affairs. monkeyboymacc adresses this in his comments
festyosemtex 1 year ago
@festyosemtex
yes, thats what i think. Years of oppresion has passed, now we are all "friends" in a European Union, have democracy, business together and freedom of speech and language, and human rights. If you said that you want back your six counties, i understand this, really. Thats completely different.
I mean: our president in spain paid the muslims last year money to apologize for when spanish reconquered spain back in 1492. Aint it pathetic?
ramonthe3rd 1 year ago
@ramonthe3rd Sorry ramon I don't want to fight with you to be honest, I will try to be as clear as I can. Without the presence of the colonial power in the history of Ireland, I very much doubt the institution of the church (and all the negative aspects which came with the institution) would have had such a powerful and twisted manifestation in this country. There would have been a big difference, in my opinion. from what I recall that was the point I was trying to make there.
festyosemtex 1 year ago
@festyosemtex
id like to ask you a question that has been in my mind a lot of time. Why the line of north ireland and south divides catholics and protestants? i mean, are they all practicant christians??? is hard to believe, because in my country we are 90% atheists. Whats the status of the church in ireland right now? youre right, i dont know anything about that.
ramonthe3rd 1 year ago
@ramonthe3rd The church is an awful lot weaker then it was. Especially with all the scandal. But you would be very surprised how many people here still support the Church. Personally I don't think the church here has any moral authority at all, and I am seriously worried for people who can't see that, who can't see the day to day hypocrisy/emptiness in the institution as it is/was represented here in Ireland.
festyosemtex 1 year ago
@ramonthe3rd "Why the line of north ireland and south divides catholics and protestants? i mean, are they all practicant christians??? is hard to believe, because in my country we are 90% atheists"
Im sorry Ramon I may give you a wrong answer on this because I may be misinterpreting what you are asking me.
Are you asking why there are so many religious people in Ireland?
Or are you asking me why there is/was a 'protestant vs catholic' mentality in the North?
festyosemtex 1 year ago
@festyosemtex sorry for my bad english! i was in fact asking both things. If the "protestant vs catholic" between ireland and the north is really about the church. It seems weird to me that everybody has such a strong faith in the western world (i mean, is a bit like al-qaeda, aint it?) just wanted to know that thanks!
ramonthe3rd 1 year ago
@ramonthe3rd Thats ok we all have bad english.
"If the "prot vs cath" between ire and the north is really about the church."
It is not directly about the church or which religion they have. Protestants in Northern Ireland make up around 53% of the population,Catholics 44% (according to recent census.) Protestants are predominantly unionists (they want N. Ireland to remain part of the UK), most Catholics are nationalists (they want a 'united Ireland',or to become apart of the Irish free state.)
festyosemtex 1 year ago
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krazy4yellow67 11 months ago
@ramonthe3rd Many Protestants trace their lineage back to English and Scottish 'Planters', who arrived in Ulster in the early 17th century to colonise land that had been confiscated from Gaelic clans as part of James I's scheme to 'pacify' the country.
Think of it as 'Protestants = English vs Catholics = Irish'. The religious identity comes into it in a big way from here, their 'allegiances' are identified through what religion they have. they attend different schools, live in
festyosemtex 1 year ago
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Continued:
different localities, and were treated differently historically, the Catholic segment treated badly/did not having that much civil rights in the past, which led to protests and antipathy towards the protestant contingent, which in turn led to a growing support for the IRA --e.g. you may have heard of Bloody Sunday, the anger from that brought alot of people to the IRA--). All the while religious types stoked the fire of hatred for the other
That is some of the baggage
festyosemtex 1 year ago
@ramon The problems u are referring to, with the church specifically, are probably the ones in the South.Once the English left the south there was very little seperation between Church and state for about 70 years. Bad stuff happened.The reasons the church had such a stranglehold on the country are complex, and to be honest Ramon,I don't think I have the facilities to describe them correctly. Lets just say their position and support was influenced somewhat by the presence of the colonialsts
festyosemtex 1 year ago
festyosemtex 1 year ago
@festyosemtex Like sineads sonfg was so much bette rthebn =that. I suck
festyosemtex 1 year ago
Fantastic! So true. Great song! Well done Sinéad. You say it.
tonymfahy 1 year ago
kurt cobain?
lotus2d 1 year ago
omg, this is a bad song, im doing a english exam on this x/
hmtxD 1 year ago
who's face is that at the 1:03 - 1:06 mark. It's actually really very quick. Definitely not Sinead.
EWLGtoday 1 year ago
good is make she does songs about history and not like other singers that just sing about women and money
23106895802 1 year ago
brillliant! love 4 you Sinead - she is amazing, truth teller through song
catalunarocks 1 year ago
so true ,respect 2 u Sinead , C.
150und 1 year ago
Just perfect woman.
Otetz05 1 year ago
Heroine is she, listening am I
PathocracyNow 1 year ago
Heroine is she, listening am I
PathocracyNow 1 year ago
she's the best IRISH talent...
she's the most GORGEOUS IRISH shaven head woman I've ever seen...i love her...
prettykiray 1 year ago 2
fucking stuff..
gespa95 1 year ago
I've learned a lot about the realities of the Irish Potato Famine from the people from England and Ireland that posted here on this video. As far as Ms Sinead, I think she's a musical version of Sasha Cohen. An attention whore. Vapid, insipid and drug addled.
Anncoulterforprez 1 year ago
I think it's kick ass that she tore up a picture of the pope.
The pope is just one MAN who has had too much control of too many people.
She has a beautiful voice and is talented...
A lot more than one could say about the HUMAN (not GODLY)-appointed pope.
heatherdumas 1 year ago 2
eleonor rigby??????????
kuchikiuri 1 year ago
Rap is as pleasurable as hitting yourself over the head with a hammer...
deenmon 1 year ago
Why'd she screw up, because she tore up a photo of the pope? The church and british domination over Ireland go hand and hand. She loved her country and had the guts to make a statement which costed her career. The fact "she screwed up" is a testament to her standing against the status-quo which eliminates freedom of expression. She did what artists are SUPPOSED to do, cause a stir. Maybe if she crossed over into the self-indulgent world of hip-hop she'd still be a success according to you
deenmon 1 year ago
ist hier einer aus meiner klasse der das lied als hausaufgabe hören sollte? =D
gez. gasgans
Nazgul2011 1 year ago
Wynona Rider and Sinéad O'Connor were the most beautiful women of the
80s and 90's but so screwed up.
RobGoth100 1 year ago
she reminds me of Wynona Rider
Summon256 1 year ago
yeah she really is and sometimes looking like Audrey Hepburn...did you watch her clip where she sang "In this heart"?? she looked exactly like Audrey Heppburn...so damn gorgeous woman
prettykiray 1 year ago
This is a banger! Hot damn! Hiphop to the rescue!
Sinhead comes out with another classic, from nowhere, as usual...these wannabee's they pimp to the kids need to get some inspiration: change the world, not just your paycheck.
oldhat999 1 year ago
can see why father ted took the piss . . . . .
sweetstinglover 1 year ago
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you southerners need to get over it .. you had a famine like 200 years ago and had british rule nearlly a 100 years ago and your stil crying about it ... and then the north has been trying to fight for independence and you call them ruthless thugs and stonethrowers .. idiots
R.IRA
niallmck 1 year ago
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A good englishman is a dead one.
upyerrzzz 1 year ago
this is like rap, cool, i've never saw sinead singing in this music style, i love her!
weather4hotmail 1 year ago 5
@weather4hotmail She recorded this 17 yrs ago, although this mix is a bit different from the album
westpalmscott 1 year ago
Wow, I am reading what is being thrown AT each other and I think that you are all missing the point. The famine went down in history books as a "terrible tagedy". This left it as an act of nature when it truly was an act of man and needs to written as such. This is a piece of history that has still reached into today. You can't heal without truth. And you can't have true change without knowledge. I think that is what she is trying to say. So don't make it worse with bickering. Try discussion
celticgracie 2 years ago 40
@celticgracie yup
gina888warhol1 1 year ago
@celticgracie The Almighty indeed sent the potato blight but the English created the famine... a million and half men, women and children were carefully, prudently and peacefully slain by the English government. They died of hunger in the midst of abundance which their own hands created.
John Mitchel
phoenix1916 1 year ago 3
What does basned mean from the lyrics?
I cant find it anyway.
That got itself basned in the face
LizBekah 2 years ago
"Bashed", beat, smash, crush.
Nymphicuz 2 years ago 3
is that Irish English? =)
LizBekah 2 years ago 3
Bashed= punched in the face, battered, beating up,
paddycbrennan 2 years ago
When was this song released?
MurnoGladst 2 years ago
1994
OlieOilova 2 years ago
About 6 months ago shortly after Sinead was released from rehab.
hiroguam 2 years ago
from as early as 1800 the british government was told by its own represenatives that ireland was heading for disaster due to reliance on the potato crop why didnt they do something then to help and change the situation why wait untill it was too late and they were shamed into helping by the eyes of the outside world. the english let the famine happen as a covert form of geneocide as indicated by trevelyns comments at the time.
sonofireland1 2 years ago
Listen,"sonofirelenad" in your own words I am a "daughter of Erin" and I get pissed off with people like you who prefer to make out we are fools and victims.You think the peasants all over europe and the mainland were "educated" or had masses of land to live on?no, they were not,but they did waht was necessary to change so they didnt starve.Fact is factions and religion again had a call on us so we took niether advice nor responsibility but carried on our own way to disaster.and be fair,
mrsapricot 2 years ago
i accept that it is possible that some refused help on religious grounds but do you really believe that at least 1 million people starved to death on religious grounds because i do not
sonofireland1 2 years ago
I think the figure is nearer to 1.2 million-its regarded as a holocaust
toonmag50 2 years ago 8
i prefer to call it genocide it was englands way of dealing with a thorn in their side i also find it interesting that over 1 million scots highlanders were forced to emigrate at the same time the scots also being a thorn in the english side
sonofireland1 2 years ago 24
interesting about the Gaelic Scots-one million as well.mmm. food for thought.
toonmag50 2 years ago 4
@sonofireland1 nature created the patato crop failure
the english created the famine
40supple 1 year ago
In my experience, people will do any old crap on religious grounds; it is the ultimate excuse for everything from flagellation and child abuse to out and out genocide. If you believe that a cleric is the representative of God then who are you to argue? some say love of money is the root of all evil but I say it is organised religion, for perverting mankind's lovely spirituality into politics and xenophobia.
mrsapricot 2 years ago 2
well said. A lot of people view a threat to religion as a threat to their spirituality. I used to view it in this way. It's not true. Spirituality and religion are completely separate, though related. Religion is a man-made institution, run for power, politics, special interests, and social control. Nothing more.
DancesWithLlamas 2 years ago 6
as the penal laws banned education of irish catholics the tenent famer in ireland didnt know anything else but how to grow potatos and even if they did as the area of land they had was so small the only crop they could grow enough of for themselves and their families to survive was the potato as for landlords being irish george bingham 3rd earl of lucan owner of 60000 acres and probably the most hated of the famine landlords due to his mass evictions was born in london making him english
sonofireland1 2 years ago
nice rappin
MrGnaes 2 years ago
Well travel back in time and take up your ISSUE with the people that made the decisions at the time. or grow up and move on!!!
brize9224 2 years ago
"hurting we?" and whats with stealing from The Beatles?
mrsapricot 2 years ago
smellycat -your figure of £200,000 from English people re the famine-may be -the Quakers did help. But Ireland lost £800,000 per year to English absentee landlords-In addition the Irish people paid 10% of their income to the Church of Ireland-which were non existant in the south and west.
On one occasion a widow who refused to pay caused the Cof I to call in troop who then killed 12 men who were protesting in support of her outside the house.
toonmag50 2 years ago
If you studied history instead of talking to imaginary friends, you'd know the figures. Why do you keep mentioning Quakers? and how do you in your infinite daydream propose the money was "lost"? Everyone in the British Isles paid a "tithe" to the church. Most of the landlords in the south were actually IRISH. As to your sad tale of the old biddy, did the troops skin her grandchildren and peg them on the fence? that's what was done to the children of a scottish tenant, before stealing his food.
smellycatinsocks2008 2 years ago
scat-the Irish paid twice-once too absentee landlords and again to the C of Ireland-who were also pretty absent in the South and West..The C of I were not their church anyway.
The storey is Irish- the C of I brought in troops as they wern't getting their cut.
Anyway you make a few interesting points. I withdraw my accusation of masonry
toonmag50 2 years ago
You're a strange lad, aren't you, young Toon? But I sense some promise under the bullshit. If you actually went to college you could really amount to something.
smellycatinsocks2008 2 years ago
Yeah, she's troubled. That does not make her wrong. My reading of that history is that it was a famine that did not have to occur... privilaged Irish conceded to British trade interests to perpetuate the famine... The later revelations that she was bi-polar stunned me, it made me question here Saturday Night Live performance more than this video. I think she is like Lauryn Hill. A genious, despite her troubles.
Romello4u 2 years ago
she is completely wrong about this. In fact, this video is totally incoherant, and the worst thing is that gullible idiots on here see her ranting her disjointed rubbish and take it as history, when really, it's like listening to the thoughts rushing through the head of a lace doily. Nobody wanted to "perpetuate the famine". Why would they? the blight hit the whole of Europe, although only for Ireland were there such incredible efforts expended in aid. 1848 was a year of revolution throughout
smellycatinsocks2008 2 years ago
Europe, because of the failure of this crop, but the effects were lessened overall and the life of the disease shortened because they followed simple advice. The North suffered less because the landlords there were predominantly English, and took better care of their tenants; meanwhile the mainly IRISH landlords of the south continued making money from exports, alternative seeds donated to the tenants as temporary alternatives
smellycatinsocks2008 2 years ago
were not used out of sheer bigotry, and the estate managers, who used them, were attacked, robbed and killed. Members of the British government were raising hell about the treatment of the tenants by the IRISH landlords, and pouring money in, although the rest of Britain was also affected - we also had poor people who depended on their land for food! In other words, this was an IRISH failure, but it is far more romantic (to the stupid) to blame others, than take any responsibility for it.
smellycatinsocks2008 2 years ago