@GoldenPigsy I think you misunderstand due to the wording. Reinforcement doesn't mean encouragement, it is simply adding backup for a particular behaviour. In this case, negative re-enforcement would be backing up negative emotions or desires to an undesirable behaviour. Like getting into fights in prison would take luxuries away, so it would be a negative reinforcement as the consequences for this action are negative.
@Nightmare060 That's punishment, not negative reinforcement, at least when worded as you did. Like our last discussion, we're walking into a semantic mine field here.
Negative reinforcement ought to reinforce good behavior, not bad.
@GoldenPigsy I don't think you understand what I'm talking about. Negative reinforcement only discourages a particular undesired behavior. Combined with positive reinforcement for good behavior, the person learns to go after the rewards of good behavior as well as avoiding the bad.
@Nightmare060@Nightmare060 I can tell. But my heavily earmarked and annotated copies of Beyond Freedom and Dignity and About Behaviorism suggest otherwise. Saying that negative reinforcement (thank you for spelling it correctly) "discourages" anything is a grammatical nightmare. Again: semantics are important to a discussion. I think that if you understand the concept (which you very well might), you're having trouble expressing it properly. Google "Negative Reinforcement University."
Negative can mean "bad," but it can also mean "absence" or "opposite." The negative of the presence of something bad is a reward, since it means the bad thing isn't there. The negative of the presence of something good is a punishment, since it means the good thing is missing.
@tifforo1 Yeah, that's what I'm getting at. A Negative reinforcement discourages bad behaviour because the outcome is undesirable for the person in question.
You appear to be correct, since an online psychology dictionary defines "negative reinforcement" in the following way: "Used in CONDITIONING as a way of eliminating a given response by punishing it.
What's the religion that would have Billy diagnosed with ADD, depression, whatever in order to give him a medically induced emotional lobotomy, rather then having to deal with actually raising a child? Is it Buddhism? o_O
@Arikiel When I used that example, I wasn't talking about any one specific religion. I was using it as a point about how simple punishment can be infective in teaching us what the right thing to do actually is.
My parents only knew how to hit and yell. If I was ever complemented it's was always backhanded. I know firsthand how much children crave positive reinforcement. I actually was a well-behaved child but I was lost among my siblings with stronger personalities. Honestly I was treated well compared to my siblings but only because I was terrified of being punished so I avoided my parents like the plague. Now the wonder why we don't have a relationship.
As a kid I was told why I was being punished & that if I did it again I would get a worse punishment. I was slapped and made to work off my damage. Guess what I never did that action or any like it again & grew up a respectful & rounded person. Lets do what Nightmare060 wants & lets never punish anyone again, yay I am sure we would have a blissful world! People like you getting into jobs in education & punishment is one of the reasons why the country is going to pot.
@Faeden Once again you fail to listen to more than 5 seconds of an argument so you can straw-man my position and ignore everything I've said. Punishment alone is not good enough, as numerous supernanny TV shows have shown, there needs to be a clear set of rewards and consequences for actions to encourage good behaviour.
@Nightmare060 LOL! Like when you did not ignore my quote from a young offenders criminal behaviour expert? Like you not ignoring my point/fact that this kind of behaviour was not happening 80 years ago? I have finished with you, I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent. Good day to you sir.
@Faeden You also love throwing logical fallacies around it seems. Appeal to Authority, Quote-Mining, Straw-Man arguments, appeal to tradition, foundational bias. And not a shred of actual evidence to back it up!
@ilovegaming404 Finally someone got the reference I've been putting on so many videos XD. Glad you liked it! Finding out why people adopt certain behaviours is one reason I love psychology :3.
Negative refers to taking something away. Positive is adding something, Punishment discourages behavior. Reinforcement encourages it.
CNETZebur 1 month ago
You want to negatively reinforce bad behavior? You want to negatively *reinforce* bad behavior?
GoldenPigsy 7 months ago
@GoldenPigsy I think you misunderstand due to the wording. Reinforcement doesn't mean encouragement, it is simply adding backup for a particular behaviour. In this case, negative re-enforcement would be backing up negative emotions or desires to an undesirable behaviour. Like getting into fights in prison would take luxuries away, so it would be a negative reinforcement as the consequences for this action are negative.
Nightmare060 7 months ago
@Nightmare060 That's punishment, not negative reinforcement, at least when worded as you did. Like our last discussion, we're walking into a semantic mine field here.
Negative reinforcement ought to reinforce good behavior, not bad.
GoldenPigsy 7 months ago
@GoldenPigsy I don't think you understand what I'm talking about. Negative reinforcement only discourages a particular undesired behavior. Combined with positive reinforcement for good behavior, the person learns to go after the rewards of good behavior as well as avoiding the bad.
Nightmare060 7 months ago
@Nightmare060 @Nightmare060 I can tell. But my heavily earmarked and annotated copies of Beyond Freedom and Dignity and About Behaviorism suggest otherwise. Saying that negative reinforcement (thank you for spelling it correctly) "discourages" anything is a grammatical nightmare. Again: semantics are important to a discussion. I think that if you understand the concept (which you very well might), you're having trouble expressing it properly. Google "Negative Reinforcement University."
GoldenPigsy 7 months ago
@Nightmare060
Negative can mean "bad," but it can also mean "absence" or "opposite." The negative of the presence of something bad is a reward, since it means the bad thing isn't there. The negative of the presence of something good is a punishment, since it means the good thing is missing.
tifforo1 5 months ago
@tifforo1 Yeah, that's what I'm getting at. A Negative reinforcement discourages bad behaviour because the outcome is undesirable for the person in question.
Nightmare060 5 months ago
@Nightmare060
You appear to be correct, since an online psychology dictionary defines "negative reinforcement" in the following way: "Used in CONDITIONING as a way of eliminating a given response by punishing it.
tifforo1 5 months ago
What's the religion that would have Billy diagnosed with ADD, depression, whatever in order to give him a medically induced emotional lobotomy, rather then having to deal with actually raising a child? Is it Buddhism? o_O
Arikiel 7 months ago
@Arikiel When I used that example, I wasn't talking about any one specific religion. I was using it as a point about how simple punishment can be infective in teaching us what the right thing to do actually is.
Nightmare060 7 months ago
My parents only knew how to hit and yell. If I was ever complemented it's was always backhanded. I know firsthand how much children crave positive reinforcement. I actually was a well-behaved child but I was lost among my siblings with stronger personalities. Honestly I was treated well compared to my siblings but only because I was terrified of being punished so I avoided my parents like the plague. Now the wonder why we don't have a relationship.
cherubicwindigo 7 months ago
You think Billy is stupid
As a kid I was told why I was being punished & that if I did it again I would get a worse punishment. I was slapped and made to work off my damage. Guess what I never did that action or any like it again & grew up a respectful & rounded person. Lets do what Nightmare060 wants & lets never punish anyone again, yay I am sure we would have a blissful world! People like you getting into jobs in education & punishment is one of the reasons why the country is going to pot.
Faeden 8 months ago
@Faeden Once again you fail to listen to more than 5 seconds of an argument so you can straw-man my position and ignore everything I've said. Punishment alone is not good enough, as numerous supernanny TV shows have shown, there needs to be a clear set of rewards and consequences for actions to encourage good behaviour.
Nightmare060 8 months ago
@Nightmare060 LOL! Like when you did not ignore my quote from a young offenders criminal behaviour expert? Like you not ignoring my point/fact that this kind of behaviour was not happening 80 years ago? I have finished with you, I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent. Good day to you sir.
Faeden 8 months ago
@Faeden You also love throwing logical fallacies around it seems. Appeal to Authority, Quote-Mining, Straw-Man arguments, appeal to tradition, foundational bias. And not a shred of actual evidence to back it up!
Nightmare060 8 months ago 2
@ilovegaming404 Finally someone got the reference I've been putting on so many videos XD. Glad you liked it! Finding out why people adopt certain behaviours is one reason I love psychology :3.
Nightmare060 8 months ago
I am one of the new subs from Lacis charity drive, glad that I did sub now :D
wildste 8 months ago
@wildste Glad to know you're enjoying my vids :3.
Nightmare060 8 months ago
I work in an ABA school, so I hear you dude!
ihateirony 8 months ago