ERW - Worlds first carbon/Kevlar light-weight tire!

[chemicalsweet13]

very cool video. The bounce frightens me a bit especially for cornering with obstacles like small rocks, rumble strips etc. but obviously on a very cool track with the design.

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@chemicalsweet13 !/12" tall sidewall was as low as we could go. The bouncy hoop has been re engineered patent #3 filings #4 and #5.and is tunable by its own internal dynamic tension, "coiled carbon rods", membrane tension, vacuum boost or both. These early tests really encouraged us, can you imagine if Goodyear was to help bring our ERW to the market with all their "skills".

[chemicalsweet13]

@EnergyReturnWheel I truly do hope that you will garner some support from Goodyear or a like company to bring this to market. Alas, in the innovation stifling environment we have now that might be too much to ask for. Whenever one brings a game changer to the table like what you've done they are also bringing an "agreement changer" and large corporations who make grand sums of money from the status quo tend to dislike "agreement changers". What you have here is the future.

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@chemicalsweet13 Thank you! Its a very long journey so to be defended/believed in means alot.

[chemicalsweet13]

@EnergyReturnWheel put me down as your first customer! :)

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@chemicalsweet13 Thanks! Looks like bicycles will be first. Videos coming soon.

[KZWolf]

You CANNOT use this data it is INCORRECT! To properly test something you need Control Group (Standart Tire) and Test Group (ERW) plus same surroundings (car, suspencion, STONE and etc). To do something legimetly it has to be LEGIT, you can not present a test that is totally different from the other. You have nothig to compare here.

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@KZWolf What data? We are just running over a stone. We did not care if the stone was broken or not. We are showing some cushion and a little too much bounce for ERW.

[KOvalOfficeA]

the second stone is broken in half...



[EnergyReturnWheel]

@KOvalOfficeA ERW accended without moving the pieces. We are just showing the first 18Hg." vacuum charged ERW hitting something the same height as the 1.5" sidewall height. We were unable to show traction layer prior to patent filings.

[excelephant]

@EnergyReturnWheel I've said before, patents don't mean it actually does what you claim, it just means you own the particular design and/or process. Youtube views mean even less as you can get a heap of views from people who think your product is rubbish, the fact that you think Youtube views have anything to do with the veracity of your claims says a lot about your goals and intentions for your design, ie. you seem to be more interested in creating hype than actually delivering on your claims.

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@excelephant You said we had "less" attention than Tweel. We proved you wrong. Youtube rules because it provides information and views not always available.It has even given you the chance to belittle what you may/do not understand.The "hype" for you comes when a question is asked and you do not like the answer. Utility patents are more than design patents/ processes. For sure you do not know what we have filed but we know you already do not like it.

[excelephant]

@EnergyReturnWheel Actually, you were the one complaining about Tweel receiving more industry attention when you whined about it being on the cover of Time magazine instead of ERW. I haven't set out to belittle your product, in fact I have applauded your initiative on more than one occasion. I just don't like people who feel the need to hype up their products to be better than they are by not answering simple questions with simple answers for fear of being exposed as bullshit artists.

[utubedude3196]

whats the difference this video shows nothing

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@utubedude3196 A composite hoop ERW charged with a 18 Hg. "inches of mercury" "vacuum" behaving much like a pnu. ERW sidewall is only 1.5" accending 1.5" stone. We were impressed with the hoops flexability but were put to task to reduce the composite hoop bounce. Anti bounce is our direction.

[taschentiger]

So I was curious about the noise levels you're getting... Wouldn't they be much higher than on regular wheels, especially at high speeds?

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@taschentiger No it is the opposite. Tire bodys resonate sound like a drum enhanced by pressurized air. Our hoops allow for the removal of air pressure IE a "partial vacuum" dramatically reducing noise and vibrations.

[StevenPalomo]

Do you have any idea when a prototype could be available to test for those interested? I have been interested in new ways of building a wheel ever sense Michelin's Tweel concept was put on Youtube 5 years ago. Looks like you have put a lot of work into this and between Bridgestone and Michelin airless tire concepts, your product is far superior and further developed. Looking forward to future videos.

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@StevenPalomo Thanks, we filed #1 patent in 2002 issued 2004 and were a little depressed that Michelin Tweel "no patent" made the cover of Time mag. in 2005. Even back then ERW was very much more efficient than pnu. and the Tweel never was. We have moved to bicycles and have stunning new protos that are impressing. We are shooting video.

[P71CVPI07AZ]

Tires of the future.. Have any of the major tire manufacturers shown interest ?

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@P71CVPI07AZ Sad to say NO. Offers of "free" testing have been refused. U.S.D.O.T., U.S.D.O.E., General motors, Ford, Goodyear, Michelin. However.... several foreign countrys have started up development groups to explore mfg. of ERW. There is no U.S.A. interest...Zero. Quite a state of affairs! Shows we are upto something rather BIG.

[P71CVPI07AZ]

@EnergyReturnWheel That is sad.. I bet your gas mileage would increase with these tires... And anything in this country that can give you better gas mileage seems to scare the crap out of the oil co. Behind the scenes even though all the auto co. talk about going green, and even make hybrid cars. It's oil that drives this country and always will, at least for a few more decades. Plus what does it take to make conventional tires ? Oil ! I hope your invention takes off, and you make it big..

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@P71CVPI07AZ Thanks, Its more than the 50% rolling resistance that has them spooked. Horsepower and torque increases to the ground plus double digit drive train efficiencies through "screw" force accumulation / return. There is already "billions" spent on "new" tires every year.. makes little sense to shake up such a large well controled industry. Billions in tax revenues from gas taxes are perhaps at work as well. ERW tech. is already around the globe so delay ultimatly costs USA "billions".

[fedtmuleerik]

I would rather a bowl of my own shit than drive a car with such wheels.

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@fedtmuleerik We would not like to call your bluff. We would rather work to earn your respect over time. These early protos have no rubber wedges off the curve or traction layer. We were having to wait until our # 4 and #5 patents were filed before we could show/discuss more advanced models. youtube is public disclosure and can limit claim allowance in certain countrys. You must really like your tires!

[THENOXG]

@fedtmuleerik i bet you work at your local "oil company"

[fedtmuleerik]

@THENOXG I'm studying to become a raceengineer.

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@fedtmuleerik Critical thinking will seperate You from the pack. It is good to rethink old ideas and give new ones a chance. We have found that the secret is not just that the hoop is "sprung" by a membrane but the highly curved hoop itself can be a suspension unit by adding holes and matching slits.... it can become many "bows". We then use Kevlar straps attached to the pulls to span the hoop and act as "bow strings". New bicycle tech. to be applied to autos. Much success to you!

[carveriscool]

Nice 2.5rs in the background.

[AznGothic]

I think the concept is pretty cool but your first test of rolling over a rock is a bit flawed. The one on the right is already broken. Obviously it wouldn't make the rock tilt if its already broken. Perhaps do another vid test showing the ERW tire on an unbroken rock?

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@AznGothic You missed the point of the video.This ERW proto has a 1.5" sidewall height hitting a 1.5" stone. The stone was previously broken by the PNU., the ERW steps over without disturbing the pieces.

[Scamdal]

Have you tested it scuffing curbs? and going up curbs at angles? It also looks like it would be really rough at high speed.

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@Scamdal Our highly flexable carbon nano tube infused carbon fiber / Kevlar hoops are formed off of "ball" shaped forms. This allows for the outboard Kevlar bound rubber wedges to provide "pot hole" and curb protection... a harder center for rolling... wedges forced to the ground for aggressive manuvering.

[yixphil]

have you guys tested on racing cars?

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@yixphil We have been combining the "best" of developed protos for racing. ERW is much more responsive than the "balloons" of yesteryear . Instead of sidewalls ERW is connected/centered by equal force from opposite directions throughout 360 degrees. The drawn membrane allows for rotation return and can displace latterally ...all under the 360 degrees of control. The outer hoop is generating an "event horizon" meaning suspension happens between the wheel and ground, less suspension travel.

[yixphil]

@EnergyReturnWheel then can you upload a video of it so we can see how much of a success its been?

[DejaVu8]

it would have such a rough ride

[dooderek]

do you have any videos of these tires cornering at high lateral g's? i track for a small time racing company, and would be interesting in these tires if they were to improve lateral/linear grip

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@dooderek They will do just that. However we are not able to release video of this testing at this time.

[1991araaron]

@EnergyReturnWheel dont forget us two wheel guys.

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@1991araaron We are currently working towards Motorcycle wheels. and what a COOL difference they will make when you lean it over... the hoop will flex laterally over the bumps which is a major limitation of a motorycle at high speeds because the rear and front shock are useless under heavy lean.

[excelephant]

@EnergyReturnWheel Jesus, you know even less about motorbikes than cars!! I wouldn't have thought that was possible!

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@excelephant Who are you and what have you done to qualify as the "expert" in every field? We have noticed that you are unable to understand where we are headed with ERW. Thats cool. Not everyone will like or understand what we are doing.

[excelephant]

@EnergyReturnWheel When you use quotation marks around a word, like "expert", it indicates a direct quote, I have never claimed to be an "expert" in any field. I am, however, a keen student of several disciplines of science, particularly physics and engineering. Just because I don't agree with your deliberately cryptic answers doesn't mean I don't understand them. You need to understand the difference between belittling and being sceptical. I am the latter but with a finely tuned bullshitometer.

[rccardude04]

How does the thinner, presumably less pliable contact patch cope with providing good adhesion at high slip angles?

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@rccardude04 Excellent question! We have developed a highly curved hoop that we add lateral and medial Kevlar wound rubber wedges that are forced to the ground during hard cornering increasing psi. to surface. We are also pioneering a new type of "micro linear" traction layer for Gecko like traction on virtually any surface.

[rccardude04]

@EnergyReturnWheel I'm not sure I understand "highly curved hoop" but it sounds like the wedges act almost like finite elements able to respond individually to different internal (and possibly external?) stresses, allowing for deformation at least similar to that which can be achieved with sidewall deformation combined with the pneumatic pressure behind the tread layer. Pretty innovative! My initial impression was that this wasn't thought through very well but your answer intrigues me. Thanks!

[SidedriverDotCom]

I like it. Keep up the fight!

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@SidedriverDotCom Thank yoU!

[jimhemstreet]

I don't get it? Why is the ERW better than a regular pneumatic tire?

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@jimhemstreet Our designs are under Negative pressure. An amazing breakthrough in tire technology. They are serviceable and WE believe they are the next generation of bolt on solutions for vehicles for any application.

[jimhemstreet]

@EnergyReturnWheel Okay. So why is negative pressure better? It seems like the ERW is more ridged than a traditional tire, putting less rubber in contact with the road surface and transferring more energy to the axle. Is there any performance benefit to it, or is it a purely cosmetic upgrade? If so, I think the P1 looks alot better than the P2. You might consider going after the 'pimp my ride' crowd. These remind me of 'spinner' rims. Not useful, but you see a lot of them because they look cool.

[chair5432]

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and could someone please explain why we do not see these on cars driving down the road on a daily basis?

Airless tires generally have higher rolling friction and provide much less suspension than similarly shaped and sized pneumatic tires. Other problems for airless tires include dissipating the heat buildup that occurs when they are driven.

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@chair5432 Well with any invention it is a Huge, undertaking to bring it to market. The tire industry is huge! and has conventional thinking applied to it from Start to Finish. We are aiming to change the tire industry a great deal, yet trying our best to design a product that can be distributed and serviced using conventional methods and industries already in place allowing for maximum use and cost effectiveness.

[maxhax2000]

how safe are they should be the biggest question, what happins when on highway and hit something at 70mpr, is the tire gona bounce everywhere loos traction, or possible explode into million pieces of bolts and crap. but anyways how safe are they, lets see some videos of where u 60-0mpr with some regular high end tires, vs these super overly expensive tires. i bet regular tires out perform these. look at drag race tires for example. they wrinkl and flex under pressure, these can never do that.

[DeepSouthMusicc]

the rock with the erw tire rolling over it had a crack in it thant why it didnt come off the ground but the other rocks didnt have a crack in it #im not stupid

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@DeepSouthMusicc This was a basic test etc... but the Rock moving is not the goal of the video. Please view the Wheels and cars movement over the Obstacle and dropping off of the obstacle. This shows the power of the ERW>

[Video85Man]

so how come i don't see these tires in stores ???! how come this isn't BIG yet??

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@Video85Man The tire business is a very controlled one. We are Gaining steam and testing and designing away.

[Scientist9221]

that doesnt mean anything, I am studying vehicle dynamics and tyre , you can't fool me!

[corotor12345]

@Scientist9221

Thank you! Another smart skeptic that doesn't suck this guy's bollocks just cause he can use overly complex terms for what is nothing more than an overly complex and ridiculous idea.

[den2003]

THe P2s seem like an attempt to cover the ugly bolts many object to without ending-up looking like a regular tyre, only now we need to get a vacuum pump and check that pressure. Over complication for what is really a consumable product. Sorry, but I think i prefer Michelin's Tweels, as they as least seem to be designed to be mass produced and disposable, once the tread wears down, not to mention the movable contact patch.

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@den2003 IN fact there are NO bolts in the P2.



[den2003]

I don't get these wheels. Correct me if I'm wrong, but P1's seem to be heavy and burdened with a lot of moving parts and then there's the immovable contact patch. I know car makers make all sorts of compromises when engineering but I would assume they did so based on pneumatics. Also, many seem to have issues with all those bolts showing. They seem to require periodic adjustments! I believe the real reason the P2 model came to be was to hide those bolts from view, alongside the weight reduction

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@den2003 P2 weighs the same as a normal Tire Wheel combo from any performance tire center.

[TheUnNerved]

One question... can I roast em?

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@TheUnNerved YOu can.

[godrilla]

Makes no sense..

[galactikean]

Any plans for a bullet proof military version?

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@galactikean Most likely this is a very very good use for our wheel. We are designing Kevlar parts and hope for a completely run - flat with negative pressure Wheel for Military use someday to help save our men and women from Changing a tire in a battle situation.

[bertman668]

@galactikean thye honeycomb tire is a way better design for military application, no parts to go wrong with, no air to vacuum out or put in, and its completely runflat

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@bertman668 Not a bad design, however Our ERW Military version is wrapped in and under negative pressure using KEVLAR FIBERs and are a very good option for durability and rough and tumble conditions.

[kirksegafan]

vacuum charged wheel sweet!! Notice the pnu tire tips the stone, the erw seems to step over it. Any one see that chasis bounce on the pnu? What outher benifits will negative pressure provide?

[corotor12345]

@kirksegafan

That's because the ERW does not deform under load, which is actually detrimental to grip... Formula 1 tires deform greatly in order to maximize the contact area with the asphalt. I have a trained I so what I noticed and you didn't, was a ERW that bounced, flew, bounced again, and then regained grip. The pneumatic tire was more in contact with the ground the whole time, now THAT is a safer ride, becuase it lets you brake and steer instead of navigating while airborne into something.

[corotor12345]

@corotor12345

eye* a trained eye.

[kirksegafan]

@corotor12345 First off, psi is the source of grip not tire deformation. Has your trained eye ever seen a snow tire? Or maybe your trained eye noticed the extra chassis bounce with the pnu? Bouncing car bodies sounds a lot less safe.

[corotor12345]

@kirksegafan

SOUNDS a lot less safe. A bouncing chassis is uncomfortable, but what really matters is if the tire is touching the ground, or else you lose your only medium to control the car. Tire pressure determines how much it will deform under variable loads. If you're going to argue, make use of reason.

[kirksegafan]

@corotor12345 Your watching the hoop displace over the impediment, with a thin traction layer. (No tread block.) A curved hoop give the illusion of not touching the ground while maintaining traction. The wheel gives him control at first and last contact when he steps over and off the stone instead of bouncing across it. just such a cool idea I wish you felt the same.

[corotor12345]

@kirksegafan

What do you mean? It's not about what illusion it gives... I can clearly see the ERW bouncing. It's something I've learned by tuning my own wuad's suspension, and by reading a lot about mechanics. Why do you insist on defending this idea?

[kirksegafan]

@corotor12345 hitting the impediment charges the wheel producing additional lift and rotation. because the hoop is levered to the ground by the inner wheel the membrane will deliver a near constant pressure, what you look at as bounce is the suspension system forcing the ERW to the ground. Its doing exactly what its supposed to do. You clearly don't get it, I truly believe in the ERW.

[corotor12345]

@kirksegafan

Dude, you've got no ground here... it's obvious that by now you're only arguing because you care too much to lose. The additional weight and the high rate of the shock absorbing inner hub are hinder the ERW's ability to maintain contact with the ground. No matter how much you want to blame it on the suspension, the only solution would be to retune the dampers and augment the spring rate, and that still doesn't help much. It's bouncing while the other is gripping, case closed.

[kirksegafan]

@corotor12345 Case closed? Look at the size difference, the ERW's competing with a larger tire. Big tire's are way more efficient, let's see the pnu go over something that matches the hight of the sidewall like the ERW did! Riddle me this corotor, why do they only post videos of ERW's competing against much larger tire's? I prove you wrong you change the subject... What's next?

[corotor12345]

@kirksegafan

Change subject? I haven't changed subject, I'm just done arguing with you. If you have the need to assume that it's because you're right and I couldn't come up with anything else, go ahead... but I invite you to visit my channel and take a look at the sort of videos I watch, and the sort of person I am. Maybe then you'll understand that getting bored is not changing the subject. I need not prove myself to you, i only reply to you so that you're well informed.

[kirksegafan]

@corotor12345 I have looked into the sort of "person" you are, your #1 for negative remarks on ERW's videos, no not just ERW most of the internet. Your ramblings are proof you argue with no intent for truth. Russell's patent's are in multiple fields, this man's a REAL mechanical genius. Maybe you should have studied physics at Oxford instead of wasting my time for the last week.

[corotor12345]

@kirksegafan

Negative remarks on bullshit yes. You'd have to see how optimistic I am about other creations. What you see here is a more complicated way of achieving the same thing. And I was too young to study physics in Oxford. Wasting your time? You decided to invest it in arguing out of thin air... I cannot begin to address how utterly stupid that statement is and on how many levels. Ramblings? Because I've pissed off one or two religious bastards? Come on, grow up a little.

[galactikean]

@corotor12345 Its a stretch to say it lost traction. I saw no day l under there.

[corotor12345]

@galactikean

No it's not a stretch, grip is a matter of milliseconds. If you can keep the wheel stuck to the asphalt for a fraction of a second more than the competition, you're well on your way to victory. How can it be that nobody sees the freakin tire glide sky high and then bounce before regaining traction? Do you know anything about wheel dynamics?

[galactikean]

@corotor12345 The front wheel seems to be a tighter tune I.E. for performance. The rear wheel is tuned for cushioning. Strongly suggesting its tunability.

[corotor12345]

@galactikean

That would oversteer, and all manufacturers tune their cars to understeer. Check your facts again... I'm kind of getting tired of having to explain why I don't like this idea.

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@galactikean This is true the front was an Early prototype and the rear was a lighter and it was tuned for more give.

[corotor12345]

@EnergyReturnWheel

Oh yeah, that's right, the suspension had nothing to do. So he hands you what seems like an escape argument, and you immediately and desperately buy into it? Damn, scam artists like you are so pathetic and predictable. I mean, it's not just what you say, it's how you say it and that bullshit face you have that just SCREAMS "this guy is pulling your legs".

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@corotor12345 Although we appreciate your stance, it bares very little logic as we have nothing currently for sale and are not asking for anything in this video.

[corotor12345]

@EnergyReturnWheel

That's right, "CURRENTLY". You said it yourself.

[EnergyReturnWheel]

corotor! Correct!

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@kirksegafan We think this is a cool idea too!

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@corotor12345 Review the videos again.

[EnergyReturnWheel]

@kirksegafan Longer lasting components, Adjustability and more!