they scrapped a little bit... there was no fight to the death... no unnecessary killing going on right? Take notes mankind... you think you're the civilized one but think again. There is more civility and respect in nature than there is in man's "civilization."
@StSimonMartyr Wow, So you are the one who stated hunter don't take does, now you say it is normal practice. And you say I fail at logic, when you expect to show a reason how hunters taking more deer in any single state then the whole wolf population does nationwide but the decline in numbers is because of wolves. You have failed not only at logic, but apparently also math. I would ask for you to use facts in your arguments, but we all know your arguments go completely against the facts.
@ksnokoose why don't you go look at some of the pictures of the cow elk that have have the unborn fetus ripped out of its ass hole by wolves, eaten, and then the cow elk left to die. Not to mention 4 out of 5 wolves carry Echinococcus granulosus
@sneakyfellow so lets get this straight, wolves have hunted deer for centuries, your ancestors didn't even know the world was round or even about this continent until less then 600 years ago. the deer didn't go extinct with even higher populations of wolves hunting, but the problem is the wolves, not the humans who kill, unnecessarily, more deer and elk per year the wolves do in a decade? And unlike humans, the wolves can't buy meat at a grocery store. Your logic sure showed me.
@ksnokoose I don't suppose the Massive expansion of man would have something to do with that. When you build cities across the country and fill the air with chemicals, and have cars traveling across the country 24/7 it crowds the wildlife a bit, once we interfered with nature we put the job upon ourselves to manage it... Dumbass
@sneakyfellow OK, so I am understanding right, we were talking about how wolves are the reason for declining deer numbers and not people. I point out to you where you argument can't hold water, now you try to change the argument so you can pretend your logic hasn't failed. Don't be angry with me because you pulled some false idea out of your butt only to make you look like a fool. I didn't put your foot in your mouth, I am just here to be sure you savor the flavor.
@sneakyfellow also, you may want to include most wild animals have worms, the common term for the big word you threw out to scare people and even domestic animals and humans can contract them from what they eat. Another important fact, wolves do not leave animals too die, they commonly eat carcasses, and will trail an animal to where it dies to feed because in nature, unlike with human hunters, nothing goes to waste.
@ksnokoose Nothing goes to waste?!? what do you call the numbers of cow elk left to die after the fetus has been eaten, or how about the elk that are driven into rivers trying to escape that starve or drown to death. Youre a typical ignorant fool that knows nothing about the environment and probably lives nowhere near an area that wolves inhabit, cause if you did you would know they are a BIG problem.
@sneakyfellow Oh that is right, when an animal dies in the wild it decomposes without other animals eating, the wolves coyotes, buzzards, fish, bears, and a whole slew of other animals that feed off those are carcasses only do that in the movies huh. And BTW, I do live in an area where there are wolves, coyotes, mountain lions and bears. The difference is, I haven't been fed a line of BS by those around me and actually look at facts and research things. You may want to try that.
@ksnokoose I have, and i have also learned that you are a fool and its a damn good thing that we have people with common sense, if it were up to you we would be in serious shit.
@sneakyfellow OK, what have you learned, state the sources of your facts, show us where you get your support for your arguments. If you are half as well informed as you claim, this should be easy for you. Show us how you have gotten this so called common sense. As for me, I have stated some sources, and have a vast list of more sources backing my side of this argument. All them viewable by anyone.
@sneakyfellow You should read my previous posts. I did get the deleted comment where you attempted to show proof I was wrong (guess youtube emails your comments faster then you can delete them) so I am sharing the address minus the web stuff part, so just search it, you will get right to the article on the 2010 Idaho FG report. magicvalley.c o m/news/local/wood-river/article 64d3fe91-1afd-5794-b5a0-62129c6f11ca
@sneakyfellow or is it because of these quotes from the article "Wolves have long been blamed for elk deaths in Idaho. But research is showing the predators have gotten a bum rap" or "the report showed that hunters were the biggest cause of elk kills in 2 areas of declining population" or "No predator has ever eliminated its food". The fact is humans and their impact are the biggest causes of declining Elk populations, not wolves, and there are numerous studies to back that fact up
that article was not a reliable source so i removed it but regardless, whenever i see wolves i shoot shovel and shutup no matter what laws say now or in the future wolves are a problem and i will continue to kill them.
@sneakyfellow This is the same as the previous, using the single excerpt from the report to try to show their side of the argument. Go figure, you found 2 anti wolf groups who say wolves are bad. At least now we understand your ignorance, you only researched one side of the argument and took what they said as gospel. If that report is correct, Funny the anti wolf groups haven't mentioned the part about hunters causing the decline in 2 zones.
@sneakyfellow ah yes, take a few excerpts from a report, posted on a hunting website to prove a point by not using the whole report. If you had actually read the report, you would have found that was the only zone in Idaho that the decline was blamed on wolves, 2 of the zones where there was a decline the blame was on human hunters. The rest of the zones non predatory problems, ie starvation disease, etc, as the reason for decline. Maybe you should actually read the report.
@sneakyfellow Well, the article you listed gave a 404 error on the paper's website, so I searched for any article with the word wolf, wolves, and elk, all that came up was an article on the wolf being delisted as endangered. Which has nothing to do with the argument that wolves are the cause of elk and deer population declines. And so far the only thing I have seen from you is trying to use a single excerpt from a report that shows hunters are actually the greater problem. So????
@ksnokoose so youre choosing to ignore facts i guess, the 3 articles i listed should be very informative, and they are 3 more records than you have listed.
@sneakyfellow the articles you posted, at least the 2 of them that show wolf impact on elk population, reference the same report I have listed, read, and asked you to read. I understand your fear of actually reading the report, or links in my posts. It must trouble you greatly to know how wrong you are and by just not reading the report, which even your articles mention, you can remain happily ignorant and pretend you are right. I guess I shouldn't expect anything less from you.
@sneakyfellow go back 2 days ago, where i pinted out you deleted your link, I removed the web portion, but if you had actually read my reply, you would have know that. that is why this time I simply reversed the text.
@ksnokoose your nuts, its the hunters dollar that pays for managing herds, everything from the license, the tag, and even donations to hunting conservation groups. The other thing i find hilarious is that when hunters kill, and i know occasionally there are hunters that are incredibly unethical in the way they hunt, but most of the time its a clean efficient kill. Wolves kill and or leave elk horribly wounded, they also carry hydatid disease that spreads and kills even more game.
@sneakyfellow Ah yes, using big words for worms again are we, the wolves, cats, and other carnivores that carry the worms that causes Hydatid disease get it from infected herbivores that they eat. The herbivores get it from ingesting plant material covered feces from an infected carnivore. Like most animal borne intestinal worm infestations. I realize you probably don't even know what the diseases you are naming are, but at least look them up so you don't look so foolish.
@sneakyfellow As for the money spent by hunters being used for herd management, the management is made necessary by the act of human hunting. Stop all human hunting, there is no need for the management. Amazing how nature survived for millenia without it. This will be my last post as we all know from reading your posts you have no true understanding other then "I am a hunter and all these animals should be here only for me and my people to hunt" and as such, will never understand.
@sneakyfellow One more thing before I go, Yes I do hunt, but I am an informed hunter with an actual understanding of how nature works, and by hunter I mean someone who can actually track an animal and stalk it, rather then sit in a tree stand or blind near where I have baiting the animal for weeks and wait for it to come to me. I don't use a scope, I don't use baits, scents, calls, and other things most hunters require to actually be able to find an animal. You should try it.
@sneakyfellow There are 29 he management zones in Idaho, in only one, Lolo Zone, are wolves damaging Elk pop. ID FG has already started a wolf management program to reduce the wolf population to 20 - 30 for the next 5 years In that zone alone.
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What you and so many others are afraid of, is with wolves present, your trophy hunting will be cut back. If it were actually you wanting the herds to increase, hunters would also voluntarily stop killing elk. But we know that isn't going to happen.
I'd bet those coyotes have met with that bobcat before and have gotten in a tangle with him/her. Dogs will be cautious around cats once they've been raked across the nose a couple of times.
a bob cat is the same size and weight as a pitbull - not something you want to pick a fight with if you are a coyote... they were looking to get some food, not to attack that cat...
a bob cat is the same size and weight as a pitbull - not something you want to pick a fight with if you are a coyote... they were looking to get some food, not to attack that cat...
The California Coyotes are not that formidable. They are largely undernourished. A well fed domestic dog of similar size can keep six coyotes at bay all night. My friend had a female mix of some kind and she would be out there fighting coyotes every night. She came home bloody sometimes but they were trying to eat her and she was defending and doing it for sport.
I live in Missouri, and durring deer season a few weeks ago a bobcat came right up to my stand. It just stared at me. Eventually it slowly walked away. It was a pretty awesome sight.
I got to disagree California is land of mountain lions especially out here in san bernadino has a bad cougar problem they been coming into the diff neighborhoods recently and we just had one lurkin the neighbor' drivewy a few days ago..
I agree. A single bob vs a single cuyote would end up a massacre. Bob's are very fomidible fighters. THeir size is very misleading. I do agree that in a pack the cuyotes and other pack animals working as a team could overtake a bob. Bobs from my experience with them are relentless, to a fault. Just like in this case where there are more than one cuyote and he is still fending them off. Sometimes they are in over their heads but this guy got a little lucky here.
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that was awesome. the sitting was the bobcats way of trying to avoid a fight, and look comfortable. bears do the same thing all the time. this is awesome.
great video, but the practice of baiting animals to get them to return to the same location is like "using a grenade to fish with" or just taking your rifle to the zoo no real tracking or hunting talent required.
@ljolucas usually rural areas. i live in columbia county, NY and every night i can hear sooo many coyotes and ive seen alot of bobcayts during the day in the fields i ride my quad in. they never bother me, even when on foot, they usually high tail it away but i wouldnt wanna run into coyotes hahah
Wow, I never realized how many stupid people there are in this world. Great video, thanks for sharing it, YouTube really should get rid of the comment option because some of you people just can't seem to controlled the constant flow of ignorance that leaves your mind through your fingers.
They didnt even fight really... Im surprised the bobcat sat there that calmly though. I guess bobcat knows he can beat coyote? And coyote knows bobcat can beat him?
there isn't a coyote in the WORLD that could kill a bobcat ,,I'm a dog lover but give credit where it's due cats are incredibly tough and better armed
The coyotes could have killed that cat if they wanted to, one coyote could.But in a fight with a bobcat he WILL go for a venerable spot, in a coyote's situation his/her eyes. Without eyes their likelihoods is for the most part gone. So either risk starving to death or getting the leftovers of a carcass and a bobcat. Not the greatest trade off.
two yotes againt a bobcat, the bobcat would of won that fight, but if there was more coyotes that bobcat would of lost, coyotes in packs are ballsy unless fired up with a shotgun :D
That cat was really pissed lol. I am told they can get very vicious. Hopefully don't run into one while hiking on the trails in Estes park co. Not sure what to do if I come across one :-(
@Tatooinedragracer Um to the people that hunt the land duh! And are you kidding? you think that the bobcats and coyotes survive off of bait? Thos animals arnt there b,c of the bait they are already on the land the bait only brings them to that spot. They eat deer which is why people bait and hunt them. but bobcats are dangerous when they get big if you see a pissed off one you can get fucked up. But those animals are gonna be there bait or not bait.
@bobwatters Bobcats and coyotes eat deer. So what. They will not eat all of them. They hunt all kinds of animals all year long, including deer, yet, guess what, that are still plenty of deer around. If no one killed any predators “to protect deer” there would still be plenty of deer for humans to hunt. Humans are relegated to a hunting *season* because, otherwise, they would over hunt the deer. Deer need to be protected not from predators over hunting them, but from humans over hunting them.
And why do you, other hunters and farm owners feel like ALL of the deer belongs to them? If people kill too many deer, then the predators resort to killing pets and livestock. What do you think’s gonna happen when you remove the predators food supply? What do you think’s gonna happen when there are too many deer because they are over populated after the predators have been reduced in population or eliminated?
@Tatooinedragracer >>>YO! Dumb Ass. In the 40s and 50s in Illinois the only deer to see were in a zoo. Now you have to play dodge car with them on every road, they eat your flowers and shrubs, and bring lots of money ionto the local economies. Know why? It's not because of some shit-for -brains like you. Its because Hunters and sportsmen partnered with the state conservation agencies to bring them back. If it were up to idiots like you, we'd still have none.
@42sundown@42sundown Exactly. The only deer in Illinois in the 40s and 50s were in zoos because HUMANS over hunted them in the wild. If deer are overpopulated now it is because HUMANS have now over hunted predators that are supposed to keep the deer population under control. Hunters want ALL of the deer to themselves. It's called GREED.
@Tatooinedragracer...Listen up now tattooeddragqueen. The game was gone in the 40s and 50s because of the Great Depression when a hardy people hunted to stay alive. I remember my grandfather telling me how hard it was to not take an offer of a 3yr old mule for my Uncle George's squirrel dog, Old Ring. My uncle was with Patton in Sicily with Patton and a good mule, Southern Illinois in the early 40s was worth $300. By the way, whitetail deer weren't native to most states...
@42sundown...The more I think about it, the more I think you are right queenie. Humans bad. You should probably kill yourself to pay for your sins and be happy, Turd! You will never get it. Over population of deer has lead to many problems, not the least of which is "wasting disease". Also deer ticks(Lyme Disease), VRG tumors, other weakness. It's like when trapping was villianized so bad most stopped trapping because fur got cheap, so 'coon, coyote, foxes, are now mostly ..#2
@42sundown...killed by Parvo which perodically rolls through and kills thousands and many pets as well, no vaccinations amoung the wild critters, rabies, mange and other parasites. You little anti-hunter genius you. Can you spell "law of unintended consequences" Like Congress just did away with the No-Killer laws for horses. It was the worst thing for horses. People had no place to gofor unwanted horses. Horses were starving, being dumped on roads, in national forests, etc.
@42sundown Thanks for making my point for me. Deer were and are overhunted by people. not by predators. The balance of nature upset by humans, once again. Now they're trying to correct the problem they created by unjustly blaming and punishing any and all predators they see.Your good 'ol grand pappy, Sicily, ww2, mules, and hounds have nothing to do with and do not justify senseless killing of animals. Now go fetch yourself some grits, put on your overalls and chug back some moonshine.
@StSimonMartyr So the wolf population, in Minnesota alone, would have to be over 11,500 to kill as many as the 207,313 registered deer kills in the 2010 MN deer season as reported by MNDNR. The US grey wolf pop. is less then 17500, with less then 6500 spread out across the lower 48. Hunters are causing the declining deer pop.
@StSimonMartyr And as for you false statement human hunters don't kill does, In the state of Virginia, out of a total deer harvest of 219,797 reported deer kills, 105,063 does (47.8%), were does. So learn some facts, don't spout off stupidly about things you do not understand. The Minnesota DNR doesn't differentiate between does and non antlered bucks.
All of them allow Does to be harvested,thats how the numbers are really kept in check.
There are no wolves in most of the Midwest-OH, IN, KY, TN, IL, IO et al and deer numbers are exploding. But where wolves are present (WI, MN, MT, ID) deer numbers are steadily declining and in some locales they are not existant
You fail at every attempt but keep em coming, its fun to play game of logic with liars.
Hunters help manage, not spread decline! Wolves DO!
@StSimonMartyr Hunters compete with wolves on prey. Both cause decline by applying pressure on one specie. Without hunters, the wolves will manage the population. Without wolves, hunters will manage the population.
What usually happens is that we end up hunting the wolves to sustain the prey population for our own. Also, the way we changed the geography confines where the animals can go, thus forcing preys to be near the wolves, making them easy target.
@bobwatters you must know nothing about managing land or hunting. When you hunt deer you want to kill things that eat deer its just good business. If there are to many deer you can invite people to come shoot doe or just feed more. Coyotes plus deer equals bad! so think what you want you obviously have no idea what ur talkin about.
@bobwatters Relax bob. Coyotes are not a threat to any healthy deer. They just perform the scavengers and predators role in cleaning up sick and weak or dead ones. There are more coyotes now than ever before. They are the classic survivor or the mammal version of the cockroach. They will be around when all else are gone. You probably have some roaming your alleys at night, making all of the neighborhood dogs go berserk, and laughing at you.
@bobwatters Exactly my point. Hunters want all the deer for themselves. What hunters here want is a hunting reserve, like shooting fish in a barrel or going through a drive-thru. They want a guarantee that they WILL be able to kill a deer for themselves and not let the "bad" Bambi-killing predators kill any of them. It's the predators who kill the sick, weak and old deer and leave the healthier ones to breed and to be "harvested" by humans.
Not letting Nature takes its course results in a weak, inferior gene pool for the deer.If the predators are not killing the old, weak, sick deer, then those deer survive longer, breed and pass on their weaker genes to the next generation of deer. Then the deer overpopulate, are fathered by deer with weaker genes, and eat too much vegetation and then starve and a lot of them die off. Then small-minded humans blame the die off on predators who "kill for fun and don't even eat the carcass".
So then they feel like they have to step in to "protect" the "defenseless" deer from the "evil" predators. In fact it is what hunters want to believe to justify their blood lust for killing defenseless predators (defenseless against night vision goggles, and high-powered guns that kill from a long distance) and for killing deer or other animals. A lot of hunters just want a trophy to hang on the wall so they can brag to their friends. But that is killing for fun, but predators kill to survive.
@Dinogirl2003 It makes no sense to kill an animal that you think is beautiful. Neither does any sense to kill an animal you think is ugly Is that how you and other hunters actually think? Look, there’s a beautiful animal. KILL IT. IT MUST DIE. STUFF IT, MAKE IT INTO A MANNEQUIN AND PUT IT ON A WALL.
@Tatooinedragracer ....I hate to bust your goody too shoes bubble, but, I have to break it to you. Lassie sucks eggs, chases cars, and shits too close to the house, like any other good dog. She didn't save the baby rabit from the cougar and take it back to it's mother, she took it into the bushes and ate it like any other good dog. Mice really can't talk, ducks and rabbits can't talk, and flipper can'really solve crimes. It's a shame isn't, that your brain lacks oxygen?
sorry bud but coyotes are a threat when there are a bunch of them.That bobcat can kiss it's ass good bye if 4 hungry yotes bum rush him. nasty fight yes but bobcat will lose unless of coarse it runs up a tree.hahaha
@alltre A bobcat that size doesn't have much to worry about. My money would be on the 4 hungry Coyotes deciding to look for an easier meal. That bobcat looks to be well over 30lbs, which makes him deadly to even the largest of coyotes.
@alltre I'm sorry buy you are not correct. Yes, maybe a large pack of cuyotes could take a bob, but as you see in this video the bobcat runs them off. He is not letting them get the deer. You can check out other vids on youtube of bobs attacking cuyotes. If they want to kill a cuyote they will in about 10 seconds. They kill just like a tiger with a bite hold to the neck. I thought when there was two that the bob would leave, but that wasnt the case. Bobs can kill much larger predators.
@egroegartfart....No coyote in his right mind would take on a bobcat alone. They know that a serious injury means death, but a pack of 4 or more would. With multiple dogs there, notice the cat sit down. Coyotes, like wolves, take down dangerous game by getting at the back legs and hamstrings. once it is broken down, in for the kill. Lions and leopards do that by jumping on the rear end andriding them down. Lions ride pretty damn good.
yall full of shit , they leave the carcass behind to see this shit ,dont film it dumb ,a way to get predators together 2 fight happens in nature but this filming it an carcass shit on purpose aint nature humans
dont u just hate people who hate hunters? u know half the stuff that goes in their gut comes from a hunters kill. after all if people where "naturalists" back then when there were no cattle to feed off of then they would of all died of starvation
I'm with the Bob Cat on this one. I dislike coyotes: scubby, yappy, little jackals, that feel the need to pack up. I don't like racoons either, they snarl and make this squealing pig like noise...throw them to the Bob Cats.
I have added Mountain Lions to the hate list even though I have never encountered one and don't want to.
Other than that I love nature...ah rats, spiders, kill all of them too.
@AzBirdDog I am a originally a product of the North Woods: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Canada.
I have not noticed a shortage of theses creatures here in suburban Southern and Central California...perhaps, even an excess of them.
The thought of a 250 pound Mountain Lion stalking my daughter as she jogs down the road does concern me. Thier specific roles belong back in the woods, not in my backyard.
When all the rats and spiders have been eradicated let me know.
@97448able Knowing that a 250 mointain lion is about, then it's your responsibility to keep an eye and protect her. Not to kill everything that can possibly cause her harm.
Coexistance. That's what it's all about. Not "Kill everything that might possibly harm me or my family, because I'm the only one that belongs here."
You moved into THEIR backyard, I guarantee that they were there LONG before you or any other humans were.
@AzBirdDog I don't know how old you are; however, Your intellect is under developed to say the least.
I'll move into any damn backyard I decide to.
I must assume you are what 16? So why don't you just jump aboard your skateboard and go ride off into the sunset. If you will excuse me, I have better things to do than waste my time with another moron.
@AzBirdDog...I am a lifetime conservationist at 69 and I love nature, but mountain lions in your backyard is just California bullshit. They need to be thinned some and hunted to make them stay away from the smell and activity of man. One reason to have big cats is they are great to hunt and when they are they are much more likely to staay away from the sights and sounds that go with men and dogs.
@42sundown The reason the cougars are in San Bernadino and other suberban areas is because there are too many humans encroaching on their habitat. Plus too many brush fires in the hills. They don't need to be hunted. That was the problem in the 80's in the Sierras with too many deer and not enough predators. No Cougar, no Grizzly Bears, no Wolves. Now the Cougar are coming back there are Wolves in Nor. Ca. but they won't survive because us humans have to have it our way.
@bcmom5...Did you even read what I said? If you read it, did you make an attempt to understand it? I at no time advocated getting rid of the cougar. Just like I don't advocate getting rid of wolves and bear, nor coyotes. But I believe in hunting them all, with proper game management like anything else.This makes them smarter and wary of man and his workings which serves to protect both man and the cougar species. It lets us have the great predators, without them becoming a problem..
@42sundown...themselves, thereby starting the cacaphony of cries from the non-hunting people to get rid of them for safety, and to save livestock. No real conservationalist or hunter wants to be rid of them, just to use hunting to control their numbers and ranges. There are things that work and things that don't work. You nipshit, sshit disturbing, "environmentalists" keep wanting regular people to accept and worship the animals to the extent of running in farms and yards. This...
@42sundown...will happen only until they eat enough pets and people to get the mob up. It all starts with being stupid. Glarringly STUPID. i remember several years ago, when a female cougar with kittens, killed a jogger. That caused a reaction from authority to kill the cougar, but saved the kits. There was a fund started for the woman's children, and one for the cougar kittens, and the kittens fund far outraised the kids fund. This is what's killing California, GROSS STUPIDITY!
One on one the cat would tear those Coyotes up. They would have to gang up on that cat to have a chance. They were scared of the cat with good reason.
@ScaryCreekPaintball lol if those coyotes were alone that cat would kill one so fast . have you ever seen a bob cat get hold of a dog? its ugly for the dog and a coyote is a small weak scavenger dog at that.that bob cat would have had no problem with any ONE of those coyotes. why do people think a dog can beat a cat that is either equal or only slightly smaller in size ? lol thats foolish. ask a cougar hunter what happens when a cougar grabs one of their hunting dogs , they can tell you about it
the lynx are not as aggressive as a bobcat. the reason you dont see lynx much below canada is because the lynx is a predator of the snowshoe hare which they eat as their main diet. The northern sections being where the hare thrives.The bobcat is a much more adaptable predator than the lynx which has evolved to perform best in northern climates of high snowfall..A 30 lb bobcat will and does kill prey as large as deer.
Live in Virginia and I think I saw a bobcat last night, either that or a lynx too dark to tell but it was a big freaking cat. Let the dog out, and he heard a growl and ran back inside right through the screen door and into his crate. It had a longer tail though.
@beyonceboy100 Thanks, apparently the only place where the lynx and bobcat coexists the boarder. which I find it kind of odd that they wouldn't wander further south. I think the two had to be the same at one point because the main difference I see is the Lynx has spiked hairs at the tip of their ears.
@davencrystal13..After the "Crash" of 1987, (supposedly because of big deficits, ain't that a laugh) I had to reboot my life. I worked at a State Prison at t Vienna, IL. I would drive from the prison west on 146 to I-24 and go north. The northbound ramp had resulted in about 40' of sandstone removed from the ridge on the right. To the left, it tailed down quickly (abt 15degree slope) all the way to 24. Being all new ground with not much except high fescue(grass) you could..
@42sundown...see th whole 1/4 cloverleaf. One day about 3:30 pm, going home, I was lucky enough to spot a bobcat. I might not have seen her with the fescue so high, but she made a high pounce for a mouse. I eased over to the side and watched her probably catch 8-19 field mice. Since I was next to the bluff, she came within about 50' of me, watching but not spooking. I couldn't believe how her jaws were so full of mice. It was late spring and the new grass was catching up.......
@42sundown..with the old and hunting was good. When she reached the bluff, which was a vertical cut, she went up it like it was a yard tree. I watched her for several weeks and I got to see a couple of kittens. I would see her once or twice a week and will never forget her. I guess that she had never been hunted and had the confidence of a little kid not scared of anything, I wanted to let some of the guys in on it but I was afraid that one of them would get "my pet" bobcat.
they scrapped a little bit... there was no fight to the death... no unnecessary killing going on right? Take notes mankind... you think you're the civilized one but think again. There is more civility and respect in nature than there is in man's "civilization."
ishudbesurfing 1 day ago
That was a really nice bit of nature footage.
RaineKitsune 1 week ago
@StSimonMartyr Wow, So you are the one who stated hunter don't take does, now you say it is normal practice. And you say I fail at logic, when you expect to show a reason how hunters taking more deer in any single state then the whole wolf population does nationwide but the decline in numbers is because of wolves. You have failed not only at logic, but apparently also math. I would ask for you to use facts in your arguments, but we all know your arguments go completely against the facts.
ksnokoose 2 weeks ago
@ksnokoose why don't you go look at some of the pictures of the cow elk that have have the unborn fetus ripped out of its ass hole by wolves, eaten, and then the cow elk left to die. Not to mention 4 out of 5 wolves carry Echinococcus granulosus
sneakyfellow 1 week ago
@sneakyfellow so lets get this straight, wolves have hunted deer for centuries, your ancestors didn't even know the world was round or even about this continent until less then 600 years ago. the deer didn't go extinct with even higher populations of wolves hunting, but the problem is the wolves, not the humans who kill, unnecessarily, more deer and elk per year the wolves do in a decade? And unlike humans, the wolves can't buy meat at a grocery store. Your logic sure showed me.
ksnokoose 1 week ago
@ksnokoose I don't suppose the Massive expansion of man would have something to do with that. When you build cities across the country and fill the air with chemicals, and have cars traveling across the country 24/7 it crowds the wildlife a bit, once we interfered with nature we put the job upon ourselves to manage it... Dumbass
sneakyfellow 1 week ago
@sneakyfellow OK, so I am understanding right, we were talking about how wolves are the reason for declining deer numbers and not people. I point out to you where you argument can't hold water, now you try to change the argument so you can pretend your logic hasn't failed. Don't be angry with me because you pulled some false idea out of your butt only to make you look like a fool. I didn't put your foot in your mouth, I am just here to be sure you savor the flavor.
ksnokoose 1 week ago
@sneakyfellow also, you may want to include most wild animals have worms, the common term for the big word you threw out to scare people and even domestic animals and humans can contract them from what they eat. Another important fact, wolves do not leave animals too die, they commonly eat carcasses, and will trail an animal to where it dies to feed because in nature, unlike with human hunters, nothing goes to waste.
ksnokoose 1 week ago
@ksnokoose Nothing goes to waste?!? what do you call the numbers of cow elk left to die after the fetus has been eaten, or how about the elk that are driven into rivers trying to escape that starve or drown to death. Youre a typical ignorant fool that knows nothing about the environment and probably lives nowhere near an area that wolves inhabit, cause if you did you would know they are a BIG problem.
sneakyfellow 1 week ago
@sneakyfellow Oh that is right, when an animal dies in the wild it decomposes without other animals eating, the wolves coyotes, buzzards, fish, bears, and a whole slew of other animals that feed off those are carcasses only do that in the movies huh. And BTW, I do live in an area where there are wolves, coyotes, mountain lions and bears. The difference is, I haven't been fed a line of BS by those around me and actually look at facts and research things. You may want to try that.
ksnokoose 1 week ago
@ksnokoose I have, and i have also learned that you are a fool and its a damn good thing that we have people with common sense, if it were up to you we would be in serious shit.
sneakyfellow 1 week ago
@sneakyfellow OK, what have you learned, state the sources of your facts, show us where you get your support for your arguments. If you are half as well informed as you claim, this should be easy for you. Show us how you have gotten this so called common sense. As for me, I have stated some sources, and have a vast list of more sources backing my side of this argument. All them viewable by anyone.
ksnokoose 1 week ago
@ksnokoose arguing with you is pointless because you lack understanding, but im curious what sources you stated? as far as i can see you listed none.
sneakyfellow 6 days ago
@sneakyfellow You should read my previous posts. I did get the deleted comment where you attempted to show proof I was wrong (guess youtube emails your comments faster then you can delete them) so I am sharing the address minus the web stuff part, so just search it, you will get right to the article on the 2010 Idaho FG report. magicvalley.c o m/news/local/wood-river/article 64d3fe91-1afd-5794-b5a0-62129c6f11ca
ksnokoose 6 days ago
@ksnokoose i did delete it cause like i said arguing with a you is pointless
sneakyfellow 5 days ago
@sneakyfellow or is it because of these quotes from the article "Wolves have long been blamed for elk deaths in Idaho. But research is showing the predators have gotten a bum rap" or "the report showed that hunters were the biggest cause of elk kills in 2 areas of declining population" or "No predator has ever eliminated its food". The fact is humans and their impact are the biggest causes of declining Elk populations, not wolves, and there are numerous studies to back that fact up
ksnokoose 5 days ago
that article was not a reliable source so i removed it but regardless, whenever i see wolves i shoot shovel and shutup no matter what laws say now or in the future wolves are a problem and i will continue to kill them.
sneakyfellow 5 days ago
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sneakyfellow 5 days ago
@sneakyfellow This is the same as the previous, using the single excerpt from the report to try to show their side of the argument. Go figure, you found 2 anti wolf groups who say wolves are bad. At least now we understand your ignorance, you only researched one side of the argument and took what they said as gospel. If that report is correct, Funny the anti wolf groups haven't mentioned the part about hunters causing the decline in 2 zones.
ksnokoose 4 days ago
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@sneakyfellow ah yes, take a few excerpts from a report, posted on a hunting website to prove a point by not using the whole report. If you had actually read the report, you would have found that was the only zone in Idaho that the decline was blamed on wolves, 2 of the zones where there was a decline the blame was on human hunters. The rest of the zones non predatory problems, ie starvation disease, etc, as the reason for decline. Maybe you should actually read the report.
ksnokoose 4 days ago
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@sneakyfellow Well, the article you listed gave a 404 error on the paper's website, so I searched for any article with the word wolf, wolves, and elk, all that came up was an article on the wolf being delisted as endangered. Which has nothing to do with the argument that wolves are the cause of elk and deer population declines. And so far the only thing I have seen from you is trying to use a single excerpt from a report that shows hunters are actually the greater problem. So????
ksnokoose 4 days ago
@ksnokoose so youre choosing to ignore facts i guess, the 3 articles i listed should be very informative, and they are 3 more records than you have listed.
sneakyfellow 4 days ago
@sneakyfellow the articles you posted, at least the 2 of them that show wolf impact on elk population, reference the same report I have listed, read, and asked you to read. I understand your fear of actually reading the report, or links in my posts. It must trouble you greatly to know how wrong you are and by just not reading the report, which even your articles mention, you can remain happily ignorant and pretend you are right. I guess I shouldn't expect anything less from you.
ksnokoose 4 days ago
@ksnokoose you never posted a link? what report?
sneakyfellow 4 days ago
@sneakyfellow go back 2 days ago, where i pinted out you deleted your link, I removed the web portion, but if you had actually read my reply, you would have know that. that is why this time I simply reversed the text.
ksnokoose 4 days ago
@ksnokoose your nuts, its the hunters dollar that pays for managing herds, everything from the license, the tag, and even donations to hunting conservation groups. The other thing i find hilarious is that when hunters kill, and i know occasionally there are hunters that are incredibly unethical in the way they hunt, but most of the time its a clean efficient kill. Wolves kill and or leave elk horribly wounded, they also carry hydatid disease that spreads and kills even more game.
sneakyfellow 3 days ago
@sneakyfellow Ah yes, using big words for worms again are we, the wolves, cats, and other carnivores that carry the worms that causes Hydatid disease get it from infected herbivores that they eat. The herbivores get it from ingesting plant material covered feces from an infected carnivore. Like most animal borne intestinal worm infestations. I realize you probably don't even know what the diseases you are naming are, but at least look them up so you don't look so foolish.
ksnokoose 2 days ago
@sneakyfellow As for the money spent by hunters being used for herd management, the management is made necessary by the act of human hunting. Stop all human hunting, there is no need for the management. Amazing how nature survived for millenia without it. This will be my last post as we all know from reading your posts you have no true understanding other then "I am a hunter and all these animals should be here only for me and my people to hunt" and as such, will never understand.
ksnokoose 2 days ago
@sneakyfellow One more thing before I go, Yes I do hunt, but I am an informed hunter with an actual understanding of how nature works, and by hunter I mean someone who can actually track an animal and stalk it, rather then sit in a tree stand or blind near where I have baiting the animal for weeks and wait for it to come to me. I don't use a scope, I don't use baits, scents, calls, and other things most hunters require to actually be able to find an animal. You should try it.
ksnokoose 2 days ago
@ksnokoose your sad
sneakyfellow 2 days ago
@sneakyfellow There are 29 he management zones in Idaho, in only one, Lolo Zone, are wolves damaging Elk pop. ID FG has already started a wolf management program to reduce the wolf population to 20 - 30 for the next 5 years In that zone alone.
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ksnokoose 4 days ago
@sneakyfellow and here again is the original link I posted, this time I will write it backwards for you to flip, don't strain yourself,
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What you and so many others are afraid of, is with wolves present, your trophy hunting will be cut back. If it were actually you wanting the herds to increase, hunters would also voluntarily stop killing elk. But we know that isn't going to happen.
ksnokoose 4 days ago
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sneakyfellow 6 days ago
Why is there bait for coyotes? It would be to poison them, would it?
eyedoc1956 2 weeks ago
I'd bet those coyotes have met with that bobcat before and have gotten in a tangle with him/her. Dogs will be cautious around cats once they've been raked across the nose a couple of times.
redbeakman 2 weeks ago
thats some cool footage, what a treat predators are something.
hnoppenberger 2 weeks ago
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a bob cat is the same size and weight as a pitbull - not something you want to pick a fight with if you are a coyote... they were looking to get some food, not to attack that cat...
mrkv39 3 weeks ago
a bob cat is the same size and weight as a pitbull - not something you want to pick a fight with if you are a coyote... they were looking to get some food, not to attack that cat...
mrkv39 3 weeks ago
haha that cat was punking all those coyotes. Coyotes are savage but they know better then to fight alone.. Bob cat would eat a coyote for a meal lol
FordGTmustang2000 3 weeks ago
The California Coyotes are not that formidable. They are largely undernourished. A well fed domestic dog of similar size can keep six coyotes at bay all night. My friend had a female mix of some kind and she would be out there fighting coyotes every night. She came home bloody sometimes but they were trying to eat her and she was defending and doing it for sport.
Fend4urself 4 weeks ago
Don't under-estimate this Bobcat. They are VERY, VERY, wily cats for there size.
tomtalker2000 1 month ago
Awww, they are just hungry. ^_^ You had your fill kitty, let the doggies (coyotes) have some. <3
GreenTreeNymph 1 month ago
good job Bobby
Lion1VAK 1 month ago
I live in Missouri, and durring deer season a few weeks ago a bobcat came right up to my stand. It just stared at me. Eventually it slowly walked away. It was a pretty awesome sight.
Cumminification 1 month ago
I never saw a fight...
flydown111 1 month ago
I got to disagree California is land of mountain lions especially out here in san bernadino has a bad cougar problem they been coming into the diff neighborhoods recently and we just had one lurkin the neighbor' drivewy a few days ago..
HarrisXranch 1 month ago
I agree. A single bob vs a single cuyote would end up a massacre. Bob's are very fomidible fighters. THeir size is very misleading. I do agree that in a pack the cuyotes and other pack animals working as a team could overtake a bob. Bobs from my experience with them are relentless, to a fault. Just like in this case where there are more than one cuyote and he is still fending them off. Sometimes they are in over their heads but this guy got a little lucky here.
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josh11915yo 1 month ago
that was awesome. the sitting was the bobcats way of trying to avoid a fight, and look comfortable. bears do the same thing all the time. this is awesome.
bradjosephs 1 month ago
great video, but the practice of baiting animals to get them to return to the same location is like "using a grenade to fish with" or just taking your rifle to the zoo no real tracking or hunting talent required.
dooku65 1 month ago
were do you live to see a bob cat
ljolucas 2 months ago
@ljolucas usually rural areas. i live in columbia county, NY and every night i can hear sooo many coyotes and ive seen alot of bobcayts during the day in the fields i ride my quad in. they never bother me, even when on foot, they usually high tail it away but i wouldnt wanna run into coyotes hahah
MattttG3 2 months ago
Wow, I never realized how many stupid people there are in this world. Great video, thanks for sharing it, YouTube really should get rid of the comment option because some of you people just can't seem to controlled the constant flow of ignorance that leaves your mind through your fingers.
cranberrygrape1 2 months ago
They didnt even fight really... Im surprised the bobcat sat there that calmly though. I guess bobcat knows he can beat coyote? And coyote knows bobcat can beat him?
Balgore8 2 months ago
Wow, that's a good sized bobcat. What part of Illinois are you in? I'm up North.
sadeyedangel 2 months ago
cat is like all hell no this is mine so u better back the fuck up
michael63400 2 months ago
there isn't a coyote in the WORLD that could kill a bobcat ,,I'm a dog lover but give credit where it's due cats are incredibly tough and better armed
fullstrutn 2 months ago
The coyotes could have killed that cat if they wanted to, one coyote could.But in a fight with a bobcat he WILL go for a venerable spot, in a coyote's situation his/her eyes. Without eyes their likelihoods is for the most part gone. So either risk starving to death or getting the leftovers of a carcass and a bobcat. Not the greatest trade off.
Bigswol13 2 months ago
two yotes againt a bobcat, the bobcat would of won that fight, but if there was more coyotes that bobcat would of lost, coyotes in packs are ballsy unless fired up with a shotgun :D
Cheevus 2 months ago
what county in illinois
bnewt97 2 months ago
thats awesome
zeroindyrictabones 2 months ago
That's some rare footage. Very cool
Boughtone 2 months ago
Man them coyotes are fast.. They always surprise me with their speed.
jamesd623 2 months ago
Do a barrel roll, bobcat
tnnrhanke 2 months ago
That cat was really pissed lol. I am told they can get very vicious. Hopefully don't run into one while hiking on the trails in Estes park co. Not sure what to do if I come across one :-(
TheAnimallover81 2 months ago
@TheAnimallover81 you better have a gun with you. cats that size are verry dangerous! and yes they can be mean especialy when they are hungry!
bobwatters 2 months ago
@bobwatters Dangerous to what or to who? If they don't want coyotes or bobcats on their farm, they need to STOP PUTTING OUT BAIT.
Tatooinedragracer 2 months ago
@Tatooinedragracer Um to the people that hunt the land duh! And are you kidding? you think that the bobcats and coyotes survive off of bait? Thos animals arnt there b,c of the bait they are already on the land the bait only brings them to that spot. They eat deer which is why people bait and hunt them. but bobcats are dangerous when they get big if you see a pissed off one you can get fucked up. But those animals are gonna be there bait or not bait.
bobwatters 2 months ago
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Tatooinedragracer 2 months ago
@bobwatters Bobcats and coyotes eat deer. So what. They will not eat all of them. They hunt all kinds of animals all year long, including deer, yet, guess what, that are still plenty of deer around. If no one killed any predators “to protect deer” there would still be plenty of deer for humans to hunt. Humans are relegated to a hunting *season* because, otherwise, they would over hunt the deer. Deer need to be protected not from predators over hunting them, but from humans over hunting them.
Tatooinedragracer 2 months ago
And why do you, other hunters and farm owners feel like ALL of the deer belongs to them? If people kill too many deer, then the predators resort to killing pets and livestock. What do you think’s gonna happen when you remove the predators food supply? What do you think’s gonna happen when there are too many deer because they are over populated after the predators have been reduced in population or eliminated?
Tatooinedragracer 2 months ago
@Tatooinedragracer >>>YO! Dumb Ass. In the 40s and 50s in Illinois the only deer to see were in a zoo. Now you have to play dodge car with them on every road, they eat your flowers and shrubs, and bring lots of money ionto the local economies. Know why? It's not because of some shit-for -brains like you. Its because Hunters and sportsmen partnered with the state conservation agencies to bring them back. If it were up to idiots like you, we'd still have none.
42sundown 2 months ago
@42sundown go cry somewhere else and shut the fuck the up.
this1s4st 2 months ago
@42sundown @42sundown Exactly. The only deer in Illinois in the 40s and 50s were in zoos because HUMANS over hunted them in the wild. If deer are overpopulated now it is because HUMANS have now over hunted predators that are supposed to keep the deer population under control. Hunters want ALL of the deer to themselves. It's called GREED.
Tatooinedragracer 2 months ago
@Tatooinedragracer...Listen up now tattooeddragqueen. The game was gone in the 40s and 50s because of the Great Depression when a hardy people hunted to stay alive. I remember my grandfather telling me how hard it was to not take an offer of a 3yr old mule for my Uncle George's squirrel dog, Old Ring. My uncle was with Patton in Sicily with Patton and a good mule, Southern Illinois in the early 40s was worth $300. By the way, whitetail deer weren't native to most states...
42sundown 1 month ago
@42sundown...The more I think about it, the more I think you are right queenie. Humans bad. You should probably kill yourself to pay for your sins and be happy, Turd! You will never get it. Over population of deer has lead to many problems, not the least of which is "wasting disease". Also deer ticks(Lyme Disease), VRG tumors, other weakness. It's like when trapping was villianized so bad most stopped trapping because fur got cheap, so 'coon, coyote, foxes, are now mostly ..#2
42sundown 1 month ago
@42sundown...killed by Parvo which perodically rolls through and kills thousands and many pets as well, no vaccinations amoung the wild critters, rabies, mange and other parasites. You little anti-hunter genius you. Can you spell "law of unintended consequences" Like Congress just did away with the No-Killer laws for horses. It was the worst thing for horses. People had no place to gofor unwanted horses. Horses were starving, being dumped on roads, in national forests, etc.
42sundown 1 month ago
@42sundown Thanks for making my point for me. Deer were and are overhunted by people. not by predators. The balance of nature upset by humans, once again. Now they're trying to correct the problem they created by unjustly blaming and punishing any and all predators they see.Your good 'ol grand pappy, Sicily, ww2, mules, and hounds have nothing to do with and do not justify senseless killing of animals. Now go fetch yourself some grits, put on your overalls and chug back some moonshine.
Tatooinedragracer 3 weeks ago
Wrong
A Single Wolf eat 18 deer per year. Multiply times a pack of 10, and its devastating.
Hunters generally take only bucks, does arent culled.
Elk and deer are disappearing from Wolves in MN, ID, CO, WY, MT all where wolves were reintroduced.
overhunting isnt the issue, their numbers WERE Flourishing WITH Hunting by hunters.
Hunters manage game and practice conservation.
If you have a problem with senseless killing, take it up with McDonalds & KFC. Thats real slaughter.
StSimonMartyr 3 weeks ago
@StSimonMartyr So the wolf population, in Minnesota alone, would have to be over 11,500 to kill as many as the 207,313 registered deer kills in the 2010 MN deer season as reported by MNDNR. The US grey wolf pop. is less then 17500, with less then 6500 spread out across the lower 48. Hunters are causing the declining deer pop.
files.dnr.state.mn.us/recreation/hunting/deer/2010-harvestreport.pdf
fws.gov/midwest/wolf/aboutwolves/WolfPopUS.htm
ksnokoose 2 weeks ago
@StSimonMartyr And as for you false statement human hunters don't kill does, In the state of Virginia, out of a total deer harvest of 219,797 reported deer kills, 105,063 does (47.8%), were does. So learn some facts, don't spout off stupidly about things you do not understand. The Minnesota DNR doesn't differentiate between does and non antlered bucks.
dgif.virginia.gov/wildlife/deer/harvestsummary.asp
you will need to manually enter the links, YT wont allow a link in a response
ksnokoose 2 weeks ago
Ive hunted deer in multiple states.
All of them allow Does to be harvested,thats how the numbers are really kept in check.
There are no wolves in most of the Midwest-OH, IN, KY, TN, IL, IO et al and deer numbers are exploding. But where wolves are present (WI, MN, MT, ID) deer numbers are steadily declining and in some locales they are not existant
You fail at every attempt but keep em coming, its fun to play game of logic with liars.
Hunters help manage, not spread decline! Wolves DO!
StSimonMartyr 2 weeks ago
@StSimonMartyr Hunters compete with wolves on prey. Both cause decline by applying pressure on one specie. Without hunters, the wolves will manage the population. Without wolves, hunters will manage the population.
What usually happens is that we end up hunting the wolves to sustain the prey population for our own. Also, the way we changed the geography confines where the animals can go, thus forcing preys to be near the wolves, making them easy target.
nelsonta00 1 week ago
@bobwatters you must know nothing about managing land or hunting. When you hunt deer you want to kill things that eat deer its just good business. If there are to many deer you can invite people to come shoot doe or just feed more. Coyotes plus deer equals bad! so think what you want you obviously have no idea what ur talkin about.
bobwatters 2 months ago
@bobwatters Relax bob. Coyotes are not a threat to any healthy deer. They just perform the scavengers and predators role in cleaning up sick and weak or dead ones. There are more coyotes now than ever before. They are the classic survivor or the mammal version of the cockroach. They will be around when all else are gone. You probably have some roaming your alleys at night, making all of the neighborhood dogs go berserk, and laughing at you.
42sundown 2 months ago
@bobwatters Exactly my point. Hunters want all the deer for themselves. What hunters here want is a hunting reserve, like shooting fish in a barrel or going through a drive-thru. They want a guarantee that they WILL be able to kill a deer for themselves and not let the "bad" Bambi-killing predators kill any of them. It's the predators who kill the sick, weak and old deer and leave the healthier ones to breed and to be "harvested" by humans.
Tatooinedragracer 2 months ago
Not letting Nature takes its course results in a weak, inferior gene pool for the deer.If the predators are not killing the old, weak, sick deer, then those deer survive longer, breed and pass on their weaker genes to the next generation of deer. Then the deer overpopulate, are fathered by deer with weaker genes, and eat too much vegetation and then starve and a lot of them die off. Then small-minded humans blame the die off on predators who "kill for fun and don't even eat the carcass".
Tatooinedragracer 2 months ago
So then they feel like they have to step in to "protect" the "defenseless" deer from the "evil" predators. In fact it is what hunters want to believe to justify their blood lust for killing defenseless predators (defenseless against night vision goggles, and high-powered guns that kill from a long distance) and for killing deer or other animals. A lot of hunters just want a trophy to hang on the wall so they can brag to their friends. But that is killing for fun, but predators kill to survive.
Tatooinedragracer 2 months ago
Gorgeous Bobcat, did you ever get him/her?
Dinogirl2003 2 months ago
@Dinogirl2003 It makes no sense to kill an animal that you think is beautiful. Neither does any sense to kill an animal you think is ugly Is that how you and other hunters actually think? Look, there’s a beautiful animal. KILL IT. IT MUST DIE. STUFF IT, MAKE IT INTO A MANNEQUIN AND PUT IT ON A WALL.
Tatooinedragracer 2 months ago
@Tatooinedragracer ....I hate to bust your goody too shoes bubble, but, I have to break it to you. Lassie sucks eggs, chases cars, and shits too close to the house, like any other good dog. She didn't save the baby rabit from the cougar and take it back to it's mother, she took it into the bushes and ate it like any other good dog. Mice really can't talk, ducks and rabbits can't talk, and flipper can'really solve crimes. It's a shame isn't, that your brain lacks oxygen?
42sundown 2 months ago
sorry bud but coyotes are a threat when there are a bunch of them.That bobcat can kiss it's ass good bye if 4 hungry yotes bum rush him. nasty fight yes but bobcat will lose unless of coarse it runs up a tree.hahaha
alltre 2 months ago 6
@alltre A bobcat that size doesn't have much to worry about. My money would be on the 4 hungry Coyotes deciding to look for an easier meal. That bobcat looks to be well over 30lbs, which makes him deadly to even the largest of coyotes.
johntvette 2 months ago
@alltre I'm sorry buy you are not correct. Yes, maybe a large pack of cuyotes could take a bob, but as you see in this video the bobcat runs them off. He is not letting them get the deer. You can check out other vids on youtube of bobs attacking cuyotes. If they want to kill a cuyote they will in about 10 seconds. They kill just like a tiger with a bite hold to the neck. I thought when there was two that the bob would leave, but that wasnt the case. Bobs can kill much larger predators.
egroegartfart 1 month ago
@egroegartfart....No coyote in his right mind would take on a bobcat alone. They know that a serious injury means death, but a pack of 4 or more would. With multiple dogs there, notice the cat sit down. Coyotes, like wolves, take down dangerous game by getting at the back legs and hamstrings. once it is broken down, in for the kill. Lions and leopards do that by jumping on the rear end andriding them down. Lions ride pretty damn good.
42sundown 1 month ago
big cat? small coyotes... coyotes are bigger in eastern canada :p
redhotraygun 3 months ago
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yall full of shit , they leave the carcass behind to see this shit ,dont film it dumb ,a way to get predators together 2 fight happens in nature but this filming it an carcass shit on purpose aint nature humans
oetep1 3 months ago
I take it the bobcats come down from Canada....They must say "meow, eh?" lol
94StrokerZ28 3 months ago
@94StrokerZ28
Nah, hip hop culture took over here, too. That cat's saying, "'Sup dawg?".
lesterclaypool1 3 months ago
dont u just hate people who hate hunters? u know half the stuff that goes in their gut comes from a hunters kill. after all if people where "naturalists" back then when there were no cattle to feed off of then they would of all died of starvation
DomSubmissiveKitty 3 months ago
there isnt one single paw thrown it aint even a fight
ericnelson33 3 months ago
I like how it sits down when the coyotes come.
Coyote: Roof roof
Bobcat: -.-
Coyote: Roof roof ROOF
Bobcat: Hold my shades... I'm about to fuck shit up.
zookeeper2345 3 months ago 43
Furthermore, I put a raccoons head on a stick just yesterday...what do you think about that?
97448able 3 months ago
@97448able I think that you should keep doing that! As a matter of fact, put all the dead animals on a stick around your house.
We'll all be laughing at you when the bigger prdators come by looking at you, and thinking of "Lunch!"
Actually quite stupid to do. lol
But hey, you're only being you!
LMAO
AzBirdDog 3 months ago
wow.
jattdetatta12365 3 months ago
I'm with the Bob Cat on this one. I dislike coyotes: scubby, yappy, little jackals, that feel the need to pack up. I don't like racoons either, they snarl and make this squealing pig like noise...throw them to the Bob Cats.
I have added Mountain Lions to the hate list even though I have never encountered one and don't want to.
Other than that I love nature...ah rats, spiders, kill all of them too.
97448able 4 months ago
@97448able Each and every living being that you mentioned, has a specific role in nature.
They all fit in really nice. Except where we fall in with that attitude.
We humans have a purpose to, to maintain the balance. But we have to remember our role, and live by it so that the other can prosper too.
AzBirdDog 4 months ago
@AzBirdDog I am a originally a product of the North Woods: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Canada.
I have not noticed a shortage of theses creatures here in suburban Southern and Central California...perhaps, even an excess of them.
The thought of a 250 pound Mountain Lion stalking my daughter as she jogs down the road does concern me. Thier specific roles belong back in the woods, not in my backyard.
When all the rats and spiders have been eradicated let me know.
97448able 3 months ago
@97448able Knowing that a 250 mointain lion is about, then it's your responsibility to keep an eye and protect her. Not to kill everything that can possibly cause her harm.
Coexistance. That's what it's all about. Not "Kill everything that might possibly harm me or my family, because I'm the only one that belongs here."
You moved into THEIR backyard, I guarantee that they were there LONG before you or any other humans were.
AzBirdDog 3 months ago
@AzBirdDog I don't know how old you are; however, Your intellect is under developed to say the least.
I'll move into any damn backyard I decide to.
I must assume you are what 16? So why don't you just jump aboard your skateboard and go ride off into the sunset. If you will excuse me, I have better things to do than waste my time with another moron.
97448able 3 months ago
@97448able I'm 44 and have been studying wildlife all of my life.
You're wasting your time just being you.
People like you are patheticly stupid.
It's up to you to protect your family and teach them. But instead of learning, you want to kill everything instead. That is the mark of a TRUE moron.
And a pathetic parent as well, apparently.
AzBirdDog 3 months ago
@AzBirdDog I don't need your pathetic resume. What new and interesting things do you have teach or say to me...go find a boy scout to impress.
97448able 3 months ago
@AzBirdDog
We are a part of nature, not separate from it.
lesterclaypool1 3 months ago
@lesterclaypool1 if the animals could talk, they would disagree with you.
AzBirdDog 3 months ago
@AzBirdDog oh ya well i guess your not ,,, figures
lesterclaypool1 3 months ago
@AzBirdDog...I am a lifetime conservationist at 69 and I love nature, but mountain lions in your backyard is just California bullshit. They need to be thinned some and hunted to make them stay away from the smell and activity of man. One reason to have big cats is they are great to hunt and when they are they are much more likely to staay away from the sights and sounds that go with men and dogs.
42sundown 1 month ago
@42sundown The reason the cougars are in San Bernadino and other suberban areas is because there are too many humans encroaching on their habitat. Plus too many brush fires in the hills. They don't need to be hunted. That was the problem in the 80's in the Sierras with too many deer and not enough predators. No Cougar, no Grizzly Bears, no Wolves. Now the Cougar are coming back there are Wolves in Nor. Ca. but they won't survive because us humans have to have it our way.
bcmom5 1 month ago
@bcmom5...Did you even read what I said? If you read it, did you make an attempt to understand it? I at no time advocated getting rid of the cougar. Just like I don't advocate getting rid of wolves and bear, nor coyotes. But I believe in hunting them all, with proper game management like anything else.This makes them smarter and wary of man and his workings which serves to protect both man and the cougar species. It lets us have the great predators, without them becoming a problem..
42sundown 1 month ago
@42sundown...themselves, thereby starting the cacaphony of cries from the non-hunting people to get rid of them for safety, and to save livestock. No real conservationalist or hunter wants to be rid of them, just to use hunting to control their numbers and ranges. There are things that work and things that don't work. You nipshit, sshit disturbing, "environmentalists" keep wanting regular people to accept and worship the animals to the extent of running in farms and yards. This...
42sundown 1 month ago
@42sundown...will happen only until they eat enough pets and people to get the mob up. It all starts with being stupid. Glarringly STUPID. i remember several years ago, when a female cougar with kittens, killed a jogger. That caused a reaction from authority to kill the cougar, but saved the kits. There was a fund started for the woman's children, and one for the cougar kittens, and the kittens fund far outraised the kids fund. This is what's killing California, GROSS STUPIDITY!
42sundown 1 month ago
@97448able you sound like a nature hater and an all round shitty person to be near wow you really suck glad i dont know you
cateyes221981 3 months ago
@cateyes221981 Yes I am, it's all true.
97448able 3 months ago
I'm surprised the coyotes didn't kill the cat. Likely weren't enough of them around.
GrandMasterKolbasa 4 months ago
looks like the coyotes are trying to get the cat to chase its tail lol
jester4115 4 months ago
thats one big bobcat
cavhoki 4 months ago
Cat seemed to know the camera was there.
kozmon0t 4 months ago
Thanks for sharing, AMAZING!!!
NFAGETSOME 4 months ago
That's a big bobcat, it's almost as big as the coyotes...
IndyBearFan88 4 months ago
One on one the cat would tear those Coyotes up. They would have to gang up on that cat to have a chance. They were scared of the cat with good reason.
dv713 4 months ago
If Coyotes werent scared of every little movement the cat made the coyotes could kill the cat easily
ScaryCreekPaintball 4 months ago
@ScaryCreekPaintball lol if those coyotes were alone that cat would kill one so fast . have you ever seen a bob cat get hold of a dog? its ugly for the dog and a coyote is a small weak scavenger dog at that.that bob cat would have had no problem with any ONE of those coyotes. why do people think a dog can beat a cat that is either equal or only slightly smaller in size ? lol thats foolish. ask a cougar hunter what happens when a cougar grabs one of their hunting dogs , they can tell you about it
LadySpy120 4 months ago
@ScaryCreekPaintball hate to break it to you when cats cant find food..last resort are coyotes...coyotes arent a threat bud..think again.
rockincoffee 2 months ago
@rockincoffee ya, pound for pound a cats body is stronger than a canines of the same size
twinturbo955 2 months ago
i live in terre hauteand on some property in brazil we have a trail cam pic of a bobcat with a dead deer in it mouth
328racer328 4 months ago
sweet, I plan on throwing a small road kill deer over my trail cam in jan after deer season is over just to see whats out there in my woods.
michiganhunts 4 months ago
yotes we get here are wayyyyyyyyyyy bigger than that i got one in video on my channel, damn things the size of a german shepard.
SupremeAmerican 5 months ago
This is an interesting capture you had set up with your camera, thanks for sharing this clip.
FarOutArtist 6 months ago
Bobcats kick so much ass!
ohiocanalgirl 6 months ago
@davencrystal13 did u leave that deer carcass for them
BAbukkakkis 6 months ago
@BAbukkakkis yes, we process our own deers at deer season, then leave them by one of our trail cameras
davencrystal13 6 months ago
All I can say is Dude you have a serious predator problem.
storm91520 6 months ago
healthy cat :D
AngelXmikey 6 months ago
hmmmm... did i missed the fight?
ben7551 6 months ago
the lynx are not as aggressive as a bobcat. the reason you dont see lynx much below canada is because the lynx is a predator of the snowshoe hare which they eat as their main diet. The northern sections being where the hare thrives.The bobcat is a much more adaptable predator than the lynx which has evolved to perform best in northern climates of high snowfall..A 30 lb bobcat will and does kill prey as large as deer.
shelbyloosponies 6 months ago
@shelbyloosponies theres some lynx in wisconsin pretty good population there in the northern part of state
SupremeAmerican 5 months ago
1:50... Motha fuckers.
92gopher 6 months ago
cool we had one here in indiana about 3 years ago
jakemcdonald97 6 months ago
i seen this picture before, lion vs hyenas
oscar5717 6 months ago
Live in Virginia and I think I saw a bobcat last night, either that or a lynx too dark to tell but it was a big freaking cat. Let the dog out, and he heard a growl and ran back inside right through the screen door and into his crate. It had a longer tail though.
MutimirRX 7 months ago
@MutimirRX Hi whats the diffrence betwen bocat and lynx
beyonceboy100 7 months ago
@MutimirRX i just chearched and there is a Bobcat in the US and a Canada lynx in north of US
beyonceboy100 7 months ago
@beyonceboy100 Thanks, apparently the only place where the lynx and bobcat coexists the boarder. which I find it kind of odd that they wouldn't wander further south. I think the two had to be the same at one point because the main difference I see is the Lynx has spiked hairs at the tip of their ears.
MutimirRX 7 months ago
It looks like a regular cat. (just sayin)
shanabethbee 7 months ago
what time of year is this?
tonythiery 7 months ago
@tonythiery in the past 2 years we catch this bobcat around late dec. to jan. This was Jan. 2011
davencrystal13 7 months ago
@davencrystal13 I live in illinois and ive never seen a bobcat before. What part of illinois you live in in?
sealab2012 6 months ago
@sealab2012 I live in Greene co. we have caught him the past 3 years, always late Dec. to Jan.
davencrystal13 6 months ago
@davencrystal13
You got some ballsy coyotes in Greene. Are they at pest proportions, is that why they're so stupid brave?
Most coyotes would have left that big cat alone.
lesterclaypool1 3 months ago
@davencrystal13 have yall ever tried to hunt that cat? at that size they can be verry dangerous.
bobwatters 2 months ago
@davencrystal13..After the "Crash" of 1987, (supposedly because of big deficits, ain't that a laugh) I had to reboot my life. I worked at a State Prison at t Vienna, IL. I would drive from the prison west on 146 to I-24 and go north. The northbound ramp had resulted in about 40' of sandstone removed from the ridge on the right. To the left, it tailed down quickly (abt 15degree slope) all the way to 24. Being all new ground with not much except high fescue(grass) you could..
42sundown 1 month ago
@42sundown...see th whole 1/4 cloverleaf. One day about 3:30 pm, going home, I was lucky enough to spot a bobcat. I might not have seen her with the fescue so high, but she made a high pounce for a mouse. I eased over to the side and watched her probably catch 8-19 field mice. Since I was next to the bluff, she came within about 50' of me, watching but not spooking. I couldn't believe how her jaws were so full of mice. It was late spring and the new grass was catching up.......
42sundown 1 month ago
@42sundown..with the old and hunting was good. When she reached the bluff, which was a vertical cut, she went up it like it was a yard tree. I watched her for several weeks and I got to see a couple of kittens. I would see her once or twice a week and will never forget her. I guess that she had never been hunted and had the confidence of a little kid not scared of anything, I wanted to let some of the guys in on it but I was afraid that one of them would get "my pet" bobcat.
42sundown 1 month ago