The disease model is meaningless because the definition of addiction involves everything from genetics to cravings to withdrawal symptoms to subsequent organ damage to alleged "dry drunk" behavior when not using. So, if you try to have a discussion about addiction as a disease, the subject keeps changing from one aspect to the other - like trying to get hold of a greased pig. It's a verbal shell game.
I found the CURE for addiction and I have proof for this claim. Click on my name and witness Powerful Stories of Freedom. I personally know and have witnessed over 100 addicts who have found True and Lasting FREEDOM after being enslaved by their addictions for so long. I have been through many programs for my addiction, but have never found so much Hope, Joy, Peace, and Love than I have in the program I am in now. And the people I know who have given their stories are experiencing the same!
The idea that alcoholism is a disease has always been a political and moral notion with no scientific basis. It was first promoted in the U.S. around 1785 as an erroneous physiological theory (Levine, 1978), and later became a theme of the temperance movement (Gusfield, 1963). It was revived by AA in the 1930s, which derived its views from an amalgam of religious ideas, personal experiences, anecdotal observations, and the unsubstantiated theories of a contemporary physician (Robinson, 1979)...
if god can relieve the alcoholic of his disease one day at a time ,,why do we not have diabetes anonymous and multiple slorosis anonymous or cancer anonymous,,i go to aa and can see that people have to go frequently to keep the dream alive,bit like christians and muslims,if you dont practice your natural self will evolve,,trouble is we dont like who we are !!! truth i love us all the way we are ,,but can we just get on with life,,there are no real problems,just the ones we make up in our minds!!
Bullshit....You say that there are alcoholics that were once severe alcoholics, are no longer once they reach a certain age...? Do you speak from experience..? i do, and I know many people that have gone years without drinking and relapsed and there right back from where they left off...Until you spend some time with alcoholics or are one then you shouldn't really spew "facts"that aren't really facts...also, im not arguing wether or not it's a disease..im still undecided.
In the AA Big book, in the section called "the Doctor's Opinion" compulsive drinking is described as the manifestation of an allergy. Today, the newer term "sensitization" might be used. To be sure, there is a point where certain people can no longer drink alcohol safely (allergy), but incredibly,they still have an obsession to do so. That is the problem. AA calls it an illness of the body, mind and spirit. I agree.
Characterizing addiction as a brain disease misappropriates language more properly used to describe conditions such as multiple sclerosis or schizophrenia—afflictions that are neither brought on by sufferers themselves nor modifiable by their desire to be well. Also, the brain disease rhetoric is fatalistic, implying that users can never fully free themselves of their drug or alcohol problems.
NO IT IS NOT A FUCKING DISEASE I fucking hate drunks, my old man is an alcoholic who has lost 2 homes that we lived in and continues to drink like theres no tomorrow because he doesnt give a fuck about anything but how he's going to get his next fix of booze,he can barely walk any fucking more and I'm sick of watching this shit,I'm gonna fuckin snap.I busted my arm so bad one time the only thing keeping it together was the flesh,fucker actually stopped to get booze before we went to the hospital
Yes, I do see your point, and these things are debated endlessly. AA believes that alcoholism is a life-long condition. Once you have become a real alcoholic, you will never be able to drink alcohol safely again.
The American Medical Assn calls alcoholism a disease. So does the World Health Organization. Alcoholics Anonymous calls it "a seemingly impossible condition of mind and body"
Any way you call it, it's nasty business - argueably Americas' biggest health problem.
BULLSHIT - Give us page or article form AMA. Also while you are at it tell us the authors of your claim - my guess is they are AA front groups like NCADD.
Please cite page number in DSM-IV for your disease claim. I know you can't and it is about time other people know it to.
Now I see where you have been lurking. Don't you ever get tired of telling the same old lies?
Without question, alcoholism is an illness. In the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous the word "disease" is not used, and AA does not take a position on the definition and is concerned ONLY with recovery from the condition. Without question, the condition is progressive. For an explanation of a "real alcoholic", read the Big Book, pages 21-25.
I quote Tosh,; "Steve Jobs had a disease. Steve-o had bad parents."
TheyxSeexMexTrollin 3 months ago
The disease model is meaningless because the definition of addiction involves everything from genetics to cravings to withdrawal symptoms to subsequent organ damage to alleged "dry drunk" behavior when not using. So, if you try to have a discussion about addiction as a disease, the subject keeps changing from one aspect to the other - like trying to get hold of a greased pig. It's a verbal shell game.
prschuster 1 year ago
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I found the CURE for addiction and I have proof for this claim. Click on my name and witness Powerful Stories of Freedom. I personally know and have witnessed over 100 addicts who have found True and Lasting FREEDOM after being enslaved by their addictions for so long. I have been through many programs for my addiction, but have never found so much Hope, Joy, Peace, and Love than I have in the program I am in now. And the people I know who have given their stories are experiencing the same!
mdcombs79 1 year ago
The idea that alcoholism is a disease has always been a political and moral notion with no scientific basis. It was first promoted in the U.S. around 1785 as an erroneous physiological theory (Levine, 1978), and later became a theme of the temperance movement (Gusfield, 1963). It was revived by AA in the 1930s, which derived its views from an amalgam of religious ideas, personal experiences, anecdotal observations, and the unsubstantiated theories of a contemporary physician (Robinson, 1979)...
Hammersley1967 1 year ago
if god can relieve the alcoholic of his disease one day at a time ,,why do we not have diabetes anonymous and multiple slorosis anonymous or cancer anonymous,,i go to aa and can see that people have to go frequently to keep the dream alive,bit like christians and muslims,if you dont practice your natural self will evolve,,trouble is we dont like who we are !!! truth i love us all the way we are ,,but can we just get on with life,,there are no real problems,just the ones we make up in our minds!!
brocqy12 2 years ago
@brocqy12
I like your point it is not a diease . It is a chioce.
13SuperKings 1 year ago
Of course it's not a disease! What kind of morons are out there that it is even questioned?
Morethanenough1 2 years ago
Not a disease. Anyone who thinks so is just trying to be PC or shove off personal responsability and consequences onto others.
11visionary11 2 years ago 2
Bullshit....You say that there are alcoholics that were once severe alcoholics, are no longer once they reach a certain age...? Do you speak from experience..? i do, and I know many people that have gone years without drinking and relapsed and there right back from where they left off...Until you spend some time with alcoholics or are one then you shouldn't really spew "facts"that aren't really facts...also, im not arguing wether or not it's a disease..im still undecided.
GWDPREZ07 2 years ago
In the AA Big book, in the section called "the Doctor's Opinion" compulsive drinking is described as the manifestation of an allergy. Today, the newer term "sensitization" might be used. To be sure, there is a point where certain people can no longer drink alcohol safely (allergy), but incredibly,they still have an obsession to do so. That is the problem. AA calls it an illness of the body, mind and spirit. I agree.
weinerout 2 years ago
Characterizing addiction as a brain disease misappropriates language more properly used to describe conditions such as multiple sclerosis or schizophrenia—afflictions that are neither brought on by sufferers themselves nor modifiable by their desire to be well. Also, the brain disease rhetoric is fatalistic, implying that users can never fully free themselves of their drug or alcohol problems.
POLYMORPHLEGION 2 years ago
To call it a disease is outright dishonest. Interesting that this whole disease ideal comes from a program that claims "rigorous honesty".
I guess that makes them hypocrites?
isegoria1 3 years ago 2
NO IT IS NOT A FUCKING DISEASE I fucking hate drunks, my old man is an alcoholic who has lost 2 homes that we lived in and continues to drink like theres no tomorrow because he doesnt give a fuck about anything but how he's going to get his next fix of booze,he can barely walk any fucking more and I'm sick of watching this shit,I'm gonna fuckin snap.I busted my arm so bad one time the only thing keeping it together was the flesh,fucker actually stopped to get booze before we went to the hospital
GaryGolems 3 years ago
Yes, I do see your point, and these things are debated endlessly. AA believes that alcoholism is a life-long condition. Once you have become a real alcoholic, you will never be able to drink alcohol safely again.
S0RDIDTRUTH 3 years ago
The American Medical Assn calls alcoholism a disease. So does the World Health Organization. Alcoholics Anonymous calls it "a seemingly impossible condition of mind and body"
Any way you call it, it's nasty business - argueably Americas' biggest health problem.
S0RDIDTRUTH 3 years ago
BULLSHIT - Give us page or article form AMA. Also while you are at it tell us the authors of your claim - my guess is they are AA front groups like NCADD.
Please cite page number in DSM-IV for your disease claim. I know you can't and it is about time other people know it to.
Now I see where you have been lurking. Don't you ever get tired of telling the same old lies?
isegoria1 3 years ago
Without question, alcoholism is an illness. In the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous the word "disease" is not used, and AA does not take a position on the definition and is concerned ONLY with recovery from the condition. Without question, the condition is progressive. For an explanation of a "real alcoholic", read the Big Book, pages 21-25.
S0RDIDTRUTH 3 years ago