aThe LORD is about to shut the door( Rev. 3:7b ) on The Ark of HIS Grace. When this happens The Flood of Great Destruction will sweep across the whole world. A persons Obedience to Romans 10:9 &10 will ensure then entrance into The Ark. Do NOT delay to come on board. Today is The Day of Salvation.The Gift of GOD is Eternal Life ( Romans 6:23b ) It is The Will of GOD in Christ that all be Saved (1 Timothy 2: 4 & 5 )
I never said you were using a Concordance...I just asked if you knew how? I would like to learn how and was wondering were you got the different language font on your computer because this seems helpful. I recognize the words "hagion, pneuma and Theos." I really just want to live my everyday life where I am living and walking with God. This is the greatest achievement possible...this is true success! I really didn't think we were not on the same page...just though we were sharing :) God bless!
@Rebeccabelievesful, you may not have noticed, but I was conversing with @sampson802002 as well, and a portion of my responses paralleled some of yours. So, the comments you thought were directed to you were actually being directed to me. Unfortunately, @sampson802002 became abusive and I had to remove him from this site. I very much appreciate your comments, however. Very well done. :)
"For if the blood of goats and calves and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who were defiled sanctified them even to the cleansing of their flesh, How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works so that we may serve the living God?" Hebrews 9:13,14 "Likewise, you must consider yourself as being dead to sin, but alive to God through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:11
I just read through all of the posts and am wondering where we got tripped up? It seems like we were on the same page. The only thing I really noticed was that you got me wrong in saying that no one could have Holy Spirit until a certain time. God did give his Spirit to people in the Old Testament. Even if they were saved...people still had to make a blood sacrafice. Christ has made it so that we don't have to do that anymore. I was just stating how great it is to live in the day and age we do!
@Rebeccabelievesful Why did a god have to die, to abolish a Stone-Age custom of sacrificing animals ? Doesn`t make sense at all. Human sacrifices were abolishes in Mayan culture, cannibalism was abolished in Papou-New-Guinee, did a god have to die to do that ? Makes no sense.
"For what man knows the mind of man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so, no one knows the mind of God exept the Spirit of God." I Cor. 2:11 "These things, my brethren, concerning myself and Apollos I have pictured for your sakes, that in our example you may learn not to think beyond that which is written, and let no one exalt himself over his fellow man on account of any man." I Cor. 4:6
There was nothing you said that I thought was incorrect but I am not sure if you meant that you believe that God is not a spirit? I was thinking that it would be a blessing to share verses and talk about how wonderful God is...no one is perfect but Gods Word is perfect. You could spend a lifetime studing the Word and still not know everything. "For now we see through a mirror, darkly; but then face to face. Now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." I Cor. 13:12
I am not sure what I twisted? I think you are misunderstanding what I said? I am also not sure of what you are trying to say. I don't think that God is JUST Spirit. I posted some scriptures to my knowledge of what you were saying God is. You said He is Holy and Spirit...I think that He is too. Nothing I said was of assumptions...I just posted some verses on the topic we were talking about...of what I thought we were talking about. What did I say that you said was incorrect?
@sampson802002, Look, friend, you and I will have to agree to disagree. My suggestion is this: if you feel so strongly about the things you post here, perhaps you should start your own website. It really doesn't bless God when brethren start sniping at each other, which is the direction you seem to have taken in your above posts. You've made your points. Perhaps it's a good time to think about moving on. What do you think? Thanks.
@sampson802002, you say "never" and, respectfully, you are incorrect. Holy Spirit and God ARE used interchangeably and your explanation is not at all satisfactory. You seem to be driving a theological agenda in verses that are very clear. By quoting pneuma hagion and theos in the Greek and then saying they are never interchangeable is erroneous and a non-sequitir. I'm very familiar with both terms, and their Greek translation contributes nothing to the discussion.
@sampson802002, one more thing to keep in mind. While there are times when the use of Greek words contribute to understanding a difficult passage. There are other times, however, when a person will gratuitously drop Greek words into their discussion to "weight" their argument and distract from the rationale of the discussion. When a person does this, it's a dishonest handling of the Word. So, remember, I have a concordance too. As to your argument about "root words", well, it's simply incorrect
@sampson802002, in conclusion. God is spirit. God is holy. This is TRUTH. God pours out of what He is. The GIVER and the GIFT. Now, there's tremendous understanding when a person grasps this idea. You can continue to haggle about minutia, and that is certainly your privilege. Unfortunately, by doing so, you miss not only the point but a golden opportunity. Your choice. :)
@justtruthit Yes God is a spirit yet he also has a body as well, as the Bible states as well. To say that God is only spirit is not the full truth. God is the giver and his gift other than His Son is the Holy Spirit. ‘minutia’ means “A minute particular; a small or minor detail” so understanding what the words in the Bible truly means is a minor detail to you? This is sad, but not unexpected. I don’t have an agenda other than the truth of the scriptures not man’s perversion of them.
@justtruthit You are incorrect here. If you do not know what the words meant when they were written, you do not understand what was and is being said nor what is meant. By doing what you and many others do you can twist and make the scriptures say anything you want. I am glad that you have a concordance, now please use it and study.
@sampson802002, just for clarification. "Hagion" translates to "Holy", "Pneuma" to "Spirit", "Theos" to "God". They're one-to-one. So ... yes; they ARE different words. Thanks for clearing that up for us. Besides this, however, what else is accomplished by inserting Greek? No one has contested that there isn't a Greek equivalent for the English. And where is this twisting you speak of? Do be careful with your accusations, @sampson802002. The Word speaks of accountability for every idle word.
@justtruthit Who said that I am using a concordance? That is an assumption and most of the time assumptions are far from the truth. But a concordance is a good start.
I am trying to learn to work a concordance. Do you know how? Where did you get the font you used and the words? Bible works is a great thing to download. There is SO much to be learned and I am thankful that God works with us on an individual level. I know this is true because there will be things on my heart and prayers....questions...and when I open up my Bible, God's Word speaks to me and others too I am sure. Thankful for everything Christ made available! Patiently waiting His return...:)
@sampson802002 Part 4 The word Holy Spirit is from two Greek words “hagios ” and “pneuma”, while the Word God is the Greek word “theos” , they are never used interchangeably it is the same way in the Hebrew. Speaking of the Holy Spirit /Ghost it is always referred to as being OF God, meaning that the Spirit is OF God, He sends it from Himself to do His Will.
@sampson802002 Part 5 Joh_14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.. If the Holy Spirit is God then why would the Son of God say that His Father will send the Holy Spirit and not just say that the Father will come to you?
When the Bible gives God physical characteristics it is a figure of speech to put emphasis. *These are Hebrew words* Elohim=God the creator Jehovah=He who created, in relationship to what He has created El-Shaddai="Almighty God" omnipotent. But again I have realized that you and I are not here to argue about these things unless you are not saved! God has given us the ministry of reconciliation! We don't ever have to wonder who He is because we have in the scriptures who He is!
@Rebeccabelievesful I am just saying that he is more than just a spirit, He has a form and we and made in His image, he can walk, He can sit etc., as is in evidence in the scriptures. The word “'ĕlôhı̂ym” does not always mean The supreme God, it can also mean judges, angels, Even God called the judges of Israel “'ĕlôhı̂ym”
@Rebeccabelievesful Part 1 Ok look at the words Spirit and spirit. The one that is capitalized is referring to God and the non-capitalized is referring to men. Yet they are both the same Greek word, “πνεῦμα”, pronounced “pnyoo'-mah”.
@sampson802002 Part 2 Meaning “a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit: - ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind.”
@sampson802002 Part 3 Notice that human meaning; “that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition”. So how are we to worship God? By our vital principle, our mental disposition, the same way we are to Love God; Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Yes I am a big believer in keeping things in context...if not you can distort the thinking. Never believe something just because someone says it. You have to find it for yourself. Greek and Hebrew helps...I am not a pro because I have to look them all up. All capitalization and punctuation has been added...this wasn't found in the early Greek manuscripts. ITWOULDREADLIKETHIS.
@Rebeccabelievesful kk I understand and agree that God Is Holy; Psa 99:9 Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the LORD our God is holy. However I am not familiar with a verse that states God is spirit please.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." II Timothy 3:16 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." II Timothy 2:15 *That rightly-dividing is the only place found in the Bible* "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge..." Hosea 4:6a "Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us."
@Rebeccabelievesful But one needs to keep it in context, line upon line, precept upon precept. You need to read and study before, during and after in order to understand what is written. It really helps to know what these words meant when it was written, not what they mean with today’s understanding of the same words.
I am sure it is used indecently and out of order...but God doesn't give a counterfeit spirit.It is not a tool used for concentration. "The Spirit Itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:" Rom. 8:16 *Proves we are children of God* "He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself:...I John 5:10a *Again a witness that you are saved, or filled with the Spirit* "For with stammering lips and another tongue will He speak to this people." Isaiah 28:11 Rest
What I am trying to say is that I believe the "gift" we are speaking of is the gift of the Holy Spirit. God is holy and He is spirit. He (God) is the Holy Spirit and yet the gift (or power from on high) is the gift of the holy spirit that every person recieves at the moment of the new birth. Whether they receive it into manifestation is based on their believing. A huge reason Jesus Christ died was that so we could have holy spirit again! Before his ascension there was none available!
@Rebeccabelievesful Part 1 The Bible does not say “spirit is God” it states “Spirit OF God” these two statements are totally different. The Bible never teaches that the Holy Spirit IS God but it does teach that the Holy Spirit is OF God. In the Hebrew the statement ““Spirit OF God”” the “of God” is the Hebrew word is “רוּח”
@sampson802002 Part 2 pronounced “roo'-akh” and means “wind; by resemblance breath, that is, a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extension a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions):” The “of God” is the Hebrew word “'ĕlôhı̂ym” which means “gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God”
@sampson802002 Part 3 so notice that the Hebrew word “'ĕlôhı̂ym” is specifically OF God; The Spirit is OF God. It is not God. Is God ONLY a Spirit? No the Bible teaches that He has a butt, he sits on a throne, He has feet, He walked in the Garden, He has hand etc. can God be a Spirit? Yes he can, but He is not just a spirit.
@sampson802002 Part 4 You stated “Before his ascension there was none available!” So what about Ex 31:3, Num 24:2, 1 Sam 10:10 or Job 34:4 and many other tines that the Spirit of God came upon Men? The Holy Spirit has always been available to men, before the Son of God came to this earth, study the OT please.
@sampson802002, as for you claim that the Bible never teaches the Holy Spirit is God - that's incorrect. In Heb. 3:7-8, it says "...as THE HOLY SPIRIT saith, To day if ye will hear his voice ..." Heb. 4:7 also uses the same quote but, rather than holy spirit, it attributes it to GOD by saying "... again he [context is GOD] appoints a certain day, ... “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” Both are quotes from Psalm 95. GOD and HOLY SPIRIT are used interchangeably.
@justtruthit Part 1 David when pleading with The Almighty had this to say concerning the Holy Spirit. “Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.” Notice that it is ‘THY Holy Spirit’. Also notice in Isa 63:10 “But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.”
@sampson802002, the answer is this: God gives what He is. God is Holy Spirit and he gives holy spirit, the gift. There's no confusion here. The Giver and the gift. It's God in Christ in You (2 Cor. 5:19 and Col. 1:27).
"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophesy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." II Peter 1:20,21 *This is saying that no part of the Bible is open for discussion or what you think it means...none of us are perfect, but the Bible only has one true meaning.
Further there could be a person in that church that will interpret (as Paul proscribed) for me to those in the church so that they may be edified. For if I come to your church and I speak in ‘tongues’ something that no one can understand then I am edifying myself. I have heard this ‘speaking’ in tongue’s in a church and there was no interpreter and many people where speaking in ‘tongues’. There was no interpreter,1Co 14:28
@sampson802002 So true people do read into the scriptures, Paul even said 1Co 14:5 Paul states that it is greater to ‘prophesied’ as opposed to speaking on tongues. The word “prophesied’ is the Greek word “προφητεύω” which means “to foretell events, divine, speak under inspiration, exercise the prophetic office”. It is better to be an inspired speaker than to speak in tongues.
@sampson802002, Prophesy is a message from or for God, and nowhere in the Bible is it defined SOLELY as a message of FORETELLING. If you read the prophets, they did much more FORTH-TELLING. All the references of "Thus saith the Lord ... " are examples. It is an incorrect notion to say that prophesy is all foretelling.
@justtruthit Please note that I did NOT state nor did I claim that Prophesy is ALL foretelling. Read what was written, along with foretelling prophesy can be an inspired speaker as well. And Paul did desire that people to prophesy about speaking in tongues as the verse I stated shows.
If I come to a church that speaks a language that I do not know God, can give me the gift of tongues (languages) so that the people there can understand what I am saying. He can also make it so that they all could understand me as well, just like in the Book of Acts. It is never gibberish as it happens in some churches today.
I'm really having a hard time following what you are saying. Please make your replies to this post and not at the top of the page. If you are saying that Speaking in Tongues is where God works in you to speak to a group of folks in a church when you do not understand the language - say, if you don't speak Spanish but God causes you to in a Spanish church in order to give them a message - that is exactly wrong. This is why there is the corresponding interpretation of tongues.
@justtruthit Sorry about that, but replies confuse me at times. Actually I’m saying that yes, but it is not just in ‘church’ that God would do that or has done that. The proof if this is in the Book of Acts chapter 2, There where men from different parts of the world that hear these followers of the Way speaking in their OWN tongues (In every verse in the NT where the word ‘tongues is used it means ‘language’)
@sampson802002 I had a lady in my home one day, after about an hour or so of talking she started speaking in gibberish. She said that it was the heavenly language and it was a message but she did not know what it meant that I would at some point know the meaning of it. Well that was 4 years ago, I could not tell you what it was that she said let alone the meaning. If God had a message for me He is would tell me in a language that I know, satan is the one that confuses people not God.
@sampson802002 You are correct about Acts 2, but this is the ONLY instance in the Bible where people understood the message in their native language. Nowhere else is it used for this purpose. Think about it, if tongues were a new tool given ot the Church for evangelism, and Acts is all about preaching the gospel, wouldn't you expect tongues to be used this way throughout the book of Acts?
@justtruthit You do not understand what the word tongue means. In the NT it only means “other tongued, that is, a foreigner or the tongue; by implication a language (specifically one naturally unacquired”. The example is in the book of Acts there is no other example. Paul does give explanation’s and insight as to who, when and how it comes about. I am not saying that it is an ‘evangelism’ TOOL. But it is how God will and has allowed others to communicate with each other when the Good News.
@sampson802002 The DOCTRINAL PURPOSE of tongues, rather, is given in 1 Corinthians 12 and 14. Neither of these chapters gives evangelism as the purpose for tongues but instead teach that tongues is for PRAISE and WORSHIP, both public and private. These chapters teach that WHENEVER tongues are given in PUBLIC worship, they MUST BE interpreted, since without this no one will understand (1 Cor. 14:2, 16).
@justtruthit Could you give scripture that clearly supports your prier statement concerning ‘tongues’ is or was ever used for praise and worship? 1 Cr 14:22 Paul is teaching that ‘tongues’ is for a sign to those who believe. If you look at other text you will find this to be the case.
@sampson802002, you're correct. Tongues is a sign to unbelievers - that is ONE of its purposes. But as you noted above, tongues are a language, but an unknown language of men and of angels (1 Cor. 13:1), that, without interpretation, is not understood. 1 Corinthians 14:2 says, "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but UNTO GOD: for NO MAN UNDERSTANDETH HIM ...". So the idea is that something is said in tongues, and its contents are given in interpretation.
@sampson802002, Now, verse supporting the worship nature of tongues:
1. Acts 2:11 "... we do hear them speak in our tongues the WONDERFUL WORKS OF GOD."
2. 1 Corinthians 14:16-17 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy GIVING OF THANKS, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? For thou verily GIVETH THANKS WELL ..."
3. Acts 10:46 "For they heard them speak with tongues, and MAGNIFY GOD."
@justtruthit Part 1; In your statement you mentioned the word ‘mysteries’ 1Co 14:2 that word is the Greek word “μυστήριον” pronounced “moos-tay'-ree-on” which means “(to shut the mouth) a secret or “mystery”” . Now if as you say that this is speaking to God in the ‘Spirit’ then what secret are you telling the Almighty that He does not already know? notice that word ’spirit’ is not capitalized as it is when the writer is speaking concerning the Spirit of God, Matt 4:1 with Mat 5:3
@sampson802002 Part 2; there is a grammatical difference between the words ‘Spirit’ and ‘spirit’ and the use of the two words. The word ‘Spirit’ is used if is referring to the Spirit of God, or the Holy Spirit. Whoever the use of the word ‘spirit’ denotes something merely of men. Now what is this word ‘spirit in the Greek?
@sampson802002 Part 3; It is the Greek word “πνεῦμα” pronounced pneuma and means ‘current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit:’
@sampson802002 Part 4; So looking at what Paul wrote concerning the lower case ‘spirit’ we clearly see that this ‘spirit’ the Rational soul or man’s mental disposition, and not the Spirit of God in this verse. It is my very being that is calling out to the Almighty, I might not know just what to say but God knows.
@sampson802002 Part 5 Act2:11 has nothing to do with worshipping God in the spirit. Look at the verses prior it was the followers of the way who were speaking in languages in the listeners on languages. The followers of the Way were speaking of God and of the ways of God. It does not say or imply that this ‘giving thanks’ is speaking in tongues. Giving thanks in the Greek means “gratitude; actually grateful language (to God, as an act of worship)”.
@sampson802002 Part 6 I like Acts 10:46 “speak with tongues”, that word speak is the Greek word “λαλέω”, pronounced “lal-eh'-o” and means to; “to talk, that is, utter words: - preach” the Greek word for “with tongues” is the Greek word “gloce'-sah” and means “the tongue; by implication a language (specifically one naturally unacquired)”. Notice that this tongues is a Language that is NOT naturally acquired; which means that God gave these new followers the ability to speak a foreign language.
@sampson802002 Part 7 That word language means “Any means of conveying or communicating ideas; specifically, human speech; the expression of ideas by the voice; sounds, expressive of thought, articulated by the organs of the throat and mouth. &hand; Language consists in the oral utterance of sounds which usage has made the representatives of ideas.”
@sampson802002 Part 8 As I understood the speaking in tongues is that it came upon those who had been baptized of water correct? If this is true then you offered me a text to support worshipping in ‘tongues’ when it teaches that people can be filled with the Spirit of God BEFORE the water baptism.
4. 1 Corinthians 14:2 "... howbeit in the spirit he SPEAKETH MYSTERIES."
5. 1 Corinthians 14:14 "... or if I pray in an unknown tongue, MY SPIRIT PRAYETH ..."
6. 1 Corinthians 14:2 "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men but UNTO GOD" (mentioned earlier)
So, Speaking in Tongues is private prayer and public praise to God. Remember, the interpretation must be given of the tongues since no one understands the tongue.
@justtruthit ACYes after all thats said & done the ONLY thing that matters is ARE YOU SAVED/BORN AGAIN. And if you think you are do you have your New Birth Certificate? For those who are not yet saved you can get saved by doing Romans 10:9&10 .Now at The Appointed Time The Lord Jesus Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout & all those who have been sealed by The Holy Spirit shall be Lifted Up to meet the Lord in the air.1 Thessalonians 4:15-18. Maranatha. Amen & Amen
@justtruthit Part 1 1Co 14:2 ? go back a verse and to 1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. 1Co 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. Why is it that this ‘speaking’ in ‘tongues’ is held as the primary outward sign that you are filled with the ‘spirit’? But the Greatest gift is Charity which is Love.
@sampson802002 Part 2 Then he states that if one speaks in an unknown language that men cannot understand but he is speaking into God. Verse 3 teaches “But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort” You have left out so much by not keeping your teaching in context. You cannot take 1 verse here and another there to make you doctrine, this is false teaching, Go line upon line.
@sampson802002 The reason you did not understand the woman's message is because there was no interpretation given. Tongues and Interpretation are COMPANION manifestations in public worship.
So, yes, you are correct. Satan does confuse people and God does not. But the confusion was not with the tongues but in the fact that the woman did not interpret the message given in tongues.
@sampson802002 Related to this, above you said "it is greater to ‘prophesied’ as opposed to speaking on tongues".1 Corinthians 14:5 actually says, "... for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, EXCEPT he interpret, that the church may receive edifying." So, in public worship, prophesy is better than tongues EXCEPT when the tongues are interpreted, so that people may UNDERSTAND the message. If there's no interpretation, there's no understanding, and no edification.
@sampson802002 you used the right words and i'm agree 100% and those who said spoke tongues i'm telling you they spoke with devils and even no one could listen there
@MacAttack3310 From your post, I'm not sure if you're disagreeing with me or sampson802002. Yes, it is an unknown tongue. No, it's not used for evangelism. If you are disagreeing with me, please see my response above to @sampson802002.
1Co 12:10 “To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:”. It is still the same Greek word here which means languages. And remember 1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
In Acts those people did in fact speak in tongues. However, in the following verses it also teaches that those who heard them speaking heard them those speaking in ‘tounges’ in their OWN LANGUGE and remember that they were from many different lands with different languages. The Greek word “γλῶσσα” which in English is “tongues’ and in Greek every time it means “the tongue; by implication a language (specifically one naturally unacquired).
@sampson802002, you referenced a verse but didn't supply it. You are probably referring to the verses in Acts 2. Yes, tongues does mean languages. This record, though, is the only one recorded where the people present understood the message. Now I'm not entirely the point you were making in your post; but from this account in Acts, unfortunately, people have wrongly deduced that tongues is some sort of evangelistic capability of the early church.
@justtruthit Speaking in other languages that God gives some of the believers is not the same as it is today in the churches. Today it is gibberish. That was my point that I was attempting to make, sorry
@sampson802002, It isn't. If it were, you would expect to see it employed throughout the book of Acts, and it is not. If you read 1 Corinthians 12 and 14, tongues is used in one of two ways: a) personal worship, and b) worship in the assembly of believers.
@justtruthit Do you really believe that one needs to speak to the Almighty in this ‘tongues’ for Him to understand what you are saying? What language did the Son of God speak too His father in? How about Moses, Abraham, Jacob, Adam? Did they speak this ‘tongue’s’ as some churches teach today?
Yes but I want a scripture besides corinthians 12 'cause that is the one passage that contradicts all the many others that I have found. This is not an attempt to change your mind 'cause you have probably heard this info before. Hopefully I am not annoying or offending you with this because when I say that I believe everyone...that includes you too. There is this 76 hour long Bible class and at the end everyone in the room speaks in tongues. Are you in Indy? How old? I am 27. God Bless!
@Rebeccabelievesful I do not agree that this is the only scripture that condradicts this teaching. The other scripture you believe it contradicts are only appearing this way because you are attributing an incorrect assumption to them.
Could you please specify a particular scripture you mean and I will share how I see it is properly understood.
I am in Canada actually and am 46. Blessings to you also.
@Rebeccabelievesful Regarding the 76 hour long class- believe it or not there have been very indepth studies done regarding what is called speaking in tongues in our modern day and it has been demonstrated that athiests can actually be taught the same and make the exact same type of utterances with no distinguishing difference.
It is also reported to be practiced by other religious groups and cult groups even prior to Christs birth.
@Rebeccabelievesful What do I consider modern day 'speaking in tongues'? I do not believe it harmful when practiced by an individual privately. I do believe it to be a phenomenon of the mind as the speaker utters sounds in response to their deep felt prayers. It could be a tool that helps a person focus.
There is a legitimate gift that has been used as in Acts 2 etc. and it may be used by God today if needed but this is not what is heard so often in modern churches.
"Now, therefore, if God has equally given gifts to the Gentiles who believe in our Lord Jesus Christ, just as he gave to us, who am I that I should dispute God?" Acts 11:17
"And the Jewish converts who had come with him were seized with amazement because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out on the Gentiles also; For they heard them speak with different tongues, and magnify God." Acts 10:45,46
"Then I remembered that word of our Lord, when he said, John indeed baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit." Acts 11:16
@Rebeccabelievesful ever been to a sporting event and hear the crowd cheering when a goal was scored? Though you would say the crowd was cheering-not everyone in the crowd would be. Yet we say we heard them cheer.
Do you think it is just as easy this passage is written in the same way? It addresses the crowd as a single entity and does not say each and every person present spoke in tongues. Again that would contradict 1 Cor 12.
"And I will send upon you the promise of my Father; but remain in the city of Jerusalem until you are clothed with power from on high." Luke 24:49 "And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak in various languages, according to whatever the Spirit gave them to speak." Acts 2:4
"And let patience be a perfect work, that you may be perfect and entire, lacking nothing. If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all men liberally and with grace, and it will be given him." James 1:4,5
I understand...but this passage clearly contradicts MANY others in the Bible. So how do we explain this? Is God wrong?...I think not. "For you may all prophesy one by, so that everyone may learn and every one be comforted." I Corinthians 14:31
"Which things we speak, not only in words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual." I Corinthians 2:13
I am not sure about this guy. He is hard to listen to. There were few videos pertaining to the topic. I would say that 99% of Christian agree with you, even my best friend. We had a long talk about it one day and just agreed to disagree because she was firm in her beliefs and so am I. There is nothing wrong in sharing scripture though...that is what I enjoy doing...not arguing.
That is what the Bible tells me. That isn't what I say it's what the Bible says. Its not something to argue person to person with. I just wanted to share things that the Bible says to bless other people. I would be interested to find a scripture that says otherwise?
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heaven through Christ; Just as from the beginning he has chosen us through him before the foundation of the world, that we may become holy and without blemish before him." ~Ephesians 1:3,4
"So if you, who err, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father give the Holy Spirit from heaven to those who ask him?"
The manifestation is given to every born-again man or woman to profit and edify others eaither in private prayer life or in a believers meeting. If God gave one thing to one of His sons or daughters and another thing to another one, then it could not be all in all. How could each person be complete if something were missing? God is no respector of persons nor does one get more holy spirit than the next.
@justtruthit Thanks, I have pondered stand-up, but I think I'm just outmatched by the hilarity of Christian fundamentalists. God creating dinosaur bones as a test of man's faith, I mean, how can I compete with that!? Good luck there mate!
@chialiwa I'm not sure what church you're going to, MATE, but I've never heard that taught. But your bias seems to be very well fed and cared for, so good luck with that. Take care.
@justtruthit I don't go to any church, mate, er...I mean sir (sorry, I'm British). Yes, I agree, what a crackpot theory, one that is professed by many fundamentalist Christian churches in America. Almost as wacky as the belief that God can communicate an unintelligible sacred language from the heavens.
@chialiwa, that's fine. It's just unfortunate to me that, as you said above, your future aspirations consist of decomposing back into the atoms you were made of, rather than accepting eternal life. I've a question. Judging from your earlier responses, you're sure to have another snappy reply, but I'm asking on the outside chance you'll consider my questions sincerely. When you strip away everything else, WHAT makes life meaningful? Do you believe there's a loving God who's interested in you?
@justtruthit I do not rely on the prospect of eternal life to make me happy. I thoroughly enjoy every day that I have while I exist. I work as a micro-propagator of plants for the nursery trade and create life every day. I love my friends and my family, and love my freedom to think for myself, so when it is my time to die, I will die happy. This is meaning and purpose enough in my eyes. Non-existence does not scare me like it scares a religious person.
@justtruthit I didn't live before 1981, or 1775 for that matter, and I wasn't unhappy then or in pain, because I was non-existent. I find it troubling that so many people waste their naturally endowed freedom of thought to living in fear of a jealous, judgemental god, while basing their morality strictly upon their fear of this god and in anticipation of rewards in an impossible afterlife, rather than basing their morality on a sense of human duty or good. Why does good necessarily require god?
@chialiwa Finally, no I do not believe in a loving god who is interested in me, but I do believe in loving people who are interested in me, and because I know they are real I never have to doubt their love. I don't believe that love is exclusive to humanity, however. I see love in an alligator protecting its eggs in its mouth or in the monogamous behaviours of eagles, etc. Though their consciousnesses are not as evolved as ours, they act out of natural good, not from biblical guidance.
@chialiwa, OK, that's fair. Thanks for your response. And while I feel you're missing out on a dimension of life that would be such a blessing to you, I respect your point of view. I would encourage you to keep an open mind on the subject. :)
@justtruthit Thank you. I also respect your right to your point of view as well, and I am convinced that your convictions bring you great happiness. I do try and keep an open mind, but some times I feel that within some religious faiths there lurk charlatans who do harm upon others by preying upon their good natures with claims of divine powers. I think a line needs to be drawn when freedom of thought begins harming the vulnerabilities of others. Thanks for listening, and being open-minded.
@creforce This is just a suggestion, but, in the future, maybe spend a little more time on your grammar and spelling. I'm sure you want to leave a good impression, don't you? Now you have a blessed day, ya hear.
This is misleading. Of course, God wants all of us to grow in a closer relationship, but read Corinthians 14:18 "I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. BUT in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousands words in tongue".
@mrgoldindex having said that though. speaking in tongues is really amazing. I've heard several stories of missionaries speaking in tongues and then the locals saying they just spoke in Portuguese or Hindi.
@mrgoldindex Hi there. I'm not sure I understand your point. I'll take a stab at it, however. Tongues is for BOTH a) private worship,and b) public worship. Paul challenges the Corinthians to Speak in Tongues MUCH more, BOTH in their private and public worship, and gives himself as an example of this. In our private worship, when we speak in tongues, we "gives thanks well" (1 Cor. 14:7) and "speaks the wonderful works of God" (Acts 2:11), edifying ourselves (1 Cor. 14:2 and Jude 1:20).
@mrgoldindex In private, "... my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful". We’re edified by the speaking in tongues itself.
However, IN THE CHURCH, 1 Cor. 14:5 says, "I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, EXCEPT HE INTERPRET, that the church may receive edifying." In public, folks are edified by the intelligible message, not the actual act of speaking in tongues itself.
So, Paul's point to the Corinthians is, "Follow my example - Speak in Tongues much! It edifies you! But when you do so in the public assembly, make sure you interpret so that others may be edified too."
For recap - in private, we are edified by Speaking in Tongues in our spirit; in public, with interpretation, we are edified in our thoughts.
And, YES, @mrgoldindex, I agree with you, Speaking in Tongues IS amazing!
I was raised Catholic, and I think that you are all crazy religious nuts, making random sounds with your mouths. Seriously, do you believe that you're really making some connection with god when you speak in tongues?
@aliendude5300, well, that's definitely AN opinion, and, I suppose, to be fair, you're entitled to it.
Having been raised Catholic myself, I recall we didn't spent too much time (actually, none at all) reading the Bible. But it's that Bible that we "religious nuts" hold as our ONLY rule of faith and practice. It's the Bible that defines "those things that are pleasing in his sight". So, in answer to your question, YES, because that's what the Bible teaches. God bless you, @allendude5300.
1Co 12:10 and to another workings of miracles; and to another prophecy; ... to another divers kinds of tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Co 12:28 ...And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, ... then gifts of healings, helps, governments, divers kinds of tongues. 29 ...30 have all gifts of healings? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
Could you provide teaching how these scriptures can be addressed in light of teaching everyone can speak in tongues?
In my own opinion the Speaking in Tongues happens only when our hearts are filled with the Power from the Holy Spirit, bursting out into a strange language, which is speaking in tongues. anyone who just stand up and start "Speaking in tongues" is a big question to me, because anyone could also mumble words that are strange. God bless us all
@nonette46 That's not a bad way of thinking of it - sort of an overflowing of the spirit. But remember this verse – "For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also." The key phrase here is "I WILL". As with standard praying or singing, speaking in tongues is an act of the will.
@nonette46 The scripture also says that "... he that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself". Often those are the very times when I'm not, as you say, "bursting out", that I need edification. So I agree with you – there are certainly times of "bursting out" with tongues, no doubt. But there are other times where it is a deliberate act of my will. I hope that helps. Thank you for your post. God bless you too.
A key issue dividing the church is caused by poor exegesis of the bible.
You can not cut it into pieces you like and ignore other parts. It must be taken as a whole.
In Acts, where it is mentioning people receiving the gift of tongues upon salvation, do not interpret based on what you believe is implied.
You can not build doctrine on an implication that all filled with the Spirit will speak in tongues. You can not toss out scripture that clearly says we receive different gifts as God choses.
@jrmaximus, While you encourage that scripture should not be "tossed out", aren't you doing that very thing when you disregard the importance of those Acts passages to this discussion by claiming they're being misinterpreted? It seems fairly apparent that those records indicate that new Christians spoke in tongues upon conversion. I'm not sure what other conclusion can be drawn.
@justtruthit 1Co 12:10 and to another workings of miracles; and to another prophecy; ... to another divers kinds of tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Co 12:28 ...And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, ... then gifts of healings, helps, governments, divers kinds of tongues. 29 ...30 have all gifts of healings? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
@justtruthit 1Co 14:5 Now I would have you all speak with tongues, but rather that ye should prophesy: and greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
-Why is tongues held in such high regard today in contrast to what is written here in scripture?
@jrmaximus Why is it that you think they spoke in tongues? And since it appears so often, why do you think speaking in tongues is so uniquely coupled with the conversion experience, and not, for instance, "discerning of spirits" or "gifts of healing"? Consider too the fact that speaking in tongues was the first "act" by ALL the Apostles in the Book of Acts on the Day of Pentecost. It seems to me that particular importance has been placed on it by the Holy Spirit to be so remarked upon.
@justtruthit Aside from pentecost where the apostles were given ability to preach to those of different languages you can only cite 2 examples in Acts. That doesn't sound as great of importance as you seem to be claiming it has. In Acts 10 It was a sign the Gentiles also were to receive.
Scriptures as 1 Cor 13 and 14 make it clear the church in Corinth needed to be reminded other gifts and attitudes were more important. They put it in a place of great importance and were rebuked.
@jrmaximus So either God chose only to record the conversion of those who had the "gift" of speaking in tongues, or it was something expected from all new converts in the early church.
1Co 12:10 and to another workings of miracles; and to another prophecy; ... to another divers kinds of tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Co 12:28 ...And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, ... then gifts of healings, helps, governments, divers kinds of tongues. 29 ...30 have all gifts of healings? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
lol i'm a hardcore Christian, but this guy cracks me up. I bet if he had seem himself at 3:31 when he was ten, he probably woulda committed suicide. lol just sayin. Just remember, i'm only joking, but this guy, while he is speaking the truth, is just downright funny
It also has many verses which speak on how we all have different spiritual gifts, and certain metaphorical verses saying "if the whole body was an eye how would it hear?" "if the whole body was an ear, how would it see?" Meaning we all have different gifts as different parts of one body that we must work together, if we all had the same gift we would be useless
So on that i dont think EVERYONE can speak in tongues, im Pentecostal but i cant, but thats ok
@Intellectual4God i totally agree with you brother, the bible teaches it is impossible for all to speak in tongues. plus i would not use the gift as he has done on this video.
@wellsbranchdude when you'll have the darkest day, when there will be no more hope, you remember this guy, and call to the Lord. He is not strange, he believes and loves thee true and onr GOD. God bless you, man
I'm from Germany. Over 50.000.000 Christians live here (mainly roman-catholics and protestants). A tiny percentage (maybe a few thousand from small protestant churches) speak in tongues. The huge majority has never even heard of it. It's not part of their believe system. The pope certainly never speaks in tongues. It's obviously a cultural thing and doesn't proof anything. If it were true and it were truly a gift from god, much more believers should speak in tongues.
aThe LORD is about to shut the door( Rev. 3:7b ) on The Ark of HIS Grace. When this happens The Flood of Great Destruction will sweep across the whole world. A persons Obedience to Romans 10:9 &10 will ensure then entrance into The Ark. Do NOT delay to come on board. Today is The Day of Salvation.The Gift of GOD is Eternal Life ( Romans 6:23b ) It is The Will of GOD in Christ that all be Saved (1 Timothy 2: 4 & 5 )
ElijahJohn888 8 hours ago
@ElijahJohn888 It is certainly God's will in Christ that all be saved! Amen!
justtruthit 4 hours ago
I never said you were using a Concordance...I just asked if you knew how? I would like to learn how and was wondering were you got the different language font on your computer because this seems helpful. I recognize the words "hagion, pneuma and Theos." I really just want to live my everyday life where I am living and walking with God. This is the greatest achievement possible...this is true success! I really didn't think we were not on the same page...just though we were sharing :) God bless!
Rebeccabelievesful 6 days ago
@Rebeccabelievesful, you may not have noticed, but I was conversing with @sampson802002 as well, and a portion of my responses paralleled some of yours. So, the comments you thought were directed to you were actually being directed to me. Unfortunately, @sampson802002 became abusive and I had to remove him from this site. I very much appreciate your comments, however. Very well done. :)
justtruthit 6 days ago
"For if the blood of goats and calves and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who were defiled sanctified them even to the cleansing of their flesh, How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works so that we may serve the living God?" Hebrews 9:13,14 "Likewise, you must consider yourself as being dead to sin, but alive to God through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:11
Rebeccabelievesful 6 days ago
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@Rebeccabelievesful but alive to God through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:11
. What silly nonsense. you must be speaking in tongues.
ndzoko 1 day ago
I just read through all of the posts and am wondering where we got tripped up? It seems like we were on the same page. The only thing I really noticed was that you got me wrong in saying that no one could have Holy Spirit until a certain time. God did give his Spirit to people in the Old Testament. Even if they were saved...people still had to make a blood sacrafice. Christ has made it so that we don't have to do that anymore. I was just stating how great it is to live in the day and age we do!
Rebeccabelievesful 6 days ago
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@Rebeccabelievesful Why did a god have to die, to abolish a Stone-Age custom of sacrificing animals ? Doesn`t make sense at all. Human sacrifices were abolishes in Mayan culture, cannibalism was abolished in Papou-New-Guinee, did a god have to die to do that ? Makes no sense.
ndzoko 1 day ago
"For what man knows the mind of man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so, no one knows the mind of God exept the Spirit of God." I Cor. 2:11 "These things, my brethren, concerning myself and Apollos I have pictured for your sakes, that in our example you may learn not to think beyond that which is written, and let no one exalt himself over his fellow man on account of any man." I Cor. 4:6
Rebeccabelievesful 6 days ago
There was nothing you said that I thought was incorrect but I am not sure if you meant that you believe that God is not a spirit? I was thinking that it would be a blessing to share verses and talk about how wonderful God is...no one is perfect but Gods Word is perfect. You could spend a lifetime studing the Word and still not know everything. "For now we see through a mirror, darkly; but then face to face. Now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." I Cor. 13:12
Rebeccabelievesful 6 days ago
I am not sure what I twisted? I think you are misunderstanding what I said? I am also not sure of what you are trying to say. I don't think that God is JUST Spirit. I posted some scriptures to my knowledge of what you were saying God is. You said He is Holy and Spirit...I think that He is too. Nothing I said was of assumptions...I just posted some verses on the topic we were talking about...of what I thought we were talking about. What did I say that you said was incorrect?
Rebeccabelievesful 6 days ago
@sampson802002, Look, friend, you and I will have to agree to disagree. My suggestion is this: if you feel so strongly about the things you post here, perhaps you should start your own website. It really doesn't bless God when brethren start sniping at each other, which is the direction you seem to have taken in your above posts. You've made your points. Perhaps it's a good time to think about moving on. What do you think? Thanks.
justtruthit 1 week ago
@sampson802002, you say "never" and, respectfully, you are incorrect. Holy Spirit and God ARE used interchangeably and your explanation is not at all satisfactory. You seem to be driving a theological agenda in verses that are very clear. By quoting pneuma hagion and theos in the Greek and then saying they are never interchangeable is erroneous and a non-sequitir. I'm very familiar with both terms, and their Greek translation contributes nothing to the discussion.
justtruthit 1 week ago
@sampson802002, one more thing to keep in mind. While there are times when the use of Greek words contribute to understanding a difficult passage. There are other times, however, when a person will gratuitously drop Greek words into their discussion to "weight" their argument and distract from the rationale of the discussion. When a person does this, it's a dishonest handling of the Word. So, remember, I have a concordance too. As to your argument about "root words", well, it's simply incorrect
justtruthit 1 week ago
@sampson802002, in conclusion. God is spirit. God is holy. This is TRUTH. God pours out of what He is. The GIVER and the GIFT. Now, there's tremendous understanding when a person grasps this idea. You can continue to haggle about minutia, and that is certainly your privilege. Unfortunately, by doing so, you miss not only the point but a golden opportunity. Your choice. :)
Have a good one.
justtruthit 1 week ago
@justtruthit Yes God is a spirit yet he also has a body as well, as the Bible states as well. To say that God is only spirit is not the full truth. God is the giver and his gift other than His Son is the Holy Spirit. ‘minutia’ means “A minute particular; a small or minor detail” so understanding what the words in the Bible truly means is a minor detail to you? This is sad, but not unexpected. I don’t have an agenda other than the truth of the scriptures not man’s perversion of them.
sampson802002 1 week ago
@sampson802002, :), I have a dictionary too.
justtruthit 1 week ago
@justtruthit You are incorrect here. If you do not know what the words meant when they were written, you do not understand what was and is being said nor what is meant. By doing what you and many others do you can twist and make the scriptures say anything you want. I am glad that you have a concordance, now please use it and study.
sampson802002 1 week ago
@sampson802002, just for clarification. "Hagion" translates to "Holy", "Pneuma" to "Spirit", "Theos" to "God". They're one-to-one. So ... yes; they ARE different words. Thanks for clearing that up for us. Besides this, however, what else is accomplished by inserting Greek? No one has contested that there isn't a Greek equivalent for the English. And where is this twisting you speak of? Do be careful with your accusations, @sampson802002. The Word speaks of accountability for every idle word.
justtruthit 1 week ago
@justtruthit Who said that I am using a concordance? That is an assumption and most of the time assumptions are far from the truth. But a concordance is a good start.
sampson802002 1 week ago
:), my concordance comment was intended as tongue-in-cheek, @sampson802002.
justtruthit 1 week ago
I am trying to learn to work a concordance. Do you know how? Where did you get the font you used and the words? Bible works is a great thing to download. There is SO much to be learned and I am thankful that God works with us on an individual level. I know this is true because there will be things on my heart and prayers....questions...and when I open up my Bible, God's Word speaks to me and others too I am sure. Thankful for everything Christ made available! Patiently waiting His return...:)
Rebeccabelievesful 2 weeks ago
@Rebeccabelievesful I have tried to give you a response on your channel, I am not sure if it wnet through please let me know. Peace and Grace
sampson802002 1 week ago
@sampson802002 Part 4 The word Holy Spirit is from two Greek words “hagios ” and “pneuma”, while the Word God is the Greek word “theos” , they are never used interchangeably it is the same way in the Hebrew. Speaking of the Holy Spirit /Ghost it is always referred to as being OF God, meaning that the Spirit is OF God, He sends it from Himself to do His Will.
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002 Part 5 Joh_14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.. If the Holy Spirit is God then why would the Son of God say that His Father will send the Holy Spirit and not just say that the Father will come to you?
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002 Part 6 Give me 1 verse that uses this phrase ‘Holy Spirit is God’ or ‘God the Holy Spirit’. Just one is all I ask.
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
When the Bible gives God physical characteristics it is a figure of speech to put emphasis. *These are Hebrew words* Elohim=God the creator Jehovah=He who created, in relationship to what He has created El-Shaddai="Almighty God" omnipotent. But again I have realized that you and I are not here to argue about these things unless you are not saved! God has given us the ministry of reconciliation! We don't ever have to wonder who He is because we have in the scriptures who He is!
Rebeccabelievesful 2 weeks ago
@Rebeccabelievesful I am just saying that he is more than just a spirit, He has a form and we and made in His image, he can walk, He can sit etc., as is in evidence in the scriptures. The word “'ĕlôhı̂ym” does not always mean The supreme God, it can also mean judges, angels, Even God called the judges of Israel “'ĕlôhı̂ym”
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24 ......God is not a man that He should lie....
Rebeccabelievesful 2 weeks ago
@Rebeccabelievesful Part 1 Ok look at the words Spirit and spirit. The one that is capitalized is referring to God and the non-capitalized is referring to men. Yet they are both the same Greek word, “πνεῦμα”, pronounced “pnyoo'-mah”.
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002 Part 2 Meaning “a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit: - ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind.”
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002 Part 3 Notice that human meaning; “that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition”. So how are we to worship God? By our vital principle, our mental disposition, the same way we are to Love God; Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
Yes I am a big believer in keeping things in context...if not you can distort the thinking. Never believe something just because someone says it. You have to find it for yourself. Greek and Hebrew helps...I am not a pro because I have to look them all up. All capitalization and punctuation has been added...this wasn't found in the early Greek manuscripts. ITWOULDREADLIKETHIS.
Rebeccabelievesful 2 weeks ago
..."that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." John 3:6
Rebeccabelievesful 2 weeks ago
All I was saying is that God is Holy and He is Spirit.
Rebeccabelievesful 2 weeks ago
@Rebeccabelievesful kk I understand and agree that God Is Holy; Psa 99:9 Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the LORD our God is holy. However I am not familiar with a verse that states God is spirit please.
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002 Just read your other post John 4;24 :)
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
I agree..you have to understand to whom it is written to and it help to understand the culture.
Rebeccabelievesful 2 weeks ago
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." II Timothy 3:16 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." II Timothy 2:15 *That rightly-dividing is the only place found in the Bible* "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge..." Hosea 4:6a "Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us."
Rebeccabelievesful 2 weeks ago
@Rebeccabelievesful But one needs to keep it in context, line upon line, precept upon precept. You need to read and study before, during and after in order to understand what is written. It really helps to know what these words meant when it was written, not what they mean with today’s understanding of the same words.
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
I am sure it is used indecently and out of order...but God doesn't give a counterfeit spirit.It is not a tool used for concentration. "The Spirit Itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:" Rom. 8:16 *Proves we are children of God* "He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself:...I John 5:10a *Again a witness that you are saved, or filled with the Spirit* "For with stammering lips and another tongue will He speak to this people." Isaiah 28:11 Rest
Rebeccabelievesful 2 weeks ago
@Rebeccabelievesful Correct God does not give a counterfeit ‘Spirit’ But Satan does.
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
What I am trying to say is that I believe the "gift" we are speaking of is the gift of the Holy Spirit. God is holy and He is spirit. He (God) is the Holy Spirit and yet the gift (or power from on high) is the gift of the holy spirit that every person recieves at the moment of the new birth. Whether they receive it into manifestation is based on their believing. A huge reason Jesus Christ died was that so we could have holy spirit again! Before his ascension there was none available!
Rebeccabelievesful 2 weeks ago
@Rebeccabelievesful, you are exactly right!
justtruthit 2 weeks ago
@Rebeccabelievesful Part 1 The Bible does not say “spirit is God” it states “Spirit OF God” these two statements are totally different. The Bible never teaches that the Holy Spirit IS God but it does teach that the Holy Spirit is OF God. In the Hebrew the statement ““Spirit OF God”” the “of God” is the Hebrew word is “רוּח”
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002 Part 2 pronounced “roo'-akh” and means “wind; by resemblance breath, that is, a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extension a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions):” The “of God” is the Hebrew word “'ĕlôhı̂ym” which means “gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God”
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002 Part 3 so notice that the Hebrew word “'ĕlôhı̂ym” is specifically OF God; The Spirit is OF God. It is not God. Is God ONLY a Spirit? No the Bible teaches that He has a butt, he sits on a throne, He has feet, He walked in the Garden, He has hand etc. can God be a Spirit? Yes he can, but He is not just a spirit.
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002 Part 4 You stated “Before his ascension there was none available!” So what about Ex 31:3, Num 24:2, 1 Sam 10:10 or Job 34:4 and many other tines that the Spirit of God came upon Men? The Holy Spirit has always been available to men, before the Son of God came to this earth, study the OT please.
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002, please re-read what @Rebeccabelieversful said. She said "God is holy (1 Peter 1:16) and He is spirit (John 4:24)." What she said is correct.
justtruthit 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002, as for you claim that the Bible never teaches the Holy Spirit is God - that's incorrect. In Heb. 3:7-8, it says "...as THE HOLY SPIRIT saith, To day if ye will hear his voice ..." Heb. 4:7 also uses the same quote but, rather than holy spirit, it attributes it to GOD by saying "... again he [context is GOD] appoints a certain day, ... “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” Both are quotes from Psalm 95. GOD and HOLY SPIRIT are used interchangeably.
justtruthit 2 weeks ago
@justtruthit Part 1 David when pleading with The Almighty had this to say concerning the Holy Spirit. “Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.” Notice that it is ‘THY Holy Spirit’. Also notice in Isa 63:10 “But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.”
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002, the answer is this: God gives what He is. God is Holy Spirit and he gives holy spirit, the gift. There's no confusion here. The Giver and the gift. It's God in Christ in You (2 Cor. 5:19 and Col. 1:27).
justtruthit 1 week ago
"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophesy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." II Peter 1:20,21 *This is saying that no part of the Bible is open for discussion or what you think it means...none of us are perfect, but the Bible only has one true meaning.
Rebeccabelievesful 2 weeks ago
Further there could be a person in that church that will interpret (as Paul proscribed) for me to those in the church so that they may be edified. For if I come to your church and I speak in ‘tongues’ something that no one can understand then I am edifying myself. I have heard this ‘speaking’ in tongue’s in a church and there was no interpreter and many people where speaking in ‘tongues’. There was no interpreter,1Co 14:28
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002 So true people do read into the scriptures, Paul even said 1Co 14:5 Paul states that it is greater to ‘prophesied’ as opposed to speaking on tongues. The word “prophesied’ is the Greek word “προφητεύω” which means “to foretell events, divine, speak under inspiration, exercise the prophetic office”. It is better to be an inspired speaker than to speak in tongues.
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002, Prophesy is a message from or for God, and nowhere in the Bible is it defined SOLELY as a message of FORETELLING. If you read the prophets, they did much more FORTH-TELLING. All the references of "Thus saith the Lord ... " are examples. It is an incorrect notion to say that prophesy is all foretelling.
justtruthit 2 weeks ago
@justtruthit Please note that I did NOT state nor did I claim that Prophesy is ALL foretelling. Read what was written, along with foretelling prophesy can be an inspired speaker as well. And Paul did desire that people to prophesy about speaking in tongues as the verse I stated shows.
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
If I come to a church that speaks a language that I do not know God, can give me the gift of tongues (languages) so that the people there can understand what I am saying. He can also make it so that they all could understand me as well, just like in the Book of Acts. It is never gibberish as it happens in some churches today.
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
I'm really having a hard time following what you are saying. Please make your replies to this post and not at the top of the page. If you are saying that Speaking in Tongues is where God works in you to speak to a group of folks in a church when you do not understand the language - say, if you don't speak Spanish but God causes you to in a Spanish church in order to give them a message - that is exactly wrong. This is why there is the corresponding interpretation of tongues.
justtruthit 2 weeks ago
@justtruthit Sorry about that, but replies confuse me at times. Actually I’m saying that yes, but it is not just in ‘church’ that God would do that or has done that. The proof if this is in the Book of Acts chapter 2, There where men from different parts of the world that hear these followers of the Way speaking in their OWN tongues (In every verse in the NT where the word ‘tongues is used it means ‘language’)
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002 I had a lady in my home one day, after about an hour or so of talking she started speaking in gibberish. She said that it was the heavenly language and it was a message but she did not know what it meant that I would at some point know the meaning of it. Well that was 4 years ago, I could not tell you what it was that she said let alone the meaning. If God had a message for me He is would tell me in a language that I know, satan is the one that confuses people not God.
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002 You are correct about Acts 2, but this is the ONLY instance in the Bible where people understood the message in their native language. Nowhere else is it used for this purpose. Think about it, if tongues were a new tool given ot the Church for evangelism, and Acts is all about preaching the gospel, wouldn't you expect tongues to be used this way throughout the book of Acts?
justtruthit 2 weeks ago
@justtruthit You do not understand what the word tongue means. In the NT it only means “other tongued, that is, a foreigner or the tongue; by implication a language (specifically one naturally unacquired”. The example is in the book of Acts there is no other example. Paul does give explanation’s and insight as to who, when and how it comes about. I am not saying that it is an ‘evangelism’ TOOL. But it is how God will and has allowed others to communicate with each other when the Good News.
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002 The DOCTRINAL PURPOSE of tongues, rather, is given in 1 Corinthians 12 and 14. Neither of these chapters gives evangelism as the purpose for tongues but instead teach that tongues is for PRAISE and WORSHIP, both public and private. These chapters teach that WHENEVER tongues are given in PUBLIC worship, they MUST BE interpreted, since without this no one will understand (1 Cor. 14:2, 16).
justtruthit 2 weeks ago
@justtruthit Could you give scripture that clearly supports your prier statement concerning ‘tongues’ is or was ever used for praise and worship? 1 Cr 14:22 Paul is teaching that ‘tongues’ is for a sign to those who believe. If you look at other text you will find this to be the case.
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002, you're correct. Tongues is a sign to unbelievers - that is ONE of its purposes. But as you noted above, tongues are a language, but an unknown language of men and of angels (1 Cor. 13:1), that, without interpretation, is not understood. 1 Corinthians 14:2 says, "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but UNTO GOD: for NO MAN UNDERSTANDETH HIM ...". So the idea is that something is said in tongues, and its contents are given in interpretation.
justtruthit 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002, Now, verse supporting the worship nature of tongues:
1. Acts 2:11 "... we do hear them speak in our tongues the WONDERFUL WORKS OF GOD."
2. 1 Corinthians 14:16-17 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy GIVING OF THANKS, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? For thou verily GIVETH THANKS WELL ..."
3. Acts 10:46 "For they heard them speak with tongues, and MAGNIFY GOD."
justtruthit 2 weeks ago
@justtruthit Part 1; In your statement you mentioned the word ‘mysteries’ 1Co 14:2 that word is the Greek word “μυστήριον” pronounced “moos-tay'-ree-on” which means “(to shut the mouth) a secret or “mystery”” . Now if as you say that this is speaking to God in the ‘Spirit’ then what secret are you telling the Almighty that He does not already know? notice that word ’spirit’ is not capitalized as it is when the writer is speaking concerning the Spirit of God, Matt 4:1 with Mat 5:3
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002 Part 2; there is a grammatical difference between the words ‘Spirit’ and ‘spirit’ and the use of the two words. The word ‘Spirit’ is used if is referring to the Spirit of God, or the Holy Spirit. Whoever the use of the word ‘spirit’ denotes something merely of men. Now what is this word ‘spirit in the Greek?
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002 Part 3; It is the Greek word “πνεῦμα” pronounced pneuma and means ‘current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit:’
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002 Part 4; So looking at what Paul wrote concerning the lower case ‘spirit’ we clearly see that this ‘spirit’ the Rational soul or man’s mental disposition, and not the Spirit of God in this verse. It is my very being that is calling out to the Almighty, I might not know just what to say but God knows.
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002 Part 5 Act2:11 has nothing to do with worshipping God in the spirit. Look at the verses prior it was the followers of the way who were speaking in languages in the listeners on languages. The followers of the Way were speaking of God and of the ways of God. It does not say or imply that this ‘giving thanks’ is speaking in tongues. Giving thanks in the Greek means “gratitude; actually grateful language (to God, as an act of worship)”.
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002 Part 6 I like Acts 10:46 “speak with tongues”, that word speak is the Greek word “λαλέω”, pronounced “lal-eh'-o” and means to; “to talk, that is, utter words: - preach” the Greek word for “with tongues” is the Greek word “gloce'-sah” and means “the tongue; by implication a language (specifically one naturally unacquired)”. Notice that this tongues is a Language that is NOT naturally acquired; which means that God gave these new followers the ability to speak a foreign language.
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002 Part 7 That word language means “Any means of conveying or communicating ideas; specifically, human speech; the expression of ideas by the voice; sounds, expressive of thought, articulated by the organs of the throat and mouth. &hand; Language consists in the oral utterance of sounds which usage has made the representatives of ideas.”
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002 Part 8 As I understood the speaking in tongues is that it came upon those who had been baptized of water correct? If this is true then you offered me a text to support worshipping in ‘tongues’ when it teaches that people can be filled with the Spirit of God BEFORE the water baptism.
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002
4. 1 Corinthians 14:2 "... howbeit in the spirit he SPEAKETH MYSTERIES."
5. 1 Corinthians 14:14 "... or if I pray in an unknown tongue, MY SPIRIT PRAYETH ..."
6. 1 Corinthians 14:2 "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men but UNTO GOD" (mentioned earlier)
So, Speaking in Tongues is private prayer and public praise to God. Remember, the interpretation must be given of the tongues since no one understands the tongue.
justtruthit 2 weeks ago
@justtruthit ACYes after all thats said & done the ONLY thing that matters is ARE YOU SAVED/BORN AGAIN. And if you think you are do you have your New Birth Certificate? For those who are not yet saved you can get saved by doing Romans 10:9&10 .Now at The Appointed Time The Lord Jesus Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout & all those who have been sealed by The Holy Spirit shall be Lifted Up to meet the Lord in the air.1 Thessalonians 4:15-18. Maranatha. Amen & Amen
ElijahJohn888 2 weeks ago
@justtruthit Part 1 1Co 14:2 ? go back a verse and to 1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. 1Co 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. Why is it that this ‘speaking’ in ‘tongues’ is held as the primary outward sign that you are filled with the ‘spirit’? But the Greatest gift is Charity which is Love.
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002 Part 2 Then he states that if one speaks in an unknown language that men cannot understand but he is speaking into God. Verse 3 teaches “But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort” You have left out so much by not keeping your teaching in context. You cannot take 1 verse here and another there to make you doctrine, this is false teaching, Go line upon line.
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002 The reason you did not understand the woman's message is because there was no interpretation given. Tongues and Interpretation are COMPANION manifestations in public worship.
So, yes, you are correct. Satan does confuse people and God does not. But the confusion was not with the tongues but in the fact that the woman did not interpret the message given in tongues.
I hope that helps.
justtruthit 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002 Related to this, above you said "it is greater to ‘prophesied’ as opposed to speaking on tongues".1 Corinthians 14:5 actually says, "... for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, EXCEPT he interpret, that the church may receive edifying." So, in public worship, prophesy is better than tongues EXCEPT when the tongues are interpreted, so that people may UNDERSTAND the message. If there's no interpretation, there's no understanding, and no edification.
justtruthit 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002 you used the right words and i'm agree 100% and those who said spoke tongues i'm telling you they spoke with devils and even no one could listen there
language this people are devil servant
meljosh100 2 days ago
@sampson802002, the Bible does not teach the Speaking in Tongues was ever used as an evangelistic tool.
justtruthit 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002 Wrong. The Bible even says that they spoke in unknown tongues
MacAttack3310 2 weeks ago
@MacAttack3310 From your post, I'm not sure if you're disagreeing with me or sampson802002. Yes, it is an unknown tongue. No, it's not used for evangelism. If you are disagreeing with me, please see my response above to @sampson802002.
justtruthit 2 weeks ago
1Co 12:10 “To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:”. It is still the same Greek word here which means languages. And remember 1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
In Acts those people did in fact speak in tongues. However, in the following verses it also teaches that those who heard them speaking heard them those speaking in ‘tounges’ in their OWN LANGUGE and remember that they were from many different lands with different languages. The Greek word “γλῶσσα” which in English is “tongues’ and in Greek every time it means “the tongue; by implication a language (specifically one naturally unacquired).
sampson802002 3 weeks ago
@sampson802002, you referenced a verse but didn't supply it. You are probably referring to the verses in Acts 2. Yes, tongues does mean languages. This record, though, is the only one recorded where the people present understood the message. Now I'm not entirely the point you were making in your post; but from this account in Acts, unfortunately, people have wrongly deduced that tongues is some sort of evangelistic capability of the early church.
justtruthit 3 weeks ago
@justtruthit Speaking in other languages that God gives some of the believers is not the same as it is today in the churches. Today it is gibberish. That was my point that I was attempting to make, sorry
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
@sampson802002, It isn't. If it were, you would expect to see it employed throughout the book of Acts, and it is not. If you read 1 Corinthians 12 and 14, tongues is used in one of two ways: a) personal worship, and b) worship in the assembly of believers.
justtruthit 3 weeks ago
@justtruthit Do you really believe that one needs to speak to the Almighty in this ‘tongues’ for Him to understand what you are saying? What language did the Son of God speak too His father in? How about Moses, Abraham, Jacob, Adam? Did they speak this ‘tongue’s’ as some churches teach today?
sampson802002 2 weeks ago
Yes but I want a scripture besides corinthians 12 'cause that is the one passage that contradicts all the many others that I have found. This is not an attempt to change your mind 'cause you have probably heard this info before. Hopefully I am not annoying or offending you with this because when I say that I believe everyone...that includes you too. There is this 76 hour long Bible class and at the end everyone in the room speaks in tongues. Are you in Indy? How old? I am 27. God Bless!
Rebeccabelievesful 3 weeks ago
@Rebeccabelievesful I do not agree that this is the only scripture that condradicts this teaching. The other scripture you believe it contradicts are only appearing this way because you are attributing an incorrect assumption to them.
Could you please specify a particular scripture you mean and I will share how I see it is properly understood.
I am in Canada actually and am 46. Blessings to you also.
jrmaximus 2 weeks ago
@Rebeccabelievesful Regarding the 76 hour long class- believe it or not there have been very indepth studies done regarding what is called speaking in tongues in our modern day and it has been demonstrated that athiests can actually be taught the same and make the exact same type of utterances with no distinguishing difference.
It is also reported to be practiced by other religious groups and cult groups even prior to Christs birth.
jrmaximus 2 weeks ago
@Rebeccabelievesful What do I consider modern day 'speaking in tongues'? I do not believe it harmful when practiced by an individual privately. I do believe it to be a phenomenon of the mind as the speaker utters sounds in response to their deep felt prayers. It could be a tool that helps a person focus.
There is a legitimate gift that has been used as in Acts 2 etc. and it may be used by God today if needed but this is not what is heard so often in modern churches.
jrmaximus 2 weeks ago
This amazes me and fills my heart with joy because we still have that same God today. When we pray, He hears, He forgives and He heals.
Rebeccabelievesful 3 weeks ago
"Now, therefore, if God has equally given gifts to the Gentiles who believe in our Lord Jesus Christ, just as he gave to us, who am I that I should dispute God?" Acts 11:17
Rebeccabelievesful 3 weeks ago
"And the Jewish converts who had come with him were seized with amazement because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out on the Gentiles also; For they heard them speak with different tongues, and magnify God." Acts 10:45,46
"Then I remembered that word of our Lord, when he said, John indeed baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit." Acts 11:16
Rebeccabelievesful 3 weeks ago
@Rebeccabelievesful ever been to a sporting event and hear the crowd cheering when a goal was scored? Though you would say the crowd was cheering-not everyone in the crowd would be. Yet we say we heard them cheer.
Do you think it is just as easy this passage is written in the same way? It addresses the crowd as a single entity and does not say each and every person present spoke in tongues. Again that would contradict 1 Cor 12.
jrmaximus 3 weeks ago
"And I will send upon you the promise of my Father; but remain in the city of Jerusalem until you are clothed with power from on high." Luke 24:49 "And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak in various languages, according to whatever the Spirit gave them to speak." Acts 2:4
Rebeccabelievesful 3 weeks ago
"And let patience be a perfect work, that you may be perfect and entire, lacking nothing. If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all men liberally and with grace, and it will be given him." James 1:4,5
Rebeccabelievesful 3 weeks ago
I understand...but this passage clearly contradicts MANY others in the Bible. So how do we explain this? Is God wrong?...I think not. "For you may all prophesy one by, so that everyone may learn and every one be comforted." I Corinthians 14:31
Rebeccabelievesful 3 weeks ago
@Rebeccabelievesful You are proof texting which is a very wrong approach.
1Co 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, ...
1Co 14:31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
Note the context- This is addressed specifically to whom? The prophets. So is it really everyone? Not at all.
This approach to scripture is why you have trouble reconciling 1 Cor 12 with other scriptures. Read it all keeping in context of who,why, when etc.
jrmaximus 3 weeks ago
"Which things we speak, not only in words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual." I Corinthians 2:13
Rebeccabelievesful 3 weeks ago
I am not sure about this guy. He is hard to listen to. There were few videos pertaining to the topic. I would say that 99% of Christian agree with you, even my best friend. We had a long talk about it one day and just agreed to disagree because she was firm in her beliefs and so am I. There is nothing wrong in sharing scripture though...that is what I enjoy doing...not arguing.
Rebeccabelievesful 3 weeks ago
That is what the Bible tells me. That isn't what I say it's what the Bible says. Its not something to argue person to person with. I just wanted to share things that the Bible says to bless other people. I would be interested to find a scripture that says otherwise?
Rebeccabelievesful 3 weeks ago
@Rebeccabelievesful 1 Cor chapter 12 is a good start
jrmaximus 3 weeks ago
"But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man as help to him." I Corinthians 12:7
Rebeccabelievesful 3 weeks ago
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heaven through Christ; Just as from the beginning he has chosen us through him before the foundation of the world, that we may become holy and without blemish before him." ~Ephesians 1:3,4
Rebeccabelievesful 3 weeks ago
"So if you, who err, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father give the Holy Spirit from heaven to those who ask him?"
Rebeccabelievesful 3 weeks ago
The manifestation is given to every born-again man or woman to profit and edify others eaither in private prayer life or in a believers meeting. If God gave one thing to one of His sons or daughters and another thing to another one, then it could not be all in all. How could each person be complete if something were missing? God is no respector of persons nor does one get more holy spirit than the next.
Rebeccabelievesful 3 weeks ago
@Rebeccabelievesful if you are saying speaking in tongues is the manifestation everyone is given you need to read allot more.
jrmaximus 3 weeks ago
Man, if this guy's going to be in Heaven, I hope I get sent to Hell
chialiwa 3 weeks ago
@chialiwa, do be careful what you wish for.
justtruthit 3 weeks ago
@justtruthit Thank you for your concern, but I'm here to enjoy life before my body decomposes back into the atoms from which I was made.
chialiwa 3 weeks ago
Ting tang wadda wadda bing bang ....sorry, the holy ghost is always making me type weird things
chialiwa 3 weeks ago
That's some funny stuff, there, @chialiwa. Have you ever thought of doing stand-up? I mean that's just ... hilarious.
justtruthit 3 weeks ago
@justtruthit Thanks, I have pondered stand-up, but I think I'm just outmatched by the hilarity of Christian fundamentalists. God creating dinosaur bones as a test of man's faith, I mean, how can I compete with that!? Good luck there mate!
chialiwa 3 weeks ago
@chialiwa I'm not sure what church you're going to, MATE, but I've never heard that taught. But your bias seems to be very well fed and cared for, so good luck with that. Take care.
justtruthit 3 weeks ago
@justtruthit I don't go to any church, mate, er...I mean sir (sorry, I'm British). Yes, I agree, what a crackpot theory, one that is professed by many fundamentalist Christian churches in America. Almost as wacky as the belief that God can communicate an unintelligible sacred language from the heavens.
chialiwa 2 weeks ago
@chialiwa, that's fine. It's just unfortunate to me that, as you said above, your future aspirations consist of decomposing back into the atoms you were made of, rather than accepting eternal life. I've a question. Judging from your earlier responses, you're sure to have another snappy reply, but I'm asking on the outside chance you'll consider my questions sincerely. When you strip away everything else, WHAT makes life meaningful? Do you believe there's a loving God who's interested in you?
justtruthit 2 weeks ago
@justtruthit I do not rely on the prospect of eternal life to make me happy. I thoroughly enjoy every day that I have while I exist. I work as a micro-propagator of plants for the nursery trade and create life every day. I love my friends and my family, and love my freedom to think for myself, so when it is my time to die, I will die happy. This is meaning and purpose enough in my eyes. Non-existence does not scare me like it scares a religious person.
chialiwa 2 weeks ago
@justtruthit I didn't live before 1981, or 1775 for that matter, and I wasn't unhappy then or in pain, because I was non-existent. I find it troubling that so many people waste their naturally endowed freedom of thought to living in fear of a jealous, judgemental god, while basing their morality strictly upon their fear of this god and in anticipation of rewards in an impossible afterlife, rather than basing their morality on a sense of human duty or good. Why does good necessarily require god?
chialiwa 2 weeks ago
@chialiwa Finally, no I do not believe in a loving god who is interested in me, but I do believe in loving people who are interested in me, and because I know they are real I never have to doubt their love. I don't believe that love is exclusive to humanity, however. I see love in an alligator protecting its eggs in its mouth or in the monogamous behaviours of eagles, etc. Though their consciousnesses are not as evolved as ours, they act out of natural good, not from biblical guidance.
chialiwa 2 weeks ago
@chialiwa, OK, that's fair. Thanks for your response. And while I feel you're missing out on a dimension of life that would be such a blessing to you, I respect your point of view. I would encourage you to keep an open mind on the subject. :)
Have a good one, @chialiwa
justtruthit 1 week ago
@justtruthit Thank you. I also respect your right to your point of view as well, and I am convinced that your convictions bring you great happiness. I do try and keep an open mind, but some times I feel that within some religious faiths there lurk charlatans who do harm upon others by preying upon their good natures with claims of divine powers. I think a line needs to be drawn when freedom of thought begins harming the vulnerabilities of others. Thanks for listening, and being open-minded.
chialiwa 1 week ago
Nicely said, @chialiwa. You take care.
justtruthit 1 week ago
how the hell did I came to this child story ???
stop believe in something that does not excist
creforce 1 month ago
@creforce This is just a suggestion, but, in the future, maybe spend a little more time on your grammar and spelling. I'm sure you want to leave a good impression, don't you? Now you have a blessed day, ya hear.
justtruthit 1 month ago
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eambrausa 1 month ago
This is misleading. Of course, God wants all of us to grow in a closer relationship, but read Corinthians 14:18 "I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. BUT in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousands words in tongue".
mrgoldindex 1 month ago
@mrgoldindex having said that though. speaking in tongues is really amazing. I've heard several stories of missionaries speaking in tongues and then the locals saying they just spoke in Portuguese or Hindi.
mrgoldindex 1 month ago
@mrgoldindex Hi there. I'm not sure I understand your point. I'll take a stab at it, however. Tongues is for BOTH a) private worship,and b) public worship. Paul challenges the Corinthians to Speak in Tongues MUCH more, BOTH in their private and public worship, and gives himself as an example of this. In our private worship, when we speak in tongues, we "gives thanks well" (1 Cor. 14:7) and "speaks the wonderful works of God" (Acts 2:11), edifying ourselves (1 Cor. 14:2 and Jude 1:20).
justtruthit 1 month ago
@mrgoldindex In private, "... my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful". We’re edified by the speaking in tongues itself.
However, IN THE CHURCH, 1 Cor. 14:5 says, "I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, EXCEPT HE INTERPRET, that the church may receive edifying." In public, folks are edified by the intelligible message, not the actual act of speaking in tongues itself.
justtruthit 1 month ago
@mrgoldindex In this case, it's a sign (1 Cor. 14:22).
So, Paul's point to the Corinthians is, "Follow my example - Speak in Tongues much! It edifies you! But when you do so in the public assembly, make sure you interpret so that others may be edified too."
For recap - in private, we are edified by Speaking in Tongues in our spirit; in public, with interpretation, we are edified in our thoughts.
And, YES, @mrgoldindex, I agree with you, Speaking in Tongues IS amazing!
Hope this helps
justtruthit 1 month ago
I was raised Catholic, and I think that you are all crazy religious nuts, making random sounds with your mouths. Seriously, do you believe that you're really making some connection with god when you speak in tongues?
aliendude5300 1 month ago
@aliendude5300, well, that's definitely AN opinion, and, I suppose, to be fair, you're entitled to it.
Having been raised Catholic myself, I recall we didn't spent too much time (actually, none at all) reading the Bible. But it's that Bible that we "religious nuts" hold as our ONLY rule of faith and practice. It's the Bible that defines "those things that are pleasing in his sight". So, in answer to your question, YES, because that's what the Bible teaches. God bless you, @allendude5300.
justtruthit 1 month ago
you cant teach someone to talk in tongues... its fake if you do... only God can give it to you people
dolphinkid1100 1 month ago
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1Co 12:10 and to another workings of miracles; and to another prophecy; ... to another divers kinds of tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Co 12:28 ...And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, ... then gifts of healings, helps, governments, divers kinds of tongues. 29 ...30 have all gifts of healings? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
Could you provide teaching how these scriptures can be addressed in light of teaching everyone can speak in tongues?
jrmaximus 1 month ago
In my own opinion the Speaking in Tongues happens only when our hearts are filled with the Power from the Holy Spirit, bursting out into a strange language, which is speaking in tongues. anyone who just stand up and start "Speaking in tongues" is a big question to me, because anyone could also mumble words that are strange. God bless us all
nonette46 1 month ago
@nonette46 That's not a bad way of thinking of it - sort of an overflowing of the spirit. But remember this verse – "For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also." The key phrase here is "I WILL". As with standard praying or singing, speaking in tongues is an act of the will.
justtruthit 1 month ago
@nonette46 The scripture also says that "... he that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself". Often those are the very times when I'm not, as you say, "bursting out", that I need edification. So I agree with you – there are certainly times of "bursting out" with tongues, no doubt. But there are other times where it is a deliberate act of my will. I hope that helps. Thank you for your post. God bless you too.
justtruthit 1 month ago
A key issue dividing the church is caused by poor exegesis of the bible.
You can not cut it into pieces you like and ignore other parts. It must be taken as a whole.
In Acts, where it is mentioning people receiving the gift of tongues upon salvation, do not interpret based on what you believe is implied.
You can not build doctrine on an implication that all filled with the Spirit will speak in tongues. You can not toss out scripture that clearly says we receive different gifts as God choses.
jrmaximus 1 month ago
@jrmaximus, While you encourage that scripture should not be "tossed out", aren't you doing that very thing when you disregard the importance of those Acts passages to this discussion by claiming they're being misinterpreted? It seems fairly apparent that those records indicate that new Christians spoke in tongues upon conversion. I'm not sure what other conclusion can be drawn.
justtruthit 1 month ago
@justtruthit 1Co 12:10 and to another workings of miracles; and to another prophecy; ... to another divers kinds of tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Co 12:28 ...And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, ... then gifts of healings, helps, governments, divers kinds of tongues. 29 ...30 have all gifts of healings? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
-Please show how you dismiss these.-
jrmaximus 1 month ago
@justtruthit 1Co 14:5 Now I would have you all speak with tongues, but rather that ye should prophesy: and greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
-Why is tongues held in such high regard today in contrast to what is written here in scripture?
jrmaximus 1 month ago
@jrmaximus Why is it that you think they spoke in tongues? And since it appears so often, why do you think speaking in tongues is so uniquely coupled with the conversion experience, and not, for instance, "discerning of spirits" or "gifts of healing"? Consider too the fact that speaking in tongues was the first "act" by ALL the Apostles in the Book of Acts on the Day of Pentecost. It seems to me that particular importance has been placed on it by the Holy Spirit to be so remarked upon.
justtruthit 1 month ago
@justtruthit Aside from pentecost where the apostles were given ability to preach to those of different languages you can only cite 2 examples in Acts. That doesn't sound as great of importance as you seem to be claiming it has. In Acts 10 It was a sign the Gentiles also were to receive.
Scriptures as 1 Cor 13 and 14 make it clear the church in Corinth needed to be reminded other gifts and attitudes were more important. They put it in a place of great importance and were rebuked.
jrmaximus 1 month ago
@jrmaximus So either God chose only to record the conversion of those who had the "gift" of speaking in tongues, or it was something expected from all new converts in the early church.
justtruthit 1 month ago
@justtruthit
Why do you refuse to answer?
1Co 12:10 and to another workings of miracles; and to another prophecy; ... to another divers kinds of tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Co 12:28 ...And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, ... then gifts of healings, helps, governments, divers kinds of tongues. 29 ...30 have all gifts of healings? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
Please address these scriptures
jrmaximus 1 month ago
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lol i'm a hardcore Christian, but this guy cracks me up. I bet if he had seem himself at 3:31 when he was ten, he probably woulda committed suicide. lol just sayin. Just remember, i'm only joking, but this guy, while he is speaking the truth, is just downright funny
ericpfund 2 months ago
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ericpfund 2 months ago
It also has many verses which speak on how we all have different spiritual gifts, and certain metaphorical verses saying "if the whole body was an eye how would it hear?" "if the whole body was an ear, how would it see?" Meaning we all have different gifts as different parts of one body that we must work together, if we all had the same gift we would be useless
So on that i dont think EVERYONE can speak in tongues, im Pentecostal but i cant, but thats ok
Intellectual4God 2 months ago
@Intellectual4God i totally agree with you brother, the bible teaches it is impossible for all to speak in tongues. plus i would not use the gift as he has done on this video.
ThePatooch 2 months ago
@wellsbranchdude when you'll have the darkest day, when there will be no more hope, you remember this guy, and call to the Lord. He is not strange, he believes and loves thee true and onr GOD. God bless you, man
rrrbart 2 months ago
@wellsbranchdude, well said.
justtruthit 2 months ago
I speak in tongues when I am really- really drunk
wellsbranchdude 2 months ago
I'm from Germany. Over 50.000.000 Christians live here (mainly roman-catholics and protestants). A tiny percentage (maybe a few thousand from small protestant churches) speak in tongues. The huge majority has never even heard of it. It's not part of their believe system. The pope certainly never speaks in tongues. It's obviously a cultural thing and doesn't proof anything. If it were true and it were truly a gift from god, much more believers should speak in tongues.
IAMLOST 3 months ago
"Do ALL speak in tongues???" - no :-)
doctorh2005 3 months ago