Lawrence Krauss Discussion (10/12) - Richard Dawkins

[thcci]

audiences are so fake.they pretend like -we are the army of reality and we have serious ideas about child education.we listen to these guys because we are smart:)) i dont know but i can feel the fakeness in this atmosphere

[jankerle58]

Wonderfull:

"How is it possible that someone, living on this planet in the 21st century, not knowing why he is here and how he came there, could take the responsibility to govern the others? That is like: to have the president who thinks that the Earth was flat!"

I love those two!

[crowesarethebest]

Science has to become political..... not being so seems to be the problem

[TheNubbbler]

How great it is that Lawrence Krauss has been proven wrong. Cosmos is coming.

[etbrdelight]

@TheNubbbler I never thought I'd say I'm glad that Lawrence Krauss is wrong. But I am.

[TheNubbbler]

@etbrdelight I know. Fortunately him being wrong means something phenomenal. I'm very excited.

[thcci]

why do most of the questions in this forum sound stupid? :)

[gamerunknown]

Part of the issue may be dispelling the notion of "Social Darwinism", something that Dawkins quite regularly comments on that gets passed over by the religious. Darwinism isn't the predicate to base our morality on and evolution accounts for morality (even conspicuous giving, where neither our genes nor our kin's benefit directly). On a deeper level, meme inheritance can be more important than genetic inheritance. Right wing libertarians misuse the title of the "Selfish Gene" to dismiss empathy.

[Xinfinitude]

Cosmos series 2 is in production right now, being presented by Neil deGrasse Tyson and produced by Seth McFarlane and Ann Druyan.

[frilansspion]

@Xinfinitude yaaaayl only ironic that it seems to be on fox.

[sniped101]

carl sagan's cosmos!!! i wish that show was still around.

[spareld]

@sniped101 well you're in luck because Seth MacFarlane and Neil DeGrasses Tyson is bringing this back :)

[MrLittletomdj]

It's a real shame they couldn't hear the hispanic lady's question. I thought it was an excellent topic to handle..

[Rune52]

HELP! What is the title of the second film he mentiones? Director David something? Can't hear jack shit! HELP!

[LiberacionIgualdad]

@Rune52 Director is David Attenborough (if I'm not mispelling). You should be able to find the series he mentiones without much trouble... and then you should be able to return the favor and tell me the name of the series cuz I can't hear bat shit either, and I'm much too lazy to type "Attenborough" on google. :D

[Zotov13]

*applause*

on cue: "Recommended video: 'Jeremy Paxman gives Blair an unusual grilling'"

[BigFatHeretic]

My health care provider is here. She come to my apartment on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, and Saturdays to clean my little studio apartment and cooks lunch for me. She enjoys watching YouTube videos on my computer. She says, Richard Dawkins is cute!!!

[SwineNahNah]

@SpencerBenedict2nd

I've seem notes made by schizophrenics before, you are not there yet, so try harder! 8)

[SpencerBenedict2nd]

@SwineNahNah So do you typically have an aversion to universal truth when you see it? Or does it merely arise when dealing with particular subjects?

I provide truth for those searching for it.

What folks decide to do with Truth once confronted with it (first time?), is of course completely up to the individual and matters not to me.

I scraped the bullshit off of the truth so folks can see the bare bones of the matter and this IS the thrust and crux of it, pure and simple, in black and white.

[SwineNahNah]

@SpencerBenedict2nd

Yeah yeah, good old "let's call our made up bullshit The Truth and annoy others" strategy. Can't you really come up with something newer and better that this crap?

[SpencerBenedict2nd]

@SwineNahNah "... good old "let's call our made up bullshit The Truth..."-Swine

>I have no intent to insult your intelligence, but do you have no knowledge of Rome's agenda laid out in their Council of Trent?

One MUST HAVE a knowledge of this critical history to even begin to have a clue of what is behind the Jesuit false-science heresy's created and designed as part of Rome's Counter Reformation Plan, Agenda, Quest, Goal, and to gain real world truth of what is happening in our world today.

[SwineNahNah]

@SpencerBenedict2nd

It depends on which side of the schism you are on. Some see RC Church as the only true Church, founded by the apostle Paul himself and all others are Abominaations, so, Heretic, repent from your downward path and recognize the Truth of Eolution! 8D

[SpencerBenedict2nd]

@SwineNahNah "Some see RC Church as the only true Church, founded by the apostle Paul himself and all others are Abominaations"-Swine

>Not very sharp on history. While there are many who have been manipulated to believe the Roman Catholic "Church" to be the one "true" church and that the apostle Peter founded it, nothing could be FARTHER from the truth (on either count).

Roman Catholicism did not exist 1 day prior to 325 A.D. w/Constantine (first called Pontifex Maximus (great bridge builder)

[SpencerBenedict2nd]

@SwineNahNah "recognize the Truth of Eolution!"-Swine

>The Inconvenient Universal Truth and fact of the matter is that the Jesuit sponsored and created lie of evolution theory, promoted by jesuitical shills Erasmus Darwin and his grandson Charles, is a grand hoax of biblical proportion.

The reason for the invention of this Jesuit hoax (built on corrupted false-science manipulations) was to help fulfill the agenda laid down at the Council of Trent as part of Vatican Rome's Counter Reformation.

[SwineNahNah]

@SpencerBenedict2nd

P.S. It was apostle Peter of course, I always mess them up because of st. Paul cathedral's name.

[SpencerBenedict2nd]

@SwineNahNah Though Constantine was the first to be called Pontifex Maximus, (Latin for Great Bridge Builder), he was not considered the 1st Pope of the Roman Catholic institution. The Actual first R.C. Pope did not come about till closer to 400 A.D. (can't recall name offhand)

(Note: The Romish dominated media will claim a "popish" line extending all the way back to the apostle Peter, but this is pure hogwash false-history bunkum rubbish.)

R.C-never been christian, its a political institution

[ideasarebulletpr00f]

Al Gore a science evangelist? LMAO wanna talk about intimidating educators look at all the scientist who say the evidence is not in on humans impacting climate change.

[ace2203]

Set McFarlen (family guy dude) is making a sequle to Carl Sagan's Cosmos which will be hosted by Neil DeGrass Tyson, it will air on prime time Fox (ironic channel).

[aPpLeJuIcE37RainLucy]

@ace2203 when? i would love to see this!

have you seen Seths skit of "creationism vs. evolution?" i think you would enjoy it.

[NiteSaiya]

Imagine a "church" alternative for Science. Not a University with a massive charge for attendance, grading, curriculum, etc. But an intellectual forum open to all where people could attend and take part in discussions just like the one presented here between Dawkins and Krauss. People could speak and raise questions and source their information and organize group experiments or even multiple private experiments and present them amongst the congregation.

SOMEONE MAKE IT HAPPEN.

[russellrummage]

@NiteSaiya Amen to that!

[quietus28]

@NiteSaiya I think you're talking about a church of common sense. Problem is, no one would go. ;-)

[torontoBluejays87]

Carl Sagan was one of the best human beings who ever walked this earth. If he was still alive, and friendly inter-stellar aliens came to earth, he would surely have to be our planet's ambassador. The chapter in "Cosmos" entitled "who speaks for earth?" he had already answered his own question :). RIP Carl, you changed the way I now look at our planet and the universe through your incredible books and TV appearances.

[TubeFreakification]

4:00 Smart woman: "We don't believe in facts. They are facts"

[Aadryk]

VENUS PROJECT!!! 

[liamdhardy]

The 'reality' guy was cringeworthy!

[redshark618]

I am the 400th "LIKE"

[nordhorny]

Professor Richard Dawkins M.A., D. Phil., Dr. Sc., FRS, FRSL

[willd3rbeast]

I wonder how the world would be if children were taught how to do carbon dating (among other science based experiments).



[emikochan13]

Attenbourough got me into science, biology and the beauty of nature *salutes*

[isisdron]

@emikochan13 I just watched his Fossils, Vanished Lives documentary last week and I was riveted! I wish I had been shown more of this stuff growing up, Instead of the standard Kentucky answer for everything: "God did it. " I came to learn the other half of the answer in time- that "if an event was bad and it happened, it was either my fault or the fault of some other human, and/or God was punishing/testing me/us. The reason? He's mysterious."

[brazdamnit]

I think evolution its the best idea someone ever come before. Evolution say that not only your family its your family, but everyone, a dog, a plant, a bacteria, a bat, a black guy, a white guy, a blonde guy, a brunnet women, the guy who sells drugs, the guy does'n, the man from the sushi bar, that girl you kissed yesterday and the homossexual. Everyone. But fuck everyone its part of your family, and because that you need to care of everyone, and not only judge.

And that its fucking beautiful.

[apoplexy1974]

the closest thing we have to present science like in a tv format but not really is though stand up comedy, like Carlin, Hicks.. even tho Hicks was religious, he still believed in science.... in the uk we have Eddie Izzard and quite a few others who present both sides of the argument usually ending in the religious side losing but the audience, religious or not roaring with laughter and taking in the information....... the reason most comedy is funny is because what is said is true

[torontoBluejays87]

Carl Sagan is the best at presenting science as a beautiful and fulfilling endeavor. He is sincerely missed for if he were still alive, I am quite sure that Carl would have some amazing shows. It is a shame how low the viewings are on youtube for his show Cosmos, everyone should view and recommend Cosmos to everyone they know! ;)

[DavySigfusson]

Always loved the shows/series by David F. Attenborough...

Ever since I was a little boy, I have watched his work and always found it hell'a fun and very informative, even though I'm not really all that interested in evolutionary biology, He just made it so ... well --- interesting.

[TheFuneralDancer]

"Cosmos" and "The Acent of Man" are great, and people who enjoy that should look up "Connections" here on youtube, it's a great look at history.

[STEPHENWRAYSFORD33]

Both 'Cosmos' & 'The Ascent of man' are great science dvds. They can be found on amazon if anyone is interested.

[mahmoudyzadeh]

A lot of people are just not interested in science for whatever reason. I don't think I would even call it sad, it's just the way it is. Most people couldn't care less about gaining a deeper understanding of the world and the universe - a lot of people just don't really think about anything beyond the end of their nose - weird hey?

[Ricki145]

@mahmoudyzadeh The problem is that people who don't care about gaining a deeper understanding, believe other people indiscriminantly. they gravitate towards comfortable ideas, because it makes them happy and they feel they know a lot even though they don't care. Then, they feel they hold some authority on the issue over people who do care and spend a lot of time finding these things out.

[gupsphoo]

People who are too stupid to understand basic science are naturally anti-science. It's natural for them to believe science is irrelevant to anyone other than scientists.

[byronmhome]

PBS - "Sid the Science Kid" is a great show to help get kids thinking about experimentation.

[tomatoherb]

Some of these people weren't asking very good questions :/

[supertuber97]

Science camp in the UK would be very successful if it was fun and interesting enough. In fact at 36 years old I want to go on a relaxed, fun science holiday.

[wrklessabndon]

The science show that always stuck with me was Bill Nye, we used to schedule dinner around that show when I was a kid! I think that's the person you need to approach to do a massive production to reach a lot of people.

[SubMeSub]

Sarah Palin

[darkfur35]

dawkins is turning evolution into a religion with atheism as its God.

[theartsig]

@darkfur35 People who say atheism is a religion, or evolution is a religion, clearly have no understanding of either. It's not even worth arguing the point. One might as well debate quantum mechanics with a flat-earther, a Christian, or a chimp (and really, what's the difference?). Their starting place is impossibly low. And I don't feel like wasting my time discussing the finer points of 8 vs. 9 shiny reindeer with adults for whom remedial education texts are a waste of good bonfire fuel.

[darkfur35]

@theartsig Your comments doesnt make any sense.

[koloblican11763]

@theartsig I generally agree that Atheism is not a religion, but it shares many common points with religion which is why people get confused. Atheism is a philosophical ideology which people believe and follow, and from the view of a religious context it seems exactly like a "belief" that there is no God. They just fit it into their thoughts by saying "Science is their God, and scientists are their angles." (to use a Christian viewpoint). Evolution clearly is not, but its one of our "texts."

[MondayMuse]

@koloblican11763 atheism is not a philosophical idea any more than not believing in fairies is a philosophical idea. And it certainly isnt an ideology, what exactly does the term atheism imply other than a non belief in god that would warrant the term "ideology"? So in short Atheism shares absolutely no common points with religion. People get confused because they are idiots who subscribe to the propaganda of other idiots, its no more complicated than that.

[theartsig]

@darkfur35 I've noticed you now dropping your little verbal poops in a few of these videos, and I must say... if you can't keep up with the conversation, best not try to join in at all.

[4ThomasAllan]

lol, Hannibal Lector ftw

[pokerslut530]

hahahahaha that big guy in the yellow shirt cracks me UP!

"I'm a reality evangelist... if it weren't for reality, I wouldn't be here today.."

Priceless!

Makes me want to go get some "Reality Loves You" bumper stickers made! rofl

[ryko26]

another loony alert. Can't they check people at the door, ask them a simple question and then when they reply with some mad stuff, refuse entry. Such a lot of valuable time at events like this is wasted listening to the questions of nutters.

[hornetobiker]

keeps stopping at 8.05

[Jimpsterr]

I will go to that film and buy tickets for everyone I know!

[RapMastaZ]

these people asking these questions really like to hear themselves talk, they should have a moderator just to cut them off.

[psyserver]

It is divine intervention?

[AlephNeil]

This is probably just my ignorance talking but why is it that youtube has ushered in a new media age where we no longer know how to sync up pictures and sound?

[toneshun]

It's great to see Dawkins & Krauss mention "Ascent of Man"; i checked it out at my library (thanks to some kind soul uploading clips from it on youtube letting me know about it =-) and watch it about three years ago...what can i say; Mr. Brono change my views of life and introduce me to fact of our past, evolution ~~

[moviesfortina]

the mini series "House" is a good example of a scientific show with a protagonist who's an atheist

[TheLuckySaGe]

moviesfortina "House" is a good TV show but I would see that it compares to the medical field as much as CSI compares to real crime scene investigators -not even close.

[patricknelson]

"If I tell somebody who believes the world is 6,000 years old that he is ignorant, I am paying him the compliment of assuming that he is not stupid, insane or wicked." - Richard Dawkins

[Eye2EyeIIIV]

@patricknelson

It's true he said that, but what he said was not true

[patricknelson]

@Eye2EyeIIIV - What? Are you saying that the world is no more than ~6,000 years old? If you do, then you're wrong. How can what he said be untrue (about people being ignorant if they believe that)? If you believe The Bible (which is up for interpretation) or your pastor/preacher/whoever when they say the world is less than 10k years old, you are being lied to (even if they believe this). The statement that our earth is THAT young is simply flat out false on the face of it.

[amphitrike]

In Vancouver, part of our elementary school education is to go to a camp called "Out Door School". We gathered pond scum from a local swamp and various other plant and animal samples. After we had walked around in the outdoors, gathering our samples, we would return to the lab where we would observe our samples under microscopes and try to classify them from a big picture graph on the wall. It was fun, practical and completely educational. This is just one of many scientific activities we did !

[jamaq]

yes huckabee dose give me the creeps. I hope he doesn't rear his ugly head in 2012

[foxlake02]

Sorry about the thumb down. Thought you meant he was the anti-christ or something. That thinking has no place here. Guess we do have another election then don't we? lol

[jamaq]

LOL the idea cracks me up though, huckabee the destroyer of the earth.

[johnthekeane]

Hehe...although I prefer the idea of natural selection destroying the huckabees of this world!

[JTaylor101]

Jabob Bronowski and David Attenborough

[gamesbok]

David Attenbrough was director of BBC 2 during the late 60's. That was when JK Galbraith said, 'Alone among the nations of the Earth Britain has raised Television to an art form.'

[synapticriot]

I really can't make out the names at the start. What are the two other series apart from Carl Sagan's Cosmos?

[gamesbok]

I believe the series mentioned are 'The Asscent od Man' by Jacob Brownofsky and any of the Attenbrough series, such as 'Life on Earth'.

[lailum]

producing film is a great idea, the first time i learn about dna was from watching jurassic park

[miyamoopen]

I agree with everything thats being said, but I don't agree with the way some of the people pose their questions with so much self righteousness. It's as bad as the way the religious act during discussions. Like they said, science and emotion should be separated.

Just something I picked up, but it worries me.

[scepticalpreacher]

miyamoopen, I can understand the position. We're standing in a burning house while the majority of people are either indifferent or actively opposing the theory that the curtains are smouldering.

The woman asking about the phrase "believe in" is the closest I can see to self-righteous, but she makes a very good point. I don't like my acceptance of evolutionary theory being equated to belief in flying horses and talking snakes.

[miyamoopen]

It was more directed at the larger guy, and how some of the others come off. It's kind of like they are saying 'Har har! I am smarter then you ne ne ne nee neee'.

Saying that, it's not everyone who does this, but a small minority. It just annoys me *shrugs*. This may be the only way to get change, like Krauss and Dawkins said, to get under everyones skin and make some noise. Just as long as they remember to separate emotion from science, otherwise they will be seen as hypocrites.

[gamesbok]

Mark Twain said, 'Faith is believing something you know just ain't so'

[03041976001]

@gamesbok Mark Twain was an extremely well know, and well liked, popular man during his time. But if he lived now, people would be too busy watching American Idol, and Celebrity Dancing, and chugging beer and watching football to notice him. Very sad.

[gamesbok]

@03041976001 I have a horrible feeling you're right.

[mdiem]

Bring back Mr. Wizard's World!

[boiiinng]

He died a couple years ago unfortunately. But they could get Bill Nye to take over!

[bennyv04988]

8:28 This is EXACTLY what I always said about Sarah Palin.

"How can you govern, a position of authority, and be so detached from reality?!"

I literally threw my hands into the air when I heard Richard put it such a similar way.

PS - A 21st century Cosmos overhaul would be spectacular. When I first came across Cosmos, I watched the whole series online, in a single week; a very emotional and inspirational experience.

[mrbhave]

M. Night Shyamalan's "The Village" is a great analogy of governance devoid and detached from reality. Although, the antagonists in the movie knew they were withholding the truth from their sheep.

[cornflakeclusters]

I completely agree Ben. Cosmos blew my mind.

[Devilsnightforlife]

Hmm a new form of version of Sesame Street for children and Avenue Q for grownups to sneak in science instead of religion..

.. Could work ..

I loved both shows but was always a bit dissapointed the way they promoted religion in them.

[hdtwoodsman]

I'm on a mission after watching Bronowski's series. Please type 'ascent of man' and visit Ep 1 Part 1 of 6 and learn about my goal. It all started here.

[AmerginMacEccit]

"Hunkola" is obviously a provocateur and a liar. It's ridiculous to see to what lengths those religious nutcases can go when lying about Dawkins.

[exodus21v20]

Throw out your bleach! Bible god provides this procedure for killing mildew:

To purify the house of mildew take 2 birds, cedar wood, scarlet yarn and hyssop. Kill one of the birds over fresh water in a clay pot. Then take the cedar wood, hyssop, scarlet yarn and the live bird, dip them into the blood of the dead bird and fresh water, and sprinkle the house 7 times. Then he is to release the live bird in the open fields outside the town. In this way it will be clean." [Leviticus. 14:48-53]

[generationalist]

~4:10 The lady speaking with comments on Camp Quest was very good. I really like that she addresses the question of the word belief used in a conversation relating to tested facts. The two words I do NOT like are first belief when we actually mean idea or trust and the second knowledge when we really mean understanding. So many scientists/professionals talk of a body of knowledge which opens an xtian door to address the evil of knowledge. What we have is a body of understanding - wisdom.

[tiberux]

thank you for posting these videos :)

[darkuser999]

Why we don't have all those suggested popularizations of science? Simple, because it's LAME!!! Why can't kids just get an education and accept what they're taught! Oh and have you guys seen that new video someone uploaded of Huckabee "pimping" for Ben Stein's miserable failure of a movie. At first i thought Dawkins was a little harsh here, but now i think calling Huckabee "thick" is an understatement...

[Hunkola]

Richard Dawkins is so brilliant that most of the religious zealots dont even realize how stupid he makes them look in these public debates. I agree with the Professor that all Christians and Muslims should be exterminated and the world would be a much better place for it...a world full of logic, reason and scientific thought free from the poisonous influence of religion on cultures and minds.

[jettmanas]

You're repeating the same mistakes someone has already pointed ot before. Dawkins doesn't advocate murder. And what you propose is vehemently immoral.

But maybe you were spamming by cutting & pasting text. Peace.

[jettmanas]

You're repeating the same mistakes someone has already pointed ot before. Dawkins doesn't advocate murder. And what you propose is vehemently immoral.

But maybe you were spamming by cutting & pasting text. Peace.

[CrunkRockSteadyEvan]

he wants to eliminate religion

not eliminate the religious

there is a very big difference between education and murder

[Hunkola]

Our leader Dawkins teaches us that religion is born from the minds of the mentally weak......and these mentally-weak Christians need to be exterminated like vermin before they spread their poison any further.....so let the cleansing begin!

[Siquehavia]

Yep, those should've been subtitled as well :)

I think Dawkins refers to "David Attenborough's entire corpus [of series]" and Jacob Bronowski's "The Ascent of Man".

[Dihital]

Can anyone write down the titles of the other 2 series besides Sagan's Cosmos mentioned by Dawkins at the very beginning of this part?

[grassnake]

Jacob Bronowski's "The Ascent of Man" and all of David Attenborough's work, look up "The Blue Planet" for a particularly good example of Attenbourough's work.

[tommyk77]

David Attenborough's best work is the Planet Earth series. It's just incredible. Photography is brilliant, music by George Fenton is mind blowing and the places visited are awesome. Attenborough consistently talk of the evolution of the creatures in the series with great clarity and ease.

10/10 series. Brilliant

[Birdieupon]

I don't take anybody seriously who needs to steal a phrase from the movie "Enemy of the State" in order to insult someone.

[Yttrium77]

Ugh. UGGGH.

Terrible questions, bizarre questioners,

but wonderful responses on the part of the two "normalest" people in the entire hall.

[darkuser999]

Dude, how can he not mention BBC's more recent "Walking with..." series, which, although flashy and has some inaccuracies, drew me into the subjects of evolution and paleontology more than any other documentary...

[supernova58]

at 8:46, "...why he is here how he is here" sounds to me similar to the 'purpose' question which Dawkins said was stupid , or maybe I'm missing the main point here?

[BoozyBeggar]

"How" goes to our genetic roots and "why" goes to meiotic replication, but I'm not Dawkins so I don't presume to know what he meant by them, that's just my interpretation.

[supernova58]

right it might be something like you said.

[jsullivan80]

Krauss sounded like Sam Harris there for a few seconds

[rebeldog11]

I cannot believe Dawkins doesn't think science is a social issue!

[schmiggen]

I think maybe he doesn't think it should be a social issue. He'd have to acknowledge that it ends up being one.

[DefaultPosition]

I agree. What about the issue of abortion? Surely that requires some scientific knowledge? What about climate change? the list goes on.

Perhaps he's thinking that what constitutes science shouldn't be up for public debate, it's a scientific issue and subject to the scientific process.

[TheConciseStatement]

In the end, everything is political.

As my favourite film critic Mark Kermode has said, you can't talk about the film Superbad in and of itself, in its own supposedly harmless, self-contained realiy. At some point you have to recognise feminism and misogyny, and see how it plays into those universal discourses.

Science and religion offer provocative sociopolitical debate, otherwise no one would have attended this event.

[kitbots]

Its only a social issue when believers in fairy tales find that it conflicts with their myth.

The application of a particular science can be a moral issue, some get their morals from ancient tribal texts others by rational thought but whether or not we make use of some scientific knowledge is a completely different question to whether or not the Science is right. We did evolve, denying it just like saying the earth is flat....

[ashtool]

"this man is thick, he's stupid".

couldn't have said it better. lol @ Huckabee or should we say 'Hillbilly'