Kung Fu San Soo Dave Hopkins Street Fighting Vol. 3

[lcaccsj]

This is an explanation of a beginning lesson. It's design is to help the student learn to move, not be a robot step 1, 2, etc. Master Dave and Master Macias are both VERY skilled and ranked in Machado BJJ. Practicing a lesson is not practicing fighting. Any skilled martial artist would be able to understand this.

[djkristang]

Man I can sit here and pick this crappy shit appart all day! I would love for someone to fall into my guard and give their back in a fight!

[wannabRanger]

@djkristang and im not saying your fighting style is "wrong and bad and mine is better" shit, im just saying there arnt really any videos on youtube that are gonna show you real San Soo in real situations because it would be very graphic

[djkristang]

What happens when you fight someone that actually knows how to fight? Because I guarantee no one in San Soo Can catch my jab and before they had time to hit my solor plex my cross would be connecting with their jaw. Then as they were stunned from my cross, because no one in san soo knows how to take a punch, my hook would KO them. LOL San Soo, Waste of time. I could not throw a punch and beat a san soo chump with my jiu jitsu. LOL

[wannabRanger]

@djkristang If you simply base San Soo on this video (or many of the San Soo "Demonstrations" on youtube) then you are completely right because most of the "Demonstrations" between two people on youtube is not real San Soo, my father is a black belt in what i like to think of as "Real San Soo" and its more tone towards real fights and real situations, where its hard to see because my thumb is in your eye or its hard to breathe because you got hit in the throat, not this "catch your punch" shit

[crazzyape]

It's all about deception. San Soo is ALL offensive. There is no waiting. Anyone within arms distance can be hurt badly in 2 strikes. We drill effective, correctly timed, and powerful movements. We get right the first time. Resistance from an opponent is not a factor. If a San Soo practitioner ends up on the ground, then have not mastered the art. Period. This art is no joke.

[cantape]

BJJ is where its at

[sansookilla007]

One thing I will say about the takedown done on this video. Japandrifting, you made a comment about the master breaking his knee cap on the takedown. As hes going down, he is hooking the back of the heel with his right hand and leans into the leg with his body locking out the knee knocking him down. He is doing the lesson slow, in reality he would not drop his weight on his knee and then roll through him, he would hook the heel and roll his body weight through as he dropped.

[sansookilla007]

Once the knee is locked out he is going down or his knee would hyper extend or break, when done fast there is a good chance that it might. I can promise that Dave is not a "moron", his studio is in Riverside, California. You should check it out in person if you can. Watch some of his black belt promotions, most if not all of his black belts are impressive.

[Japandrifting]

sansookilla--- masters in any art are not found in high numbers. you imply that slow speed vs. full speed are different, but the same problems will be found at any speed. i incorporate a large amount of grappling in the art i teach, but only as a last resort. i teach my students to hit and get out of there. don't go to the ground unless your opponent pulls you down there.

[ninjiujitsu1]

the second u get on that bent knee position a jiujitsu fighter would get both hooks in and you would have lost the fight.

[sansookilla007]

The key to the lesson is the first strike. Same time you block and step into the stance you strike the stomach. Using my body weight to add to the force of the strike, not just my muscle. In essence the strike is a suprise to the opponent and very effective. Now so you know san soo lessons are done under 3 seconds, from the time you block to the last strike. Most are done in less than one second. In that time frame they would be on the ground before they knew what happened.

[chucknorrispranks]

your still missing the fact that once on the ground, were they not a complete bitch, they would take the hit and get their hooks in and choke you out.

and pretty much ALL martial arts styles complete their series of moves in under 3 seconds, unless were talking about BS american karate or something. 3 seconds is a lifetime. 1 second sounds right. once im on the ground though, the fight doesnt end nessecarily, if i know how to fight on the ground or if your bad at pins and locks.

[sansookilla007]

The thing is that san soo fighters dont stay on the ground. In the lesson as soon as he rolls them down on the ground he rolls through into a elbow to the groin and comes up on his knee striking the face with right punches. I agree if we layed down we would have problems. I personally dont like lessons that go to the ground. I would rather end the fight quickly on my feet.

[Japandrifting]

i studied san soo for a few years and found that it had too many holes in it. not enough full contact and sometimes there were too many moves. i teach a system that is jkd, mt, bjj, wrestling, boxing, kali, kino mutay, knife fighting, and gun training.

[sansookilla007]

I dont know who you studied under or what rank you attained but I have been doing san soo for over 6 years now and I am currently a 3rd degree black belt. I have found no holes, as a matter of fact I have found that san soo is the most complete COMBAT art in the world. Nothing compares to the brutal effiecently of san soo. Either your master didnt have a full understanding of the style or you never talked to any other san soo masters.

[Japandrifting]

i studied with several black belts in orange county, ca. they were solid teachers but i think much of san soo is not applicable to the street as it teaches. for example, in this video the moronic instructor drops his knee to the ground and does some goofy take down. well on the street he would have injured himself. perhaps shattered his knee cap on the concrete. san soo has too many moves. it sucks.

[sansookilla007]

First off if you only studied with black belts you missed out on the knowledge of a master. The statement you made about it not working on the street tells me you didnt study for long. The master I train with is a retired police officer and he used his san soo training in MANY real situations. On duty and off. There are techniques we learn that are very deadly and effective, some that are so dangerous that only black belts and above can use them in a workout because of the amount of control.

[Japandrifting]

sansooguy--- so you're saying that black belts are useless? so san soo is only effective when taught by "masters?" by your words, san soo is only effective when you reach the level of master. just go to 2:37 of this clip and it's clear that this system has problems. look at how the "master" turns his back to his opponent.

[sansookilla007]

Of course black belts are not useless, and of course they are effective. A master just has more time and experience with the art and their knowledge is priceless. When a lesson is broken down and done slowly its easy to see possible counterattacks. When its executed at full speed its a different story. Im not going to be critical of ANY Master but me personally I dont like taking lessons to the ground. I would rather finish things very quickly on my feet in case I have to fight more foes.

[jtdjrussell]

THese lessons seem very realistic!

Thanks for the lessons!

[H2Zman]

man I wish it was as easy as he made it look. lol.

[zibiaozheng]

guys don't folow these patterns if u meet danger only if u kno it well just try everything u learn my besyt move is to eat lot of fruits and eggs before a fight . ben em down and fart in their face and u can ... them lol

[donhtb1]

These lessons are so cool. keep up the great work Dave!!!

[LittleBuddha274]

These are some great lessons and I can't wait for Dave to come to Germany and give another San Soo Seminar!