Hitchens And Sullivan BUSH WAS WRONG

[Xwowplaya]

It is now 5 years after this broadcast and the war still rages. There have been two major votes against this war; the lose of control of the GOP house in 2006 and the presidential election in 2008, where the voters mandated their representatives to stop the war and nothing has happened. Does anyone still think after 5 years of votes not controlling the direction of the country, that this is still a democracy.

[toverkleet]

Hitchens and Sullivan agreeing on this point. Shear awesomeness :D

[squamish4244]

Rumsfeld resigned like what, the next day?

[mu99ins]

All conflicts are supposed to be clean, easy and short aren't they? No. No they aren't and this is not new. As the American Civil War was coming to a close, the South was considering transforming to guerilla warfare, and this was the North's worst nightmare. Guerilla warfare can go on for years, even generations, with little support and minimal cost. Basically, the Islamists need volunteers for suicide missions, and there seems to be no end to that.

[echoplex89]

ha ha. No thank you.

Seriously, American news died a while ago.

We have the internet to find the news. Which means the younger generations aren't as ignorant.

[NoRegretsForOurYouth]

lol, the only thing Hitchens is conservative about is his Marxism. Swing and a miss.

[ThePuzzler81]

It's really a slap in the face to the gay community that Andrew Sullivan hasn't come out of the closet yet. Just like Ted Haggard, some youtube users like VenomFangX and Kabanethechristian, nothing, absolutely nothing could be more obvious than that Sullivan is a straight up homosexual.

[LondonPride25]

@ThePuzzler81 I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure that Andrew Sullivan is openly homosexual. I thought I saw him on one C-SPAN interview (also with Hitch) talking about his long-term male partner. I seem to remember that he mentioned he was HIV positive as well.

[sidneyx2]

@ThePuzzler81 It is no mystery that Andrew Sullivan is married to a man. I honestly think it's respectable that he doesn't make it his first foot forward at every interview.

[CommanderC4]

The main problem with the war is that the politicians running it are absolute morons and unparalleled hypocrites. If Bush didn't try to ban flag burning and gay marriage or pass he fascist homeland security act then he might have had a leg to stand on when it came time to talk about "Freedom" and "Democracy" in Iraq. Unfortunately the Grand Old Party no longer enforces any of its own ideals of "small government". Hitchens constantly says that it always should have been a war of the left.

[Nerd042]

lol I love how pissed hitchens looks when she calls him a conservative!! omg I love him. He's so sexy when he's angry.

[a1W6av1e8]

Sullivan: 'This is not an election anymore-it's an intervention.' absolutely perfect.

[TheCritRocket]

You know he was against bush in the first place, right? He called him amazingly ignorant, unintelligent ...etc before the election.

[wovokanarchy]

Read "Love, Poverty and War" Hitchens is a neo-conservative.

[BigLundi]

@wovokanarchy Why? Cause you say so?

[wovokanarchy]

@BigLundi About reading the book? Or that Hitchen's is a neo-conservative?

[BigLundi]

@wovokanarchy Hitchens being a neo-conservative

[wovokanarchy]

@BigLundi It's not my opinion but based on his writings post-911. Have you read "Love, Poverty and War"?

[BigLundi]

@wovokanarchy Yes. Have you read his other books?

[wovokanarchy]

@BigLundi Hitch 22, God is not Great, and Thomas Jefferson, and Blood and Class

I know he used to be a Troskyite but he became a "Bushyte"

[BigLundi]

@wovokanarchy *rolleyes* He is consistent, is what he is. And now he endorses Obama over the republicans, and, btw, did so before Obama was even elected. People don't like Hitchens because he refuses to be either a conservative or liberal. He thinks liberals are cowards, and that republicans are close minded. He was never a 'Bushyte' he just agreed with some things Bush did. Don't imply that he's a ship jumper of some sort. He still IS a mmarxist, btw.

[wovokanarchy]

@BigLundi Come on now, who's kidding whom here? Hitchens is a flip flopper who changes with the changing tide.

[BigLundi]

@wovokanarchy When did he flip flop?

[wovokanarchy]

@BigLundi 1 example is being against arbitrary American imperialism and aggression in Vietnam and now supporting the war in Iraq which is basically the same war based on the same lie. How is that for a start?

[BigLundi]

@wovokanarchy Wrong. He supports the war in Iraq because he's far more against ruthless, immoral dictators killing their own people en mass, and the idea that a madman like Saddam had access to materials concerning WMD's was definately threatening news. Or would you have rather waited until Saddam HAD the WMD's before we went over there? How do you think that would have played out? We'd be in the same situation we're in with North Korea now.

[wovokanarchy]

@BigLundi You've just lost the arguement. Relying on ol' hackneyed excusesfor the war that have been shown to be all a pack of lies emanating from Bush's arsehole. Try expanding your news sources from FOX "news''/

[BigLundi]

@wovokanarchy I don't watch Fox News at all actually. And you just lost the argument, because you just said that saddam's ruthless regime being bad for his people is a lie. And it most certinaly is not. Try and expand your sources from something other than public opinion.

[wovokanarchy]

@BigLundi Saddam was a very "bad" guy. No one disputes that. The thing is he stopped being "America's bad guy'' and that's what got him in trouble.There are 100s of "bad" leaders in the world. Does America have the right to unilaterally invade and murder 100 000s of these countries' citizens? The fact your evading is Iraq and Vietnam are both wars of similar scope and lies and Hitchens flip flopped on these two wars.

[BigLundi]

@wovokanarchy Vietnam was a war about communism, Iraq was a war about a dictator having access to the materials necessary to make WMD's. NO, he didn't have the WMD's themselves, but we found the materials to make them, he was in poisition to make them. He didn't flip flop. Also, you clearly haven't read Christopher Hitchens' "A Long Short War" nor saw his debate with Tariq Ali iback in 07. If you had done either, you'd know he's not a neoconservative. You lose.

[wovokanarchy]

@BigLundi AMerica ''found the materials to make" WMD's? Total bollocks. Did you just pull that one straight out of your ass? Send me the link where I can read the document that states that? That would be great but I've followed the news about the war in Iraq and no such article has ever materialized on the subject. If it had the GOP would have constantly been harping about it, even at election time. So if a country is communist then it's fair to invade a country unilaterally? How about Cuba?

[BigLundi]

@wovokanarchy Wiki this exact phrase, "Iraq and weapons of mass destruction"

We found bunkers filled with chemical weapons, and materials to implement them. They also had old WMD programs that were, with full intent, to be restored as soon as the U.N. lifted its sanctions on the country. What news do you listen to? Do you read any objective sources? And for your informatyion, Vietnam was already at War when we got there, we just helped. And for Cuba, I never said it was fair to invade

Cont'd

[BigLundi]

@wovokanarchy Nobody, not I, nor Hitchens said it was ok to invade a country because they are communists. It IS ok to invade a country that is run by a dangerous madman that has access to lethal materials ad kills his own people en mass. The ONLY reason we don't invade N. Korea is because they actually HAVE nukes, and we don't want that madman Kim to set them off, even if they can't reach US they can reach our allies.

[BigLundi]

@wovokanarchy And we even actually DID invade Korea, and if it weren't for Truman, we wouldn't have had to leave without first disarming the situation there. But so far it has semi-worked out, S. Korea is developing monumentally in comparison with its northern neighbor. In fact, South Korea might even take care of the North Korea problem for us.

[thunderfr00t]

LOLBRITISHQUEERS

[Apathyist]

Major newscasters always introduce guests from their own perspective, adding a bunch of "facts" to set the tone for the interview. Then they try to skip past that and move on to other questions without giving their guests the opportunity to dispute the claims made in the intro. While Hitchens does come off a little arrogant, at least he is willing to interrupt and correct someone when they make assumptions or if the "facts" they're presenting are just plain wrong.

[lepolemicist]

It's stupid to call Sullivan a conservative, but calling Hitchens a con is to show oneself to be an incredible ignoramus.

[GaiusIuliusTaberna]

@lepolemicist Well they are simple minded, to them anyone who supports the war is a conservative, even though its a war against conservatives in the Islamic world...

[spinners123]

Why do people continue to spar with this guys intelligence he always owns them like they are learning children!

[Majorbakstor]

What an idiot. "This war is a catastrophe" We need wars that run smoothly like they used to.

[Floridanon407]

@Majorbakstor I really do hope you were being ironic. There's no such thing as a smoothly run war.

No plan survives first contact with the enemy. -Carl Von Clauswitz

[Apathyist]

@Floridanon407

They're not talking about military success. They're talking about political success and success from the perspective of governance.

[darthbandon1]

Hitchens is a Trotskyite.

[Lazzzyeye]

Former?

[MA453]

Did she really call the hitch a conservative??... FIRE HER

[purphanz]

@MA453 i believe he is a pragmatic objectivist... jajaja

[MichaelnChristine]

@MA453 He's said the same about himself....

[FinalHeresy]

@MA453 out of a cannon

[RationalEmotive]

I love how Hitchens interrupts the obnoxious news anchor.

[uccomic]

These unprepared "journalists" must feel their blood drain from their faces when they realized they've tweaked Hitchens. His about 10 levels intellectually above them.

[Strettger]

I wouldnt call him intelligent from what I have seen (last hour browsing youtube, open to debate) but just has common sense. He takes things at arms length and then makes sure he understands something before going into it as opposed to following herd mentality.

Detached, analytical and wise, intelligence is somewhat overrated in comparison to the other three in my opinion.

[mymentor]

But what is intelligence, other than (in part, anyway) detached analytical wisdom?

He's no genius - we'll leave that for the physicians, astonomers and quantum theorists, but then again the average quantum mechanics wonk probably couldn't give you a dissertation of Sunni-Shia historicity in Southern Iraq. Intelligence does, after all, come in many forms. Application and dedication to acquiring knowledge is not an insignificant manifestation of those forms.

[Strettger]

In my opinion intelligence means you can learn faster than others. No more, no less, itas just the rate at which you can assimilate new knowlege into your mindset to the point you know it intuitively.

[kentamitchell]

Only *ten*?

[mucalinda]

uccomic Hitchens got a third class degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics. These degrees are handed out just for turning up to student lectures. He was a cocksure, arrogant Trotskyist, a cocksure, arrogant Neo-Conservative and a full-on supporter of Cheney, Bush and Rumsfeld. Now he's cocksure Bush etc were all wrong and the rest of us are idiots not to see it. This man's hubris knows no limits. He changes positions faster than a two dollar whore and yet always maintains he's right.

[moiphx2]

Or is that left?

;)

[iLoveSalami]

@uccomic

Obviously, HE'S about 11 above you.

[grumpyguts1967]

hitchens , the king of sarcasm , intellectuals and put downs.

[FreakishDonQuixote]

if hitchens is the king of intellectuals I'm the queen of england

[ihateneocons]

poor debate. i blame the interview and the choice of sullivan as a sparring partner.

[TheFragile89]

Hitchens owns...as usual.

[valerienanh]

this is not about paula or "c-dog"

its about BUSH the DUMB ASS!!

[jfrsnjhnsn]

Wow. She was NOT ready for the C-Dog.

[thejackal7137]

Paula Zahn is such a bimbo media slut it hurts to even try to take her seriously.

[wackid89]

lol

[mongobobo]

She's been around a while.

[WKaliber1]

Bush is a dong

[marsCubed]

She is asking for soooo much trouble by asking Hitchens on without having done here research properly.. You just know it is going to sting.

[mongobobo]

Paula Zahn is a bimbo

[Estamio]

...a full generation after USA "independence"

was the bloodiest internal conflict in US history.

There is NOTHING the USA can do to control an outcome across the world.

Nothing.

[XCEquis]

ohhhhhhhhh, now we are winning, you think these idiots will apologize?

[deathbotv1]

winning? my ass.

[karhu1913]

Still relevant. Troops to leave in 2011? All troops? ;) Maybe victory is defined by huge amount of taxpayer resources redirected to other hands.

[steerpike66]

Now, this is not homophobic (I'm gay myself) but you can really tell Sullivan is queer, can't you. There's a breathiness to his voice that's a dead giveaway? Is this hardwired? Or is it just what happens when gay men start hanging out together; they develop similarities of bearing and tone?

[burlearth]

He's gay alright, he's a republican.

[skedaddleMLS]

lol burn! good one :P

[phartknocker1]

hitchens is a pimp

[bambapabbi]

phartknocker1 , have you seen his pimpmobil? its shagadelic !

[Elasaltaculos]

It was not Rumsfeld's handling of Iraq that was a travesty. It was the fact that it is a war we should not be involved with. The American government has responsibility to the American people, not the Iraqi people.

Sullivan sounds like a simpleton from what I gather from this clip, I have not heard from him.

[AnunC8]

Perhaps I'm incorrect, but I seem to remember Christopher Hitchens referring to himself as a neo-conservative in one of his videos? Anyone know?

I needn't bother with any comments about Bush. I think we've all got him figured out.

[megamarsvin]

You're not wrong but the same goes for the morons at Fox ;)

Hitchens rocks, he dislikes both fascist Bush and the screaming liberals equally, he knows they are both ignorant and short-sighted.

[vulvul]

oh, man. i have liked paula zahn for so long . . . only to find out that she is not nearly as sharp as i had believed.

hitchens a conservative? she must not have read his stuff from the last couple of decades. yes, he's pro-iraq war -- but that's for humanitarian purposes (to stop saddam from slaughtering his people).

and then she didn't comprehend his semantic distinction re: ''fantastic.''

oh, paula. soooo disappointing.

[JACKtheRIPP3R189]

Yeah hitchens argues against what he calls "half assed liberalism" which is a vague way of referring to those who want to let the terrorists slide just to be contrary to the right wingers.

[ironwork92000]

Who is the terrorist?

[FUCKYOURGODINTHEASS]

She makes me randy,baby! Hitchens makes Sullivan look like a fool.

[happypantsman10]

Does anyone else find Sullivan to be somewhat of an idiot. He doesn't seem to make any sense.

He is also a openly gay Christiahn?

[FuckYouLetMeLogIn]

No. It's just you.

And what the fuck doe his sexual orintation have to do with anything? Are you homophobic or just a moron?

[somewhatlongdong]

Leave it to Hitch to put a bonehead like Paula Zahn in her place!

[bachyutt]

Hitchens is the best

[PhillyDickinson]

Hitchens' face at 0:33 is brilliant. Great guy.

[Mildmannered06]

Haha. His face is like, "Listen bitch..."

[FudgeAm3r1ka]

Painful is clearly the best word for it but what comes next is vivid dreams of gutting Bush YEAH BABY!!! Oh and be patient people much new information will come out on politics, tech and space so brace yourself for the second half of the year 2007 beatiful people. and rememba we are gods!

[evoneal]

hitchens is the SHIIIIIIT but should smile from time to time

[Domzdream]

I agree. He should lighten up a bit. ok. A lot!

It would work towards his favour.

[sailaway786]

Hitchens is an ass hole. He supports the war. Whata saddo. Alcoholic.

[Scrapheap71]

Four legs good,

Two legs bad!!!

[casescaglione]

You misspelled phony, moron.

[yannchambrier]

"Not a conservative." lol

This has to be one of the great moments captured on TV. I am so sick of people putting lables on other people based on a very superficial understanding of their beliefs and what those lables implies.

[nyomythus]

Allow me to re-write your introduction: its painfulz how stupd som public of the amercians portion can be to believe to believe a phoney hitlerman Like Bush. Of all the great men who have lead that country club .. He is a pretty he is a pretty poor poor example. Their politicals is theatre. No truths ..or lies, just theatre & lives are lost because of it and people die and some get killed and theatre.

There, some much needed coherency. =\

[PhillyDickinson]

hitlerman?

[seajayf]

the talking head was a twit

[HopefullyUnexpected]

"Is that what you're saying?"

Noooooo.

[Previewh]

its painful how stupid some portion of the amercian public can be to believe a phoney Like Bush. Of all the great men who have lead that country .. He is a poor example. Their politics is theatre. No truths ..or lies, just theatre & lives are lost because of it.