HHO Updates 5/18/2009

[lrover03]

rsteve'moron' has been blocked from commenting on my videos any further because he is an obvious troll trying his best to discredit what I have already proven to work. Sorry Steve, but I'm sticking to my guns about this, and you can go piss up a rope for all I care. I DID the research and I KNOW what works for me. Until you do your own research, don't come around here trying to discredit what I've already proven.

[bikr1975]

just wondering if anyone here knows what would happen if you added an electrolyte to ordinary engine oil to use in hho generator?? would there be any gasses / fuel to burn?? would it work??

[lrover03]

@bikr1975 I think you're looking for something like the GEET fuel processor. Oil is an insulator and won't respond to electrolysis. Do a search for GEET fuel or similar. Good luck!

[kanoadrian]

works!

[isaiahjames1978]

hi everyone, excuse me for a while, if you are there, please answer my query. do you need ampere booster or something? thanks

[lrover03]

@isaiahjames1978 No, I just changed out the stock 30 amp. generator for a 55amp. alternator that you would normally find on the '74 and newer bugs. The PWM controller I have hiding under where the back seat used to be, regulates the amperage to the cell.

[JRShatzeline]

Hi Dave !

your video brings back good memories.

When I was younger I drove the same VW Bug for about 7 years

and I had a good time with it.

Thank you for reminding and making me smile !

Have a nice weekend !

J.R. Shatzeline

[lrover03]

@JRShatzeline Thanks J.R. The little Bug is still rockin' and rollin'. I have several good sources for parts, so it's pretty easy to keep her going. Take care man, talk to you later!

[snowman3514]

dude take it off it's a scam if you dont beleive me see a1mint channel, he is an actual scientist 

[lrover03]

@snowman3514 Why would I take it off when it actually works? I don't think you fully understand the concept here. I'm not *running* the car on HHO, it just acts as a catalyst to the existing combustion process and allows it to burn more of the fuel. If you've had any experience with VW's, you'd know they don't get that good of gas mileage to start with (about 29-33), so when it jumps to 40-43 with the HHO, that's enough proof for me! Case closed. :))

[snowman3514]

@lrover03

haha yea cunt whatever yo say dude. like duno what ur facts are coming from but ur dead wrong buddie. dont care if your getting payed for spreding this shit but dont worrie it aint working for an one but morons like yourself

[lrover03]

@snowman3514 OK Mitch... just for posterity, I'm going to leave this comment up just to show how 'intelligent' you sound with your L33t-speak and all that. Most Aussies I know are pretty receptive to new outside-the-box technology, but apparently you haven't got that far yet. Every penny invested in this project is out of my own pocket since I'm sick and tired of paying my hard earned money to the oil companies at $3.50+ per gallon. I'm just stating facts about my own findings. ;)

[snowman3514]

@lrover03

haha "new, outside the box"?? ahh electrolysis was invented in the 1800 by William Nicholson not "new" al all. Hydrogen boosting devices have been proven useless soundlessly by independent scientific laboratories but of course you would say something along the lines of them getting 'paid off by the oil companies'? That’s the usual reply and what about the founders of this 'miracle device'? Stan mires was sued 25,000 for fraud. and the endless other scammers who have been disproven.

[english20002000]

@snowman3514 Your a queer shut up and get a life, and let this man do whatever he likes with his money. And Irover03 keep up the good work and dont let queers like snowman3514 get you down.

[lrover03]

@english20002000 LOL, No problem Jeff. The trolls make me laugh sometimes. I started this project in desperation when the gas prices shot up to 4.50+ per gallon a couple years ago, and I'm glad I did. I've learned a lot about what works and what doesn't. A lot of it is keeping everything uniform and clean when assembling your plates and container, and the initial burn in process. That and a good stable PWM make all the difference. :)

[rstevewarmorycom]

@english20002000 That's what paid shills do, they call

you a queer if you won't give them your money. These

clowns get several YouTube IDs and pretend to be

supporting "each other". HHO is a SCAM!!

[lrover03]

@rstevewarmorycom Guys like you really amuse me. If I was a 'paid shill' as you call it, I probably wouldn't be living in a one-horse town in the middle of nowhere with some of the highest gas prices in the country. Every nickel I've put into this car, I've earned on my own, by turning wrenches on other peoples vehicles for the last 30 years. If you actually had a life, you'd have videos on your channel describing how YOUR research has proven HHO doesn't work. Case closed. ;)

[rstevewarmorycom]

@lrover03 Okay, if you're not a shill, then you're

simply uneducated and being hood-winked. I don't

do video-blog because there are lots of well-made

documentaries about this SCAM already. If you

looked for them on YouTube instead of only listening

to people who agree with you, you'd know that.

[lrover03]

@rstevewarmorycom Yes, I'm uneducated. Let's talk about eprom's. The reason HHO doesn't work on fuel injection is because the ECU's eprom is programmed for a 14.7-1 air-fuel mix. This is the reason most HHO research is flawed. The computers are not setup to handle it properly. You can add devices to fool the sensors, but without re-programming the actual eprom, they'll never work right. Fortunately, carbureted vehicles don't have this problem and respond nicely to a little HHO for a catalyst.

[rstevewarmorycom]

@lrover03 Your EPROMs programming (actually an

EEPROM or FlashEEPROM these days) should have no

effect on HHO because the HHO contains exactly the

right amount of O to burn with your H2. If it does it's

because your input is altering the fuel flow. If you're

inputting it into the air intake it will have no effect,

except to not give you improved gas mileage, which it

never does anyway, since it steals the energy to

break down water from the engine power itself.

[rstevewarmorycom]

@lrover03 If you do the experiment honestly abd determine

your mileage over a repeated course both directions to

account for wind and incline, you will see no improvement

in mileage or a slight decrease because of energy losses

in conversion, which is what the government found. If the

government found any magic to improve gas mileage their

first reaction would probably be to make it mandatory!!

[lrover03]

@rstevewarmorycom I could go on forever to explain how the HHO is acting as more of a catalyst to the existing mixture, and not so much as a flammable component in itself, which in turn changes the A/F ratio enough to warrant changing the eprom or eeprom. But no matter what I say, you will find something to counteract it, so I'm not going to waste any more breath here. I'll just be happy to save a few extra bucks at the gas pump thanks to something that actually worked for me.

[ek93477]

i love the HHO idea but would it be possible to use in a state like wisconsin with the cold weather?

[lrover03]

ek: Probably only during the warmer months. I've even disconnected mine for the winter, since it would be kind of silly to keep a heat lamp in the car to prevent the cell from freezing. The only solution I know of would to be to mix enough methanol with the water to prevent freezing. Don't know how it would affect the operation of the cell though....

[onazolcris]

@lrover03 Hi There! Chemestry is the key!!! When you mix enough salt in the wather (in this particular case would be the electrolite) the frozen point get down under 0°C so, if you use NaOH or KOH you will get 2 things: 1.- The frozen point gets down to -5°C 2.- Your HHO cell will work very HOT while your HHO production will rize up!!! cuz the NaOH is much better electrolizer than the Sodium Bicarbonate.

[lrover03]

Since I posted this, I've installed a pre-built PWM to control the current draw on the HHO cell. I'm now using a couple tablespoons of Sodium Hydroxide (liquid lye), per gallon, for my electrolyte, and it seems to work really well and the cell stays much cleaner. With the new 55 amp alternator, I keep the PWM set to around 22-25 amps and everything works fine. Current MPG average is 41.3, combined city and highway.

[2H1O1]

Cool! I like the bug and the HHO MPG

[bigd522524]

Nice job!

[fdzwes]

Important Post!

Your pre-hho mileage reading seems reasonable, so I am more willing to believe your hho results.

But a ? about the HHO into Carbs configuration:

Are they going into a vacuum port, where you might connect a vacuum advance distributor? Will that not pull your HHO through, whether you are making enough or not? Will that not lean out the mixture?

Thanks again for the post.

[lrover03]

Nope, not a vacuum port. That was a protrusion that was cast into the body of the carb right about where the choke plate would usually be. I drilled it through and threaded it for 1/8" NPT. There is a short piece of copper tubing that goes into about the center of the carb throat. If there is any draw on it, it's negligible. Actually the mixture can stand to be a bit leaner when running HHO since it improves the burn properties.

[fdzwes]

I'm just wondering out loud here...

Wonder if there is a slight draw on the HHO to carb. You are drawing not just HHO but steam vapors as well. The draw is leaning the mixture out, BUT the steam is absorbing the excess heat from running lean.

End result is a good running, lean mixture with some HHO assist and an engine that's clean as a whistle inside. Sure hope you keep us updated.

[vochitoken]

Great setup but please, paint that car...

[honda4004]

amazing how many hydrogen people seem to have a bug ...same here in uk got a 76 1303..but not hit it with hydrogen just tried it 3 years ago on kerosene..not to good so been sat up and rusting

[lrover03]

Kerosene would probably work, but you would have to lower the compression to about 5.5 to 1 to get it to run properly (like the old Rumley Oil Pull tractors). Also, it would pollute something fierce on kerosene unless you ran super high compression and a fuel injection pump (a.k.a. diesel), which would soon turn it into scrap metal without beefing up everything. :)

[beast84741]

NICE VOLVO!!!!

[lrover03]

Volvo?! Better get your glasses changed there guy. :-)) Hint: Read the info text..

[egn83b]

wow that really low amperage on an alternator.

[VolkswagenTube]

Awesome setup!

[GTIBully]

Great Work!

How many LPM's? My VW GTI runs much better with HHO, more power, faster revs. I'm still working on getting mine tuned to get better mpg results. I'm running two boosters and a gasoline vaporizer. The vaporizer has yielded a 2 mpg gain alone,...46 mpg highway without hho. Next i will be trying to lean the mixture when i get a EGT gauge installed. My goal is 50 mpg and i think i can do it. More testing and videos to come. Good luck,...keep up the good work!

[lrover03]

I haven't run a LPM test on the cell since I installed it in the car. I'll take a wild guess and say probably around 1.2. If I get a little time in the next week or so, I'll run a test and see what I come up with. ;)

[ehnriko]

WHOAH!!!!! I want that BUG! :-D

I have to feature this in my VW Club site!... with your permission of course... I think It's REALLY COOL! The plumbing is also well laid out - suggestive of good hydrodynamics..

The Mileage is impressive - considering the engine size and Carburation in your set up... WOW!... Even better than the latest Ford Fusion with 41MPG.

Old Bugs RULE!

Congratulations on your project bug!... I am really very much impressed!..

[lrover03]

Thanks! It's pretty tough to get dual ports to run properly at high altitude (above 6000 ft.), but I've got fairly small jets and a lot of advance. The HHO makes a big difference on the throttle response and seems to get rid of a lot of the pre-ignition that I had from low-octane gas.

[ehnriko]

Very accurate observations!... this is true in all the projects I made. the improved throttle response is really hard to miss... and the low end torque as well.

[HHO4ALL]

Nice setup