Columbia was my favorite space shuttle. The 1st, the one who paved the way for Challenger (may she and her crew rest in peace), Discovery, Atlantis, and last but not least, the baby of the space shuttles, Endeavour. I hope Columbia and her astronauts are in a better place now with Challenger and her crew as well. I remember when i got up excited early in the morning to watch Columbia's reentry live, just to watch the death of these 7 astronauts and Columbia. I cried my eyes out for days,
well if we had a time machine we could go back to January 16 2003 and tear off the part that came off of the ET(External tank)and when comes into re-entry it will land safely land and retire in 2012
well if we had a time machine we could go back to January 16 and tear off the part that came off of the ET(External tank)and when comes into re-entry it will land safely land and retire in 2012
And rest in peace to the crew. I don't think there is a coverup, but man do i wish budgets were a little more diversified..a man I knew who worked for the NSA told me that there is a military-grade spaces shuttle.. is it really time for space-wars? i mean, it is just a damn shame that politics is not as committed as the men and women who died during the re-entry
I've said this before but it's pretty important anyway: most of the deaths now (Apollo 1 doesn't really count) have been because NASA hasn't taken the problems seriously. That happened with Challenger in 1986 and then Columbia in 2003. These problems could have been prevented.
Actual hit was shown on TV. It was filmed with a long rage camera and was kinda fuzzy. But you could see a piece of something striking the wing. If it was foam, the estimated speed on impact was about 700 km/hr. It was first calculated by independent researchers and later confirmed by CIAB. However NASA officials kept denying that this could cause any significant damage. Like they never heard about the formula for kinetic energy.
You can't - the foam strike is not visible from NASA TV coverage, rather from long-range tracking film cameras attached to powerful telescopes. These were routinely recorded prior to onboard video, in order to assess the inevitable foam and ice shedding experienced during launch. That is why the refusal of Dittemore, Cain, and Ham to allow remote imaging while on orbit is a criminally negligent act - this was basic physics they ignored, or simply did not understand. "Never forget" THOSE three.
Nasa still uses long range cameras and 150 other cameras during launch. I think their just more careful what they show live now. Also new powerful radars were set up to track debris during launch that can track maybe foam pieces as small as a racket ball.
I don't think any telescope could provide enough resolution to see the damage. Mainly due to atmospheric distortions. And also I wander if there is a telescope at all that can track fast moving object like space shuttle.
Well according to the CAIB reports, people who know (classified info) stated that it was not only possible, it was rather easy to see the damage on Columbia's wing while on orbit.
You know, I don't trust to the sources that say something on condition of anonymity or "classified". We all know they keep the invaders from outer space and their space ships in Area 51. But it's classified.
And the same CAIB report got to the conclusion that area of damage was rather small.
Problem is not that they didn't take pictures. Problem is that they knew about foam/ice before and didn't do anything about it for years. Columbia couldn't be saved anyway. Pictures or not.
Rescue mission wasn't possible as there was no other shuttle ready to launch. And there was no way Columbia could dock to the space station. So even if they could determine that damage was critical, they couldn't do anything anyway.
Real problem is that they knew it can happen. But they ignored it.
Funny thing is they thought about every thing. Triple redundancy on all systems. There was not a single failure in any most complex systems throughout the history of the shuttle flights. And yet couple of pieces of plastic caused both disasters.
@crackaddict444 I think you are talking about CAIB reccomendations for future missions. In case of Columbia no repair or rescue was possible. Besides the fact that NASA didn't even think that something went wrong.
@syeager9 No, CAIB determined that had NASA been proactive about it, something could've been done. In the CAIB report, they talk about a repair techniqued that would've been possible, along with a rescue mission using Atlantis, which was already mated to an ET and ready to launch in March of that year. They determined that NASA could've expedited the processing of Atlantis to be used as a rescue shuttle.
@crackaddict444 It's pointless argument. There is a BIG IF here. People at NASA didn't even think that something like this could happen. They even denied the fact that foam strike could cause the catastrophic failure till the last moment untill the chicken shooter test proved them wrong. But the reality is that NASA didn't have any contengency plans. Columbia didn't have any means of inspection the damage, not talking about the rapairs. Atlantis was weeks away from being ready for launch.
@syeager9 The CAIB determined that if NASA had not shrugged off the foam damage, they could've had the astronauts do an emergency EVA to asses the damage and potentially repair it. They also determined that Atlantis' processing could've been sped up and that Columbia could remain in orbit for up to a month.
No, right after Columbia accident I started collecting all t he information related to the investigation.. Including videos from NASA and other sources. So I noticed this video is missing on uTube.
No shuttle deserved more to be in a museum than Columbia. :(
greenseaships 6 months ago
When is the foam strike? I don't see it in the video. RIP STS-107
CubesForAKid 6 months ago
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Robert9640 6 months ago
@CubesForAKid It occurs 82 seconds after liftoff, even though you can't see it as it happens.
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Discovery is named aftr my town's ship!
Columbia is my 2nd favrouite shuttle!
PremierChannel1999 7 months ago
Columbia was my favorite space shuttle. The 1st, the one who paved the way for Challenger (may she and her crew rest in peace), Discovery, Atlantis, and last but not least, the baby of the space shuttles, Endeavour. I hope Columbia and her astronauts are in a better place now with Challenger and her crew as well. I remember when i got up excited early in the morning to watch Columbia's reentry live, just to watch the death of these 7 astronauts and Columbia. I cried my eyes out for days,
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well if we had a time machine we could go back to January 16 2003 and tear off the part that came off of the ET(External tank)and when comes into re-entry it will land safely land and retire in 2012
BeatDrumSticks 8 months ago
well if we had a time machine we could go back to January 16 and tear off the part that came off of the ET(External tank)and when comes into re-entry it will land safely land and retire in 2012
BeatDrumSticks 8 months ago
And rest in peace to the crew. I don't think there is a coverup, but man do i wish budgets were a little more diversified..a man I knew who worked for the NSA told me that there is a military-grade spaces shuttle.. is it really time for space-wars? i mean, it is just a damn shame that politics is not as committed as the men and women who died during the re-entry
Staplesz 1 year ago
NICE vid, clear and full with no cuts or voice-overs.. thanks ^^
Staplesz 1 year ago
81 seconds into the launch, the foam striked the left wing. Thats means on 1:56, the foam strike occurred.
davidjl1234 1 year ago
I've said this before but it's pretty important anyway: most of the deaths now (Apollo 1 doesn't really count) have been because NASA hasn't taken the problems seriously. That happened with Challenger in 1986 and then Columbia in 2003. These problems could have been prevented.
youvebeenthunderstru 2 years ago
The foam strike occurred (although not visible on NASA TV video) at 2:08
EndeavourLaunch 2 years ago
I know you cant see it but at what point in this video does the damage actually take place?
How far into the launch?
Dino4204 2 years ago
On this video my guess would be between 1:30 & 2:00.
mach25man 2 years ago
Actual hit was shown on TV. It was filmed with a long rage camera and was kinda fuzzy. But you could see a piece of something striking the wing. If it was foam, the estimated speed on impact was about 700 km/hr. It was first calculated by independent researchers and later confirmed by CIAB. However NASA officials kept denying that this could cause any significant damage. Like they never heard about the formula for kinetic energy.
syeager9 2 years ago
@syeager9 how can it be that fast? Can't the shuttle only accelerate 3gs?
austinjb555 1 year ago
You can't - the foam strike is not visible from NASA TV coverage, rather from long-range tracking film cameras attached to powerful telescopes. These were routinely recorded prior to onboard video, in order to assess the inevitable foam and ice shedding experienced during launch. That is why the refusal of Dittemore, Cain, and Ham to allow remote imaging while on orbit is a criminally negligent act - this was basic physics they ignored, or simply did not understand. "Never forget" THOSE three.
antimatterXXXIII 2 years ago
Nasa still uses long range cameras and 150 other cameras during launch. I think their just more careful what they show live now. Also new powerful radars were set up to track debris during launch that can track maybe foam pieces as small as a racket ball.
mach25man 2 years ago
I don't think any telescope could provide enough resolution to see the damage. Mainly due to atmospheric distortions. And also I wander if there is a telescope at all that can track fast moving object like space shuttle.
syeager9 2 years ago
Well according to the CAIB reports, people who know (classified info) stated that it was not only possible, it was rather easy to see the damage on Columbia's wing while on orbit.
antimatterXXXIII 2 years ago
You know, I don't trust to the sources that say something on condition of anonymity or "classified". We all know they keep the invaders from outer space and their space ships in Area 51. But it's classified.
And the same CAIB report got to the conclusion that area of damage was rather small.
Problem is not that they didn't take pictures. Problem is that they knew about foam/ice before and didn't do anything about it for years. Columbia couldn't be saved anyway. Pictures or not.
syeager9 2 years ago
:) A rescue mission would have bought NASA a lot more than a dead obsolete orbiter.
antimatterXXXIII 2 years ago
Rescue mission wasn't possible as there was no other shuttle ready to launch. And there was no way Columbia could dock to the space station. So even if they could determine that damage was critical, they couldn't do anything anyway.
Real problem is that they knew it can happen. But they ignored it.
syeager9 2 years ago
Funny thing is they thought about every thing. Triple redundancy on all systems. There was not a single failure in any most complex systems throughout the history of the shuttle flights. And yet couple of pieces of plastic caused both disasters.
syeager9 2 years ago
@syeager9 You've never read the CAIB report then, have you? Because you would've learned repair options and a rescue mission were possible.
crackaddict444 1 year ago
@crackaddict444 I think you are talking about CAIB reccomendations for future missions. In case of Columbia no repair or rescue was possible. Besides the fact that NASA didn't even think that something went wrong.
syeager9 1 year ago
@syeager9 No, CAIB determined that had NASA been proactive about it, something could've been done. In the CAIB report, they talk about a repair techniqued that would've been possible, along with a rescue mission using Atlantis, which was already mated to an ET and ready to launch in March of that year. They determined that NASA could've expedited the processing of Atlantis to be used as a rescue shuttle.
crackaddict444 1 year ago
@crackaddict444 It's pointless argument. There is a BIG IF here. People at NASA didn't even think that something like this could happen. They even denied the fact that foam strike could cause the catastrophic failure till the last moment untill the chicken shooter test proved them wrong. But the reality is that NASA didn't have any contengency plans. Columbia didn't have any means of inspection the damage, not talking about the rapairs. Atlantis was weeks away from being ready for launch.
syeager9 1 year ago
@syeager9 The CAIB determined that if NASA had not shrugged off the foam damage, they could've had the astronauts do an emergency EVA to asses the damage and potentially repair it. They also determined that Atlantis' processing could've been sped up and that Columbia could remain in orbit for up to a month.
crackaddict444 1 year ago
No, right after Columbia accident I started collecting all t he information related to the investigation.. Including videos from NASA and other sources. So I noticed this video is missing on uTube.
syeager9 2 years ago
Have you made this video? as in were you there?
monish9286 2 years ago