@doctorwho415 What better colors for anyone to wear if they're to be hiding & fighting in the woods, whether they be the forests of Sherwood or those of Ithilien? But yeah, those were the colors that described the rangers of Itilien's clothing in the books. I rather imagined them to look somewhat like Robin Hood's band - just a lot taller, more mysterious and less merry, heh.
kerranz, while what you say is true, it doesn't mean that girls are any less reasonable than guys. And there are perfectly reasonable Xians, such as myself who take offense to such a prejudiced statement. btw, both of you, please, if you want to have an argument about costume colors take it somewhere else, instead of having a comment war that just annoys everyone else, and insults a whole bunch of ppl that don't have anything to do with your fight.
The amount of work that must have gone into designing the costumes of LOTR is amazing. I have always thought that, because movies are merely an interpretation of books, and open to artistic licence, that books are better. However, I must say that the LOTR movies did a great job of capturing the overall ambience of Tolkein's world.
Of course anyone who loves the books had to rankle at both this outfit (it's described as being ALL green) and the strange choice to make Bor and Far sandy-haired, they should be raven-haired with blue eyes (the Brits say grey), which seemed a very odd change. I mean that's a basic trait of genetic Numenoreans.
And they should both be tall, and Wenham ain't, check it out in Van Helsing sometime. Costumer's choice of jamming Red into all the royalty's outfits was a mistake too. Irritating.
I'd honestly rather see a good actor who's able to portray the personality and essence of a character more then one who just matched the physical attributes of the character in the book.
Also, I'm not sure why someone would be upset about the outfit not being all green. Really? The brown is bad?
The point is that the costumer changed basic parts of the story, to handhold the ignorant, at the cost of longtime fans of the story. The Ithilien Rangers are supposed to be super-camouflaged Forest troops and she's got a big silver tree on his chest. It's stupid. ROTK is worst for that. I mean why turn Denethor into a Shakespearean buffoon mourning Boromir, when he was really being deceived by Sauron thru one of the Palantirs? Tolkein would've hated that. What you'd rather see is irrelevant
Yeah but see your making two different arguments here. I can understand the problems with characterization and plot being fiddled around with for the movie. The story and the characters is what made LOTR loved by all of us. I just don't understand the issue with hair and costume colour.
And, I'm sorry, but you don't speak with JRR Tolkien thus you cant speak for him. Your opinion is no more relevant then mine; it's merely the opinion of one individual.
And it's clear that you don't understand. Got that the first time.
You accepted these changes, I didn't .
I've been reading the books since fifteen years before you were born. You should try it yourself one day, maybe you'll get it.
The hair 'issue' ties Aragorn to Gondor, and further back to Numenor. Faramir and Boromir were effectively related to him. The costuming, I've covered. There was no reason to alter the facts of the tale. Let it go.
See now getting all juvenile is not necessary. You know nothing about me yet you presume you know facts just to create a false sense of sureness in your own mind. I have, in fact, read LOTR many times now and I share my love of the books with a group who appreciates it like I do: for it's essence.
If the minor facts bother you so much, then shouldn't the more obvious changes to the story make you despise the movie? Eg. Faramir being tempted by the Ring.
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If I seem to be talking down to you it's because you seem somewhat slow on the uptake. What part of "f*ck off" is confusing you? I didn't comment to get in a sniping contest.
There are a large number of things Peter Jackson and his crew did that were stupid, presumptuous and irritating. End of story. You're simply trying to elevate your position
by touting your ability to look past these things.
Why are you so angry? Just because someone disagrees with you on something, doesn't mean you have to get agitated and swear at them. I haven't insulted you at all, just shared my own opinion. You proceeded to insult me.
But then I guess I shouldn't expect anything different on youtube. There's no room for discussion when childish insults can be made.
Because I've explained my position three times now, and you've actually stated that I have a right to resent the strange choices of the Director (just not the ones that don't bother YOU), and you still will not let it drop. It's like reasoning with a five-year old, or a Christian, or a girl.
Congratulations on your accepting nature. Good on you. Now please go away.
There reason I'm persistent is because, the the grand scheme of things, the stuff in the movies that bothers you so much is so trivial to the point of actually being silly. It'd be like going into a war zone and complaining about the grass being ruined. Really? That's your problem?
Understanding that women (and girls specifically) argue on emotion rather than logic, and that Xians
require no sense whatsoever, is a matter of experience, not prejudice. Brain scans confirm that females think in a different pattern. Your comments so far would suggest that you fall into both groups. Your resentment of my hitting close to home confirms that. My comment was specific to this video, and limited by YT's character limit.
I wasn't commenting on the Grand Scheme of Things. Moron.
Then you know less then you'd think because you are wrong on both counts. Ouch.
Also, I'd hold the judgments if I were you since you were the once reacting on emotion, ie. telling me to fuck off, calling me a moron etc. That kind of stuff usually falls into the anger category. But then, I'd be pretty mad too if I were a 50 year old complaining about costume colours on youtube.
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as opposed to a 25 year old reacting poorly to them? Nobody picks when they're born, junior. And if nobody kills you for for your being a pest you'll get there one day too. I asked you to let it go nicely before resorting to invective.
Sorry if I misread you, you do argue like a chick and hide behind a false piety. My bad. (Maybe having Stupid in your user name colors others' views) You started this deal by imputing that my views were picayune. Blame yourself , everyone else will.
Actually in the book, Denethor's mourning of Boromir is a major part of his character. He might have been testing his will against Sauron for many years but it is the death of Boromir that actually breaks him.
As for the costume, it works. It works incredibly well. The tree is faded, easily covered by the cloak and the regular browns are because it is using LEATHER, which makes the costume much more practical.
And before you bring book-reading into this, Ive been a fan of the it since I was 8
Really late reply but David Wenham is 6'. Fair enough Sean is small at 5'10 but they look tall in the movie so the little things shouldn't matter and picking at little faults is just silly.
@kerranz It's true, it does call him the tall man in green, but at the same time it says about those rangers that, "all had swords at their sides, and were clad in green and brown of varied hues, as if the better to walk unseen in the glades of Ithilien." I have to admit, I did picture Faramir's outfit as being ALL green, but I suppose there's room for interpretation (ex: mostly green, but with brown in there as well). Personally I think green compliments Wenham better than brown, but oh well.
Chrissy, There are two sorts, the Rangers of Ithilien (a Gondorian division originally operating from Minas Ithil, keeping Mordorians IN, and now prowling to harass and monitor approaching armies) and the 'Rangers' of the North, so-called by the men of the area around Bree-Town, who are the remnants of the Dunedain, protecting what remained of the lost realm of Arnor.
Same basic functions militarily, and technically allied, though separated by twenty-five generations at the time of the Quest.
i really envy the costume and equipment designers of this movie and the brilliant job they did of giving each race and individual there own signiture themes and styles ... in fact in one art course and GCSE i decided to make my final project a redesigned gollum (ended up looking very like "the thing from black lagoon")
I love how much Sean and David look alike, they totally ARE Boromir and Faramir(the two best characters ;) ). Not to mention they both played their parts perfectly...
David is one hell of a handsome man and plus he has a funny, amazing personality which is a big plus! Faramir is one of my favourite characters too. :)
@HopeUnquenchable Well if we get serious, I wouldn't say Boromir demands love. Actually he doesn't understand this whole "love" thing at all and concentrates on more "real and important" stuff like doing his duty. Of course, he loves quite a many things very passionately: his country, his father, his brother, the idea of knighthood and the ways of warrior... but he doesn't think about it like that or deal with his emotions.
He is sexy <3
13Dani88 1 month ago
Could someone please say me what song is playing in the background?
It sounds wonderful!
jackack222 1 month ago
@jackack222
Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King
Track 05: The Steward of Gondor ;)
RLion225 1 month ago
David Wenham is ridiculously underrated
flash3999 2 months ago
"To please his hideous father" YOU GO FASHION DESIGNER! XD
mizzfreakster96 4 months ago 4
Faramir=The Voice from Deadliest Warrior.
TheShockninja 5 months ago
I wonder if they sell these anywhere?? I would definitely buy one!
Xiacro 7 months ago
"...this terrible desire to please this hideous father" - made me LOL - but yeah, he *is* hideous as portrayed in the film. :P
HopeUnquenchable 7 months ago
one of the many reasons I love Lord of the Rings, sexy men with long hair mmm Boromir and Faramir *drools a little*
lizvandort666 11 months ago 3
They did an amazing job making the costumes.
cXcarolayXc 1 year ago
david should have long hair like in the movie to date:)
darsus19 1 year ago 6
I think Faramir and Arwen would fit together better. Just like Aragorn and Eowyn.
Serenissima84 2 years ago
does this costume remind anyone else of robin hood? thats what i think of when i see it... probably just because its green and brown lol.
doctorwho415 2 years ago
@doctorwho415 ^.^ I did think that the first time I seen it. Well, he is a robin hood in my eyes.
cXcarolayXc 1 year ago
@doctorwho415 What better colors for anyone to wear if they're to be hiding & fighting in the woods, whether they be the forests of Sherwood or those of Ithilien? But yeah, those were the colors that described the rangers of Itilien's clothing in the books. I rather imagined them to look somewhat like Robin Hood's band - just a lot taller, more mysterious and less merry, heh.
HopeUnquenchable 7 months ago
i love faramir. denethor is a bit of a bastard.
MagnoliaLoveBagel 2 years ago 12
*dreamysigh*
I love David Wenham.
VickixLee 2 years ago 7
kerranz, while what you say is true, it doesn't mean that girls are any less reasonable than guys. And there are perfectly reasonable Xians, such as myself who take offense to such a prejudiced statement. btw, both of you, please, if you want to have an argument about costume colors take it somewhere else, instead of having a comment war that just annoys everyone else, and insults a whole bunch of ppl that don't have anything to do with your fight.
peacecanhappen27 2 years ago 9
The amount of work that must have gone into designing the costumes of LOTR is amazing. I have always thought that, because movies are merely an interpretation of books, and open to artistic licence, that books are better. However, I must say that the LOTR movies did a great job of capturing the overall ambience of Tolkein's world.
literaturechick12 2 years ago 60
I totally agree, they tried to make the movie as close as possible to the book.
Adobewizards 2 years ago 3
Of course anyone who loves the books had to rankle at both this outfit (it's described as being ALL green) and the strange choice to make Bor and Far sandy-haired, they should be raven-haired with blue eyes (the Brits say grey), which seemed a very odd change. I mean that's a basic trait of genetic Numenoreans.
And they should both be tall, and Wenham ain't, check it out in Van Helsing sometime. Costumer's choice of jamming Red into all the royalty's outfits was a mistake too. Irritating.
kerranz 2 years ago
I'd honestly rather see a good actor who's able to portray the personality and essence of a character more then one who just matched the physical attributes of the character in the book.
Also, I'm not sure why someone would be upset about the outfit not being all green. Really? The brown is bad?
stupidusername84 2 years ago
The point is that the costumer changed basic parts of the story, to handhold the ignorant, at the cost of longtime fans of the story. The Ithilien Rangers are supposed to be super-camouflaged Forest troops and she's got a big silver tree on his chest. It's stupid. ROTK is worst for that. I mean why turn Denethor into a Shakespearean buffoon mourning Boromir, when he was really being deceived by Sauron thru one of the Palantirs? Tolkein would've hated that. What you'd rather see is irrelevant
kerranz 2 years ago
Yeah but see your making two different arguments here. I can understand the problems with characterization and plot being fiddled around with for the movie. The story and the characters is what made LOTR loved by all of us. I just don't understand the issue with hair and costume colour.
And, I'm sorry, but you don't speak with JRR Tolkien thus you cant speak for him. Your opinion is no more relevant then mine; it's merely the opinion of one individual.
stupidusername84 2 years ago
I appreciate that you liked the movie.
And it's clear that you don't understand. Got that the first time.
You accepted these changes, I didn't .
I've been reading the books since fifteen years before you were born. You should try it yourself one day, maybe you'll get it.
The hair 'issue' ties Aragorn to Gondor, and further back to Numenor. Faramir and Boromir were effectively related to him. The costuming, I've covered. There was no reason to alter the facts of the tale. Let it go.
kerranz 2 years ago
See now getting all juvenile is not necessary. You know nothing about me yet you presume you know facts just to create a false sense of sureness in your own mind. I have, in fact, read LOTR many times now and I share my love of the books with a group who appreciates it like I do: for it's essence.
If the minor facts bother you so much, then shouldn't the more obvious changes to the story make you despise the movie? Eg. Faramir being tempted by the Ring.
stupidusername84 2 years ago 4
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If I seem to be talking down to you it's because you seem somewhat slow on the uptake. What part of "f*ck off" is confusing you? I didn't comment to get in a sniping contest.
There are a large number of things Peter Jackson and his crew did that were stupid, presumptuous and irritating. End of story. You're simply trying to elevate your position
by touting your ability to look past these things.
I DON"T CARE how you feel about them.
Nor do I 'despise' the movies, your words.
Go away.
kerranz 2 years ago
Why are you so angry? Just because someone disagrees with you on something, doesn't mean you have to get agitated and swear at them. I haven't insulted you at all, just shared my own opinion. You proceeded to insult me.
But then I guess I shouldn't expect anything different on youtube. There's no room for discussion when childish insults can be made.
stupidusername84 2 years ago 4
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Because I've explained my position three times now, and you've actually stated that I have a right to resent the strange choices of the Director (just not the ones that don't bother YOU), and you still will not let it drop. It's like reasoning with a five-year old, or a Christian, or a girl.
Congratulations on your accepting nature. Good on you. Now please go away.
kerranz 2 years ago
Well aren't you just a little ball of bigotry.
There reason I'm persistent is because, the the grand scheme of things, the stuff in the movies that bothers you so much is so trivial to the point of actually being silly. It'd be like going into a war zone and complaining about the grass being ruined. Really? That's your problem?
stupidusername84 2 years ago 5
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Understanding that women (and girls specifically) argue on emotion rather than logic, and that Xians
require no sense whatsoever, is a matter of experience, not prejudice. Brain scans confirm that females think in a different pattern. Your comments so far would suggest that you fall into both groups. Your resentment of my hitting close to home confirms that. My comment was specific to this video, and limited by YT's character limit.
I wasn't commenting on the Grand Scheme of Things. Moron.
kerranz 2 years ago
Then you know less then you'd think because you are wrong on both counts. Ouch.
Also, I'd hold the judgments if I were you since you were the once reacting on emotion, ie. telling me to fuck off, calling me a moron etc. That kind of stuff usually falls into the anger category. But then, I'd be pretty mad too if I were a 50 year old complaining about costume colours on youtube.
So sad.
stupidusername84 2 years ago
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as opposed to a 25 year old reacting poorly to them? Nobody picks when they're born, junior. And if nobody kills you for for your being a pest you'll get there one day too. I asked you to let it go nicely before resorting to invective.
Sorry if I misread you, you do argue like a chick and hide behind a false piety. My bad. (Maybe having Stupid in your user name colors others' views) You started this deal by imputing that my views were picayune. Blame yourself , everyone else will.
kerranz 2 years ago
Actually in the book, Denethor's mourning of Boromir is a major part of his character. He might have been testing his will against Sauron for many years but it is the death of Boromir that actually breaks him.
As for the costume, it works. It works incredibly well. The tree is faded, easily covered by the cloak and the regular browns are because it is using LEATHER, which makes the costume much more practical.
And before you bring book-reading into this, Ive been a fan of the it since I was 8
TheBiggestBiscuit 2 years ago
Really late reply but David Wenham is 6'. Fair enough Sean is small at 5'10 but they look tall in the movie so the little things shouldn't matter and picking at little faults is just silly.
LOTRFanFromScotland 2 years ago
Shut up. I can find fault with their decisions if I want to, I've put in my time. Stupidusername is an idiot.
kerranz 2 years ago
"Shut up" I wasn't aware I was talking... Arse.
LOTRFanFromScotland 2 years ago
@kerranz It's true, it does call him the tall man in green, but at the same time it says about those rangers that, "all had swords at their sides, and were clad in green and brown of varied hues, as if the better to walk unseen in the glades of Ithilien." I have to admit, I did picture Faramir's outfit as being ALL green, but I suppose there's room for interpretation (ex: mostly green, but with brown in there as well). Personally I think green compliments Wenham better than brown, but oh well.
HopeUnquenchable 7 months ago
Chrissy, There are two sorts, the Rangers of Ithilien (a Gondorian division originally operating from Minas Ithil, keeping Mordorians IN, and now prowling to harass and monitor approaching armies) and the 'Rangers' of the North, so-called by the men of the area around Bree-Town, who are the remnants of the Dunedain, protecting what remained of the lost realm of Arnor.
Same basic functions militarily, and technically allied, though separated by twenty-five generations at the time of the Quest.
kerranz 2 years ago
umm...he wasnt a Ranger. i thought that Rangers were the Dunedain....or am i mistaken? im pretty sure that he wasnt...
chrissyluvhorsey 2 years ago
He was so hot here. Especially in this costume. Raised his hottness, it did. Like Viggo's.
Calucifer13 2 years ago
i really envy the costume and equipment designers of this movie and the brilliant job they did of giving each race and individual there own signiture themes and styles ... in fact in one art course and GCSE i decided to make my final project a redesigned gollum (ended up looking very like "the thing from black lagoon")
Valen123456 2 years ago
Faramir's costume was definitely my favorite
PMW3 2 years ago
David Wenham is a very attractive man :3
Yay Faramir <3
peasouplaura 2 years ago 54
David is SEXY!!!!
LuthienofOssiriand 2 years ago 10
I love how much Sean and David look alike, they totally ARE Boromir and Faramir(the two best characters ;) ). Not to mention they both played their parts perfectly...
poundingonthedoor 2 years ago 8
David is one hell of a handsome man and plus he has a funny, amazing personality which is a big plus! Faramir is one of my favourite characters too. :)
LOTRFanFromScotland 2 years ago 12
the mir's (faramir and boromir)actors look alike
AkaviriDragonlord 2 years ago 2
they are brothers in the movie and novel...so how is that strange?
LordTyrannus 2 years ago
LOL
"Through-through-through the forests of ithlien or whatever"
XD
ahgreg 2 years ago 55
Haha I know..
Baronessa 2 years ago
I thought he looked like Robin Hood ^^
whoknowsonlytime 3 years ago
"or whatever..." Very Aussie..
RiaMoriais 3 years ago 3
hell yeah! yew go aussie
DC13K 3 years ago
Boromir & Faramir demand and deserve more love. ^^
Feanorielle 3 years ago 2
@Feanorielle Boromir demands more love; Faramir hopes for more love, but rather than demanding it, he gives it. They both deserve it, though. ; )
HopeUnquenchable 7 months ago
@HopeUnquenchable Well if we get serious, I wouldn't say Boromir demands love. Actually he doesn't understand this whole "love" thing at all and concentrates on more "real and important" stuff like doing his duty. Of course, he loves quite a many things very passionately: his country, his father, his brother, the idea of knighthood and the ways of warrior... but he doesn't think about it like that or deal with his emotions.
Feanorielle 7 months ago
where did you get these apendix dvd s ?
zskar 3 years ago
<3 <3 I love gondor brothers
namiq8 3 years ago 11
Gondor brothers!!!! great idea of the way to call themXDDDDD yay! I love Gondor brothers too!!!!!
Barbiculatum 3 years ago 3
brilliant!! :)
padfootrocksmysocks 2 years ago 2
oh me gosh SEAN and DAVID tere on FIRE and it true faramir is enuine
-faramir
BoromirNFaramir 4 years ago 2
<3 Sean and David
OhjeesAndBlossyxD 4 years ago 8
LOL, true. Daisy Wenham is the man.
Baronessa 4 years ago 12
David Wenham should have been Watson in the new Sherlock Holmes.
smoky90210 3 years ago
@Baronessa She's the woman!
emcee2456 1 year ago
Mmm. I love Faramir&Boromir!
"... a ranger through the forest of Ithilien or whatever..."
ahahhaa. doesnt even know his own character that well.
i still love him. :]
-michelle
Nabeeya 4 years ago 9