I don't mind religions too much if the religious admit they are arbitrarily choosing one religion with no proof for absolutely no real reason and don't actually follow their religion. If they follow something like the bible, they need the death penalty for all the murder and assaults they commit.
Also, religion is used to support specism- such as saying god said we are above all other living being or that animals have no souls.
People should really stop arguing about this so much. I mean you can believe whatever you want, but do so quietly. And something i have to say to you atheists: I respect your beliefs, but you push religion too. If in your mind, someone who believes in god is insane for doing so, why must you try to refute that god if it makes them happy to have a belief. I just don't understand it...
@XscorgedwoundX "In your mind, someone who blieves in god is insane for doing so"
No. I don't believe that. I feel believing in something you have no reason to believe in is IRRATIONAL, but that's it.
Some people feel they do have a good reason to believe in god, through personal anecdotes, feeling liek they've 'spoken to god' and whatnot, and that's fine.
The problem is their 'happy belief' tends to make us unhappy, because they REGULARLY hate us, for not sharing their belief.
@BigLundi It's sad that some religious people hate other for not sharing a belief but in my experiences, they usually just hope for you to change. So far i haven't met a religious person who actually hated people for being non religious.
@XscorgedwoundX No, not even that. I've met plenty of religious people who don't 'hate' me for being nonreligious. But the fact of the matter is, religion, and the tenets of the most popular religions, are used to dictate laws aroudn the world. Atheists are painted as the 'least trusted minority' in the united states, even after 9/11, I live in one of several states that have laws barring atheists from running for public office. This is about more than just hate.
you take the time to read these books that mean sosmehting tot these groups of people you mentioned, but somehow like children's folklore to tell children these epeople are crazy and that their ways are laughable but we have to hear " Guess what? i got fucked over and over again until my heart beated! I'm woman/ man of the world! ( meaning you know all about it) sarcastic. hurray then why do agnosists complain then? you 're something else!
I think it is close minded to be atheist. Most atheist I have met seem to be a bunch of assholes trying to fit in with the rest of the assholes. Wiccans are not afraid to tell you off your a disgrace and have no respect for yourselves or anyone else.
@guitar4art I have found the contrary to be true. I find that the college halls are littered with smart, educated, social, helpful - atheists. From the professors to the students. Perhaps you should meet more people from different locations. My observations have been very different from yours. Moreover, I do not consider myself closed minded since I was once very religious and held on to it for some time. We simply are not as open minded to myths being real.
@guitar4art its close minded to be atheist? do you have any idea why believers become atheists? because they take time to think outside of the never ending circle of unanswerable questions that religion traps you in. Christianity for example makes claims that science has now refuted(i.e. the age of the earth) so since we have taken into account religious claims, then looked at the facts, THEN made our conclusion while theists cover their ears, how are WE being close minded?
@guitar4art Assholes are those who believe in something.All this believeness has accured to war.Religion is made for war,it's not made for peace.That's why it's better to not believe in anything.You should accept atheist peoples that they dont want to believe in God.
@Dan90iel1 My next few comments will defend against this video! Due to restriction of comment text, I cannot defend against everything. Have any questions? PM me. Keep in mind that i respect both atheists and religious people. I accept that some doctor in is flawed. Please respond back to me with respect, as i have show you respect.
@DjBlaqkHat I can accept religious people,but as i have seen in the coming years like islam it's big problem because they cant live with people who're not muslims.There you got a answer why religion makes war.
I wonder how many religious people are honestly just trying to enjoy a comfortable delusion. Unfortunately this comfortable delusion is a massive detriment to society in humanity, even if you only account for how it gives power to extremists and fundamentalists.
Why do I care about atheism: because when they get power, people die by the millions. Atheists that have power has been murdering people since the French Revolution and it got progressively worse when they took over the Soviet Union.
8. (continued) For example, if Turks slaughtered millions of Armenians in 1915, does that mean all Turks of today are evil mongrels? No. Should they acknowledge the wrong doing of the past? Yes. That's why I'm a Christian who acknowledge the Crusades were bad.
8. You're the only one discriminating other people. Seriously, what's your definition of persecution? Because some people may not like you? Well shame on them. It's not right to judge people without knowing them, just because they disagree with you. Still, Christians were persecuted throughout history by Romans, Jews, Muslims, atheists, and have also persecuted other groups. All creeds and races have hunted others in the past. That does not mean you can say everyone of a particular group is evil
7. Well the area you live in affects your political decisions as well as your wealth, sexuality, ethnicity, should we discourage people from having any differences and redistribute all wealth and resources until the whole world is a spread of surburban houses and like-minded people? So what if people think differently than you! Freedom of speech and thought. And believing in God is only delusional to you. Maybe you're the real delusional ones? But I will tell you to give up your beliefs.
Voltaire said, "If you can get people to believe obsurdities, then you can get them to commit atrocities." The bible contains many obsurdities: living inside a fish for 3 days; a tower that can reach the heavens (skyscrapers=god fail); giants; demons & angels; sampson with his superstrength and magical hair; talking snakes; getting every type of animal on a boat; criss angel type magic tricks - walking on water and turning water to wine (not really impressive); etc.
6. Uh, I was taught to only have something nice to say or don't say anything at all. It's common courtesy. And Christ is about turnign the other cheek. Maybe instead of sending condoms, we could send medicine? Food? Something that actually satisfies more basic needs? And Christianity is targeted all the time. Think Family Guy, jokes, most aspects of media.
Respect people - not beliefs. Ideas are to be challenged. This is how we determine fact from fiction. Sometimes ridiculing or showing the obsurdity of a belief is the best means to correcting a person's perception of reality. Should we have only said nice things about nazi propaganda?
Turning the other cheek is stupid. No one really believes it. If we really believed it we wouldn't need armies. Some people, like sadam hussein, need to be stopped with violence.
5. Actually, Christianity creates "be the best person you can be" mentality. Denominations are annoying because organized religion gets in the way of faith--but most Christians are moderate loving people. And I have friends who are Jew, Muslim, even atheist. It doesn't matter what you believe as long as our personalities mesh. And communism has done great damage, and it is usually run by atheists. Joseph Stalin anyone? But it's not that atheists are evil--just an example that not all are great.
If you look at jail statistics Christians represent the same percentage of the jail population as the general population. Atheists, however, represent a much smaller percent of the jail population then their percentage in the general population. Christian divorce rates are no different then any other group. Christians have had their fair share of monsters in their midst. God is the ultimate genocidal, mass-murdering maniac. Read the bible.
Adolf Hitler was a catholic. He was supported by the catholic church. He mentioned God in numerous writings and speeches. He also was involved in the occult. He was NOT an atheist. Even if he was an atheist, atheists have no book or sacred writing and no shared set of beliefs - atheism is the absence of a belief. Most atheists spoke out against hitler.
3. Einstein was a diest, Gregor Mendel was a Christian monk, I'm going into the medical field and I believe in the Big Bang and evolution--do you need any more proof against your claims?
4. Religion teaches us to be moral, love God, and help fellow man. It deals with questions of the afterlife and morality. That's all. I always seek better understanding of the world because I am naturally curious, and I do what the Bible advises by using my talents to be the best I can be (using my mind).
2. Christianity comes for all nations and peoples, no matter what color, gender. Females are not supposed to wear male clothes and vice versa, so it's not too restricting.
3. Being gay is fine. Acting upon those impulses is not as it is lustful. Intercourse is for procreation, not recreation. For straight people, thinking about it is lustful and also wrong, as well as premarital relations. Basically sex should only be done to create a family.
what an egoistic reasons you have, if you dont believe in god then who create your mother and your mother's mother, and the mother of your mother's mother, just like the sun you believe it exist because of heat and the light but who saw it, nobody right everything is just an idea, just like God you don't see Him but you can feel His presence especially in times of anxiety, God bless you bro"!
Oh I can answer those questions. My mother's parents had sex, hence my mother.
My mother's mother's parents had sex; hence my mother's mother. Nobody feels god or such a presence...Some only feel they do. Those were the easiest questions that I've ever answered. Sexual education is an important unit in primary and secondary schools.
Of course, there's always the I dream of genie approach where they just blink into existence.
I watched 42 seconds. Let me guess. You care about religion because religion has been responsible for all wars, and atheism will bring about civility and happiness. How'm I doing?
Attention Atheists..We are something right now right bec,there is somehing WE EXIST,U eat U use computers,UTUBEetc,,,What if I question you since You deny creation,,,What is BELOW NOTHING...ANSWER IS NOTHING OR NOTHINGNESS right..therefore we never exist,,a british atheist so mad to me,using very bad words,pissed off..he never reply,this is atheist belief no creator,no GOD..but there is Creator,there is GOD.thats why I typing this message,bec I exist. PEACE
I think it should be obvious to religious people who it's important to us atheists but sadly it isn't. If a group of people believe in the tooth fairy but their beliefs don't control their life or affect how they treat others, nobody cares. If those people start trying to pass laws based on what they think the tooth fairy wants, and discriminate based on how they think the tooth fairy would want them to... Yeah, there's a problem there. And I would say a lot of religious people are like that.
In response to Reason 2 Example 1, Christians are against homosexuality for the reason you stated, BUT ALSO for the reason that it is the main contributor to AIDS. That is why God thinks it is an abomination, because it destroys humans.
God commanded Adam and Eve to "be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth" This cannot be accomplished by homosexuality, as a result of homosexuality: a multitude of diseases. These diseases cannot be stopped by killing more humans. The simple alternative is to NOT do homosexuality or disobey God in any way. Then, the diseases would disappear. So, in answer to your question, No, God would not be in favor of stem-cell research.
I'm not sure why you were still talking about homosexuality but ok whatever.
I just want to clarify though, you are against stem-cell research because it could kill people because God would send more disease to punish people for doing stem cell research? I think I've just misunderstood because that doesn't make any sense.
Anyway, why do animals get the same diseases we do? Why are people born with diseases when they have themselves had no opportunity to sin?
No, I'm against stem-cell research not because I fear God's punishment on those who do it, but I am against it because it is not Biblical. It is not Biblical because God says that it is not right to take a life for the cause of research, no matter what the research may accomplish. People are born with diseases because of sin. All humans are sinful, it is their nature. No one is born innocent, or without sin. We are NOT sinners because we sin, rather, we sin because we are sinners!
@firthio2 Adam and Eve's punishment was on them and their offspring. Kinda like if my dad dies and leaves a huge debt behind, it's my responsibility by law to handle it.
@MASTERMIKEEE Ok what you did made you contradict your argument. By saying you are implying that the only ones who Get AIDS are gays. But yet there are those who are in heterosexual and have sex and one of them might AIDS and give the other one AIDS but this was no an act of homosexuality
@westeastxybzd Actually, I did not contradict myself. I made the assumption that many gays get AIDS. I did not imply that ONLY gays induce AIDS. In poor countries where the correct medical care can't be distributed, AIDS may appear in heterosexual acts. However, I did say this "that it (homosexuality) is the main contributor to AIDS." Studies show that homosexuality is a much bigger contributer to AIDS than heterosexuality. Heterosexuality is ONLY a contributer where there is no medical care.
Nice but a little dull. I would have also included some stuff about how the Catholic church works to cover it up whenever they know some of their priests are raping children.
"Hey, they confessed, we gave absolution, that's the end of it!"
Comparatively recently this was discovered again in Southern, free (Catholic) Ireland; priests abusing children in their care in care homes. How many more times have they got away with it, that we don't know about yet?
I think its typical of the catholic and or christian faith to do shit like this. They have done it in the past and it isn't going to stop. If they really believe in what they are doing is right then how can anyone really think that what they worship is the all-peaceful, all-forgiving, all-loving god. They just love the thought of genocide imo.
Okay, I've got a question. Have you heard of blogging? It's great. You don't have to edit your text into a video format, you can just post it.
As for the actual content of your video, I think you'd be surprised how many of these evils would still be around if you got rid of religion, namely all of them. Or if you did get rid of a couple of them, they'd be replaced by others. People are dicks. That's all there is to it. And religion does also inspire some people to do good. Not alot does.
R1-SO? The whole point of modern government and laws are to do just that restrict individual freedoms to benefit the majority.Of course people will try to stop you saying offensive things because it offends them, look at things like taboo jokes. Freedom of speech as in saying anything you want regardless of the consequence may not be the best way foward for society.
R2- Religion doesn't promote discrimination neccesarily, it can easily lead to that and be interpreted in that way.
Humans are naturally going to discriminate and religion may not do enough to curb this but as awhole it doesn't promote it.
R3-No it doesn't, science and religion have been very close studies throughout history, its only now we're seeing the split between science and religion, and science can easily just ignore religious claims as they are unscientific.You seem to b saying that knowledge is inherently more valuable than anything ie look how much progress there was in ww2.
R4- As yo don't have young earth creationist working in physics then your fine.
R5-This point is so unbelievably flawed.Almost every aspect of civilisation and liffe promotes group mentality this is NOT a bad thing. Co-operation is still a group mentality.
R6-The whole Pope Aids thing was just extreme naivety,in practise monogamous faithful relationships would stop Aids,its just unrealistic to think so.
Overall yes we should absolutely be more open minded, but that works both ways. You can't be an athiest totally bash someones religion and be disrespectful then say THEIR not open minded and say what they won't. The more we understand and accept religious people the better life will be.
but religion enforces narrow mindedness, well at least their texts and tenets do, except perhaps for "left hand path" religions like taoism, but those type of religions usually enforce gnosticism and illusionary universal view.
i am surprised that green dragon did not mention buddhism at all, which is just as bad a sink-hole if not worse, than other religions
buddhism is possibly the most open minded 'religion' te budha himself said try out buddhism see if it works for u if doesn't don't bother.Plus its not violent or aanything seriously what do you mean by this?
Yeah religion may encourage close mindedness in the official tenets but most people don't follow their books by the letter and therefore do tend to be good people.
because buddhism doesnt talk about discriminating anybody, buddhism is about peace and love for your fellow human beings and nature thats why he didnt put in this video.
Go ahead and read up a tad on the history of Tibet. They most certainly had a strict caste system and many people lived as slaves. There was oppression, discrimination, and sexual abuse on a widespread level. If you'd like sources, PM. Unfortunately, regardless of the supposed ideals of a religion, when it gains power they all tend to function the same.
Doesn't mean that they were Buddhist, they could have been following their past religion which would have been before Buddhism. At least they didn't kill or torture people like Christians did back in the day.
I was referring to Tibet as it was under the rule of Buddhism, specifically. Yes, they did kill and they did torture people as well. It wasn't under some ancient previous religion, but under tibetan buddhism much as it exists today. If you'd like sources and documentation of buddhist atrocities, PM. I can dig up a steaming heap of rape, murder, & and enslavement for you, all done by buddhists. Sadly, no religion is exempt from this crap, though some don't have a rep for it.
Well, if you want me to make statements encompassing all buddhists, I can't. Just like I can't make a huge blanket statement about christianity. I can, however, give specific instances where large branches of every major religion did some pretty awful stuff. I'm sure there were good people in all of 'em who opposed it. My point was just that buddhism had no get-out-atrocities free card, there has been some ugly things done in the name of buddhism as with the other major beliefs.
damn and here i thought buddhists were the more peaceful ones i guess every religion will always have something fucked up about it good thing im atheist
forced close studies you mean, need i mention what happened to scientists who tried to separate their research from theology. and what possible advantage could there be in including theistic beliefs in research or theoretical analysis(the latter especially). religion within science is counter productive, it is not a passionate or ethical argument it is simply logical and empirical fact.... i mean just where does the trial and error method even fit into biblical content and vice versa
Well if I was Christian i'd say its in corinthians or some shit, but it doesn't.I'm just saying science has its roots in religious studies.Scientists can be religious or not, they don't usaully let it interfer in thei work(in modern times),though there is some problems i the past thatn evolution/intelligent deign fiasco.
You could also argue that morals/ethics in science is counter productive, being productive is not the only thing that matters.
that is only true in the case of very few religions, like the greco/romano pantheons, what i mean is that the numbers of their gods diminished as more and more scientific phenomena were discovered. and since the ancient greeks did not produce a testament or any kind of holy book, because of this their religion was very flexible. and in regards to moral and ethics then yes you are right they can be just as constrictive however moral and ethics are not universal therefore they are also flexible
While it is not common, people have made scientific discoveries because of their ideas from their religion and others have been held back by their anti-religious values. These are facts, and calling expert opinion "quote mining", doesn't change that.
I take it by your arguments that you think your opinion should be evidence enough for me, however, on the subject of science, I personally trust accomplished scientists more than random youtubers.
Harvard school is also against the use of condoms. BTW, the Catholic Church is protested against by thousands of people for their stance on condoms and have been and blasted on by the media for it. So I'm not sure where you got the idea that they get a free pass? It's called freedom of speech.
Blue Laws only exist in certain states, such as those in the Bible Belt. It is your freedom you move to a less religiously based state.
Name an organization that discriminates on Atheist.
UR first example seems 2 only apply 2 the Muslim Religion. Not reason enough 2 bash on all religions.
Evolution does not try to prove how we came about, it only proves how evolution is possible. Since this seems like a good alternative to creationism, Atheist take it to heart as support for their argument against creationist.
Religion develops an Us vs. Them mentality? Hello? Do Atheist not do the EXACT same thing? Many Atheist are very arrogant because they "do not believe in fairy tales".
I'd sign this immediately. Not all the reasons but the main reasons I think. If religions would not care about me I would not care about them because they would not try to harm me or cut my rights and so on.
So you honestly don't think that if you let the Christian fundies rule completely we wouldn't see creationism taught in schools.
Please, some of these people still think the earth is flat...
If they actually think earth is 5000 years old with what we know today, how fucking bad weren't they during the dark ages when they really had power and superstition on their side.
Church was rich as hell, a priest could dictate life and death.
Argue against it if you will, but this was a huge factor...
You care about religion because you're stupid, and you can't carry on a second of your life without putting down someone who has different beliefs as you, you would think humanity couldn't get any worse than racism, what the fuck, you people are the bottom feeders of mankind.
Listen up dumb fuck, he gave sound explanations in his video.
Are you really that fucking ignorant that you can't even read?
Religious people do PUSH their views onto others.
Why do you think the "dark ages" was just that?
Cause it was the time when the church and religion had it's greatest hold on people, anyone speaking out against it or even researching anything that may be in contradiction to religious belief was the burned at the stake, the renaissance brought us out.
Nah, I suppose its the atheist's time for a suicidal attempt to force their shit onto us now, you guys will probebly be the cause of the end of days pretty soon.
And what little time you have left of the one life you have, I feel glad you took that time to reply to me, I will smile when I'm in heaven, hopefully if you grow some balls, you'll be there with me.
Cause it was the time when the church and religion had it's greatest hold on people, anyone speaking out against it or even researching anything that may be in contradiction to religious belief was the burned at the stake"
Find a modern historian who agrees with you.
There were plenty of reasons for the dark ages, most of which were economic, for example, the gold standard, which relied on gold finds. See E. Kwan Choi's "Gold Standard" page
It was the "dark ages" cause of religions hold on power, END OF STORY.....
You have to be pretty dumb not to realize that simple fact.
Religion controlled everything, even the crown.
Inquisition, witch hunts, blasphemy charges.
The persecution of people like Copernicus and Galileo for not following Christian beliefs when it comes to astronomy.
Church had all the answers cause it was in the bible , progression was hampered, we didn't "need" to know and learn cause church told us what to think.
You wrote your opinion, then "end of story" in all caps afterward. Obviously I should believe you, a random internet user, and your Victorian age conflict thesis rehashing over actual historians and economists. You obviously have it all figured out. You demonstrated that by giving examples of how the "persecution" of two Renaissance-era Christian astronomers managed to affect time backwards and play a role in the Dark ages. I am sure you are quite the star of your history classes...
You do not know what you are talking about, but just repeating something that sounds like a came from a fifth-grade textbook.
The churches were the ones building universities and hospitals. And no, the they could not record as much as in the classical age, as they didn't have the army of slaves that the Romans had to do all the dirty work so they could write scrolls. The Catholic Gutenberg's movable type printing press changed their ability to record...
Way to give a textbook example of the ad hominem circumstantial fallacy.
"You have to be pretty ignorant to claim the church wanted scientific progression. "
We are not in the Victorian ages anymore! That is the prevailing attitude among historians now. At least go to wikipedia to get a basic overview if you won't do any research.
Roger Bacon, the creator of the scientific method was Catholic, for heavens sake!
Now you are committing a straw man fallacy. I never said all science was Catholic, I said scientists can be Catholic.
Take a logic class, I gave you a counterexample. An analogy would be if you say no women could do science, and I pointed out that Marie Curie was a woman. That does not mean men can't be scientists as well.
yes, look up ad hominem circumstantial, what you said earlier fits it exactly.
Roger Bacon, is often considered the creater of the scientific method by many because he came long before Francis Bacon. See for example: "Roger Bacon: The Father of Experimental Science and Medieval Occultism"
and there is a good comparison of the creators in "The Place of Francis Bacon in the History of Scientific Method" on the Rice site.
People like Roger Bacon, as well as more modern people such as Gregor Mendel, and N. Copernicus, were not merely Sunday church-goers, they were Catholic clergy or monks, who chose to devout their lives to God. Plenty of modern scientific groundbreakers were Catholic as well, for example Georges Lemaître (a priest) and E. T. Whittaker.
And again, read some modern history books, your conflict thesis ideas are from the Victorian Age. For one limited to it: "God and Reason in the Middle Ages"
Actually the Universities at that time were generally funded and built by the Church, there was not research grants and things like that to fund scientists. Many scientists such as Kepler built on their religious beliefs for their scientific studies. This is well explained in the Kepler section of Stephen Hawking's book, "On the Shoulder of Giants"
Open mindedness and funding is important for scientific study, not absence of religion.
Continued, In fact, since ancient times irreligious views did scientific thinkers a disservice in determining the origin of the universe. As S. Hawking put it in "A Brief History of Time": "Aristotle, and most of the other Greek philosophers, on the other hand, did not like the idea of a creation because it smacked too much of divine intervention. They believed...that [people and the world] had existed and would exist forever" (p. 8). The belief about an eternal universe would continue
to be held by many scientists even for years after a Catholic priest had proposed what become known as the Big Bang theory. In fact, anti-religious prejudices continued to play a part in some of the scientists' unwavering belief of the Steady State theory of the universe over the Big Bang theory. It seemed too similar to the Biblical story of Genesis for many of them. Fred Hoyle, one of the creators and strongest proponents of the SS theory, would launch into anti-religious rants in his books
i really don't understand why world even takes creationist argument's into consideration when it comes to things like stem cell research and abortion when they plainly see that the only evidence they can present is the word of a god that not everyone agrees existed at all, i would also like to point out that this was a great video, keep posting its appreciated.
GermanC "You can't prove God with science" GermanC "religion and science are intertwined. Most things in religion can be proven with science afterall" GermanC " Religion encourages free thought." GermanC "I pray to the Saints and confess" Imaginefree I'm trying really, really hard to respect your beliefs but I'm finding them difficult to get a handle on.
I really don't see the difficulty. God really can't be disproven with science, religion and science should be interwined, with science the answer to how it happened, and God the answer to why and what our future will be. I pray to the Saints for minor things, you know that I don't think God needs to get into so to speak, and since I do, that means I'm Catholic. To your direct question: No. I don't. However, I have a few atheist friends and I respect their beliefs, because they respect mine.
Also, GreenDragon23, in the last 25 years or so, MANY top scientists from Harvard,Cambridge,Yale,etc..etc..etc..etc..have come to the conclusion that science/scientific discoveries actually seem to help PROVE and SUPPORT that the Universe ( mankind of course included) was created not by "nature" but by design, design from a CREATOR. Evolutional theories etc. are more and more just not making any sense. By the way, Darwinism/evolution theory is more than LOADED with holes..in fact, absurdly so.
GreenDragon23: Evolution is totally unproven and Darwinism is full of holes. Javaman for example, was a fossil find of not the whole skull/face/body that you see in artists rendering in textbooks for 50 years or more..but only a skullcap,3 teeth and a thigh bone. Other fossils have been faked..even glued together from 2 different fossil finds made as one. The 'Cambrian Explosion' also helps disprove evolution. It goes on and on..there is FAR more evidence AGAINST evolution than for it. Study.
1. Religion encourages free thought. Not about the religion itself, but of the world around them. The morals religion gave me allowed me to see the horrible things the US government is doing to the world. I found out the evil intentions of the US shortly before I found God again.
2. Islamic women actually had more freedoms in prevouis years. The Islam sexism thing is only a couple decades old.
3. Religion doesn't do anything about progress. Evolution and other scientific theories still might not be the truth. Untill we make a time machine or something, we'll never TRUELY know. Besides whats the harm in having a few people not belive in what YOU teach. Thats just hypocracy.
4. Religion has it's understandings. They are taught not to be ignorant, but accepting of the differenace around them.
5. THe Abrahamic religions should all be the same, we worship the same God.
Also stop using out of context muslims refereance, most of those things are only due to terror hysterial. Too many people don't know the truth about the Religion of Peace (Islam)
6. The Church discourages condoms because they discourage sex for pleasure. You should only have sex to have a baby, no other reason.
7. Just to say, my leader can worship Ronald McDonald for all I care, as long as they have a moral belief system.
8. That wouldn't be neccisary if you just stop discriminating us.
"Religion encourages free thought. " Not. Religion persistently and consistently resists scientific progress. The Xian church has been fighting science at every step. Xian fundies actively discourage their young people from gaining higher education because "It will destroy their faith!" And so it does, of course. And so it does. Religion stems from fear and ignorance, religion promotes fear and ignorance.
I belive that religion and science are intertwined. Most things in religion can be proven with science afterall. Religion stems not from ignorance, but love. Those who never experienced religion, don't know what it feels like, so you cover it up with "all religious people are fearful and ignorant." which is far from the truth.
"Most things in religion can be proven with science afterall." Huh? That isn't true in the least. You cannot even prove the existence of god through science, and that's about as basic as it gets. "Religion stems not from ignorance, but love" Sorry, not. "Those who never experienced religion," Would you call 40 years in the pulpit inexperienced? That's the trouble with assumptions, they are so often wrong.
You can't prove God with science, but can you disprove Him? No. Atheism is a newer force than religion, so it's you guys that are rocking the boay so to speak, so YOU must come up with the evidence for there not being a God. Yes religion stems from love, Love of God, love of self, and love of your brothers. Fear and ignorance were forces in the growth of religion yes, but it stems from those ideals. And I highly doubt that you were a leader of a congrigation.
"Atheism is a newer force than religion" Ridiculous. Religion is an invention of primitive man. Prior to that ALL were atheist. You're the one claiming the reality of something unseen. I say, show me. Your doubts are neither relevant nor interesting. But I'll give you a logical proof of the NONexistence of god, if you like. Next message...
It's hard to prove that leprachauns don't exist. It's hard to prove there's no god. But it's easy to prove the Christian God doesn't exist. It is logically impossible that any being can have the following characteristics: 1- all-knowing 2- all-powerful 3- actively involved in human affairs 4- loving in nature. 1 and 2 and 3 are consistent. 1 and 3 and 4 can be consistent. But to see evil and choose not to stop it one cannot be loving. Mutually exclusive attributes equals nonexistence.
Your the one speaking nonsense. It's widely thought that early humans, Cro-magnons and even Neanderthals had some sort of religous belief, thus, atheism is fairly new conpaired to religion, so since atheists came after religion, your the ones testing the claim, so you must provide evidence. Your the procecutor in this case, and religion is the defendent, and the people are the jury, it's clear the people of the world have choosen since the dawn of man, religion is dominante.
By widley thought, I mean it's been speculated and researched. ALso I am not the only one with the claim, do you admit that you claim there is no God? Yes? Then PROVE IT DAMMIT. It's an overused defence and I'm sick of it. My prove is that all of Old Gods are gone, and the three Abrahamic religions are the widest belived religions, of which grew from about 10-30 followers, to almost 3 billion. Explain that? Is it just conicedence or chance that my religion is the dominanate on earth?
I actually saw this evidence on documentaries I saw recently on the History channel you might what you see it, Modern Marvels Bible Tech, and Quest for the Holy Grail, stuff like that. Also it's easy to disprove the Mars thing because we have not yet found life on Mars, through extensive tests and explorations of the planet. For the other post, I am a Catholic, since I pray to the Saints and confess, but all abrahamic religions has the same God, thus I belive we are all the "same" religion.
Call History channel liers if you want, a lot of history told to us might very well be false, even science might be a bunch of lies, as Napoleon once said "History is a set of lies agreed upon." But as for the Mars thing, if there was actually inteligent (In most cases for Earthlins) life anywhere besides Earth, they would have found us, or viceversa by now. I belive that God only made humans on this planet. I think "We drift alone" in the universe; I think it's no one elses unvierse but ours.
" I think "We drift alone" in the universe" I have no data. And I think it's cool, whatever you believe. My only resistance comes in when people insist that their beliefs are everyone's reality. And of course there could be life on millions of other planets and we might never know about them, either. Just as well, at least until we evolve a bit. Our first instinct is to kill and destroy anything new. "Other sheep I have which are not of this fold" It's an interesting speculation.
No, anything is possible. I accept the possibility that my God is flase, but based on what I've seen, and experienced, and observed, I think my beliefs are correct, but I would never force them on any of my non-abramamic brothers. My logic: If our religion is the right one, then we've already saved, why is it neccisary to save others. If we trust them, and respect them, so will God, as long as they respect our beliefs, which is why I don't agree with atheism, you don't respect our beliefs.
Most atheists do not look down upon theists just because they worship a God, however some, such as Richard Dawkins, do. I respect the beliefs of my abrahamic brothers, I respect jewish and Muslims traditions and ways, and I even tolerate Hinduism, a pratical pagan religion, but it's still a valid religion and their people are friendly and kind. However, atheists who belittle religion I don't respect. I tolerate atheism, but I don't respect atheists who don't respect me and my beliefs.
The evidence is bible. Bible don't teach anything about physics, biochemistry and science.
To use god or bible to describe the unknown - That's the ignorance. The existence of god is nothing more than Easter Bunny. You thiests spreaded this god-is-real-ignorance almost like cancer.
Offense taken actually. GOd is like an Easter bunny? I'm sorry but that is why I make these kind of statements, atheism is hateful, ignorant of religion, and deserves the crictism right back at them. So YOUr arguement against theists that that it spreads the truth (God is real) and if it isn't true it doesn't hurt anyone jsut to say, and it doesn't teach science. So I guess morals, good jugdement, and ethics aren't important, more important than sicence anyway right? Worse arguement I ever heard
"I make these kind of statements, atheism is hateful, ignorant of religion, and deserves the crictism right back at them."
You accuse atheism for being hateful, ignorant of religion and deserves the crictism just because I speak frankly and stating the facts? Oh please, you're speaking the bigotry. Most of atheists I've met is more intelligent and nice people than theists.
"So YOUr arguement against theists that that it spreads the truth (God is real)"
Actually, no. It spreads the lie, false hope and fear. You have no evidence to support the bible as truth all but bible itself. Men written this book. Men created the god. God is not real. You should be know this better.
"So I guess morals, good jugdement, and ethics aren't important, more important than sicence anyway right?"
Conscience is much better than morals, good jugdement and ethics based on primitive bible. The best thing is: we don't need the religion to have the conscience. we all born with it.
Bible teachs nothing all but false hope of the afterlife.
Reason #6 exists because all religions know they will fall down when examined. So there is a cooperation of religions in this one area. Every religion knows that their religion can't stand scrutiny any more then someone else's religion. If one religion could invoke science to disprove another while protecting itself from the same scrutiny, they would do it. But they all know that they all fall under scrutiny. So there is a silent "agreement" not to scrutinize. Thus protecting themselves.
Atheists are focusing on religions which are ideologies. Islam especially having a social agenda. But the problem is not with people's minds. It's in their hearts. Love unites. Hate divides. United we stand. Divided we fall.
"Well now the Bible never said anything about the earth being flat or the sun revolving around the earth. That was made up by the catholics and other people of the time!!"
That is wrong, and is part of the rewritten history from the Victorian Age by anti-religious people to form the conflict thesis which is no longer accepted by mainstream historians (but still is popular among laypeople). Aristotle and Ptolemy made up the sun revolving around the Earth.
continued: in fact it was the #2 myth listed in the Historical Association common myths of history pamphlet. Almost all educated people and sailors knew the world was round because you saw the tops of things first, and everything else as they got closer.
According to wikipedia the flat earth myth was popularized by the tales of Christopher Columbus, when he was made a mythologised as a hero centuries later.
Everyone thought he would fall off the edge of the world or something, the tale goes.
First of all, the Bible is not a science book, it is a guide to getting to heaven. I am not a young earth creationist, I was correcting a common misconception perpetuated by Victorian-aged atheist propagandists.
Secondly, let's be accurate here. The Bible was not written in English, so going too deeply into the English meaning is not going to be helpful. The Bible used the ancient Hebrew word now written רָקִיעַ which was much less precise and can mean an expanse.
I don't mind religions too much if the religious admit they are arbitrarily choosing one religion with no proof for absolutely no real reason and don't actually follow their religion. If they follow something like the bible, they need the death penalty for all the murder and assaults they commit.
Also, religion is used to support specism- such as saying god said we are above all other living being or that animals have no souls.
Codylupardus 2 months ago
Actually... in some areas, rapists are below Atheists in America. Not in all areas though, such as stealing.
Codylupardus 2 months ago
Since when has atheism ever started a war? My point exactly.....
KillerRetardz 3 months ago
People should really stop arguing about this so much. I mean you can believe whatever you want, but do so quietly. And something i have to say to you atheists: I respect your beliefs, but you push religion too. If in your mind, someone who believes in god is insane for doing so, why must you try to refute that god if it makes them happy to have a belief. I just don't understand it...
XscorgedwoundX 7 months ago
@XscorgedwoundX "In your mind, someone who blieves in god is insane for doing so"
No. I don't believe that. I feel believing in something you have no reason to believe in is IRRATIONAL, but that's it.
Some people feel they do have a good reason to believe in god, through personal anecdotes, feeling liek they've 'spoken to god' and whatnot, and that's fine.
The problem is their 'happy belief' tends to make us unhappy, because they REGULARLY hate us, for not sharing their belief.
BigLundi 7 months ago
@BigLundi It's sad that some religious people hate other for not sharing a belief but in my experiences, they usually just hope for you to change. So far i haven't met a religious person who actually hated people for being non religious.
XscorgedwoundX 7 months ago
@XscorgedwoundX No, not even that. I've met plenty of religious people who don't 'hate' me for being nonreligious. But the fact of the matter is, religion, and the tenets of the most popular religions, are used to dictate laws aroudn the world. Atheists are painted as the 'least trusted minority' in the united states, even after 9/11, I live in one of several states that have laws barring atheists from running for public office. This is about more than just hate.
BigLundi 7 months ago
you take the time to read these books that mean sosmehting tot these groups of people you mentioned, but somehow like children's folklore to tell children these epeople are crazy and that their ways are laughable but we have to hear " Guess what? i got fucked over and over again until my heart beated! I'm woman/ man of the world! ( meaning you know all about it) sarcastic. hurray then why do agnosists complain then? you 're something else!
1981suckit 8 months ago
I think it is close minded to be atheist. Most atheist I have met seem to be a bunch of assholes trying to fit in with the rest of the assholes. Wiccans are not afraid to tell you off your a disgrace and have no respect for yourselves or anyone else.
guitar4art 1 year ago
@guitar4art I have found the contrary to be true. I find that the college halls are littered with smart, educated, social, helpful - atheists. From the professors to the students. Perhaps you should meet more people from different locations. My observations have been very different from yours. Moreover, I do not consider myself closed minded since I was once very religious and held on to it for some time. We simply are not as open minded to myths being real.
Lipitorforall 10 months ago
@guitar4art its close minded to be atheist? do you have any idea why believers become atheists? because they take time to think outside of the never ending circle of unanswerable questions that religion traps you in. Christianity for example makes claims that science has now refuted(i.e. the age of the earth) so since we have taken into account religious claims, then looked at the facts, THEN made our conclusion while theists cover their ears, how are WE being close minded?
linkinparkfan103 10 months ago
@guitar4art Assholes are those who believe in something.All this believeness has accured to war.Religion is made for war,it's not made for peace.That's why it's better to not believe in anything.You should accept atheist peoples that they dont want to believe in God.
Dan90iel1 7 months ago
@Dan90iel1 My next few comments will defend against this video! Due to restriction of comment text, I cannot defend against everything. Have any questions? PM me. Keep in mind that i respect both atheists and religious people. I accept that some doctor in is flawed. Please respond back to me with respect, as i have show you respect.
Ok lets get started!
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DjBlaqkHat 3 months ago
@DjBlaqkHat I can accept religious people,but as i have seen in the coming years like islam it's big problem because they cant live with people who're not muslims.There you got a answer why religion makes war.
Dan90iel1 3 months ago
I wonder how many religious people are honestly just trying to enjoy a comfortable delusion. Unfortunately this comfortable delusion is a massive detriment to society in humanity, even if you only account for how it gives power to extremists and fundamentalists.
dookiecheez 1 year ago
@CrossoverManiac HOW ?
ScreamoFann 1 year ago
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Why do I care about atheism: because when they get power, people die by the millions. Atheists that have power has been murdering people since the French Revolution and it got progressively worse when they took over the Soviet Union.
CrossoverManiac 1 year ago
8. (continued) For example, if Turks slaughtered millions of Armenians in 1915, does that mean all Turks of today are evil mongrels? No. Should they acknowledge the wrong doing of the past? Yes. That's why I'm a Christian who acknowledge the Crusades were bad.
truthb4liesalibies 1 year ago
8. You're the only one discriminating other people. Seriously, what's your definition of persecution? Because some people may not like you? Well shame on them. It's not right to judge people without knowing them, just because they disagree with you. Still, Christians were persecuted throughout history by Romans, Jews, Muslims, atheists, and have also persecuted other groups. All creeds and races have hunted others in the past. That does not mean you can say everyone of a particular group is evil
truthb4liesalibies 1 year ago
7. Well the area you live in affects your political decisions as well as your wealth, sexuality, ethnicity, should we discourage people from having any differences and redistribute all wealth and resources until the whole world is a spread of surburban houses and like-minded people? So what if people think differently than you! Freedom of speech and thought. And believing in God is only delusional to you. Maybe you're the real delusional ones? But I will tell you to give up your beliefs.
truthb4liesalibies 1 year ago
@truthb4liesalibies
#7
Voltaire said, "If you can get people to believe obsurdities, then you can get them to commit atrocities." The bible contains many obsurdities: living inside a fish for 3 days; a tower that can reach the heavens (skyscrapers=god fail); giants; demons & angels; sampson with his superstrength and magical hair; talking snakes; getting every type of animal on a boat; criss angel type magic tricks - walking on water and turning water to wine (not really impressive); etc.
caposton 1 year ago
6. Uh, I was taught to only have something nice to say or don't say anything at all. It's common courtesy. And Christ is about turnign the other cheek. Maybe instead of sending condoms, we could send medicine? Food? Something that actually satisfies more basic needs? And Christianity is targeted all the time. Think Family Guy, jokes, most aspects of media.
truthb4liesalibies 1 year ago
@truthb4liesalibies
#6
Respect people - not beliefs. Ideas are to be challenged. This is how we determine fact from fiction. Sometimes ridiculing or showing the obsurdity of a belief is the best means to correcting a person's perception of reality. Should we have only said nice things about nazi propaganda?
Turning the other cheek is stupid. No one really believes it. If we really believed it we wouldn't need armies. Some people, like sadam hussein, need to be stopped with violence.
caposton 1 year ago
5. Actually, Christianity creates "be the best person you can be" mentality. Denominations are annoying because organized religion gets in the way of faith--but most Christians are moderate loving people. And I have friends who are Jew, Muslim, even atheist. It doesn't matter what you believe as long as our personalities mesh. And communism has done great damage, and it is usually run by atheists. Joseph Stalin anyone? But it's not that atheists are evil--just an example that not all are great.
truthb4liesalibies 1 year ago
@truthb4liesalibies
Actually,
If you look at jail statistics Christians represent the same percentage of the jail population as the general population. Atheists, however, represent a much smaller percent of the jail population then their percentage in the general population. Christian divorce rates are no different then any other group. Christians have had their fair share of monsters in their midst. God is the ultimate genocidal, mass-murdering maniac. Read the bible.
caposton 1 year ago
@truthb4liesalibies
#5 Adolf Hitler
Adolf Hitler was a catholic. He was supported by the catholic church. He mentioned God in numerous writings and speeches. He also was involved in the occult. He was NOT an atheist. Even if he was an atheist, atheists have no book or sacred writing and no shared set of beliefs - atheism is the absence of a belief. Most atheists spoke out against hitler.
caposton 1 year ago
3. Einstein was a diest, Gregor Mendel was a Christian monk, I'm going into the medical field and I believe in the Big Bang and evolution--do you need any more proof against your claims?
4. Religion teaches us to be moral, love God, and help fellow man. It deals with questions of the afterlife and morality. That's all. I always seek better understanding of the world because I am naturally curious, and I do what the Bible advises by using my talents to be the best I can be (using my mind).
truthb4liesalibies 1 year ago
1. I have Muslim friends and I'm Christian.
2. Christianity comes for all nations and peoples, no matter what color, gender. Females are not supposed to wear male clothes and vice versa, so it's not too restricting.
3. Being gay is fine. Acting upon those impulses is not as it is lustful. Intercourse is for procreation, not recreation. For straight people, thinking about it is lustful and also wrong, as well as premarital relations. Basically sex should only be done to create a family.
truthb4liesalibies 1 year ago
1. you are generalizing, not all muslims are against other religons
2. god created all peope equal so it doesn't promote racism
3. homosexuality is wrong, god created adam and eve not adam and... some other guy
4. religon does not interefere with scientific progress. even isaac newton said that his reason for scientific exploration was god
lion57389 1 year ago
many great points, religion has no place in the future accept in the books of history good music too
maestro4110 1 year ago
what an egoistic reasons you have, if you dont believe in god then who create your mother and your mother's mother, and the mother of your mother's mother, just like the sun you believe it exist because of heat and the light but who saw it, nobody right everything is just an idea, just like God you don't see Him but you can feel His presence especially in times of anxiety, God bless you bro"!
lenieo8 1 year ago
@lenieo8
Oh I can answer those questions. My mother's parents had sex, hence my mother.
My mother's mother's parents had sex; hence my mother's mother. Nobody feels god or such a presence...Some only feel they do. Those were the easiest questions that I've ever answered. Sexual education is an important unit in primary and secondary schools.
Of course, there's always the I dream of genie approach where they just blink into existence.
"Atheist bless you."
Gottacanon 1 year ago
I watched 42 seconds. Let me guess. You care about religion because religion has been responsible for all wars, and atheism will bring about civility and happiness. How'm I doing?
bammbamm12 2 years ago
Attention Atheists..We are something right now right bec,there is somehing WE EXIST,U eat U use computers,UTUBEetc,,,What if I question you since You deny creation,,,What is BELOW NOTHING...ANSWER IS NOTHING OR NOTHINGNESS right..therefore we never exist,,a british atheist so mad to me,using very bad words,pissed off..he never reply,this is atheist belief no creator,no GOD..but there is Creator,there is GOD.thats why I typing this message,bec I exist. PEACE
superjoman1 2 years ago
I think it should be obvious to religious people who it's important to us atheists but sadly it isn't. If a group of people believe in the tooth fairy but their beliefs don't control their life or affect how they treat others, nobody cares. If those people start trying to pass laws based on what they think the tooth fairy wants, and discriminate based on how they think the tooth fairy would want them to... Yeah, there's a problem there. And I would say a lot of religious people are like that.
loserella55 2 years ago 3
In response to Reason 2 Example 1, Christians are against homosexuality for the reason you stated, BUT ALSO for the reason that it is the main contributor to AIDS. That is why God thinks it is an abomination, because it destroys humans.
MASTERMIKEEE 2 years ago
'That is why God thinks it is an abomination, because it destroys humans'
So presumably God is in favour of stem-cell research because it can save lives of his humans. No?
firthio2 2 years ago 3
God commanded Adam and Eve to "be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth" This cannot be accomplished by homosexuality, as a result of homosexuality: a multitude of diseases. These diseases cannot be stopped by killing more humans. The simple alternative is to NOT do homosexuality or disobey God in any way. Then, the diseases would disappear. So, in answer to your question, No, God would not be in favor of stem-cell research.
MASTERMIKEEE 2 years ago
I'm not sure why you were still talking about homosexuality but ok whatever.
I just want to clarify though, you are against stem-cell research because it could kill people because God would send more disease to punish people for doing stem cell research? I think I've just misunderstood because that doesn't make any sense.
Anyway, why do animals get the same diseases we do? Why are people born with diseases when they have themselves had no opportunity to sin?
firthio2 2 years ago
No, I'm against stem-cell research not because I fear God's punishment on those who do it, but I am against it because it is not Biblical. It is not Biblical because God says that it is not right to take a life for the cause of research, no matter what the research may accomplish. People are born with diseases because of sin. All humans are sinful, it is their nature. No one is born innocent, or without sin. We are NOT sinners because we sin, rather, we sin because we are sinners!
MASTERMIKEEE 2 years ago
What about animals then?
firthio2 2 years ago
What about them? They didn't sin, but because Man sinned, all of creation suffers, you follow?
MASTERMIKEEE 2 years ago
Do you think its moral to punish all living things for the sins of one other?
firthio2 2 years ago 9
@firthio2 Adam and Eve's punishment was on them and their offspring. Kinda like if my dad dies and leaves a huge debt behind, it's my responsibility by law to handle it.
MASTERMIKEEE 1 year ago
@MASTERMIKEEE Ok what you did made you contradict your argument. By saying you are implying that the only ones who Get AIDS are gays. But yet there are those who are in heterosexual and have sex and one of them might AIDS and give the other one AIDS but this was no an act of homosexuality
westeastxybzd 1 year ago
@westeastxybzd Actually, I did not contradict myself. I made the assumption that many gays get AIDS. I did not imply that ONLY gays induce AIDS. In poor countries where the correct medical care can't be distributed, AIDS may appear in heterosexual acts. However, I did say this "that it (homosexuality) is the main contributor to AIDS." Studies show that homosexuality is a much bigger contributer to AIDS than heterosexuality. Heterosexuality is ONLY a contributer where there is no medical care.
MASTERMIKEEE 1 year ago
Nice but a little dull. I would have also included some stuff about how the Catholic church works to cover it up whenever they know some of their priests are raping children.
"Hey, they confessed, we gave absolution, that's the end of it!"
Comparatively recently this was discovered again in Southern, free (Catholic) Ireland; priests abusing children in their care in care homes. How many more times have they got away with it, that we don't know about yet?
queenastilon 2 years ago
Ok another crappy video. Religion has their beliefs and atheist have their beliefs. Its the same way, its all about which side persuaded best
AceOfJacka 2 years ago
i believe one day in the very very very distant future people will realise there is no god and everyone will work together to make a better world.
bamboozel1234 2 years ago 3
its good to see people who know a thing or two about morals and can see whats right from wrong. i like you too
sitinsnow 2 years ago
I think its typical of the catholic and or christian faith to do shit like this. They have done it in the past and it isn't going to stop. If they really believe in what they are doing is right then how can anyone really think that what they worship is the all-peaceful, all-forgiving, all-loving god. They just love the thought of genocide imo.
sitinsnow 2 years ago
The only prayer I'd be able to pray at that point is;
"Oh lord, please save me from thy followers"
coolbeens21 2 years ago
Apparently they want to encourage the spreading of HIV :O
and they call themselves godsends?
Oh me oh fucking my!
- Actually, nvm, its EXACTLY what Yahweh would want them to do, I guess those psychos are going to heaven after all.
coolbeens21 2 years ago
Can someone explain to me condom use results in AIDS. :O
- Great video, and I concur on your reasons.
coolbeens21 2 years ago
Okay, I've got a question. Have you heard of blogging? It's great. You don't have to edit your text into a video format, you can just post it.
As for the actual content of your video, I think you'd be surprised how many of these evils would still be around if you got rid of religion, namely all of them. Or if you did get rid of a couple of them, they'd be replaced by others. People are dicks. That's all there is to it. And religion does also inspire some people to do good. Not alot does.
groupthinker1984 2 years ago
R1-SO? The whole point of modern government and laws are to do just that restrict individual freedoms to benefit the majority.Of course people will try to stop you saying offensive things because it offends them, look at things like taboo jokes. Freedom of speech as in saying anything you want regardless of the consequence may not be the best way foward for society.
R2- Religion doesn't promote discrimination neccesarily, it can easily lead to that and be interpreted in that way.
venakew 2 years ago
Humans are naturally going to discriminate and religion may not do enough to curb this but as awhole it doesn't promote it.
R3-No it doesn't, science and religion have been very close studies throughout history, its only now we're seeing the split between science and religion, and science can easily just ignore religious claims as they are unscientific.You seem to b saying that knowledge is inherently more valuable than anything ie look how much progress there was in ww2.
venakew 2 years ago
R4- As yo don't have young earth creationist working in physics then your fine.
R5-This point is so unbelievably flawed.Almost every aspect of civilisation and liffe promotes group mentality this is NOT a bad thing. Co-operation is still a group mentality.
R6-The whole Pope Aids thing was just extreme naivety,in practise monogamous faithful relationships would stop Aids,its just unrealistic to think so.
R7-yeah religion and politics shouldn't mix,
venakew 2 years ago
Overall yes we should absolutely be more open minded, but that works both ways. You can't be an athiest totally bash someones religion and be disrespectful then say THEIR not open minded and say what they won't. The more we understand and accept religious people the better life will be.
venakew 2 years ago
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nanoradio 2 years ago
but religion enforces narrow mindedness, well at least their texts and tenets do, except perhaps for "left hand path" religions like taoism, but those type of religions usually enforce gnosticism and illusionary universal view.
i am surprised that green dragon did not mention buddhism at all, which is just as bad a sink-hole if not worse, than other religions
nanoradio 2 years ago
buddhism is possibly the most open minded 'religion' te budha himself said try out buddhism see if it works for u if doesn't don't bother.Plus its not violent or aanything seriously what do you mean by this?
Yeah religion may encourage close mindedness in the official tenets but most people don't follow their books by the letter and therefore do tend to be good people.
venakew 2 years ago
because buddhism doesnt talk about discriminating anybody, buddhism is about peace and love for your fellow human beings and nature thats why he didnt put in this video.
sitinsnow 2 years ago
Go ahead and read up a tad on the history of Tibet. They most certainly had a strict caste system and many people lived as slaves. There was oppression, discrimination, and sexual abuse on a widespread level. If you'd like sources, PM. Unfortunately, regardless of the supposed ideals of a religion, when it gains power they all tend to function the same.
NoAntecessor 2 years ago
Doesn't mean that they were Buddhist, they could have been following their past religion which would have been before Buddhism. At least they didn't kill or torture people like Christians did back in the day.
sitinsnow 2 years ago
I was referring to Tibet as it was under the rule of Buddhism, specifically. Yes, they did kill and they did torture people as well. It wasn't under some ancient previous religion, but under tibetan buddhism much as it exists today. If you'd like sources and documentation of buddhist atrocities, PM. I can dig up a steaming heap of rape, murder, & and enslavement for you, all done by buddhists. Sadly, no religion is exempt from this crap, though some don't have a rep for it.
NoAntecessor 2 years ago
oh i see was it only tibetan buddhists who did that or was it all buddhists in general i was takling about all buddhists in general
sitinsnow 2 years ago
Well, if you want me to make statements encompassing all buddhists, I can't. Just like I can't make a huge blanket statement about christianity. I can, however, give specific instances where large branches of every major religion did some pretty awful stuff. I'm sure there were good people in all of 'em who opposed it. My point was just that buddhism had no get-out-atrocities free card, there has been some ugly things done in the name of buddhism as with the other major beliefs.
NoAntecessor 2 years ago
damn and here i thought buddhists were the more peaceful ones i guess every religion will always have something fucked up about it good thing im atheist
sitinsnow 2 years ago
forced close studies you mean, need i mention what happened to scientists who tried to separate their research from theology. and what possible advantage could there be in including theistic beliefs in research or theoretical analysis(the latter especially). religion within science is counter productive, it is not a passionate or ethical argument it is simply logical and empirical fact.... i mean just where does the trial and error method even fit into biblical content and vice versa
nanoradio 2 years ago
Well if I was Christian i'd say its in corinthians or some shit, but it doesn't.I'm just saying science has its roots in religious studies.Scientists can be religious or not, they don't usaully let it interfer in thei work(in modern times),though there is some problems i the past thatn evolution/intelligent deign fiasco.
You could also argue that morals/ethics in science is counter productive, being productive is not the only thing that matters.
venakew 2 years ago
that is only true in the case of very few religions, like the greco/romano pantheons, what i mean is that the numbers of their gods diminished as more and more scientific phenomena were discovered. and since the ancient greeks did not produce a testament or any kind of holy book, because of this their religion was very flexible. and in regards to moral and ethics then yes you are right they can be just as constrictive however moral and ethics are not universal therefore they are also flexible
nanoradio 2 years ago
Are you done with your quote mining of religion and science?
Sorry no matter how hard you try religion and science don't go together.
If a person is a scientist with religious beliefs , he would have to leave religion out of it.
If he /she starts talking about god in his work then he is working out of the assumption of god and creation and is nothing but a hack.
Are you seriously quote mining Hawking in saying that religion is important in science.
This is where I end this discussion.
Swecan76 2 years ago
The best way to end it is not to reply :).
While it is not common, people have made scientific discoveries because of their ideas from their religion and others have been held back by their anti-religious values. These are facts, and calling expert opinion "quote mining", doesn't change that.
I take it by your arguments that you think your opinion should be evidence enough for me, however, on the subject of science, I personally trust accomplished scientists more than random youtubers.
rdiofreeurope 2 years ago
"I personally trust accomplished scientists more than random youtubers. "
I'm happy too see we can agree on one thing at least.
Swecan76 2 years ago
Atheist Argument:
So God blesses America, while he craps on Africa?
bangNL94 2 years ago
Heaven and Hell are real weather you believe or not.The FOOL said in his heart "there is no God".
mattemus1978 2 years ago
If that's the extent of your argument, unicorns must be real too.
Cordman1221 2 years ago 6
I like to point out that I do not chose to be an Atheist.
I simply can't fool myself into believing in god, let alone a religious god.
A heaven would be super great, who wouldn't love that.
The thing is there is nothing pointing towards a god or a heaven, but people's fear of death.
Which the church has nicely capitalized on with heaven a hell. the carrot and the stick.
To make people do as they please.
This worked on people in old times cause they knew less. but today you'd be a fool...
Swecan76 2 years ago
Wow I can't believe I almost missed that.
It was not Roger Bacon that came up crudely with the scientific method.
It was FRANCIS Bacon.
Also, please point out one single openly Atheist during the dark ages or all the way up to the 18th century...
Anyone that would have would also be tasting the warmth of a bonfire courtesy of the church..
All these great minds of earlier times profess a belief in god cause they had to more or less.
Even so , their work was not to prove god as creationists do.
Swecan76 2 years ago
As a non-traditional theist, I would have to agree with you and almost all your points.
Good video.
Peace!
brkdaice 2 years ago
Harvard school is also against the use of condoms. BTW, the Catholic Church is protested against by thousands of people for their stance on condoms and have been and blasted on by the media for it. So I'm not sure where you got the idea that they get a free pass? It's called freedom of speech.
Blue Laws only exist in certain states, such as those in the Bible Belt. It is your freedom you move to a less religiously based state.
Name an organization that discriminates on Atheist.
hasitat 2 years ago
UR first example seems 2 only apply 2 the Muslim Religion. Not reason enough 2 bash on all religions.
Evolution does not try to prove how we came about, it only proves how evolution is possible. Since this seems like a good alternative to creationism, Atheist take it to heart as support for their argument against creationist.
Religion develops an Us vs. Them mentality? Hello? Do Atheist not do the EXACT same thing? Many Atheist are very arrogant because they "do not believe in fairy tales".
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I'd sign this immediately. Not all the reasons but the main reasons I think. If religions would not care about me I would not care about them because they would not try to harm me or cut my rights and so on.
Nice video.
Pr0zaxX 2 years ago
I would hardly turn to an American for historical facts.
Especially ones that does not even involve America in the first place.
Now when the person is also a Catholic it becomes even worse.
It is like asking a Nazi to tell the truth about concentration camps...
But, lets just leave it at that.
We more or less have to agree to disagree.
Swecan76 3 years ago
So you honestly don't think that if you let the Christian fundies rule completely we wouldn't see creationism taught in schools.
Please, some of these people still think the earth is flat...
If they actually think earth is 5000 years old with what we know today, how fucking bad weren't they during the dark ages when they really had power and superstition on their side.
Church was rich as hell, a priest could dictate life and death.
Argue against it if you will, but this was a huge factor...
Swecan76 3 years ago
It was a bunch of popes dictating everything during that time.
Pretty nasty ones at that, everyone was obedient and followed the bible or it would be consequences.
Bad economic times is hardly an answer, there is always bad times in the economy, like now for instance.
This never prevented any development during all the other era's.
If you have a book that explains it all and is the word of God , how are they suppose to argue.
Eventually some did and then we were out of the dark ages.
Swecan76 3 years ago
You care about religion because you're stupid, and you can't carry on a second of your life without putting down someone who has different beliefs as you, you would think humanity couldn't get any worse than racism, what the fuck, you people are the bottom feeders of mankind.
ShaggyTheClown17 3 years ago
ShaggyTheClown17:
Listen up dumb fuck, he gave sound explanations in his video.
Are you really that fucking ignorant that you can't even read?
Religious people do PUSH their views onto others.
Why do you think the "dark ages" was just that?
Cause it was the time when the church and religion had it's greatest hold on people, anyone speaking out against it or even researching anything that may be in contradiction to religious belief was the burned at the stake, the renaissance brought us out.
Swecan76 3 years ago
Nah, I suppose its the atheist's time for a suicidal attempt to force their shit onto us now, you guys will probebly be the cause of the end of days pretty soon.
And what little time you have left of the one life you have, I feel glad you took that time to reply to me, I will smile when I'm in heaven, hopefully if you grow some balls, you'll be there with me.
btw, atheism is a big a big clusterfuck.
ShaggyTheClown17 3 years ago
Suicidal attempt?
The end of days would happen cause of religious people that actually believe in a religious end of days.
You even have groups that pray and work towards the "end of days" to happen.
All we want is for all these indoctrinated people to wake up and realize what the hell you are doing.
Just for one moment , think about this.
A cosmic jewish zombie wants you to eat of his flesh and worship him.
This is textbook insanity..
He explained very well why we atheists care.
Swecan76 3 years ago
"Why do you think the "dark ages" was just that?
Cause it was the time when the church and religion had it's greatest hold on people, anyone speaking out against it or even researching anything that may be in contradiction to religious belief was the burned at the stake"
Find a modern historian who agrees with you.
There were plenty of reasons for the dark ages, most of which were economic, for example, the gold standard, which relied on gold finds. See E. Kwan Choi's "Gold Standard" page
rdiofreeurope 3 years ago
It was the "dark ages" cause of religions hold on power, END OF STORY.....
You have to be pretty dumb not to realize that simple fact.
Religion controlled everything, even the crown.
Inquisition, witch hunts, blasphemy charges.
The persecution of people like Copernicus and Galileo for not following Christian beliefs when it comes to astronomy.
Church had all the answers cause it was in the bible , progression was hampered, we didn't "need" to know and learn cause church told us what to think.
Swecan76 3 years ago 3
You wrote your opinion, then "end of story" in all caps afterward. Obviously I should believe you, a random internet user, and your Victorian age conflict thesis rehashing over actual historians and economists. You obviously have it all figured out. You demonstrated that by giving examples of how the "persecution" of two Renaissance-era Christian astronomers managed to affect time backwards and play a role in the Dark ages. I am sure you are quite the star of your history classes...
rdiofreeurope 3 years ago
It is called the renaissance cause of those figures actually bringing us out of the dark ages.
The Church had control.
It is the period from the fall of the Roman empire (turning into holy roman empire) and the renaissance.
You have to be pretty delusional to think it was only economy that caused the dark ages.
It was called the dark ages cause hardly any records from that time exist, this was the time religion got a hold of power, kinda self explanatory.
Church had most power then.
Swecan76 3 years ago
You do not know what you are talking about, but just repeating something that sounds like a came from a fifth-grade textbook.
The churches were the ones building universities and hospitals. And no, the they could not record as much as in the classical age, as they didn't have the army of slaves that the Romans had to do all the dirty work so they could write scrolls. The Catholic Gutenberg's movable type printing press changed their ability to record...
rdiofreeurope 3 years ago
So we shall all conclude that the little Catholic boy (you), know it all then..
You are not at all biased against my claims since it was Catholicism that ruled during the dark ages.
Nope you know it all and the reason for the dark ages was a lack of slaves and too little gold (your words).
Give it a rest will you.
I can admit that the dark ages was not solely the reason of religion , but damn close.
You have to be pretty ignorant to claim the church wanted scientific progression.
Swecan76 3 years ago
Way to give a textbook example of the ad hominem circumstantial fallacy.
"You have to be pretty ignorant to claim the church wanted scientific progression. "
We are not in the Victorian ages anymore! That is the prevailing attitude among historians now. At least go to wikipedia to get a basic overview if you won't do any research.
Roger Bacon, the creator of the scientific method was Catholic, for heavens sake!
rdiofreeurope 2 years ago
It was neither an ad hominem or a fallacy.
Science and church does not go together and yes you really would be ignorant to think so.
That is a statement.
So what if he was a catholic, whats next shall we say he was a MAN so he was therefore correct as well?
Meaning if it was a woman then it has to be false.
You are making an argument that he was catholic and therefore all science is catholic.
I moronic argument.
How about I say I am a Swede and therefore always right, and never wrong.
Grow up.
Swecan76 2 years ago
Now you are committing a straw man fallacy. I never said all science was Catholic, I said scientists can be Catholic.
Take a logic class, I gave you a counterexample. An analogy would be if you say no women could do science, and I pointed out that Marie Curie was a woman. That does not mean men can't be scientists as well.
rdiofreeurope 2 years ago
continued: that is what a counterexample is.
yes, look up ad hominem circumstantial, what you said earlier fits it exactly.
Roger Bacon, is often considered the creater of the scientific method by many because he came long before Francis Bacon. See for example: "Roger Bacon: The Father of Experimental Science and Medieval Occultism"
and there is a good comparison of the creators in "The Place of Francis Bacon in the History of Scientific Method" on the Rice site.
rdiofreeurope 2 years ago
People like Roger Bacon, as well as more modern people such as Gregor Mendel, and N. Copernicus, were not merely Sunday church-goers, they were Catholic clergy or monks, who chose to devout their lives to God. Plenty of modern scientific groundbreakers were Catholic as well, for example Georges Lemaître (a priest) and E. T. Whittaker.
And again, read some modern history books, your conflict thesis ideas are from the Victorian Age. For one limited to it: "God and Reason in the Middle Ages"
rdiofreeurope 2 years ago
Let me end this discussion for you.
GOD IS NOT REAL.
I don't give a flying fuck about scientists that are religious.
They kept their religion OUT of science if they were believers.
They conflict , you see.
Sorry if you are religious you will never be respected in my eyes.
Yes I am that type of bastard, I can't stand people that want to be taken seriously and at the same time believe fairy tales.
You need not bother to reply.
Swecan76 2 years ago
"Roger Bacon: The Father of Experimental Science and Medieval Occultism"
I rest my case.
Let me know of a REAL scientist that also deals with occultism like it would be something real.
Francis Bacon is the father of the scientific method and yes he was religious too so don't get your knickers in a twist.
You keep talking about religion and science like it somehow goes together hand in hand.
Most scientists are not religious.
Some are, Ken Miller is an excellent example.
Swecan76 2 years ago
Actually the Universities at that time were generally funded and built by the Church, there was not research grants and things like that to fund scientists. Many scientists such as Kepler built on their religious beliefs for their scientific studies. This is well explained in the Kepler section of Stephen Hawking's book, "On the Shoulder of Giants"
Open mindedness and funding is important for scientific study, not absence of religion.
rdiofreeurope 2 years ago
Continued, In fact, since ancient times irreligious views did scientific thinkers a disservice in determining the origin of the universe. As S. Hawking put it in "A Brief History of Time": "Aristotle, and most of the other Greek philosophers, on the other hand, did not like the idea of a creation because it smacked too much of divine intervention. They believed...that [people and the world] had existed and would exist forever" (p. 8). The belief about an eternal universe would continue
rdiofreeurope 2 years ago
to be held by many scientists even for years after a Catholic priest had proposed what become known as the Big Bang theory. In fact, anti-religious prejudices continued to play a part in some of the scientists' unwavering belief of the Steady State theory of the universe over the Big Bang theory. It seemed too similar to the Biblical story of Genesis for many of them. Fred Hoyle, one of the creators and strongest proponents of the SS theory, would launch into anti-religious rants in his books
rdiofreeurope 2 years ago
i really don't understand why world even takes creationist argument's into consideration when it comes to things like stem cell research and abortion when they plainly see that the only evidence they can present is the word of a god that not everyone agrees existed at all, i would also like to point out that this was a great video, keep posting its appreciated.
kikito172 3 years ago
its actually something like less than 5%atheists in the UK and just under 50% claim to be Christian.
womble2006 3 years ago
UK atheists now 55%
Do keep up.
draagon66 3 years ago
Quality bit of Pantera there!!!
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Imaginefree69 3 years ago
I really don't see the difficulty. God really can't be disproven with science, religion and science should be interwined, with science the answer to how it happened, and God the answer to why and what our future will be. I pray to the Saints for minor things, you know that I don't think God needs to get into so to speak, and since I do, that means I'm Catholic. To your direct question: No. I don't. However, I have a few atheist friends and I respect their beliefs, because they respect mine.
GermanConquistador08 3 years ago
"I really don't see the difficulty."
I see.
Well, ahem!
Goodbye, then.
Imaginefree69 3 years ago
Alright then. Good debeate. It's hard to find a civil person on Youtube now.
GermanConquistador08 3 years ago
Also, GreenDragon23, in the last 25 years or so, MANY top scientists from Harvard,Cambridge,Yale,etc..etc..etc..etc..have come to the conclusion that science/scientific discoveries actually seem to help PROVE and SUPPORT that the Universe ( mankind of course included) was created not by "nature" but by design, design from a CREATOR. Evolutional theories etc. are more and more just not making any sense. By the way, Darwinism/evolution theory is more than LOADED with holes..in fact, absurdly so.
kevmat7 3 years ago
GreenDragon23: Evolution is totally unproven and Darwinism is full of holes. Javaman for example, was a fossil find of not the whole skull/face/body that you see in artists rendering in textbooks for 50 years or more..but only a skullcap,3 teeth and a thigh bone. Other fossils have been faked..even glued together from 2 different fossil finds made as one. The 'Cambrian Explosion' also helps disprove evolution. It goes on and on..there is FAR more evidence AGAINST evolution than for it. Study.
kevmat7 3 years ago
Each reason can be disproven.
1. Religion encourages free thought. Not about the religion itself, but of the world around them. The morals religion gave me allowed me to see the horrible things the US government is doing to the world. I found out the evil intentions of the US shortly before I found God again.
2. Islamic women actually had more freedoms in prevouis years. The Islam sexism thing is only a couple decades old.
GermanConquistador08 3 years ago
3. Religion doesn't do anything about progress. Evolution and other scientific theories still might not be the truth. Untill we make a time machine or something, we'll never TRUELY know. Besides whats the harm in having a few people not belive in what YOU teach. Thats just hypocracy.
4. Religion has it's understandings. They are taught not to be ignorant, but accepting of the differenace around them.
5. THe Abrahamic religions should all be the same, we worship the same God.
GermanConquistador08 3 years ago
Also stop using out of context muslims refereance, most of those things are only due to terror hysterial. Too many people don't know the truth about the Religion of Peace (Islam)
6. The Church discourages condoms because they discourage sex for pleasure. You should only have sex to have a baby, no other reason.
7. Just to say, my leader can worship Ronald McDonald for all I care, as long as they have a moral belief system.
8. That wouldn't be neccisary if you just stop discriminating us.
GermanConquistador08 3 years ago
Imaginefree69 3 years ago 2
I belive that religion and science are intertwined. Most things in religion can be proven with science afterall. Religion stems not from ignorance, but love. Those who never experienced religion, don't know what it feels like, so you cover it up with "all religious people are fearful and ignorant." which is far from the truth.
GermanConquistador08 3 years ago
Imaginefree69 3 years ago 2
You can't prove God with science, but can you disprove Him? No. Atheism is a newer force than religion, so it's you guys that are rocking the boay so to speak, so YOU must come up with the evidence for there not being a God. Yes religion stems from love, Love of God, love of self, and love of your brothers. Fear and ignorance were forces in the growth of religion yes, but it stems from those ideals. And I highly doubt that you were a leader of a congrigation.
GermanConquistador08 3 years ago
Imaginefree69 3 years ago 2
Imaginefree69 3 years ago
Your the one speaking nonsense. It's widely thought that early humans, Cro-magnons and even Neanderthals had some sort of religous belief, thus, atheism is fairly new conpaired to religion, so since atheists came after religion, your the ones testing the claim, so you must provide evidence. Your the procecutor in this case, and religion is the defendent, and the people are the jury, it's clear the people of the world have choosen since the dawn of man, religion is dominante.
GermanConquistador08 3 years ago
"It's widely thought ..."
Ah, yes.
Most convincing and authoritative.
"your the ones testing the claim, so you must provide evidence. Your the procecutor in this case"
Are you truly so lacking in understanding
of basic jurisprudence?
YOU claim there is a God.
I say
Please prove it.
Your move.
Imaginefree69 3 years ago
By widley thought, I mean it's been speculated and researched. ALso I am not the only one with the claim, do you admit that you claim there is no God? Yes? Then PROVE IT DAMMIT. It's an overused defence and I'm sick of it. My prove is that all of Old Gods are gone, and the three Abrahamic religions are the widest belived religions, of which grew from about 10-30 followers, to almost 3 billion. Explain that? Is it just conicedence or chance that my religion is the dominanate on earth?
GermanConquistador08 3 years ago
"By widley thought, I mean it's been speculated and researched"
I'm not interested in speculations.
Where is the research?
Why won't you produce your evidence, O Wise One?
You keep trying to weasel and twist, but it won't work.
If I claimed my neighbour was an alien from Mars
it would be up to me to prove it.
You claim to know an invisible big daddy in the sky.
You want people to believe you and obey him.
So prove it or shut up about it.
Imaginefree69 3 years ago 3
I actually saw this evidence on documentaries I saw recently on the History channel you might what you see it, Modern Marvels Bible Tech, and Quest for the Holy Grail, stuff like that. Also it's easy to disprove the Mars thing because we have not yet found life on Mars, through extensive tests and explorations of the planet. For the other post, I am a Catholic, since I pray to the Saints and confess, but all abrahamic religions has the same God, thus I belive we are all the "same" religion.
GermanConquistador08 3 years ago
"I actually saw this evidence on documentaries I saw"
Oh, well, if it's been on TV it must be true.
Yes, I see you're a real scholar there, Conquistador.
Also, we have NOT extensively explored Mars.
We've looked at the very surface of a garden-sized plot.
What ignorance you hold up as profound wisdom.
Imaginefree69 3 years ago 3
Call History channel liers if you want, a lot of history told to us might very well be false, even science might be a bunch of lies, as Napoleon once said "History is a set of lies agreed upon." But as for the Mars thing, if there was actually inteligent (In most cases for Earthlins) life anywhere besides Earth, they would have found us, or viceversa by now. I belive that God only made humans on this planet. I think "We drift alone" in the universe; I think it's no one elses unvierse but ours.
GermanConquistador08 3 years ago
Imaginefree69 3 years ago 3
No, anything is possible. I accept the possibility that my God is flase, but based on what I've seen, and experienced, and observed, I think my beliefs are correct, but I would never force them on any of my non-abramamic brothers. My logic: If our religion is the right one, then we've already saved, why is it neccisary to save others. If we trust them, and respect them, so will God, as long as they respect our beliefs, which is why I don't agree with atheism, you don't respect our beliefs.
GermanConquistador08 3 years ago
"...which is why I don't agree with atheism, you don't respect our beliefs."
I read this several times,
but I couldn't work this out:
You DO respect my atheistic perspective?
Or you do NOT respect my atheistic perspective?
Imaginefree69 3 years ago
Most atheists do not look down upon theists just because they worship a God, however some, such as Richard Dawkins, do. I respect the beliefs of my abrahamic brothers, I respect jewish and Muslims traditions and ways, and I even tolerate Hinduism, a pratical pagan religion, but it's still a valid religion and their people are friendly and kind. However, atheists who belittle religion I don't respect. I tolerate atheism, but I don't respect atheists who don't respect me and my beliefs.
GermanConquistador08 3 years ago
"Most atheists do not look down upon theists.."
Once again you have avoided responding to this query:
You DO respect my atheistic perspective?
Or you do NOT respect my atheistic perspective?
Imaginefree69 3 years ago
"..my religion is the dominanate on earth?"
Right.
Isn't it odd, how those darned Catholics
are always counted as "not really christians"
until you want to produce large numbers of christians?
Hypocrite.
Imaginefree69 3 years ago
GermanConquistador08:
"religion is dominante."
More like religion dominantes over ignorance.
KOHABAEB 3 years ago 3
Why is that. Provide evidence if you make a claim. Religion tries to eliminate ignorance. Not promote it.
GermanConquistador08 3 years ago
"Provide evidence if you make a claim."
The evidence is bible. Bible don't teach anything about physics, biochemistry and science.
To use god or bible to describe the unknown - That's the ignorance. The existence of god is nothing more than Easter Bunny. You thiests spreaded this god-is-real-ignorance almost like cancer.
No offense.
KOHABAEB 3 years ago 2
Offense taken actually. GOd is like an Easter bunny? I'm sorry but that is why I make these kind of statements, atheism is hateful, ignorant of religion, and deserves the crictism right back at them. So YOUr arguement against theists that that it spreads the truth (God is real) and if it isn't true it doesn't hurt anyone jsut to say, and it doesn't teach science. So I guess morals, good jugdement, and ethics aren't important, more important than sicence anyway right? Worse arguement I ever heard
GermanConquistador08 3 years ago
"I make these kind of statements, atheism is hateful, ignorant of religion, and deserves the crictism right back at them."
You accuse atheism for being hateful, ignorant of religion and deserves the crictism just because I speak frankly and stating the facts? Oh please, you're speaking the bigotry. Most of atheists I've met is more intelligent and nice people than theists.
KOHABAEB 3 years ago 3
"So YOUr arguement against theists that that it spreads the truth (God is real)"
Actually, no. It spreads the lie, false hope and fear. You have no evidence to support the bible as truth all but bible itself. Men written this book. Men created the god. God is not real. You should be know this better.
KOHABAEB 3 years ago 3
"if it isn't true it doesn't hurt anyone jsut to say,"
Religion impedes the freedom, promotes racism, hatred for homosexuals, facism and more crime with less burden.
Religion is more harm to humanity and earth. And you know it.
KOHABAEB 3 years ago
"So I guess morals, good jugdement, and ethics aren't important, more important than sicence anyway right?"
Conscience is much better than morals, good jugdement and ethics based on primitive bible. The best thing is: we don't need the religion to have the conscience. we all born with it.
Bible teachs nothing all but false hope of the afterlife.
Afterlife is nonsense.
KOHABAEB 3 years ago
"Worse arguement I ever heard"
Says the guy who use Circular Reasoning fallacy too much.
KOHABAEB 3 years ago
Reason #6 exists because all religions know they will fall down when examined. So there is a cooperation of religions in this one area. Every religion knows that their religion can't stand scrutiny any more then someone else's religion. If one religion could invoke science to disprove another while protecting itself from the same scrutiny, they would do it. But they all know that they all fall under scrutiny. So there is a silent "agreement" not to scrutinize. Thus protecting themselves.
christo930 3 years ago
the bible says the planet was covered in water. this is unsupported by any study of science.
Shadrach76 3 years ago
Atheists are focusing on religions which are ideologies. Islam especially having a social agenda. But the problem is not with people's minds. It's in their hearts. Love unites. Hate divides. United we stand. Divided we fall.
wurlybird9 3 years ago
"Well now the Bible never said anything about the earth being flat or the sun revolving around the earth. That was made up by the catholics and other people of the time!!"
That is wrong, and is part of the rewritten history from the Victorian Age by anti-religious people to form the conflict thesis which is no longer accepted by mainstream historians (but still is popular among laypeople). Aristotle and Ptolemy made up the sun revolving around the Earth.
The earth being flat is just a myth
rdiofreeurope 3 years ago
continued: in fact it was the #2 myth listed in the Historical Association common myths of history pamphlet. Almost all educated people and sailors knew the world was round because you saw the tops of things first, and everything else as they got closer.
According to wikipedia the flat earth myth was popularized by the tales of Christopher Columbus, when he was made a mythologised as a hero centuries later.
Everyone thought he would fall off the edge of the world or something, the tale goes.
rdiofreeurope 3 years ago
the bible says the planet is built on a firmament.
Shadrach76 3 years ago
First of all, the Bible is not a science book, it is a guide to getting to heaven. I am not a young earth creationist, I was correcting a common misconception perpetuated by Victorian-aged atheist propagandists.
Secondly, let's be accurate here. The Bible was not written in English, so going too deeply into the English meaning is not going to be helpful. The Bible used the ancient Hebrew word now written רָקִיעַ which was much less precise and can mean an expanse.
rdiofreeurope 3 years ago