It's rediculous when theists ask atheists about things that haven't been discovered yet and then explain everything that can't be explained solely because we haven't found the answer by saying "Well then if you can't explain it then that means GOD made it!"
Thats how religion started. Right there. The unexplained lightning in the sky was caused by God when he was angry a few centuries ago. Then science came into being. And why would God make science, which is his REAL worst enemy by the way.
@TheDragon2185 Ofcourse you haven't. You don't even know what YOUR religion says. You haven't read the Bible and it's pretty obvious. You're not familiar with the stories, the genocide, the prejudice. The reason you believe in your religion is because you haven't read your holy book.
The "God" of the Bible is a maniac who murders people for absurd reasons. If he hates homosexuals so much, why does he even create them? If he hates atheists so much, why doesn't he provide undeniable evidence?
@flexpape If by "he" you mean "God" then I agree, because to be a maniac, one has to exist first. "God" is a fictional character. And your if defence for the "exact reason for genocide" is that "humans did it to themselves" then think about it for a second. If you believe "God" created us and everything else, then he created flaws in us. So it's his fault that we are this way and punishing us for his mistake would be absolutely moronic.
@FreeFromWar Firstly, i am sick of the comment " fictional" secondly genocide was quite justified. Since you don't know what religion is so u have no idea what happened in genocide. Its Quite grotesque to watch you guys mock and make fun of religion when we have more proof of the existence of God than u can imagine. I am baffled that u have seen this video and still.... The basic principle of engineering the causality principle Is the living proof of the existence of God what else u need lol.
@flexpape "genocide was quite justified" please support that statement. How was it justified? If I create a toy and intentionally make it flawed and then when the toy doesn't do what I want it to, I get angry and destroy it, wouldn't you call me insane? That's how the "God" character is.
The principle of causility? Are you sure you know what you're talking about? If you were to assume there is a "God", why does it have to be the God of YOUR religion? There are thousands of "God" concepts.
@TheDragon2185 "the bible is the only one that makes sense" you believe that because you've been indoctrinated with an irrational presupposition that the Bible is the infallible word of an all powerful deity. Everyone believes their religion is the true religion. If they didn't believe it, they wouldn't practice it. Saying your religion is the onle one that "makes sense" is an assertion from ignorance, since you've not even studied other religions. You're being hypoctitical & you don't even know
You really don't know anything about your own religion. Throughout history people have been murdered in the name of your religion. Christians are prejudice towards other religions, atheists and homosexuals. Christianity makes people bigoted, although most people pick and choose what they like to follow from their religion but it doesn't change your religion. People practice burning witches, being sexist, racist and prejudice even if YOU may not do it, there are others who do because of the Bible
@TheDragon218 Religion creates sexism, racism, war, hatred, discrimination, overpopulation, irrational behavior, bigotry, slavery, burning of witches, stoning people to death, hindrance in medical and technological development.. And all of this over something that has no proof or reason to believe in to begin with. Do you think it's really worth it? Being irrational and ignorant is not something to be proud of. Demand proof for what you believe. Faith is gullibility and it makes people prejudice
@TheDragon2185 "nobody will know the truth until they die" lol, when you die, you're dead. That's it. Your brain stops functioning. It's like how you were before you were born. Nothingness. The concept of afterlife was fabricated by the authors of the new testament and it's extremely absurd. You can't imagine there not being an afterlife because you have been thoroughly indoctrinated with that concept and you have others to solidify your irrational beliefs, but there is no evidence to back it up
@TheDragon2 "you can talk about unicorns all you want but you still have no solid evidence" lol, you don't have any solid evidence of "God" either. Oh and by the way, the Bible mentions unicorns in many verses. It's sad that you're not even familiar with your own book that you use as guidelines for your life. It's one of many reasons why you believe in it because you're not familiar with how absurd it is. It also mentions talking donkeys, talking snakes, 10 headed dragons etc. You should read it
@TheDragon2185 "my point is that you cannot prove God doesnt exist" I agree, the same way you can't prove that Big Foot doesn't exist but the default position isn't belief until disproved, it's disbelief until proved. "God" is simply an answer people use when they can't explain something, in this case how the universe began. It's a nice story, but it's irrational and absurd. People believe it because they're indoctrinated with this concept.
@TheDragon21 "i said everything in the universe was set into place perfect"
There are over 200 billion observed galaxies as of 2011 and each of them contains billions of planets. Out of those planets about 500 QUINTILLION planets are in the habitable zone (same distance from their parent star as earth from the sun) so there are 500 quintillion planets in the seemingly "perfect" place and it's very likely that there is life on other planets, we just aren't able to reach as far to confirm it. YET
@TheDragon2185 lol, I don't even know where to begin... "i never said the world was perfect" so you understand the world isn't "perfect" now think about this, why would a "perfect" being create an imperfect world? Think about it, "God" who is "all knowing," created man KNOWING man will "sin" but he creates them anyway and on top of that he decides to torture them for eternity for their "sins" when it's Gods fault that he created such flawed human beings in the first place. Isn't that stupid?
@TheDragon2185 I'm sorry you that you think oxygen isn't demonstrable but it is. The same way gravity can't be seen but can be demonstrated. Your "God" is simply an imaginary concept with no evidence to back it up with. It's simply an assumption made from ignorance by ancient men who had a primitive understanding of the world.
Oh and do you seriously believe the world is "perfect"? Please don't change the subject and provide evidence of "God" without saying "it couldn't have been any other way"
@TheDragon2185 If I told you that an invisible flying unicorn exists, would it be reasonable for me to ask you to prove that it doesn't exist? It's not reasonable for me to ask for you to disprove anything and everything I make up and it's impossible to disprove. It's your responsibility since you're the one making the claim to prove that "God" exists. But you can't. It's just like the invisible unicorn, you can't see it, touch it, smell it or demonstrate it. It's just an imaginary character
@18dvine I don't like to argue religion because it is all tedious and uncertain, however what you said is more along the lines of morals. If "god" loves everyone as his followers claim he does then why would he wish suffering upon any non believers?
I feel sorry for athiests who believe that when you die, you just become extinct. It is sad to know that when they die, they will really be standing before God, begging and pleading for mercy, as they are cast into hell for enternal pain and suffering. For all you athiests, it is never to late to come to Jesus. I personally don't want you all to find out when you die. Repent and turn to Jesus. IT makes all the difference in the world.
Ask questions if u have any thoughts or concerns.
einstein rejected atheism , the grreatest scientist of all time ridiculed atheists as being to closed minded, to deny the existence of god without proof is not science and goes against rational thought ..
@saintpine if you read my comment with your brain ,you would of relised i didnt say einstein believed in jesus or a personal god ,einstein made it very clear to atheists that he wasnt one of them and it really annoyed him to be labelled as one, and he wasnt an agnoostic either ,he acknowledged that a god must exist , agnostics dont ..
@bestinfadel said: he acknowledged that a god must exist
False.
Anyway, simply because he was one of the most famous scientists ever, does not qualify his opinion in this issue because:
It is very unlikely that he ever did any studies to discover the possibilities of deities.
He lived in a society where it would be very indelicate and social suicidal to make negative comments on religious issues, it’s more likely he would say what you want to hear rather than risk his career.
@saintpine sure lol,i really doubt it,in those days, it wasnt social suicide in the early and mid twentith century , einstein made those comments late in his life about atheists btw , atheism was a popular movement by many people at that time including scientists but einstein didnt want to be labelled as one at all ..what makes a person qualified in belief in god ? i think einsteins opinion is valid why not ? thats rediculous and completely ignorant to say , how foolish
@bestinfadel "i think einsteins opinion is valid why not ? "
You are quote mining his opinion anyway.
I know through my own experience, I had compulsory Christian religion and worshiping all my school life, no other solution was contemplated. they had hidded evolution and the Big bang from me, I heard of it the first time 25 years later.
I was an atheist at the age of 14 but felt safe to come out only 30 years later. 20 years ago, It would ruin my career to come out.
@saintpine so you blame christianity but not the people who raised you , oh well , darwin was a christian so was the guy who came up with the big bang ,he was a priest , you were unfortunate to have grown up in such a fundamentalist environment which you should be blaming not the teachings of christ, you can believe in religon or just god and still believe in evolution and the big bang , i think atheism is a belief also which assumes there is no god bcoz science cant prove it ,thats faith....
Sure you can believe anything without evidance, and that takes faith.
I wonder how much faith it took me, without a scientific study, to dismiss the bible only due to the ridiculous stupidity in the bible.
Do you seriously think this took me faith ?
It can take faith to trust science, by trusting the system that qualifies it, but I'm not forced to believe, I do not have the capabilities of understanding everything, infact what I don't understand, I don't believe.
@saintpine most people dont understand evolution and biology and just assume thats how life came about , they just trust in science which is faith , you just have personal issues with christianity and the people that raised you ,so you use this to justify your reasons for becoming an atheist ,not on any evidence or scientific facts , you have just assumed if christianity is false there must not be a god , an atheists cup is full , your better of being an agnostic ,which leaves you open
I had no issue with religion when I was young, other than having to be forced to study bullshit, just as I would have an issue to be forced to study maths, geography of whatever.
I never came out, so it's quite unlikely that I could have any issues with Christianity.
I understand that it must be difficult for a brainwashed person to even consider that talking snakes, Adam and eve, hell, zombies could sound like fairy tales to someone.
@saintpine where i come from im free to live my life the way i want , im free to believe in what i want , i would hate to be living a lie ,this would make me go insane , no amount of money , no career would be important enough for me to live a lie , i would rather be homeless and happy than rich and sad
"most people dont understand evolution and biology and just assume thats how life came about , they just trust in science which is faith "
Quite possibile.
Most people don't read or study their religion, so they believe for tradition, by faith, try and have a compulsory serious critical analysis of Christianity and you will have it reduced by 50% in a few generations.
@bestinfadel said: "your better of being an agnostic ,which leaves you open"
3.
I'm taking a position, I find no evidence, and whatever evidence Christians propose are simply laughable and naive.
It's not a 50/50% possibility, the Christian god possibility is ridiculously low, that I can hardly seriously take it in consideration, so why not call myself an atheist ?
I'm am thankful to my studies on the history of the bible and the logical sounding science to have simply confirmed by beliefs.
@saintpine what you seem to be confused about ,is the topic , which atheism and theism , what im explaining to you is,to be an atheist requires just as much faith as in religon , you have no proof there is no god like a theist has no proof there is a god , if christianity is bulshit to you that is perfectly fine , if you are living in denial and cannot express what you believe in is rather sad ,dont worry about talking snakes , you seem to have bigger problems at hand ..
the universe is proof enough that there is a god , so get over it you bunch of nerds, how do expect to get laid if all you talk about is the universe and wether there is a god or or not , so if im wrong and there is no god, who cares, its not like you can say " i told you so hahaha" can you lol
It's a vicious circle, in those days the romans chase the earlier chistinans for not beleving in there gods. later the crusades, and now the protestants. he say there seeking in god. or gods
Reject science my friends...the bible guy really knows what he is talking about....Jesus rose from the dead....it's true, ...walking on water? no sweat... turning stone into bread? ..easy peasy....Magic works better than the laws of nature every time. Now let us pray together that the human race will not destroy it's self over this silly little argument... not unless it involves the second coming ok ...sheesh!
i cant believe he actually called upon Jesus and his resurrection as a proof in the existence of god
he took claims from 2 groups that supposedly saw Jesus alive which is complete bullshit. any1 can say anything back then becuz there would've been no documentation claiming that they were telling the truth
Dr creig is such an idiot his basic concept goes like this well I"m just gonna believe in the bible & jesus being god till a better explantion comes about to disprove the bible.
that's like a person saying well I dont know what causes thunder, so I am gonna keep believing in the god of thunder till a better explantion comes about to explain thunder.
that's how stupid fundies are; they think in terms from a narrow minded faith.
Actually...one of C'anity'sbiggest problems IS that C'tians think god talks to them. How many times I have heard some arrogant C'tiantell me what THEY thought and then say that "God told me..." Uh huh. If you ask me, it is pretty hard to trust a group of people who have abandoned their own reality to 'serve' an invisible man that they always tend to mold in their own image.
When toddlers do that, it is called PRETENDING. Religion is playtime for toddlers in adult bodies. Hence...BEWARE!!!
You have to follow the evidence!!!!! Just think rationally about the question. How can they disagree with modern science. The true shall set you free. Science is showing more evidence for intelligent design than just random coincidence coming into place for the big bang to occur. And what about the DNA? The amount of information encoded in the building block of cells? Where did that information come from? It screams intelligent design.
he knew all that has & ever will happen, .. long before anyone existed , knowing most of us would question him…resulting in our hell torment forever.
Then, after watching this debacle a million lifetimes over & over, he becomes yet more angry at his creations, so he keeps destroying & creating & destroying.
Will he ever become sufficiently omniscient to realize his own inane, pointless stupidity ?
I can answer the title of this video without all that convoluted straw man arguments in one word. Atheism. Job done. I'm off to solve the middle east problem with the same word oh and then all the other places where religion has been poisoning peoples minds for centuries. Back in a minute.
draw near to God and he will draw near to you - probably the best proof in this video. If you go seeking him with that true intent in your heart, you will know what I mean.
@aciddmc "If you go seeking him with that true intent in your heart, you will know what I mean." Of course, all you need to do is disregard everything that contradicts the existance of the Biblical God.
Oh, and all those verses such as selling your daughter into slavery and stoning to death rape victims and killing rebellious kids and killing whole towns if ONE PERSON doesn't believe in the God of the Bible...Want me to continue? Or would you like the false prophecies?
@kwiksteen it's not about being scared your loved ones arent in heaven if you don't believe its supposed to be about love of God, not fear. athiests always assume stupid shit like that "they just hope their loved ones are in a better place" - bullshit, maybe most idiots hope that but true believers know better than to care about that.
@aciddmc I know my statement sounds kind of cold. that is just my opinion. i use to believe such things myself. it takes many years to accept reality. IMO.
or would you all like to be computers taking command prompts?
the greater good the lord Jesus Christ has given you the power to choose over good or evil....seems like an easy decision,doesnt it? so why are you continuing to reject what is holy?
Again Debate over the unprovable the unknowable continue with the same shit as it always does and the whole point of life and time is lost on debate over egos and braggottey nottey blottey ddoooeeyy meaningless huey.
Its not about God!
The Bible is clear.
It is about YOU.
IF YOU do not love one another you cannot love God,
WHY?
GOD is LOVE. Stop being a big ass know it all. Learn to take care of one another Or by God you'll wish I didn't breath life into you, for I said "you are gods! "
if god is omniscience, he is able to know what the future is like, it is as if he know we will sin and he must take us to hell, but he still create man, hoping man to change.
but he already know we will go hell, isn't it as if he creates us to let us go to hell?
that is why satan wants us to ask these questions that will lead us to destruction.
i know what you are thinking,ive asked the same questions...but it only leads to despair.....please i beg of you all accept the lord and all of your questions will be answered when we are in heaven.
seriously..you dont understand the pain and suffering people get..cancer patient...starvation..just because you live in a confortable environment doesnt make you more pure than others
@Shaunthesushi also dont take my words as gospel...read the holy bible and open your heart to the truth :)your answers about death and needless despair on this plain we call life lie there.
This wasn't a debate, it was a slaughter. The theist gets up and puts forth complete bullshit that has no real point, and then the atheist calls him on it.
There is no proof of god/gods, until there is there shouldn't be any more debates. The entire burden of proof lies with the believer to show how his beliefs are correct.
@13shadowwolf Actually the burden lies with the unbeliever because when judgement day comes you've gotta work out what on earth you're gonna do. Christians constantly try to 'proove' the existence of God, but there will never be 100% factual proof because a big part is called faith, plus the fact that if something is 100% proof there would always be a group of people who deny it. I pray that one day God touches your heart.
Which god? Allah? Odin? Bob the All-mighty? the FSM?
What if the entire point of all religions is an "idiot litmus test"? The real god created humans to be independent thinkers and decided to make religions to weed out the idiots who would believe bullshit without evidence. That way in the afterlife the idiots could be easily identified by the fact that they believed in something that had no proof whatsoever.
@Africker "a big part is called faith" Faith is belief without evidence. So you have no evidence.
"when judgement day comes you've gotta work out what on earth you're gonna do." If YOU are WRONG on the god, then YOU will have to explain why you went AGAINST the TRUE GOD. If I''m wrong, then the true one got no special treatment AND I used the knowledge HE ENDOWED MAN WITH to make a CONCLUSION based on the evidence HE PROVIDED.
@wukester That has to be one of the stupidest comments ever made. If we don't accept that the matter we come into contact with exists then we can make no claims about anything at all.
@13shadowwolf Actually you can make a claim about anything, including that we come into contact with matter to some degree, but then you have the burden of proof that matter exists. I have a hard time believing that reality is nothing more than a dream. What makes a smart claim from a stupid claim is that you have logic to account for a smart claim. What is the logic that supports your claim that matter exists?
@wukester You misunderstood the point. without the acceptance of our senses telling us that matter exists we have no basis for any claim beyond "I exist as some level".
There were some studies done at Harvard University in the 60's or 70's based in sensory deprivation. Anyone who was put into the sens-dep. tank started having severe hallucinations within minutes. They came to the conclusion that the human brain evolved to interpret outside stimuli. Which would require matter to exist.
@13shadowwolf What evidence do you want to support the existence of God? Well if you are so "sure" that God doesn't exist, please give me good, non-bullshit, answers for the following questions. How was the universe so fined tuned to such an astronomical number? Why is it that 93% of the worlds population believes in a single, all powerful omnipotent being in one sense or another? Who is it for you to say Jesus Christ wasn't real, when there are records of His existence and His rising?
@pimper347 Any phsical, repeateable, and testable evidence would work.
The universe wasn't tuned. It exists as it does, life evolved to function within the existing perameters.
That is not evidence for anything but other than religion is an outgrowth of evolved group dynamic functions.
Just because it was written that jebebus existed doesn't mean anyting, after all superman is written to have come from Krypton. The bible is simply a badly written work of fiction.
@13shadowwolf But if you say, "the universe always existed," does that mean you, as an atheist, doesn't believe the Big Bang Theory, which is the top theory, with a load of evidence that thats how the universe exists, if your saying the universe always existed, that would go agaist the law of Cause and Effect, meaning something must come from something else, if you believe that, but do not believe it in the sense of the Universe, therefore the beggining of the universe wasnt cause by science
@pimper347 You show clear misunderstanding of the Big Bang Theory. It only claims that there was a singularity that "started" this universe, it makes no claim about pre-existing matter or energy; other than to assume that there must have been pre-existing matter and/or energy in order for the singularity to have existed.
There is a mass/energy field that is flowing into and out of existence in every atom, all the time. Causality is being re-investigated because it's "Laws" are in question.
Actually there is no evidence that Jesus actually existed. There is no mention of him anywhere, in any of the roman or rabbinical records during the time he was supposed to have been alive. The first mention of his is not until some 30 - 40 years after his supposed death. The whole story of Jesus and his birth, life and death is identical to dozens of myths and legends and other religions going back thousands of years. Jesus was made up because the existing Jewish God was just so terrible.
history is written by the victor, I dont think the romans would want to put a story of how they were afraid of a carpenters son overthrowing their whole empire,for example do you remember hearing someone named Tesla in your science class, probably not, he is the real reason light bulbs and even electricity were possible in every home for his discoveries in AC current, why havent you heard of him, because remember that statement from above.
debate and arguments are what ignites war, not religion... atheists who say so are just FUCKED UP IDIOTIC DIMWITS. and i don't mean to generalize, i have atheist friends who do not act rudely to others with spiritual beliefs.
this is an ironic comment. isn't "morons" an insult, and rude? and why are you even commenting if you think no comments will ever matter to anyone else?
No. Morons is an explanation of the behavior of how LOTS people are reacting on here. Behavior that is uncalled for that shows stupidity for what it is and cannot grasp onto the idea of a REAL debate.
I just wanted to make a statement of observation that is clear for everyone to see. That is all really.
not 3 and 5 I would gladly become religious if there was some evidence but it all points the other way. 5 well the comments obviously matter to some ppl or else they wouldnt be debating. if i was having a conversation with my mother about something that only had to do me and her well its important to at least 2 people. Me and her. these "debates" in comments spring up among strangers so for every person who comments i'm sure there is at least one other who doesnt who takes an interest.
The thing is that god is unprovable, and it is impossible to prove him. So with that we have to realize that we physically proved things from the ground up, with prof and theroies. So it seems to me to believe a crude guess of ancient men in caves, whom by proven facts made the bible atleast 300 years after the death of "Christ", so they never meet christ directly or meet a person whom meet christ directly- so not only could the stories be plausable but they could not truthful to the fullest.
People don't need to have a Phd to understand why gods do not exist. It is common sense, and I'm not sorry to say that those who belief in imaginary friends even though they are shown evidence against it are dumb imbeciles.
i agree with you carrotsan that is hypocritical. the christian guy in this debate said him self nothing can only come from nothing, so if god came from nothing, that would make him nothing. in this guys point of view at least
i love the "something can't come from nothing" argument. if the universe NEEDED to be created, then obviously so did the god that would've created the universe.
I love Mr. Craig, but he's setting himself up. He says Jews didnt have dying and rising Gods, which is true, but the Pagan Romans did, which is who popularized Paulinian Christianity. He then says the Disciples died for the belief in Jesus divinity, but that isnt technically correct. They were actually legally executed for other reasons like rape and molestation, but the real motive believed Jesus. This being the case, they couldnt deny Jesus to get out of it even if they wanted.
Why is God exclusive to infinite existence? Why does time 'need' to have been created? If God can always exist, why can't Time, Matter, and Energy have always existed?
Because of the way he states it as 'undeniable fact'. It's very deniable.
There are plenty of alternative theories'. Stating that the universe 'needed' a creator as if he had some sort of evidence it is true is hyperbole and supposition.
He's making stuff up and acting like it's fact instead of the guess that it is. There's no evidence that supports his view.
There isn't a 'need' for the universe to have been 'created', it's just one possible theory, and one of the least likely at best.
That's an interesting philosophical, but it doesn't support the common perception of what God is.
It doesn't make the idea of God as an intelligent being any more valid. It's just the hyperbole physics version of God, the natural laws that led to the existence of things as they are.
Not an intelligent being or literal thing. The metaphorical God of Einstein, not the God of religion. Not God that has consciousness, demands worship, and defines laws and morals for men.
look around you mr.atheist do you see how in order the universe is? an intelligent God is the only explanation their is no way the planets aline every some odd years just by chance their is no way our planet revolves around the sun just at a safe distance not to burn us its no way our facial features are like they are our body works like it does LIFE PERIOD and the way things in existence are constructed is only ythe work of an intelligent being
The work of an 'intelligent being' is not the only possible explanation. It's not even a plausible one. There is no evidence to support any such thing.
The Universe is not as 'ordered' as you imply. It's a very chaotic place, full of supernovas, black holes, all sorts of strange and dangerous energies and phenomenon.
This includes the Earth. It is not 'perfect for us' even humans must struggle to survive. The Earth is a dangerous place, and we adapted to life on it, not the other way around.
is it not possible for an intelligent being to have created the universe??? as primitive as man is we went from rubbing sticks to make fire TO THE FUCKING MOON?anything is possible nigga . also why is oxygen unique to our planet? i can ask 100 questions but my point is there is a God im sure of that what im not sure of is the dynamics and reasons he exists and what is the purpose of well...........purpose
It's just so incredibly unlikely it's not worth considering without a great deal more evidence.
Oxygen is not unique to our planet. The top four most common elements in the Universe are Hydrogen, Helium, Oxygen, and Carbon.
Oxygen and Carbon are the two most important for life.
Why does the Universe and existence need reason or purpose? It is good for an individual to find them in their own life, but they are not necessary for existence or the Universe.
It's not just our planet. This isn't remotely true. You're comparing the limited scope of our solar system to the expanse of the Universe.
There is no evidence that our planet is the only one like it in the Universe. It may be true that there is no other Earth in the Universe, but that does not mean there are no other Earth like planets anywhere else either.
Why does the Universe need reason and purpose? That's pure speculation with absolutely no factual basis whatsoever.
bottom line everything has purpose and reason. asking why does the universe needs it is contradictary well heres my question what the hell makes the universe exempt from anything else in existence? thats not speculation its a very real question that deserves respect and attention
Okay. Prove it. Prove that the Universe needs purpose and reason.
If you can assert it with such certainty, then surely you must be able to provide proof and evidence of this claim.
If not, you're just guessing and making an assumption.
So, go ahead. Prove it.
Not every idea is equally valid and deserving of respect. Just because there are two differing opinions does not mean that each opinion is equally deserving of the same respect and attention.
Atheist beliefs? There is no such thing as an Atheist belief system, there is no scripture, no dogma, no Bible, and no cohesive group. Atheism is a statement of individual belief, not a religion.
Scientific beliefs are another issue. Science must have evidence to support it. Science is far more grounded in proof and evidence than Faith based beliefs.
In order for something to be Scientific it must be proven. Faith only requires that you believe it.
athiest do have beleifs you beleive their is no God and you beleive in science am i right or wrong??? and another thing i agree with science and shit but that still doesnt push aside God like what your trying to do. Science is grounded in proof of things that one can see smell touch or feel God is something totally beyond any of that and dont try and tell me about faith mr.athiest faith has nothing to do with beleiving it is KNOWING without a shadow of a doubt of something in my case that is God
No, Atheists have 'a' belief. That's it, just one. Atheists are not required to agree with each other about anything else.
I do not believe in Science, is my job, and I can prove that it is correct. It's not something I just believe in, it's something I have experienced and have both witnessed and proven myself that it works.
The problem here is you can't know something you can't prove. You can only assume it.
Know implies a level of certainty that is irrational without proof or evidence.
We have quite a bit of room to move about without burning up. The distance of the Earth, and all the planets from the Sun varies. Our orbit is not circular but elliptical. Our distance from the Sun varies.
The planets aligning is inevitable considering no two orbit at the same speed. No designer is needed, just enough time for it to occur.
Facial features and bodily function prove nothing of God, and support that we adapted to life on this planet, not that it was 'made for us'.
look dude their is no other explanation for existence something can never come from nothing evolution cant be proved either who is to say that those bones are just extint great apes that were killed off by either neanderthal man or us homo sapiens and my point was that why is it that our planet just so happens to be the lucky one that isnt to hot or too cold for life? saying their isnt a God brings up unessesary questions that just leads to the answer being ANOTHER QUESTIon
Wrong. I don't believe in Evolution, it's a proven fact.
The Theory of Evolution is not a guess.
Theories have to be tested, verified by multiple sources, have consistent results, and not contradict existing evidence. They are not guesses or suppositions.
You wouldn't walk off the edge of a building and expect to not fall because Gravity is just a Theory would you?
Biology does not work without Evolution as it's framework. It's been proven correct beyond doubt. No Scientists refute it.
Evolution is NOT a fact its what you beleive unless one has a time machine we dont know if we evolved from apes like i said those fossil bones could just be an exinct species of ape Evolution has never been proven you cant compare evolution to gravity my nigga
I am a Biology major, a Zoologist, an actual scientist, and this is my field.
Evolution is a proven fact, and no Biologist's job is possible without it's framework. No Scientist disputes Evolution Theory. The claim that there are Scientist who argue against it's validity is a myth.
It's been proven, not just with the fossil record, but also DNA and other evidence. Evolution can be observed as well as practically applied. I have studied and witnessed it first hand.
I know a good deal about Evolution my friend and its not a fact its just highlly accepted by scientist and force fed to our kids in school (which is another issue) that dna you speak of is a good excuse BUT theirs a big BUT to that we and those fossils and other great apes share majority percentage of dna TRUE ill give you that but what about the other percentages WHERE DID IT GO scientist say it divided millions of years ago but thats also a big ass geuss
No you don't. This post is proof that you don't. There is a great deal more evidence for evolution beyond DNA and Fossils.
It can be actively observed in living plants and animals today, applied in agriculture for both crops and livestock, and studied in non fossilized remains of plants and animals as well.
There is no guessing in the Theory of Evolution, it's been proven beyond doubt to be true. Creationists are a crazy lunatic fringe group beyond the reach of reason and evidence.
Yeah and what abut the Quaran did an ape write that or maybe a pig, You anti God people should read the Bible cause you well learn that its like over six hundred years old and back then they knew more about God then we do and the Bible is the Word of Allah and Jousua and Adam even ate the apple that NEwton sat on.
We practically apply Evolution in a number of fields outside of Biology. Agriculture, Engineering, Computer Sciences, Medicine, and numerous other fields.
Evolution is more proven and understood than gravity.
We know much more about it, how it works, what it is, why it works, and have a much greater understanding of it.
The only thing we really know about Gravity is that it exists and we have a very limited understanding of how it works. We don't know why it works, or even what it really is.
the theory of evolution leaves to many questions and cannot be proven wrong or right just like what you say about God. Evolution can only be studied through fossils and dna and we both know evolution takes millions of years to happen hence the term change over time and it goes back to what i said we dont have a time machine to pin point what changed in whatever species or if it changed at all everything your saying has too many questions following your explanation for shit
What questions? You're claiming that it does, but you're leaving out what they are.
Evolutionary changes do not necessarily take millions of years to occur. They are generational, and constant.
Macro and Micro Evolution are the same thing, the only difference is time scale. The small changes of Micro Evolution add up over time to create Macro Evolutionary changes.
We don't need a time machine to prove Evolution. There is more than enough evidence to verify it today.
You're buying into propaganda and misrepresentation of the real facts. I am an actual expert, Evolution Theory is literally part of my job to know this. My work directly involves it.
The people you're learning about Evolution from are either blatant liars using misinformation to promote a religious agenda, ignorant morons, or crazed fringe lunatics who wouldn't know a Mammoth fossil from a Cyclops skeleton.
The people you're getting this stuff from have no idea what they are talking about.
my question is why are conditions allowing us to exist only on this planet? we adapted is a good excuse but again thats a geuss too we cant travel time so nobody knows why im assuming yes but you are as well the evolutionary shit is a geuss cause like i keep saying ape fossil records may be similar to our own but that doesnt mean everything evolves thats just a conclusion by scientist that may not even be true but i will say its a good conclusion only theirs no way to prove it as fact
A religious god is dilusion, a personal god is schizophrenia, end of story.
CrackersL 2 months ago
It's rediculous when theists ask atheists about things that haven't been discovered yet and then explain everything that can't be explained solely because we haven't found the answer by saying "Well then if you can't explain it then that means GOD made it!"
Thats how religion started. Right there. The unexplained lightning in the sky was caused by God when he was angry a few centuries ago. Then science came into being. And why would God make science, which is his REAL worst enemy by the way.
TheLyricsGuy 2 months ago
I hope I live to see the day that science discovers the true source of how the universe was made and theists shutting the fuck up.
"What evidence do you have that shows God DOESN'T exist MISTER?!?!?"
Really? What the fuck kind of question is that. That's something a fucking 6 year old would ask about Santa Clause.
TheLyricsGuy 2 months ago
If God is suchh a miracle, then how the **** does every jack tripper believe in God?
SuperJackF 3 months ago
This man is a fool lol talking about locality and higgs boson and other things , stil don't believe in God LLOLL.... CMON MAN Ape much?
flexpape 3 months ago
@TheDragon2185 things are added in bible but that does not prove that God is not there. This is a point thta idiot atheists fail to realize..
flexpape 3 months ago
@TheDragon2185 Ofcourse you haven't. You don't even know what YOUR religion says. You haven't read the Bible and it's pretty obvious. You're not familiar with the stories, the genocide, the prejudice. The reason you believe in your religion is because you haven't read your holy book.
The "God" of the Bible is a maniac who murders people for absurd reasons. If he hates homosexuals so much, why does he even create them? If he hates atheists so much, why doesn't he provide undeniable evidence?
FreeFromWar 6 months ago
@FreeFromWar mate first of all He is not maniac and their is an exact reason for genocide and homosexuals. Come on wanna ask why ?
flexpape 3 months ago
@flexpape If by "he" you mean "God" then I agree, because to be a maniac, one has to exist first. "God" is a fictional character. And your if defence for the "exact reason for genocide" is that "humans did it to themselves" then think about it for a second. If you believe "God" created us and everything else, then he created flaws in us. So it's his fault that we are this way and punishing us for his mistake would be absolutely moronic.
FreeFromWar 3 months ago
@FreeFromWar Firstly, i am sick of the comment " fictional" secondly genocide was quite justified. Since you don't know what religion is so u have no idea what happened in genocide. Its Quite grotesque to watch you guys mock and make fun of religion when we have more proof of the existence of God than u can imagine. I am baffled that u have seen this video and still.... The basic principle of engineering the causality principle Is the living proof of the existence of God what else u need lol.
flexpape 3 months ago
@flexpape "genocide was quite justified" please support that statement. How was it justified? If I create a toy and intentionally make it flawed and then when the toy doesn't do what I want it to, I get angry and destroy it, wouldn't you call me insane? That's how the "God" character is.
The principle of causility? Are you sure you know what you're talking about? If you were to assume there is a "God", why does it have to be the God of YOUR religion? There are thousands of "God" concepts.
FreeFromWar 3 months ago
@TheDragon2185 "the bible is the only one that makes sense" you believe that because you've been indoctrinated with an irrational presupposition that the Bible is the infallible word of an all powerful deity. Everyone believes their religion is the true religion. If they didn't believe it, they wouldn't practice it. Saying your religion is the onle one that "makes sense" is an assertion from ignorance, since you've not even studied other religions. You're being hypoctitical & you don't even know
FreeFromWar 6 months ago
You really don't know anything about your own religion. Throughout history people have been murdered in the name of your religion. Christians are prejudice towards other religions, atheists and homosexuals. Christianity makes people bigoted, although most people pick and choose what they like to follow from their religion but it doesn't change your religion. People practice burning witches, being sexist, racist and prejudice even if YOU may not do it, there are others who do because of the Bible
FreeFromWar 6 months ago
@TheDragon218 Religion creates sexism, racism, war, hatred, discrimination, overpopulation, irrational behavior, bigotry, slavery, burning of witches, stoning people to death, hindrance in medical and technological development.. And all of this over something that has no proof or reason to believe in to begin with. Do you think it's really worth it? Being irrational and ignorant is not something to be proud of. Demand proof for what you believe. Faith is gullibility and it makes people prejudice
FreeFromWar 6 months ago
@TheDragon2185 "nobody will know the truth until they die" lol, when you die, you're dead. That's it. Your brain stops functioning. It's like how you were before you were born. Nothingness. The concept of afterlife was fabricated by the authors of the new testament and it's extremely absurd. You can't imagine there not being an afterlife because you have been thoroughly indoctrinated with that concept and you have others to solidify your irrational beliefs, but there is no evidence to back it up
FreeFromWar 6 months ago
@TheDragon2 "you can talk about unicorns all you want but you still have no solid evidence" lol, you don't have any solid evidence of "God" either. Oh and by the way, the Bible mentions unicorns in many verses. It's sad that you're not even familiar with your own book that you use as guidelines for your life. It's one of many reasons why you believe in it because you're not familiar with how absurd it is. It also mentions talking donkeys, talking snakes, 10 headed dragons etc. You should read it
FreeFromWar 6 months ago
@TheDragon2185 "my point is that you cannot prove God doesnt exist" I agree, the same way you can't prove that Big Foot doesn't exist but the default position isn't belief until disproved, it's disbelief until proved. "God" is simply an answer people use when they can't explain something, in this case how the universe began. It's a nice story, but it's irrational and absurd. People believe it because they're indoctrinated with this concept.
FreeFromWar 6 months ago
@TheDragon21 "i said everything in the universe was set into place perfect"
There are over 200 billion observed galaxies as of 2011 and each of them contains billions of planets. Out of those planets about 500 QUINTILLION planets are in the habitable zone (same distance from their parent star as earth from the sun) so there are 500 quintillion planets in the seemingly "perfect" place and it's very likely that there is life on other planets, we just aren't able to reach as far to confirm it. YET
FreeFromWar 6 months ago
@TheDragon2185 lol, I don't even know where to begin... "i never said the world was perfect" so you understand the world isn't "perfect" now think about this, why would a "perfect" being create an imperfect world? Think about it, "God" who is "all knowing," created man KNOWING man will "sin" but he creates them anyway and on top of that he decides to torture them for eternity for their "sins" when it's Gods fault that he created such flawed human beings in the first place. Isn't that stupid?
FreeFromWar 6 months ago
@TheDragon2185 I'm sorry you that you think oxygen isn't demonstrable but it is. The same way gravity can't be seen but can be demonstrated. Your "God" is simply an imaginary concept with no evidence to back it up with. It's simply an assumption made from ignorance by ancient men who had a primitive understanding of the world.
Oh and do you seriously believe the world is "perfect"? Please don't change the subject and provide evidence of "God" without saying "it couldn't have been any other way"
FreeFromWar 6 months ago
@TheDragon2185 If I told you that an invisible flying unicorn exists, would it be reasonable for me to ask you to prove that it doesn't exist? It's not reasonable for me to ask for you to disprove anything and everything I make up and it's impossible to disprove. It's your responsibility since you're the one making the claim to prove that "God" exists. But you can't. It's just like the invisible unicorn, you can't see it, touch it, smell it or demonstrate it. It's just an imaginary character
FreeFromWar 6 months ago
The amount of "proof" provided to us, God himself wouldn't believe he exists.
geniusjas87 10 months ago
@18dvine I don't like to argue religion because it is all tedious and uncertain, however what you said is more along the lines of morals. If "god" loves everyone as his followers claim he does then why would he wish suffering upon any non believers?
SgtGeddes 10 months ago
Oh no don't dis agnosticism I'm agnostic towards religion. I accept the fact that I and everyone else knows nothing so I go on like it doesn't exist.
SgtGeddes 10 months ago
im tired of atheists using scientific terms to prove god does not exist. GOD>SCIENCE !!!! science is all lies who needs proof when we have faith :)
VladDaS3rb 10 months ago
I feel sorry for athiests who believe that when you die, you just become extinct. It is sad to know that when they die, they will really be standing before God, begging and pleading for mercy, as they are cast into hell for enternal pain and suffering. For all you athiests, it is never to late to come to Jesus. I personally don't want you all to find out when you die. Repent and turn to Jesus. IT makes all the difference in the world.
Ask questions if u have any thoughts or concerns.
18dvine 11 months ago
Skip to 3:45 to move onto the logical part of the debate and stop listening to the lame idiot preaching.
777neotamakachi777 1 year ago
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If you are sincerely seeking god, he will reveal himself.
What bullshit.
He should study the human brain, it's capable anything.
saintpine 1 year ago
is there a mathematical theory for evolution???
bestinfadel 1 year ago
to be an atheists ,you must be so narrow minded , i would hate to be so narrow minded
bestinfadel 1 year ago
einstein rejected atheism , the grreatest scientist of all time ridiculed atheists as being to closed minded, to deny the existence of god without proof is not science and goes against rational thought ..
bestinfadel 1 year ago
@bestinfadel
Einstein at most was an agnostic deist, but was absolutly against any personal god, so quite far from Jesus.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine if you read my comment with your brain ,you would of relised i didnt say einstein believed in jesus or a personal god ,einstein made it very clear to atheists that he wasnt one of them and it really annoyed him to be labelled as one, and he wasnt an agnoostic either ,he acknowledged that a god must exist , agnostics dont ..
bestinfadel 1 year ago
@bestinfadel said: he acknowledged that a god must exist
False.
Anyway, simply because he was one of the most famous scientists ever, does not qualify his opinion in this issue because:
It is very unlikely that he ever did any studies to discover the possibilities of deities.
He lived in a society where it would be very indelicate and social suicidal to make negative comments on religious issues, it’s more likely he would say what you want to hear rather than risk his career.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine sure lol,i really doubt it,in those days, it wasnt social suicide in the early and mid twentith century , einstein made those comments late in his life about atheists btw , atheism was a popular movement by many people at that time including scientists but einstein didnt want to be labelled as one at all ..what makes a person qualified in belief in god ? i think einsteins opinion is valid why not ? thats rediculous and completely ignorant to say , how foolish
bestinfadel 1 year ago
@bestinfadel "i think einsteins opinion is valid why not ? "
You are quote mining his opinion anyway.
I know through my own experience, I had compulsory Christian religion and worshiping all my school life, no other solution was contemplated. they had hidded evolution and the Big bang from me, I heard of it the first time 25 years later.
I was an atheist at the age of 14 but felt safe to come out only 30 years later. 20 years ago, It would ruin my career to come out.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine so you blame christianity but not the people who raised you , oh well , darwin was a christian so was the guy who came up with the big bang ,he was a priest , you were unfortunate to have grown up in such a fundamentalist environment which you should be blaming not the teachings of christ, you can believe in religon or just god and still believe in evolution and the big bang , i think atheism is a belief also which assumes there is no god bcoz science cant prove it ,thats faith....
bestinfadel 1 year ago
@bestinfadel
Sure you can believe anything without evidance, and that takes faith.
I wonder how much faith it took me, without a scientific study, to dismiss the bible only due to the ridiculous stupidity in the bible.
Do you seriously think this took me faith ?
It can take faith to trust science, by trusting the system that qualifies it, but I'm not forced to believe, I do not have the capabilities of understanding everything, infact what I don't understand, I don't believe.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine most people dont understand evolution and biology and just assume thats how life came about , they just trust in science which is faith , you just have personal issues with christianity and the people that raised you ,so you use this to justify your reasons for becoming an atheist ,not on any evidence or scientific facts , you have just assumed if christianity is false there must not be a god , an atheists cup is full , your better of being an agnostic ,which leaves you open
bestinfadel 1 year ago
@bestinfadel
I see you have difficulties understanding.
I had no issue with religion when I was young, other than having to be forced to study bullshit, just as I would have an issue to be forced to study maths, geography of whatever.
I never came out, so it's quite unlikely that I could have any issues with Christianity.
I understand that it must be difficult for a brainwashed person to even consider that talking snakes, Adam and eve, hell, zombies could sound like fairy tales to someone.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine where i come from im free to live my life the way i want , im free to believe in what i want , i would hate to be living a lie ,this would make me go insane , no amount of money , no career would be important enough for me to live a lie , i would rather be homeless and happy than rich and sad
bestinfadel 1 year ago
@bestinfadel
You seem to know more about me than what I do.
Why make this comparison ?
saintpine 1 year ago
@bestinfadel
2.
"most people dont understand evolution and biology and just assume thats how life came about , they just trust in science which is faith "
Quite possibile.
Most people don't read or study their religion, so they believe for tradition, by faith, try and have a compulsory serious critical analysis of Christianity and you will have it reduced by 50% in a few generations.
You just cannot see it, tough luck.
saintpine 1 year ago
@bestinfadel said: "your better of being an agnostic ,which leaves you open"
3.
I'm taking a position, I find no evidence, and whatever evidence Christians propose are simply laughable and naive.
It's not a 50/50% possibility, the Christian god possibility is ridiculously low, that I can hardly seriously take it in consideration, so why not call myself an atheist ?
I'm am thankful to my studies on the history of the bible and the logical sounding science to have simply confirmed by beliefs.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine what you seem to be confused about ,is the topic , which atheism and theism , what im explaining to you is,to be an atheist requires just as much faith as in religon , you have no proof there is no god like a theist has no proof there is a god , if christianity is bulshit to you that is perfectly fine , if you are living in denial and cannot express what you believe in is rather sad ,dont worry about talking snakes , you seem to have bigger problems at hand ..
bestinfadel 1 year ago
@bestinfadel said: "what im explaining to you is,to be an atheist requires just as much faith as in religon"
You are arrogantly still going on with this bullshit.
And you seem to know everything about me and what my experiences are.
It is totally bullshit to put atheism and theism on the same level.
I have absolutly no problem, the problem is yours, you just cannot understand anything outside your illusional shell.
saintpine 1 year ago
the universe is proof enough that there is a god , so get over it you bunch of nerds, how do expect to get laid if all you talk about is the universe and wether there is a god or or not , so if im wrong and there is no god, who cares, its not like you can say " i told you so hahaha" can you lol
bestinfadel 1 year ago
Why are all the big shot Atheists manufactured in the UK or somewhere around there? What are they teaching the kids there??
zigzagzoo12 1 year ago
It's a vicious circle, in those days the romans chase the earlier chistinans for not beleving in there gods. later the crusades, and now the protestants. he say there seeking in god. or gods
donmanowar 1 year ago
When the hell does this guy shut up, he has been talking for much too long to keep my interest.
TROBassGuitar 1 year ago
Reject science my friends...the bible guy really knows what he is talking about....Jesus rose from the dead....it's true, ...walking on water? no sweat... turning stone into bread? ..easy peasy....Magic works better than the laws of nature every time. Now let us pray together that the human race will not destroy it's self over this silly little argument... not unless it involves the second coming ok ...sheesh!
quarky1948 1 year ago
@quarky1948 too funny
MugenTJ 1 year ago
Theism 1 Atheism 0
presmckissack 1 year ago
@presmckissack LOL you are an idiot, can you not even comprehend what these people are saying?
Diedin2seconds 1 year ago
@presmckissack who is the referee?
Excentryck 1 year ago
@presmckissack what? the theist got owned, more like atheist 1000000 theist 0
carrmatt93 1 year ago
There is a moral god, whom one should be at peace with. Not sure it is the christian god though.
jayrod105 1 year ago
They should not have done the debate like this. It should have been one thing at a time.
Aresftfun 1 year ago
i cant believe he actually called upon Jesus and his resurrection as a proof in the existence of god
he took claims from 2 groups that supposedly saw Jesus alive which is complete bullshit. any1 can say anything back then becuz there would've been no documentation claiming that they were telling the truth
UtubeJKZ 1 year ago
Dr creig is such an idiot his basic concept goes like this well I"m just gonna believe in the bible & jesus being god till a better explantion comes about to disprove the bible.
that's like a person saying well I dont know what causes thunder, so I am gonna keep believing in the god of thunder till a better explantion comes about to explain thunder.
that's how stupid fundies are; they think in terms from a narrow minded faith.
their thinking is limited to what they believe.
xspettacolare 1 year ago
Actually...one of C'anity'sbiggest problems IS that C'tians think god talks to them. How many times I have heard some arrogant C'tiantell me what THEY thought and then say that "God told me..." Uh huh. If you ask me, it is pretty hard to trust a group of people who have abandoned their own reality to 'serve' an invisible man that they always tend to mold in their own image.
When toddlers do that, it is called PRETENDING. Religion is playtime for toddlers in adult bodies. Hence...BEWARE!!!
shoegooguru 1 year ago 14
You have to follow the evidence!!!!! Just think rationally about the question. How can they disagree with modern science. The true shall set you free. Science is showing more evidence for intelligent design than just random coincidence coming into place for the big bang to occur. And what about the DNA? The amount of information encoded in the building block of cells? Where did that information come from? It screams intelligent design.
hardrock2910 4 months ago
why involve jesus and resurection?make an argument over intelligent mind.this way you are destined to loose.
musiciankara 1 year ago
About God’s omniscience..
he knew all that has & ever will happen, .. long before anyone existed , knowing most of us would question him…resulting in our hell torment forever.
Then, after watching this debacle a million lifetimes over & over, he becomes yet more angry at his creations, so he keeps destroying & creating & destroying.
Will he ever become sufficiently omniscient to realize his own inane, pointless stupidity ?
lostallmymirth 1 year ago 3
I can answer the title of this video without all that convoluted straw man arguments in one word. Atheism. Job done. I'm off to solve the middle east problem with the same word oh and then all the other places where religion has been poisoning peoples minds for centuries. Back in a minute.
ooglebydoogleby 1 year ago
draw near to God and he will draw near to you - probably the best proof in this video. If you go seeking him with that true intent in your heart, you will know what I mean.
aciddmc 1 year ago
@aciddmc "If you go seeking him with that true intent in your heart, you will know what I mean." Of course, all you need to do is disregard everything that contradicts the existance of the Biblical God.
Oh, and all those verses such as selling your daughter into slavery and stoning to death rape victims and killing rebellious kids and killing whole towns if ONE PERSON doesn't believe in the God of the Bible...Want me to continue? Or would you like the false prophecies?
onijester56 1 year ago 2
They are both wrong! I'm right tho!!!!
AlyoshkaCA 1 year ago
It is silly that the theists try to back up the bible with science.
it is really just desperation. they must hold on to their belief that there deceased loved ones are somehow still alive in a better place.
it is just denial. IMO
kwiksteen 1 year ago
@kwiksteen it's not about being scared your loved ones arent in heaven if you don't believe its supposed to be about love of God, not fear. athiests always assume stupid shit like that "they just hope their loved ones are in a better place" - bullshit, maybe most idiots hope that but true believers know better than to care about that.
aciddmc 1 year ago
@aciddmc I know my statement sounds kind of cold. that is just my opinion. i use to believe such things myself. it takes many years to accept reality. IMO.
kwiksteen 1 year ago
or would you all like to be computers taking command prompts?
the greater good the lord Jesus Christ has given you the power to choose over good or evil....seems like an easy decision,doesnt it? so why are you continuing to reject what is holy?
societyofsin 1 year ago
everyone keeps going on about the "burden of proof". why, is someone going to jail?
teague67 2 years ago
To
13shadowwolf
Actually, "ignorant troll" works for me, especially from you.
Quaunta 2 years ago
Again Debate over the unprovable the unknowable continue with the same shit as it always does and the whole point of life and time is lost on debate over egos and braggottey nottey blottey ddoooeeyy meaningless huey.
Its not about God!
The Bible is clear.
It is about YOU.
IF YOU do not love one another you cannot love God,
WHY?
GOD is LOVE. Stop being a big ass know it all. Learn to take care of one another Or by God you'll wish I didn't breath life into you, for I said "you are gods! "
Quaunta 2 years ago
Hey people replace the word ''God" with the word "something " and you will find the answer .
But you have to think deeeep !
edoni007 2 years ago
Bite me
Quaunta 2 years ago
it's not up to the athiest to disprove god, its up to the christian to prove it. thats the process with any theory
delic619 2 years ago
slezak is a beast!
delic619 2 years ago
LOLOLOL the xtian guy basically copied and pasted the xtian argument of a debate I watched that occurred in 1994.
dubya68 2 years ago
Nevermind, he's the same guy, but still... he thinks repeating the same drivel will work for everybody...
dubya68 2 years ago 2
the evidence is every where it's all about the free will. to beleve or not.
wanagj 2 years ago
if god is omniscience, he is able to know what the future is like, it is as if he know we will sin and he must take us to hell, but he still create man, hoping man to change.
but he already know we will go hell, isn't it as if he creates us to let us go to hell?
Shaunthesushi 2 years ago 2
@Shaunthesushi no you have you have a choice.
that is the beauty of creation and life.
that is why satan wants us to ask these questions that will lead us to destruction.
i know what you are thinking,ive asked the same questions...but it only leads to despair.....please i beg of you all accept the lord and all of your questions will be answered when we are in heaven.
societyofsin 1 year ago
@societyofsin
beauty of creation and life..
you have not see the dark side of war and crime..and look at the recent earthquake at chille...how aweful the creation of nature
Shaunthesushi 1 year ago
@Shaunthesushi it saddens me to hear of any death.
but rejoice! a believer in the lord will welcome death with open arms and not fear the dark one.
when The Son of God returns those that died in any war or any disaster will be brought out of the ground and judged accordingly.
societyofsin 1 year ago
seriously..you dont understand the pain and suffering people get..cancer patient...starvation..just because you live in a confortable environment doesnt make you more pure than others
Shaunthesushi 1 year ago
@Shaunthesushi also dont take my words as gospel...read the holy bible and open your heart to the truth :)your answers about death and needless despair on this plain we call life lie there.
societyofsin 1 year ago
@societyofsin
youpplrsogay 1 year ago
@societyofsin Im gonna listen to a fairy tale book? The actual evidence of god is no more then the evidence that the tooth fairy exists
youpplrsogay 1 year ago
@Shaunthesushi
Yep, seems a little redundant, huh?
jerico641 1 year ago
the Historian proof is rabish.
wanagj 2 years ago
This wasn't a debate, it was a slaughter. The theist gets up and puts forth complete bullshit that has no real point, and then the atheist calls him on it.
There is no proof of god/gods, until there is there shouldn't be any more debates. The entire burden of proof lies with the believer to show how his beliefs are correct.
13shadowwolf 2 years ago 32
@13shadowwolf Actually the burden lies with the unbeliever because when judgement day comes you've gotta work out what on earth you're gonna do. Christians constantly try to 'proove' the existence of God, but there will never be 100% factual proof because a big part is called faith, plus the fact that if something is 100% proof there would always be a group of people who deny it. I pray that one day God touches your heart.
Africker 1 year ago
Which god? Allah? Odin? Bob the All-mighty? the FSM?
What if the entire point of all religions is an "idiot litmus test"? The real god created humans to be independent thinkers and decided to make religions to weed out the idiots who would believe bullshit without evidence. That way in the afterlife the idiots could be easily identified by the fact that they believed in something that had no proof whatsoever.
13shadowwolf 1 year ago
@Africker "a big part is called faith" Faith is belief without evidence. So you have no evidence.
"when judgement day comes you've gotta work out what on earth you're gonna do." If YOU are WRONG on the god, then YOU will have to explain why you went AGAINST the TRUE GOD. If I''m wrong, then the true one got no special treatment AND I used the knowledge HE ENDOWED MAN WITH to make a CONCLUSION based on the evidence HE PROVIDED.
onijester56 1 year ago
@13shadowwolf the atheist also has the burden of proof that matter exists.
wukester 1 year ago
@wukester That has to be one of the stupidest comments ever made. If we don't accept that the matter we come into contact with exists then we can make no claims about anything at all.
13shadowwolf 1 year ago
@13shadowwolf Actually you can make a claim about anything, including that we come into contact with matter to some degree, but then you have the burden of proof that matter exists. I have a hard time believing that reality is nothing more than a dream. What makes a smart claim from a stupid claim is that you have logic to account for a smart claim. What is the logic that supports your claim that matter exists?
wukester 1 year ago
@wukester You misunderstood the point. without the acceptance of our senses telling us that matter exists we have no basis for any claim beyond "I exist as some level".
There were some studies done at Harvard University in the 60's or 70's based in sensory deprivation. Anyone who was put into the sens-dep. tank started having severe hallucinations within minutes. They came to the conclusion that the human brain evolved to interpret outside stimuli. Which would require matter to exist.
13shadowwolf 1 year ago
@13shadowwolf how is that external stimuli necessarily matter.
wukester 1 year ago
@13shadowwolf what makes it necessary that the external stimuli is material?
wukester 1 year ago
@wukester Are you attempting to play semantic games? There is outside stimuli, which is by definition, material.
If you don't understand simple concepts, stay out of the discussion until you have an idea of what's going on.
13shadowwolf 1 year ago
@13shadowwolf What evidence do you want to support the existence of God? Well if you are so "sure" that God doesn't exist, please give me good, non-bullshit, answers for the following questions. How was the universe so fined tuned to such an astronomical number? Why is it that 93% of the worlds population believes in a single, all powerful omnipotent being in one sense or another? Who is it for you to say Jesus Christ wasn't real, when there are records of His existence and His rising?
pimper347 1 year ago
@pimper347 Any phsical, repeateable, and testable evidence would work.
The universe wasn't tuned. It exists as it does, life evolved to function within the existing perameters.
That is not evidence for anything but other than religion is an outgrowth of evolved group dynamic functions.
Just because it was written that jebebus existed doesn't mean anyting, after all superman is written to have come from Krypton. The bible is simply a badly written work of fiction.
13shadowwolf 1 year ago
@13shadowwolf But if you say, "the universe always existed," does that mean you, as an atheist, doesn't believe the Big Bang Theory, which is the top theory, with a load of evidence that thats how the universe exists, if your saying the universe always existed, that would go agaist the law of Cause and Effect, meaning something must come from something else, if you believe that, but do not believe it in the sense of the Universe, therefore the beggining of the universe wasnt cause by science
pimper347 1 year ago
@pimper347 You show clear misunderstanding of the Big Bang Theory. It only claims that there was a singularity that "started" this universe, it makes no claim about pre-existing matter or energy; other than to assume that there must have been pre-existing matter and/or energy in order for the singularity to have existed.
There is a mass/energy field that is flowing into and out of existence in every atom, all the time. Causality is being re-investigated because it's "Laws" are in question.
13shadowwolf 1 year ago
@13shadowwolf a christian priest was the first person to come uo with the big bang concept , isnt that strange
bestinfadel 1 year ago
@bestinfadel Even complete idiots can come up with interesting ideas.
13shadowwolf 1 year ago
Actually there is no evidence that Jesus actually existed. There is no mention of him anywhere, in any of the roman or rabbinical records during the time he was supposed to have been alive. The first mention of his is not until some 30 - 40 years after his supposed death. The whole story of Jesus and his birth, life and death is identical to dozens of myths and legends and other religions going back thousands of years. Jesus was made up because the existing Jewish God was just so terrible.
PheesKMPAccount 2 years ago
history is written by the victor, I dont think the romans would want to put a story of how they were afraid of a carpenters son overthrowing their whole empire,for example do you remember hearing someone named Tesla in your science class, probably not, he is the real reason light bulbs and even electricity were possible in every home for his discoveries in AC current, why havent you heard of him, because remember that statement from above.
bengalbengalbengal 2 years ago
So there is no conclusive 'proof' from either the atheist or the theist yet the atheist makes fun of agnostics, real clever
MagicMagicsson 2 years ago
debate and arguments are what ignites war, not religion... atheists who say so are just FUCKED UP IDIOTIC DIMWITS. and i don't mean to generalize, i have atheist friends who do not act rudely to others with spiritual beliefs.
ponkadolz 2 years ago
So let ,me get this straight in the comments.
1. There are Theist here who are trying to debate and some who are losing their tempers.
2. There are some jerks on here make a ton of insults about others believe.
3. That neither side, no matter how much evidence there is or is not, will change their view.
4. Rudeness is very very very common on here.
5. Because none of your comments will matter to anyone else, then why does anyone debate in the first place.
Because morons LIKE to fight.
-IP717
Inuyashapaladin717 2 years ago
this is an ironic comment. isn't "morons" an insult, and rude? and why are you even commenting if you think no comments will ever matter to anyone else?
LilMaxo4President 2 years ago
No. Morons is an explanation of the behavior of how LOTS people are reacting on here. Behavior that is uncalled for that shows stupidity for what it is and cannot grasp onto the idea of a REAL debate.
I just wanted to make a statement of observation that is clear for everyone to see. That is all really.
Inuyashapaladin717 2 years ago
nnnnnice!!
ak9753 2 years ago
you of course follow your own statments in numbers 2,4,and 5. Nice job making fun of yourself.
people like to comment to cause interaction and discourse and there are people who change all the time. ask about 50% of the atheists
mattywash 2 years ago
is what i said not true?
Inuyashapaladin717 2 years ago
not 3 and 5 I would gladly become religious if there was some evidence but it all points the other way. 5 well the comments obviously matter to some ppl or else they wouldnt be debating. if i was having a conversation with my mother about something that only had to do me and her well its important to at least 2 people. Me and her. these "debates" in comments spring up among strangers so for every person who comments i'm sure there is at least one other who doesnt who takes an interest.
mattywash 2 years ago
We would have to turn to the actual prof and believe in the proven facts.
tyc00nbelle 2 years ago
The thing is that god is unprovable, and it is impossible to prove him. So with that we have to realize that we physically proved things from the ground up, with prof and theroies. So it seems to me to believe a crude guess of ancient men in caves, whom by proven facts made the bible atleast 300 years after the death of "Christ", so they never meet christ directly or meet a person whom meet christ directly- so not only could the stories be plausable but they could not truthful to the fullest.
tyc00nbelle 2 years ago
People don't need to have a Phd to understand why gods do not exist. It is common sense, and I'm not sorry to say that those who belief in imaginary friends even though they are shown evidence against it are dumb imbeciles.
lordofhispania1 2 years ago
4:(3) Jews still exist, Christianity growing fast doesn't mean too much to me.
5: General human ignorance is not proof, nor is convincing yourself for emotional reasons.
thats it for the thiest, I may or may not post again :P, I'll prolly agree well enough with the atheist.
Kouga66 2 years ago
would jesus be COMPLETLY impossible to fake? jesus may have a twin, they may take the body away.
madichelp0 2 years ago
"You can just feel god's presence".
All I can say is...oh...my...god...
Apjooz 2 years ago
i agree with you carrotsan that is hypocritical. the christian guy in this debate said him self nothing can only come from nothing, so if god came from nothing, that would make him nothing. in this guys point of view at least
dgkjoey 2 years ago
i love the "something can't come from nothing" argument. if the universe NEEDED to be created, then obviously so did the god that would've created the universe.
do0rkn0b 2 years ago
I love Mr. Craig, but he's setting himself up. He says Jews didnt have dying and rising Gods, which is true, but the Pagan Romans did, which is who popularized Paulinian Christianity. He then says the Disciples died for the belief in Jesus divinity, but that isnt technically correct. They were actually legally executed for other reasons like rape and molestation, but the real motive believed Jesus. This being the case, they couldnt deny Jesus to get out of it even if they wanted.
andben846 2 years ago
Muslims are willing to strap explosives to themselves and fly into buildings because 'they' believe in Muhammad, and Allah.
They are also willing to 'die' for their 'truth'.
carrotsan 2 years ago
Why is God exclusive to infinite existence? Why does time 'need' to have been created? If God can always exist, why can't Time, Matter, and Energy have always existed?
That's a hypocritical statement.
carrotsan 2 years ago 2
why is it hypocritical?
93alvbjo 2 years ago
Because of the way he states it as 'undeniable fact'. It's very deniable.
There are plenty of alternative theories'. Stating that the universe 'needed' a creator as if he had some sort of evidence it is true is hyperbole and supposition.
He's making stuff up and acting like it's fact instead of the guess that it is. There's no evidence that supports his view.
There isn't a 'need' for the universe to have been 'created', it's just one possible theory, and one of the least likely at best.
carrotsan 2 years ago
oh sry, i thought you where on the dumb side. the argument earlier is though an atheist argument, (always existed matter thingy)
93alvbjo 2 years ago
time,matter, and energy is God in my opinion
DARIUSAKABYRD 2 years ago
That's an interesting philosophical, but it doesn't support the common perception of what God is.
It doesn't make the idea of God as an intelligent being any more valid. It's just the hyperbole physics version of God, the natural laws that led to the existence of things as they are.
Not an intelligent being or literal thing. The metaphorical God of Einstein, not the God of religion. Not God that has consciousness, demands worship, and defines laws and morals for men.
Just God as an abstract.
carrotsan 2 years ago
but whos to say he isnt????
look around you mr.atheist do you see how in order the universe is? an intelligent God is the only explanation their is no way the planets aline every some odd years just by chance their is no way our planet revolves around the sun just at a safe distance not to burn us its no way our facial features are like they are our body works like it does LIFE PERIOD and the way things in existence are constructed is only ythe work of an intelligent being
DARIUSAKABYRD 2 years ago
The work of an 'intelligent being' is not the only possible explanation. It's not even a plausible one. There is no evidence to support any such thing.
The Universe is not as 'ordered' as you imply. It's a very chaotic place, full of supernovas, black holes, all sorts of strange and dangerous energies and phenomenon.
This includes the Earth. It is not 'perfect for us' even humans must struggle to survive. The Earth is a dangerous place, and we adapted to life on it, not the other way around.
carrotsan 2 years ago
is it not possible for an intelligent being to have created the universe??? as primitive as man is we went from rubbing sticks to make fire TO THE FUCKING MOON?anything is possible nigga . also why is oxygen unique to our planet? i can ask 100 questions but my point is there is a God im sure of that what im not sure of is the dynamics and reasons he exists and what is the purpose of well...........purpose
DARIUSAKABYRD 2 years ago
Who said it was impossible?
It's just so incredibly unlikely it's not worth considering without a great deal more evidence.
Oxygen is not unique to our planet. The top four most common elements in the Universe are Hydrogen, Helium, Oxygen, and Carbon.
Oxygen and Carbon are the two most important for life.
Why does the Universe and existence need reason or purpose? It is good for an individual to find them in their own life, but they are not necessary for existence or the Universe.
carrotsan 2 years ago
evidence of an athiest beleifs are just as unlikely as you claim mine are you are sitting up here saying something came from nothing
and what i ment was the amount of oxygen on our planet is a rare thing WHY JUST OUR PLANET
and the universe does need reason and purpose cause everything does your avoiding the matter at hand just like your accusing me of doing
DARIUSAKABYRD 2 years ago
It's not just our planet. This isn't remotely true. You're comparing the limited scope of our solar system to the expanse of the Universe.
There is no evidence that our planet is the only one like it in the Universe. It may be true that there is no other Earth in the Universe, but that does not mean there are no other Earth like planets anywhere else either.
Why does the Universe need reason and purpose? That's pure speculation with absolutely no factual basis whatsoever.
carrotsan 2 years ago
bottom line everything has purpose and reason. asking why does the universe needs it is contradictary well heres my question what the hell makes the universe exempt from anything else in existence? thats not speculation its a very real question that deserves respect and attention
DARIUSAKABYRD 2 years ago
Okay. Prove it. Prove that the Universe needs purpose and reason.
If you can assert it with such certainty, then surely you must be able to provide proof and evidence of this claim.
If not, you're just guessing and making an assumption.
So, go ahead. Prove it.
Not every idea is equally valid and deserving of respect. Just because there are two differing opinions does not mean that each opinion is equally deserving of the same respect and attention.
carrotsan 2 years ago
Atheist beliefs? There is no such thing as an Atheist belief system, there is no scripture, no dogma, no Bible, and no cohesive group. Atheism is a statement of individual belief, not a religion.
Scientific beliefs are another issue. Science must have evidence to support it. Science is far more grounded in proof and evidence than Faith based beliefs.
In order for something to be Scientific it must be proven. Faith only requires that you believe it.
That makes Faith the less reliable option.
carrotsan 2 years ago
athiest do have beleifs you beleive their is no God and you beleive in science am i right or wrong??? and another thing i agree with science and shit but that still doesnt push aside God like what your trying to do. Science is grounded in proof of things that one can see smell touch or feel God is something totally beyond any of that and dont try and tell me about faith mr.athiest faith has nothing to do with beleiving it is KNOWING without a shadow of a doubt of something in my case that is God
DARIUSAKABYRD 2 years ago
No, Atheists have 'a' belief. That's it, just one. Atheists are not required to agree with each other about anything else.
I do not believe in Science, is my job, and I can prove that it is correct. It's not something I just believe in, it's something I have experienced and have both witnessed and proven myself that it works.
The problem here is you can't know something you can't prove. You can only assume it.
Know implies a level of certainty that is irrational without proof or evidence.
carrotsan 2 years ago
We have quite a bit of room to move about without burning up. The distance of the Earth, and all the planets from the Sun varies. Our orbit is not circular but elliptical. Our distance from the Sun varies.
The planets aligning is inevitable considering no two orbit at the same speed. No designer is needed, just enough time for it to occur.
Facial features and bodily function prove nothing of God, and support that we adapted to life on this planet, not that it was 'made for us'.
carrotsan 2 years ago
look dude their is no other explanation for existence something can never come from nothing evolution cant be proved either who is to say that those bones are just extint great apes that were killed off by either neanderthal man or us homo sapiens and my point was that why is it that our planet just so happens to be the lucky one that isnt to hot or too cold for life? saying their isnt a God brings up unessesary questions that just leads to the answer being ANOTHER QUESTIon
DARIUSAKABYRD 2 years ago
Wrong. I don't believe in Evolution, it's a proven fact.
The Theory of Evolution is not a guess.
Theories have to be tested, verified by multiple sources, have consistent results, and not contradict existing evidence. They are not guesses or suppositions.
You wouldn't walk off the edge of a building and expect to not fall because Gravity is just a Theory would you?
Biology does not work without Evolution as it's framework. It's been proven correct beyond doubt. No Scientists refute it.
carrotsan 2 years ago
Evolution is NOT a fact its what you beleive unless one has a time machine we dont know if we evolved from apes like i said those fossil bones could just be an exinct species of ape Evolution has never been proven you cant compare evolution to gravity my nigga
DARIUSAKABYRD 2 years ago
Yes it is.
I am a Biology major, a Zoologist, an actual scientist, and this is my field.
Evolution is a proven fact, and no Biologist's job is possible without it's framework. No Scientist disputes Evolution Theory. The claim that there are Scientist who argue against it's validity is a myth.
It's been proven, not just with the fossil record, but also DNA and other evidence. Evolution can be observed as well as practically applied. I have studied and witnessed it first hand.
You are wrong.
carrotsan 2 years ago
I know a good deal about Evolution my friend and its not a fact its just highlly accepted by scientist and force fed to our kids in school (which is another issue) that dna you speak of is a good excuse BUT theirs a big BUT to that we and those fossils and other great apes share majority percentage of dna TRUE ill give you that but what about the other percentages WHERE DID IT GO scientist say it divided millions of years ago but thats also a big ass geuss
DARIUSAKABYRD 2 years ago
No you don't. This post is proof that you don't. There is a great deal more evidence for evolution beyond DNA and Fossils.
It can be actively observed in living plants and animals today, applied in agriculture for both crops and livestock, and studied in non fossilized remains of plants and animals as well.
There is no guessing in the Theory of Evolution, it's been proven beyond doubt to be true. Creationists are a crazy lunatic fringe group beyond the reach of reason and evidence.
carrotsan 2 years ago
I am one of those Scientists. DNA did not divide and vanish.
The genetic similarities between ourselves and the Great Apes, Chimpanzees in particular, are a result of a common ancestry.
We did not evolve from the other Great Apes. They share an ancestor with us and followed a different evolutionary path.
You've blatantly wrong here and this is a total misrepresentation of the facts.
Science does not 'guess' it tests, observes, verifies, and concludes based on results and observed evidence.
carrotsan 2 years ago
Yeah and what abut the Quaran did an ape write that or maybe a pig, You anti God people should read the Bible cause you well learn that its like over six hundred years old and back then they knew more about God then we do and the Bible is the Word of Allah and Jousua and Adam even ate the apple that NEwton sat on.
Quaunta 2 years ago
We practically apply Evolution in a number of fields outside of Biology. Agriculture, Engineering, Computer Sciences, Medicine, and numerous other fields.
Evolution is more proven and understood than gravity.
We know much more about it, how it works, what it is, why it works, and have a much greater understanding of it.
The only thing we really know about Gravity is that it exists and we have a very limited understanding of how it works. We don't know why it works, or even what it really is.
carrotsan 2 years ago
the theory of evolution leaves to many questions and cannot be proven wrong or right just like what you say about God. Evolution can only be studied through fossils and dna and we both know evolution takes millions of years to happen hence the term change over time and it goes back to what i said we dont have a time machine to pin point what changed in whatever species or if it changed at all everything your saying has too many questions following your explanation for shit
DARIUSAKABYRD 2 years ago
What questions? You're claiming that it does, but you're leaving out what they are.
Evolutionary changes do not necessarily take millions of years to occur. They are generational, and constant.
Macro and Micro Evolution are the same thing, the only difference is time scale. The small changes of Micro Evolution add up over time to create Macro Evolutionary changes.
We don't need a time machine to prove Evolution. There is more than enough evidence to verify it today.
carrotsan 2 years ago
You're buying into propaganda and misrepresentation of the real facts. I am an actual expert, Evolution Theory is literally part of my job to know this. My work directly involves it.
The people you're learning about Evolution from are either blatant liars using misinformation to promote a religious agenda, ignorant morons, or crazed fringe lunatics who wouldn't know a Mammoth fossil from a Cyclops skeleton.
The people you're getting this stuff from have no idea what they are talking about.
carrotsan 2 years ago
U R A PP HEAD
Quaunta 2 years ago
We exist here because conditions allowed for us to exist here.
That does not imply that here was created for us. There's no reason or evidence to believe that.
We adapted to life on this planet, it did not adapt to us. We look and live the way we do because it was the optimum way for our species to adapt.
You're starting with an assumption, and working from there. That's not how proper reasoning or research is done.
The evolutionary chain is consistent both in genetics and fossil records.
carrotsan 2 years ago
my question is why are conditions allowing us to exist only on this planet? we adapted is a good excuse but again thats a geuss too we cant travel time so nobody knows why im assuming yes but you are as well the evolutionary shit is a geuss cause like i keep saying ape fossil records may be similar to our own but that doesnt mean everything evolves thats just a conclusion by scientist that may not even be true but i will say its a good conclusion only theirs no way to prove it as fact
DARIUSAKABYRD 2 years ago