most of the Thracians eventually became hellenized or romanised (Moesia and Dacia). In the 6th century, some Thraco-Romans and hellenized Thracians south of the Danube River made contacts with the invading Slavs and were later eventually slavicised. - wikipedia
In pre-classical and classical antiquity, this region was home to Greeks, Illyrians, Paeonians, Thracians, Dacians and other ancient groups. - wikipedia
greeks and thracians were neighbours and very different. language,religion culture were different. In the time of Fillip 2 the thracians close to the greeks were conquered and hellenised.
Film has been made in Bulgaria so quiet! Thracian identity we guard it and some people in our neighboring countries. Valley of the Kings is in the center of Bulgaria!
Филма е правен за България така че спокойно ! Тракийското самосъзнание го пазим ние и част от населението в нашите съседни държави.Долината на тракийските царе е в центъра на България !
.....normal ca si aryenii au ripostat,mai ales ca sunt oamenii lui D-zeu,au descoperit fierul si si-au luat revansa......semitii s-au impus pana la urma si in prezent prin magie ,vrajitorie,religie,secte erezii,...apelend la razboiul vazut si nevazut,stiut si nestiut.....doar asa au putut sa-i robeasca,exploateze,domine,conduca si manipuleze pe oameni....mozaismul,masoneria,crestinismu,....demonstreaza aceste lucruri fara drept de apel ....
.....normal ca si aryenii au ripostat,mai ales ca sunt oamenii lui D-zeu,au descoperit fierul si si-au luat revansa......semitii s-au impus pana la urma si in prezent prin magie ,vrajitorie,religie,secte erezii,...apelend la razboiul vazut si nevazut,stiut si nestiut.....doar asa au putut sa-i robeasca,exploateze,domine,conduca si manipuleze pe oameni....mozaismul,masoneria,crestinismu,....demonstreaza aceste lucruri fara drept de apel
acum 7500 de ani,rasa semitika,triburile akhlamu,arameii,akadienii,evreii....au profitat de minerit si minereurile de arama din zona palestino-iordaniana,au prelucrat arama in unelte si arme si insuflati de diavol au atacat tinuturile pasnice ale aryenilor,pelasgilor,hiperborenilor,ramanilor,oameni buni,puri,blanzi,inocenti,naivi.....ca la orice razboi a urmat o serie de crime,crize,jafuri,violuri,....blestematii,sunt trecute si in biblie cateva episoade.....
The earliest surviving language still spoken by Thracians is Romanian. So if you feel thracian maybe you should all learn Romanian since the original thracian language was lost and the slavic languages formed 600 years after the last Roman conquest of Thracian land. Let's just form one big country in Eastern Europe and the Balkns - Romania !!!
So we are to understand that the Bulgarians(otherwise known as the Crastaveckis) are the first cilization on earth and the Crastaveckis were once the masters of the universe.... pfahahhaaahaha... poor crastaveckis...pathetic...
The reference to Caucasus is down to Eastern Romans (Byzantines) who called "Albanians" the people of Kaspian sea (where modern Azerbaitzan is). It is not any necessity to have a link with modern Albanians. But the name clearly back then was used for Caucasian people, not for Balkanic people. In Balkans Byzantines wrote very detailed accounts of all tribes there, yet they fail to see any Albanian or Skipetar. Perhaps they used another name back then. We do not know. More research must be done.
@notgodsemigod The reference to Caucasus is down to Eastern Romans (Byzantines) who called "Albanians" the people of Kaspian sea (where modern Azerbaitzan is). It is not any necessity to have a link with modern Albanians. But the name clearly back then was used for Caucasian people, not for Balkanic people.lol then if you have studied albanian language like you say then you will no that there is no proff of this,modern scholars in 2006 found old orthodox church where albania is in caucasus,
@ktm066 And the people who lived there speak a slavnic language udie or some shit but anyway,this church is one of the oldest orthodoxx church in the world,Im sorry to tell you but albanians didnt get religion until the romans arrived in balkans,befor that we had none,,And as for serbs and bosnians have alot of illyrian makes me smile,how can a population of slavnic in there thousands come and mix with illyrians,,it is impossiable for bosnians to have the so called illyrian dna and at
@ktm066 % they think they do,serbians and slavs came in waves bosnia,croatia were hit the hardest from the migration of slavs..So how can bosnia have a high illyrian dna as they say there were more slavs thaan illyrian by far,dont speak your propaganda about albanian language and where they came from.as you said kaspian sea,,lol that was quickly thrown out by all historians around the world,My language as i have told you before has much thracian and also we have illyrian tribes
@ktm066 and the meaning witch no seb no bosnian no croatians have,all traditions of serbs croatian,bosnians are all the same it is very very ukraine,,and some parts of russia,,so please if you have done some research on my language i also suggest you to study our thousands of words that are not latin and greek,,You all belive our language is just mixed i can asure you know we have more of our own uneak language than borrowed,,
@ktm066 Adn if you belive because albania was in cuacsus and there is a name albania in balkans that they are same people then you would be a fool..there is apollonia in causcasus, also apollonia is greek are they from there to,there is siberia in russia are they from there ?Yes i belive some where from there and from carpathian mountauins,,there is many other countrys names in other parts of the world,,,does that mean they are from there ?NO,you show no valid proof of what you say and
@ktm066 also modern scholars has already said albanians in balkans have no connection with albania in caucasus it is completely rejected. nice try though this is a modern propaganda from greeks and serbs,well done you studied nothing but pure propaganda from your orthodox brothers,,lol my language is the oldest language in balkans if you dont like it stiff shit except it the scholars around the world has,,good by have fun with your bullshit propaganda,,lol
@ktm066 Now I understand that the terrible lack of historic trace drives Albanians desperate and you are into any stupid propaganda to prove that you lived since ancient times in the Balkans (you might had done so but certainly NOT in the lands that are modern Albania as it is crystal clear that you first appeared in the triangle of Montenegro-northern Albania-Kosovo and from there gradually you descended more south).
Saying you have the "oldest language" is terribly funny. Where is the trace?
@notgodsemigod You understand that you dig all over North Epirus,then all over coastal Albania and you find ONLY Greek in classical times and Roman in Roman times. You have yet to find any linguistic evidence. The Albanian language has most of its original albanian vocabulary related to mountains while most of the sea-related vocabulary is imported by Latin and Greek showing that Albanians came from the inner lands of the north and not from any coastal lands.
@notgodsemigod So if one has to search for the Albanian origins that should be in the inner part of south Montenegro and eastern Kosovo and northern Albania, not really on the coastal parts or the southern parts, clearly taken from the Greeks (Epirus).
All the rest is modern Albanian bullshit in their will to expand into other peoples' lands. The appropriation of the name Epirus and the history of Epirus that happens to be the Greek birthplace, is identical bullshit to the bullshit of FYROMians
@notgodsemigod yOU ARE A IDIOT,,First of all i suggets you go to rome and take a deep breath and go into the museum and take a look on the walls of the museum.It shows albanian land,,,,Not so long ago everyone called albanians epiruts.And the fact that nearly all of the people in epirut speak my albanians dilect,1913 chunk of albanians land was taken from albania,You think you soo smart but you read bullshit from yt.all the people in epirus speaks albanian dilect.
@ktm066 there is more than 4 dilects of tosk and gheg,Something you didnt know i bet,the suliots speak albanian dilect..arvanties speak albanian dilect,Both these people greeks say they are greek but they have no idea what language they speak,,Ounce again you know nothing about albanians,There is cental gheg,eastern ghegmsouth gheg,northern gheg western gheg,all simulare but little diffrent,same with tosk,And as for the kosova thing dont get me started.kosova is and will always be albanian land
@ktm066 And both these people live in epirus..You want to bet with me..I hear there music and i still can understand them there traditions are albanian costumes are albanian and language ,greater albania yes greater albania was alive and was part of our land long time ago,We just want our lands back taken from bulagrians,greeks and serbs who all shared our land and divided amonst eachother,now fuck off with your bullshit.You stuidied lies my friend,,
@ktm066 Pay attention to what I say and do not imagine things. I did not link necessarily Skipetars to Asian Albania. All I said is that Eastern Romans who had recorded down even the smallest of tribes that circulated in the balkans did not at all refer to any Skipetars or Albanians. The term "Albanians" was used back then for a Caucasian people where modern Azerbaitzan is, and nowhere else. There is also no reference to any Skipetars or to any tribe that could be linked to modern Albanians.
@notgodsemigod Albanians appear in late Eastern Roman texts and in very ambiguous forms e.g. the villagers of Arvenon... but nobody tells us that these were Albanians or Bulgarians, Serbians, Italians, or Greeks... while the first really precise mention comes from...crusader Italians who used Albanians as mercenaries.
It is also noteworthy that Albanians are historically first spotted in south Montenegro-east Kosovo and from there they enterred into modern day northern and central Albania.
@notgodsemigod That should not estrange you. In fact if you claim to be Illyrians this is 100% since Illyrians lived at the most south in what is today northern Albania (in the frontiers with Monte-negro). Perhaps that also may explain the absence of records on Albanians by the Byzantines: if Albanians were an Illyrian tribe residing in Croatia, Bosnia & Montenegro then they would be subjects of the Slavic kingdoms and as such Eastern Romans might have not mentioned them on their own.
Even anthropologically as a race Albanians despite their presence over 1000 years do still look like alien in the Mediterranean presenting clearly Caucasian looks. If Albanians lived for more than 1000 years next to the Mediterranean Greeks and Romans they should look much more Mediterranean like themselves but actually even the coastal Slavic Croatians look more Mediterranean than Albanians. For the anthropologist this is a clear sign that the tribe does not habitate for many millenia here.
Albanians first appeared in the triangle between north Albania, south Montenegro and southwest Kosovo and from there they spread to modern day Albania as mercenaries.
The first direct references to Albanians come from Italian conquerors of Byzantine Empire who used Albanians as mercenaries and so did the Byzantine Greek state of Epirus. And that is interesting since before that Byzantines did not seem to know any Albanians though they mentioned a huge number of even the smallest tribes around...
Any research in Albania shows that ALL the south and even up to central - western parts were habitated by Greeks and all the eastern by Bulgarians.
The problem is that in this neighbourhood, there lived Greeks, Romans, then there came Bulgarians and Serbians and Croatians and all these were ruled by the Eastern Roman Empire and ALL these people left written records in the middle ages and guess what...NONE ever mentioned the existence of any Albanians (or Skipetars whatsoever). First vague mention arrives 1000 years ago and it is not even any proof. Proven record comes some 800 years back. That is how much back you can go in your history.
@ktm066 I have read essays on the Albanian language and there is nothing there to say that this "Latin" present in Albanian is any older than 1000 years. For the Albanian language to had been present in western Balkans for more than 1000 years (as Albanians claim) there had to be a deeper link to (ancient) Latin and (ancient) Greek. However, Albanian language's connection to Latin and Greek is as much that of German or French or Ukrainian and Georgian but no ancient link present there.
@notgodsemigod If Albanians were always there, they should had been citizens of the Byzantine Empire. Only that NO Byzantine record refers to Albanians. First vague reference is of a 12th century manuscript referring to a village called Arbenon (but that need not be related to the term "Albanian"). If anything for Byzantines, Albanians were a nation that habitated south Caucasus, where Azerbaitzan exists today, i.e. the term "Albanian" was connected to Caucasus rather than the Balkans.
@ktm066 I am on no propaganda. In fact I would rather prefer our neighbours Albanians being local indigenous Illyrians. However, apart the fact that Albanians certainly incorporated some south Illyrian tribes (south Illyrians were in the triangle of north Albania, west Kosovo and Montenegro), there is not any proof of any deeper link. Serbians and Bosnians and Croatians incorporated many more Illyrians in fact. And Bulgarians incorporated lots of Thraecians.
The so called "north Thraecians" seemed to be too much Celtic-Scythian to be related to the south. Naturally since all shorts of celtic tribes arrived from central Europe via the Danube (Celts were primarily following the rivers of Europe) all while Scythians arrived too easily from the Ukrainian plains. However, the mountains where Bulgaria is, hindered largely both of these. As such the north and the south had a different development. No surprise. Humans follow geography.
So much that linguistic experts classify often Phrygian into a same family with Greek language. Now what is really funny is that Phrygians were a prime example of southern Thraecians. So how these Phrygians were related to north Thraecians? Was Thrace a tribe? Or was it a geographical notion? Greeks tended to name Thraecians mostly the southern tribes. They would not need to go up to Ukraine to include Scythians or protoSlavs with it.
... one has to read ancient Phrygian of say 600 B.C. to understand how Phrygians, a culture that lived not so much in the coast but in inner Minor Asia and who dealt mostly with the Lydians and Medians and Persians rather than with Greeks (whom controlled them ONLY after Alexander the Great) they were so closely related to Greeks. After some 800 years of different evolution and of foreign (not at all Greek) influences, their language still resembled Greek to a great extend.
As for Thraecians... that is not even certain who they were since south Thraecians did not seem to have any distinct link with north Thraecians. Actually we know what language south Thraecians spoke and that was really so close to Greek that was of course nothing else than a Greek dialect. In fact even Phrygians (Thraecians from South Thrace who migrated to Minor Asia prior to 1200 B.C.), after some more than 800 years of isolation deep in Minor Asia had a language so close to Greek.
The first tribal mention on Albanians comes from ... an Italian record of the 14th century telling about an Italian merchant who was... robbed by robbers in night and heard them talking in "albanese"... Quite precisely what Albanians did and what they continued to do up to our days...
... but Illyrians back then were either Latinised, Slavicised or Hellenised. "Albanian" was a term used by Byzantines for... Caucasian tribes living east of Armenians (i.e. modern Azerbaitzan). And it is quite funny that modern Albanians present facial characteristics that are still strikingly resembling those of Caucasians. Hence, there is a large possibility that the proto-albanians came to Balkans out of a population move and established somewhere between northern Albanian, Montenegro, Kosovo
Albanians claim to be indigenous. But if they were indigenous then that would mean that they would live side by side Greeks and Romans for millenia. However their language has absolutely no signs of any influence of either ancient Greek or ancient Latin and all Greek and Latin influences are really traced to maximum 600-800 years ago meaning that first Albanian speakers did arrive there much much later. Now if they mixed with Illyrians that is another question.
@ktm066 No there is not. It is not "ancient Roman", it is Renaissance Italian idiot. And that dates less than 800 years. Same goes for all Greek influence in your language, it dates less than 1000 years. Which of course is a very strong indication that prior to that Albanians were NOT neighbouring with either Greeks or Italians.
Bardyllis=greek Βάρδυλις which is translation from Serbian language БиХ расол ресурси од око=BiH rasol resursi od oko=Β άρ δυλις =BH brine resources of about ...Check google translator and you will see....Also separated Greek Β=Serbian БиХ=BH ENGLISH and Greek άρ δυλις=Serbian Члан средства од око=ENGLISH Member funds of about
@trnjana Bardyllis is 100% albanian,,I dont need to change shit,,It is albanian word,,nice try..If i seperrated my language into describing place the whole balkans would be albanians,The letters E,T,O,A,M, AND SO ON HAS MEANIANG BY THEMSELFS,tHEN YOU WOULD HAVE MANY LATIN WORDS IN SERB BUT YOU DONT MORE OF ANYTHING RUSSIAN,BULGARIAN, NO LATIN SORRY SERB,NICE TRY
@trnjana YOU SEE YOU ARE WRONG IN MANY THINGS THE TIMES ABOUT SERBIANS FROM MIGRATION OF SLAVS, FROM YOUR LANGUAGE, FROM EVERYTHING DOES NOT WORK FOR YOU,WHY CANT YOU JUST ADMIT THAT ALBANIANS ARE FROM WHERE THEY ARE FROM,,YOU DONT NEED TO PROVE ANYONE WRONG YOU CANT PROVE ALBANIAN WRONG BECAUSE THERE IS WAY TO MUCH ABOUT THEM THAT PROVES THEY ARE FROM BALKANS,,MOST LIKELY DARDANIA,,
Migrating Slavs reached the Balkans during the waves of "barbarian" invasions at the end of the Roman Empire.witch means the illyrian would have got much latin words from the romans,,
Shiptars invaded Balkan with the Turks,and you invaded Serbian/Illyrian lands.You have no names for Pristina,Pec,Lipljan,Berat,Skoplje,Skadar,Valona,Cernevode,Tirana,etc,etc,yet you claim they are your lands??hahahahahahah,fucking pathetic!
Not just language,culture and look,but also genetics prove you're not from here,African parasite!Go back to Sudan,muslim gypsy,stop stealing our and Greek history.
@truditis Shiptars invaded Balkan with the Turks,who were the turks fighting when we came with them?lol idiot ask a turk what albanians did to them.we made them scream with pain for 24yrs,Pec, is peja and it is a illyrian name,you serbs renamed all of kosova to suit yourselfs only by little.Skoplje,what are you talking about these have meaning in albanian see you are ounce again not using the ancient names for these places only names that serbs renamed to have meaning in there
@truditis barbarian language,as for borrowing from greeks we have hundreds of words that supposed to be greek and found in greece and they have no idea what these words mean,as for latin albanians were influenced by romans witch is normal for illyrian,alabnians latin influenced was influenced way way before serbs were in balkans and this is studied and fact from around the world,,so what you are saying is that modern albania and kosova is serbians?if you belive that then you nedd serious help
You never fought against the Turks you were their slaves and they settled you here,why would you fight them???
Pec has a meaning in Serbian,Peje means nothing in Albanian,its an abriviation of the word Pec.I told you where the name Skoplje derives from,we used these names since the dawn of time,you have no words for cities,rivers,mountains in Balkan,you either use Turkish words or abriviate Serb ones.You dont even have a name for Kosovo,you call it Kosova.
@truditis Pec is not the real name for that city. are you kidding me you see you are retarded,yes it has meaning in albanian most of these do but just cant be fucked explaining it to you because it is pointless your a serb i would get more common sence if i walked out the back and spoke to the bricks,,do your research on the names and places that are in kosova and albania and you will find them,,You dont even have a name for Kosovo,you call it Kosova. yes we do its called DARDANIA,and that has
@truditis hahah you are dumb look and research for yourself,I cant be bothered telling you.you are a serb i could get more common sence out of a piece of timber,Research yourself,You dont even have a name for Kosovo,you call it Kosova.Yes we do it is DARDANIA.and it is where my people are from thekings name is in my language and no other,his daughters,princess everything,,but as i said research and expand that propaganda brain of yours.
When you google Serbs in wikipedia,under genetics says in the end:"Thus, Serbs are mainly descendants of Paleo-Balkan peoples previously known as Dacians, Illyrians and Thracians.[36]"...that says it all you have the reaserch above,all the genetics tests pove the same thing,we're native Balkan people,once called "Illyrians" or "Thracians",you're African niggers.
@truditis hahah you are dumb look and research for yourself,I cant be bothered telling you.you are a serb i could get more common sence out of a piece of timber,Research yourself,You dont even have a name for Kosovo,you call it Kosova.Yes we do it is DARDANIA.and it is where my people are from thekings name is in my language and no other,his daughters,princess everything,,but as i said research and expand that propaganda brain of yours.
@truditis No one on this whole intire planet would beive you and would never belive you,,you are out rageous,,you are 100% full on retard to belive that shit,,albanians dont give a fuck about serbs who cares we know who use are,we no when use came.your just full of shit.Do me a favour go tell a greek that your illyrian.and that albanians stole your history,,babahahahah complete idiot.
this man do you know what means?Bardyllis??I do it is albanian word,and this name is around 385bc..etuta I do,, heheh you see i have just told you names of places these are dardanian kings and chldren of king,can you please tell me the meanings then i shall tell you all meanings to all
hahahh dumb fucking serbian pig,,you are nothing but a goat catcher,,your dna may be form europe,But my language is from balkans,,hehehe,and let me also remind you that there is 12 mutations of the eb1 that has been found,
Illyrian toponyms, ancient Illyrian place names for cities, rivers and mountains, are preserved today in the Albanian language, and only in Albanian.you have to change the menaings to get some sought of meaning I dont,,
I see no serbian?why?you do know where the romanians lived in dacia dont you and what region...you are not shit you are not illyrian,nor thracian,dont bother trying to find meanins for these words because these are thracian and only shared between albanians and romanians,and it has been studied.
do you know what this means,,Mal i Zi.it is thracian,,it mean montenegro,we use the some thracian word to decribe a place..since we have borrowed much can you tell me who know the meaning of this in there language other thaan the dacians romanians who eveyone knows there are thracian,,?
come on illyrian serb? can any slavnic tell me what these citys mean,Any bosnian or croatian it is illyrian names,,Vlore,Ulkini,Antivar,Ulpiana,Pejum,Shkupi,Shkodrini,Ujebardha,Epidurras,Lissios,Uscana..Please i am so interested..lol..slavnics=carpathian mountains gypsys,,FACT i can serb..lol idiot serb
Ulpiana was called Ljipljan before the Romans,Valon(originale name for Vlore) means "place next to waves',
Skoplje comes from Scupi,which literally means "where people meet",from Serbian verb "skupiti" - "to collect,meet"..city of Berat was once called Beograd,but after Turks conquered it they renamed in Berat,etc.
See,every toponym in Albania is Serbian,Turkish or Latin in origin.You're just nomadic gypsies who arrived here with the Turks.
@truditis ahhahahahah that is the funniest thing i have ever herd.lmfao..Ljipljan has no meaning in serbian i checked,,Валона means vlore but it has no meaning to the word vlore..Сцупи means scupi witch means what? Nothing also in serbian i checked it just give the word translate in serb a but has no meaning,,hahahah you are a idiot,,who is full of shit..so much shit you belive the shit comes out your mouth,If you are saying these words are based on serb words that are simular then use r retard
pală - (hay) "quantity of hay held by a pitchfork", (wind) "breeze" păstaie - pod"seedcase"; Albanian "pistajë""bishtajë" pârâu, pârău - "brook"; Albanian "përrua" (and/or from the Romanian "râu", which originates from the Latin word "rivus prunc - "baby"; cf. Latin "princeps" which meant "first, foremost" pupăză - "hoopoe"; Albanian "pupëzë"
@ktm066 There is an old Illyrian place called Albulene that is Alb = white Ule (old Illyrian) = water or "Uje i bardhe" today Albanian.
The same derivation has Ulk (old Illyrian) by the name of the ancient city Ulkinon (today Ulqin) to Ujk that mean wolf. Tirane/Tirana, Kruje/Kruja, Elbasan/Elbasani, Durres/Durresi..The Albanian thunder god of Illyrian origin. He is the consort of Prende illyrian) the goddess of love.
Ok i found a none slavnic studie that suggests that the ev-13 gene has not been studied to the full as of yet but will be soon,they dont know ehen the people carrying this gene arrived,
now lets see who did these studies shell we,there names,d,marianovic,s,vidovic,n.pojovic.k.drobnic,and many more slavnic,,hahahah you idiot,,If i use the first to letter of the haplogroup i then would get reults of being aroun 50,000yrs old,,plus
By the way,look up "Dinaric race"-race of the Illyrians,to whom almost all Serbs,Croats and Slovenians belong to,and a very small minority of Albanians(albanized Serbs).That,Haplogroup I,and Vinca culture say everything dont they?
We are the descendants of the oldest European civilization,thats why we have so many scientists,sportsmen,achievements in culture and war,Shiptars are Africans,thats why they lack any of that,plus they're the poorest people in Europe and criminals!
@truditis We are the descendants of the oldest European civilization,thats why we have so many scientists,sportsmen,achievements in culture and war,Shiptars are Africans,thats why they lack any of that,plus they're the poorest people in Europe and criminals!hahahh idiot serb it was the ev-13 humans who gave you culture sport, civilization,hahaha,I still dont belive this because it still doesnt make sence,as for scientists it is alway a slavnic people who do this tests,,cant wait igenea to
Hahahahah,no,no,no your E haplogroup is African,and it had nothing to do with agriculture or anything else in Europe.
Best example,Shiptars have the highest concetracion of that haplogroup,and you have NO achievements in sports,culture,science,Albania is the poorest country in Europe,and MENSA didnt bother to open its office in Albania,and you claim that your haplogroup brought culture???!ahhahahahahhahahahah,you're in serious denial man!
@truditis do tests on kosova albanians they have said they are going to be testing soon..If kosova albanians turn out slavnic i will send you 1,million dollars,but if studies have already been done as ev-13 then why is there a point in doing it?maybe there was never tests done on kosova albanians,,??
Look moron,there are about 15% of Slavic genes(Haplogroup R1a1a) in all of Balkan.We're not Slavs,neither are you.
We're the Dinarides(Haplogroup I2),separate European race,which is the founder of European civilization.You are an Albanized Serb,that means you are too,unless your family mixed with Shiptars heavily,then you're African(Haplogroup E).
BTW,google "African admixture in Europe" and see the map in wikipedia.
@truditis look serb,who the fuck are you to tell me who i am,,I know who i am,Im a proud albanian who can trace back his family long long time,,,Your dna is more r1a than anything and that is a ver common slavnic gene,,What i dont get is how can bosnians be Illyrian and serbs?If you say i am serb then there is onlyone possiable logic,,since the HOTI ALBANIAN tribe spoke gheg ALBANIAN and migrated from bosnia many many yrs ago infact when the slavs came,
Im not saying you're a Serb,Im saying you used to be a Serb,but your family was weak and became shiptarized,so you probably mixed with Shiptars,which means you have their filthy genes,and are not suitable to be called a Serb.Hoti tribe was a Serbian tribe from Herzegovina,they migrated to Albania,became shiptarized and adopted Turkic Shiptar language.North Albania was pure Serbian also before the Turks and Shiptars came.
@truditis Serb.Hoti tribe was a Serbian tribe from Herzegovina,there were people in bosnia before slav came if you dont know that then you really dont know history,you are a gypsys,,,bosnians croatians were slavnised,,If bosnians were illyrians then they wouldnt have the high amount of i1a or what ever it would be,,IF IT IS TRUE most studies i have seen on internet are studies from slavnic back grounds,wait serb and see
@truditis Could mean that the gheg albanians could have lived also s far as bosnia?LOGIC..I still dont belive that serbs are illyrians,,AT ALL,and if i am serb you would share the high % of our dna witch you dont?I wont be getting facts from a site about serbs and slavs,And now that i know that site is a slavnic propaganda site,I asked infomation about ev-13,to a genetic company.She told me that the ev-13 program is very old and there has not been so many studies to prove how long it has been EU
Serbs are not Illyrians,Illyrians are Serbs..."illyrians" was the name used for us by the Romans,we never called ourselves that.And I told you you stupid fucking frustrated idiot,most common gene in Serbs is I2,while R1b is as low as 15% in us and all other Balkan nations.Most common haplogroup in Shiptars is African haplogroup E.All the genetic researches show that,you're in denial,but truth is the truth,you really thought your fake nation can lie for a long time?
@truditis It is immpossiable for serbs to be illyrians,for one illyrians were in balkans before serbs ,2 your language has nothing to do with illyrian,3,you cant name me 2 illyrian tribes at all that is in your language,4 it is sad for you to call me serb when infact im albanian,,the bullshit about hoti tribe is propaganda from 1 serbian who wrote this so you all belive it,even know it was thrown strait out,
I told you already Serbs are not Illyrians,Illyrians are Serbs,thats the name Romans called us.
My language is Illyrian,yours is most closely related to Chechen,my people were here since the dawn of time,which genetic proves,your Shiptar muslim scum came with the Turks and polluted our land.You have African genes,you look like Arabs,you're uninteligent and talentless gypsies,poorest people in Europe.
@truditis The only name itaila named serbs was barbarians,the migration of the slavnics,,the medertraian was inhabbit by serbs or slavs,,this is fact,,tell me why is ev-13 common in europe? greeks macedonians,, albania kosova,and many other places,,you i repeat are not illyrian,,you are a gypsy who came to balkans on a goat,A well know serb said that serbs lie so much they belive there lies they say,,you are a fool,,
Ev-13 is not common in Europe at all its common in Shiptars who're an African-Asian muslim gypsy tribe.
The only immigration to Balkans was of you and Turks in the 15th century.Your nation doesnt exist,you're a fake nation consisting of those Turkic Shiptars and shiptarized Serbs and Greeks.
Told you to look "african admixture in Europe" dont be afraid....you're African,you have nothing to do with Europe,so I dont understand why don you pack up and leave!
Genetic tests prove everything!! ahahahahahahahahaah,no,you idiot no genetic research was done by Slavs,those are international results,which show you have the filthiest haplogroup possible,thats why everyone makes fun of you.
Hoti were a Serbian tribe,who escaped from Herzegovina,when Turks occupied it,and all the founders had Serbian names.Most of them became shiptarized,cause they were weak and traitors,and now they're cursed,they're SHIPTARS,the worst possible thing! Grose!!
@truditis proves what proves that you are from europe?maybe?butthe fact that the ev-13 is only mainly seen and started here in balkans say much,YOU are NOT illyrian at all
See your stupidity hasnt left you.Look at map of Illyria.It streches over all of ex Yugoslavia,and north Albania.In the region of ex-Yugoslavia and north Albania,most dominant haplogroup is I2,which originated 15 000 years ago here on Balkan,and which is called "Illyrian".Your E haplogroup in the mutation Shiptars have originated in Eastern Africa 18 000 years ago.This says it all.You're some African-Arab people,thats obvious by genetics,inteligence,physical appearence,etc.
@truditis 15 000 years ago here on Balkan,.hahahha they cant prove that,the belive that that dna was from around ukraine,Do i have to repat myself to you you are not illyrian,you made thoses names up so you can have all these people in here read your mindless lies..NONE has meaning in serb,,And for you to say that illyria stretched in serbia is correct but we also no that that was not serbian people living there,,Also at one stage illyria spread all the way down epirus,,
Hahahahahah,yeah,its hard when I fuck you because of your origin.I told you about I2 its the research accepted all over the world,that just was the last thing needed to prove we are Illyrians(not to mention culture,words,costumes,history,physical built,inteligence,etc.).Every word I said has the meaning in Serbian,Lipljan comes from "lipa" which is a tree,Valona,comes from word "val" which means "wave" and "na" which means "on",so Valona literally means "place on/next to waves".
@ktm066 the truth is that no nation is pure much more in Balcans ,slavs asimilate some tracians in the same way romanians asimilate some slavs and I am sure albanians do the same ,greeks are a mix of ancient greeks ,tracians ,albanians,vlahs. and slavs too!
@truditis this is my reply, from this company..Thank you for your interest in the E-M35 Project.
There may not be a definitive answer to all your questions because these issues are still being studied and new discoveries are made with each genetic publication. For example, this same month a new paper was published that introduces the discovery of 12 new mutations within the E1b1b1 haplogroup and the whole topology for the tree will need to be adjusted.
Told you just google "African admixture in Europe" and look at distribution of African Haplogroup E.
Genes dont lie my friend,they just explain why most of Shiptars are small and dark people who look like Arabs.
That gene is the the reason why Shiptars are a waste of air,with no achievements in anything.Go do a test on yourself if you have Haplogroup I,you're still a Serb,if you have haplogroup E,then,sorry,you're a Shiptar.
@truditis I already have tested i told you that mant times,,idiot serb,I am not serb,,go to a albanian from the hoti tribe and say he is serb long time ago..you think your smart but you are not,,why would the hoti tribe flee from slavs if they were slavs??It is part of melisia tribe,,,you are a fool,,so this means the whole of northern albanians are serb listen to yourself,you are really stupid,All myths serb all myths of what you think about yourself..It is nown of your migration to balkans,,
We're Europeans you're muslim African gypsies,just look at our achievements and yours.How do you explain that we are so successful in everything,and you're so stupid and talentless without any achievements??
@truditis Then explain why albanians have thraian,illyrain,pelasgian.estrucan in there language and you dont and the whole of balkans influenced each other,,if you were any of these people you would have been influenced by the ancient people of balkans,,
Shiptars have only Turkish,Serbian,Latin and Greek words in their language.Thats what that "language" consists of.Told you already you're nothing more than African gypsies,thats so obvious.
You didnt explain to me why you have no achievements in anything while we have achievements in everything???No scientists,no sportsmen,no culture,no nothing...African blood,my friend...thats the reason.
@ktm066 YOU ARE RIGHT!the ancestors of romanians and albanians were neibours before slvs came in Europe!(Balcans)and yes we share a number of words!It is supossed that we are descendants of the pelasgians the first inhabitants of Balcans.
@truditis Because of time constrains, the volunteer administrators who run the project normally don't engage in this kind of debate via our email service, which is mostly reserved for the E-M35 Project administration, but if you're serious about investigating the subject I recommend that you register a user account at our community forum where you will find the latest discussions and you can participate with your questions and comments.
Now if you say albanians are serbians then you would share more dna of the ev-13 but you dont,,you share r1b,and the croation gene,,and by the way you need to studie more on dna,,
Suntem inconjurati numai de lichele: bulgaroi cu ceafa groasa, grecotei cu nas subtire, rusnaci cu ciorapii nespalati si creierul inundat de alcool, si bozgorime imputita, ne-au napadit cu totii si isi aroga origini in lumea antica si isi dau cu parerea cine au fost tracii.
Salut ! Ma refeream ca noi tracii am fost mai multe triburi, triburile si-au luat numele dupa zona sau in functie cu ce se ocupau : negot, pastorit, vanatoare. etc.....Herodot stia de peste 80 de triburi , ele se pare ca erau peste 200 de triburi.
Bulgarians who revendicate thracian origin, actually are wrong! The thracains have been romanizated, in the 6 century AD they were latin spokers, so they were proto-romananians
Pai englezii au fost sub romani 500 de ani si nu stiu cate cuvinte au latine, noi Tracii de la N de Dunare am fost sub dominatie vreo 165 de ani din ce-mi amintesc, 165 de ani de razboaie .
Most Thracian genes are inherited from the modern Bulgarians and Greeks come much later. Recall that the Greeks fought the Thracians in the Trojan War because both the Trojans and Phrygians and Thracians Thracians were not. The Greeks came to the Balkans at least 2000 years after they were found the first Thracian settlements.
@unfukkkmee Recall that Bulgarian Plovdiv (Pulpudeva) and Stara Zagora (Beroe) and Perperikon and Edirne (Uskudama) are one of the oldest cities in Europe, has no analogue elsewhere in old and are from the pyramids in Egypt. Therefore, the Thracians were not Greeks!
Ma grecii au venit pe la 1900 inainte de Hristos. Noi eram deja . Nu asta conteaza omule ca oricum o sa fim ca S.U.A. O sa ne corcim calumea ! O sa avem un singur guvern, o singura religie, un singur presedinte = U.E. Stai linistit ! Dormi linistit !
Pana la urma suntem cu totii oameni si ar trebui sa punem umar la umar si sa colonizam si alte planete. Ne certam pe un petec de pamant cand gradina este asa de mare. Iti spune un TRAC asta.
Imi cer scuze, nu pe tine te-am facut prost , dar fiecare are istoria lui. Eu nu sunt de acord cu ipoteza romanizarii tracilor si cu asta basta. Prosti au fost profesorii pe care iai avut COMUNISTI
Imi cer scuze, nu pe tine te-am facut prost , dar fiecare are istoria lui. Eu nu sunt de acord cu ipoteza romanizarii tracilor si cu asta basta. Prosti au fost profesorii pe care iai avut COMUNISTI
Sa nu mai zic ca erau din toate colturile imperiului Roman
Ei nu se inteleg intre ei, au mai multe dialecte ca noi si imi spui tu ca ne-a romanizat pe noi . Auzi, spun prostii. Ii si vad pe dacii liberi dand fuga sa invete "latina" haaaa......., si in timp record, eventual cu vreun african din armata imperiului Roman. Au stat ei tracii , se uitau cum construiesc podul peste Dunare si asteptau sa fie romanizati.
Thracia + Dacia = DRACI! LOL! Sometimes these words simply mean where someones from & doesn't designate race. If an American comes to Europe they simply say he's "an American" or "westerner", which doesn't give any clue to his race, culture or background. The same thing back then different ppl used various words to describe others & they were NEVER fixed & sometimes not even literal, just words of choice. This completely confuses ppl looking for history & turned many into fools & created lies.
SLAVI=Rusia,Bulgaria=Serbia,Polonia,Ucraina = FUCK
costeabogdan1981 2 weeks ago
DARDANI=ROMANI=ITALIANS
GETO-DACIANS=ROMANIANS
ILIRI=ARMANI=AROMANIANS=MACEDONIANS
GOTHS=GETI=HISPANICI=SPANIA
costeabogdan1981 2 weeks ago
LATINOS=THRACIANS
costeabogdan1981 2 weeks ago
part 2
most of the Thracians eventually became hellenized or romanised (Moesia and Dacia). In the 6th century, some Thraco-Romans and hellenized Thracians south of the Danube River made contacts with the invading Slavs and were later eventually slavicised. - wikipedia
rurounisld 3 weeks ago
In pre-classical and classical antiquity, this region was home to Greeks, Illyrians, Paeonians, Thracians, Dacians and other ancient groups. - wikipedia
greeks and thracians were neighbours and very different. language,religion culture were different. In the time of Fillip 2 the thracians close to the greeks were conquered and hellenised.
rurounisld 3 weeks ago
Film has been made in Bulgaria so quiet! Thracian identity we guard it and some people in our neighboring countries. Valley of the Kings is in the center of Bulgaria!
kudobourgas 3 weeks ago
Филма е правен за България така че спокойно ! Тракийското самосъзнание го пазим ние и част от населението в нашите съседни държави.Долината на тракийските царе е в центъра на България !
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unfukkkmee 1 month ago
THE RHRACIANS ARE GREEKS.
LISTEN NOW
THE ROMANIANS ARE SLAVOMONGOLIAN BITCHES.
unfukkkmee 1 month ago
lagarul civilizatiei este Rumania
adica tracii
cristianmicalaca 3 months ago
lagarul civilizatiei este Rumania
cristianmicalaca 3 months ago
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.....normal ca si aryenii au ripostat,mai ales ca sunt oamenii lui D-zeu,au descoperit fierul si si-au luat revansa......semitii s-au impus pana la urma si in prezent prin magie ,vrajitorie,religie,secte erezii,...apelend la razboiul vazut si nevazut,stiut si nestiut.....doar asa au putut sa-i robeasca,exploateze,domine,conduca si manipuleze pe oameni....mozaismul,masoneria,crestinismu,....demonstreaza aceste lucruri fara drept de apel ....
boogieman03ful 4 months ago
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.....normal ca si aryenii au ripostat,mai ales ca sunt oamenii lui D-zeu,au descoperit fierul si si-au luat revansa......semitii s-au impus pana la urma si in prezent prin magie ,vrajitorie,religie,secte erezii,...apelend la razboiul vazut si nevazut,stiut si nestiut.....doar asa au putut sa-i robeasca,exploateze,domine,conduca si manipuleze pe oameni....mozaismul,masoneria,crestinismu,....demonstreaza aceste lucruri fara drept de apel
boogieman03ful 4 months ago
acum 7500 de ani,rasa semitika,triburile akhlamu,arameii,akadienii,evreii....au profitat de minerit si minereurile de arama din zona palestino-iordaniana,au prelucrat arama in unelte si arme si insuflati de diavol au atacat tinuturile pasnice ale aryenilor,pelasgilor,hiperborenilor,ramanilor,oameni buni,puri,blanzi,inocenti,naivi.....ca la orice razboi a urmat o serie de crime,crize,jafuri,violuri,....blestematii,sunt trecute si in biblie cateva episoade.....
boogieman03ful 4 months ago
marele neam al Tracilor
DACIAN77RO 4 months ago
the Egyptian is the oldest civilasation
McStab1 4 months ago
@McStab1 are you jokeing?:)))
ecstasy1982original 2 months ago
THE GREEK OLYMPIANS CREATED THE EGYPT. THE EGYPTIANS ARE GREEKS.
@McStab1 U ARE ARAB OR AFRICAN
unfukkkmee 1 month ago
Thracians are Pelasgians just like the Macedonians, Illyrians and Epiriots.
K052382 5 months ago
The earliest surviving language still spoken by Thracians is Romanian. So if you feel thracian maybe you should all learn Romanian since the original thracian language was lost and the slavic languages formed 600 years after the last Roman conquest of Thracian land. Let's just form one big country in Eastern Europe and the Balkns - Romania !!!
unomnacajit11 11 months ago 2
@unomnacajit11 RUBBISH
ktm066 8 months ago
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So we are to understand that the Bulgarians(otherwise known as the Crastaveckis) are the first cilization on earth and the Crastaveckis were once the masters of the universe.... pfahahhaaahaha... poor crastaveckis...pathetic...
unomnacajit11 11 months ago
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ZamolxisGebeleizis 11 months ago
The reference to Caucasus is down to Eastern Romans (Byzantines) who called "Albanians" the people of Kaspian sea (where modern Azerbaitzan is). It is not any necessity to have a link with modern Albanians. But the name clearly back then was used for Caucasian people, not for Balkanic people. In Balkans Byzantines wrote very detailed accounts of all tribes there, yet they fail to see any Albanian or Skipetar. Perhaps they used another name back then. We do not know. More research must be done.
notgodsemigod 11 months ago
@notgodsemigod The reference to Caucasus is down to Eastern Romans (Byzantines) who called "Albanians" the people of Kaspian sea (where modern Azerbaitzan is). It is not any necessity to have a link with modern Albanians. But the name clearly back then was used for Caucasian people, not for Balkanic people.lol then if you have studied albanian language like you say then you will no that there is no proff of this,modern scholars in 2006 found old orthodox church where albania is in caucasus,
ktm066 11 months ago
@ktm066 And the people who lived there speak a slavnic language udie or some shit but anyway,this church is one of the oldest orthodoxx church in the world,Im sorry to tell you but albanians didnt get religion until the romans arrived in balkans,befor that we had none,,And as for serbs and bosnians have alot of illyrian makes me smile,how can a population of slavnic in there thousands come and mix with illyrians,,it is impossiable for bosnians to have the so called illyrian dna and at
ktm066 11 months ago
@ktm066 % they think they do,serbians and slavs came in waves bosnia,croatia were hit the hardest from the migration of slavs..So how can bosnia have a high illyrian dna as they say there were more slavs thaan illyrian by far,dont speak your propaganda about albanian language and where they came from.as you said kaspian sea,,lol that was quickly thrown out by all historians around the world,My language as i have told you before has much thracian and also we have illyrian tribes
ktm066 11 months ago
@ktm066 and the meaning witch no seb no bosnian no croatians have,all traditions of serbs croatian,bosnians are all the same it is very very ukraine,,and some parts of russia,,so please if you have done some research on my language i also suggest you to study our thousands of words that are not latin and greek,,You all belive our language is just mixed i can asure you know we have more of our own uneak language than borrowed,,
ktm066 11 months ago
@ktm066 Adn if you belive because albania was in cuacsus and there is a name albania in balkans that they are same people then you would be a fool..there is apollonia in causcasus, also apollonia is greek are they from there to,there is siberia in russia are they from there ?Yes i belive some where from there and from carpathian mountauins,,there is many other countrys names in other parts of the world,,,does that mean they are from there ?NO,you show no valid proof of what you say and
ktm066 11 months ago
@ktm066 also modern scholars has already said albanians in balkans have no connection with albania in caucasus it is completely rejected. nice try though this is a modern propaganda from greeks and serbs,well done you studied nothing but pure propaganda from your orthodox brothers,,lol my language is the oldest language in balkans if you dont like it stiff shit except it the scholars around the world has,,good by have fun with your bullshit propaganda,,lol
ktm066 11 months ago
@ktm066 Now I understand that the terrible lack of historic trace drives Albanians desperate and you are into any stupid propaganda to prove that you lived since ancient times in the Balkans (you might had done so but certainly NOT in the lands that are modern Albania as it is crystal clear that you first appeared in the triangle of Montenegro-northern Albania-Kosovo and from there gradually you descended more south).
Saying you have the "oldest language" is terribly funny. Where is the trace?
notgodsemigod 11 months ago
@notgodsemigod You understand that you dig all over North Epirus,then all over coastal Albania and you find ONLY Greek in classical times and Roman in Roman times. You have yet to find any linguistic evidence. The Albanian language has most of its original albanian vocabulary related to mountains while most of the sea-related vocabulary is imported by Latin and Greek showing that Albanians came from the inner lands of the north and not from any coastal lands.
notgodsemigod 11 months ago
@notgodsemigod So if one has to search for the Albanian origins that should be in the inner part of south Montenegro and eastern Kosovo and northern Albania, not really on the coastal parts or the southern parts, clearly taken from the Greeks (Epirus).
All the rest is modern Albanian bullshit in their will to expand into other peoples' lands. The appropriation of the name Epirus and the history of Epirus that happens to be the Greek birthplace, is identical bullshit to the bullshit of FYROMians
notgodsemigod 11 months ago
@notgodsemigod yOU ARE A IDIOT,,First of all i suggets you go to rome and take a deep breath and go into the museum and take a look on the walls of the museum.It shows albanian land,,,,Not so long ago everyone called albanians epiruts.And the fact that nearly all of the people in epirut speak my albanians dilect,1913 chunk of albanians land was taken from albania,You think you soo smart but you read bullshit from yt.all the people in epirus speaks albanian dilect.
ktm066 8 months ago
@ktm066 there is more than 4 dilects of tosk and gheg,Something you didnt know i bet,the suliots speak albanian dilect..arvanties speak albanian dilect,Both these people greeks say they are greek but they have no idea what language they speak,,Ounce again you know nothing about albanians,There is cental gheg,eastern ghegmsouth gheg,northern gheg western gheg,all simulare but little diffrent,same with tosk,And as for the kosova thing dont get me started.kosova is and will always be albanian land
ktm066 8 months ago
@ktm066 And both these people live in epirus..You want to bet with me..I hear there music and i still can understand them there traditions are albanian costumes are albanian and language ,greater albania yes greater albania was alive and was part of our land long time ago,We just want our lands back taken from bulagrians,greeks and serbs who all shared our land and divided amonst eachother,now fuck off with your bullshit.You stuidied lies my friend,,
ktm066 8 months ago
@ktm066 Pay attention to what I say and do not imagine things. I did not link necessarily Skipetars to Asian Albania. All I said is that Eastern Romans who had recorded down even the smallest of tribes that circulated in the balkans did not at all refer to any Skipetars or Albanians. The term "Albanians" was used back then for a Caucasian people where modern Azerbaitzan is, and nowhere else. There is also no reference to any Skipetars or to any tribe that could be linked to modern Albanians.
notgodsemigod 11 months ago
@notgodsemigod Albanians appear in late Eastern Roman texts and in very ambiguous forms e.g. the villagers of Arvenon... but nobody tells us that these were Albanians or Bulgarians, Serbians, Italians, or Greeks... while the first really precise mention comes from...crusader Italians who used Albanians as mercenaries.
It is also noteworthy that Albanians are historically first spotted in south Montenegro-east Kosovo and from there they enterred into modern day northern and central Albania.
notgodsemigod 11 months ago
@notgodsemigod That should not estrange you. In fact if you claim to be Illyrians this is 100% since Illyrians lived at the most south in what is today northern Albania (in the frontiers with Monte-negro). Perhaps that also may explain the absence of records on Albanians by the Byzantines: if Albanians were an Illyrian tribe residing in Croatia, Bosnia & Montenegro then they would be subjects of the Slavic kingdoms and as such Eastern Romans might have not mentioned them on their own.
notgodsemigod 11 months ago
Even anthropologically as a race Albanians despite their presence over 1000 years do still look like alien in the Mediterranean presenting clearly Caucasian looks. If Albanians lived for more than 1000 years next to the Mediterranean Greeks and Romans they should look much more Mediterranean like themselves but actually even the coastal Slavic Croatians look more Mediterranean than Albanians. For the anthropologist this is a clear sign that the tribe does not habitate for many millenia here.
notgodsemigod 11 months ago
Albanians first appeared in the triangle between north Albania, south Montenegro and southwest Kosovo and from there they spread to modern day Albania as mercenaries.
notgodsemigod 11 months ago
The first direct references to Albanians come from Italian conquerors of Byzantine Empire who used Albanians as mercenaries and so did the Byzantine Greek state of Epirus. And that is interesting since before that Byzantines did not seem to know any Albanians though they mentioned a huge number of even the smallest tribes around...
Any research in Albania shows that ALL the south and even up to central - western parts were habitated by Greeks and all the eastern by Bulgarians.
notgodsemigod 11 months ago
The problem is that in this neighbourhood, there lived Greeks, Romans, then there came Bulgarians and Serbians and Croatians and all these were ruled by the Eastern Roman Empire and ALL these people left written records in the middle ages and guess what...NONE ever mentioned the existence of any Albanians (or Skipetars whatsoever). First vague mention arrives 1000 years ago and it is not even any proof. Proven record comes some 800 years back. That is how much back you can go in your history.
notgodsemigod 11 months ago
@notgodsemigod ok they were mentiond by greeks in the 5thctry again i ask you to studie my language before you listen to serbian propaganda,,,THANX
ktm066 11 months ago
@notgodsemigod An by the way ia have around 600 Thracian words that we share with you romanians that must be modern aswell..
ktm066 11 months ago
@ktm066 I have read essays on the Albanian language and there is nothing there to say that this "Latin" present in Albanian is any older than 1000 years. For the Albanian language to had been present in western Balkans for more than 1000 years (as Albanians claim) there had to be a deeper link to (ancient) Latin and (ancient) Greek. However, Albanian language's connection to Latin and Greek is as much that of German or French or Ukrainian and Georgian but no ancient link present there.
notgodsemigod 11 months ago
@notgodsemigod If Albanians were always there, they should had been citizens of the Byzantine Empire. Only that NO Byzantine record refers to Albanians. First vague reference is of a 12th century manuscript referring to a village called Arbenon (but that need not be related to the term "Albanian"). If anything for Byzantines, Albanians were a nation that habitated south Caucasus, where Azerbaitzan exists today, i.e. the term "Albanian" was connected to Caucasus rather than the Balkans.
notgodsemigod 11 months ago
@notgodsemigod and so have i,,for you to say Georgian and you have learned lessons on albanian then you are propaganda strait up..lol
ktm066 11 months ago
@ktm066 I am on no propaganda. In fact I would rather prefer our neighbours Albanians being local indigenous Illyrians. However, apart the fact that Albanians certainly incorporated some south Illyrian tribes (south Illyrians were in the triangle of north Albania, west Kosovo and Montenegro), there is not any proof of any deeper link. Serbians and Bosnians and Croatians incorporated many more Illyrians in fact. And Bulgarians incorporated lots of Thraecians.
notgodsemigod 11 months ago
The so called "north Thraecians" seemed to be too much Celtic-Scythian to be related to the south. Naturally since all shorts of celtic tribes arrived from central Europe via the Danube (Celts were primarily following the rivers of Europe) all while Scythians arrived too easily from the Ukrainian plains. However, the mountains where Bulgaria is, hindered largely both of these. As such the north and the south had a different development. No surprise. Humans follow geography.
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
So much that linguistic experts classify often Phrygian into a same family with Greek language. Now what is really funny is that Phrygians were a prime example of southern Thraecians. So how these Phrygians were related to north Thraecians? Was Thrace a tribe? Or was it a geographical notion? Greeks tended to name Thraecians mostly the southern tribes. They would not need to go up to Ukraine to include Scythians or protoSlavs with it.
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
... one has to read ancient Phrygian of say 600 B.C. to understand how Phrygians, a culture that lived not so much in the coast but in inner Minor Asia and who dealt mostly with the Lydians and Medians and Persians rather than with Greeks (whom controlled them ONLY after Alexander the Great) they were so closely related to Greeks. After some 800 years of different evolution and of foreign (not at all Greek) influences, their language still resembled Greek to a great extend.
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
As for Thraecians... that is not even certain who they were since south Thraecians did not seem to have any distinct link with north Thraecians. Actually we know what language south Thraecians spoke and that was really so close to Greek that was of course nothing else than a Greek dialect. In fact even Phrygians (Thraecians from South Thrace who migrated to Minor Asia prior to 1200 B.C.), after some more than 800 years of isolation deep in Minor Asia had a language so close to Greek.
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
The first tribal mention on Albanians comes from ... an Italian record of the 14th century telling about an Italian merchant who was... robbed by robbers in night and heard them talking in "albanese"... Quite precisely what Albanians did and what they continued to do up to our days...
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
... but Illyrians back then were either Latinised, Slavicised or Hellenised. "Albanian" was a term used by Byzantines for... Caucasian tribes living east of Armenians (i.e. modern Azerbaitzan). And it is quite funny that modern Albanians present facial characteristics that are still strikingly resembling those of Caucasians. Hence, there is a large possibility that the proto-albanians came to Balkans out of a population move and established somewhere between northern Albanian, Montenegro, Kosovo
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
Albanians claim to be indigenous. But if they were indigenous then that would mean that they would live side by side Greeks and Romans for millenia. However their language has absolutely no signs of any influence of either ancient Greek or ancient Latin and all Greek and Latin influences are really traced to maximum 600-800 years ago meaning that first Albanian speakers did arrive there much much later. Now if they mixed with Illyrians that is another question.
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
@notgodsemigod hahahahh you fool..there is much ancint roman in our language,,,,hahha idiot..
ktm066 11 months ago
@ktm066 No there is not. It is not "ancient Roman", it is Renaissance Italian idiot. And that dates less than 800 years. Same goes for all Greek influence in your language, it dates less than 1000 years. Which of course is a very strong indication that prior to that Albanians were NOT neighbouring with either Greeks or Italians.
notgodsemigod 11 months ago
@notgodsemigod hahahah,Im gheg albanian i have latin rome in my language thanx before you say silly shit i ask you to studie albanian language ,,,
ktm066 11 months ago
E vre-o emisiune Discovery Channel?? Unde găsesc documentarul complet?
Scipione01 1 year ago
Bardyllis=greek Βάρδυλις which is translation from Serbian language БиХ расол ресурси од око=BiH rasol resursi od oko=Β άρ δυλις =BH brine resources of about ...Check google translator and you will see....Also separated Greek Β=Serbian БиХ=BH ENGLISH and Greek άρ δυλις=Serbian Члан средства од око=ENGLISH Member funds of about
trnjana 1 year ago
@trnjana Bardyllis is 100% albanian,,I dont need to change shit,,It is albanian word,,nice try..If i seperrated my language into describing place the whole balkans would be albanians,The letters E,T,O,A,M, AND SO ON HAS MEANIANG BY THEMSELFS,tHEN YOU WOULD HAVE MANY LATIN WORDS IN SERB BUT YOU DONT MORE OF ANYTHING RUSSIAN,BULGARIAN, NO LATIN SORRY SERB,NICE TRY
ktm066 1 year ago
@trnjana YOU SEE YOU ARE WRONG IN MANY THINGS THE TIMES ABOUT SERBIANS FROM MIGRATION OF SLAVS, FROM YOUR LANGUAGE, FROM EVERYTHING DOES NOT WORK FOR YOU,WHY CANT YOU JUST ADMIT THAT ALBANIANS ARE FROM WHERE THEY ARE FROM,,YOU DONT NEED TO PROVE ANYONE WRONG YOU CANT PROVE ALBANIAN WRONG BECAUSE THERE IS WAY TO MUCH ABOUT THEM THAT PROVES THEY ARE FROM BALKANS,,MOST LIKELY DARDANIA,,
ktm066 1 year ago
@trnjana
ktm066 1 year ago
Migrating Slavs reached the Balkans during the waves of "barbarian" invasions at the end of the Roman Empire.witch means the illyrian would have got much latin words from the romans,,
ktm066 1 year ago
@ktm066
Shiptars invaded Balkan with the Turks,and you invaded Serbian/Illyrian lands.You have no names for Pristina,Pec,Lipljan,Berat,Skoplje,Skadar,Valona,Cernevode,Tirana,etc,etc,yet you claim they are your lands??hahahahahahah,fucking pathetic!
Not just language,culture and look,but also genetics prove you're not from here,African parasite!Go back to Sudan,muslim gypsy,stop stealing our and Greek history.
truditis 1 year ago
@truditis Shiptars invaded Balkan with the Turks,who were the turks fighting when we came with them?lol idiot ask a turk what albanians did to them.we made them scream with pain for 24yrs,Pec, is peja and it is a illyrian name,you serbs renamed all of kosova to suit yourselfs only by little.Skoplje,what are you talking about these have meaning in albanian see you are ounce again not using the ancient names for these places only names that serbs renamed to have meaning in there
ktm066 1 year ago
@truditis barbarian language,as for borrowing from greeks we have hundreds of words that supposed to be greek and found in greece and they have no idea what these words mean,as for latin albanians were influenced by romans witch is normal for illyrian,alabnians latin influenced was influenced way way before serbs were in balkans and this is studied and fact from around the world,,so what you are saying is that modern albania and kosova is serbians?if you belive that then you nedd serious help
ktm066 1 year ago
@ktm066
You never fought against the Turks you were their slaves and they settled you here,why would you fight them???
Pec has a meaning in Serbian,Peje means nothing in Albanian,its an abriviation of the word Pec.I told you where the name Skoplje derives from,we used these names since the dawn of time,you have no words for cities,rivers,mountains in Balkan,you either use Turkish words or abriviate Serb ones.You dont even have a name for Kosovo,you call it Kosova.
truditis 1 year ago
@truditis Pec is not the real name for that city. are you kidding me you see you are retarded,yes it has meaning in albanian most of these do but just cant be fucked explaining it to you because it is pointless your a serb i would get more common sence if i walked out the back and spoke to the bricks,,do your research on the names and places that are in kosova and albania and you will find them,,You dont even have a name for Kosovo,you call it Kosova. yes we do its called DARDANIA,and that has
ktm066 1 year ago
@truditis hahah you are dumb look and research for yourself,I cant be bothered telling you.you are a serb i could get more common sence out of a piece of timber,Research yourself,You dont even have a name for Kosovo,you call it Kosova.Yes we do it is DARDANIA.and it is where my people are from thekings name is in my language and no other,his daughters,princess everything,,but as i said research and expand that propaganda brain of yours.
ktm066 1 year ago
@ktm066
When you google Serbs in wikipedia,under genetics says in the end:"Thus, Serbs are mainly descendants of Paleo-Balkan peoples previously known as Dacians, Illyrians and Thracians.[36]"...that says it all you have the reaserch above,all the genetics tests pove the same thing,we're native Balkan people,once called "Illyrians" or "Thracians",you're African niggers.
truditis 1 year ago
@truditis hahah you are dumb look and research for yourself,I cant be bothered telling you.you are a serb i could get more common sence out of a piece of timber,Research yourself,You dont even have a name for Kosovo,you call it Kosova.Yes we do it is DARDANIA.and it is where my people are from thekings name is in my language and no other,his daughters,princess everything,,but as i said research and expand that propaganda brain of yours.
ktm066 1 year ago
@truditis No one on this whole intire planet would beive you and would never belive you,,you are out rageous,,you are 100% full on retard to belive that shit,,albanians dont give a fuck about serbs who cares we know who use are,we no when use came.your just full of shit.Do me a favour go tell a greek that your illyrian.and that albanians stole your history,,babahahahah complete idiot.
ktm066 1 year ago
this man do you know what means?Bardyllis??I do it is albanian word,and this name is around 385bc..etuta I do,, heheh you see i have just told you names of places these are dardanian kings and chldren of king,can you please tell me the meanings then i shall tell you all meanings to all
ktm066 1 year ago
hahahh dumb fucking serbian pig,,you are nothing but a goat catcher,,your dna may be form europe,But my language is from balkans,,hehehe,and let me also remind you that there is 12 mutations of the eb1 that has been found,
ktm066 1 year ago
Illyrian toponyms, ancient Illyrian place names for cities, rivers and mountains, are preserved today in the Albanian language, and only in Albanian.you have to change the menaings to get some sought of meaning I dont,,
ktm066 1 year ago
I see no serbian?why?you do know where the romanians lived in dacia dont you and what region...you are not shit you are not illyrian,nor thracian,dont bother trying to find meanins for these words because these are thracian and only shared between albanians and romanians,and it has been studied.
ktm066 1 year ago
do you know what this means,,Mal i Zi.it is thracian,,it mean montenegro,we use the some thracian word to decribe a place..since we have borrowed much can you tell me who know the meaning of this in there language other thaan the dacians romanians who eveyone knows there are thracian,,?
ktm066 1 year ago
come on illyrian serb? can any slavnic tell me what these citys mean,Any bosnian or croatian it is illyrian names,,Vlore,Ulkini,Antivar,Ulpiana,Pejum,Shkupi,Shkodrini,Ujebardha,Epidurras,Lissios,Uscana..Please i am so interested..lol..slavnics=carpathian mountains gypsys,,FACT i can serb..lol idiot serb
ktm066 1 year ago
@ktm066
Ulpiana was called Ljipljan before the Romans,Valon(originale name for Vlore) means "place next to waves',
Skoplje comes from Scupi,which literally means "where people meet",from Serbian verb "skupiti" - "to collect,meet"..city of Berat was once called Beograd,but after Turks conquered it they renamed in Berat,etc.
See,every toponym in Albania is Serbian,Turkish or Latin in origin.You're just nomadic gypsies who arrived here with the Turks.
truditis 1 year ago
@truditis ahhahahahah that is the funniest thing i have ever herd.lmfao..Ljipljan has no meaning in serbian i checked,,Валона means vlore but it has no meaning to the word vlore..Сцупи means scupi witch means what? Nothing also in serbian i checked it just give the word translate in serb a but has no meaning,,hahahah you are a idiot,,who is full of shit..so much shit you belive the shit comes out your mouth,If you are saying these words are based on serb words that are simular then use r retard
ktm066 1 year ago
@truditis All those names are the original names of illyrian tribes,,,hahah stupid slav,,
ktm066 1 year ago
@truditis Albani Ardiaei Autariatae Bathiatae Bylliones Deretini Cavii Chelidones Daorsi Dassareti Deuri Dyestes Kinambroi Enchelei Melcumani Narensi Penestae Sardeates Selepitani
do you know these illyrian tribes? lol
ktm066 1 year ago
@ktm066 oare - (roughly) "really", "isn't it"; Latin "volet", Albanian "vallë"
#olog - "lame, crippled", "lame man, cripple"; Albanian "ulok"
pală - (hay) "quantity of hay held by a pitchfork", (wind) "breeze" păstaie - pod"seedcase"; Albanian "pistajë""bishtajë" pârâu, pârău - "brook"; Albanian "përrua" (and/or from the Romanian "râu", which originates from the Latin word "rivus prunc - "baby"; cf. Latin "princeps" which meant "first, foremost" pupăză - "hoopoe"; Albanian "pupëzë"
ktm066 1 year ago
@ktm066 răgaz - "rest", "respite" rânză - "gizzard", "stomach"; Albanian "rrëndës" (meaning rennet)
sâmbure - "stone", "pit"; Albanian "sumbull", "thumbull"
ktm066 1 year ago
ktm066 1 year ago
@ktm066 # văpaie - "flame", "blaze"; Albanian "vapë" is heat
# viezure - "badger"; Albanian "vjedull"
# zară, zer - "whey"; Albanian "dhallë"
# zbârli - "of the hair when it is raised and spiked up; frightened; enraged"
ktm066 1 year ago
@ktm066 # bală, balaur - "dragon" "monster"; Albanian "bollë" (meaning snake);cf. Phrygian 'balaios' (meaning "large", "fast")
# baligă - "manure"; Albanian "bajgë"
# baltă - "puddle", "swamp"; Albanian "baltë" means "puddle, mud"; Phrygian 'belte' (swamp)
# barză - "stork"; Albanian "bardhë" (meaning white)
# băiat - "boy"
# bârsă - "part of the plough" (for the actual definition see the DEX); Albanian "vërz"
# beregată - "throat"
# brad - "fir"; Albanian "bredh"
# brânză - "cheese"
ktm066 1 year ago
@ktm066 # brâu - "belt", "girdle"; Albanian "bres", "brezi"
# broască - "frog"; Albanian "breshkë" means 'tortoise' or 'turtle', Latin "brosca" meant 'frog'
# buc - "remaining chaff after the hemp seeds or the linseeds have been winnowed"; Albanian "byk"
# bucuros - "happy"; "bukurosh" in Albanian is "beautiful"/"handsome" (male)
# bufniţă - "owl"; Albanian "buf"
# bulz - "ball of corn mush"; Albanian "bulez"
# bunget - "thicket"; Albanian "bunk"
# burduf -"sack" (related to burtă)
ktm066 1 year ago
@ktm066 There is an old Illyrian place called Albulene that is Alb = white Ule (old Illyrian) = water or "Uje i bardhe" today Albanian.
The same derivation has Ulk (old Illyrian) by the name of the ancient city Ulkinon (today Ulqin) to Ujk that mean wolf. Tirane/Tirana, Kruje/Kruja, Elbasan/Elbasani, Durres/Durresi..The Albanian thunder god of Illyrian origin. He is the consort of Prende illyrian) the goddess of love.
ktm066 1 year ago
ktm066 1 year ago
Ok i found a none slavnic studie that suggests that the ev-13 gene has not been studied to the full as of yet but will be soon,they dont know ehen the people carrying this gene arrived,
ktm066 1 year ago
now lets see what other NONE albanians and slavnics say about our genes,maybe to morrow i have to sleep pig.
ktm066 1 year ago
now lets see who did these studies shell we,there names,d,marianovic,s,vidovic,n.pojovic.k.drobnic,and many more slavnic,,hahahah you idiot,,If i use the first to letter of the haplogroup i then would get reults of being aroun 50,000yrs old,,plus
ktm066 1 year ago
@ktm066
By the way,look up "Dinaric race"-race of the Illyrians,to whom almost all Serbs,Croats and Slovenians belong to,and a very small minority of Albanians(albanized Serbs).That,Haplogroup I,and Vinca culture say everything dont they?
We are the descendants of the oldest European civilization,thats why we have so many scientists,sportsmen,achievements in culture and war,Shiptars are Africans,thats why they lack any of that,plus they're the poorest people in Europe and criminals!
truditis 1 year ago
@truditis We are the descendants of the oldest European civilization,thats why we have so many scientists,sportsmen,achievements in culture and war,Shiptars are Africans,thats why they lack any of that,plus they're the poorest people in Europe and criminals!hahahh idiot serb it was the ev-13 humans who gave you culture sport, civilization,hahaha,I still dont belive this because it still doesnt make sence,as for scientists it is alway a slavnic people who do this tests,,cant wait igenea to
ktm066 1 year ago
@ktm066
Hahahahah,no,no,no your E haplogroup is African,and it had nothing to do with agriculture or anything else in Europe.
Best example,Shiptars have the highest concetracion of that haplogroup,and you have NO achievements in sports,culture,science,Albania is the poorest country in Europe,and MENSA didnt bother to open its office in Albania,and you claim that your haplogroup brought culture???!ahhahahahahhahahahah,you're in serious denial man!
truditis 1 year ago
@truditis do tests on kosova albanians they have said they are going to be testing soon..If kosova albanians turn out slavnic i will send you 1,million dollars,but if studies have already been done as ev-13 then why is there a point in doing it?maybe there was never tests done on kosova albanians,,??
ktm066 1 year ago
@ktm066
Look moron,there are about 15% of Slavic genes(Haplogroup R1a1a) in all of Balkan.We're not Slavs,neither are you.
We're the Dinarides(Haplogroup I2),separate European race,which is the founder of European civilization.You are an Albanized Serb,that means you are too,unless your family mixed with Shiptars heavily,then you're African(Haplogroup E).
BTW,google "African admixture in Europe" and see the map in wikipedia.
truditis 1 year ago
@truditis look serb,who the fuck are you to tell me who i am,,I know who i am,Im a proud albanian who can trace back his family long long time,,,Your dna is more r1a than anything and that is a ver common slavnic gene,,What i dont get is how can bosnians be Illyrian and serbs?If you say i am serb then there is onlyone possiable logic,,since the HOTI ALBANIAN tribe spoke gheg ALBANIAN and migrated from bosnia many many yrs ago infact when the slavs came,
ktm066 1 year ago
@ktm066
Im not saying you're a Serb,Im saying you used to be a Serb,but your family was weak and became shiptarized,so you probably mixed with Shiptars,which means you have their filthy genes,and are not suitable to be called a Serb.Hoti tribe was a Serbian tribe from Herzegovina,they migrated to Albania,became shiptarized and adopted Turkic Shiptar language.North Albania was pure Serbian also before the Turks and Shiptars came.
truditis 1 year ago
@truditis wtf year you know my family bahahah,,serbs have r1a and ev-13 24% infact,,you are a gypsys who came from carpatian mountains..
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ktm066 1 year ago
@truditis Serb.Hoti tribe was a Serbian tribe from Herzegovina,there were people in bosnia before slav came if you dont know that then you really dont know history,you are a gypsys,,,bosnians croatians were slavnised,,If bosnians were illyrians then they wouldnt have the high amount of i1a or what ever it would be,,IF IT IS TRUE most studies i have seen on internet are studies from slavnic back grounds,wait serb and see
ktm066 1 year ago
@truditis Could mean that the gheg albanians could have lived also s far as bosnia?LOGIC..I still dont belive that serbs are illyrians,,AT ALL,and if i am serb you would share the high % of our dna witch you dont?I wont be getting facts from a site about serbs and slavs,And now that i know that site is a slavnic propaganda site,I asked infomation about ev-13,to a genetic company.She told me that the ev-13 program is very old and there has not been so many studies to prove how long it has been EU
ktm066 1 year ago
@ktm066
Serbs are not Illyrians,Illyrians are Serbs..."illyrians" was the name used for us by the Romans,we never called ourselves that.And I told you you stupid fucking frustrated idiot,most common gene in Serbs is I2,while R1b is as low as 15% in us and all other Balkan nations.Most common haplogroup in Shiptars is African haplogroup E.All the genetic researches show that,you're in denial,but truth is the truth,you really thought your fake nation can lie for a long time?
truditis 1 year ago
@truditis It is immpossiable for serbs to be illyrians,for one illyrians were in balkans before serbs ,2 your language has nothing to do with illyrian,3,you cant name me 2 illyrian tribes at all that is in your language,4 it is sad for you to call me serb when infact im albanian,,the bullshit about hoti tribe is propaganda from 1 serbian who wrote this so you all belive it,even know it was thrown strait out,
ktm066 1 year ago
@ktm066
I told you already Serbs are not Illyrians,Illyrians are Serbs,thats the name Romans called us.
My language is Illyrian,yours is most closely related to Chechen,my people were here since the dawn of time,which genetic proves,your Shiptar muslim scum came with the Turks and polluted our land.You have African genes,you look like Arabs,you're uninteligent and talentless gypsies,poorest people in Europe.
truditis 1 year ago
@truditis hahahahaa sooooo funny
ktm066 1 year ago
@truditis The only name itaila named serbs was barbarians,the migration of the slavnics,,the medertraian was inhabbit by serbs or slavs,,this is fact,,tell me why is ev-13 common in europe? greeks macedonians,, albania kosova,and many other places,,you i repeat are not illyrian,,you are a gypsy who came to balkans on a goat,A well know serb said that serbs lie so much they belive there lies they say,,you are a fool,,
ktm066 1 year ago
@ktm066
Ev-13 is not common in Europe at all its common in Shiptars who're an African-Asian muslim gypsy tribe.
The only immigration to Balkans was of you and Turks in the 15th century.Your nation doesnt exist,you're a fake nation consisting of those Turkic Shiptars and shiptarized Serbs and Greeks.
Told you to look "african admixture in Europe" dont be afraid....you're African,you have nothing to do with Europe,so I dont understand why don you pack up and leave!
truditis 1 year ago
@ktm066
Genetic tests prove everything!! ahahahahahahahahaah,no,you idiot no genetic research was done by Slavs,those are international results,which show you have the filthiest haplogroup possible,thats why everyone makes fun of you.
Hoti were a Serbian tribe,who escaped from Herzegovina,when Turks occupied it,and all the founders had Serbian names.Most of them became shiptarized,cause they were weak and traitors,and now they're cursed,they're SHIPTARS,the worst possible thing! Grose!!
truditis 1 year ago
@truditis proves what proves that you are from europe?maybe?butthe fact that the ev-13 is only mainly seen and started here in balkans say much,YOU are NOT illyrian at all
ktm066 1 year ago
@ktm066
See your stupidity hasnt left you.Look at map of Illyria.It streches over all of ex Yugoslavia,and north Albania.In the region of ex-Yugoslavia and north Albania,most dominant haplogroup is I2,which originated 15 000 years ago here on Balkan,and which is called "Illyrian".Your E haplogroup in the mutation Shiptars have originated in Eastern Africa 18 000 years ago.This says it all.You're some African-Arab people,thats obvious by genetics,inteligence,physical appearence,etc.
truditis 1 year ago
@truditis 15 000 years ago here on Balkan,.hahahha they cant prove that,the belive that that dna was from around ukraine,Do i have to repat myself to you you are not illyrian,you made thoses names up so you can have all these people in here read your mindless lies..NONE has meaning in serb,,And for you to say that illyria stretched in serbia is correct but we also no that that was not serbian people living there,,Also at one stage illyria spread all the way down epirus,,
ktm066 1 year ago
@ktm066
Hahahahahah,yeah,its hard when I fuck you because of your origin.I told you about I2 its the research accepted all over the world,that just was the last thing needed to prove we are Illyrians(not to mention culture,words,costumes,history,physical built,inteligence,etc.).Every word I said has the meaning in Serbian,Lipljan comes from "lipa" which is a tree,Valona,comes from word "val" which means "wave" and "na" which means "on",so Valona literally means "place on/next to waves".
truditis 1 year ago
@ktm066 the truth is that no nation is pure much more in Balcans ,slavs asimilate some tracians in the same way romanians asimilate some slavs and I am sure albanians do the same ,greeks are a mix of ancient greeks ,tracians ,albanians,vlahs. and slavs too!
lagasa91 19 hours ago
@truditis this is my reply, from this company..Thank you for your interest in the E-M35 Project.
There may not be a definitive answer to all your questions because these issues are still being studied and new discoveries are made with each genetic publication. For example, this same month a new paper was published that introduces the discovery of 12 new mutations within the E1b1b1 haplogroup and the whole topology for the tree will need to be adjusted.
ktm066 1 year ago
@ktm066
Told you just google "African admixture in Europe" and look at distribution of African Haplogroup E.
Genes dont lie my friend,they just explain why most of Shiptars are small and dark people who look like Arabs.
That gene is the the reason why Shiptars are a waste of air,with no achievements in anything.Go do a test on yourself if you have Haplogroup I,you're still a Serb,if you have haplogroup E,then,sorry,you're a Shiptar.
Thats the best way to check.
truditis 1 year ago
@truditis I already have tested i told you that mant times,,idiot serb,I am not serb,,go to a albanian from the hoti tribe and say he is serb long time ago..you think your smart but you are not,,why would the hoti tribe flee from slavs if they were slavs??It is part of melisia tribe,,,you are a fool,,so this means the whole of northern albanians are serb listen to yourself,you are really stupid,All myths serb all myths of what you think about yourself..It is nown of your migration to balkans,,
ktm066 1 year ago
@ktm066
We're Europeans you're muslim African gypsies,just look at our achievements and yours.How do you explain that we are so successful in everything,and you're so stupid and talentless without any achievements??
Please explain that to me!! hahahaha
truditis 1 year ago
@truditis Then explain why albanians have thraian,illyrain,pelasgian.estrucan in there language and you dont and the whole of balkans influenced each other,,if you were any of these people you would have been influenced by the ancient people of balkans,,
ktm066 1 year ago
@ktm066
Shiptars have only Turkish,Serbian,Latin and Greek words in their language.Thats what that "language" consists of.Told you already you're nothing more than African gypsies,thats so obvious.
You didnt explain to me why you have no achievements in anything while we have achievements in everything???No scientists,no sportsmen,no culture,no nothing...African blood,my friend...thats the reason.
truditis 1 year ago
@ktm066 YOU ARE RIGHT!the ancestors of romanians and albanians were neibours before slvs came in Europe!(Balcans)and yes we share a number of words!It is supossed that we are descendants of the pelasgians the first inhabitants of Balcans.
lagasa91 19 hours ago
@truditis Because of time constrains, the volunteer administrators who run the project normally don't engage in this kind of debate via our email service, which is mostly reserved for the E-M35 Project administration, but if you're serious about investigating the subject I recommend that you register a user account at our community forum where you will find the latest discussions and you can participate with your questions and comments.
ktm066 1 year ago
Now if you say albanians are serbians then you would share more dna of the ev-13 but you dont,,you share r1b,and the croation gene,,and by the way you need to studie more on dna,,
ktm066 1 year ago
Suntem inconjurati numai de lichele: bulgaroi cu ceafa groasa, grecotei cu nas subtire, rusnaci cu ciorapii nespalati si creierul inundat de alcool, si bozgorime imputita, ne-au napadit cu totii si isi aroga origini in lumea antica si isi dau cu parerea cine au fost tracii.
vincereee 1 year ago
Salut ! Ma refeream ca noi tracii am fost mai multe triburi, triburile si-au luat numele dupa zona sau in functie cu ce se ocupau : negot, pastorit, vanatoare. etc.....Herodot stia de peste 80 de triburi , ele se pare ca erau peste 200 de triburi.
1981Costea 1 year ago
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protokrator 1 year ago
@protokrator
• Nigocin
September 12, 2008
Herodot say that "thracians are the biggest race in the entire world,after indians".
All greek Gods were thracians and culture,traditions,religion and basic language of greek tribes was thracian.
Thracians are descendents from pelasgians who give civilisation to the entire world.
Romanians from today are descendents from thracian tribes "daci" and "getae","moesi" and "carpi".
Here you can see a video with our great ancient quen Tomyris:
1981Costea 1 year ago
@1981Costea
Mai uitati-va si la altii, lasati-ma pe mine !!!
Ex.: Nigocin
1981Costea 1 year ago
@protokrator
Si a spus-o unul de-al vostru :
HERODOT=Grecia
1981Costea 1 year ago
THRACE IS GREEK EARTH
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
Asa probabil si Deutschland = Dacia, asa probabil si Oltina = Latina si o tinem asa mult si bine.
"Patria noastra este limba
SPANIA, ITALIA, MOLDOVA, ROMANIA.............etc
1981Costea 1 year ago
Aici am gresit ca in loc de carpi am scris capi.
1981Costea 1 year ago
Aici am gresit ca in loc de carpi am scris capi Oricum ce scriu.....nu conteaza
1981Costea 1 year ago
Aici am gresit ca in loc de carpi am scris capi
1981Costea 1 year ago
ave traciiiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
boogieman03ful 1 year ago
Bulgarians who revendicate thracian origin, actually are wrong! The thracains have been romanizated, in the 6 century AD they were latin spokers, so they were proto-romananians
ZamolxisGebeleizis 1 year ago
@ZamolxisGebeleizis
Asta ne-a prostit URSS,
Si italienii, si spaniolii sunt tot TRACI
Pai englezii au fost sub romani 500 de ani si nu stiu cate cuvinte au latine, noi Tracii de la N de Dunare am fost sub dominatie vreo 165 de ani din ce-mi amintesc, 165 de ani de razboaie .
1981Costea 1 year ago
@1981Costea Si teritoriul care l-au cucerit a fost de 14 %
: )))))))))))
1981Costea 1 year ago
@1981Costea :)))) ba Napoleon Savescu fan :))
Spui numai tampenii. Cum sa incep sa contra-argumentez :))
Argumente ce pot fi aduse: -folcloristice, nume, lingvistice, traditionale, arheologice, antropologice, logice etc
ZamolxisGebeleizis 1 year ago
@ZamolxisGebeleiz
Bai" ZEULE" am avut numai 10 la istorie, dar asta nu inseamna sa fiu de acord cu toti prostii
1981Costea 1 year ago
@1981Costea GO TO HELL ROMANIAN
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
@unfukkkmee
La Dracu ?
Home...
Ooooo Yesss
1981Costea 1 year ago
@unfukkkmee
La Dracu ?
Home...
Ooooo Yesss
Gluma : Si acolo sunt acasa
1981Costea 1 year ago
@1981Costea VLACHS ARE GREEKS
THRACIANS ARE GREEKS
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
@unfukkkmee Wrong answer.
Most Thracian genes are inherited from the modern Bulgarians and Greeks come much later. Recall that the Greeks fought the Thracians in the Trojan War because both the Trojans and Phrygians and Thracians Thracians were not. The Greeks came to the Balkans at least 2000 years after they were found the first Thracian settlements.
protokrator 1 year ago
@unfukkkmee Recall that Bulgarian Plovdiv (Pulpudeva) and Stara Zagora (Beroe) and Perperikon and Edirne (Uskudama) are one of the oldest cities in Europe, has no analogue elsewhere in old and are from the pyramids in Egypt. Therefore, the Thracians were not Greeks!
protokrator 1 year ago
@protokrator THRACE IS GREEK
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
@unfukkkmee In your dreams may be!!!
protokrator 1 year ago
@protokrator SHUT UP turko-slav
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
@1981Costea
Ma grecii au venit pe la 1900 inainte de Hristos. Noi eram deja . Nu asta conteaza omule ca oricum o sa fim ca S.U.A. O sa ne corcim calumea ! O sa avem un singur guvern, o singura religie, un singur presedinte = U.E. Stai linistit ! Dormi linistit !
1981Costea 1 year ago
@unfukkkmee
Pana la urma suntem cu totii oameni si ar trebui sa punem umar la umar si sa colonizam si alte planete. Ne certam pe un petec de pamant cand gradina este asa de mare. Iti spune un TRAC asta.
Noapte buna !
1981Costea 1 year ago
@1981Costea
Imi cer scuze, nu pe tine te-am facut prost , dar fiecare are istoria lui. Eu nu sunt de acord cu ipoteza romanizarii tracilor si cu asta basta.
1981Costea 1 year ago
@1981Costea
Imi cer scuze, nu pe tine te-am facut prost , dar fiecare are istoria lui. Eu nu sunt de acord cu ipoteza romanizarii tracilor si cu asta basta. Prosti au fost profesorii pe care iai avut COMUNISTI
1981Costea 1 year ago
@1981Costea
Imi cer scuze, nu pe tine te-am facut prost , dar fiecare are istoria lui. Eu nu sunt de acord cu ipoteza romanizarii tracilor si cu asta basta. Prosti au fost profesorii pe care iai avut COMUNISTI
1981Costea 1 year ago
@1981Costea
Cainele latra ursu merge inainte.
1981Costea 1 year ago
@ZamolxisGebeleizis
Pe mine ma cheama Costea Bogdan, sunt din Constanta , nu am nume de Zeu , Spune-mi te rog numele tau dupa aceea mai vorbim.
1981Costea 1 year ago
@1981Costea
Sa nu mai zic ca erau din toate colturile imperiului Roman
Ei nu se inteleg intre ei, au mai multe dialecte ca noi si imi spui tu ca ne-a romanizat pe noi . Auzi, spun prostii. Ii si vad pe dacii liberi dand fuga sa invete "latina" haaaa......., si in timp record, eventual cu vreun african din armata imperiului Roman. Au stat ei tracii , se uitau cum construiesc podul peste Dunare si asteptau sa fie romanizati.
1981Costea 1 year ago
@ZamolxisGebeleizis you have nailed it on the head,you are 100% correct
ktm066 1 year ago
Thracia + Dacia = DRACI! LOL! Sometimes these words simply mean where someones from & doesn't designate race. If an American comes to Europe they simply say he's "an American" or "westerner", which doesn't give any clue to his race, culture or background. The same thing back then different ppl used various words to describe others & they were NEVER fixed & sometimes not even literal, just words of choice. This completely confuses ppl looking for history & turned many into fools & created lies.
asherasator 1 year ago